As you may or may not know, the powers that be have taken issue with my using Dragon Ball music in the opening. I suppose that's certainly their right. As a result, I have made the difficult choice to replace the opening music in most of The Boo Arc videos with a new, UA-cam-friendly piece. I hope you like it. As a compromise, I have retained the original music in a few select Boo Arc videos scattered across the arc. For those who miss the original, follow this link to the opening as I uploaded it in 2020. Thanks so much for your support! ua-cam.com/video/JNZdVZG_lbM/v-deo.html
Thanks to everyone congratulating me on ten years of Dragon Ball Dissection! However, let me clarify that I don't deserve quite that much credit. I say in the video that we're jumping into the 10th year, meaning we're just starting the 10th year, meaning that I've been doing Dragon Ball Dissection for 9 years as of last month. *Dragon Ball Dissection is 9 years old, not 10 years old.* Counting time is funny that way, but that is how it works. However, I do greatly appreciate it.
I'll do it here then, Congratulations. Would you cover gt and super after this or will you stop doing Dragon ball Dissection? (there is still a lot to cover maybe in 5 years or 4 you will finish?)
@@raulrojas9253 He did a video a few months ago called "Discussing the Future of Dragon Ball Dissection" where he addressed just that. To paraphrase an almost 18 minute video, he inherited his mother's house after her death and now pays her bills and his own, and as of right now, he's really not making enough money from doing UA-cam full time to afford all of that long term. So whether or not he continues and dissects the remainder of the franchise's media after he finishes dissecting the manga will depend on how many people donate regularly to his Patreon. If it's not sufficient, then it unfortunately won't be financially worth his time to do so. He would really like to do so for his fans, but the hard truth is that life happens and he simply can't afford it if his numbers stay as they are.
@@BaithNa Especially evident in recent years when you look at the garbage tier "writing" in Dragon Ball Shitter-- I mean, Super. Dragon Ball in its original run never had the deepest, most thought-out writing, that's for sure, but GODDAMN if it isn't a million and one times better than the utter shit Toriyama's been lazily spewing out since the 2010s. I seriously wish the franchise had just stayed where it was in 1997... done and over with with the fantastic ending GT gave us. Buy Toei wants all the money and just had to dig up its corpse 15 years later just so it could rape it to hell for merchandising profits. Blegh.
Yeah, I misinterpreted at first and got confused when you said latter the series started in 2012. "That isn't 10 years!". Took a moment to understand my mistake.
I think Majiin Buu's regeneration, while significantly greater than Cell's is a lot better handled than Cell's. Buu's entire being is jut being a bubblegum monster. There's never really a point where you see Buu with a big ol' hole in him and think "oh that's it, that's gonna kill him." Cell is basically a solid beefy fighter like Freeza who just happens to regen whenever he gets hit with a big attack. Being bouncy, gummy, rubbery and regenerating is literally baked into Majiin Buu's character. I could totally picture cell not regenerating but I can't imagine Majiin Buu not being able to. It's baked into his character.
I agree. However, it’s a bit jarring when suddenly, he can get injured by Gohan and Vegeto, and then be destroyed by the genki Dama just because. I understand that if Boo were completely invincible, they’d have no reasonable way of beating him, but it still felt like it was a repeat of Cell’s death.
@@bgvo4373 I've always seen it as a his regeneration being more built around being eviscerated but if you just beat him to a pulp you could eventually just knock him unconscious or hurt him. He's not bereft of feeling PAIN, just of being vitally wounded or killed. To that end, and this is purely fan theory, but I always assumed the Genki Dama which was aimed directly at his evil heart just meticulously and specifically destroyed every part of him since every single inch of him is also sentient and evil and it was just too large for him to snake his way out from under it.
The regeneration itself is almost always handled creatively, but almost if not every fight with Boo is boring IMO because he never gets tired or shows visible damage. Even in moments where it seems a character has the upper hand, they are brief, mean nothing, and are undercut later. The thing that brought this to a head for me was when Pure Boo fought Majin Boo. Vegeta says that their power drops and they can feel tired, but only when fighting another Boo. So it’s just invincible rubber monsters punching each other until Toriyama arbitrarily decides one is pooped without any visible showcase.
@@bgvo4373 Bit late in my reply, but while I never really had a problem with the Genki Dama (they establish earlier that they had to destroy him utterly, the good ol' GD/SB does a decent job of that), it's REALLY weird that all the sudden Gohan/Vegeto can do just normal damage to him, especially since that doesn't even really come up afterwards. The Boo vs Boo fight goes back to them blowing holes and limbs off and regenerating, but for some reason for those two fights they're able to just...do arbitrary damage. It doesn't even really effect him for long, after he "absorbs" Vegito it's not like he's suffering from any damage.
@@IamPussy Reading this for the first time may have given the impression it did this time. At least it meant something to Vegeta because he didn't know he could be brought back.
@@ForwardSynthesis Good point. The fact that Vegeta would eventually be brought back doesn't take away the intention he put into his sacrifice...because sometimes, the outcome isn't always the most important. There's even a motto for this : "travel means more than its ending" or "the important thing is the trip", I'm not sure about the wording's accuracy/its correct formulation about it, but it's something like that anyway...
As a child when my brother and I would play with our toys, we would make Majin Buu (the form he takes after evil buu absorbs big buu) the villain of our stories because he was so cruel and merciless.
I would guess he is just creative, but the pure evil within him(Pure Buu/kid buu) is the reason this is expressed through violence. The candy thing is violence + enjoyment of candy. Fat Buu really should be Grand Supreme Kai and its really just a mutated version of him through Pure Buus magic. Good Buu(the fat one without kid buu inside) is really not violent and never was without having Kid Buu inside him at the time.
I feel like, a part of the reason people look back on Majin Vegeta with so much positivity is because, as you stated, the end, the stakes, the way each group of characters has incomplete information, it's just all SO good, and I think the quality of how it's all brought together lifts people's feelings towards everything that happens up to that point. The outcome of a story can greatly affect your memory of, and feelings toward, the narrative as a whole. And you know Toriyama even knew it was a big deal, not only because he whipped out the top-tier art, but also actually used some screentone!
This isn't exactly on topic with what was discussed in the video, but I want to point out to the "Vegeta is a better dad than Goku" crowd that this 13:19 is *_literally_* the first time Vegeta's ever hugged his son in his entire life. Yet somehow *_Goku_* is the deadbeat.
People probably say this kind of things (which I disagree with, naturally) because we've never really seen Goku having such heartwarming moments with his family, so even when Vega is a much worse parent and human being in general, that's what people see and makes them feel something. Yeah, Goku never really needed this kind of development since, well, he's not evil, but it is what it is. @Maria Yuri This is something that happened only in the DBS anime, thus it's an addition of the producers rather than something Toriyama decided, so you might as well discard it completely. Granted, to be fair, Goku said that specifically, he was the one to never have kissed his wife, not vice-versa, so you could very well argue that Chichi does kiss him and doesn't mind that and that he just doesn't like doing so himself.
I really do love Buu's candy beam. It's funny how years of anime and games has made it harder to see it for how very very toriyama it is. Just Buu's face as he opens his mouth to much on the big ol Dabura Biscuit. Buu as a whole is a character that wouldn't feel out of place in Dr. Slump and that's honestly what I love most about him. He's basically a weaponized gag manga character.
@@razkable Fair enough. It's still one of my favorite arcs though. Introduces a lot of ideas that I just feel like flesh out the world a ton, has really great comedic beats and Buu is such a fun character I don't mind him taking years to finally kill.
@@yotomoe5953 my issue is the stuff with gohan and goku and vegeta and gotenks and fusions in general and the kais ...mr. satan and boo steal the show this arc..they were fun new characters to explore..its the old cast that piss me off cause the writing goes back on who should save the day and who is alive so much this arc its a joke...nothing has weight anymore...you do not even need the balls to wish people back to life anymore or a body i guess to be alive with a halo in real life like vegeta was as he was dead..and how did dead goku get to stay on the kai planet but not earth?..see what I mean?..everything is a joke at this point...ssj 3 gotenks..enough said....like its just bad writing...mystiic gohan lol..wtf was that power up?....ssj 3 wasting goku's time on earth and him toying around with the fate of the world on the line is a joke and treated as such...
Wait, wait, WAIT! Oh my Kami, you are so right! In that moment, Piccolo wouldn't have even known about what Vegeta had done prior to this. I always thought Piccolo was basically saying "Bro, you JUST killed hundreds of people all because you wanted a fight. And that's on top of all the stuff before this. No, of course you're going to Hell." But Piccolo wasn't even including that.
@Alan A Yeah, when I saw that scene in the anime in 2004 on Toonami, I was assuming Piccolo was talking about the carnage Vegeta committed on Namek, and the implied atrocities before Vegeta came to Earth with Nappa.
@@SomeRandomDude000000 I would think that as "god" because of his assimilation of Kami and his connections to the other worldly realm Piccolo would be able see what was going on. But if Dende was the new guardian does all of Kami's "influence" just not matter anymore. Because he was able to recognize that shin was a very important being earlier.
Up until Piccolo's regeneration getting the same buff Cell's had here, I always thought that Cell's insane regen had something to do with Frieza's DNA. Frieza can seemingly survive in some pretty gnarly conditions, give that ability to Cell along with Piccolo'a DNA and it made some kinda sense to me that he could regenerate from worse injuries than a Namekian.
Yeah, interesting insight you have there. Frieza doesn't have any regeneration powers as proven by the fact that he had to be outfitted with mechanics but he was able to fight Goku for at least a moment with nothing but a torso and one arm (Something that no other character has really done besides him) *And* survive the total destruction of a Planet Namek *AND* breath in the vacuum of space. Combine that with the Namekian regeneration and you have a powerhouse of a character all things considered.
Obviously I accept your critique of Vegetas handling since his first death but I will say that his sacrifice is possibly Toriyamas best writing for Vegeta and a natural conclusion to his character
Crazy to think that by 14 parts of the cell arc dissection you were already at the Cell Games. And the Freeza arc was already finished by then. Yet here we’re just at the halfway point. And I wouldn’t have it any other way.
@Morph Ball Playing on the concept of a "solid" series, a "liquid" one would be one that adapts and flows freely depending on the shape its course takes
I like that Buu fighting style is like of a school bully, due how childish he is. It's really a nice touch and make Buu different from the previous villains.
@@garouthedemon7401 It does bring up plot holes in retrospect with deaths of Piccolo. King Piccolo almost dies after Goku goes through his chest forcing him to make Piccolo Jr. , but with this retcon that probably shouldn’t have mattered and regenerated back like nothing. And with Piccolo’s Jr’s death by Nappa his head was still intact so Napa’s blast really shouldn’t have killed him there.
@@brandonlyon730 My head canon was always that his regen got stronger with his "power level" and that he didn't have regenerating energy so he could still die without being blown apart if he lost all of his ki. That's just something I made up to try and explain it though.
@@ForwardSynthesis I think that may be canon? At the very least Frieza said when Nail grew back his arm his power dropped considerably. So we could reasonably assume regenerating uses up a good bit of ki. But the more you have, the less that drain matters. At least, that's how it seems to me.
I WAS going to postulate that Piccolo may have briefly scanned Vegeta's mind and found out about his "fall into darkness" hence his bluntness, but remembering their past interactions before that moment puts it into perspective that that’s just how these two interact if they aren’t brawling. Piccolo pointedly refused to wear Saiyan armor back in the previous arc made me realize.
"It's frustrating when your boss not only doesn't stand up for you in the face of workplace violence, but actually encourages it" _And that's the story of why I don't work for Sonic anymore._
@@anxhelovucinaj1576 It means that I was threatened with physical violence by a co-worker and the managers only encouraged the guy and punished me, so I decided to stop working for them.
IIIII CARE ABOUT CHIAOTZUUUUUUUUU actually that moment with goku and vegeta results one of the most annoying problems for me is just how casually they take so much of these things when they really really shouldn't
The biggest issue of the Buu Arc is how little of a shit everyone cares about what's going on despite Buu being the biggest threat so far. Buu literally kills everyone on Earth AND the Lookout and Gotenks is still grandstanding. Buu destroys the entire planet Earth and Goku and Vegeta decide "Eh, fuck fusion" and take turns fighting him.
4:32 Maybe if Vegeta were acting more like a madman throughout the fight and slowly became conflicted, this could have been better and less jarring. 4:41 For some reason, I never even thought about that, but yeah, it's weird that Goku's anger over Vegeta's action is just... gone. Like you said in part 12, there aren't enough consequences for his actions. After he returns, everyone just accepts him like that. 9:40 My thoughts exactly. 18:50 This was absolutely perfect.
Now that I compare manga with anime, this arc in general feels quite rushed in the manga. Not only for the lack of Goku vs Vegeta but also how the final volume has Vegetto vs Buu, Goku vs little Buu, Everybody vs little Buu, and antilclimatic epilogue with Uub. Everything the final volume has feels quite fast when comparing other long fights like Goku vs Vegeta or other big fights
i think without vegeta randomly getting guilty the idea of goku and vegeta treating this as a casual thing and then realizing "oh shit, we're supposed to be doing something" kinda feels like somehting you can only do in the last arc of a story like this its been so long and they've been through so much and know each other so well its almost as if this was like a fun activity between 2 friends that havent seen each other in a long time only to rmember the reason their both there at all is to plan a wedding or something serious
Thinking about Vegeta's decision to quit the fight with Goku and take on Buu, I can come up with two explanations as to why he did it. The first, is that Goku is no longer interested in fighting as he is too busy nagging about Buu, so he won't focus on Vegeta anymore.....this one is probably true. The second reason is that Vegeta was genuinely surprised by Buu's power. Up to this point, Vegeta may have been confident in his belief that Buu was no match for him or Goku. I know that's the whole "Cell Reaching his Perfect Form" bit coming back, but this time it's less about arrogance and more about a lack of credibility. In your earlier videos, your compare Kaioshin to Future Trunk, a character who gives a warning that the heroes aren't taking seriously. But in the Kaioshin's case, the idea the theart is not that big works better. Every other villain in the series has something to back them up. We know the Saiyans are powerful because Raditz was. We know Freeza is powerful because Vegeta is scared of him. We know the Androids are powerful because Future Trunks couldn't beat them. But the only credence to Buu's power is what the Kaioshin said and he has repeatedly being shown to out of his own depth. He tries to build up Buu's power by saying how the Kaioshin could beat Freeza in one hit and Buu defeated them. Problem is, we already saw Trunks beat Freeza in one hit. So Kaioshin is using an outdated reference. Now, if he had used Cell instead, then this would strike harder to the characters. Goku accepts the Kaioshin's word as much he would accept King Kai's word. But Vegeta has no reason to care what the Kaioshin says since he was completely taken back by the Saiyans power in the first place. Not to mention that Babidi and his forces aren't that fearsome either, not even Dabura who Vegeta was confident he could beat. The first half of the arc does seem to toy with the idea that maybe Buu really was NOT that powerful at all and the Kaioshin was just exaggerating. Even Buu's silly appearance may have been part of this red herring. Even Gohan thought he could beat Buu when he first saw him. That would honestly would be an equally fun twist to find out that Buu is a weakling the whole time. Maybe Vegeta really did think that Buu wasn't going to be a problem and thus he didn't care if he was released? That would cast his actions in slightly different light at least, if he thought the Earth and his family were in no real danger from Buu and that Vegeta could just put him down with ease after fighting Goku. With Cell, it's just Vegeta's ego and not much else. But with Buu, well, maybe there was no real danger? All we have is the Kaioshin's word and, well, he's not done much to earn the character's attention or respect.
09:11 I mean I could only imagine that admitting to designing your villains based off of your editor would only brew bad blood and drama with one another.
Not necessarily. Toriyama has never been coy about it in the past. Dr. Mashirito, a villain from Dr. Slump, is a mind-bogglingly obvious play on Torishima Kazuhiko to the point that Mashirito literally has Torishima's face, and his name is simply Torishima backwards.
I'm been watching some of your older episodes lately, and the drop in quality in Dragon Ball in the Boo saga (both in art and story, but especially on art) is incredible noticiable, Toriyama's attention just wasnt there anymore...nor was ours. I remember when I first read this back when I was a kid, and I knew Vegeta was coming back in a few issues, despite all the efforts both Toriyama and Shonnen Jump were making to let us know that "seriously kids, he is dead, and his soul is going to hell, he is not coming back!". Also, something that always bugged me is why all the characters are so shocked about Gohan being dead...ok, lets asume he was dead...Gohan never died before, he is actually the only character that could be brought back by Earth's Dragon Balls...did all characters forgot about this? did Toriyama forgot about this? And the cast will keep mentioning how sad they are because Gohan is dead and he is not coming back...again, did they forgot Gohan never died? Anyway, great video, as always, sadly, the Boo saga will only get more dumb from now on...
Imagine if Buu turned Babidi into a cookie instead, and after Vegeta’s self destruction Buu now lacks a body and chooses to take over Dabra’s since he wasn’t turned into a cookie? Would explain Buu’s new lean, evil look while establishing that Buu’s body can be destroyed but his essence can survive on to possess a new body. Maybe this would inspire them to have to seal away Buu instead of destroying him?
You know, I Thought you might mention that Buu's Ability to spew Gum to wrap his enemys in is TOTALLY STOLEN from Giran in the first tournament, his Gurugurugamu, or Merry-Go-Round Gum as most probably know it! Kinda sad you didn't mention it, but hey, I don't mind too much =D And now: Happy tenth Anniversary =D
Vegeta's sacrifice is ruined for me by the fact that it accomplishes nothing. It was all for nothing. This is why I can't get behind it as awesome character development for Vegeta. He's clearly trying to be like Goku at the end of the Cell saga and gets a worse version. I've seen that defended as "Well, Goku didn't stop Cell! either!", but Goku altered the trajectory of the timeline. As in, Cell was going to blow up the world and kill everyone, and he didn't. But with Vegeta, but did everything he was going to do, just pushed back a couple minutes. "But he saved the sons!" They could've just had him fight Buu normally to hold him off while they escaped and he gets slowly beaten to death; they didn't specifically have to have him blow himself up. That at least wouldn't have had the problem of making you think that might've stopped Buu and then not since everyone knew it never would and that was never the intent. And it didn't even save anyone. Buu kills the sons and Piccolo and everyone in the world and then blows up the world anyway, and Goku, someone completely unrelated to that is the one who saves the day. So Buu was not killed and went on to do all the exact same things he would've done in the exact same order. Imagine if Cell had reappeared and inflated himself again and succeeded in blowing up the world with everyone helpless to do anything. It would be like "Okay, well, narratively, what was the point of that?" And this exact thing happened with the Chiaotzu death, but that at least made me feel something because it added to how dastardly Nappa was. Not only do they not do that with Buu because of how silly he is, but everyone's gone, so you don't get a bunch of hurt reactions of everyone there watching it, just people being briefly surprised and momentarily melancholy when they find out later.
Regeneration in Dragon Ball would have been nicer if it had a cost to it, like energy. Would have been nice for Cell too, to see him get visibly more tired each time he regenerates until he is too tired to regenerate.
It does come with a cost. Piccolo loses energy when he regenerates and can only regrow his limbs. Cell's regeneration was pretty inconsistent and confusing. Buu is the only can thar can regenerate from anything and not lose energy.
10 years of Dragon Ball Dissection, that's just crazy, and to think that where only half way through the Majin Boo arc, my guess is that it will take one more year untill we reach the end of the Boo arc.
Man, I was about to comprehensively explain the passage of time before you preempted me. Now what will I do with the next 20 minutes? Eh. Guess I'll watch the video. Keep up the great work. I recommend this series to every Dragon Ball fan, especially your video addressing the idea that Goku "isn't a hero".
Congratulations on 10 strong years of Dragon Ball Dissection! I’ve been watching from the start and it’s amazing to see how far you have come with the series! Honestly my favorite part of the series is learning new things about the series and how it was influenced by other media :D Congratulations again for reaching this milestone!!!
9:29 - I hate these internal inconsistencies. If Piccolo is fine as long as his head is intact, then what about when he sacrificed himself for Gohan? What about the other Namekians killed by Frieza but with their heads still intact? What about his father who was run through the chest by kid Goku and died? It's like Saiyans not growing hair anymore once they grow it (so Vegeta looks the same after returning from the time chamber but Trunks has long hair). What point does that serve? And why, in Dragon Ball Super do Goku and Vegeta both have beards when coming out, and in GT, Vegeta not only has a moustache, but also CUT his hair, apparently never to have the longer hair again (unless it is on his face?)?
Satan and Buu, ,Old Kai, human extinction attack, vegito, spirit bomb actually killing someone, Vegeta admitting Goku is superior, fight on the lookout and room of spirit and time, ending (besides goku leaving to go with Ubb),
@@Powerman77775 Oh, yeah, I was skipping a lot of stuff in my head lol I don't think MF will like Vegito, though. I like Vegito because I like Dragon Ball as a video game structure and Vegito characters are usually pretty fun/OP. I don't think there's much to him in the narrative sense, but I could be wrong.
I know I'm in the minority but I like the Buu arc more than the Cell arc. I really like Gotenks and y'know I like final battles where a bunch of characters AREN'T standing around watching the final fight and slack jawed. Goku vs. Piccolo Jr, Cell games, the less spectators going 'wow how can they do that!?' the better.
Personally I hate Gotenks. He's all hype and manages to accomplish absolutely nothing. The fact that he looks like a little Vegeta as a SSJ is perfect because he basically IS a little Vegeta from the previous story arch on steroids.
The only bad thing about getting to be a patreon is that I forgot that I was and then got excited to see an upload, then I realized that it's the episode I already saw. Although I do have to say that Goku wanting a one on one fight verses a two verses one fight is not merely at the behest of the plot. Goku clearly prefers a one on one fight but he's not above teaming up if he needs it. Goku wants to fight against Buu because they can't win on their own but together they can. Goku didn't need to team up against Yakon because he won on his own. He didn't team up against Cell not only because Cell was an almost equal match for Goku anyway and Goku thought he might've had a shot but he knew Gohan could win one on one and he wasn't wrong. I just don't think it's as simple as "The Plot demands it". Plus for better or for worse as much as you might hate it and prefer otherwise there are large sections of the story where the other characters would just get killed if they interfered and they can do little more than buy time or maybe give a distraction (Which is usually what they end up doing anyway).
@@vikhyathnalla624 I know that, that's because he couldn't beat him on his own....which is my point. It's not arbitrary as though "The plot demands it". It's not a character inconsistency that's my point.
Once again. Nailing it on the Vegeta commentary. His sacrifice, if nothing else, was so well done in the moment, it's easy to forget the emotional impact of it isn't earned at all. And that it's really more heartbreaking for Trunks and Bulma (and to an extent Goten) than Vegeta.
I think the worse thing Buu can turn you into is a sucker or jawbreaker something that would make you die slowly by Buu sucking on you at least a chocolate bar he eats you quickly .
To the point about Piccolo regenerating: something I always concluded for myself was that Piccolo probably didn't even realize for himself how much it was possible for him to regenerate from UNTIL the Cell saga. And since Cell kept going "I CAN COME BACK FROM WHATEVER BECAUSE PICCOLO JUICE!" Piccolo probably went "huh... Guess that means I'm a lot more durable than I thought." The limitation about it being energy taxing is also fairly irrelevant now since Piccolo is stronger than a Super Sayian, and also never fights anymore anyway so that facet might as well never come up anymore.
That would make sense except for one thing: why did Piccolo die to Nappa then? There was no mortal wound. If piccolo could regenerate so well he should be able to shrug that off.
@@DidgeridudeEX i imagine it comes down to the fact that it takes a lot of energy for him to regenerate. In the Sayian arc, he only had, what, 1000 battle power? By now he's gotta be over the tens of millions in terms of numerical designation. If he's dumping energy into Health Points when he regenerates, it stands to reason he can heal from far worse damage than he used to be capable of now that he has more energy to throw around.
@@randomfox12245 eh to me it seems more like a plot contrivance but hey whatever floats your boat :P. I actually liked this gag with trunks knocking over the statue despite the inconsistency though.
I think when most people argue against misterfusion it is because they're comparing the anime adaptation of the Manga which sometimes makes alot of what missing in the Manga more prominent and better in the anime
@@LizardOfOz69 Even before in the and during the frieze saga there were many details put in. Also mostly I'm talk about dubbed because that's what I'm formiliar with
@@codenamelj the dialogue doesn't matter when indisputably there is more worthwhile content in the anime after the Frieza saga than the manga has after the same arc. Before that though, the manga was superior.
@@LizardOfOz69 it's sometimes does especially we an entirely different message is received but also I was really talking about dialog just mentioned dubbed just in case the original had different scenes than what I remembered because of censorship or just a difference in culture
If you want an example for an Anime/Manga where the point of most fights is to be unsatisfying for the main character while still being fun for the audience there is One Punch Man.
I really wish they just let vegeta stay dead after this. His role in the kid buu fight does has some more character development it’s pretty redundant and would been more fitting to leave him dead. Honestly he should’ve stayed dead after freezer killed him.
I do agree he should have just met his end on Namek, but I also think the Kid Buu stuff was necessary to tie this arc in particular together. I've said before that it's very fitting that his "noble sacrifice" in this moment is an unmitigated failure because he did not deserve to be the hero. That's a good strong message, but I think his return only adds to that theme as he is forced to watch his pride get sliced to ribbons again and again. He gets ragdolled by Buu, says Goku is the best, has to rely on Earthlings, has to beg them for help they don't give him, has to be saved by Mr. Satan, and ultimately his key role in saving the Earth goes completely unnoticed by most of the people of Earth, as it should be. However, had I been born Akira Toriyama and had written the story exactly the same up until that point, I would not have brought Vegeta back to life and just had him make his peace once his work was done and then disappear forever ala Movie 12. In that way, he has repaired what he destroyed, but also accepts that he cannot walk back his crimes, and passes on.
i never got why so many people liked vegeta...hes kinda trash....a big reason people do not want to watch gt and og is vegeta's limited or no role he has in a lot of those 2 shows..its quite annoying.....
Goku and Vegeta definitely could have had a more interesting fight for the sake of the audience, but I have to say the funny thing with their original fight is it wasn't really a complete 1v1 anyway. Goku would have pretty much lost against Vegeta if it weren't for Gohan, Krillin, and Yajirobe assisting. To me that fact sort of tones down the hype for a "refight" in the first place.
True, it was more of a pride loss for Vegeta for having to resort to the Oozaru form, but even then i doubt a Goku that can barely move after using Kaio Ken X4 could do much to the normal Vegeta.
I think I could see the "Vegeta vs Goku is intentionally boring" point. Like a dig at the audience for wanting a pointless fight just like Vegeta. I dunno if Toriyama was going quite that meta with this though. But I really need to reread that part. I'll keep that in mind.
I think that Toriyama wasn't as focused on the fight itself, but rather in the fallout of it happening (Majin Buu being released and Vegeta's sacrifice) Not that he intended for it to be satisfying or unsatisfying in any way, he was just getting from A to B in my eyes.
Always love the panel of Vegeta in the classic saiyan armor. Really enjoyed how Vegeta grew and continue to care in the end for his family and even Goku
This should have been a permanent sacrifice for Vegeta. It would have been masterful storytelling that the proud prince failed at everything he's ever aspired to. Even his one noble act that cost him his life. He would be permanently punished for his heinous actions throughout his lifes. Bringing him back to life undercuts all of it. As well as having all forgiven and everything forgotten about. I too wish Trunks could had talked some sense into Vegeta or at least contribute to it.
I'm sure you get messages like this all the time but I was literally JUST thinking about when this video would drop, and checked UA-cam on a whim, to find it was made public 38 seconds ago. Incredible. (commented and liked for the algorithm)
its not like im against that idea but the question is, then who defeats buu? gotenks? i can't stand him, gohan? he didn't earned his power up at all, maybe team effort to seal him again?
Kind of weird in super that goku becomes less willing to work with someone to defeat an enemy. I think toriyama pushed both toei and toyotarou to make goku more selfish to make up for how the dub made goku more like superman.
I believe so. It was mention in the past that evil people don't get to keep their bodies(other than in plot hole laden filler), so they just become spirits. The idea they can be reincarnated as new life form is someone only mentioned here by Piccolo.
im going to be honest. i was always glad vegeta stole the bean from goku. I had always pictured awful results from a person who is physically dead eating a senzu bean. like a half melted zama-ku black, or maybe it would simply revive him and thus breaking universal laws. vegeta saved us from a whole mess.
As you may or may not know, the powers that be have taken issue with my using Dragon Ball music in the opening. I suppose that's certainly their right. As a result, I have made the difficult choice to replace the opening music in most of The Boo Arc videos with a new, UA-cam-friendly piece. I hope you like it. As a compromise, I have retained the original music in a few select Boo Arc videos scattered across the arc. For those who miss the original, follow this link to the opening as I uploaded it in 2020. Thanks so much for your support!
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But unfortunately for Chiaotzu... nobody could hear it due to the massive explosion... :-P
And because he was too busy listening to Yamcha crying about how he will die alone.
Poor dolt.
Thanks to everyone congratulating me on ten years of Dragon Ball Dissection! However, let me clarify that I don't deserve quite that much credit. I say in the video that we're jumping into the 10th year, meaning we're just starting the 10th year, meaning that I've been doing Dragon Ball Dissection for 9 years as of last month. *Dragon Ball Dissection is 9 years old, not 10 years old.* Counting time is funny that way, but that is how it works. However, I do greatly appreciate it.
I'll do it here then, Congratulations. Would you cover gt and super after this or will you stop doing Dragon ball Dissection? (there is still a lot to cover maybe in 5 years or 4 you will finish?)
@@raulrojas9253 He did a video a few months ago called "Discussing the Future of Dragon Ball Dissection" where he addressed just that. To paraphrase an almost 18 minute video, he inherited his mother's house after her death and now pays her bills and his own, and as of right now, he's really not making enough money from doing UA-cam full time to afford all of that long term. So whether or not he continues and dissects the remainder of the franchise's media after he finishes dissecting the manga will depend on how many people donate regularly to his Patreon. If it's not sufficient, then it unfortunately won't be financially worth his time to do so. He would really like to do so for his fans, but the hard truth is that life happens and he simply can't afford it if his numbers stay as they are.
How did this series last 10 years?
Easy, MistareFusion puts more effort into his scripts than Toriyama
@@BaithNa Especially evident in recent years when you look at the garbage tier "writing" in Dragon Ball Shitter-- I mean, Super.
Dragon Ball in its original run never had the deepest, most thought-out writing, that's for sure, but GODDAMN if it isn't a million and one times better than the utter shit Toriyama's been lazily spewing out since the 2010s.
I seriously wish the franchise had just stayed where it was in 1997... done and over with with the fantastic ending GT gave us. Buy Toei wants all the money and just had to dig up its corpse 15 years later just so it could rape it to hell for merchandising profits. Blegh.
Yeah, I misinterpreted at first and got confused when you said latter the series started in 2012. "That isn't 10 years!". Took a moment to understand my mistake.
I think Majiin Buu's regeneration, while significantly greater than Cell's is a lot better handled than Cell's. Buu's entire being is jut being a bubblegum monster. There's never really a point where you see Buu with a big ol' hole in him and think "oh that's it, that's gonna kill him." Cell is basically a solid beefy fighter like Freeza who just happens to regen whenever he gets hit with a big attack. Being bouncy, gummy, rubbery and regenerating is literally baked into Majiin Buu's character. I could totally picture cell not regenerating but I can't imagine Majiin Buu not being able to. It's baked into his character.
I agree. However, it’s a bit jarring when suddenly, he can get injured by Gohan and Vegeto, and then be destroyed by the genki Dama just because. I understand that if Boo were completely invincible, they’d have no reasonable way of beating him, but it still felt like it was a repeat of Cell’s death.
@@bgvo4373 I've always seen it as a his regeneration being more built around being eviscerated but if you just beat him to a pulp you could eventually just knock him unconscious or hurt him. He's not bereft of feeling PAIN, just of being vitally wounded or killed. To that end, and this is purely fan theory, but I always assumed the Genki Dama which was aimed directly at his evil heart just meticulously and specifically destroyed every part of him since every single inch of him is also sentient and evil and it was just too large for him to snake his way out from under it.
Plus...it's just fun how impacts pop back out when he's punched or kicked.
The regeneration itself is almost always handled creatively, but almost if not every fight with Boo is boring IMO because he never gets tired or shows visible damage. Even in moments where it seems a character has the upper hand, they are brief, mean nothing, and are undercut later. The thing that brought this to a head for me was when Pure Boo fought Majin Boo. Vegeta says that their power drops and they can feel tired, but only when fighting another Boo. So it’s just invincible rubber monsters punching each other until Toriyama arbitrarily decides one is pooped without any visible showcase.
@@bgvo4373 Bit late in my reply, but while I never really had a problem with the Genki Dama (they establish earlier that they had to destroy him utterly, the good ol' GD/SB does a decent job of that), it's REALLY weird that all the sudden Gohan/Vegeto can do just normal damage to him, especially since that doesn't even really come up afterwards. The Boo vs Boo fight goes back to them blowing holes and limbs off and regenerating, but for some reason for those two fights they're able to just...do arbitrary damage. It doesn't even really effect him for long, after he "absorbs" Vegito it's not like he's suffering from any damage.
I can't believe Vegeta would rather die and have his soul erased than admit aloud that he cares about Chiaotzu.
Dragon Ball Funfact: Did you know Majin Boo is actually comprised of Bungee Gum, which has both the properties of rubber and gum?
Oh God, the meme has even reached here.
@@R0-83-RT What can I say, I like HxH.
So is Luffy actually
@@ThelronFjord
This is sad, and I'm sorry, but I laughed at that HxH reference harder than I should have. xD
_"Goodbye to you all. Bulma… Trunks… and yes, even you, Kakarot."_
The feels, man...
goodbye bloomers
tree trunks
and even you karrot kake
see ya
@@IamPussy just if vegeta stayed dead that woulda been more impactful
obviously
"Goodbye to you all... Bulma... Trunks... and yes, ESPECIALLY YOU, CHIAO-ZU!"
@@IamPussy Reading this for the first time may have given the impression it did this time. At least it meant something to Vegeta because he didn't know he could be brought back.
@@ForwardSynthesis Good point. The fact that Vegeta would eventually be brought back doesn't take away the intention he put into his sacrifice...because sometimes, the outcome isn't always the most important. There's even a motto for this : "travel means more than its ending" or "the important thing is the trip", I'm not sure about the wording's accuracy/its correct formulation about it, but it's something like that anyway...
This makes me Realize how creative buu in his with brutality.
buu saga's really good at being extremely silly and incredibly disturbing at the same time
As a child when my brother and I would play with our toys, we would make Majin Buu (the form he takes after evil buu absorbs big buu) the villain of our stories because he was so cruel and merciless.
@@TheLaGangjShow yeah that's super buu he is quite terrifying
I would guess he is just creative, but the pure evil within him(Pure Buu/kid buu) is the reason this is expressed through violence. The candy thing is violence + enjoyment of candy. Fat Buu really should be Grand Supreme Kai and its really just a mutated version of him through Pure Buus magic. Good Buu(the fat one without kid buu inside) is really not violent and never was without having Kid Buu inside him at the time.
The part that always stood out to me was Super Buu force feeding himself to a guy to make him explode.
I feel like, a part of the reason people look back on Majin Vegeta with so much positivity is because, as you stated, the end, the stakes, the way each group of characters has incomplete information, it's just all SO good, and I think the quality of how it's all brought together lifts people's feelings towards everything that happens up to that point. The outcome of a story can greatly affect your memory of, and feelings toward, the narrative as a whole. And you know Toriyama even knew it was a big deal, not only because he whipped out the top-tier art, but also actually used some screentone!
That's pretty spot-on. I mean that scene if his Sacrifice is one of the most memorable parts for f the series.
Amazing conclusion indeed
This isn't exactly on topic with what was discussed in the video, but I want to point out to the "Vegeta is a better dad than Goku" crowd that this 13:19 is *_literally_* the first time Vegeta's ever hugged his son in his entire life. Yet somehow *_Goku_* is the deadbeat.
@Maria Yuri *grumble grumble* damn you modern Dragon Ball *grumble grumble*
@@CSManiac33 you got to wonder what the talk was like for either of them .
That's dragon ball fans for you.
@Maria Yuri the joke was that goku thought they were talking specifically about giving each other food mouth to mouth
People probably say this kind of things (which I disagree with, naturally) because we've never really seen Goku having such heartwarming moments with his family, so even when Vega is a much worse parent and human being in general, that's what people see and makes them feel something. Yeah, Goku never really needed this kind of development since, well, he's not evil, but it is what it is.
@Maria Yuri This is something that happened only in the DBS anime, thus it's an addition of the producers rather than something Toriyama decided, so you might as well discard it completely. Granted, to be fair, Goku said that specifically, he was the one to never have kissed his wife, not vice-versa, so you could very well argue that Chichi does kiss him and doesn't mind that and that he just doesn't like doing so himself.
"I CARE ABOUT CHiAOtZU"
CHIAAAAAOOOTZUUUUUUUUUU
I didn´t know Vegeta was nobody
That was pretty funny
Who's Chiaotzu
@@nani4249 A question Toriyama asked everytime someone asked what happened to him.
I really do love Buu's candy beam. It's funny how years of anime and games has made it harder to see it for how very very toriyama it is. Just Buu's face as he opens his mouth to much on the big ol Dabura Biscuit. Buu as a whole is a character that wouldn't feel out of place in Dr. Slump and that's honestly what I love most about him. He's basically a weaponized gag manga character.
boo is not the issue..the arc itself is poorly made..it should be much shorter than it is...the amount of bs they put into it is the issue...
@@razkable Fair enough. It's still one of my favorite arcs though. Introduces a lot of ideas that I just feel like flesh out the world a ton, has really great comedic beats and Buu is such a fun character I don't mind him taking years to finally kill.
@@yotomoe5953 my issue is the stuff with gohan and goku and vegeta and gotenks and fusions in general and the kais ...mr. satan and boo steal the show this arc..they were fun new characters to explore..its the old cast that piss me off cause the writing goes back on who should save the day and who is alive so much this arc its a joke...nothing has weight anymore...you do not even need the balls to wish people back to life anymore or a body i guess to be alive with a halo in real life like vegeta was as he was dead..and how did dead goku get to stay on the kai planet but not earth?..see what I mean?..everything is a joke at this point...ssj 3 gotenks..enough said....like its just bad writing...mystiic gohan lol..wtf was that power up?....ssj 3 wasting goku's time on earth and him toying around with the fate of the world on the line is a joke and treated as such...
Wait, wait, WAIT! Oh my Kami, you are so right! In that moment, Piccolo wouldn't have even known about what Vegeta had done prior to this. I always thought Piccolo was basically saying "Bro, you JUST killed hundreds of people all because you wanted a fight. And that's on top of all the stuff before this. No, of course you're going to Hell." But Piccolo wasn't even including that.
@Alan A
Yeah, when I saw that scene in the anime in 2004 on Toonami, I was assuming Piccolo was talking about the carnage Vegeta committed on Namek, and the implied atrocities before Vegeta came to Earth with Nappa.
So was Piccolo just ignoring the giant stamp on Vegeta's forehead or maybe he just didnt notice?
@@cjvaye99 at best piccolo could assume babidi tried to control him and vegeta withstood it. No way he could have known about the tournament or goku
@@SomeRandomDude000000 I would think that as "god" because of his assimilation of Kami and his connections to the other worldly realm Piccolo would be able see what was going on. But if Dende was the new guardian does all of Kami's "influence" just not matter anymore. Because he was able to recognize that shin was a very important being earlier.
You both forgot that Piccolo fused with Kami at that point.
Up until Piccolo's regeneration getting the same buff Cell's had here, I always thought that Cell's insane regen had something to do with Frieza's DNA. Frieza can seemingly survive in some pretty gnarly conditions, give that ability to Cell along with Piccolo'a DNA and it made some kinda sense to me that he could regenerate from worse injuries than a Namekian.
Yeah, interesting insight you have there. Frieza doesn't have any regeneration powers as proven by the fact that he had to be outfitted with mechanics but he was able to fight Goku for at least a moment with nothing but a torso and one arm (Something that no other character has really done besides him) *And* survive the total destruction of a Planet Namek *AND* breath in the vacuum of space. Combine that with the Namekian regeneration and you have a powerhouse of a character all things considered.
Obviously I accept your critique of Vegetas handling since his first death but I will say that his sacrifice is possibly Toriyamas best writing for Vegeta and a natural conclusion to his character
If only it was the conclusion to his character
Wake up babe, new MistareFusion video.
Crazy to think that by 14 parts of the cell arc dissection you were already at the Cell Games. And the Freeza arc was already finished by then. Yet here we’re just at the halfway point. And I wouldn’t have it any other way.
@Morph Ball DBS manga is good now so I don't mind, then
Journey > endpoint
@Morph Ball I prefer liquid series tbh
@Morph Ball Playing on the concept of a "solid" series, a "liquid" one would be one that adapts and flows freely depending on the shape its course takes
@Morph Ball That's Capitalism for you.
I dunno, I think Trunks breaking stone Piccolo only for Piccolo to regenerate and go "Hey, don't do this shit again kid" is pretty funny
I like that Buu fighting style is like of a school bully, due how childish he is. It's really a nice touch and make Buu different from the previous villains.
10 years, man. It's hard to believe... Congrats Mistare!
I remember noticing it around 5-7 years ago
He didn't die for his family for Goku...
He did it for Chiaotzu. #ripvegeta
Thank you for bringing up the stupid Piccolo regeneration retcon. It’s so pointless and stupid
@@garouthedemon7401 It does bring up plot holes in retrospect with deaths of Piccolo. King Piccolo almost dies after Goku goes through his chest forcing him to make Piccolo Jr. , but with this retcon that probably shouldn’t have mattered and regenerated back like nothing. And with Piccolo’s Jr’s death by Nappa his head was still intact so Napa’s blast really shouldn’t have killed him there.
@@brandonlyon730 My head canon was always that his regen got stronger with his "power level" and that he didn't have regenerating energy so he could still die without being blown apart if he lost all of his ki. That's just something I made up to try and explain it though.
@@ForwardSynthesis I think that may be canon? At the very least Frieza said when Nail grew back his arm his power dropped considerably. So we could reasonably assume regenerating uses up a good bit of ki. But the more you have, the less that drain matters. At least, that's how it seems to me.
@@ForwardSynthesis And also after his multiple fusions. Stronger powers after Nail, then a lot stronger regeneration after fusing with Kami again.
I WAS going to postulate that Piccolo may have briefly scanned Vegeta's mind and found out about his "fall into darkness" hence his bluntness, but remembering their past interactions before that moment puts it into perspective that that’s just how these two interact if they aren’t brawling. Piccolo pointedly refused to wear Saiyan armor back in the previous arc made me realize.
"It's frustrating when your boss not only doesn't stand up for you in the face of workplace violence, but actually encourages it"
_And that's the story of why I don't work for Sonic anymore._
What does that even mean?
@@anxhelovucinaj1576 It means that I was threatened with physical violence by a co-worker and the managers only encouraged the guy and punished me, so I decided to stop working for them.
@@RoninCatholic oh,I'm really sorry I didn't really get what you were saying earlier which is why I asked,I'm really sorry
@@anxhelovucinaj1576 It's okay. I just had an anecdote to relate back to a joke being made in this video is all.
I thought you were role playing as Tails when you wrote this lmao
12:36: Just realized that's where Gotenks got their idea from.
IIIII CARE ABOUT CHIAOTZUUUUUUUUU
actually that moment with goku and vegeta results one of the most annoying problems for me is just how casually they take so much of these things when they really really shouldn't
The biggest issue of the Buu Arc is how little of a shit everyone cares about what's going on despite Buu being the biggest threat so far. Buu literally kills everyone on Earth AND the Lookout and Gotenks is still grandstanding. Buu destroys the entire planet Earth and Goku and Vegeta decide "Eh, fuck fusion" and take turns fighting him.
4:32 Maybe if Vegeta were acting more like a madman throughout the fight and slowly became conflicted, this could have been better and less jarring.
4:41 For some reason, I never even thought about that, but yeah, it's weird that Goku's anger over Vegeta's action is just... gone. Like you said in part 12, there aren't enough consequences for his actions. After he returns, everyone just accepts him like that.
9:40 My thoughts exactly.
18:50 This was absolutely perfect.
Now that I compare manga with anime, this arc in general feels quite rushed in the manga. Not only for the lack of Goku vs Vegeta but also how the final volume has Vegetto vs Buu, Goku vs little Buu, Everybody vs little Buu, and antilclimatic epilogue with Uub. Everything the final volume has feels quite fast when comparing other long fights like Goku vs Vegeta or other big fights
I mean once they got to the tournament the arc did "Technically" take place over the span of like 2 to 3 days lol
Yeah the anime is what makes Vegeta great, not the manga
i think without vegeta randomly getting guilty the idea of goku and vegeta treating this as a casual thing and then realizing "oh shit, we're supposed to be doing something" kinda feels like somehting you can only do in the last arc of a story like this its been so long and they've been through so much and know each other so well its almost as if this was like a fun activity between 2 friends that havent seen each other in a long time only to rmember the reason their both there at all is to plan a wedding or something serious
Thinking about Vegeta's decision to quit the fight with Goku and take on Buu, I can come up with two explanations as to why he did it. The first, is that Goku is no longer interested in fighting as he is too busy nagging about Buu, so he won't focus on Vegeta anymore.....this one is probably true.
The second reason is that Vegeta was genuinely surprised by Buu's power. Up to this point, Vegeta may have been confident in his belief that Buu was no match for him or Goku. I know that's the whole "Cell Reaching his Perfect Form" bit coming back, but this time it's less about arrogance and more about a lack of credibility. In your earlier videos, your compare Kaioshin to Future Trunk, a character who gives a warning that the heroes aren't taking seriously. But in the Kaioshin's case, the idea the theart is not that big works better.
Every other villain in the series has something to back them up.
We know the Saiyans are powerful because Raditz was.
We know Freeza is powerful because Vegeta is scared of him.
We know the Androids are powerful because Future Trunks couldn't beat them.
But the only credence to Buu's power is what the Kaioshin said and he has repeatedly being shown to out of his own depth. He tries to build up Buu's power by saying how the Kaioshin could beat Freeza in one hit and Buu defeated them. Problem is, we already saw Trunks beat Freeza in one hit. So Kaioshin is using an outdated reference. Now, if he had used Cell instead, then this would strike harder to the characters. Goku accepts the Kaioshin's word as much he would accept King Kai's word. But Vegeta has no reason to care what the Kaioshin says since he was completely taken back by the Saiyans power in the first place. Not to mention that Babidi and his forces aren't that fearsome either, not even Dabura who Vegeta was confident he could beat. The first half of the arc does seem to toy with the idea that maybe Buu really was NOT that powerful at all and the Kaioshin was just exaggerating. Even Buu's silly appearance may have been part of this red herring. Even Gohan thought he could beat Buu when he first saw him. That would honestly would be an equally fun twist to find out that Buu is a weakling the whole time.
Maybe Vegeta really did think that Buu wasn't going to be a problem and thus he didn't care if he was released? That would cast his actions in slightly different light at least, if he thought the Earth and his family were in no real danger from Buu and that Vegeta could just put him down with ease after fighting Goku. With Cell, it's just Vegeta's ego and not much else. But with Buu, well, maybe there was no real danger? All we have is the Kaioshin's word and, well, he's not done much to earn the character's attention or respect.
Vegeta had every right to not take the Kai's word on Boo's power. Up until that point the Kai had been wrong about just about everything.
@@kevinlee9929 At least Kaoishin wasn't wrong in being the only one to bother searching for Gohan's body before declaring him dead!
@@BagOfMagicFood Thats only because he was the reason that Gohan lived and survived Buu's attack.
I didn’t know the Majin Vegeta vs Goku fight was so barebones in the manga.
That shit was so hype in the anime.
It fascinates me how little recognition you have, you really do deserve more especially in the Dragon Ball community
Thank you for your content
09:11 I mean I could only imagine that admitting to designing your villains based off of your editor would only brew bad blood and drama with one another.
Not necessarily. Toriyama has never been coy about it in the past. Dr. Mashirito, a villain from Dr. Slump, is a mind-bogglingly obvious play on Torishima Kazuhiko to the point that Mashirito literally has Torishima's face, and his name is simply Torishima backwards.
I'm been watching some of your older episodes lately, and the drop in quality in Dragon Ball in the Boo saga (both in art and story, but especially on art) is incredible noticiable, Toriyama's attention just wasnt there anymore...nor was ours.
I remember when I first read this back when I was a kid, and I knew Vegeta was coming back in a few issues, despite all the efforts both Toriyama and Shonnen Jump were making to let us know that "seriously kids, he is dead, and his soul is going to hell, he is not coming back!".
Also, something that always bugged me is why all the characters are so shocked about Gohan being dead...ok, lets asume he was dead...Gohan never died before, he is actually the only character that could be brought back by Earth's Dragon Balls...did all characters forgot about this? did Toriyama forgot about this?
And the cast will keep mentioning how sad they are because Gohan is dead and he is not coming back...again, did they forgot Gohan never died?
Anyway, great video, as always, sadly, the Boo saga will only get more dumb from now on...
Actually it gets better
Imagine if Buu turned Babidi into a cookie instead, and after Vegeta’s self destruction Buu now lacks a body and chooses to take over Dabra’s since he wasn’t turned into a cookie?
Would explain Buu’s new lean, evil look while establishing that Buu’s body can be destroyed but his essence can survive on to possess a new body. Maybe this would inspire them to have to seal away Buu instead of destroying him?
4:15 Vegeta grew sleeves in that top panel!
You know, I Thought you might mention that Buu's Ability to spew Gum to wrap his enemys in is TOTALLY STOLEN from Giran in the first tournament, his Gurugurugamu, or Merry-Go-Round Gum as most probably know it! Kinda sad you didn't mention it, but hey, I don't mind too much =D
And now: Happy tenth Anniversary =D
Your opinion on Piccolo's sudden buff in regeneration was one of the things I looked forward to the most in this arc. Result: short but cathartic. 😁
One of the only things I agreed with in the video
Holy HECK I've just watched all 116 of these videos in four days. WOW.
Vegeta's sacrifice is ruined for me by the fact that it accomplishes nothing. It was all for nothing. This is why I can't get behind it as awesome character development for Vegeta. He's clearly trying to be like Goku at the end of the Cell saga and gets a worse version. I've seen that defended as "Well, Goku didn't stop Cell! either!", but Goku altered the trajectory of the timeline. As in, Cell was going to blow up the world and kill everyone, and he didn't. But with Vegeta, but did everything he was going to do, just pushed back a couple minutes. "But he saved the sons!" They could've just had him fight Buu normally to hold him off while they escaped and he gets slowly beaten to death; they didn't specifically have to have him blow himself up. That at least wouldn't have had the problem of making you think that might've stopped Buu and then not since everyone knew it never would and that was never the intent.
And it didn't even save anyone. Buu kills the sons and Piccolo and everyone in the world and then blows up the world anyway, and Goku, someone completely unrelated to that is the one who saves the day. So Buu was not killed and went on to do all the exact same things he would've done in the exact same order. Imagine if Cell had reappeared and inflated himself again and succeeded in blowing up the world with everyone helpless to do anything. It would be like "Okay, well, narratively, what was the point of that?"
And this exact thing happened with the Chiaotzu death, but that at least made me feel something because it added to how dastardly Nappa was. Not only do they not do that with Buu because of how silly he is, but everyone's gone, so you don't get a bunch of hurt reactions of everyone there watching it, just people being briefly surprised and momentarily melancholy when they find out later.
Regeneration in Dragon Ball would have been nicer if it had a cost to it, like energy. Would have been nice for Cell too, to see him get visibly more tired each time he regenerates until he is too tired to regenerate.
It does come with a cost. Piccolo loses energy when he regenerates and can only regrow his limbs. Cell's regeneration was pretty inconsistent and confusing. Buu is the only can thar can regenerate from anything and not lose energy.
@@jasonone8726and thats if god ki didnt retcon it
@@elcalabozodelandroide2 If you're referring to when Goku healed himself against Beerus, that was an anime only thing.
10 years of Dragon Ball Dissection, that's just crazy, and to think that where only half way through the Majin Boo arc, my guess is that it will take one more year untill we reach the end of the Boo arc.
To be exact 9 years and 1 month since it was started January of 2012
@@ericbrown6203 Yes he already said that in the video, really I say 10 years because that's my prediction of how long the series is going to last.
Man, I was about to comprehensively explain the passage of time before you preempted me. Now what will I do with the next 20 minutes? Eh. Guess I'll watch the video.
Keep up the great work. I recommend this series to every Dragon Ball fan, especially your video addressing the idea that Goku "isn't a hero".
This guy should have waaay more subs. This is a very underrated channel.
Don’t worry everyone vegeta is completely pure of heart in 4 years
Congratulations on 10 strong years of Dragon Ball Dissection! I’ve been watching from the start and it’s amazing to see how far you have come with the series! Honestly my favorite part of the series is learning new things about the series and how it was influenced by other media :D Congratulations again for reaching this milestone!!!
9:29 - I hate these internal inconsistencies. If Piccolo is fine as long as his head is intact, then what about when he sacrificed himself for Gohan? What about the other Namekians killed by Frieza but with their heads still intact? What about his father who was run through the chest by kid Goku and died? It's like Saiyans not growing hair anymore once they grow it (so Vegeta looks the same after returning from the time chamber but Trunks has long hair). What point does that serve? And why, in Dragon Ball Super do Goku and Vegeta both have beards when coming out, and in GT, Vegeta not only has a moustache, but also CUT his hair, apparently never to have the longer hair again (unless it is on his face?)?
I'm gonna bet MistareFusion is a Gotenks fan. At least I hope... there's not much good stuff left in the arc.
Satan and Buu, ,Old Kai, human extinction attack, vegito, spirit bomb actually killing someone, Vegeta admitting Goku is superior, fight on the lookout and room of spirit and time, ending (besides goku leaving to go with Ubb),
@@Powerman77775 Oh, yeah, I was skipping a lot of stuff in my head lol
I don't think MF will like Vegito, though. I like Vegito because I like Dragon Ball as a video game structure and Vegito characters are usually pretty fun/OP. I don't think there's much to him in the narrative sense, but I could be wrong.
The best of this arc hasn't come yet imo
I know I'm in the minority but I like the Buu arc more than the Cell arc. I really like Gotenks and y'know I like final battles where a bunch of characters AREN'T standing around watching the final fight and slack jawed. Goku vs. Piccolo Jr, Cell games, the less spectators going 'wow how can they do that!?' the better.
Personally I hate Gotenks. He's all hype and manages to accomplish absolutely nothing. The fact that he looks like a little Vegeta as a SSJ is perfect because he basically IS a little Vegeta from the previous story arch on steroids.
The only bad thing about getting to be a patreon is that I forgot that I was and then got excited to see an upload, then I realized that it's the episode I already saw.
Although I do have to say that Goku wanting a one on one fight verses a two verses one fight is not merely at the behest of the plot. Goku clearly prefers a one on one fight but he's not above teaming up if he needs it.
Goku wants to fight against Buu because they can't win on their own but together they can.
Goku didn't need to team up against Yakon because he won on his own.
He didn't team up against Cell not only because Cell was an almost equal match for Goku anyway and Goku thought he might've had a shot but he knew Gohan could win one on one and he wasn't wrong.
I just don't think it's as simple as "The Plot demands it".
Plus for better or for worse as much as you might hate it and prefer otherwise there are large sections of the story where the other characters would just get killed if they interfered and they can do little more than buy time or maybe give a distraction (Which is usually what they end up doing anyway).
He did team up with piccolo to defeat Raditz
@@vikhyathnalla624 I know that, that's because he couldn't beat him on his own....which is my point. It's not arbitrary as though "The plot demands it". It's not a character inconsistency that's my point.
Once again. Nailing it on the Vegeta commentary. His sacrifice, if nothing else, was so well done in the moment, it's easy to forget the emotional impact of it isn't earned at all. And that it's really more heartbreaking for Trunks and Bulma (and to an extent Goten) than Vegeta.
the only intros on youtube i don't skip
I do like the broken Piccolo gag :(
Especially when Trunks sees the "result" of what he did lol
I binges this series three times. Thank you for the series Lance!
Nice one. Vegeta, Piccolo, the kids, Babidi.. it all works pretty well here.
Buu's eating people always striked me as super unsettling.
Especially with the implication they were still conscience with Vegio Candy is anything to go by .
@@nicholassims9837 Chi Chi's death will be an interesting talk.
@@Soynereh she slaps Super Buu and gets turned into an egg .
I think the worse thing Buu can turn you into is a sucker or jawbreaker something that would make you die slowly by Buu sucking on you at least a chocolate bar he eats you quickly .
Whew, I've been watching this for months and finally caught up to present day. This show is brilliant, and I can't wait for the next episode!
To the point about Piccolo regenerating: something I always concluded for myself was that Piccolo probably didn't even realize for himself how much it was possible for him to regenerate from UNTIL the Cell saga. And since Cell kept going "I CAN COME BACK FROM WHATEVER BECAUSE PICCOLO JUICE!" Piccolo probably went "huh... Guess that means I'm a lot more durable than I thought."
The limitation about it being energy taxing is also fairly irrelevant now since Piccolo is stronger than a Super Sayian, and also never fights anymore anyway so that facet might as well never come up anymore.
That would make sense except for one thing: why did Piccolo die to Nappa then? There was no mortal wound. If piccolo could regenerate so well he should be able to shrug that off.
@@DidgeridudeEX i imagine it comes down to the fact that it takes a lot of energy for him to regenerate. In the Sayian arc, he only had, what, 1000 battle power? By now he's gotta be over the tens of millions in terms of numerical designation. If he's dumping energy into Health Points when he regenerates, it stands to reason he can heal from far worse damage than he used to be capable of now that he has more energy to throw around.
@@randomfox12245 eh to me it seems more like a plot contrivance but hey whatever floats your boat :P. I actually liked this gag with trunks knocking over the statue despite the inconsistency though.
I think when most people argue against misterfusion it is because they're comparing the anime adaptation of the Manga which sometimes makes alot of what missing in the Manga more prominent and better in the anime
It feels like after Frieza, there was more care put into the anime than the manga that spawned it.
@@LizardOfOz69 Even before in the and during the frieze saga there were many details put in. Also mostly I'm talk about dubbed because that's what I'm formiliar with
@@codenamelj the dialogue doesn't matter when indisputably there is more worthwhile content in the anime after the Frieza saga than the manga has after the same arc. Before that though, the manga was superior.
@@LizardOfOz69 it's sometimes does especially we an entirely different message is received but also I was really talking about dialog just mentioned dubbed just in case the original had different scenes than what I remembered because of censorship or just a difference in culture
@@codenamelj you know ya done goofed when fucking Kai has to get old filler in just to make sense.
If you want an example for an Anime/Manga where the point of most fights is to be unsatisfying for the main character while still being fun for the audience there is One Punch Man.
I really wish they just let vegeta stay dead after this. His role in the kid buu fight does has some more character development it’s pretty redundant and would been more fitting to leave him dead. Honestly he should’ve stayed dead after freezer killed him.
I do agree he should have just met his end on Namek, but I also think the Kid Buu stuff was necessary to tie this arc in particular together.
I've said before that it's very fitting that his "noble sacrifice" in this moment is an unmitigated failure because he did not deserve to be the hero. That's a good strong message, but I think his return only adds to that theme as he is forced to watch his pride get sliced to ribbons again and again. He gets ragdolled by Buu, says Goku is the best, has to rely on Earthlings, has to beg them for help they don't give him, has to be saved by Mr. Satan, and ultimately his key role in saving the Earth goes completely unnoticed by most of the people of Earth, as it should be.
However, had I been born Akira Toriyama and had written the story exactly the same up until that point, I would not have brought Vegeta back to life and just had him make his peace once his work was done and then disappear forever ala Movie 12. In that way, he has repaired what he destroyed, but also accepts that he cannot walk back his crimes, and passes on.
I often think, it might have been intended to let Vegeta stay dead on Namek, but due to him being so popular he was written back into the story.
@@damkylan3 So much this. If Toriyama had done something like the ending of Movie 12, it would have been a fitting ending for Vegeta
i never got why so many people liked vegeta...hes kinda trash....a big reason people do not want to watch gt and og is vegeta's limited or no role he has in a lot of those 2 shows..its quite annoying.....
When I read this in the manga I forgot how brutal it was Buu sure is unique when to laying the beatdown
Goku and Vegeta definitely could have had a more interesting fight for the sake of the audience, but I have to say the funny thing with their original fight is it wasn't really a complete 1v1 anyway. Goku would have pretty much lost against Vegeta if it weren't for Gohan, Krillin, and Yajirobe assisting. To me that fact sort of tones down the hype for a "refight" in the first place.
True, it was more of a pride loss for Vegeta for having to resort to the Oozaru form, but even then i doubt a Goku that can barely move after using Kaio Ken X4 could do much to the normal Vegeta.
People are reflecting the story enhancements of the anime onto Vegeta here. I empathize, because I'm a Gohan fan.
True man the anime shows more spectacle and I realized the manga couldn’t or didn’t show that
This was really well done. Probably one of the best episodes
It's the end of the prince as we know him (and Lance feels fine).
"That's Chaozu's technique!"
can't wait for the rant against Goku coming later
Goku tries to reason with Vegeta for 3rd time.
And then immediately regrets it again.
>Goku
>Reason
What?
Nothing more poetic than youtube suggesting the Dragonball dissection "Saiyan Saga" episode next in the autoplay. Full circle.
18:50 Now whenever I see that scene I will always imagine Vegeta screaming that!
The VizBig versions of the manga actually have that chapter title peom for vegeta although the wording is a little different than you're wording.
"Question mark...elipsis...wink wink" -Akira Toriyama, 1994
Quality content as always!
Gratz on ten years! This has been such a great ride, I look forward to rewatching it once it's completed.
At least the anime fight between Goku n vegeta was awesome
He will live long, he makes to much money to die these days.
Toriyama basing bad guys off of his editors gave a little more substance to some of the best manga/anime villains of all time.
I think I could see the "Vegeta vs Goku is intentionally boring" point. Like a dig at the audience for wanting a pointless fight just like Vegeta. I dunno if Toriyama was going quite that meta with this though.
But I really need to reread that part. I'll keep that in mind.
I think that Toriyama wasn't as focused on the fight itself, but rather in the fallout of it happening (Majin Buu being released and Vegeta's sacrifice) Not that he intended for it to be satisfying or unsatisfying in any way, he was just getting from A to B in my eyes.
Personally I think it looks better in anime
Always love the panel of Vegeta in the classic saiyan armor. Really enjoyed how Vegeta grew and continue to care in the end for his family and even Goku
This should have been a permanent sacrifice for Vegeta. It would have been masterful storytelling that the proud prince failed at everything he's ever aspired to. Even his one noble act that cost him his life. He would be permanently punished for his heinous actions throughout his lifes. Bringing him back to life undercuts all of it. As well as having all forgiven and everything forgotten about. I too wish Trunks could had talked some sense into Vegeta or at least contribute to it.
These a rewrite Fanfiction that does that and Vegeta has a very massive What Have I Become moment . Ps in this fanfic Goku is a girl .
i did *not* expect that joke at the end, got me good
Wow that bit about the poem is really interesting. Didn't think I'd ever see DB referencing poetry. And turnsout it happened in the past.
I'm sure you get messages like this all the time but I was literally JUST thinking about when this video would drop, and checked UA-cam on a whim, to find it was made public 38 seconds ago. Incredible. (commented and liked for the algorithm)
Happy 10 years of Dragon Ball Dissection!!!
Damn i can only imagine how different the story would've been had they kept vegeta dead and didn't bring goku back after his time was up
So much better, i tell you that.
its not like im against that idea but the question is, then who defeats buu? gotenks? i can't stand him, gohan? he didn't earned his power up at all, maybe team effort to seal him again?
I'm personally glad they brought Goku and Vegeta back. Boo Saga was the first time on Z that the story felt like a complete "Happy Ending".
Then make Gohan's power up earned and you're golden lol.
@@prometheusmodelow8322 nah, he doesn't fit the mc role.
Kind of weird in super that goku becomes less willing to work with someone to defeat an enemy. I think toriyama pushed both toei and toyotarou to make goku more selfish to make up for how the dub made goku more like superman.
I don't think totoyamas watched the dub. That quote was about how they wrote goku in the movies
@@SomeRandomDude000000 I think he heard about it since the dub pushed dragonball more on the map. I dont think he saw the dub either.
What makes Buu's regeneration more advanced then Cell's is that Buu wears cloths and can refix that .
Out of curiosity, is this where evil souls sent to Hell eventually reincarnating was established?
I believe so. It was mention in the past that evil people don't get to keep their bodies(other than in plot hole laden filler), so they just become spirits. The idea they can be reincarnated as new life form is someone only mentioned here by Piccolo.
ShinobiPXO Okay. Thanks for the answer. ❤️
13:20 They made Trunk's face on that 4th look so weird in the anime and statue of this moment I have on my shelf.
Awesome coverage!
Funny how the rules of the After Life that Piccolo explained here got completely contradicted by Super, which is apparently Canon.
Super will never be canon
@@HistoryandReviews it's canon dude
Congrats on 10 years of amazing content. 😺
wow its not only been 10 years....
but its also been over a year since Boo. JEEZ it felt like its only been a 3 or 4 months
So, Vegeta always fails. Is he a Yamcha?
Vegeta fails because he’s a jerk, Yamcha fails because he’s a poor dolt.
Just a month and a half into the year and a DBD episode already?!
great as always.
Nice observation there contrasting Vegeta punching teen Trunks and kid Trunks here!
im going to be honest. i was always glad vegeta stole the bean from goku. I had always pictured awful results from a person who is physically dead eating a senzu bean. like a half melted zama-ku black, or maybe it would simply revive him and thus breaking universal laws. vegeta saved us from a whole mess.
vegetas sacrifice had me sooo sad as a kid lmao
Since this series reaching close to its end, I think it would be interesting to take the same approach towards the Berserk manga.
Bro if he can take 10 years dissecting DRAGON BALL? Berserk would take literal centuries for all the shit to dissect in it
@@jeremiahbennett3004 I mean I'd stick around for it
Maaaan this would've been a nice video to catch while in a power outage, but I get to catch it now in a restless night
18:50 I've watched this moment so many times and it still kills me lmao