@@bharatbharatiya4839 Awesome that you so easily use multiple opposites in one breath... is it so easy to say that someone is lying... will help if you can cite what was the lie...btw I never found any in his talk...
@@jayap3557 Being educated if u cant see,hear or understand what can i do Real Historians in todays life very few who know and talk true Many historians know but will not tell the truth to everyone with fear as being affiliated to certain political parties
Many unaware Indias best scientific university IISC, banglore was brain child of Swami Vivekananda, he share his vision with Jamshed ji TATA and convinced him to establish IISC. Through which IIT, ISRO, DRDO, ALL scientific innovation basis was founded 200 years by Swami Vivekananda. Shamelessly nehru and congress claimed as their contribution.
Really no none or any Bhararatiyas have any knowledge of this great contribution by Swami Vivekananda This should be spread fast to downgrade Nehru Gandy Chorgress false claim who only gave Obsecinity,Vulgarity called Film industry to spread Islam ideology where u will find songs with urdu and film based on Islamic agenda
This isnt proved. Tata met swamji on the way to yokohoma on a ship and asked Swamiji to popularise the idea of IISc. It was solely the brainchild of Tata
@@34kaushik meddy just do your self a favour go to IISC library and see exchange letters were still there, slaves like you question even recorded history.
@@karthikpolasani3038 why r u so quick to label everybody who doesn't agree with u? If u r so sure, please share those sources here. Shri Makaranad ji himself said what I stated above. It is in his book too.
Netaji, Swamiji and Gurudev (Rabindranath) are the trio who mainly shaped modern Bharat. Good discussion. But very much incomplete without Gurudev. Very shocked not to see His name mentioned there.
Why was such an amazing panel given only 30mins? Wtf. They should have been given atleast 2 hours to give good insights. But kudos to Arth for organizing such a mind blowing fest
21:00 : Although I agree that indeed the deeper issue currently is loss of capacity to think systematically, rationally and freely. However, its causes not mentioned. - If one could freely say their mind and rationally compare ideologies (e.g. Islam, Christianity), which say other schools of thought are illegitimate and deserve conversion or else possible death, they don't stand any chance in front of tradition of co-existence of multiple schools of philosophy and paths bundled as 'Hinduism' and Dharmic sub-traditions - If one could critically connect the historical dots, one would openly say these religions were almost entirely enforced and thrust upon the people of this subcontinent by the force of sword. And, everyone knows why no one would says this openly.... such a climate of fear has been created since centuries since Delhi Sultanate began, that many don't even realize it consciously
Seems like Desai and Paranjpe vs Anuj Dhar and Sampath. Former two do not want to go against western ordained intellectual slavery in India and latter want to remove western slavery from Indian minds and become independent Indians who know their past and facts. Anuj Dhar is fantastic not only because of his great research on Bose but also because he recognizes people like Paranjape who want to deny Bose, Bhagat Singh, Savarkar. Great how he fought against Paranjape on this, need fighters today to keep history alive. Paranjape should know Indian youth have been taught Bhagat Singh was a terrorist in NCERT textbooks which they reject today. And this hasn't started 6yrs ago but this is a crises since decades with bad education system that taught distorted information. Not one paragraph is mentioned about Vivekanand or Savakar or Bhagat Singh in textbooks. It is easy to condemn Indian youth but what has he done as a professor to rectify education in his area apart from selling books and earning from it? Disappointed to see Paranjape speaking against India and for western intellectual slavery, he used to speak well but here he exposed himself. Sanjiv Sanyal is the one of the only few authentic historians today, rest are all book sellers.
I m habituated of reading comments while watching videos.....I did the same and noticed ur comment ... Having watched the program I am of opinion that they were presenting their conviction which could not be only truth and those have to be logically sound.duo Dhar and sampat .......to be continued
To be fair, Paranjape has lived in the communist den for so many years, thus he realizes the importance of rigorous articulation. He supports all of what they say, but knows that the long term game cannot be played with Twitter armies, and much more rigorous stuff is required.
As far as I know, Makrand Paranjpe ji is from the same Indic Circle as Anuj Dhar ji and Sampath ji. Makrand Paranjpe ji has been pretty vocal and against the activities at JNU. Correct me if I am wrong... But they are like Subramanian Swamy ji and S. Gurumurthy ji, same ideology but different opinions.
Super point that I too really wished to acknowledge what Sri Makarand ji points out starting 18:54, reduction of a single bipolar picture is not a good idea and not true as well. Indian freedom struggle (the transfer of power from British) is much more complicated and intervined and very organically happened. Whether we like it or not there were so many misgivings that happened in the process for sure, like the partition. I support, the Anuj point for sure. The point is it really complex. Lack of critical thinking is the need.
Only 33 minutes discussion on the most towering figures in the history of India who are always neglected under particular and deliberate intentions . There should be more discussions adding two more personalities. Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar and Sardar Patel.
Very true as well as Barindranath Dutta brother of Swami Vivekananda as well as Rasbihari Bose. But nobody recognise their extremely important people. Sadly we Indian from any part must respect our great bengali leaders mentioned above
How Sri Aurobindo shaped idea of India?? I know about... Rammohan Roy, Dayanand Saraswati, Swami vivekananda... Tagore, bankim Bose,gandhi, Tilak Nehru, Ambedkar, Patel, Savarkar Even jinnah and Periyar As shapers of idea of India... How did Aurobindo shape it?? Can u summaries in points (I m not trying to berate Sri Aurobindo,just I don't find him that influential due to my own igronance and as someone in comment has already said by the grace of our great education system)
His erudition and eloquence notwithstanding, Professor Paranjape appeared to not decipher that being a researcher on Netaji, it was both of prudence and a natural course for Anuj Dhar to establish what led to our independence. He may well focus on the macro aspects of the progress of India as a country, but it is equally of significance to look into the micro aspects of our independence, which is exactly what Anuj was highlighting. To me, professor Paranjape's dismissive demeanour bespoke nothing but plain arrogance. Anuj was the most outspoken panelist. He voiced the angst of the people verbatim and did not disguise it in scholarly words. Vikram Sampath was also quite commendable.
You put it so well...but I think what is now needed is official acceptance to the fact that india got independence more than anything else ( but not without including) because of after effects of Netaji's actions, INA trial,RIN mutiny and collaspe of native army's loyalty toward their white masters....and also that r.c Majumdar, Ambedkar and Atlee agreed to this theory......and if not,Govt should organise atleast nationwide debate on roles of Gandhi,bose, Patel,Nehru, Ambedkar, Savarkar...etc with clinching evidences..and rational arguments between historians of all spectrum of ideology to put their point... otherwise it will like just some curious people knowing the true story and majority still singing de di hame azadi innocently 🙏🙏
Brilliant discourse indeed. Bit concerned with the perspective of Dr Paranjpe alluding to middle path for truth, trivialising Atlee's specific answer denying credit to Gandhi and his seemingly pro Gandhi stance. Perhaps Dr P is brimming with knowledge that he needs more time to process.
Swami Vivekanand is definitely the one who shaped India and Indian. He was born in 1863. He for the first time define what and how Great Hinduism is and Indian philosophy is. Netaji himself was an ardent devotee of Swamiji Vivekananda's. Veer Sarvarkar was born in 1883. Three of them are great but they can't be put in same box or compared. Vivekananda shaped modern Hinduism and nationalism.
I am totally agreed.....but one man I think did more to the Idea of nationalism even more than Swami Vivekananda himself.........he was Swami Dayanand Saraswati....but people ignore him just bcz he never went to west as Anuj sir so fiercely put it( in other context)......... what do you think?
@@VikramSingh-vg7gv He has established Arya samaj. But before Arya samaj there were Bramha Samaj was there. In my opinion Swami Dayanand Saraswati is better than Raja RamMohan Roy. We don't read history and must read unbiased books my Indian freedom fighter such as Surendranath Bandyopadhyay "A nation in making". Etc
Have never found such panelists on India Today debates because they are sold out, more fest like these must happen and also in hindi to reach out to a larger audience.
When we talk abt Independence all credits were given to Gandhi & his movements I mean those clever Firangis ruling the nation for ~200 years, I don't see that as a point to leave India, behind that there might have other scenario we have Bhagat Singh, SC Bose's aggressive movement etc that might have given some impact on those Angrez. Unfortunately we haven't read much on the later mentioned above in our schools.
Wrong. He died young. Just by giving a speech in Chicago does not make hi greatest. Those who sacrificed their whole life and bore hardships all the life, wrote mind changing poems and literatures will always be the greatest. Savarkar's concept of Hindutva stands tallest than Vivekananda who is still religion based.
Markand ji is not correct in translation of second line of kathopanishad mantra.The क्षुरस्य धारा is only indicative of difficulties experienced in achieving the aim 'stopping not till aim is reached n it does not cut nor kill anyone.With due regards
Fine panel discussion with a no holds barred array of outrageous statements from some panelists. India needs to surely revise its history books and present a counter narrative to the one peddled by scores of crony historians on Congress party's payroll. Sadly, even this BJP Govt seems least interested in doing so.
@Diptasree Choudhuri Yes. Newer generations always tend to be better informed than previous generations. It's more due to wider access to information. Kids called 'Gen Z' i.e. those born after around year 2000 have no idea what it was living in a world without internet or mobile phone. Such technologies bridge the gap between information / knowledge seekers and info / knowledge providers. Even Social Media has democratized news flow, as it routinely calls out 'eminent' journalists for their motivated reportage. But, India will shine again only if & when it embraces its Indic roots / civilizational ethos. For that, BJP has to be bold and undo all that Lord MaCaulay introduced in the name of "education" in India, besides the high school & college curriculum steeped in leftists propaganda, as in JNU. BJP has so far disappointed on this front.
@Diptasree Choudhuri Very true. Our own ancient culture and traditions respect women far more than any of the Western ones do. It's only Hinduism which has scores of women deities and most temples in India are devoted to such women deities. No religion originated in the West has a female deity. We need to wean ourselves away from the mindset of seeking approval of the "white man" embrace the richness of our own cultural heritage. E.g yoga, ayurveda, Indic / Vedic sciences - all of which predate Western parallels by several millennia.
@Diptasree Choudhuri Agree. Any sustainable social change has to come from society not the Govt. Govt only legitimises such changes through laws or its policies. BTW, the Indian concept of feminism is vastly different from that of Western societies. Even today, there are many communities in India, esp Kerala n North-east regions, which are matriarchal. I've seen family bungalows named after the matriarchs in Kerala. Feminism is more about gender justice than seeking undue privileges for women or male bashing.
@@tanyasharma8494 Vivakanand didn't even try to do something for country's freedom. Ramkrishan mission didn't contribute to freedom struggle. Give lectures at universities and writing stupid books is easy.
@@realabhinavarya He revived Hinduism especially Vedanta. He gave confidence to the colonized people of India. He was inspiration for many freedom fighters. His mission to this day is active throughout the country. Undoubtedly he was the greatest religious leader of his era.
@@tanyasharma8494 You are making things up. He didn't do any of these. He was a smoker and a meat eater. He didn't know what are Vedas. He didn't know Sanskrit grammar. Just do some comparative study of maharshi dyanand sarswati vs swami vivekanand.
The fact is that everybody should be given their due. It will be purely idiotic thinking to eulogize one freedom fighter and ignore others completely. Whosoever has contributed to freedom struggle or Reformation of society of that time should be given due respect whether it was subhash Bose, Sardaar patel, Ambedkar, Veer Savarkar, Azad, Bhagat singh, Gandhi, vivekanand Or other dignitaries. We need to recognize contribution from all dignitaries of the time.
Left never wanted to listen growing voice of Bose, Vivekananda and the people who used to talk now because they knew/know Gandhi , Nehru will be expose. Gandhi : "If the Muslims want to kill us(Hindu) , we must face death bravely" 😠 People must read and know about fact of Mopala genocide. Dr. Ambedkar's book 'Partition of India': Gandhi never failed to condemn every incident of violence but Gandhiji never opposed these killings but he kept silence!🤔 You can easily understand his kindness.
I tell you guys now take it from as warning if I write a single song like "Vir Swarkar " and/or you try to forget me I will haunt you as 👻 till end of time.
Vivekananda, Rabindranath Tagore, Subhash Bose, Sardar Patel, Nehru and Gandhi were all India figures while Savarakar remained a provincial figure of Maharashtra. Savarkar's Hindutva made him communal figure just like Jinnah though both of whom had potential to be all India figures. BTW we shouldn't forget that Dadabahi Navroji, Sarojini Naidu, Lala Lajpat Rai, Tilak and Gokhale who were great contributors .
Poor knowledge, if you say Savarkar is a provincial figure. He has been followed all over Indias by revolutionaries. He is the first national figure after Lokmanya Tilak...but he was taken to jail and Gandhi took that seat. jWhat has Rabindranath Tagore done and what makes him national??? Savarkar travelled all over India, delivered speeches on Hindu Mahasabha platform and his party was all over India. Know before u speak. Then I can say even Vivekanand was provincial he was a Bengali...Tagore has talked about 'Sonar Bangla' has Savarkar talked about 'Maharashtra'. He knew many languages and have written in Punjabi..But he expressed best in Marathi and Sanskrit.
I don't understand one thing and correct me if I'm wrong.. We can have tv debates over unnecessary topics such as Pakistan, Hindu-Muslim etc for the whole day and when it comes to have the discussion over sensible topic, we can't even get a 60-90 minutes show?
अर्थ organisers please call sh Sai Deepak to explain colonialisation,colonalism n colonalialty.Then we can understand as to why foreigners define Idea of India.I can never agree with a narrative of India being sent,propagated from abroad n perpetuated by their brown foot soldiers in India.Just reading INDIA THAT'S BHARAT n is deeply illuminating
Anuj ji took no BS about Netaji and that's how it should be. We have been force fed a certain narrative because it suits the former colonial masters and later their slaves who ruled us. Yes talking about Netaji's death mystery is as important as to mainstreaming his idea and ideals of a modern India. He is the shining example of unconditional nationalism and that is what troubles many today. Savarkar ji is mocked today by people sitting in AC rooms about how he wrote a mercy petition to the British after serving 14 years in Kalapani let them survive that punishment and then speak for themselves. We have been taught a linear version of India's independence struggle with Gandhi as its face but was this version even a struggle? No accounts of British atrocities not even a slightest mentionnof personalities that paralleled that of Gandhi and Nehru. We need the alternate version of history to better understand ourselves and that is what people like VIKRAM SAMPATH, ANUJ DHAR , J SAI DEEPAK, MEENAKSHI JAIN and many others like them are doing....
@@bharatbharatiya4839 He is not an Indian citizen. The title "Lord" is on account of him being a member of the House of Lords, the Upper House of the British Parliament.
@@SamvedIyer So tell him to keep Lord title there and come here Either the announcer who proudly announces word Lord or Desai have forgotten that Bharat is not under British rule But what to say speaking English,wearing western clothes or and having Lord in front of anyone is considered Status symbol Here the programme is called Arth means Hindi word and stylish Indian People speaking in English Strange and disgusting
@@bharatbharatiya4839 Using the word "Lord" is as normal as using the word "Justice" or "Minister" or "Secretary". It is _our_ inferiority complex that we choose to consider "Lord" as someone superior.
@@SamvedIyer i said to you to leave Lord in England Shame U are praising Lord title who tortured and massacred 350 Crores Bharatiyas in their 250 years of rule It may not pain u but it brings me pain when i hear Lord
Our biggest challenge is mixing religion with politics. If religion gets the better of any idea in the nation then India is doomed. Religious leaders should not speak politics and politicians should not speak about religion.
Yesu worshippers should not preach others about 'bringing religion into politics'. Religion in politics is not the issue. Abesgamic religions which preach violence and intolerance to other humans and cultures, are the real issue
Where is swami dayanand and he is very underrated and ideal for nationalism and fight of arya samaji for freedom People do not consider him bcz he is against islam and christinaty
Mr. Makarand said rightly about critical thinking, but, shouldn't we think also that we ourselves ax on our foot in past by not stopping damage of our Gurukuls, nalanda University, scriptures, real history and also temples.... Today, due to the damage in past, the current generation isn't aware about the real history and culture of bharat. They follow other culture and civilization but not Bharat's. How the bharat will became vishwaguru again. If most of the people are illiterate due to different education system which is so expensive. .... Think....
Makrand Paranjape voice and accent is so soothing to the ears. He can argue on any topic while sounding like a saint🙏.
Right Talking but Lies in a very sophicated and soothing voice
@@bharatbharatiya4839 hahahahahaha lol lefthead , welcome dude
@@bharatbharatiya4839 Awesome that you so easily use multiple opposites in one breath... is it so easy to say that someone is lying... will help if you can cite what was the lie...btw I never found any in his talk...
@@jayap3557 Being educated if u cant see,hear or understand what can i do
Real Historians in todays life very few who know and talk true
Many historians know but will not tell the truth to everyone with fear as being affiliated to certain political parties
He is lier. No doubt about it. On many occasions we have witnessed it.
Nd I have huge respect for everyone on this pannel
But the research done by vikram sampath on savarkar and by anuj dhar on netaji is fantastic
30 minutes discussion wasn't enough here, at least 2 hours was needed.
Many unaware Indias best scientific university IISC, banglore was brain child of Swami Vivekananda, he share his vision with Jamshed ji TATA and convinced him to establish IISC. Through which IIT, ISRO, DRDO, ALL scientific innovation basis was founded 200 years by Swami Vivekananda. Shamelessly nehru and congress claimed as their contribution.
Really no none or any Bhararatiyas have any knowledge of this great contribution by Swami Vivekananda This should be spread fast to downgrade Nehru Gandy Chorgress false claim who only gave Obsecinity,Vulgarity called Film industry to spread Islam ideology where u will find songs with urdu and film based on Islamic agenda
This isnt proved. Tata met swamji on the way to yokohoma on a ship and asked Swamiji to popularise the idea of IISc. It was solely the brainchild of Tata
@@34kaushik meddy just do your self a favour go to IISC library and see exchange letters were still there, slaves like you question even recorded history.
@@karthikpolasani3038 why r u so quick to label everybody who doesn't agree with u? If u r so sure, please share those sources here. Shri Makaranad ji himself said what I stated above. It is in his book too.
@@34kaushik why don't you google it Jamshed ji letter to vivekananda.
Always lovely to see anuj sir and paranjape sir ❤️
Netaji, Swamiji and Gurudev (Rabindranath) are the trio who mainly shaped modern Bharat. Good discussion. But very much incomplete without Gurudev. Very shocked not to see His name mentioned there.
Why was such an amazing panel given only 30mins? Wtf. They should have been given atleast 2 hours to give good insights. But kudos to Arth for organizing such a mind blowing fest
More and frequent such event should be organised
21:00 : Although I agree that indeed the deeper issue currently is loss of capacity to think systematically, rationally and freely. However, its causes not mentioned.
- If one could freely say their mind and rationally compare ideologies (e.g. Islam, Christianity), which say other schools of thought are illegitimate and deserve conversion or else possible death, they don't stand any chance in front of tradition of co-existence of multiple schools of philosophy and paths bundled as 'Hinduism' and Dharmic sub-traditions
- If one could critically connect the historical dots, one would openly say these religions were almost entirely enforced and thrust upon the people of this subcontinent by the force of sword. And, everyone knows why no one would says this openly.... such a climate of fear has been created since centuries since Delhi Sultanate began, that many don't even realize it consciously
India will achieve it's freedom truly once it's speak in it's own language and apply it's own laws.
Love from Nepal 🇳🇵🇳🇵❤❤🇳🇵🇳🇵❤❤
Hats off Anuj Dhar..
Anuj Dhar 🙌🏽
People who criticize thali bajao by Modi are the same who believe that only satyagraha or making salt gave us freedom🤣🤣🤣👌🏽
The song "Bina khadag Bina dhaal" was a joke happened in my childhood. I sang it like an idiot 😑😑. Even chacha nehru was bigger joke😑😑😑
the more funny thing is that Gujjus always make fool out of everyone specially Indians.
@@ravneetsingh1107 Can you elaborate?
@@kishoretiwari8141 no
Fantastic reply sir
Mr. Anuj Dhar is right. We need to aggressively put our narrative if we want systemic and pervading change.
Now actually hindustan is in real light of his civilization.
Sadar parnam swami vivekanand netaji shubash and veer sawrkar u will remain always in our heart and mind vandematram
Jay Veer Savarkar
@@satyaitihas4622 kick only savarkar from this and then only it is really be beneficial for youth
It's so much lovely to hear the real voices of India
Sir,Today the first day I watched ur two programs,excellent educative programs every one watch I believe.
Very good conversation. Country needs this type of conversation to open the block mind of people in our country.
I am very happy to see such wonderful panel. More such researchers we need.
Most fruitful programme.
Delighted to watch the discussion on such topics 🙏
Please add Veer to Savarkarji's name in the title.
Yes
Ofcourse
Right
When there is swami vivekananda why follow that idiot criminal minded savarkar dirty chsp
Mr. Paranjpe playing Devil's Advocate perfectly here :D
Seems like Desai and Paranjpe vs Anuj Dhar and Sampath. Former two do not want to go against western ordained intellectual slavery in India and latter want to remove western slavery from Indian minds and become independent Indians who know their past and facts. Anuj Dhar is fantastic not only because of his great research on Bose but also because he recognizes people like Paranjape who want to deny Bose, Bhagat Singh, Savarkar. Great how he fought against Paranjape on this, need fighters today to keep history alive. Paranjape should know Indian youth have been taught Bhagat Singh was a terrorist in NCERT textbooks which they reject today. And this hasn't started 6yrs ago but this is a crises since decades with bad education system that taught distorted information. Not one paragraph is mentioned about Vivekanand or Savakar or Bhagat Singh in textbooks. It is easy to condemn Indian youth but what has he done as a professor to rectify education in his area apart from selling books and earning from it? Disappointed to see Paranjape speaking against India and for western intellectual slavery, he used to speak well but here he exposed himself. Sanjiv Sanyal is the one of the only few authentic historians today, rest are all book sellers.
Absolutely
I m habituated of reading comments while watching videos.....I did the same and noticed ur comment ... Having watched the program I am of opinion that they were presenting their conviction which could not be only truth and those have to be logically sound.duo Dhar and sampat .......to be continued
To be fair, Paranjape has lived in the communist den for so many years, thus he realizes the importance of rigorous articulation.
He supports all of what they say, but knows that the long term game cannot be played with Twitter armies, and much more rigorous stuff is required.
@@souravtiwari4514 It's a good way to keep an eye on the pulse of the nation!
As far as I know, Makrand Paranjpe ji is from the same Indic Circle as Anuj Dhar ji and Sampath ji.
Makrand Paranjpe ji has been pretty vocal and against the activities at JNU.
Correct me if I am wrong...
But they are like Subramanian Swamy ji and S. Gurumurthy ji, same ideology but different opinions.
Why there is a lot of noise around ? There should be noise cancellation while recording
lots of children are playing but why are they here in this meeting?
Guruji makarand ko pranam 🙏
Salute to bose and his anuj for occupying the rarely followed farthest seat
Thanksgiving informations abouts great peoples
Paranjape and Vikram are awesome
30 minutes are very less for the panel like this
It needs 2 to 3 hrs
Super point that I too really wished to acknowledge what Sri Makarand ji points out starting 18:54, reduction of a single bipolar picture is not a good idea and not true as well. Indian freedom struggle (the transfer of power from British) is much more complicated and intervined and very organically happened. Whether we like it or not there were so many misgivings that happened in the process for sure, like the partition.
I support, the Anuj point for sure.
The point is it really complex. Lack of critical thinking is the need.
@Sitra Ever Yes. Also we need to acknowledge and find the hidden truths of Indian history.
Happy to have such a great intellect feast🙏 thank you
Indian government should declare Swami vivekananda's birthday as holyday (12th jan)
Very nice discussion. Such discussions should be on main stream medias and in hindi so that in large scale people would be benifited.
Great 👏
Lord meghnad Desai they all are man...... 🙏👍👏👏
Anuj Dhar
Anuj Dhar ❤
Makarand sir jai ho!
The audience is talking with each other so much instead of listening these people🤦🏻♂️Cool Dude Youths🕺💃
Only 33 minutes discussion on the most towering figures in the history of India who are always neglected under particular and deliberate intentions . There should be more discussions adding two more personalities. Dr. Babasaheb Ambedkar and Sardar Patel.
India gave those leaders to the world, they don't shaped India, India shaped them
Netaji,Veer Savarkar,Swami Vivekananda all are my fvrt but Sardar Patel is missing.
Also lokamanya Tilak
@@amalnath6477 he was one of the founder who started freedom movement. He hold the position very higher than all of those who fought later.
Only 33:44 was not enough............ 🙏
Through out school days they taught us false history.😀
@sureshkant shinde ok
@sureshkant shinde sir I couldn't find ur comment ,so can't reply to it
these are some intellectual men..
Unfortunately you have missed out the Personality who actually shaped the idea of India, Sri Aurobindo.
Most of the people's dont now about him just because of raddi history books who only mention about Gandhi and Nehru
Idea of Bharat isn't new it's centuries older.
Very true as well as Barindranath Dutta brother of Swami Vivekananda as well as Rasbihari Bose.
But nobody recognise their extremely important people.
Sadly we Indian from any part must respect our great bengali leaders mentioned above
How Sri Aurobindo shaped idea of India??
I know about... Rammohan Roy, Dayanand Saraswati, Swami vivekananda...
Tagore, bankim
Bose,gandhi, Tilak
Nehru, Ambedkar, Patel, Savarkar
Even jinnah and Periyar
As shapers of idea of India...
How did Aurobindo shape it?? Can u summaries in points (I m not trying to berate Sri Aurobindo,just I don't find him that influential due to my own igronance and as someone in comment has already said by the grace of our great education system)
Ambedkar was not a freedom fighter . Nor gave any idea for people fighting for freedom . Therefore he is not discussed .
Godse was inspired from Savarkar but Godse himself said that had he told Savarkar the plan , Savarkar would have said no straightaway .
Love the intro music 😁
Mee too
I'm missing J Sai Deepak from the discussion, he would have rocked.
His erudition and eloquence notwithstanding, Professor Paranjape appeared to not decipher that being a researcher on Netaji, it was both of prudence and a natural course for Anuj Dhar to establish what led to our independence. He may well focus on the macro aspects of the progress of India as a country, but it is equally of significance to look into the micro aspects of our independence, which is exactly what Anuj was highlighting.
To me, professor Paranjape's dismissive demeanour bespoke nothing but plain arrogance.
Anuj was the most outspoken panelist. He voiced the angst of the people verbatim and did not disguise it in scholarly words. Vikram Sampath was also quite commendable.
You put it so well...but I think what is now needed is official acceptance to the fact that india got independence more than anything else ( but not without including) because of after effects of Netaji's actions, INA trial,RIN mutiny and collaspe of native army's loyalty toward their white masters....and also that r.c Majumdar, Ambedkar and Atlee agreed to this theory......and if not,Govt should organise atleast nationwide debate on roles of Gandhi,bose, Patel,Nehru, Ambedkar, Savarkar...etc with clinching evidences..and rational arguments between historians of all spectrum of ideology to put their point... otherwise it will like just some curious people knowing the true story and majority still singing de di hame azadi innocently 🙏🙏
Didn't you guys get better background portrait
Swami Vivekananda belong to Ramkrishna Mission sampradaya... HOo hoo....
Can you also do a panel on women who shaped India?
25:30 👌
Brilliant discourse indeed.
Bit concerned with the perspective of Dr Paranjpe alluding to middle path for truth, trivialising Atlee's specific answer denying credit to Gandhi and his seemingly pro Gandhi stance.
Perhaps Dr P is brimming with knowledge that he needs more time to process.
Swami Vivekanand is definitely the one who shaped India and Indian.
He was born in 1863. He for the first time define what and how Great Hinduism is and Indian philosophy is.
Netaji himself was an ardent devotee of Swamiji Vivekananda's.
Veer Sarvarkar was born in 1883.
Three of them are great but they can't be put in same box or compared.
Vivekananda shaped modern Hinduism and nationalism.
Savarkar is greatest among all patriots
@@satyaitihas4622 may be to you but for others it's Netaji
I am totally agreed.....but one man I think did more to the Idea of nationalism even more than Swami Vivekananda himself.........he was Swami Dayanand Saraswati....but people ignore him just bcz he never went to west as Anuj sir so fiercely put it( in other context)......... what do you think?
@@VikramSingh-vg7gv He has established Arya samaj. But before Arya samaj there were Bramha Samaj was there. In my opinion Swami Dayanand Saraswati is better than Raja RamMohan Roy. We don't read history and must read unbiased books my Indian freedom fighter such as Surendranath Bandyopadhyay "A nation in making". Etc
@@gamegal1090I don't think Brahmo Samaj Is good for Sanatan Dharma
Have never found such panelists on India Today debates because they are sold out, more fest like these must happen and also in hindi to reach out to a larger audience.
Subhash Chandra Bose and Many Freedom Fighter Are Real Heroes of Freedom of Bharat 🇮🇳
Their should be cc in Hindi for the benefit of nation
Damn this channel got all those topics which i want to know thanx to the org. to host this type if debates.
Loved to see this panel anuj dhar , panjpayee sir and vikram Sampath sir🎉🎉🎉
When we talk abt Independence all credits were given to Gandhi & his movements I mean those clever Firangis ruling the nation for ~200 years, I don't see that as a point to leave India, behind that there might have other scenario we have Bhagat Singh, SC Bose's aggressive movement etc that might have given some impact on those Angrez. Unfortunately we haven't read much on the later mentioned above in our schools.
Swami Vivekananda is the greatest among them all.
I am not saying this.
Netaji and Savarkar ji themselves have said this.
Om gurubhey namah.
Wrong. He died young. Just by giving a speech in Chicago does not make hi greatest. Those who sacrificed their whole life and bore hardships all the life, wrote mind changing poems and literatures will always be the greatest. Savarkar's concept of Hindutva stands tallest than Vivekananda who is still religion based.
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Markand ji is not correct in translation of second line of kathopanishad mantra.The क्षुरस्य धारा is only indicative of difficulties experienced in achieving the aim 'stopping not till aim is reached n it does not cut nor kill anyone.With due regards
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Hindustan zindabad,jai ho zee NEWSZZZ
Social media gives equal opportunity to Good, Bad and Ugly. Good is still scarce commodity, however.
Fine panel discussion with a no holds barred array of outrageous statements from some panelists. India needs to surely revise its history books and present a counter narrative to the one peddled by scores of crony historians on Congress party's payroll. Sadly, even this BJP Govt seems least interested in doing so.
@Diptasree Choudhuri Yes. Newer generations always tend to be better informed than previous generations. It's more due to wider access to information. Kids called 'Gen Z' i.e. those born after around year 2000 have no idea what it was living in a world without internet or mobile phone. Such technologies bridge the gap between information / knowledge seekers and info / knowledge providers. Even Social Media has democratized news flow, as it routinely calls out 'eminent' journalists for their motivated reportage. But, India will shine again only if & when it embraces its Indic roots / civilizational ethos. For that, BJP has to be bold and undo all that Lord MaCaulay introduced in the name of "education" in India, besides the high school & college curriculum steeped in leftists propaganda, as in JNU. BJP has so far disappointed on this front.
@Diptasree Choudhuri Very true. Our own ancient culture and traditions respect women far more than any of the Western ones do. It's only Hinduism which has scores of women deities and most temples in India are devoted to such women deities. No religion originated in the West has a female deity. We need to wean ourselves away from the mindset of seeking approval of the "white man" embrace the richness of our own cultural heritage. E.g yoga, ayurveda, Indic / Vedic sciences - all of which predate Western parallels by several millennia.
@Diptasree Choudhuri Agree. Any sustainable social change has to come from society not the Govt. Govt only legitimises such changes through laws or its policies. BTW, the Indian concept of feminism is vastly different from that of Western societies. Even today, there are many communities in India, esp Kerala n North-east regions, which are matriarchal. I've seen family bungalows named after the matriarchs in Kerala. Feminism is more about gender justice than seeking undue privileges for women or male bashing.
Tribal people too contributed in freedom struggled
Absolutely
Swami Vivekanand envisioned that India could reclaim her glory by combining the two great systems: “Hinduism and Islam - Vedanta brain and Islam body"
It is stupid
@@realabhinavarya not for me
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Vivakanand didn't even try to do something for country's freedom. Ramkrishan mission didn't contribute to freedom struggle.
Give lectures at universities and writing stupid books is easy.
@@realabhinavarya He revived Hinduism especially Vedanta. He gave confidence to the colonized people of India. He was inspiration for many freedom fighters. His mission to this day is active throughout the country. Undoubtedly he was the greatest religious leader of his era.
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You are making things up. He didn't do any of these. He was a smoker and a meat eater. He didn't know what are Vedas. He didn't know Sanskrit grammar. Just do some comparative study of maharshi dyanand sarswati vs swami vivekanand.
I think myself more closed to Professor Makarand Paranjape. Besides of trolling, we must find every and accept every sides.
Makarand ji dhanya Hain aaaap
The fact is that everybody should be given their due. It will be purely idiotic thinking to eulogize one freedom fighter and ignore others completely. Whosoever has contributed to freedom struggle or Reformation of society of that time should be given due respect whether it was subhash Bose, Sardaar patel, Ambedkar, Veer Savarkar, Azad, Bhagat singh, Gandhi, vivekanand Or other dignitaries. We need to recognize contribution from all dignitaries of the time.
Just one thing plz use veer savarkar
Left never wanted to listen growing voice of Bose, Vivekananda and the people who used to talk now because they knew/know Gandhi , Nehru will be expose.
Gandhi : "If the Muslims want to kill us(Hindu) , we must face death bravely" 😠
People must read and know about fact of Mopala genocide.
Dr. Ambedkar's book 'Partition of India': Gandhi never failed to condemn every incident of violence but Gandhiji never opposed these killings but he kept silence!🤔
You can easily understand his kindness.
I tell you guys now take it from as warning if I write a single song like "Vir Swarkar " and/or you try to forget me I will haunt you as 👻 till end of time.
Who is this Vivekananda they are talking about ? Are they referring to Swami Vivekamund ?
Swami Vivekanand.
Wtf
Any other vivekananda you know worth talking about 😠
Vivekananda, Rabindranath Tagore, Subhash Bose, Sardar Patel, Nehru and Gandhi were all India figures while Savarakar remained a provincial figure of Maharashtra. Savarkar's Hindutva made him communal figure just like Jinnah though both of whom had potential to be all India figures. BTW we shouldn't forget that Dadabahi Navroji, Sarojini Naidu, Lala Lajpat Rai, Tilak and Gokhale who were great contributors .
@sureshkant shinde I also need to add Ranade.
@@nkmahale you are ignorant.
Poor knowledge, if you say Savarkar is a provincial figure. He has been followed all over Indias by revolutionaries. He is the first national figure after Lokmanya Tilak...but he was taken to jail and Gandhi took that seat. jWhat has Rabindranath Tagore done and what makes him national??? Savarkar travelled all over India, delivered speeches on Hindu Mahasabha platform and his party was all over India. Know before u speak. Then I can say even Vivekanand was provincial he was a Bengali...Tagore has talked about 'Sonar Bangla' has Savarkar talked about 'Maharashtra'. He knew many languages and have written in Punjabi..But he expressed best in Marathi and Sanskrit.
East or west Dr. Subbu is the best.
I don't understand one thing and correct me if I'm wrong.. We can have tv debates over unnecessary topics such as Pakistan, Hindu-Muslim etc for the whole day and when it comes to have the discussion over sensible topic, we can't even get a 60-90 minutes show?
Absolutely 👌
It's not 1857 revolution.. It's 1817 Paika revolution in Odisha is the first war of independence
Nope, 1806, Vellore
Makarand Paranjape.. truly objectively intellectual... others not so much..
अर्थ organisers please call sh Sai Deepak to explain colonialisation,colonalism n colonalialty.Then we can understand as to why foreigners define Idea of India.I can never agree with a narrative of India being sent,propagated from abroad n perpetuated by their brown foot soldiers in India.Just reading INDIA THAT'S BHARAT n is deeply illuminating
Ahhhh finally I find someone who knows the value of j sai deepak sir
If he's there he certainly win the stage
His master oratory is god gifted
Anuj ji took no BS about Netaji and that's how it should be. We have been force fed a certain narrative because it suits the former colonial masters and later their slaves who ruled us. Yes talking about Netaji's death mystery is as important as to mainstreaming his idea and ideals of a modern India. He is the shining example of unconditional nationalism and that is what troubles many today. Savarkar ji is mocked today by people sitting in AC rooms about how he wrote a mercy petition to the British after serving 14 years in Kalapani let them survive that punishment and then speak for themselves. We have been taught a linear version of India's independence struggle with Gandhi as its face but was this version even a struggle? No accounts of British atrocities not even a slightest mentionnof personalities that paralleled that of Gandhi and Nehru. We need the alternate version of history to better understand ourselves and that is what people like VIKRAM SAMPATH, ANUJ DHAR , J SAI DEEPAK, MEENAKSHI JAIN and many others like them are doing....
Do Indian need Lord any more? Only Maghnad Desai sound soothing to our ears.
Its terrible to hear
Why cant Desai himself remove title of Lord
He must have done so much Chaplusi or Chamchagiri of Britishers that he got the title
@@bharatbharatiya4839 He is not an Indian citizen. The title "Lord" is on account of him being a member of the House of Lords, the Upper House of the British Parliament.
@@SamvedIyer So tell him to keep Lord title there and come here
Either the announcer who proudly announces word Lord or Desai have forgotten that Bharat is not under British rule
But what to say speaking English,wearing western clothes or and having Lord in front of anyone is considered Status symbol
Here the programme is called Arth means Hindi word and stylish Indian People speaking in English Strange and disgusting
@@bharatbharatiya4839 Using the word "Lord" is as normal as using the word "Justice" or "Minister" or "Secretary". It is _our_ inferiority complex that we choose to consider "Lord" as someone superior.
@@SamvedIyer i said to you to leave Lord in England
Shame U are praising Lord title who tortured and massacred 350 Crores Bharatiyas in their 250 years of rule
It may not pain u but it brings me pain when i hear Lord
W
Our biggest challenge is mixing religion with politics. If religion gets the better of any idea in the nation then India is doomed. Religious leaders should not speak politics and politicians should not speak about religion.
And that's precisely why the West and Western democracies flourish
Yesu worshippers should not preach others about 'bringing religion into politics'. Religion in politics is not the issue. Abesgamic religions which preach violence and intolerance to other humans and cultures, are the real issue
Please invite Sadhguru
#RemoveGandhiFromCurrency
Missing Dr. Ranganathan in this panel.
When you people are talking about India why not using indian language instead.
Where is swami dayanand and he is very underrated and ideal for nationalism and fight of arya samaji for freedom
People do not consider him bcz he is against islam and christinaty
poor minds discuss people, average minds discuss events, great minds discuss ideas.
And do nothing
Mr. Makarand said rightly about critical thinking, but, shouldn't we think also that we ourselves ax on our foot in past by not stopping damage of our Gurukuls, nalanda University, scriptures, real history and also temples.... Today, due to the damage in past, the current generation isn't aware about the real history and culture of bharat. They follow other culture and civilization but not Bharat's. How the bharat will became vishwaguru again. If most of the people are illiterate due to different education system which is so expensive. .... Think....
Why don't you put Gandhi ji on the line of comparison
Calling hanuman bravery as poetic is not good.