I loved the Air Zoom Victory for the 800m. Anything longer than that though I would switch shoes. If you mainly run the 800m though I would highly recommend them. When I had about 300m's left I would just go all out and the spikes would help keep me at my top speed longer than I would otherwise. It was still painful they just helped me force more pain out of myself. Once race I started blacking out with about 150m's left, but the spikes kept me maintaining the same pace.
@@robinbauer1975 Yeah I've seen kids wear them for the 2 mile during high school and I can only imagine the calf pain. Personally I think you could get away with wearing them in any race 3k and below, but wearing them for a 10k is crazy.
@@diizzya1343well I have run a 3000m in them and if felt awesome while the race. And then three days after the race I had extreme calf pain and I run 100km per week and then 140km in base training and then three to 6 weeks in training camp 150-179km per week still my calf felt really bad after the race
Literally exact same thoughts about air zoom victory. Good for start of race, but when legs tired it is extremely hard to continue running fast in them as on toes, compared to dragonfly.
Dragonfly is just OP to me, the fact that you can use them anywhere between an 800 to a 10K, for someone who does 800-3200 during track season and then also does xc theyre awesome
I've only got the Nike ones as don't believe any of the others are available in my size (UK 13). I think there is also a factor of ability here. When I did some 400m reps the Air Zoom Victory I thought was faster but, as you imply, it really throws you forward and as soon as get tired just feels unnatural. So even for an 800 I prefer the Dragonfly. As a 55 year old the Dragonfly also has actually allowed me to race long track races in spikes full stop as "technically" nothing else is really legal anyway. I even did a 10000 the other day and could run fine the day after. Would not have said that about the spikes I wore about 20 years ago for the same event but at least it was over quicker :) I wish could roll back the years and try these spikes when I did my main 800/1500 PBs 30 years ago. If you look at the times done now to then the middle distances aren't that different - there just seems more men that say can run around 3:30 or women 4:00 these days but I might argue the 800 has stagnated in recent years and likes of Coe & Cruz look even better now than they did then. Kind of similar at 5000 & 10000 - just more depth and the times especially in the men barely better than Bekele did 20 years ago so amazing he is still going.
Yep super spikes are a weird one because some aren’t that super. And really I’m unsure where the benefit lies in terms of saving the legs for reducing injury risk and improving recovery or actually directly taking seconds off on race day
@@Trackstaa_ I guess we need to redefine the word "super" in shoes both on the road & track. Charging a lot for a shoe and/or making them almost impossible to buy isn't necessarily "super" for performance and probably why majority of us opt for the Vaporfly or Dragonfly as a matter of choice for racing and then it is largely back now down to ability as ever. In my track 10000 race at "grass roots" masters level everybody bar one wearing spikes were in Dragonflys.
I switched over to Maxflys as a replacement to the zoom victory for the 600-800m. It was way more stable than the victories, depending on form Maxflys and dragonflys are ahead of victory
Update: got the NB LD-X, not convinced it’s better than the dragonfly. The extra cushioning is nice maybe for a 10k overall, but the fit is a bit sloppy, and with such a stiff plate the heel slip is exacerbated (the LDX is more rigid than the MDX in my hands). They also feel pretty tall off the track, and when the race inevitably comes down to a kick, that extra height leaves you feeling a bit disconnected to the track. The dragonfly still feels much more confidence inspiring. I’m probably going to use it only as a training spike for the cushioning and when I don’t need to aggressively “shift gears”. Im hoping the LDX plate will break in more to mitigate the fit problem. Now if only On can release the cloud spike 10k eventually, but from the On guys’ podcast, they’re already testing the new versions and some might have raced Millrose in updated versions.
From what I know it's because its just not that good compared to other super spikes. Hoka's super shoes and spikes which the elites are wearing look promising so we could be seeing them soon!
@@Trackstaa_ i ended up getting them after seeing some cross country success of some people wearing them in australia. they’re very comfy spikes! they definitely don’t give as much as dragonfly but they definitely feel comfy and are so light too. will see how it goes when cross country starts in a few months
@@Trackstaa_ another thought but the underarmour shakedown elite looks really good… pebax, carbon plate, 6 pins, could be a real gem of spikes? also afaik cloudspikes coming out july, at least in australia
Just wish I could find these in the shops. Nike in Africa only let’s you order online from Europe at your expense! Really poor business model for Africa, so much for being inclusive. So now I’m looking at the other manufacturers spikes simply because Nike has a poor business model for South Africa.
I loved the Air Zoom Victory for the 800m. Anything longer than that though I would switch shoes. If you mainly run the 800m though I would highly recommend them. When I had about 300m's left I would just go all out and the spikes would help keep me at my top speed longer than I would otherwise. It was still painful they just helped me force more pain out of myself. Once race I started blacking out with about 150m's left, but the spikes kept me maintaining the same pace.
Ha! You are reminding me how painful that 800 race is-----especially the last 150-200 meters! Mind over matter at that point.
Selemon Barega and Sifan Hassan has worn it for 10.000m
@@robinbauer1975 Yeah I've seen kids wear them for the 2 mile during high school and I can only imagine the calf pain. Personally I think you could get away with wearing them in any race 3k and below, but wearing them for a 10k is crazy.
@@diizzya1343well I have run a 3000m in them and if felt awesome while the race. And then three days after the race I had extreme calf pain and I run 100km per week and then 140km in base training and then three to 6 weeks in training camp 150-179km per week still my calf felt really bad after the race
Literally exact same thoughts about air zoom victory. Good for start of race, but when legs tired it is extremely hard to continue running fast in them as on toes, compared to dragonfly.
yeah I'm not it's biggest fan
Dragonfly is just OP to me, the fact that you can use them anywhere between an 800 to a 10K, for someone who does 800-3200 during track season and then also does xc theyre awesome
I agree. they're very versatile
Which one do you like best for XC? Personally, I love the Drangonfly for cross country
yeah dragonfly I think
I've only got the Nike ones as don't believe any of the others are available in my size (UK 13). I think there is also a factor of ability here. When I did some 400m reps the Air Zoom Victory I thought was faster but, as you imply, it really throws you forward and as soon as get tired just feels unnatural. So even for an 800 I prefer the Dragonfly. As a 55 year old the Dragonfly also has actually allowed me to race long track races in spikes full stop as "technically" nothing else is really legal anyway. I even did a 10000 the other day and could run fine the day after. Would not have said that about the spikes I wore about 20 years ago for the same event but at least it was over quicker :) I wish could roll back the years and try these spikes when I did my main 800/1500 PBs 30 years ago. If you look at the times done now to then the middle distances aren't that different - there just seems more men that say can run around 3:30 or women 4:00 these days but I might argue the 800 has stagnated in recent years and likes of Coe & Cruz look even better now than they did then. Kind of similar at 5000 & 10000 - just more depth and the times especially in the men barely better than Bekele did 20 years ago so amazing he is still going.
Yep super spikes are a weird one because some aren’t that super. And really I’m unsure where the benefit lies in terms of saving the legs for reducing injury risk and improving recovery or actually directly taking seconds off on race day
@@Trackstaa_ I guess we need to redefine the word "super" in shoes both on the road & track. Charging a lot for a shoe and/or making them almost impossible to buy isn't necessarily "super" for performance and probably why majority of us opt for the Vaporfly or Dragonfly as a matter of choice for racing and then it is largely back now down to ability as ever. In my track 10000 race at "grass roots" masters level everybody bar one wearing spikes were in Dragonflys.
I switched over to Maxflys as a replacement to the zoom victory for the 600-800m. It was way more stable than the victories, depending on form Maxflys and dragonflys are ahead of victory
Agree 100%. A lot of 800 runners did the same
which one is best for 800m? I have run 1:53 with the dragonfly but maybe the Adidas ambition is a better choice?
Possibly still the dragonfly. It depends on your form
Could you use the dragonfly for sprinting and still get the effect of the spikes?
There’s better options
Yeah dragonflys aren’t that fast for sprinting sadly. If you want to use a distance spike for sprinting I’d go with the adidas avanti
Nike Dragonfly🐐
Still the best available
What is the best spike for 400m and 800m
This is probably too late but Nike Air Zoom Victory
Would you still use the avanti for 1500/3k?
I love the Nike zoom rivals for my 400 and 800
Dragonfly or Victory for 1500?
Dragonfly
Thanks mate
maxfly or victory if i run 400m and 800m?
Maxfly
What would be better for 100m, 1000m, long jump and high jump? Like I'm looking for an all round spikes.
I’d say the adidas Ambition
The NB LD-X looks promising. Looks similar in geometry and build as on spike 10k.
Yep. Both are supposed to be the best spikes on the market. I’ve felt the On 10K spike and in hand it feels phenomenal
Update: got the NB LD-X, not convinced it’s better than the dragonfly. The extra cushioning is nice maybe for a 10k overall, but the fit is a bit sloppy, and with such a stiff plate the heel slip is exacerbated (the LDX is more rigid than the MDX in my hands). They also feel pretty tall off the track, and when the race inevitably comes down to a kick, that extra height leaves you feeling a bit disconnected to the track. The dragonfly still feels much more confidence inspiring. I’m probably going to use it only as a training spike for the cushioning and when I don’t need to aggressively “shift gears”.
Im hoping the LDX plate will break in more to mitigate the fit problem. Now if only On can release the cloud spike 10k eventually, but from the On guys’ podcast, they’re already testing the new versions and some might have raced Millrose in updated versions.
ON MD spike not as good?
Apparently not as good as the 10000m
I’d honestly say dragonfly for XC and victory’s for 1600. Idk tho
I just haven't been able to get on well with the vics
LeTtTtTtTsSsSs GoOoOoOooOo, so many options!
there's too many honestly
What would be best for 300h and 400m
mayfly
What races can we see them using this new super spike
Commonwealth games and the later diamond leagues like Brussels and Zurich
400m sprinter
I want that one spikes and air zoom victory 2 soooo bad
likewise!
do you have any idea what the best spike is for xc
dragonfly
hoka cielo never really gets a mention. would like to hear more mainstream thoughts there’s bugger all about it
From what I know it's because its just not that good compared to other super spikes. Hoka's super shoes and spikes which the elites are wearing look promising so we could be seeing them soon!
@@Trackstaa_ i ended up getting them after seeing some cross country success of some people wearing them in australia. they’re very comfy spikes! they definitely don’t give as much as dragonfly but they definitely feel comfy and are so light too. will see how it goes when cross country starts in a few months
@@hawkseyy good to know!
@@Trackstaa_ another thought but the underarmour shakedown elite looks really good… pebax, carbon plate, 6 pins, could be a real gem of spikes?
also afaik cloudspikes coming out july, at least in australia
@@hawkseyy I’ll ask underarmour guys about this spike
Timing 49.2
What spike is in the thumbnail?
Nike Air zoom victory and On cloud spike 10000
I am 19 years
Road mile , next persent or takumi sen
That’s a tough one. Very close.
Ld-x are now available on runningwarehouse
New Balance MD-X?
Mentioned towards the end of the video
What about sprints
Spikes to seem less influential. But I would say Nike, Puma, New Balance and Adidas have the top contending spikes
Please
Just wish I could find these in the shops. Nike in Africa only let’s you order online from
Europe at your expense! Really poor business model for Africa, so much for being inclusive. So now I’m looking at the other manufacturers spikes simply because Nike has a poor business model for South Africa.