Funny thing is that Ma’ah and T’Lyn are basically Klingon and Vulcan versions of Boimler and Mariner respectively. Ma’ah was a bit of a brown-noser trying to suck up to his captain to gain a high position. However, due to his high sense of honor due to being Klingon he was willing to turn on him when he saw he was corrupt and not honorable. Plus he shows he has strategy and pragmatism over brute force. T’Lyn meanwhile is a “loose cannon” due to going against the norm of Vulcans and being a snarker to both her crewmates and her captain and a bit rebellious. I love both of these characters, which is why this is one of the best episodes of the season.
Is this foreshadowing? Will we see Mariner reassigned? Will we see Boimler take the Captain’s chair from Freeman? Will we see Tendi fully assimilated into the Cerritos crew? Will we see Rutherford freeze up during a red-alarm?
Completely agree (especially if it turns out the Vulcan commander was T'Lynn's father...which is what tdrewman suggested)! Great points all around, my friend! Thank you for watching!
One interpretation of the Vulcan captain is that he's NOT punishing T'Lynn. He's never stated that it was a punishment, she just assumed that. All he's said is that she'd be more suited to working on a human ship, which, yeah, she'd definitely fit in better. After all, it would be logical that she'd be able to accomplish more in an environment that promotes off the cuff solutions in intense situations.
There are Vulcans who are "less logical" than others. There are even Vulcans who embrace emotions as part of who they are. They're called the "v'tosh katur". They're considered a cultural minority on Vulcan, even to the point of being somewhat persecuted in the past. They made their first appearance in Star Trek: Enterprise.
So, the episode's title is Klingon for "Three Ships". 'wej' is pronounced almost like 'wedge' in English, but slightly lengthen the vowel and shorten the final consonant. T'lyn is voiced by Gabrielle Ruiz, who played Valencia in Crazy Ex-Girlfriend.
Fun fact, the character of T'Lyn was originated as a cosplay by Kathryn Lyn, who later wrote this episode as well as the SNW episode, "Those Old Scientists." Her cosplay was so convincing that Mike McMahon got her involved in LD's and added her character to canon. As for where we go from here, well we have s2e10, "First Contact," remaining to go and then.... I am making no comment about the future, esp for LD's, as everything moves so fast with only 10 episode seasons with only 20+ minute episodes, but this season finale is pretty epic and definitely has its surprises. Can't wait to see your reaction next Monday! Can you believe that you are halfway through the series to this point?! Wow! LLAP & Vulc'n'Roll, my friend! 🖖🤘
The origin of T'Lyn's character is fascinating! And 'no' I cannot believe that I'm halfway through. I am equally excited and saddened that I only have half of the series remaining. However, hopefully I'll be all caught up for the premiere of the new season :) As always thank you for being great, my friend! Peace and Long Life! Vulc 'n' roll!
when she talks about it on the Blu-ray her original character started as a 1/2 Vulcan 1/2 Klingon then she decided that full Vulcan would require less time and make up. Also explains why the character is more "aggressive" than a normal Vulcan.
Yaaaas! Such a fun episode, I can see why so many people love it so much. Great to see Mariner getting along with her mom and Boimler's growth being recognized by Ransom. When I first watched this episode I literally cheered when the Klingon lower decker challenged his captain, unknowingly saving the Cerritos' ass.
Shax's scenes are pretty sad when you think about them. He goes berserk at any mention of Bajor, apparently because of his trauma from fighting the Cardassian occupation. And later identifies with Klingons' desire to die in battle. And when he blew up in the season one finale, he was laughing. Shax has been through some shit.
Really great points. Makes you wonder if Shax feels like he was denied a true warrior's death. As far as noble sacrifices go, his was one of the greatest I've seen. Going to think about your comment for awhile, my friend. Thank you for watching!
Ah T`Lynn an intuitive 'rowdy' Vulcan who is now joining Starfleet. Loved her and especially her vulcan version of 'I don´t give a shit' Also fun to see a windbag like Ransom get his butt up and being a great character from time to time, even though he is the material for a Mariner nightmare or, even better, some Q induced 'if you didn´t then...' scenario where she finds herself in a room full of training gear and her "Oh why am I in Jack´s room?" Is answered by Q "It is yours...Commander!" And in the mirror she´s all buff with ridiculously styled hair. The Mariner who never rebelled, never spoke her mind and only cared for what others think of her. Screams of agony and diabolical laughter from Q
The real character is revealed during a crises or when one knows they can do anything and not be punished for it. Mariner is a rebel and acts lazy daily ,but is suddenly competent and alert during a crisis. Ransom may look and act textbook daily, but does covert missions on Romulus with his black ops buddies & Tendi "the Cleaner", stabbed Mariner to save her life (in his mind), despite knowing it was a guaranteed court marshal which he was preparing to admit and not cover up, etc. My guess is he was like Boimler during the Academy, but found refuge in the Gym (just like Mariner and her "leg day", lol) , when he was shunned ,because of the actions of his relative, cpt Ransom from VOY. Nepotism also has a dark side ! Ah, or maybe he was a rebel during the Academy, while Mariner was like Tendi, and he changed to not be kicked out after his relative's mess.
I love that little ship but they keep stacking the deck against her. I have a feeling she'll get her day to shine but for now, I will say this...I'm not sure a tougher ship sails the stars. The Cerritos can take a beating and still come back for more. Those are the ships I adore :) Thank you for watching, my friend!
It has yet to be proven, so no spoilers, but by running theory is that the captain of the Vulcan ship is T’lynn's father. The attitude that she gives to him is like Beckett giving attitude to her mother.
@@tdrewman I can easily see that. In any case, it is a disrespectful attitude for sure! I like this theory. Time will tell if it is legit or not, but I'm in for it! 🖖
This episode *easily* sails into the top three best in the whole show in my opinion. Everything about it is just about as close to perfect as it can be. If I had to pick a handful of episodes to show someone to convince them that Lower Decks is worth watching, this would definitely be one of them. I think you put it pretty well, I’m of the opinion that in a Star Trek show, the ships are as much characters as their crews are. To quote the opening of every TOS and TNG episode: “These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise.” And having an episode to really just focus in on the story of the ship as a whole, rather than the crew individually, is a solid decision.
This episode is wonderful! I've actually thought about this one more than any other. SO much given to us about a much wider cross-section of the sector. I love episodes/chapters that take the time to widen the focus beyond the protagonists. Thank you for watching, my friend!
9:54 Kind of funny that voice actress behind T'Lyn also voiced Ensign Castro, a member of Red Shirts group (she is the one who hanged out with Boimler, after group split apart).
We see some good side characters in this episode with T'lyn and the Klingon. Side note about T'lyn: the show's creator has said that she's a Vulcan version of Mariner. Like Mariner, she's demoted/transferred because of her (in Vulcan terms) reckless and insubordinate behaviour, and her use of solutions that are effective but against regulations. Unfortunately, she didn't have supportive friends aboard her Vulcan ship, like Mariner does on the Cerritos.
It's actually pronounced /ˈwɛdʒ ˈɖudʒ/. Unlike English, where the pronunciation is informed by the position within the word _and_ the syllable, the position of the stress in the word (to produce a produce, eh?), and sometimes sheer randomness (Where's your L, salmon, and your D, Wednesday? Where did the R come from, colonel?), Klingon has a very regular orthography - the same letter represents the same sound.
^This Fantastic explanation! I am hopeless when it comes to trying to figure out pronunciations. I realized this was likely Klingon but I was terrified to Google 'How do you pronounce wej Duj' for fear of having the episode spoiled :) This helps a ton! Appreciate the shared knowledge, my friend!
8:15 Nope. T'Lyn is just Vulcan version of Mariner. Very unorthodox and seemingly rebellious, but loyal to common goal of every Vulcan. She even has her version of "sarcastic Vulcan salute" that Mariner and Boimler using exclusively between each other.
Thank you...and thank you :) I hate when I get pronunciations wrong but I dared not Google 'How to pronounce wej Duj' because I was sure I'd have the episode spoiled :) Appreciate the assist, my friend!
Funny thing is that Ma’ah and T’Lyn are basically Klingon and Vulcan versions of Boimler and Mariner respectively.
Ma’ah was a bit of a brown-noser trying to suck up to his captain to gain a high position. However, due to his high sense of honor due to being Klingon he was willing to turn on him when he saw he was corrupt and not honorable. Plus he shows he has strategy and pragmatism over brute force.
T’Lyn meanwhile is a “loose cannon” due to going against the norm of Vulcans and being a snarker to both her crewmates and her captain and a bit rebellious.
I love both of these characters, which is why this is one of the best episodes of the season.
Is this foreshadowing?
Will we see Mariner reassigned?
Will we see Boimler take the Captain’s chair from Freeman?
Will we see Tendi fully assimilated into the Cerritos crew?
Will we see Rutherford freeze up during a red-alarm?
Completely agree (especially if it turns out the Vulcan commander was T'Lynn's father...which is what tdrewman suggested)!
Great points all around, my friend!
Thank you for watching!
In one episode, Ma'ah became one of my favorite Klingons. He's stands up for what he thinks is right - real honor.
He's progressive while also remaining deeply true to his routes.
1000% agree!
Thank you for watching, my friend!
Excellent point! Knows all the slaughters while still understanding that the Empire is benefitting from peace.
Great point, my friend!
He and Worf would be friends.
“Captain, I do not believe this punishment is warranted.”
“You’re outta control T’lynn! You’re off the ship! Turn in your commbadge and phaser!”
HaHa T'Lyn is getting too old for this sh-t :D
Thank you for the laugh and for watching, my friend!
And yes, they put a lower decks episode into a show called Lower Decks.
And they still shocked me :D
Still waiting for an episode called Upmost Decks, or something, all about the Admirals and Legates and such.
@@tyrant-den884 It could be an episode centred on Mariner's dad.
One interpretation of the Vulcan captain is that he's NOT punishing T'Lynn. He's never stated that it was a punishment, she just assumed that. All he's said is that she'd be more suited to working on a human ship, which, yeah, she'd definitely fit in better. After all, it would be logical that she'd be able to accomplish more in an environment that promotes off the cuff solutions in intense situations.
100% agree!
Thank you for watching, my friend!
There are Vulcans who are "less logical" than others. There are even Vulcans who embrace emotions as part of who they are. They're called the "v'tosh katur". They're considered a cultural minority on Vulcan, even to the point of being somewhat persecuted in the past. They made their first appearance in Star Trek: Enterprise.
YES! I remembered that there were Vulcans like that but I forgot the specifics.
As always thank you for sharing your knowledge, my friend!
I like it when a species isn't a monoculture. It makes them feel more real.
yeah and then one of them ends up mindraping T'Pol
So, the episode's title is Klingon for "Three Ships". 'wej' is pronounced almost like 'wedge' in English, but slightly lengthen the vowel and shorten the final consonant.
T'lyn is voiced by Gabrielle Ruiz, who played Valencia in Crazy Ex-Girlfriend.
Fun fact, the character of T'Lyn was originated as a cosplay by Kathryn Lyn, who later wrote this episode as well as the SNW episode, "Those Old Scientists." Her cosplay was so convincing that Mike McMahon got her involved in LD's and added her character to canon.
As for where we go from here, well we have s2e10, "First Contact," remaining to go and then....
I am making no comment about the future, esp for LD's, as everything moves so fast with only 10 episode seasons with only 20+ minute episodes, but this season finale is pretty epic and definitely has its surprises. Can't wait to see your reaction next Monday! Can you believe that you are halfway through the series to this point?! Wow!
LLAP & Vulc'n'Roll, my friend! 🖖🤘
The origin of T'Lyn's character is fascinating!
And 'no' I cannot believe that I'm halfway through. I am equally excited and saddened that I only have half of the series remaining. However, hopefully I'll be all caught up for the premiere of the new season :)
As always thank you for being great, my friend!
Peace and Long Life!
Vulc 'n' roll!
@@WarpReactor "fascinating." Nice, well played! 😉🖖
when she talks about it on the Blu-ray her original character started as a 1/2 Vulcan 1/2 Klingon then she decided that full Vulcan would require less time and make up. Also explains why the character is more "aggressive" than a normal Vulcan.
Yaaaas! Such a fun episode, I can see why so many people love it so much. Great to see Mariner getting along with her mom and Boimler's growth being recognized by Ransom. When I first watched this episode I literally cheered when the Klingon lower decker challenged his captain, unknowingly saving the Cerritos' ass.
Great moment! Coupled with the Vulcan ship warping between the Cerritos and the enemy ships...perfection!
Thank you for watching, my friend!
Shax's scenes are pretty sad when you think about them. He goes berserk at any mention of Bajor, apparently because of his trauma from fighting the Cardassian occupation. And later identifies with Klingons' desire to die in battle. And when he blew up in the season one finale, he was laughing. Shax has been through some shit.
Really great points.
Makes you wonder if Shax feels like he was denied a true warrior's death. As far as noble sacrifices go, his was one of the greatest I've seen.
Going to think about your comment for awhile, my friend.
Thank you for watching!
I have seen other people talk about Shax's evolution from trigger happy fight guy to shell shocked veteran.
Ah T`Lynn an intuitive 'rowdy' Vulcan who is now joining Starfleet. Loved her and especially her vulcan version of 'I don´t give a shit'
Also fun to see a windbag like Ransom get his butt up and being a great character from time to time, even though he is the material for a Mariner nightmare or, even better, some Q induced 'if you didn´t then...' scenario where she finds herself in a room full of training gear and her "Oh why am I in Jack´s room?" Is answered by Q "It is yours...Commander!" And in the mirror she´s all buff with ridiculously styled hair. The Mariner who never rebelled, never spoke her mind and only cared for what others think of her.
Screams of agony and diabolical laughter from Q
The real character is revealed during a crises or when one knows they can do anything and not be punished for it. Mariner is a rebel and acts lazy daily ,but is suddenly competent and alert during a crisis. Ransom may look and act textbook daily, but does covert missions on Romulus with his black ops buddies & Tendi "the Cleaner", stabbed Mariner to save her life (in his mind), despite knowing it was a guaranteed court marshal which he was preparing to admit and not cover up, etc. My guess is he was like Boimler during the Academy, but found refuge in the Gym (just like Mariner and her "leg day", lol) , when he was shunned ,because of the actions of his relative, cpt Ransom from VOY. Nepotism also has a dark side ! Ah, or maybe he was a rebel during the Academy, while Mariner was like Tendi, and he changed to not be kicked out after his relative's mess.
HaHa Love it!
And I agree about T'Lynn; looking forward to seeing where she pops up next :)
Thank you for watching, my friend!
@@WarpReactor I felt that the teams needs a Vulcan and I like her vulcan sass a lot. She´d fit right in with our lower deckers.
Something that happend again in this episode: The Cerritos wasn't able to win a fight.
I love that little ship but they keep stacking the deck against her. I have a feeling she'll get her day to shine but for now, I will say this...I'm not sure a tougher ship sails the stars.
The Cerritos can take a beating and still come back for more. Those are the ships I adore :)
Thank you for watching, my friend!
She ain’t no warship, cap’n, she’s a tug.
It has yet to be proven, so no spoilers, but by running theory is that the captain of the Vulcan ship is T’lynn's father. The attitude that she gives to him is like Beckett giving attitude to her mother.
Ooooo that's an awesome theory and would be a great parallel!
I'll be thinking about that one :)
Thank you for watching, my friend!
Fan theory, but it does make some sense. 👍🏼🖖
The way she said live long and prosper with the attitude Vulcan salute 🖖. Felt more like thanks Dad for getting me transferred off the ship.
@@tdrewman I can easily see that. In any case, it is a disrespectful attitude for sure! I like this theory. Time will tell if it is legit or not, but I'm in for it! 🖖
This episode *easily* sails into the top three best in the whole show in my opinion. Everything about it is just about as close to perfect as it can be. If I had to pick a handful of episodes to show someone to convince them that Lower Decks is worth watching, this would definitely be one of them.
I think you put it pretty well, I’m of the opinion that in a Star Trek show, the ships are as much characters as their crews are. To quote the opening of every TOS and TNG episode: “These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise.” And having an episode to really just focus in on the story of the ship as a whole, rather than the crew individually, is a solid decision.
This episode is wonderful!
I've actually thought about this one more than any other. SO much given to us about a much wider cross-section of the sector. I love episodes/chapters that take the time to widen the focus beyond the protagonists.
Thank you for watching, my friend!
9:54
Kind of funny that voice actress behind T'Lyn also voiced Ensign Castro, a member of Red Shirts group (she is the one who hanged out with Boimler, after group split apart).
I love how the lower decks of the Vulcan and the Klingons were the ones to save the day! That was fun. I love Random, he's always holding Brad up.
Of course T'ana is climbing for fun. She is a true cat, through and through.
Most definitely of the 'grumpy' variety :D
Thank you for watching, my friend!
I'm surprised she hasn't yet knocked anything off a table just because.
We see some good side characters in this episode with T'lyn and the Klingon. Side note about T'lyn: the show's creator has said that she's a Vulcan version of Mariner. Like Mariner, she's demoted/transferred because of her (in Vulcan terms) reckless and insubordinate behaviour, and her use of solutions that are effective but against regulations. Unfortunately, she didn't have supportive friends aboard her Vulcan ship, like Mariner does on the Cerritos.
The borg lower decks killed me, even worse then Pakled "red alarm"
"Let's get T'Lyn on the Cerritos."
The best episode of Star Trek ever made. This is my number one.
It's great! An absolute ton of story 'seeding' as well!
Thank you so much for watching, my friend!
7:22
Ma'ah is a Klingon version of Boimler and you will not change my mind.
100% agree!
Thank you for watching, my friend!
It's actually pronounced /ˈwɛdʒ ˈɖudʒ/. Unlike English, where the pronunciation is informed by the position within the word _and_ the syllable, the position of the stress in the word (to produce a produce, eh?), and sometimes sheer randomness (Where's your L, salmon, and your D, Wednesday? Where did the R come from, colonel?), Klingon has a very regular orthography - the same letter represents the same sound.
^This
Fantastic explanation!
I am hopeless when it comes to trying to figure out pronunciations. I realized this was likely Klingon but I was terrified to Google 'How do you pronounce wej Duj' for fear of having the episode spoiled :)
This helps a ton!
Appreciate the shared knowledge, my friend!
How quirky is my Stat Trek knowledge?? Immediately recognized wej Duj as Klingon - but had to look up a translation - Three Ships.
HaHa!
Thank you for watching, buddy!
wej Duj is Klingon for 'Three ships'
8:15
Nope. T'Lyn is just Vulcan version of Mariner. Very unorthodox and seemingly rebellious, but loyal to common goal of every Vulcan. She even has her version of "sarcastic Vulcan salute" that Mariner and Boimler using exclusively between each other.
Ok eveyone, grab your Mai Tais and get ready for some punitive spirituality!
1 minute 54 seconds in and I SO want to tell you if you're right or wrong...but I've learned my lesson about spoilers.
You do not like Pakleds. You are smart.
They evolved to survive their own stupidity.
Clearly thise three have never been to Modesto.
HaHa Agreed!
If they had, they would have clearly seen that Modesto is indeed the moon of San Fran :D
Thank you for watching, my friend!
Finally!!!
You're close, it's pronounced like "wage dooj"
I won't tell you which of your predictions are right or wrong 😉
Thank you...and thank you :)
I hate when I get pronunciations wrong but I dared not Google 'How to pronounce wej Duj' because I was sure I'd have the episode spoiled :)
Appreciate the assist, my friend!
This guy's a season behind right?
Yup! Through the first two episodes of Season 3 specifically.
red alarm. red alarm. 🤷