Decoding The Tejas-Astra Firing! How Much Improved Is Tejas Compared To The Baseline Aircraft?
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2024
- Indigenously developed Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas on Wednesday successfully test-fired an indigenously developed ASTRA beyond visual range (BVR) air-to-air missile off the coast of Goa.
According to defence ministry officials, the missile release was successfully carried out from the aircraft at an altitude of about 20,000 feet and all the objectives of the test were achieved with a perfect launch.
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The MK-2 should be produced & inducted into our IAF asap. ❤️🇮🇳☝️
2028 would be earliest possible
2058 it will be possible with lazy Indian government employees
@@Avi-420 naah china is going down hard..their economy is atleast half of what they project..their biggest real estate companies and banks are going broke. Thats why to divert attention of citizens they are doing war posturing..situation is far worse than they tell ..droughts and now floods
As if the Tejas was in the MK1A stage right back in 2014 😂. MK2 is a completely redesigned larger aircraft with much more capabilities It takes much more time to upgrade to that level.
@@ravinunna1168DRDO is very slow
Muthana aur mavalankar sir golden salute to both our brave air warrior.
Shiva this is the one of the best defence program that we listen.
83 plus 100 more with beyond visual range Astra missile wow we can say"Shiv Shakti"thank you for this wonderful conversation
I remember every other day in the past there were news of our aircrafts crashing and our brave Airforce warriors attaining Veergati. It's really gladdening that we are serious about our ariel superiority and the lives of our Jawans.
Composite airframe causing low radar cross section, lighter weight and low maintenance, electronic warfare, in flight refueling, bvr missiles, all axis fly by wire control system, highly reliable and efficient ge f404 engine. All these make it amongst the best aircrafts in small category.
The biggest advantage of Tejas for India is the development of local manufacturing capabilities in the industry and the generation of skilled manpower and such jobs.
It’s apt that IAF has realized the value and performance statistics of the Tejas squadrons and started putting faith in the indigenous product
The govt of Mr. Modi has played active role in ironing out the differences between the armed forces and DRDO scientists. It’s important to mention that previous rm late mr. Parrikar was instrumental in getting the IAF to accept the Tejas by promising incremental improvements with the mk1a variant. Otherwise the previous ten years of congress regime were disastrous for every military procurement and had virtually killed the Tejas program
Best thing about the Tejas is that unlike foreign aircraft where there is little further improvements on the plane once it's sold (except for exorbitantly priced 💰 upgrade packages), the Tejas is being constantly improved and evolved ⚙️.
The recent addition of an EW pod to give these planes the capability of F-18 Growlers is one more addition to its layer of armor. Likewise the FLIR 🌃 and optical 👁️ tracking nose 🐽 mounted piece.
Every improvement in Tejas adds to AMCA where the technologies and concepts are proven out.
congress was curse for India in defense sector.
@@AmitChaudhary-qx5mc immediately stop drinking cow urine
thats a nice analysis!@@mth469
well the new additional changes r already added in the mk1 or it would come with mk1a variant??
SHIV AROOR i am a fan of you. I like your way of reporting. GOD bless U.
Yes correct, critical views also should be given consideration, end of the day planes should be battle ready
Like Chief Test Pilots also mentioned the order could be with a necessary clause of improvements on various areas which is necessary in every 40th fighter plane so that the aircrafts in the same platforms keep improving in possible ways.
Lovely message. Very encouraging. Same officials but now delivering phenomenal output! How? High level of motivation to them by a strong leadership and highly energetic team of Patriots. Jai Bharat Mata Ki
Great program ! Salute to both our golden pilots !
Love this coverage !
The content. The discoveries!
Keep up this cry.....
Hey guys,hope you're all are fine.You're program was great and it was excited how Indian Air Force performing and Tejas perform.Hope more fighter plane Indian govt buy
It's a nice show. Want to see more of such technological and experienced pilots/ engineers
40 aircraft in just 40 years hal slow moving tortoise
Awesome insight by the pilots!!
increase tejas production speed and capacity.. Make it atleast 1 squadron per year.. And prepare for another factory which can increase production capacity to 28per year.. That will take care of china-pak combined airforce.
Excellent reporting.
Shiv coined or promoted the term Late Combat Aircraft, he was one of the loudest naysayers of this project, denouncing ADA and HAL every step of the way from 'Livefist'
Tejas may not be the best fighter out there. But this is the first step to get there. The income from deploying these fighters and experience from operating full squadrons of them will allow for gradual, but solid improvements well into the next generation and beyond. Finally, there's light at the end of the tunnel.
Great video Shiv, the gyaan give by the two Commodores is fantastic. But please lose the background music in the news report, most of the time I was expecting either Tiger or Pathaan to enter the frame and save Tejas. Very jarring. Not adding any, any value to the information in the report.
Now, that's new
JAI BHARATH ASTRA
Air Commodore Muthana wants a twin engine LCA as MK2. ORCA, the air force version of TEDBF is the one that will fit that bill. But Air force does not want to give a single penny for prototype building and/or testing the air force version of TEDBF.
"INDIA TODAY" please mention your 'BATTLE CRY' episodes individually in to a series. And please mention it as BATTLE CRY because it is not showing up in UA-cam searches.
21:34 Is this Air Commodore well-informed? On this forum, he is clearly discrediting our engineers and scientists who surely know the key mechanics of a fighter craft like the thrust to weight ratio. Surely, they must have shortlisted the GE F-414 in a certain configuration which gives them the required capability.
CMDE Jaideep Maolankar's expression of views were very impressive and interesting......
HAL must have R&D to improve with AI soft ware where one can fly without pilots. E.g . One plane in sky with four pilots who are redirecting 3 planes on AI based planes leading the plane with 4 pilots .
Mk2 should be on more numbers, around 20 squadrons.
After reading some comments and responses , i see there are two sides of opinion. Here are my points of view
The Tejas was designed in the 80 or 90, and it wasn't taking the first test flight. Many of the designs are outdated.
True is f35 has some chinese parts , but is not critical. But the tejas engine, radar flight control, and most of the critical parts are from foreign countries. Buyers well beware of it.
But most importantly, it is the price, it costs almost as same as the f35.
Make 1000 home grown aircraft. Don't buy from outside .. by individual technology if necessary
Homegrown fighter jet don't scare anyone, we don't care about chinese j20 because they are not battle proven on the other hands jets like rafale, f15, f18, f35etc. Makes enemies shit their pants. Even pakistan defense minister said india is trying to disbalance power in the region by buying rafale.
140 global south countries should be focus.
Hope our govt understand and take actions.
Engine has been the Waterloo for LCA 20 YEARS AGO AND CONTINUES INDEFINITELY. IS IT NOT BETTER TO HAVE TWO OR THREE OPTIONS FOR SUCCESS OF FUTURE SERIES? WE CAN NOT FORGET THAT Marut program failed for lack of engine and about 100 aircraft were abandoned as they were 'flying coffins?'
Correct.
I agree.
Mk2 should have been a two engine jet. Its foolish to make it single.
Su-30 mki, Mig-29UPG, Mig-29K are already with Astra-MK1
only Su-30MKI has Astra. not Mig29, yet.
@@rohitb5834 I'm 100% sure, I have the information from insider...
India Today has improved dramatically -- Better, younger, fairer journalists who speak better English and are more intelligible! What a great progress in just a few years. What happened to those older overweight gentlemen who often made fool of themselves by putting down their country? Gone for good?
Yes. India started rising in 1980s onwards when our indigenous weapons programmes were launched and successfully delivered and space programme saw SLV ,ASLV ,PSLV ,GSLVs and launch of dozens of satellites .Nobody belittled India .
@@prakat1082 I was talking about the media channel "India Today" and their journalists. Thanks for you comment.
What engine it will fly though
It's insulting that great India the oldest civilization still relying on foreign parts for engine, control system and radar.
So long as tejas continues as a single engine fighter jet, neither IAF nor any foreign air forces will be much keen about it. And as far as light combat aircrafts are concerned, there are better options in the international markets. Take a note of the US air force, or the Russian air force, neither of them have a single engine jet fighter in their squads. Soon, with the advent of 6th gen fighter air craft, the scenario will change even more drastically. Use of High Altitude Long Endurance armed drones anyway already adds a new dimension to use of aerial platform for defence as well as attack. Therefore, Tejas MKII may make only limted sense. India should pay greater attention to increasing the fleet size of Sukhoi 30s and Rafales. India is a laggard as far as developing and manufacturing capacity of capable armed drones are concerned. The need to address this is more crucial than getting emotional about Tejas MKII, especially since India has not yet been able to negotiate a deal for GE f414 engines and it's own Kaveri engine is years away from successful development.
Will the existing Mark 1 version be upgraded to Mark 1A over time?
yes
order 600 Tejas over next 15 years.... this will ensuring R&D and updated Airforce....
Your video would be so much more powerful without the over the top music. Less hype and more facts please. If you are taking about Astra being integrated with other fighters tell us more why. What is the range of the BVR, how it compares w best of breed from China, western missiles, costs .. best wishes
You have wasted lots of time at the beginning of the video on unnecessary repeating and at the end you didn't gave the experts enough time to talk.
Good points raised by both test pilots. India is still way behind and slow; why have Mark 2 when a stealth AMCA is needed. And why do we always build small; be it single engine or smaller tonnage of aircraft carrier. Another important aspect is design and I don’t think Indian aerospace engineers are creative or innovative but get inspiration from French and US designs of the past. No wonder Tejas looks like an obsolete 1970’s design. HAL needs to hire creative and innovative designers who will need work with other engineers to come up with modern and optimal stealth design rather than getting inspired by copying the F-22 or F-35 designs like the Chinese
To come up with original designs, one has to invest heavily in basic R & D in aerospace. NASA spends billions in basic R & D in aerospace, everything from structures to advanced air fighting technologies are researched and then passed on to private firms that use them to develop products.
We are yet not that rich to spend money like US. The only way is to copy the designs.
Remember that the LCA as it exists is way better than Mig-21 that it is replacing.
@@Kevindecosta no doubt India can never match the behemoth American military industrial capacity or the innovation coming from NASA or DARPA, but the most obvious weakness or lack of focus amongst governmental organizations like DRDO, HAL, ADA etc is in 'hardware design'. May be selection process of engineers, technical staff etc is the same old traditional method with with focus on just academic qualification or degree. With little emphasis on creativity or capacity to think out of the box; not just the regular task of problem solving in other areas of avionics, software, engine, weapons suite etc. No wonder then, they resort to copying past or prevailing designs from France, US etc. I must emphasize, that by futuristic design I don't mean just aesthetics but efficient hardware for improved performance and better stealth characteristics. I doubt governmental organizations will change their ways for few more decades and the only hope is private enterprise who can the focus on hardware design or product engineering along with other aspects engineering if India wants to make great fighters.
@@okee7 "efficient hardware for improved performance and better stealth characteristics" what you put in those words that is a $10 billion per year basic R & D stretched over last 70 years.
We have scientists in DRDO who get promoted no matter what their contributions are to the organization or India. Dumb idiots who make it their life aim to screw the life out of their juniors if they do not put their dumb ass name on research papers published by the juniors.
you seem naive, but that's not a problem, i will explain. mk2 will be a medium weight fighter, sort of in the same class as rafale (although more comparable to gripen since single engine and all). these are the jets that will eventually replace tejas mk1, with that being reduced to a trainer aircraft (possibly). 5th gen jets have huge operating and maintenance costs associated with them and they wont see much action in their lifetime. they will work mainly as a deterrent. the actual workhorses will be the medium-heavy weight fighters (rafale, su30, f15 etc). so it doesnt make sense to scrap all jets to replace them with 5th gen ones. we need something to actually work and fight and not sit around in the hangar. hopefully hal and iaf have planned a dual engine variant of mk2, so that it can compete with rafale.
now about design and inspiration, copying will definitely be needed, we are way behind since we started very late. and if we now build and research everything from scratch it will take a long time and a lot of money, in short it will be impractical. tejas looks fine, the design isnt outdated by any means, it fits right in with many modern jets operating today. theres only so much you can do in terms of creativity without messing up the aircraft's aerodynamic performance, which is why many modern 5th gen fighter programs have designs which look similar to f22, since that is a design US came up with after spending tons of money in R&D, and it's the most optimal and practical design for jets of this category.
@@rayjynx dude don’t call anyone naive without understanding the whole gamut of aviation! The US has a fighter aircraft for every purpose. Does India have a bomber or even close air support aircraft; like a B52 or B1 Lancer or a B2 along with an AC-10 Thunderbolt which is so needed for India. Your talk is so theoretical unlike real wartime experiences! Get some real life military education without conceptual theory
at least it will take about 10 years
Make own engines to fully self reliant.
What is IAF compulsion for ordering in peacemeal manner. Can we have blocks like F16 as improvements take place.
As new capability is added to the aircraft and the geo political, budgetary and other situations evolves, the IAF recalculates it's options.
Tejas looks to be an ecosystem, not just an aircraft. The nucleus around which military aerospace R&D is evolving. Interesting times.
Because we don't try takeover countries that are on the opposite side of the globe, and we also don't have a trillion dollar military budget
India should spend more money on r&d
Why so much of noise during reporting?
Astra is French missile...also deployed on Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier for air defense.
That one the french ship, is different than this one. They only bear the same name. The indian missile has been in development for nearly a decade by DRDO in collab with HAL and Indian Airforce.
You are wrong. The one you are talking about is Aster ( meaning star ) which is surface to air missile.
Astra ( meaning weapon in Sanskrit) is a BVR air to air missile fully indigenously developed and has nothing to do with Aster.
Pl look up
@@sambuddhahazrachaudhuri119
I stand corrected.
@@julwiezdeghorz5089 you cant stand corrected, you wrote astra instead of aster.
Where is Unnikrishnan
What is the range of BVR missiles in Pakistani air force. And How many of their fighters can carry any of those BVR missiles?
pakistanis have american Aim 120 amraams on their f16s, the c5 variant, whose range and overall performance characteristics are somewhat comparable to astra mk1. mk1 probably fairs better in some aspects, but dont quote me on that. for the jf17s they use chinese bvraams but i dont know much about them
Track record of DRDO is pathetic. Astra MK2 is required to counter AIM-120C5 on F16.
Our Interviewers speak much more that those to be interviewed. Not adding any value. If nothing else they would repeat what the Test Pilots just said. Please grow up Mr Aroor please motivate the experts to share their perspective- and not try maximise your own screen time. This is a sincere input, not a flippant one. And no desire to run you down, but improving our content
Very slow to develop snail technology, The Korean FA50 are younger than Tejas but more jets are built and sell to different countries in short numbers of year's.
Sir, 24 tejas pee year ! We are hearing this from past three years atleast! Where are the fighters !! It's high time we are realistic!
i have one question.............tejas main core engine developed by who ? Any other country or us ?
USA
Then how can we say this is indigenous product developed by us ???.....core engine is very important and its desgined by USA @@Viruhemanth
@@MrNanimooneven China can't produce it's fighter engine. They import Russian engine for their advanced fighters. Fighter engine and heavy rocket are state of art technology no one will share to anyone. Those technology will be shared when their time going to obsolete whit in few decades.
Modi ji hai toh mumkin hai
The IAF has made no such signal. The Govt has made the signal for the IAF. Fait accompli.
LCA Tejas Should have been 1500-2000 combat range 010 ton payload mac 3 power Digital tejas
😅
It's a light combat aircraft , what u just described is heavy weight fighter , ever su has less payload
LCA V2 and Astra will be "indigenously" built in India, its a matter of pride for sure. Man, every piece of reporting has to be '80's "Mahabharat TV series" style? All that music, repeating the same thing over and over and not getting to the point !!
Total number of Tejas Mk1A: 173 and not 183 dear Shiv....
183 is correct
Hate to be that guy but manned fighter planes are passé now that drones are replacing it
Can Tejas mk2,be a 5G gen.?
no, 4.5th gen or 4++ gen whichever u call it.
Hindi Mai batawo sir , tabhi fayda milega mehnat ka ,
The missile leaves the aircraft without first being separated from it! Don't do this!!
Until and unless India doesn't master aero engines , its not truly indigenous.
Talks with France should be speed up, for aero engine development , even if it means very high amount to pay.
Paying foreign countries will not move the needle of local engine development forward.
If anything, it might move it backwards and there is then less money available for local R&D.
Modi hai toh mumkin hai. All thanks to BJP & Modiji who are have worked day & night for almost 10 years to ensure the nation is moving ahead in the proper direction of progress & development
No efforts for indigenous engine. Reliability of Astra is under DC doubt as compared to Meteor missile.
what they will do with these less capable fighter jets?? Tejas mk1 is not that technologically advanced
Back ground music makes annoying!!!
Certain other countries have expressed interest in the missile.
E.g Brazil with its Gripen.
BUT it should only be sold along with an order of Tejas. Having the aircraft and the weapons package built exclusivey for the aircraft is a huge selling point of thr Tejas.
If not, start charging European prices for the Astra missiles.
I'd be surprised if anyone agrees for such a deal
@@sidharthcs2110
why not?
@@mth469
Why would they buy a jet that they don't need for acquiring a missile?
That "expressed interest" won't be there anymore.
how to shoot yourself in the foot 101
@@sidharthcs2110
May as well why they buy a jet which cannot fire missiles they want.
The jet is 50% and its weapons package and integration the other 50%.
Sab details bata hi do china ko. 🙏🇮🇳🤦😡
Retire all the flying coffins fleet , each one of them
First we need to change rajnath singh as defense minister, he is a old class uneducated politician, what does he know about technology and jet engines, we need to give defense to Ashwini vaishnav
Ask the same questions to our DM he would present you a blank face and stiff head. While our Armed forces prove to be the best around the world any success in a war would depend largely on the political head of Defence. As compared to previous DM Parrikar the present DM appears to be too dumb headed to be occupying the critical ministry.
Thank you modiji
Too slow
In the first 3:30 mins, "an Indian fighter firing an Indian missile" has been repeated 3-4 times. I suppose it will be repeated about 20 more times in the 24 min. program. All with continuous thundering music. Such a juvenile, pathetic, nothing-substantive-or-intellectual-or-insightful-to-say-so-just-rely-on-bombastic-words-and-music program presented by a loud-mouthed, silly, laughable presenter. These types of things give India a bad name, makes it a laughing stock of the world and nullifies all the good done by substantive accomplishments of quality institutions (of which India has very few, btw) like ISRO.
The number of countries that produce their own fighter planes and a2a missiles for those planes you can count on your fingers and still have fingers left over.
Developing a modern fighter and integrated weapons package is more complex than landing on the moon.
This of course includes the engine development which has so far proven hard.
@@mth469 Yes, developing a reliable and fuel efficient jet engine is clearly much more challenging than developing a rocket engine that India has mastered. Indians have the brains to do it. DRDO should hire top notch people in engine development area such as tribology, metallurgy, CFD, combustion, etc. to work on Kavery development. The team should consist of young people with PhDs done under top experts in the field. Then give them enough freedom and resources to work on the project. It is possible in Modi era. I hope they are doing it.
@@mth469 I don't think you got the import of my comment. It was not about the Tejas and how much brain power is required to develop fighter planes. It is about the presentation of one aspect (mentioned in my comment) over and over with thundering music, and possibly stretching that to a 24 minute program.
@@shantanudutt8844
Yes i agree, they could have done a much better job rather than repeating the same thing over and over.
Hopefully they will learn and get better at presenting information.
Congress screwed up the Marut fighter jet. Thank Gods BJP running the country today
Lack of focus amoung DRDO staff and it should be run by scientists, not by babus.
This is lousy design plane. It's outdated delta wing like mirage 2000 😂
LCA Tejas was promised at a cost of about 25 million 'USD per aircraft. the recent 108 order that has been placed is at nearly 70 million USD or 550 Cr per aircraft. cost overrun is crazy. also the 3rd production line of Tejas is still "coming soon". the current production rate is about 15 aircraft per year, which is minuscule compared to the 250 aircraft that IAF needs right now. at the current rate it will take 15-20 years to fill the IAF's requirement.
tejas' engine is American, radar is Israeli, avionics are from various countries, helmet display is imported. bottomline the key components are not indigenous. to call Tejas an indigenous aircraft is like calling Toyota and Indian car. it simply isn't. end of the day Tejas has been a flop. in contrast the missile programs like Agni / Prithvi, Brahmos, astra etc have been far more successful. 2 defence programs of India which have drained tax money and delivered little to none are Tejas and Arjun. both should be scraped and should be handed over to the private sector. private companies will deliver quality and quantity and competitive prices as opposed to the government owned PSUs.
Listen Mr "intellect", i will only explain once -
25 mil$ per fighter? What is this? Some footpath toy fighter? is it a joke?
The cost of Tejas mk1A as of 2021 is 42 mil$ fly away. This is the lowest price among its competitors. Its nearest competitors like Gripen C costs 60mil$ or JF17 Block III costs around 45mil$. Larger twin engine fighters like Rafale FR3 cost 110mil$+.
Production capacity is directly proportionate to the orders placed. From 2024 it will be 16 a year with 83 Tejas mk1A on order. It will be taken over 25+ per year if additional 97 Tejas mk1A orders are placed.
Is Toyota designed by India ? No? Then its not an Indian car. A complex fighter like Tejas is designed by India. Hence its Indian. Understand the meaning of the term.
Missiles like Agni/Prithvi were developed more efficiently, because there are no foreign alternatives to that. Nor are there foreign companies trying to sabotage the program. Tejas faced multiple sabotage attempts from European and Russian firms, while Arjun faced sabotage from Russian T90s makers. They didn wanna lose their biggest export market. An advanced fighter like Tejas should have had an order of 100+ before 2010 itself. This would have ensured smooth and high rate production starting from 2011. Never the less, we are a little late, but in the party now anyway.
@@rohitb5834 so many falsehoods and exaggerations in your statement. and you resort to name calling. typical strategy of a person who has lost the debate.
the missile program was heavily sanctioned by the west. in 80s and 90s india could not even import the supercomputers that were necessary to perform the design and calculations because this technology was classified as dual use by the West back then. india did not have the rocket engines either. and post soviet collapse the West pressured Russia ro not provide cryogenic tech to India. despite all those hardships and hurdles the missile programs succeeded.
in contrast tejas and arjun which were initiatives started at a similar time have delivered little to none.
compare agni and prithvi which are fully tested, trained, deployed and further upgraded routinely, vs either of the flop projects - tejas and arjun. which projects faced hurdles? which projects consumed the most tax money? which projects have delivered?
look at it unemotionally. don't be a blind tejas fanboy.
further as of today drones are the way to go because they are cheaper and dispensable as compared to manned fighters. and given long range missiles you can now launch attacks from much bigger bombers from far away regardless of manueverability or radar foot print. by the time tejas becomes available it will be a waste and superceded. bottomline, tejas is a total waste.
@@marutanray lol you completely defected from the topic.
I will say it one last time - There were no alternatives to missiles like Agni/Prithvi. Just like you said in fact, India had to develop and induct them and improve them overtime and now we have a matured and one of the best IRBMs/ICBMs in the world.
Tejas on the other hand was another fine war machine which was ready for induction in 2011. The IAF/Govt. babus in the MOD instead kept delaying it so that they can fill their pockets with bribes that come along with foreign fighters. Never the less, there was light at the end of the tunnel and now with the large Tejas orders it will be the backbone of the IAF for decades to come.
Arjun, another fine machine was ready by 2005. The Ruskies saw it as a threat and paid huge bribes to limit Arjun induction and continue T90s supply. After DRDO's repeated attempts, finally Arjun was pitched against the T90s in a trial in 2010. Arjun thrashed the T90s in every parameter.
However instead of ordering more Arjuns, the army said they liked it and wanted to work on the Arjun mk1A, meanwhile ordering more T90s. Now another order of 118 Arjun mk1As are placed, taking the total order to 242.
Also, i just read your last line just now, and realized u have no idea about Aeriel warfare. Have a good day.
HAL like all government organizations are one big caste reservation empires. Tejas has been in development for 30 years? Is this not crazy.
Lol so , these psu also designed all the submarines and missile , nukes , air defence ,so all the success is because of SC st why ascribe only failure to them
Imported radar
Imported engine
Imported ejection seat
God knows what more
Exhorbitent time lapses
Nothing to be proud of
Every aircraft has imported parts from other countries. No one makes everything
@@axel3895The Western Alliance block including NATO sing from the same hymn sheet.
If they sanction any BRICS members your Military wears for replacements, upgrades goes down the pan..
Look at Russia.
Drones are the need of the hour.
Why can't we reverse engineer weapons like iran or china 😅
When you hire HAL people on contract, these things are bound to happen. Slow production rate. Poor production quality. Either privatise the production completely or pay lucrative salary to HAL production engineers, then only you can expect this to be a success.
Let alone India's long-standing tradition. of Sloth and deep history of Cultural Stupid cheapness" this poor mans copy of a French 1970's fighter jet is the Laughingstock of the world. 40 Years in the making .. and nobody wants it..