In case you missed it when John was explaining the different types of ammunition for the cannons, the rounds fired at Jozen and his men were chain rounds. Essentially 2 cannon balls with heavy chain strung between them. They spin while flying to their target, to horrifying results. Essentially, a blender fired from a cannon.
Cozmo Jarvis as Blackthorn. 「I auditioned for and received this role. There were several stages of auditions, and at first I was given a portion of the script, which I recorded myself and sent to the casting people for review. After a few rounds of auditions, I received the script for Episode 1, and the final audition was held using scenes from that episode. When I was informed that I had been selected, I was in complete disbelief.」
Tadanobu Asano, who plays Kashigi Yabu, is also one of Japan's leading actors. In Japan, most of them appear in movies as leading roles, and they rarely appear in TV dramas. He is a famous actor who has won numerous domestic and international awards, including the Japan Academy Award. Originally, he was classified as a cool, handsome actor who often played roles with a twisted and dark heart, and had many young female fans. However, from around the age of 40, the number of roles with comedic elements increased. He is also an actor with a strong presence in Japan.
Courtesans are not only basic providers of “pillowing”. They’re can be cultured and well read and like Kiku have other skills like musicianship. They provide advanced companionship beyond pillowing.
Kiku herself is written to be a geisha of the highest order and the most skilled in Izu. In music, poetry, small talk, pillowing etc. Her cost is incredibly expensive, and Omi can't help himself.
A highborn lady in the Sengoku period who is without a Lord to ensure her protection is nothing. Such a woman will fall victim to random men who will rape her or force her into servitude. Sepukku would be the best alternative for a woman of high status who have lost their master. Any low born Samurai would be honored to adopt Fuji's family name. Though rare but also not uncommon is for a man of high status such as a Taiko to have more than one woman. The #1 woman runs the estate, and finances while the #2 or #3 have the position to act as sisters-in-law or child bearers. Any 3 of them have a duty to bear children if the man of the house so wishes. The #1 consort/wife would need sisters-in-law to help run a large estate. A man may keep a woman in each feif if he owns more than one village. Fuji is required to pillow with Blackthorn if he demands pillowing but John is aware enough not to press her since he knows she is still grieving. Buntaro's possible death opens a door for Mariko's feeling of freedom for a short time. Johns sudden shift in status, and all that gift giving between John and Fuji as well as their imaginary English date changes the way she thinks about Blackthorne who doesn't care about her family's traitorous history. So Mariko pillowing with Blackthorne was a gift that must remain a secret. Fuji has no idea of the Courtesan visit but has her suspicions that Mariko and Blackthorne did the deed but she will keep quiet to ensure she has a roof over her head now that she realizes that her master, despite being a stinky unwashed barbarian, is a kind and honorable man worthy of bearing her family's swords. If Blackthorn asked for Mariko's hand in marriage, he would be denied cause Blackthorn will be marrying into the family name of a traitor. It's also bad luck to keep a traitor's name in your court retinue. It is also presumptuous of Blackthorne to have a 2nd wife since he would need to be at Toranaga's level of wealth to do so. I suspect Toranaga will keep Blackthorne on land in order to prevent Blackthorne from committing acts of Piracy against Portuguese vessels despite the treaty between Spain and Portugal claiming ownership of Japan. Japan needs to keep open trade between nations and will deal with the Portuguese if they overstep their imaginary authority. He needs an ally eager to attack the Portuguese if these foreigners overreach their authority over his dominion. John's Ship and it's letters of Marque from the Queen of England is significant in Toranaga's decision to grant Anjin the status of Hatamoto so early in the story. This is indeed Toranaga 4D Chess if you knew Kiku's role in all this. Kiku the courtesan who services Omi was the spy that told Toranaga of Blackthorn's ship in Yabushige's feif. Yabushige's hesitancy in telling Toranaga about the ship is what leads Toranaga into suspecting Yabu's possible treachery. It's also why Toranaga didn't stay in Yabushige's village for too long preferring to row back to the safety of his own Samurai aboard his ship. While Omi pulls his Toranaga's son's strings, Kiku pulls Omi's strings and who is behind it all? Toranaga of course. To ensure her loyalty, Kiku's courtesan contract was bought by Toranaga. Toranaga's son acting too early would not be a disadvantage to Toranaga if he is already prepared for war. It would still take the other regents 6 months after the last frost to prepare a response. That means Toranaga would have had to store weapons, food, and supplies at least a year before the cannon incident.
This part was not explained very well, but it wasn't just about a dick measuring contest. Omi is responsible for Yabushige while he's in his village. Someone jumping at his lord with swords could be countered with his usual samurai bodyguards. But a sudden pistol attack would be harder to contest. So for security reasons they did not want him to have guns near any important people. On the flip side, if he did give them up, he'd also never get it back. So keeping them in the house is the half compromise they did and only because his consort Fuji actually outranks Omi in terms of nobility, which is why he bothered to bow and respect the situation.
In the original novel & the 1980 adaptation, the "cannon tactic" scene was actually a gun training scene. This show replaced it with cannon tactic because it's not historically accurate in that period for the Japanese to unable to use guns. They've been using guns for 50 years in battles, so guns were already pretty common in that era. Even Japanese warrior monks at that time knew how to use guns. With cannons, British tactics was unheard of at that time (1600) because there were no English person in Japan before William Adams (the inspiration for Blackthorn character). Adams was the 1st English person ever stepping his foot in Japan. This is why I like this show. The showrunners make an effort to be as culturally & historically accurate as much as possible whilst still respecting the novel as the source material for the story.
Riffles was already main strategy even during Nobunaga's era. By the time Nobunaga unified (almost) the whole Japan, most samurai and their troops already mastered the use of guns. That's why Fuji, the granddaughter of famous samurai, know how to use it as well.
A consort is a wife but, not quite, she his head of household, runs the house, runs the servants, keeps the books, and for some bear children, the pregnant lady in Osaka is one of Toronaga's consorts, the older lady is his wife
@@Steelix371 many, if not most do. If you remember the scene from ep 2, the older lady is the Taiko's wife, Lady Ochiba, the kids mother, is the Taiko's consort
@@Steelix371It was very normal in Japan for example the mother of the heir was the Tokais consort, who was much younger then his wife, it was very normal for both men and woman in Japan to have multiple consorts, very rare nobles stayed faithful to one another.
It was normal for most lords to have concubines in the medieval times. Child mortality was insane so they would be getting kids by any means. Several historical conflicts occurred because no successor could be found
In the FX podcast on this episode their Historian also pointed out that for Blackthorn to have the position he has he needed to be adopted into a samurai family, hence the consort. She and hence he then outranks Omi in the argument over the guns. They were definitely trying it on, banking on his ignorance.
this episode was fucking hilarious, emotional and moving, and thrilling all at ONCE. like even if that final scene was not included, the ep is still THAT. 10/10.
At that time, Japanese samurai commonly engaged in political marriages in order to protect their clans. Mariko's model Gracia Hosokawa and her husband Tadaoki were both forced into marriage at the age of 16.
google translate did not help with the initial metaphor Edit: found this online. is it correct? (There is a Japanese saying "Hyotan kara koma ga deru". "Koma" means a horse, but of course a horse can't spring out of a gourd. The meaning is that things can happen in unexpected places)
@@asadyousafzai937 Originally, during the Sengoku period, when a lord played a playful game with his vassals, he would give a gourd containing pieces to the victorious vassal. The vassals around him ridiculed him and said, ``It's a very stingy reward,'' but at the end of the game, the lord exchanged the gourd for a famous horse. From there, the term ``pieces from a gourd'' came to be used to refer to receiving an unexpected reward.
The Paper Walls, Tatami Mat Floors, Gravel and Moss Gardens are all to prevent assassinations, they make noise and are fragile to interact with. The Consort not sleeping is also to prevent assassinations, to keep watch until the Lord is actually asleep.
Wrong, Mariko explained why the houses are built with those materials. The gravel is put down so the moss can grow on it because moss is very important to the Japanese culture, that’s why the stone slabs are there, to walk on when the moss grows on the gravel. As far as the consort not sleeping, there are guards both inside and outside the property walls. Everything you said was factually false.
@@Sufferingzify No. Again, everything you say is wrong. You seem obsessed with reducing everything to assassinations and that sort of thing. That's not how real life works.
The actor for Omi really broke out a pretty killer expression there at the end, just the hint of a shit eating grin, buddy was playing Toranagas son right into doing exactly this, smart move
Not quite, Omi is far from little finger. Kiku who planted the idea into Omni’s head is Toranaga’s spy. So Omi influencing Toranaga’s son is actually Toranaga’s plan from the start. With this move, Toranaga get the result he want (forcing Ishido to move out from the safety of his territory to start a war), but also able to test whether his son is a kind of person that can get played or not.
36:35 What Blackthorne's sampling is called Natto. They're fermented Soybeans; very sticky and stinky, hence the comparison to "rotting cheese". It's considered a breakfast staple in Japan today.
I think making Blackthorne over-emotional was a creative choice so he looks like how he would look to the Japanese. Traditionally, Western shows about Japan just make the Japanese seem really stoic and opaque. Instead the Japanese seem normal in this show and Blackthorne looks rude and unstable. lol
The fact that you said you love black sails is an instant sub, then you busted the flush by saying you love prison break :D Fuji is my favorite character atm, I think she will not want to leave John after her 6 month obligation.
that's because this is only a mini-series, 1 season covers the entire original book, so after the first season they would not have anymore source material to work with, so it makes sense to only have one season. But I agree ti's sad, this show is so great, it would be great to have more seasons, but it would be hard for them to make more seasons when there are no more source materials to work with.
44:49 ChainShot! If you UA-cam “chainshot” there’s a mythbuster video of a chain being shot from a cannon and that one doesn’t even have two heavy balls on either side. Based on that video I’d imagine the Shogun scene is pretty accurate of a real ChainShot hitting a live horse and rider.
BTW - in the book while swimming everybody was naked.Women to because in the book Mariko was also swimming. Just sayin'. --- And Fuji is a bad ass! --- Excellent job of editing!
If you remember, the guard says "You are now a prisoner of Lord Kiyama", the christian lord that wears red, the one who sent the assassin and attacked Toronaga's group in the woods
Someone else explained that Lady Fuji's father is Lord Yoshii Torunaga's Right hand man,thus her place in the chain of Nobility is far above Lord Yabushige who is only a vassal Lord to one of Yoshi's lesser Bannerman. Thus explaining why Yabushige had to bow to her as she pointed the gun at him.
your are mostly right but it was omi san, who bow to fuji sama not yabushiga who is not a simple vassal to toranaga. Yabushiga is the lord of the province Izu. Omi is only the ruler of a small fisher village.
Natto are just fermented soy beans. Very popular food in Japan, even today. Most households make their children eat natto at a very young age, as it is very nutritive. Obviously, some Japanese do not like it, but others mix it with rice or raw eggs.
I hope that our boy Yabushige's luck changes soon. Aside from being obsessed about the nature of death. Yabushige's sensibility and rationales are most relatable for us in modern time.
45:57 Thanks love you guys ☯️🙏 Awesome reaction and review of this Phenomenal show! I Loved the comedy gold of John Blackthorn 😂 And that Powerful Moment of Weapons exchange bought tears to my eyes brilliant acting💯 And Crazy ending right! Cannons💥😮 Looking forward to seeing what's next, Stay awesome Shane Joy Zach 🤘
Yea but in beggining i was thinking he is toronaga spy but now im wondering if he is a spy for christians being christian himself and the chick consort who said omi should be lord is maybe toranaga spy just my thoughts though.
@@kylegareau9238ohhh i never thought of it that way. And the shot where we saw the christian sending a pigeon and toranaga recieving it could be a mis direction as to who is the spy. Clever way of staging the scene. Love it.🤯🤩
@@Lord_Fenrir another reason i feel its her the guy that sends the pigeon he only sees anjin before yabushige(prolly spelled wrong) sees the anjin and the chick would have heard omi and yabu talking after yabu spared the anjin and toranaga says to mariko that the barbarian would could be real useful to him meaning he would have known the porteguese wanted him dead and the courtisan prolly relayed it to him, idk maybe i thinking to hard into it but just seems more plausible now that i think back on it.
@@kylegareau9238 no it actualy makes sense. Its really clever since in the books and 1980s version kiku and blackthorne actually meet i believe and it affects his relationship/rivalry with omi. The writing and directing was really well done. Misdirection and telling whats happening without saying who.
yes it's all about social class and status and seniority, it's polite to address someone who has a higher social class and status or is senior to you as "sama", but it's disrespectful for someone to address someone of a lower status or junior as "sama". The gardener is just one of Blackthorne's workers, his staff are all beneath him in status, being the Hatamoto and the lord of his own house he cannot call his staff "sama".
I don't write with the intention of discriminating against people in the West. In the era of this story, people in Europe and the United States were sometimes seen in the same way as animals in Japan. At that time, Fuji was ordered to become the wife of a Portuguese, so it must have been very prepared. 欧米の人々を差別する意図で書き込みをするわけではありませんが。この物語の時代は、欧米の人間は、日本では動物と同じような目で見られる事もありました。そんな時代にフジは、ポルトガル人の妻になる事を命じられたのですから、大変な覚悟が必要だったでしょう。
@@gtavgamer670what a weird response. I take it you didn’t like it, and so you figure those who did like it had superficial reasons? Seems a little short sighted.. if I reading correctly, of course. Maybe you actually really just like sex scenes
Bushido, the code of conduct of a samurai, applies to women and men. Seppaku can only be performed by the elite. There are many ceremonies that are supposed to be performed precisely. You see many, many examples of highly ritualized movement here. Also Buddhism is important. There is obvious tension between Christian lords and traditional Buddhists. Pure Land Buddhism is presented but not discussed.
this episode was so good. this show so far has absolutely blown me away. its gotten compared to game of thrones a lot but to me it reminds me more of black sails.
What a great reaction and program. This episode begs the question, "What was Isido's men doing there in the first place?" Who inform Isido of the training? This was not, "I'm delivering a message and happen to stumble upon a training exercise of cannons". Remember Toranaga is a "master tactician and strategist". I believe the message was an excuse for the real reason. I, also, believe that Mariko was "sharing the pillow" with Blackthorn. Thank you for a wonderful reaction.
He’s the first and only sailor not to immediately find a wiring lady the minute He hits a port. Fiction is fun. I’d bet the farm he was so noble on the other side of the world with people He doesn’t know
Apologies to you all, but the summaries are not your strong point. The reactions are good and fun to watch, but if you’re going to summarize, be more prepared. I know the names are hard but, the storyline are being confused to a point that I just forward to the reaction.
@@TerryBernardino 4:08 nope, there were 5 in total including Toranaga and four were present in the meeting: Ishido, lepresy guy and lord kiyama(both christians) and that other dude that didn't really say anything and was just looking around. Zakk(i think that's his name. the one on the right) was talking about the guy who didn't speak in the meeting
To compare a consort in another book, Lady Jessica is Ledo's consort in Game of Thrones. Her son is the heir unlike if she was a prostitute. That would be a "bastard."
Regarding the sex scene - it's subtle - they agreed to send a courtesan (prostitute) to the Anjin - but what actually happened was She (I forget her name) went to Anjin instead (probably because she's attracted to him) but publicly the story is that a courtesan was sent to the Anjin - hence her need to keep up appearances; as it would be improper /conflict of interest if she was known to have slept with the Anjin. They don't do a great job of explaining this - as we aren't shown the conversation about sending the courtesan and also it isn't clear that she was the one to visit the anjin (as her face was obscured). Anyway, that's what I gathered from this scene.
Also, as part of polite society, Fuji was the consort; so Mariko cant very well admit that She slept with John behind Fuji’s back. But from her knowing look, id assume Fuji was aware of the “yobai”. And for his part, John quickly took the hint, did not pester her further, and just mentioned his appreciation for the “gift”. I guess in our modern world, we could just narrow it down to two words: plausible deniability.
If I remember correctly, I think in the book they actually do send a courtesan to him but it is dark and she's wearing Mariko's perfume. However, in the episode here, it is definitely Mariko, which makes sense.
lol, i was a Japanese restaurant once and I was curious about Natto, and the Japanese owner warned me it's strong (as in the smell and taste), like several times, so I didn't try it.
Did they fire Chain Shot at the end, two cannon ball's linked by a chain. These would not bounce on but they would bury in the mud. And looking at the muddy ground I am not even sure if a cannon ball would bounce. The only problem was the accuracy of the shot's, I am going to put that down to Blackthorne being a execellent teacher.
@@kylegareau9238I agree, maybe the show intentionally trying to misled us in thinking that the Old Christian man is Toronaga’s spy because of showing us a scene where the Old man sends a Pigeon with a message on it and Toranaga also receiving a Pigeon in Episode 1. I think the Old Man is actually sending the Pigeon to Kiyama the Christian Samurai Lord while the Pigeon Toranaga received was from Kiku.
Actually they didnt understand it wasnt the cannon that was better given that the cannons that were used in the demonstrations were 50 years old in the story bought from the portuguese and I believe and these are not English cannons, The Englishman used his maths and english naval cannon techniques to make the cannons work better in use. (Also his cannons are probably still in Edo city along with his men)
somebody made a comment that maybe the Portuguese gave them a worse demonstration on purpose so as to not show their hand. In the event of any conflict the Japanese would not be well prepared for the Massacre the cannons could cause
British cannons were just superior. Faster to reload, can be fired from a greater distance and far more accurate than anything the Spanish could field. Partly why the Brits won, often, against the Spanish Armadas. Spanish tried to offset it with simply having three times the amount of cannons the English had - But to no avail. During that time period the English were unbeatable at Sea.
It seems you're getting things wrong every 30 seconds in the intro! ahhaha write notes better, Tho this kind of stuff is probably not yuor cup of tea. Still love your reactions so far! More blessings to all of you!
the fact that the show has fuji and blackthorn show more of a love connection then the real love interest in mariko is very concerning but then again the actress that plays fuji sama should of been mariko and the other actress that plays mariko should of never been hired in the first place. the only reason they got her is cause she's a looker. other than that shes playing the charecter of mariko all wrong. the book and the 80s tv series were so much better with the role of mariko then this show is doing right now.
I don’t get a love connection between Fuji Sama and John at all. Just politeness and trying to be respectful. Mariko and John having romantic feelings has been pretty clear to me
@@MarieS610 we all know that he is suppose to have this love connection with mariko. it's just doesn't feel like those two are even the bit most connected in that way. you feel that more so with fuji then mariko but who knows maybe over time the actress that plays mariko will figure out how the character from the book and tv show acted. plus given how much more screen time mariko has had with blackthorn vs fuji. still a great show just not sold one bit on the actress that plays mariko. she has the same acting style from Pachinko and brought it over to this show.
I feel the same way. I thought that they would break down Fuji's so called "eight fold fence" bit by bit over time and eventually She will come to care for him(maybe not necessarily romantically), not by duty alone but due to her own feelings towards him. I just don't buy Mariko's character the way it's being portrayed but it's not breaking my immersion of the show P.S. I haven't read the book or seen the 80's show. this is just my observation
In case you missed it when John was explaining the different types of ammunition for the cannons, the rounds fired at Jozen and his men were chain rounds. Essentially 2 cannon balls with heavy chain strung between them. They spin while flying to their target, to horrifying results. Essentially, a blender fired from a cannon.
Cozmo Jarvis as Blackthorn.
「I auditioned for and received this role. There were several stages of auditions, and at first I was given a portion of the script, which I recorded myself and sent to the casting people for review.
After a few rounds of auditions, I received the script for Episode 1, and the final audition was held using scenes from that episode.
When I was informed that I had been selected, I was in complete disbelief.」
Tadanobu Asano, who plays Kashigi Yabu, is also one of Japan's leading actors. In Japan, most of them appear in movies as leading roles, and they rarely appear in TV dramas. He is a famous actor who has won numerous domestic and international awards, including the Japan Academy Award. Originally, he was classified as a cool, handsome actor who often played roles with a twisted and dark heart, and had many young female fans. However, from around the age of 40, the number of roles with comedic elements increased. He is also an actor with a strong presence in Japan.
He is a tremendous talent...playing an interesting character.
sorry, after his scenes in Funky Forest I can't see him as a serious actor any longer.
Courtesans are not only basic providers of “pillowing”. They’re can be cultured and well read and like Kiku have other skills like musicianship. They provide advanced companionship beyond pillowing.
Kiku herself is written to be a geisha of the highest order and the most skilled in Izu. In music, poetry, small talk, pillowing etc. Her cost is incredibly expensive, and Omi can't help himself.
A highborn lady in the Sengoku period who is without a Lord to ensure her protection is nothing. Such a woman will fall victim to random men who will rape her or force her into servitude. Sepukku would be the best alternative for a woman of high status who have lost their master. Any low born Samurai would be honored to adopt Fuji's family name.
Though rare but also not uncommon is for a man of high status such as a Taiko to have more than one woman. The #1 woman runs the estate, and finances while the #2 or #3 have the position to act as sisters-in-law or child bearers. Any 3 of them have a duty to bear children if the man of the house so wishes. The #1 consort/wife would need sisters-in-law to help run a large estate. A man may keep a woman in each feif if he owns more than one village.
Fuji is required to pillow with Blackthorn if he demands pillowing but John is aware enough not to press her since he knows she is still grieving. Buntaro's possible death opens a door for Mariko's feeling of freedom for a short time. Johns sudden shift in status, and all that gift giving between John and Fuji as well as their imaginary English date changes the way she thinks about Blackthorne who doesn't care about her family's traitorous history. So Mariko pillowing with Blackthorne was a gift that must remain a secret.
Fuji has no idea of the Courtesan visit but has her suspicions that Mariko and Blackthorne did the deed but she will keep quiet to ensure she has a roof over her head now that she realizes that her master, despite being a stinky unwashed barbarian, is a kind and honorable man worthy of bearing her family's swords.
If Blackthorn asked for Mariko's hand in marriage, he would be denied cause Blackthorn will be marrying into the family name of a traitor. It's also bad luck to keep a traitor's name in your court retinue. It is also presumptuous of Blackthorne to have a 2nd wife since he would need to be at Toranaga's level of wealth to do so.
I suspect Toranaga will keep Blackthorne on land in order to prevent Blackthorne from committing acts of Piracy against Portuguese vessels despite the treaty between Spain and Portugal claiming ownership of Japan. Japan needs to keep open trade between nations and will deal with the Portuguese if they overstep their imaginary authority. He needs an ally eager to attack the Portuguese if these foreigners overreach their authority over his dominion. John's Ship and it's letters of Marque from the Queen of England is significant in Toranaga's decision to grant Anjin the status of Hatamoto so early in the story.
This is indeed Toranaga 4D Chess if you knew Kiku's role in all this. Kiku the courtesan who services Omi was the spy that told Toranaga of Blackthorn's ship in Yabushige's feif. Yabushige's hesitancy in telling Toranaga about the ship is what leads Toranaga into suspecting Yabu's possible treachery. It's also why Toranaga didn't stay in Yabushige's village for too long preferring to row back to the safety of his own Samurai aboard his ship.
While Omi pulls his Toranaga's son's strings, Kiku pulls Omi's strings and who is behind it all? Toranaga of course. To ensure her loyalty, Kiku's courtesan contract was bought by Toranaga.
Toranaga's son acting too early would not be a disadvantage to Toranaga if he is already prepared for war.
It would still take the other regents 6 months after the last frost to prepare a response. That means Toranaga would have had to store weapons, food, and supplies at least a year before the cannon incident.
This is the first work since directed by Akira Kurosawa that expresses the image of the Japanese samurai, and is a wonderful piece of work.
This part was not explained very well, but it wasn't just about a dick measuring contest. Omi is responsible for Yabushige while he's in his village. Someone jumping at his lord with swords could be countered with his usual samurai bodyguards. But a sudden pistol attack would be harder to contest. So for security reasons they did not want him to have guns near any important people. On the flip side, if he did give them up, he'd also never get it back. So keeping them in the house is the half compromise they did and only because his consort Fuji actually outranks Omi in terms of nobility, which is why he bothered to bow and respect the situation.
In the original novel & the 1980 adaptation, the "cannon tactic" scene was actually a gun training scene. This show replaced it with cannon tactic because it's not historically accurate in that period for the Japanese to unable to use guns. They've been using guns for 50 years in battles, so guns were already pretty common in that era. Even Japanese warrior monks at that time knew how to use guns.
With cannons, British tactics was unheard of at that time (1600) because there were no English person in Japan before William Adams (the inspiration for Blackthorn character). Adams was the 1st English person ever stepping his foot in Japan.
This is why I like this show. The showrunners make an effort to be as culturally & historically accurate as much as possible whilst still respecting the novel as the source material for the story.
Riffles was already main strategy even during Nobunaga's era. By the time Nobunaga unified (almost) the whole Japan, most samurai and their troops already mastered the use of guns. That's why Fuji, the granddaughter of famous samurai, know how to use it as well.
A consort is a wife but, not quite, she his head of household, runs the house, runs the servants, keeps the books, and for some bear children, the pregnant lady in Osaka is one of Toronaga's consorts, the older lady is his wife
Wait a minute so they have a wife and the side chick also
@@Steelix371 many, if not most do. If you remember the scene from ep 2, the older lady is the Taiko's wife, Lady Ochiba, the kids mother, is the Taiko's consort
@@Steelix371It was very normal in Japan for example the mother of the heir was the Tokais consort, who was much younger then his wife, it was very normal for both men and woman in Japan to have multiple consorts, very rare nobles stayed faithful to one another.
It was normal for most lords to have concubines in the medieval times. Child mortality was insane so they would be getting kids by any means. Several historical conflicts occurred because no successor could be found
In the FX podcast on this episode their Historian also pointed out that for Blackthorn to have the position he has he needed to be adopted into a samurai family, hence the consort. She and hence he then outranks Omi in the argument over the guns. They were definitely trying it on, banking on his ignorance.
I’ve liked all of your guys Shogun videos, I watch the whole hour
this episode was fucking hilarious, emotional and moving, and thrilling all at ONCE. like even if that final scene was not included, the ep is still THAT. 10/10.
I hope to have the mental fortitude to calmly utter "You're going to regret this" after getting ripped apart by a cannon ball.
So...yeah...this is a great Shogun show.
Guns played a major role in important battles in Japan at that time. It is said that there were 50,000 guns in Japan at that time.
日本は戦国時代だったので、世界有数の銃保有国でした。世界一という説もあります。
This show has great writing, I hope the quality remains high till the end.
At that time, Japanese samurai commonly engaged in political marriages in order to protect their clans. Mariko's model Gracia Hosokawa and her husband Tadaoki were both forced into marriage at the age of 16.
「瓢箪から駒」は、瓢箪(瓜のような実をくり抜いて乾燥させ、お酒やお水を入れて使う入れ物)から、馬のような大きなものが出てきたという慣用句で、冗談で言ったことが真実になって驚く様のことです。
マリコ様が「藤殿に鉄砲を渡して下さい。彼女は命掛けで守ります」と言ったのは、鉄砲を召し上がられない為の方便でした。そうしたら本当に大切な鉄砲を藤殿に贈ってくれたので「瓢箪から駒」、本当になるとは驚いたと言いました😊
和食で臭うものと言ったら納豆です。大豆を発酵させた物で、昔から魚以外の貴重なタンパク質源でした。栄養価に優れた柔らかい大豆は、ネギと醤油を加えて食べると美味しいです。慣れない人は、粘り気と臭いが苦手かもしれません。
I heard natto is also good for the gut microbiome, similar to yogurt. For first-time natto eaters I usually recommend Kin no Tsubu niowanatto. 😉
Yeah Yogurt is beautiful.@@mathology5710
google translate did not help with the initial metaphor
Edit: found this online. is it correct? (There is a Japanese saying "Hyotan kara koma ga deru". "Koma" means a horse, but of course a horse can't spring out of a gourd. The meaning is that things can happen in unexpected places)
@@asadyousafzai937 Originally, during the Sengoku period, when a lord played a playful game with his vassals, he would give a gourd containing pieces to the victorious vassal.
The vassals around him ridiculed him and said, ``It's a very stingy reward,'' but at the end of the game, the lord exchanged the gourd for a famous horse.
From there, the term ``pieces from a gourd'' came to be used to refer to receiving an unexpected reward.
We saw him sending letters on the birds in episode 1
He’s a spyyyyy!
The Paper Walls, Tatami Mat Floors, Gravel and Moss Gardens are all to prevent assassinations, they make noise and are fragile to interact with. The Consort not sleeping is also to prevent assassinations, to keep watch until the Lord is actually asleep.
Wrong, Mariko explained why the houses are built with those materials. The gravel is put down so the moss can grow on it because moss is very important to the Japanese culture, that’s why the stone slabs are there, to walk on when the moss grows on the gravel. As far as the consort not sleeping, there are guards both inside and outside the property walls. Everything you said was factually false.
@@TerryBernardino Moss is slippery, and gravel makes a sound when tread upon. The Consort not sleeping before their Lord is for actual protection.
@@Sufferingzify No. Again, everything you say is wrong. You seem obsessed with reducing everything to assassinations and that sort of thing. That's not how real life works.
砂利の庭に関しては今でもそのような役割があります。ですが苔の庭は日本人の美的感覚によるものだと私は認識しています。
機能的な面と美しさを兼ね備えてこその日本の美って感じがしますよねぇ
The actor for Omi really broke out a pretty killer expression there at the end, just the hint of a shit eating grin, buddy was playing Toranagas son right into doing exactly this, smart move
He is the little finger of this show
Not quite, Omi is far from little finger. Kiku who planted the idea into Omni’s head is Toranaga’s spy. So Omi influencing Toranaga’s son is actually Toranaga’s plan from the start. With this move, Toranaga get the result he want (forcing Ishido to move out from the safety of his territory to start a war), but also able to test whether his son is a kind of person that can get played or not.
36:35 What Blackthorne's sampling is called Natto. They're fermented Soybeans; very sticky and stinky, hence the comparison to "rotting cheese". It's considered a breakfast staple in Japan today.
Most people don't eat natto for breakfast anynore in Japan. They eat miso soup, onigiri, omurice, or sandwich. Natto now is more of a delicacy.
私は日本人ですが、毎朝ではなくとも納豆はよく食べています。中には納豆が嫌いという日本人もいますが、納豆は日本の朝食の定番と言っていいと思います。
基本、納豆に付属のタレや醤油を合わせて混ぜ、好みで薬味を入れてご飯の上に乗せて食べます。大豆と発酵食品の両方の効果を得られるため、納豆はスーパーフードともいえるほど優れた食べ物みたいですよ。ダイエットにもいいですし、高血圧の予防やコレステロール値の低下や腸内環境にもいいそうです。
確かに臭いは強烈かもしれませんが、ものは試しで一回食べてみて下さい😊
@@P.Whitestrakeえ、食べるよ。国民食だよ。間違ったこと言わないで。
@@pokapopo555 There are quite a few differences between Kansai and Kanto.
I don't eat as much in Kansai as I do in Kanto.
@@ナオ-l4kそういう意味か。確かに関西人は納豆苦手な人が多いですね。
I like the dynamic you have in your discussions here
I think making Blackthorne over-emotional was a creative choice so he looks like how he would look to the Japanese. Traditionally, Western shows about Japan just make the Japanese seem really stoic and opaque. Instead the Japanese seem normal in this show and Blackthorne looks rude and unstable. lol
The fact that you said you love black sails is an instant sub, then you busted the flush by saying you love prison break :D Fuji is my favorite character atm, I think she will not want to leave John after her 6 month obligation.
If they follow the book, Fuji will become his wife and Mariko is destined for the sword.
@@pmcpegasus why do you exist
@@asadyousafzai937 to spoil your life 😂
@@pmcpegasus yo, that sounded WILD. I don't know why I said that, my bad
It's sad to know this show will only have 1 season. Let's hope it will keep the greatness till the end.
I didn't know this :(
that's because this is only a mini-series, 1 season covers the entire original book, so after the first season they would not have anymore source material to work with, so it makes sense to only have one season. But I agree ti's sad, this show is so great, it would be great to have more seasons, but it would be hard for them to make more seasons when there are no more source materials to work with.
also this show is FANTASTIC
I'm so happy your Channel is more successful now. 😊 Love from Assam, India 🇮🇳♥️🌺💚💚💚
Thank you Percy!
44:49
ChainShot!
If you UA-cam “chainshot” there’s a mythbuster video of a chain being shot from a cannon and that one doesn’t even have two heavy balls on either side. Based on that video I’d imagine the Shogun scene is pretty accurate of a real ChainShot hitting a live horse and rider.
BTW - in the book while swimming everybody was naked.Women to because in the book Mariko was also swimming. Just sayin'. --- And Fuji is a bad ass! --- Excellent job of editing!
If you remember, the guard says "You are now a prisoner of Lord Kiyama", the christian lord that wears red, the one who sent the assassin and attacked Toronaga's group in the woods
He can afford it since Kiyama is a business christian.
Someone else explained that Lady Fuji's father is Lord Yoshii Torunaga's Right hand man,thus her place in the chain of Nobility is far above Lord Yabushige who is only a vassal Lord to one of Yoshi's lesser Bannerman. Thus explaining why Yabushige had to bow to her as she pointed the gun at him.
your are mostly right but it was omi san, who bow to fuji sama not yabushiga who is not a simple vassal to toranaga. Yabushiga is the lord of the province Izu. Omi is only the ruler of a small fisher village.
Hiromatsu is her grandfather.
Natto are just fermented soy beans. Very popular food in Japan, even today. Most households make their children eat natto at a very young age, as it is very nutritive. Obviously, some Japanese do not like it, but others mix it with rice or raw eggs.
It smells awful but it doesn’t have much of a taste, though it’s good with rice.
Its actually great with kewpie mayo
The convenience store natto maki is damn tasty!
Very true, it's one of the most healthy foods on the planet, as it takes calcium from the arteries and puts it in the bones.
I hope that our boy Yabushige's luck changes soon. Aside from being obsessed about the nature of death. Yabushige's sensibility and rationales are most relatable for us in modern time.
I just love the actors expressions, he really nails it.
45:57 Thanks love you guys ☯️🙏 Awesome reaction and review of this Phenomenal show! I Loved the comedy gold of John Blackthorn 😂 And that Powerful Moment of Weapons exchange bought tears to my eyes brilliant acting💯 And Crazy ending right! Cannons💥😮 Looking forward to seeing what's next, Stay awesome Shane Joy Zach 🤘
He is a spy, it shows on episode 1 while Rodriguez was explaining the three hearts to John.
Yea but in beggining i was thinking he is toronaga spy but now im wondering if he is a spy for christians being christian himself and the chick consort who said omi should be lord is maybe toranaga spy just my thoughts though.
@@kylegareau9238ohhh i never thought of it that way. And the shot where we saw the christian sending a pigeon and toranaga recieving it could be a mis direction as to who is the spy. Clever way of staging the scene. Love it.🤯🤩
@@Lord_Fenrir another reason i feel its her the guy that sends the pigeon he only sees anjin before yabushige(prolly spelled wrong) sees the anjin and the chick would have heard omi and yabu talking after yabu spared the anjin and toranaga says to mariko that the barbarian would could be real useful to him meaning he would have known the porteguese wanted him dead and the courtisan prolly relayed it to him, idk maybe i thinking to hard into it but just seems more plausible now that i think back on it.
@@kylegareau9238 no it actualy makes sense. Its really clever since in the books and 1980s version kiku and blackthorne actually meet i believe and it affects his relationship/rivalry with omi. The writing and directing was really well done. Misdirection and telling whats happening without saying who.
この時代の言葉は、今では使っていないものがあります。不思議ですが、日本人の私でも子供の時に習っていない日本語の理解ができます。フィーリング？日本語は、奥が深い。
日本語を習って→日本の時代劇を見ると面白いですよ！言葉遊び
Yes!!!!!!! ☯️🎆 One for comment algorithm another after watching because Im caught up now also 😂 Love the opening Zach
Love it!!
Like the new crew, still miss you with Eric, Calvin and Rick💯
yeah I said it lol
I appreciate it man. Those were great times for sure. Funny enough Eric, zakk and I grew up together. Zakk actually introduced me to Eric!
No Aaron though… 🤭
After watching this episode I don't know who the best girl is anymore. I'm torn!
17:42 Not using "sama" for the gardener is a highborn-lowborn thing. Like you wouldn't call someone a Lord unless they were a Lord.
yes it's all about social class and status and seniority, it's polite to address someone who has a higher social class and status or is senior to you as "sama", but it's disrespectful for someone to address someone of a lower status or junior as "sama". The gardener is just one of Blackthorne's workers, his staff are all beneath him in status, being the Hatamoto and the lord of his own house he cannot call his staff "sama".
Actors of foreign people are good at classic japanese speaker, according to me from japanese.
The Real Story Behind Shogun TV Show: William Adams - English Samurai
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He really does look like T-Bag! :D
Love hearing Zack try to say my name 🤣
I don't write with the intention of discriminating against people in the West. In the era of this story, people in Europe and the United States were sometimes seen in the same way as animals in Japan. At that time, Fuji was ordered to become the wife of a Portuguese, so it must have been very prepared.
欧米の人々を差別する意図で書き込みをするわけではありませんが。この物語の時代は、欧米の人間は、日本では動物と同じような目で見られる事もありました。そんな時代にフジは、ポルトガル人の妻になる事を命じられたのですから、大変な覚悟が必要だったでしょう。
22:10 perfect counter lmao
Great episode
Yes, it has sex scene
@@gtavgamer670what a weird response. I take it you didn’t like it, and so you figure those who did like it had superficial reasons? Seems a little short sighted.. if I reading correctly, of course. Maybe you actually really just like sex scenes
@@OwnYourBaldSpotActually, that little bit short that makes me likes the shogun more , it mixes loves and fight
Bushido, the code of conduct of a samurai, applies to women and men. Seppaku can only be performed by the elite. There are many ceremonies that are supposed to be performed precisely. You see many, many examples of highly ritualized movement here. Also Buddhism is important. There is obvious tension between Christian lords and traditional Buddhists. Pure Land Buddhism is presented but not discussed.
this episode was so good. this show so far has absolutely blown me away. its gotten compared to game of thrones a lot but to me it reminds me more of black sails.
What a great reaction and program. This episode begs the question, "What was Isido's men doing there in the first place?" Who inform Isido of the training? This was not, "I'm delivering a message and happen to stumble upon a training exercise of cannons". Remember Toranaga is a "master tactician and strategist". I believe the message was an excuse for the real reason. I, also, believe that Mariko was "sharing the pillow" with Blackthorn. Thank you for a wonderful reaction.
I like the fact they went back to old school romance scenes like in Troy, not over the top or grotesque
He’s the first and only sailor not to immediately find a wiring lady the minute He hits a port. Fiction is fun. I’d bet the farm he was so noble on the other side of the world with people He doesn’t know
Apologies to you all, but the summaries are not your strong point. The reactions are good and fun to watch, but if you’re going to summarize, be more prepared. I know the names are hard but, the storyline are being confused to a point that I just forward to the reaction.
He said there was 2 Christian lords, Ishido, the leper and one other guy. They seem to forget Toranaga is the “one other guy” 😂
@@TerryBernardino 4:08 nope, there were 5 in total including Toranaga and four were present in the meeting: Ishido, lepresy guy and lord kiyama(both christians) and that other dude that didn't really say anything and was just looking around. Zakk(i think that's his name. the one on the right) was talking about the guy who didn't speak in the meeting
'tis war!
I do like you guys reaction, specially that dude in the end, he sounds badass
To compare a consort in another book, Lady Jessica is Ledo's consort in Game of Thrones. Her son is the heir unlike if she was a prostitute. That would be a "bastard."
Comparing Shogun wirh GOT is like calling Michael Jordan the new LeBron James of Basketball.
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Sama means sir.
San means Mr. or Mrs.
The guy you refer too as a spy is in fact the informant to Daimyo Toranaga,you see him sending a pigeon in Ep 2 or 3.
Regarding the sex scene - it's subtle - they agreed to send a courtesan (prostitute) to the Anjin - but what actually happened was She (I forget her name) went to Anjin instead (probably because she's attracted to him) but publicly the story is that a courtesan was sent to the Anjin - hence her need to keep up appearances; as it would be improper /conflict of interest if she was known to have slept with the Anjin.
They don't do a great job of explaining this - as we aren't shown the conversation about sending the courtesan and also it isn't clear that she was the one to visit the anjin (as her face was obscured).
Anyway, that's what I gathered from this scene.
You mean Mariko?
Also, as part of polite society, Fuji was the consort; so Mariko cant very well admit that She slept with John behind Fuji’s back. But from her knowing look, id assume Fuji was aware of the “yobai”. And for his part, John quickly took the hint, did not pester her further, and just mentioned his appreciation for the “gift”.
I guess in our modern world, we could just narrow it down to two words: plausible deniability.
@@P.Whitestrake Yes I believe so thanks 👍
If I remember correctly, I think in the book they actually do send a courtesan to him but it is dark and she's wearing Mariko's perfume. However, in the episode here, it is definitely Mariko, which makes sense.
納豆は原料となる大豆を藁に包み、藁に住んでいる酵母菌により発酵させた食べ物です。
まるで靴をずっと履いた後の足のような匂いがしますが、慣れればおいしい匂いに思えます。味は発酵による粘りに含まれるグルタミン酸のため旨みを強く感じます。日本では同じく大豆から作った醤油を掛けて食べるのが一般的です。熱いご飯もあると最高です。
またマヨネーズまたはオリーブオイル等を追加してみると調和してさらにおいしいと思えます。
人を選びますが試してみる価値はあると思います。
natto is simply fermented beans
lol, i was a Japanese restaurant once and I was curious about Natto, and the Japanese owner warned me it's strong (as in the smell and taste), like several times, so I didn't try it.
Did they fire Chain Shot at the end, two cannon ball's linked by a chain. These would not bounce on but they would bury in the mud. And looking at the muddy ground I am not even sure if a cannon ball would bounce. The only problem was the accuracy of the shot's, I am going to put that down to Blackthorne being a execellent teacher.
this show different
Kiku must be a spy. I wonder for who though.
Toranagas..
Toranagas spies Wow!!! Two of them in the same village not sure about that. I think the writers may surprise us.
@@upsox-tk7zwi dont think the chritlstian guy is toranaga spy tbh anymore thinking its her too
@@kylegareau9238I agree, maybe the show intentionally trying to misled us in thinking that the Old Christian man is Toronaga’s spy because of showing us a scene where the Old man sends a Pigeon with a message on it and Toranaga also receiving a Pigeon in Episode 1. I think the Old Man is actually sending the Pigeon to Kiyama the Christian Samurai Lord while the Pigeon Toranaga received was from Kiku.
@@maryanneayumi9594 ahh, I never thought about it that way. good observation on both of them being Christians
Cool stuff
it;s always the brat that screws up everything...
Actually they didnt understand it wasnt the cannon that was better given that the cannons that were used in the demonstrations were 50 years old in the story bought from the portuguese and I believe and these are not English cannons, The Englishman used his maths and english naval cannon techniques to make the cannons work better in use. (Also his cannons are probably still in Edo city along with his men)
somebody made a comment that maybe the Portuguese gave them a worse demonstration on purpose so as to not show their hand. In the event of any conflict the Japanese would not be well prepared for the Massacre the cannons could cause
British cannons were just superior. Faster to reload, can be fired from a greater distance and far more accurate than anything the Spanish could field. Partly why the Brits won, often, against the Spanish Armadas. Spanish tried to offset it with simply having three times the amount of cannons the English had - But to no avail. During that time period the English were unbeatable at Sea.
Fuji best girl
She gaslighted the hell out of him
侍は独自の水泳方法があって、鎧を着ながら泳ぐことができます。
どうやら東京の日本橋に小さい石牌があるらしく!この事実が書かれてるようです。この映像は424年前近くの出来事の話
It seems you're getting things wrong every 30 seconds in the intro! ahhaha write notes better, Tho this kind of stuff is probably not yuor cup of tea. Still love your reactions so far! More blessings to all of you!
字幕のセリフが変なのかな？よく笑って観ている人が多いよね。
アニメじゃねえよ。この時代の侍は鎧を着て泳ぐ事が出来たんだぜ。
日本人から見ると違和感がある。一度、山田洋次の映画を見てもらいたい。
Why did Mariko have s❤x with John?
She said it was a gift for his service the next morning. But didn't make it clear it was her that slept with him.
石堂(石田三成)は、頭脳明晰で素晴らしい武将です。
the fact that the show has fuji and blackthorn show more of a love connection then the real love interest in mariko is very concerning but then again the actress that plays fuji sama should of been mariko and the other actress that plays mariko should of never been hired in the first place. the only reason they got her is cause she's a looker. other than that shes playing the charecter of mariko all wrong. the book and the 80s tv series were so much better with the role of mariko then this show is doing right now.
I don’t get a love connection between Fuji Sama and John at all. Just politeness and trying to be respectful. Mariko and John having romantic feelings has been pretty clear to me
@@MarieS610 we all know that he is suppose to have this love connection with mariko. it's just doesn't feel like those two are even the bit most connected in that way. you feel that more so with fuji then mariko but who knows maybe over time the actress that plays mariko will figure out how the character from the book and tv show acted. plus given how much more screen time mariko has had with blackthorn vs fuji. still a great show just not sold one bit on the actress that plays mariko. she has the same acting style from Pachinko and brought it over to this show.
I feel the same way. I thought that they would break down Fuji's so called "eight fold fence" bit by bit over time and eventually She will come to care for him(maybe not necessarily romantically), not by duty alone but due to her own feelings towards him. I just don't buy Mariko's character the way it's being portrayed but it's not breaking my immersion of the show
P.S. I haven't read the book or seen the 80's show. this is just my observation
You really don't like the actress omg always saying the same shit lmao