Oh my! Her statement about one group judging and one group praying- my exact experience! And sitting in church, tears pouring down my face as I realized GOD and GRACE! One of the very first songs sung was Amazing Grace- My Chains Are Gone, to this day I cry every time I sing the song with hands lifted high!.
I enjoyed this very much, when we left the meetings know one reached out and we felt alone and it was hurtful, but as I go on I see that this is not just me, many have had the same experience. It's sad as we know Jesus reached out in love to all. I'm finding my way and have gotten a new bible and I feel closer to God now than ever before.. Thankful for all the help from others.
Why did you bother leaving if you expected everyone to run after you? Then don't leave! Cry baby! You don't give the full story anyway. So many crying that no one contacted them. But THEY chose to leave. Move on. But none of you can, can you? You have to make videos and share with the world about the terrible meetings for the rest of your lives. Find forgiveness and move on at the very least. Your hurt, bitterness and unforgiveness are not going to get you anywhere near Heaven. So find a new "ministry". You complain about the meetings running down other churches, then you leave and run down the meetings. How are you different then? NO different.
What a lovely & inspiring interview! If God can rescue people from a 70 year involvement in a false religion, then there is hope & strength for anyone who is willing to step out of the box. God truly is big & amazing!
Laurel and Loren, thank you for being transparent and opening your hearts. How sad it is that the workers and men’s minds are so twisted. I’m so sorry. We had meeting in our home on Wednesday nights growing up. My parents divorced when I was 17. I left meetings at that time. Dad told me “oh no you’re not young lady!” I said, “yes I am. Who are you to judge!” Dad was one of those men who groped women… many women. He had a love affair in our home, in front of my sweet mom with a woman who went to our meeting. His mother, my Granny, was so sick, she covered for him and later apologized to my mom, before Granny died. He told mom she was imagining things and tried to have her committed to a mental hospital. That means I was too, I guess, because I know what I saw. Only, I wasn’t and she wasn’t and to keep her sanity, Mom filed for a divorce. Then after growing up in meetings all of her life, she did not know how to make it out there as an outcast. It stayed hidden in the way. No one knew why they divorced. As an older woman, I finally told one of the other women in the meetings that I love to this day and confirmed that she was one of the women dad had groped years earlier. There were many! He did that into his elderly years. No one ever said anything to him to my knowledge. In fact, as an older man, after mom died, he remarried and the workers gave him meeting in his home again. Mom disappeared from our lives for many years and at one time was homeless. She finally got her life together and became the woman I knew my beautiful mother to be and we were very close at the end of her life. She was always beautiful to me! It makes me cry to know how you both have been treated and the mental aspect for you, Laurel. I wish I could hug you both. I’m so glad God gave us the real truth in our hearts and we followed it with courage! Love from my heart, Elizabeth
I'm so glad you found the Real truth...which is Jesus and not the workers. So. All these arrested workers, what if someone professed thru one of the evil ones. Are they lost?
@@RobertaWaller-w6xI don’t believe anyone who acknowledges the real truth can be lost, no. Who a person professes through doesn’t matter. It should never have mattered. They are not God.
I love this couple. Thank you for the interview. God is Great. It is true God is leading us into so much more. My heart is so encouraged from this interview. Thank you Laurel and Loren. Thank you David for being the bridge to introduce us to them. 🇨🇦🤠🇺🇸
I wish these interviews were up years ago when I was starting to attend the church I go to now. There’s so much I have in common when having a-ha moments once you hear doctrine that is different. Specifically in this interview, the idea that Jesus has already won the battle-this was so contrary to what we were taught, but so reassuring once I realized that it is indeed what the Bible says! Thank you for providing friends with stories in common
Thank you David Alink for your series of interviews with wonderful people such as Loren and Laurel. My wife and I live in New Zealand and have been so blessed to watch and listen to these testimonies of people being saved out of false religions into brought into relationship with God through faith in our Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ. Years ago I left the Roman Catholic church and for a long time felt that I was in danger of losing my eternal salvation. God is so good, He persisted with my weakness and drew me into a loving relationship. Now I see His hand of blessing constantly at work and give Him thanks for the small but wondrous things He does. May God richly bless you and your dear wife. Don
All I ever knew was Sunday morning meeting, and Wednesday night, Bible study and special meetings and gospel, meetings and convention and much of my family
Really enjoyed this interview. Laurel, I hope we get to meet in person some day. We've had some contact way back when we were homeschooling. Then the quilt swap with Stitches in Thyme. We have two of your creations that we display in our home. And knitted dishcloths! And we weren't far from you last year when we went to what turned out to be our last convention, at Chugwater, of all places, with friends from Wyoming. We had those same, glance at each other and go, "what?" moments there. We left meetings entirely soon after. And rejoice in the liberty in Christ and God's gift, through grace, and our faith in what Jesus accomplished on the cross.
What a heartwarming video. Thank you so much for doing these videos David, I really appreciate hearing these stories and happiness from those that have left ❤️
What a wonderful couple. Thank you for sharing your story and David, thank you for all your interviews. Absolute shame on all those workers who chose to support the perpetrator.
Loved this interview...laughed and cried right along with them! Such a great couple, I want to hang out with them! I propose a g2g for all the interviewees... 😉
Such a helpful interview. Thank you Laurel and Loren for telling your story. And to David of course for conducting it. It's lovely to feel finally, that we are not alone out here. God bless all. xx 🙏🙏🙏
What a wonderful couple, I was raised in the TRUTH AND WAY, now I am free, thank you Jesus, for my freedom, May our Lord and Savior, ,lead others to the light.
This all feels so surreal to me because I never saw any of this bad stuff, but I can attest to all of the rest. I haven’t been to any kind of meeting for at least four years, but sometimes for my mom, I would go back to convention to see all of my cousins, which were very many All I ever knew was the truth since the time I was born
What a wonderful interview. Listening with my husband from South Africa, we've been out for a week now, this channel helps us so much. God is so huge....I will take that away from this interview.
Laurel! Good to see you , my BSF friend! Loved your spaghetti miracle! Glad you two have found peace and joy and are enjoying a closer walk with God. Cherie Kropp
I'm still in fellowship, but can appreciate your perspective. I'm especially sorry your perp was not dealt with, that is so wrong. And I'm sorry you weren't believed. God is way bigger than the little box we have put him in. ❤ I will still be your friend if our paths cross one day.
I'm sorry you are still going to meetings. When they preach works instead of grace and Christ alone they are a stumbling block and deceiving many. I will pray for you.
You might find it eye-opening to do an in-depth study on the deity of Christ. There are very many references. I was astounded and deeply humbled to realize that it was not just a good man who died on the cross to rescue me, but it was God Himself!
Evidence of God’s rescue from the 2x2s in my life is reassuring to my heart. This was an anchor to my perseverance being able to let go and forgive. Forgiveness was for my heart so forgiveness of self, and family and others knowing that we were in the same boat as I. I appreciated that I was one that responded to Gods guidance to His grace.
8,000+ views in 7 days. Your story wants to be heard. And thank you for sharing names. People need to hear how cases like yours were handled and by who. My guess is very few cases were not reported to the workers. That means that the 700 (?) perps have been reported 1,000's of times to the same few head workers. The perps are responsible for their actions. The workers, IMO, are responsible for it happening more than once. I hope others come forward after hearing your story. Not all victims are children.
I was halfway thru this video before I realized that you are Carmel Case's parents! My daughter and I are in Missoula and left about 2 months ago. We were in union mtg with your family here.
Hello from Germany. I left the Roman Catholic church in my early twenties to join a community of the brethren. There was spiritual abuse but because of my difficult family background I could not stop this as I would do today. My husband was an elder but I left with my children to go to other church meetings on sunday. It was a gard decision for me because I thought that the community and god were the same. My feelings were that it would cost me all even God. It was a surprise for me that God spoke to me at other places too. My husband left a few weeks later with me. Yes God is so much bigger. Thank you for your testimony. Be courageous to share it again and again. Blessings.❤
"We gave sermonettes." Amen. I sat spiritually impovershed for years, explaining scripture to fellow spirtually impovershed people. I found the first thing I needed to do when I left meetings was to shut up and listen. I had nothing to teach anyone. So proud of you guys! Advice to anyone in meeting? "Get out." Amen. There is no good left in this church. Just separation from actual Christians.
Great video. I grew up in the truth in the southern US but never professed. I really never bought in to the truth and was always taking back by being told this is the only way to get to heaven by my parents. My moms family has been in the truth for a few generations. My parents and other family still go to meeting every Sunday and Wednesday. I watch my younger brother and all my younger cousins profess at convention. I always had questions that no one could answer and I always felt that I was not supposed to ask. I stopped going to meetings as soon as I could. I felt like in a lot of special meetings from the time I was 13-18 that the workers were there just to try and preach to me and to get me to profess. I am a very head strong person and was never ever even close to professing. I started to just tell them they were wasting there time but just sat through it. I hated it and would beg my mom and dad to let me go to a church with my friends and they never gave in and I stood my ground as well. I do have a relationship with God but for along time I am not sure I really believed in anything. For along time when I was asked about going to church I would always say I was taking time off for time served. I feel like “the truth” and the way my situation was handled kind of burnt me on any organized religion. I don’t want to sound like it’s terrible because it’s not they are some really good people in the truth and I still see and talk to some of them every week or so, it was just not for me. Thanks again for your content.
Thank you, I don’t need those questions answered anymore because they were all about “the truth” and I never plan on going back. After spending most of my 20s and 30s in the Middle East and witnessing the things men are able to do to each 😊
Sorry that got cut off. Bottom line I lost faith in God, I had faith in my skills as a war fighter and my brothers there frighting with me. I didn’t have a relationship with God again until my little girl was born. I spent so many years living life one min at a time and worrying about what’s around that next corner and working the problems in my 3ft circle. I pray every night to be forgiven for me for my sins and there are alot of them.
Ditto.... i was going to hell when i left.... i never professed... left at 19... was groped by an uncle who i later found out was abusing his oldest daughter. I always felt weird around him even as a kid. Creep. Also my friend who recently passed, told me her father and brother abused her as well. Funny i never liked him either... From Australia. Xxx to you all who left...
Impressive testimony, one thing that always sticks out with me from videos is how contrary to Jesus' teaching things can get. The lack of transparency in service and teachings is a huge red flag.
I am surprised to learn of this group. I never heard of them before. I am familiar with the Mormans, 7th Day Adventist, Amish, Moonies but never knew of this group.
Our school actually called the house and said to give us each a Christmas present so when our classmates had an answer as to what they recieved , we would have an answer.
My wife was raised reformed baptist, and they prayed for people by name all the time. She doesn't share anything with her mom b/c we'll just end up on a prayer list. She said it's just a justified way of gossiping, and I can totally see it.
David, you mentioned the change in the wording of the hymns. I hope you will look into that and share the info you find! I have been looking at that too. I looked at all the hymns that were removed in 1987 when the current hymn book came out, and most of them were about grace. If you look at the hymn "Steady and True" (#227) in the old hymn book, in the chorus it says "race" we have begun. In the new (current) hymn book the word race was changed to "work." (#339) Thank you for your interviews!!!
My recollection of growing up in this fellowship was that it was a fellowship of fear. In fact my father on his deathbed after a lifetime of devotion, was terrified. No comfort to be found other than me laying beside him holding his hand.
What is this "fellowship" ? I've never heard of "meetings". I've been a Christian for many years and what is this? What are the "workers"? My husband was a pastor in independent Christian churches for 30 years. Would you clarify this? Mennonite? AMISH, WHAT? Thanks for your upcoming answer. God bless!
@@charhunt39 You can read all about it if you google 2x2 religion. Just be aware that it's actually a money laundering sex ring. Sadly they kept us so busy going to meetings that we didn't see it for what it is. A cult. It was invented in Ireland in late 18th century. The workers are what they call their ministers. Not sure where that started. Count yourself lucky to not have been entrapped in this cult.
Thank you for your videos and sharing this story. I totally agree with how some of these groups believe "Forgiveness means sweeping it under the rug" I do not belong to a church and haven't in my four years of following Jesus and visiting several local churches every Sunday. I did study with a pretty conservative group of followers and am seeing some of the same legalism. I don't believe Jesus ever asked of these things or required it for our salvation. I have been torn trying to be part of some of these churches because of man's teachings vs. Jesus teachings. I just can't stay and fellowship when I know this is not what Jesus taught. It can be very lonely to follow Jesus but I know that He will bring me true followers to fellowship with, it can't be forced, It's what I pray for. I now know that my salvation is in Jesus only and I have been added to His church that He said He would build, not a 501c3, man made institution, who pays a preacher to preach. Jesus is my only teacher, Rabbi and I listen and follow the guidance of the helper, the Holy Spirit that He said He would send. That being said, my husband and I read the Bible together, worship together and pray together and we find that is the best way for us right now. Jesus will bring us what we need when He decides. Praise Jesus always, love and blessings to my brothers and sisters in Christ.
We're "working" because we love our father. My kids try and please me all the time. Do they want a good relationship or a bad relationship, either way they're my children. It's the same kind of relationship with our father in heaven. My kids also know my rules, and if they disobey me, then they get chastised. That's the same thing that God will do to his children. Hebrews 12;5-8
David, I'm enthralled with your content and you present so well in each and every video you post!(that I've viewed so far.)Anyway, I was curious about your channel name David Alink, I am assuming that is your sir name. But then I thought a bit more and said to myself "that could be a made-up name" A link(which is a perfect channel name!)Because absolutely every channel out there, constantly links with other sites of similar subect matter. So, which is true, real or, made-up?
They believe they are the only ones saved!! Works, and then, only if you are lucky. They don't believe in the gift of eternal life thru Jesus shed blood.
As far as Bible versions…. Over 30 years ago, someone gave me a Newberry Bible, which is KJV with corrections/alternate readings. From that, I learned the KJV was not perfect and without error. More recently, I have begun to read The Scriptures (Institute for Scripture Research). Another excellent translation of the second part of the Bible is called The Messianic Writings translated by Daniel Gruber. It has lots of interesting notes and explanations. I highly recommend these two. I have recently been exposed to the 1560 Geneva Bible, which is apparently what the Pilgrims and others of that time period read. Someone is reading it aloud online, comparing it to the Hebrew and also a modern translation. I want to get a copy of the 1560 Geneva Bible. It is quite interesting. Another that is a literal translation is Young’s literal translation. I bought a copy. It was affordable. The reason is the print is so small and the format so crammed in, that it’s difficult to read.
I ordered a Geneva bible and it was the same as a NIV and none of the omitted chapters or books... I was really disappointed. I've since ordered a the book that is totally those books. .. I've not started on it yet, but will.
Matthew 18:20KJV…For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. God’s relationship with every person is PERSONAL. Two can be you and God, can be this couple with God, or could be more people gathered together studying God’s scriptures. The situation this couple went through could be the best thing that ever happened to them in their life. They aren’t people pleasers, but want to do the right thing to please God. The Bible says in John 3:7KJV…Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. Your first birth is a water birth (your mother’s womb), the second birth is spiritual birth (spiritually baptized into the body of Christ). Simple presentation of the Gospel….1-Every person is a sinner Romans 3:10,11,12KJV 10-As it is written, There is none righteous, no not one: 11-There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 12-They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Romans 3:23KJV…For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. 2-The price of sin…. Romans 6:23KJV…For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Revelation 20:14KJV…And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. (The price of sin). 3-Jesus Christ paid our sin debt. Romans 5:8KJV….But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 4-We sinners must receive Jesus Christ by an act of faith. Romans 10:9,10KJV…9-That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10-For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Romans 10:13KJV…For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. I absolutely loved this video, and hope for God’s abundant blessings on the presenter and this lovely couple.❤❤❤
One thing I keep wondering in these interviews is …. Did the two by two children go to “public” schools? It sounds like it. I’m surprised if that’s the case.
Your videos are such a one sided affair. You not interested in anything else but your narrative and if one doesn't agree, you just delete the message. I can see these folks must be super happy in their new church with all the things they still don't agree with even there. Good luck, been there, done that!
Lol, you did see that David had to crawl in under the caker wires, didn't you. At our house, that exempts the passenger - which is usually me 😊 - from opening the gates. 👍
Oh my! Her statement about one group judging and one group praying- my exact experience! And sitting in church, tears pouring down my face as I realized GOD and GRACE! One of the very first songs sung was Amazing Grace- My Chains Are Gone, to this day I cry every time I sing the song with hands lifted high!.
I enjoyed this very much, when we left the meetings know one reached out and we felt alone and it was hurtful, but as I go on I see that this is not just me, many have had the same experience. It's sad as we know Jesus reached out in love to all. I'm finding my way and have gotten a new bible and I feel closer to God now than ever before.. Thankful for all the help from others.
Why did you bother leaving if you expected everyone to run after you? Then don't leave! Cry baby! You don't give the full story anyway. So many crying that no one contacted them. But THEY chose to leave. Move on. But none of you can, can you? You have to make videos and share with the world about the terrible meetings for the rest of your lives. Find forgiveness and move on at the very least. Your hurt, bitterness and unforgiveness are not going to get you anywhere near Heaven. So find a new "ministry". You complain about the meetings running down other churches, then you leave and run down the meetings. How are you different then? NO different.
What a lovely & inspiring interview! If God can rescue people from a 70 year involvement in a false religion, then there is hope & strength for anyone who is willing to step out of the box. God truly is big & amazing!
Laurel and Loren, thank you for being transparent and opening your hearts. How sad it is that the workers and men’s minds are so twisted. I’m so sorry.
We had meeting in our home on Wednesday nights growing up. My parents divorced when I was 17. I left meetings at that time. Dad told me “oh no you’re not young lady!” I said, “yes I am. Who are you to judge!” Dad was one of those men who groped women… many women. He had a love affair in our home, in front of my sweet mom with a woman who went to our meeting. His mother, my Granny, was so sick, she covered for him and later apologized to my mom, before Granny died. He told mom she was imagining things and tried to have her committed to a mental hospital. That means I was too, I guess, because I know what I saw. Only, I wasn’t and she wasn’t and to keep her sanity, Mom filed for a divorce.
Then after growing up in meetings all of her life, she did not know how to make it out there as an outcast. It stayed hidden in the way. No one knew why they divorced. As an older woman, I finally told one of the other women in the meetings that I love to this day and confirmed that she was one of the women dad had groped years earlier. There were many! He did that into his elderly years. No one ever said anything to him to my knowledge. In fact, as an older man, after mom died, he remarried and the workers gave him meeting in his home again. Mom disappeared from our lives for many years and at one time was homeless. She finally got her life together and became the woman I knew my beautiful mother to be and we were very close at the end of her life. She was always beautiful to me! It makes me cry to know how you both have been treated and the mental aspect for you, Laurel. I wish I could hug you both. I’m so glad God gave us the real truth in our hearts and we followed it with courage!
Love from my heart, Elizabeth
I'm so glad you found the Real truth...which is Jesus and not the workers. So. All these arrested workers, what if someone professed thru one of the evil ones. Are they lost?
@@RobertaWaller-w6xI don’t believe anyone who acknowledges the real truth can be lost, no. Who a person professes through doesn’t matter. It should never have mattered. They are not God.
I love this couple. Thank you for the interview. God is Great. It is true God is leading us into so much more. My heart is so encouraged from this interview. Thank you Laurel and Loren. Thank you David for being the bridge to introduce us to them. 🇨🇦🤠🇺🇸
I wish these interviews were up years ago when I was starting to attend the church I go to now. There’s so much I have in common when having a-ha moments once you hear doctrine that is different. Specifically in this interview, the idea that Jesus has already won the battle-this was so contrary to what we were taught, but so reassuring once I realized that it is indeed what the Bible says! Thank you for providing friends with stories in common
Praise God. Grow,grow,grow.
Love u.❤
Thank you David Alink for your series of interviews with wonderful people such as Loren and Laurel. My wife and I live in New Zealand and have been so blessed to watch and listen to these testimonies of people being saved out of false religions into brought into relationship with God through faith in our Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ. Years ago I left the Roman Catholic church and for a long time felt that I was in danger of losing my eternal salvation. God is so good, He persisted with my weakness and drew me into a loving relationship. Now I see His hand of blessing constantly at work and give Him thanks for the small but wondrous things He does. May God richly bless you and your dear wife. Don
I grew up in the truth.
As a child and as a teenager, it’s all I ever knew
I’m kind of in shock right now because I didn’t see any of this bad stuff, but I can attest to the rest.
All I ever knew was Sunday morning meeting, and Wednesday night, Bible study and special meetings and gospel, meetings and convention and much of my family
Really enjoyed this interview. Laurel, I hope we get to meet in person some day. We've had some contact way back when we were homeschooling. Then the quilt swap with Stitches in Thyme. We have two of your creations that we display in our home. And knitted dishcloths! And we weren't far from you last year when we went to what turned out to be our last convention, at Chugwater, of all places, with friends from Wyoming. We had those same, glance at each other and go, "what?" moments there. We left meetings entirely soon after. And rejoice in the liberty in Christ and God's gift, through grace, and our faith in what Jesus accomplished on the cross.
"I did not know how big God was." Best quote ever! :)
What a heartwarming video. Thank you so much for doing these videos David, I really appreciate hearing these stories and happiness from those that have left ❤️
What a wonderful couple. Thank you for sharing your story and David, thank you for all your interviews.
Absolute shame on all those workers who chose to support the perpetrator.
The emotion that Loren had is palpable and hit me deep in my heart. Thanks for sharing this David.
Loved this interview...laughed and cried right along with them! Such a great couple, I want to hang out with them! I propose a g2g for all the interviewees... 😉
YES!
Such a helpful interview. Thank you Laurel and Loren for telling your story. And to David of course for conducting it. It's lovely to feel finally, that we are not alone out here. God bless all. xx 🙏🙏🙏
What a wonderful couple, I was raised in the TRUTH AND WAY, now I am free, thank you Jesus, for my freedom, May our Lord and Savior, ,lead others to the light.
I was also raised in “The Truth”
This all feels so surreal to me because I never saw any of this bad stuff, but I can attest to all of the rest.
I haven’t been to any kind of meeting for at least four years, but sometimes for my mom, I would go back to convention to see all of my cousins, which were very many
All I ever knew was the truth since the time I was born
This was a wonderful interview, and Loren & Laurel, I hope we get to see you when you are out this way some time.
What a wonderful interview. Listening with my husband from South Africa, we've been out for a week now, this channel helps us so much. God is so huge....I will take that away from this interview.
Loren and Laurel thank you for sharing your story. 🥰
"...one group criticizing us, one group praying for us..." Powerful observation!
Yes, and now you've become the group criticizing them! Hypocrisy.
Laurel! Good to see you , my BSF friend! Loved your spaghetti miracle! Glad you two have found peace and joy and are enjoying a closer walk with God. Cherie Kropp
I'm still in fellowship, but can appreciate your perspective. I'm especially sorry your perp was not dealt with, that is so wrong. And I'm sorry you weren't believed. God is way bigger than the little box we have put him in. ❤ I will still be your friend if our paths cross one day.
I'm sorry you are still going to meetings. When they preach works instead of grace and Christ alone they are a stumbling block and deceiving many. I will pray for you.
You might find it eye-opening to do an in-depth study on the deity of Christ. There are very many references. I was astounded and deeply humbled to realize that it was not just a good man who died on the cross to rescue me, but it was God Himself!
@@lindayoung3146 Amen
@lindayoung3146 You need to do some church history studies to understand how the "trinity" came about. Not a biblical doctrine whatsoever.
@RobertaWaller-w6x Well at least now you can do whatever you like, and still go to heaven! Grace, grace grace!
Beautiful livestock Mr. APPLEMAN. You are a gifted Rancher.
Thank you for SHARING, love the way Loren expresses her love for christ ❤ what a testimony, God BLESS
I like that "Pharisee Nature" so little said, so much meant! You are a wise man sir.
Evidence of God’s rescue from the 2x2s in my life is reassuring to my heart. This was an anchor to my perseverance being able to let go and forgive. Forgiveness was for my heart so forgiveness of self, and family and others knowing that we were in the same boat as I. I appreciated that I was one that responded to Gods guidance to His grace.
Hello from the Whaleys of Nebraska! Decentives of Fred and Dwyla onto Kurt and then Nate Whaley love the video.
What a beautiful, Spirit-filled couple. Thank you so much for sharing your story.
"God met us here." ❤❤ love this.
8,000+ views in 7 days. Your story wants to be heard. And thank you for sharing names. People need to hear how cases like yours were handled and by who. My guess is very few cases were not reported to the workers. That means that the 700 (?) perps have been reported 1,000's of times to the same few head workers. The perps are responsible for their actions. The workers, IMO, are responsible for it happening more than once. I hope others come forward after hearing your story. Not all victims are children.
I was halfway thru this video before I realized that you are Carmel Case's parents! My daughter and I are in Missoula and left about 2 months ago. We were in union mtg with your family here.
Hi Nickie! I hope you're celebrating in your new freedom 🎉
@@carmel1864 Hi Carmel! We should visit sometime.
Hello from Germany. I left the Roman Catholic church in my early twenties to join a community of the brethren. There was spiritual abuse but because of my difficult family background I could not stop this as I would do today. My husband was an elder but I left with my children to go to other church meetings on sunday. It was a gard decision for me because I thought that the community and god were the same. My feelings were that it would cost me all even God. It was a surprise for me that God spoke to me at other places too. My husband left a few weeks later with me.
Yes God is so much bigger. Thank you for your testimony. Be courageous to share it again and again. Blessings.❤
Great video! Thank you!
Great interview and heartwarming.
I'm glad i found your channel. Worth a find. Thank you!
"We gave sermonettes." Amen. I sat spiritually impovershed for years, explaining scripture to fellow spirtually impovershed people. I found the first thing I needed to do when I left meetings was to shut up and listen. I had nothing to teach anyone. So proud of you guys! Advice to anyone in meeting? "Get out." Amen. There is no good left in this church. Just separation from actual Christians.
Great video. I grew up in the truth in the southern US but never professed. I really never bought in to the truth and was always taking back by being told this is the only way to get to heaven by my parents. My moms family has been in the truth for a few generations. My parents and other family still go to meeting every Sunday and Wednesday. I watch my younger brother and all my younger cousins profess at convention. I always had questions that no one could answer and I always felt that I was not supposed to ask. I stopped going to meetings as soon as I could. I felt like in a lot of special meetings from the time I was 13-18 that the workers were there just to try and preach to me and to get me to profess. I am a very head strong person and was never ever even close to professing. I started to just tell them they were wasting there time but just sat through it. I hated it and would beg my mom and dad to let me go to a church with my friends and they never gave in and I stood my ground as well. I do have a relationship with God but for along time I am not sure I really believed in anything. For along time when I was asked about going to church I would always say I was taking time off for time served. I feel like “the truth” and the way my situation was handled kind of burnt me on any organized religion. I don’t want to sound like it’s terrible because it’s not they are some really good people in the truth and I still see and talk to some of them every week or so, it was just not for me. Thanks again for your content.
Ask God your questions and He will answer.
Thank you, I don’t need those questions answered anymore because they were all about “the truth” and I never plan on going back. After spending most of my 20s and 30s in the Middle East and witnessing the things men are able to do to each 😊
Sorry that got cut off. Bottom line I lost faith in God, I had faith in my skills as a war fighter and my brothers there frighting with me. I didn’t have a relationship with God again until my little girl was born. I spent so many years living life one min at a time and worrying about what’s around that next corner and working the problems in my 3ft circle. I pray every night to be forgiven for me for my sins and there are alot of them.
Ditto.... i was going to hell when i left.... i never professed... left at 19... was groped by an uncle who i later found out was abusing his oldest daughter. I always felt weird around him even as a kid. Creep. Also my friend who recently passed, told me her father and brother abused her as well. Funny i never liked him either... From Australia. Xxx to you all who left...
Beautiful souls! Your story fills me with hope. God is good-
Lovely couple. I can feel their warmth from here in Australia 🌏🦘
That blanket is GORGEOUS❤❤❤
Impressive testimony, one thing that always sticks out with me from videos is how contrary to Jesus' teaching things can get. The lack of transparency in service and teachings is a huge red flag.
Thank you for sharing this.
Thank you for sharing your story. 🙏🏼
I am surprised to learn of this group. I never heard of them before. I am familiar with the Mormans, 7th Day Adventist, Amish, Moonies but never knew of this group.
Our school actually called the house and said to give us each a Christmas present so when our classmates had an answer as to what they recieved , we would have an answer.
Always enjoy your videos.
My wife was raised reformed baptist, and they prayed for people by name all the time. She doesn't share anything with her mom b/c we'll just end up on a prayer list. She said it's just a justified way of gossiping, and I can totally see it.
David, you mentioned the change in the wording of the hymns. I hope you will look into that and share the info you find! I have been looking at that too. I looked at all the hymns that were removed in 1987 when the current hymn book came out, and most of them were about grace. If you look at the hymn "Steady and True" (#227) in the old hymn book, in the chorus it says "race" we have begun. In the new (current) hymn book the word race was changed to "work." (#339) Thank you for your interviews!!!
Hey! I’m looking forward to it some time, feel free to send over changes you’ve found 🙂
@@davidalink I was never a fan of the new hymn book ....... but I still have many memories of the truth.....did you know the Steinbrechers ??
Whenever my dad was asked how many cows or sheep or hogs he had, he would say enough to keep us busy.
My recollection of growing up in this fellowship was that it was a fellowship of fear. In fact my father on his deathbed after a lifetime of devotion, was terrified. No comfort to be found other than me laying beside him holding his hand.
What is this "fellowship" ? I've never heard of "meetings". I've been a Christian for many years and what is this? What are the "workers"?
My husband was a pastor in independent Christian churches for 30 years.
Would you clarify this? Mennonite? AMISH, WHAT? Thanks for your upcoming answer.
God bless!
@@charhunt39 You can read all about it if you google 2x2 religion.
Just be aware that it's actually a money laundering sex ring.
Sadly they kept us so busy going to meetings that we didn't see it for what it is. A cult.
It was invented in Ireland in late 18th century. The workers are what they call their ministers. Not sure where that started.
Count yourself lucky to not have been entrapped in this cult.
The Miltown , as of last year was a new tent...lights and fans built in!
Thank you for your videos and sharing this story. I totally agree with how some of these groups believe "Forgiveness means sweeping it under the rug" I do not belong to a church and haven't in my four years of following Jesus and visiting several local churches every Sunday. I did study with a pretty conservative group of followers and am seeing some of the same legalism. I don't believe Jesus ever asked of these things or required it for our salvation. I have been torn trying to be part of some of these churches because of man's teachings vs. Jesus teachings. I just can't stay and fellowship when I know this is not what Jesus taught. It can be very lonely to follow Jesus but I know that He will bring me true followers to fellowship with, it can't be forced, It's what I pray for. I now know that my salvation is in Jesus only and I have been added to His church that He said He would build, not a 501c3, man made institution, who pays a preacher to preach. Jesus is my only teacher, Rabbi and I listen and follow the guidance of the helper, the Holy Spirit that He said He would send. That being said, my husband and I read the Bible together, worship together and pray together and we find that is the best way for us right now. Jesus will bring us what we need when He decides. Praise Jesus always, love and blessings to my brothers and sisters in Christ.
Well, I’m from Valentine NE.
Love how Jesus has made Himself real to you. I watched it all. Bless you.
We're "working" because we love our father. My kids try and please me all the time. Do they want a good relationship or a bad relationship, either way they're my children. It's the same kind of relationship with our father in heaven. My kids also know my rules, and if they disobey me, then they get chastised. That's the same thing that God will do to his children. Hebrews 12;5-8
The Niobrara River and the Niobrara Train Trestle Bridge.
Actually, I believe some of those 'bridge' pics are at the park on the north end of main street.
I'm new to this channel. What religion as being referred to as "the meetings"? And workers?
Hey! There is more info in the description of the video but it’s a group called (by outsiders) 2x2s.
@@davidalinkInteresting. That group is completely new to me. I appreciate your channel due to my own background.
I had that same question….the answer is in the description
Milltown has a tent that the light and fans were built in
Is the person who assaulted her still a worker or attending meetings?
Yes, still attending meetings
How does one become a " worker"? What are the qualifications?
There are no real qualitifications. They believe they are called by God so don't need any qualifications.
Leave all and obey the workers....
The hymns are pretty morbid as the words are changed. When I told my dad about Dean Bruer he said, that's to bad he was a great hymn writer.
David, I'm enthralled with your content and you present so well in each and every video you post!(that I've viewed so far.)Anyway, I was curious about your channel name David Alink, I am assuming that is your sir name. But then I thought a bit more and said to myself "that could be a made-up name" A link(which is a perfect channel name!)Because absolutely every channel out there, constantly links with other sites of similar subect matter. So, which is true, real or, made-up?
Yep, its my name. Many of the folks in the 2x2 church would recognize it, as my family is pretty well known.
It seems whereever you look religious folks seem to put other humans in place of Jesus. We need to seek Hod with all our hearts people are gullible.
Are the 2x2’s saved?
They believe they are the only ones saved!! Works, and then, only if you are lucky. They don't believe in the gift of eternal life thru Jesus shed blood.
@@daykasays2922That's a load of rubbish. Stop spewing forth fake news.
What is csa and sa?
Children sexual assult and (adult) sexual assult.
As far as Bible versions…. Over 30 years ago, someone gave me a Newberry Bible, which is KJV with corrections/alternate readings. From that, I learned the KJV was not perfect and without error.
More recently, I have begun to read The Scriptures (Institute for Scripture Research). Another excellent translation of the second part of the Bible is called The Messianic Writings translated by Daniel Gruber. It has lots of interesting notes and explanations. I highly recommend these two.
I have recently been exposed to the 1560 Geneva Bible, which is apparently what the Pilgrims and others of that time period read. Someone is reading it aloud online, comparing it to the Hebrew and also a modern translation. I want to get a copy of the 1560 Geneva Bible. It is quite interesting.
Another that is a literal translation is Young’s literal translation. I bought a copy. It was affordable. The reason is the print is so small and the format so crammed in, that it’s difficult to read.
I ordered a Geneva bible and it was the same as a NIV and none of the omitted chapters or books... I was really disappointed.
I've since ordered a the book that is totally those books. .. I've not started on it yet, but will.
Matthew 18:20KJV…For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
God’s relationship with every person is PERSONAL. Two can be you and God, can be this couple with God, or could be more people gathered together studying God’s scriptures.
The situation this couple went through could be the best thing that ever happened to them in their life. They aren’t people pleasers, but want to do the right thing to please God.
The Bible says in John 3:7KJV…Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. Your first birth is a water birth (your mother’s womb), the second birth is spiritual birth (spiritually baptized into the body of Christ).
Simple presentation of the Gospel….1-Every person is a sinner Romans 3:10,11,12KJV 10-As it is written, There is none righteous, no not one: 11-There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. 12-They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Romans 3:23KJV…For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God.
2-The price of sin….
Romans 6:23KJV…For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Revelation 20:14KJV…And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. (The price of sin).
3-Jesus Christ paid our sin debt. Romans 5:8KJV….But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
4-We sinners must receive Jesus Christ by an act of faith.
Romans 10:9,10KJV…9-That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10-For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 10:13KJV…For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
I absolutely loved this video, and hope for God’s abundant blessings on the presenter and this lovely couple.❤❤❤
One thing I keep wondering in these interviews is …. Did the two by two children go to “public” schools? It sounds like it. I’m surprised if that’s the case.
Homeschooling was frowned on. How could they be an example to the 'world'???
But, we homeschooled most of ours, anyway. ❤👍
David do care to say what group you came out of.
There is more info in the description. It’s a group called the 2x2s
Your videos are such a one sided affair. You not interested in anything else but your narrative and if one doesn't agree, you just delete the message. I can see these folks must be super happy in their new church with all the things they still don't agree with even there. Good luck, been there, done that!
Why are you so angry?
If you want to share another side, start your own channel.
David, when your riding shotgun your supposed to open and close the gates. Good Grief
Lol, you did see that David had to crawl in under the caker wires, didn't you.
At our house, that exempts the passenger - which is usually me 😊 - from opening the gates. 👍
Not when your door is obstructed & the driver tells you he'll do it.
@@daykasays2922 touche' didnt see that until after I commented
His door doesn't open right. Mr Appleton said he would get the gates!!!
… they put their arms around me and I begin to see ….. 🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
❤ Thank you for sharing your story!