I use the saint 14 scout with strategist + kinetic tremors and max range. This is one of the best feeling scout against just everything. Its my go to for this seasons gm's.
Yeah I've had some success with Randy's, but you really need to pace your shots in order for the Kinetic Tremors to do the heavy lifting. It's usable, but it's just not good enough for me.
5:55 Only partly true. (Spirit of) Gyrfalcons gives any Void weapon volatile rounds, which is anti-barrier. Technically hunters have an anti-barrier exotic with this.
True, I thought about that, but it requires you to use a void weapon that doesn't already have a champion mod attached. It's just a bit too specific for my taste. Good call though!
@@TiggleMeTimbershow is that more specific a singular exotic? It opens up an entire category of weapons across every archetype to being antibarrier. The only void weapon type we don’t have is a rocket sidearm.
I've been feeling the same way about the anti-champ mods in the artifact this season too. Shotguns are fine and scouts are obviously better at ranges where you can't make shotguns work, but if you don't have a selection of shotguns/scouts with perks that you like that *also* match the subclass type you're building, it can make buildcrafting feel like a bit of a dead-end. You're spot on about Rev Zero though, and the point you made about it also being useful against other types of barriers in the game can't be overstated. The high powered rounds not only hit hard but it also is just a pretty cool addition to any build's gameplay loop. It's a little like two exotic weapons in one slot.
Great vid! Holy hell I hate Barriers. They are the only champ that require a prerequisite to stun with subclass verbs, and require way too much damage to break the shield. Oh and they regen health while their shield is up and also shoot you. The worst champ hands down.
@@TechStomper21 Overloads are the only ones you can't really get away with not stunning. Unstops have a lot of DR when not stunned but theyre killable, and the simple trick with barriers is to wait until they put their barrier up and then burst them down before they can deploy another, freezing also works but thats more time sensitive. Champions in general are shit artificial difficulty that discourages buildcrafting freedom because any remotely difficult content requires you to change your loadout for it. It got a bit better when subclasses gained anti champ features but its still shit.
Overloads are cake compared to Barriers in the current sandbox imo, SO many easy to access subclass keywords stun them whereas with Barriers they basically require their artifact/intrinsic stun weapons if you're not on solar/prismatic with radiant, and even then.
Thank you so much for making this video. Been using this since the beginning of last season and it’s lowkey overpowered. Kills champs in 2 bullets and does more dmg then special snipers
@@jaginovsky it’s consistency is what makes it strong. Keep in mind, you don’t absolutely have to charge up all 4 sniper bullets before switching to hunters trace. You can take out full health, stunned champs in 2-3 bullets + something else. Adding stuff like 1 kinetic surge, kinetic reloader, weaken, or raidiant and it’s just 2 bullets. It’s basically like d1 touch of malice with vorpal minus the health drain
@@NIRANDUR yeah, I agree that it’s a strong option for playing slowly. If I’m looking for something overpowered, I’m going with the ammo-less, champ-oneshotting, synthocep boosted, infinitely refreshable consecrations or liars handshake. Sick gun, not overpowered.
Did they finally fix the issue with revisions two round burst mode making the sniper nonfunctional as it can’t shoot? Had that issue a few weeks back and have let it rot in the vault since.
SIIIIGGGGGHHHHH been seeing a LOT of people saying Revision Zero is a BEAST atm. Same deal, I gotta go grab the upgrades 😑😄 Mataoidoxia is pretty good for breaking Shields & getting suspends off too. Been having a blast with the new Hunter Helmet, lots of slow, freezing & bouncy shurikens everywhere! Paired with a Rapid Hit x Headstone Disparity that's worked pretty well for me. Revision Zero + the new GL from Vespers would be a NASTY combo!
Honestly one of my favorites for a long time has been vex with radiant, not only will it rip barrier champs, but it also deletes other champs after their stunned, a chill clip weapon will set you up to handle all champs
The whole season I’ve just been using Revision Zero paired with Fire and Forget using Chill Clip. Revision Zero does enough burst damage on its own so I can just use it for the champion once its stunned, and Fire and Forget with Chill Clip is able to do quite a bit to hordes via freeze, do my energy slot is open to anything I need to cover some extra utility.
For Lament, its possible to play around it with several exotic armors, not much for warlocks, but Hunters have Renewals, and Titans have mask, lorelei, even precious scars with it's new solar verbs. Sure you still dont want to be melee in a GM nightfall but for master's LS, or stuff like legend onslaught, Lament's a fun option, just gotta finish the puzzle with some ingenuity
I think you totally misold Lament, specifically with Stronghold Titan. You are nigh on invincible wielding Lament. Massive DR and restoration x2 with Stronghold. You can walk right up to champs and there is nothing you can do.
I quickly switch to revision zero after i realize how bad is wish ender with dealing with fireballs and i pleasantly surprised how good it is just use double fire mode is far superior
I loves seeing how much growth and views you’ve been getting on the recent vids keep up the good work also I hate overload champions with a burning passion
I went through the same journey that you just described. Tried pretty much every weapon you listed and then eventually, originally quite reluctantly, tried revision zero. I previously did not like it very much. But nothing else (except for Eriana‘s vow and Mataioxoa) was fun to use and reliable and versatile But now. Wow. Revision zero really surprised me.
I have a Timeworn Wayfarer with Incandescent and Heal Clip that is quite handy for Barrier Champs. Just need to remember the reload mods as it takes about a week to reload.
I look forward to anti-barrier scout. When it rolls around, I'm taking either my (Kinetic Tremors/Rewind Rounds)/(Explosive Payload/Cascade Point) shiny Hung Jury or my Polaris Lance w/ catalyst (will break barriers and stun unstoppables). My Revision Zero or Wishender comes out when it's crappy anti-barrier artifact time.
Revision Zero has been King since Season of the Wish (S23), at the beginning of S23 Revision Zero received a damage buff against champions of 100%, that counted for the 4-burst, the 2-burst and the sniper-mode Previously with FTTC and Vorpal you needed 6 sniper shots to defeat a champion (so you had to activate FTTC), after that only 3 to kill The dps against Champions of Revision Zero was also about 50% higher than Wish-Ender's, and that was before the rpm change this season The only advantage for Wish-Ender is it does not require much skill or aim to use
I’ve actually been enjoying the pve meta change up for champions. Love going up and blasting a barrier out of his stupid ass bubble with a good ol fashioned shotgun.😄 makes it soo much more satisfying because they are my most hated champion.
This is Episode 2 Onslaught boss fight, 3 lights can spawn at the boss, collecting them all gives you and your team extremely fast ability regeneration
Best anti barrier I used was last season. Solar fulmination. Ember of char. Ember of combustion. Shoot dragons breath. Dodge to activate radiant. Barrier gone. If they aren’t gone, you now have fifteen seconds of radiant. Lucky pants/wardens law while radiant can destroy a champion in a GM with a single mag. Even if they activate their barrier while firing. But they nerfed lucky pants. And ignitions are bugged so screw me
With unstop being active in last weeks nightfall (even if it was only 3 of them all in the same place in easy spots) i couldnt bring my self to use revision despite how good it'd be just because it would mean id have to run double primary just to stun the unstops. If i didnt prioritize omni invis then i probably couldve just done this with the mask of feality to deal with em. Made blast furnace and erianas work, i really liked erianas with a shoot to loot blast furnace.
@ yeah, Bungie needs to think about making some choices for having permanent champ guns. But then if they did that, it would require them to actually get creative with artifact mods 😂😂 Hell, they could even keep weapons with intrinsic champ perks, because a lot of them would go against what you’d expect that archetype to do anyway
Even after the "changes" they made with exotic primaries doing less damage to be in line with legendaries, it still feels like I'm throwing if I don't have an exotic primary in gms
I agree that anti barrier scout is awful, because the barrier champs get ALL of their health back in less time that it takes you to reload, however... Anti barrier scout is great with kinetic tremors. The kinetic tremors from a scout will take their barrier down even while you are reloading that scout. Patron of Lost Causes scout with KT is excellent and I'd love to try Randy's Throwing Knife with KT, since it shoots so fast. Of course if you don't have a scout with KT then you can always shoot the barrier with something else and then pre-emptively switch to anti-barrier scout before the barrier goes up. But do yourself a favour, get a Patron of Lost Causes with Kinetic Tremors and be happy that barrier champs no longer cause you any grief.
I agree the options to take down champs is pretty mid, it would’ve been nice to have a barrier auto and overlord hand cannon, or something to pop glaives in the mix since I’ve barely seen anyone pick one up
Kinetic tremours scout works better than 'standard' scouts plus the Polaris Lance still smacks and can deal with barrier and unstoppables (thanks to its ignitions). Land a grenade (breach loader) on champ to weaken it, leather it with Polaris, Stylish Executioner triggers, run away laughing.
I think scout rifles are the best weapons type for barrier (with kinetic tremors + transcendance), but i also think barrier especially should have some rework on the way they are stunned... Because barriers needs weapons, you can stun overloads and unstoppables with weapons, WITH LEGENDARY WEAPONS without arrifact, and with capacities, while barriers, it's only the artifact, some exotics weapons (that personnally i don't use for the lack of add-clear and feeling compared to scouts), and verbs with the only one that is useful is radiant, and still, it's the case on hunter because you have multiple ways to get a melee back (even tho it encourages a close combat style without healing), but on warlock (don't know for titans) you don't get enough melee ability recharge to kill them without heavy ammos, and volatile and unravelling needs frags so 👎 It's just that barriers needs balancing in the ways to stun them compared to the others, there are 3 thousands ways to stun overloads, indefinitely with legendary weapons perks like jolying feedback, the verbs are the easiest to proc, at any time, and a lot of exotics that also do some add-clear(because barriers exotics exists almost only for breaking barriers shields, while for the others champs it's only a little thing added to the other perks), but barriers, no exotics primaries in the energetic slot, no weapons perks on legendary, no consistant verbs, there's a reason why we see way more wish ender, and revision zero in gm than devils ruin, le monarque, or leviathan's breath, because barriers aren't balanced in the way to stun them... I think all this ruin build crafting because we can't stun them as much as the others... Id would say they should give a weapon perk like jolting feedback that can stun barriers, or make ammunitions perks to stun champs (piercing rounds for barrier for example, it's an idea, or just pure perks for it) I don't want them to disappear, just make them as stunnable as the others, because they ruin build crafting...
I NEEEEEEEED either Artifact Mods that allow Glaives to deal with Champs OR I need an Exotic Glaive that Freezes in 1 Shot or a Strand one that Suspends with a Single Shot! Rake Angle with Replenishing Aegis + Chill-Clip & a Shield Duration MW paired with Feedback Fences, Icefall Mantle or Synthoceps has become my absolute GO TO! Stasis or Prismatic but I do slightly prefer pure Stasis. It's FUN! Glaived need some love from Bungie, make up their mind what they're actually meant to do haha. Then buff the ever living F out of the Melee Damage!! If you Suspend, Freeze, Weaken, Scorch, Jolt? The Melee should do double, triple damage even!
I could use Revision Zero to stun champs, OR I could let my teammates stun all the champs while I use Le Monarque/Buried Bloodline (I only use them cause they look cool)
Absolutely agree that this artifact is an all time turd for anti champion mods. After an episode of epic options Bungie just said here, have this Kife. RZero is a GOAT'd weapon but I've been taking Chaos into ELS/MLS when I'm farming and really love how they've taken it from a meme weapon to a useful idiot at least in certain places. Good one, Tig.
I've been in a love/hate relationship with Destiny for the past couple years, so I had no idea Revision Zero even existed. Can you still obtain it somewhere?
Tbh, I never grinded this thing out, like fully, I got the obligatory run in, but I never got all the perks craftable cause it was always literally just an anti barrier pulse, and we always had way better anti barrier options, like who's gonna get revision when anti barrier pulse makes outbreak unreal. But now I feel I got no choice, gotta grab vorpal or suffer hung jury being my only viable anti champ for the next few months
this 100000000000000000000000000% my feelings this season/episode. All these champ mods are shit house and i HATE having to make my build boring because of having to pander to annoying champions
I'd 1000% use erianas or wishender over revision zero man. One shotting barriers quickly is big when u don't have the time to land multiple shots and seeing his health regenerating. I love the concept of revision zero but it's performance is meh unfortunately
when you learn to stun champions without artifact mods, it changes the way you play... people dont have EP/KT scouts = complain people dont know how to use shotguns = complain no autoloading GLs = complain Meanwhile Vendetta does 5min GM run using 0 anti champ weapons... Proves to show who has skill and who likes to complain
I don't get the issue here. With all the Artifact Mods that make Stasis ridiculous the Champions of all types can't get through all the Ice. Bungie Loves to Tell Us How to Play!! Buck Their Trend and You Have Problems. Bungie Makes Sure of it. Check the Weekly Patch Notes for Proof. Thanks for the video.
I really dont know why yall seem to struggle with barriers. I've been accidentally breaking their shields more often than not. I dont know if i'm just a 1 in a million but I really dont struggle with barriers. Like unironically.
Calling the best anti barrier weapon at the moment (erianas) "just okay" but mentions trash that got nerfed to the ground like arbalest.. that has to be a satire of actual helpful video. Also wishender is straight up better than revision zero for a GM setting cause you can strafeshot behind cover without losing DPS while revision needs you to keep sight 100% of the time during dealing damage.
Notice the damage difference between a Grandmaster and a Lost Sector vs. champions? I want to like Revision Zero but when you need a minimum of 3 sniper rounds to kill a champion, which by the way the targeting data amount is based on RESILENCE..try killing a red bar in any other activity and you'll notice one needs almost 10 red bar kills to get ONE sniper round. This weapon needs another buff and Bungie should revisit the conditions to proc Volatile and Unraveling rounds against Barrier champions (seriously is a player really going to get a melee kill with a Hunter Threaded Spike, in a Grandmaster, to activate Unraveling rounds?)
It doesn't need a buff. You have the 2 burst mode, which kills red bars fast, and deals the best single target primary weapon damage against champs in the game without the sniper mode. If you want faster sniper shots, chose the 4 burst mode which collects more shots but less damage. The weapon is a workhorse.
@gabrieltorres6633 As a pulse with free sniper rounds, earned after eternity, it's definitely the best primary without a question. My thing is there are not enough RELIABLE anti barrier non exotic options, other than radiant, for builds.
I just know this has to be satire. Calling Erianas 'just okay' is laughable. It will break a barrier in one shot, and on top of that causes an ignition, and the catalyst gives it auto loading so you dont even need to think to use it. Not to mention all the different ways we have to bully champions in general, they have never been less threatening.
My hung jury with kinetic tremors and explosive playload says otherwise.
A scout with kinetic tremors breaks shield in similar speed
I use the saint 14 scout with strategist + kinetic tremors and max range. This is one of the best feeling scout against just everything. Its my go to for this seasons gm's.
Randy's thowing knife, Patron of Lost Causes, and Hung jury are all good options with kinetic tremors.
Yeah I've had some success with Randy's, but you really need to pace your shots in order for the Kinetic Tremors to do the heavy lifting. It's usable, but it's just not good enough for me.
Not a fan of scouts with kinetic, feel weak af.
Kinetic tremors explosive payload hung jury. My beloved scout 🔥
5:55 Only partly true. (Spirit of) Gyrfalcons gives any Void weapon volatile rounds, which is anti-barrier. Technically hunters have an anti-barrier exotic with this.
True, I thought about that, but it requires you to use a void weapon that doesn't already have a champion mod attached. It's just a bit too specific for my taste. Good call though!
@@TiggleMeTimbershow is that more specific a singular exotic? It opens up an entire category of weapons across every archetype to being antibarrier. The only void weapon type we don’t have is a rocket sidearm.
We do actually…buried bloodline
I've been feeling the same way about the anti-champ mods in the artifact this season too. Shotguns are fine and scouts are obviously better at ranges where you can't make shotguns work, but if you don't have a selection of shotguns/scouts with perks that you like that *also* match the subclass type you're building, it can make buildcrafting feel like a bit of a dead-end.
You're spot on about Rev Zero though, and the point you made about it also being useful against other types of barriers in the game can't be overstated. The high powered rounds not only hit hard but it also is just a pretty cool addition to any build's gameplay loop. It's a little like two exotic weapons in one slot.
two words, polaris lance (it isn't intrinsically anti barrier but with seasonal mod it is now, not to mention ignitions for anti-unstop)
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Great vid!
Holy hell I hate Barriers. They are the only champ that require a prerequisite to stun with subclass verbs, and require way too much damage to break the shield. Oh and they regen health while their shield is up and also shoot you.
The worst champ hands down.
i'd say overloads are worse xD
like maybe that's just cause i run titan xD
@@TechStomper21 Overloads are the only ones you can't really get away with not stunning. Unstops have a lot of DR when not stunned but theyre killable, and the simple trick with barriers is to wait until they put their barrier up and then burst them down before they can deploy another, freezing also works but thats more time sensitive. Champions in general are shit artificial difficulty that discourages buildcrafting freedom because any remotely difficult content requires you to change your loadout for it. It got a bit better when subclasses gained anti champ features but its still shit.
We just gonna ignore overloads ignoring game mechanics?
@thenewseorarek9625 yeah exactly xD
Overloads are cake compared to Barriers in the current sandbox imo, SO many easy to access subclass keywords stun them whereas with Barriers they basically require their artifact/intrinsic stun weapons if you're not on solar/prismatic with radiant, and even then.
don't forget the chill clip weapons! riptide, liturgy, rake angle, critical anomaly, etc. they all can deal with both overlord and unstopable
You forgot about gyrfalcons and rain of fire, giving volatile and radiant respectfully
Facts instant volitile
anti barrier choir 🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑
Thank you so much for making this video. Been using this since the beginning of last season and it’s lowkey overpowered. Kills champs in 2 bullets and does more dmg then special snipers
It’s strong, sure, but it’s slow as hell. Overpowered is consecration titan. This is merely a consistent, slow option.
@@jaginovsky it’s consistency is what makes it strong. Keep in mind, you don’t absolutely have to charge up all 4 sniper bullets before switching to hunters trace. You can take out full health, stunned champs in 2-3 bullets + something else. Adding stuff like 1 kinetic surge, kinetic reloader, weaken, or raidiant and it’s just 2 bullets. It’s basically like d1 touch of malice with vorpal minus the health drain
@@NIRANDUR yeah, I agree that it’s a strong option for playing slowly. If I’m looking for something overpowered, I’m going with the ammo-less, champ-oneshotting, synthocep boosted, infinitely refreshable consecrations or liars handshake.
Sick gun, not overpowered.
@@jaginovsky I mean you cant even use that since ignitions are bugged. Abd not everyone is a titan
Did they finally fix the issue with revisions two round burst mode making the sniper nonfunctional as it can’t shoot? Had that issue a few weeks back and have let it rot in the vault since.
@@T0mBr1dg3 They did indeed fix it.
@@TiggleMeTimbers love to hear it, thank you
Been using wish ender for years now in GMs but you definitely opened my eyes. Now I just gotta go grab those catalysts for RZ 🤣🙃
That 4-Times Refit goes crazy. Definitely worth it!
@@TiggleMeTimberslol I only have up to vorpal 💀 I gotta wait 4 weeks for 4-times refit
SIIIIGGGGGHHHHH been seeing a LOT of people saying Revision Zero is a BEAST atm. Same deal, I gotta go grab the upgrades 😑😄
Mataoidoxia is pretty good for breaking Shields & getting suspends off too.
Been having a blast with the new Hunter Helmet, lots of slow, freezing & bouncy shurikens everywhere! Paired with a Rapid Hit x Headstone Disparity that's worked pretty well for me.
Revision Zero + the new GL from Vespers would be a NASTY combo!
Honestly one of my favorites for a long time has been vex with radiant, not only will it rip barrier champs, but it also deletes other champs after their stunned, a chill clip weapon will set you up to handle all champs
The whole season I’ve just been using Revision Zero paired with Fire and Forget using Chill Clip. Revision Zero does enough burst damage on its own so I can just use it for the champion once its stunned, and Fire and Forget with Chill Clip is able to do quite a bit to hordes via freeze, do my energy slot is open to anything I need to cover some extra utility.
For Lament, its possible to play around it with several exotic armors, not much for warlocks, but Hunters have Renewals, and Titans have mask, lorelei, even precious scars with it's new solar verbs.
Sure you still dont want to be melee in a GM nightfall but for master's LS, or stuff like legend onslaught, Lament's a fun option, just gotta finish the puzzle with some ingenuity
Titans can use lament with extreme aggressive play style in gms with strongholds need practice tho
Titans are like the only ones that can be hyper aggressive in GMs because of consecration
I think you totally misold Lament, specifically with Stronghold Titan. You are nigh on invincible wielding Lament. Massive DR and restoration x2 with Stronghold. You can walk right up to champs and there is nothing you can do.
*they can do
Revison Zero is the GOAT. Mercules is a god for bringing us this gun.
I quickly switch to revision zero after i realize how bad is wish ender with dealing with fireballs and i pleasantly surprised how good it is just use double fire mode is far superior
I loves seeing how much growth and views you’ve been getting on the recent vids keep up the good work also I hate overload champions with a burning passion
I recently tried using DMT because of barrier scout. Worked surprisingly well.
I went through the same journey that you just described. Tried pretty much every weapon you listed and then eventually, originally quite reluctantly, tried revision zero. I previously did not like it very much. But nothing else (except for Eriana‘s vow and Mataioxoa) was fun to use and reliable and versatile
But now. Wow. Revision zero really surprised me.
Can you do a video of the best Revision Zero craft perks?
Transfiguration with Kinetic Tremors is my go to with barriers. the kinetic trembers damage actually works on the barrier as well
Most people use the Liturgy to freeze unstops etc. This shares a slot the RZ. This means you're better off with the Polaris lance for barrier.
I have a Timeworn Wayfarer with Incandescent and Heal Clip that is quite handy for Barrier Champs.
Just need to remember the reload mods as it takes about a week to reload.
I look forward to anti-barrier scout. When it rolls around, I'm taking either my (Kinetic Tremors/Rewind Rounds)/(Explosive Payload/Cascade Point) shiny Hung Jury or my Polaris Lance w/ catalyst (will break barriers and stun unstoppables). My Revision Zero or Wishender comes out when it's crappy anti-barrier artifact time.
Thanks man
Ill dust it off and put in the oil
Some polishing and than try to use it again 😅
Revision Zero has been King since Season of the Wish (S23), at the beginning of S23 Revision Zero received a damage buff against champions of 100%, that counted for the 4-burst, the 2-burst and the sniper-mode
Previously with FTTC and Vorpal you needed 6 sniper shots to defeat a champion (so you had to activate FTTC), after that only 3 to kill
The dps against Champions of Revision Zero was also about 50% higher than Wish-Ender's, and that was before the rpm change this season
The only advantage for Wish-Ender is it does not require much skill or aim to use
If you can build around the self damage touch of malice obliterates barriers
Is the 2 burst better than the 4 burst?
salvation's grip stomps every champion
I’ve actually been enjoying the pve meta change up for champions. Love going up and blasting a barrier out of his stupid ass bubble with a good ol fashioned shotgun.😄 makes it soo much more satisfying because they are my most hated champion.
What are the perks of each column in the revision you use?
@@mightyg1820 Vorpal and Fourth Time.
WTF was the infinite shirukens at the end, that's what I want to know...
This is Episode 2 Onslaught boss fight, 3 lights can spawn at the boss, collecting them all gives you and your team extremely fast ability regeneration
hunters do have an anti barrier exotic...of sort thanks to gyrfalcon's volatile rounds
revision zero is GOATED 🐐🐐🐐🐐
Best anti barrier I used was last season. Solar fulmination. Ember of char. Ember of combustion. Shoot dragons breath. Dodge to activate radiant. Barrier gone. If they aren’t gone, you now have fifteen seconds of radiant. Lucky pants/wardens law while radiant can destroy a champion in a GM with a single mag. Even if they activate their barrier while firing. But they nerfed lucky pants. And ignitions are bugged so screw me
With unstop being active in last weeks nightfall (even if it was only 3 of them all in the same place in easy spots) i couldnt bring my self to use revision despite how good it'd be just because it would mean id have to run double primary just to stun the unstops. If i didnt prioritize omni invis then i probably couldve just done this with the mask of feality to deal with em. Made blast furnace and erianas work, i really liked erianas with a shoot to loot blast furnace.
but i have a question.. the revision zero can stun unsttopable champions too this season?
@@bancerx12 Nope. Unfortunately only barriers.
I love champions and banes. I just wish banes gave an extra revive like champions do
They're a cool idea, but being at the mercy of the artifact mods is very frustrating. The bane enemies I think are a much more fun enemy to fight.
@ yeah, Bungie needs to think about making some choices for having permanent champ guns. But then if they did that, it would require them to actually get creative with artifact mods 😂😂
Hell, they could even keep weapons with intrinsic champ perks, because a lot of them would go against what you’d expect that archetype to do anyway
Even after the "changes" they made with exotic primaries doing less damage to be in line with legendaries, it still feels like I'm throwing if I don't have an exotic primary in gms
Everything feels like throwing after playing consecration titan
I agree that anti barrier scout is awful, because the barrier champs get ALL of their health back in less time that it takes you to reload, however...
Anti barrier scout is great with kinetic tremors. The kinetic tremors from a scout will take their barrier down even while you are reloading that scout.
Patron of Lost Causes scout with KT is excellent and I'd love to try Randy's Throwing Knife with KT, since it shoots so fast.
Of course if you don't have a scout with KT then you can always shoot the barrier with something else and then pre-emptively switch to anti-barrier scout before the barrier goes up.
But do yourself a favour, get a Patron of Lost Causes with Kinetic Tremors and be happy that barrier champs no longer cause you any grief.
I agree the options to take down champs is pretty mid, it would’ve been nice to have a barrier auto and overlord hand cannon, or something to pop glaives in the mix since I’ve barely seen anyone pick one up
Kinetic tremours scout works better than 'standard' scouts plus the Polaris Lance still smacks and can deal with barrier and unstoppables (thanks to its ignitions). Land a grenade (breach loader) on champ to weaken it, leather it with Polaris, Stylish Executioner triggers, run away laughing.
Wicked implement 👍
Scouts don't reliably break barriers... 😂😂😂
I think scout rifles are the best weapons type for barrier (with kinetic tremors + transcendance), but i also think barrier especially should have some rework on the way they are stunned...
Because barriers needs weapons, you can stun overloads and unstoppables with weapons, WITH LEGENDARY WEAPONS without arrifact, and with capacities, while barriers, it's only the artifact, some exotics weapons (that personnally i don't use for the lack of add-clear and feeling compared to scouts), and verbs with the only one that is useful is radiant, and still, it's the case on hunter because you have multiple ways to get a melee back (even tho it encourages a close combat style without healing), but on warlock (don't know for titans) you don't get enough melee ability recharge to kill them without heavy ammos, and volatile and unravelling needs frags so 👎
It's just that barriers needs balancing in the ways to stun them compared to the others, there are 3 thousands ways to stun overloads, indefinitely with legendary weapons perks like jolying feedback, the verbs are the easiest to proc, at any time, and a lot of exotics that also do some add-clear(because barriers exotics exists almost only for breaking barriers shields, while for the others champs it's only a little thing added to the other perks), but barriers, no exotics primaries in the energetic slot, no weapons perks on legendary, no consistant verbs, there's a reason why we see way more wish ender, and revision zero in gm than devils ruin, le monarque, or leviathan's breath, because barriers aren't balanced in the way to stun them...
I think all this ruin build crafting because we can't stun them as much as the others...
Id would say they should give a weapon perk like jolting feedback that can stun barriers, or make ammunitions perks to stun champs (piercing rounds for barrier for example, it's an idea, or just pure perks for it)
I don't want them to disappear, just make them as stunnable as the others, because they ruin build crafting...
I NEEEEEEEED either Artifact Mods that allow Glaives to deal with Champs OR I need an Exotic Glaive that Freezes in 1 Shot or a Strand one that Suspends with a Single Shot!
Rake Angle with Replenishing Aegis + Chill-Clip & a Shield Duration MW paired with Feedback Fences, Icefall Mantle or Synthoceps has become my absolute GO TO! Stasis or Prismatic but I do slightly prefer pure Stasis. It's FUN! Glaived need some love from Bungie, make up their mind what they're actually meant to do haha. Then buff the ever living F out of the Melee Damage!! If you Suspend, Freeze, Weaken, Scorch, Jolt? The Melee should do double, triple damage even!
Did Bungie fix revision zero’s sniper mode lock-up bug?
Only in the last week or two.
KT Randy’s w/ rapid hit and back up mag, ‘nough said. Solo barrier chumps easily without taking an exotic slot. KT Patron a close second.
you can not use lament against champoin in gms ? if so i feel it is a skill issue with all respect brother
I could use Revision Zero to stun champs, OR I could let my teammates stun all the champs while I use Le Monarque/Buried Bloodline (I only use them cause they look cool)
The two round burst sucks so much. I always use the four round burst. Does way more damage and gets sniper round way faster.
Absolutely agree that this artifact is an all time turd for anti champion mods. After an episode of epic options Bungie just said here, have this Kife. RZero is a GOAT'd weapon but I've been taking Chaos into ELS/MLS when I'm farming and really love how they've taken it from a meme weapon to a useful idiot at least in certain places. Good one, Tig.
I've been in a love/hate relationship with Destiny for the past couple years, so I had no idea Revision Zero even existed. Can you still obtain it somewhere?
@@Powerslide15 Yep! It rotates around in the weekly exotic mission!
Tbh, I never grinded this thing out, like fully, I got the obligatory run in, but I never got all the perks craftable cause it was always literally just an anti barrier pulse, and we always had way better anti barrier options, like who's gonna get revision when anti barrier pulse makes outbreak unreal. But now I feel I got no choice, gotta grab vorpal or suffer hung jury being my only viable anti champ for the next few months
Doesn’t stagger unstop champions even with unstoppable pulse equipped
salv grip
cus why let them do anything lol
Love the video but please turn down the bg music or not use any its very distracting❤
this 100000000000000000000000000% my feelings this season/episode. All these champ mods are shit house and i HATE having to make my build boring because of having to pander to annoying champions
I'd 1000% use erianas or wishender over revision zero man. One shotting barriers quickly is big when u don't have the time to land multiple shots and seeing his health regenerating. I love the concept of revision zero but it's performance is meh unfortunately
Nah lament with a good stronghold build can do good in gm
Scout Rife doesn't do enough damage to break a Barrier Champion Shield, LOL! Seriously 🤣🤣🤣🤣
when you learn to stun champions without artifact mods, it changes the way you play...
people dont have EP/KT scouts = complain
people dont know how to use shotguns = complain
no autoloading GLs = complain
Meanwhile Vendetta does 5min GM run using 0 anti champ weapons... Proves to show who has skill and who likes to complain
I don't get the issue here. With all the Artifact Mods that make Stasis ridiculous the Champions of all types can't get through all the Ice. Bungie Loves to Tell Us How to Play!! Buck Their Trend and You Have Problems. Bungie Makes Sure of it. Check the Weekly Patch Notes for Proof. Thanks for the video.
Tiggle
Wiggle
Revision revision zero chunks champs
Vex wyverns are worse than champs imo
Honestly they would be easier to deal with as a unstoppable champ
You Hate Wishender. 🤪
I really dont know why yall seem to struggle with barriers.
I've been accidentally breaking their shields more often than not. I dont know if i'm just a 1 in a million but I really dont struggle with barriers.
Like unironically.
Polaris is great in this season crap artifact.
Calling the best anti barrier weapon at the moment (erianas) "just okay" but mentions trash that got nerfed to the ground like arbalest.. that has to be a satire of actual helpful video.
Also wishender is straight up better than revision zero for a GM setting cause you can strafeshot behind cover without losing DPS while revision needs you to keep sight 100% of the time during dealing damage.
I always get annoyed seeing people run Wish Ender when Revision Zero is so much better.
Notice the damage difference between a Grandmaster and a Lost Sector vs. champions?
I want to like Revision Zero but when you need a minimum of 3 sniper rounds to kill a champion, which by the way the targeting data amount is based on RESILENCE..try killing a red bar in any other activity and you'll notice one needs almost 10 red bar kills to get ONE sniper round.
This weapon needs another buff and Bungie should revisit the conditions to proc Volatile and Unraveling rounds against Barrier champions (seriously is a player really going to get a melee kill with a Hunter Threaded Spike, in a Grandmaster, to activate Unraveling rounds?)
It doesn't need a buff. You have the 2 burst mode, which kills red bars fast, and deals the best single target primary weapon damage against champs in the game without the sniper mode. If you want faster sniper shots, chose the 4 burst mode which collects more shots but less damage. The weapon is a workhorse.
@gabrieltorres6633 Did you read what I posted?
@@mondaymeatloaf my fault gang
@gabrieltorres6633 As a pulse with free sniper rounds, earned after eternity, it's definitely the best primary without a question.
My thing is there are not enough RELIABLE anti barrier non exotic options, other than radiant, for builds.
I just know this has to be satire. Calling Erianas 'just okay' is laughable. It will break a barrier in one shot, and on top of that causes an ignition, and the catalyst gives it auto loading so you dont even need to think to use it. Not to mention all the different ways we have to bully champions in general, they have never been less threatening.
Or better , uninstall
why r u on this video then
@kixxlies exactly, effing UA-cam won't stop pushing trash games via their algorithm.