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John Sweeney Destroys Brexiteer's Arguments
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That lad's high pitched hysterical tone is an earsore
Hi everyone. Josh sums up the lack of debate in this country. If I shout louder that will mean I’m right.
Like everyone on the right wing. If I shout and get angry then people will think I’m smart. His voice also makes me want to take shots of drain cleaner
@@nathanu6759 😂😂😂 glad I'm not alone, it's worse than cringe when he shouts
Yeah, a touch hysterical if you ask me.
@@nathanu6759 Oh yeah because people on the left wing don't shout, and call people names either. We clearly saw violence, anger, hate, and bile from Antifa, and BLM over the last 2 years. Or does their hate not count because it agree's with you?. You've literally just tarred a whole demographic with ''shouting, and getting angry''. It's a lazy attempt to diminish an argument when you tar everyone of a certain political persuasion with anything negative under the sun. You get anger, and hate on both sides. So cut out the us vs them mentality.
@@RazorMouth bruh young tories and young right wingers just make me cringe. They shout about policies that just harm them and their peers, like “yes we should treat young people like shit” so shouting like this fool does makes them seem even more stupid.
That Josh fellow is the reason scotch tape was invented.
😂
Josh is what is wrong with our country.
Stupid and loud
Edit: and a liar
@@MrDesmondPot NOT necessarily a liar BUT most certainly IGNORANT not sure if he even has the intelligent level to even realise him own problem and many like him are the reason for Brexit.
Spot on
Oh for sure, I have many acquaintances so similar to him.
Murdoch
Marina Purkiss did a great job dealing with a total numpty there. Definite "Teacher dealing with noisy disruptive pupil" vibes 🙂
She wasn't angry, she was disappointed 🤣
Is that boy going to let anyone else speak or just shreeeeek at everyone until they agree. Calm down girl.
He wants all the say plus I have heard that coming out of the single market was not part of the referendum
ooh god shes so naff
It’s an insult to women to call that bitch a girl. 😂
He doesn't Say anything he Just shouts
People who scream during a debate always do this because their arguments are weak.
That or talk at 100 mph
Empty vessels make the loudest noises comes to mind when seeing Josh try and form some sort of rational debate or argument
Tell that guy who shouts outside parliament that please. do he not have a job to go to?
How's the re-join campaign going?
Josh is a meaningless cliche machine
I'm afraid that's insulting to machines. Most of them function properly and reliably most of the time, and aren't morons. They aren't not-morons either which distinguishes them as machines - they aren't obvious morons like this loud-mouthed Josh imbecile .
P.S. - In defence of machines once again (comparatively speaking), this loud-mouthed Josh cretin clearly doesn't possess the intellectual capacity of a Hoover... A broken one I mean. He's stuck on blow with an inability to suck anything up - the primary intended function of a Hoover. In his case there's certainly no suck function operating when it comes to anything like learning, but an out-of-control capacity to blow-out all kinds of filthy garbage and detritus off a dirty floor, which a properly working Hoover would suck-up into it's dirt-bag ready to be emptied into a rubbish bin, where the contents of what passes for Josh's brain clearly belongs. He quite literally is sub-Hoover, or broken Hoover 😥
He's an AI with the emphasis on the A and deemphasis on the I.
Brexiteer Bingo. X
@@breadyegg no, h is definitely an Actual Idiot
you can always tell when somebody is losing the argument because they start to get louder and louder to try and drown the other person out but john sweeney seen it all and got the t shirt.
This is completely untrue. That's a false inference based on the premise he was talking loudly and losing. There is no law that says you can't be talking quietly and losing or loudly and winning. More often people who complain about people shouting in a argument or raising their voices are unwilling to confront the argument, cannot do so or are overly passive. Not everyone explains economics like they would to a seven year old. But for some reason that's a quality measure.
Tory minister said yesterday the Australian trade deal was a disaster for British farmers
Josh is the kind of person you dread being seated next to at a wedding/ formal dinner. I also dread seeing him on Byline again. He adds nothing positive/ constructive/ intelligent and he's *hugely* irritating.
That voice...oof
You know it's bad when even a boorish rent-a-gob like Christo is sitting back with a face that says "you're on your own here, mate"
How about that guy outside parliament. how irritating is he no matter what your view is
@@rns01111 Came here to say those exact words. Yeah but, no but, yeah but. .
Yeah, but maybe it's good as it shows up some of these Brexiteers for the bigoted fools they are.
I am always surprised that the contribution of Cambridge Analytica is rarely mentioned in the Brexit debate. Could it not be argued that their involvement tipped the balance into 52%?
It had nothing to do with it. Remain had an overwhelming support and consensus among the establishment the media and big business. The public voted Leave in spite all of that. Perhaps they simply just did t want to be ruled from Brussels? Perhaps they see themselves as British first and European second? There’s nothing wrong with that view.
Or perhaps they didn't understand what they were voting for?
@@mogznwaz I think you're probably right at the time. It is definitely not the case now and as the economy tanks further and further Brexit will be undone to as far an extent that the EU and the ERG will tolerate. What has become clear is that most of the Leave campaign's predictions on how good it was going to be were fabrications. We are substantially worse off and the Covid blag has run out of road now all the other countries that were held up as comparable are doing better. Even Germany which is in recession is doing better than us. The myth is over and gradually the public will want it forgotten and undone. Money talks and we've got even less than the fuck all everyone else is dealing with post Covid.
@@mogznwaz In what way did Brussels replace Downing Street and rule us?
That lad is hysterical because he is backed into a corner when he knows he is wrong.
No he is outnumbered (Brexiteers are always outnumbered on these panel shows) and Remainers simply don’t get it.
Lol. Right? He gets his knickers in a bunch. It's like mate, calm down. Learn to debate properly. If you can't play with the big boys then you probably shouldn't be here. His IQ doesn't seem too great.
@@mogznwaz
He is just yelling jebberish
Blokes a bullshitter
Brexit never had to be defined which was the most criminal aspect of it all. That meant it could be WHATEVER you wished for.
For the fishermen it meant more fish and more profits. For farmers it meant that you somehow could export more.
For bankers it meant less regulations and still have access to the single market.
For some it meant that foreigners buggered off. It could even mean contradictory things like higher standards and lower standards etc
In essence Brexit meant whatever you liked which in the end meant you could NEVER have a plan that all brexit supporters could unite behind.
And that is the reason for the ****show....
Absolutely. It was treated as a panacea. The magical way to solve all problems, contridictions be damned.
Exactly
@@hannofranz7973WHAT NATIONALITY ARE YOU?
Precisely. Spot on.
@@johnpugh3348 why do you care?
I love how the brexitards are getting battered with truth and facts. Every. Single. Time. Bravo
But he'll still push out the same nonsense in future.
They refuse to deal in facts.
Ahahaha brexitards or brextards?
Brexit is inherently a fascist project because it requires shaping an alternative reality.
Nationalist politicians don't like anti-corruption and tax evasion measures.
It's no accident that it's been hijacked by right wing extremists and libertarian capitalists advocating plutocracy and stripping of civil and labour rights.
@@nathanu6759 I have used Brextards for 5 years now, they style themselves as Brexiteers but are the conned who trot falsehood after falsehood followed by conspiracy theories to argue for Leave.
The money behind Brexit, which includes the Kremlin don't share the illusions, they seek personal profit and advantage from isolating the UK from EU, EU laws and regulations and the ECHR set up by Anglo-American initiative to combat fascism.
@@RobBCactive exactly that dude. Many of the Tories as well made millions if not billions of brexit by betting against the UK economy.
It’s just sabotaging a whole country so they can have a nicer car.
That’s why they didn’t properly sanction Russia or stop any Russian oligarchs laundering money here
Take a shot every time Josh spouts a Brexit cliche.
That's a very dangerous game to play, every time he opens his mouth another cliché pops out.
He doesn’t spout them. He shrieks!
Sovereignty!… wahey… [glug glug]
Vaccine rollout…. [hic]… [glug glug]
Democracy… … … heehee… [hic…. Hic…] .. [glug.. hic.. glug] shit it spilled. Hic.
Breshit.. glug
Love to play but I've got to go out in 1/2 an hour or so and I'd be totally wrecked.
I'll be wrecked
"It's what we voted for and we should honour it"
We have. We've enacted brexit Josh. It's a disaster.
Buy a dictionary and look up the word “‘disaster”
And when you’ve taken your head out of your arse, read it. .
@@seanclark2085
Recession ✅️
Trade barriers ✅️
Breaking up the union ✅️
Unable to control our borders ✅️
Awful trade deals ✅️
An event or fact that as unfortunate consequences.
Maybe you're right, disaster isn't the right word
Megacluster fk that treasonous gammon and idiots wanted that's fked us all over.
There, that's better.
@Paul Hitchens who ever is "cancelling you" is completely wrong, everyone gets a voice.
Brexit is not a disaster, it is just being portrayed as such by sore loser remainiacs. It will be the making of this nation and when the EU falls, all you pissants will pretend you were never really in favour of it.
I don't know much more about life than the average person but on my travels over the years I have seen country's that were very poor, every time I headed back to the UK I always thought how lucky I was to live and work in the UK and Europe but with one stupid Brexit referendum vote the Tory government managed to split UK public virtually write down the middle kick us out of the biggest market place in the world the pounds value was dropping like a stone,I can't see any good points about leaving the EU, and all the time I was told you lost the vote so be quiet and take it on the chin, now I'm waiting for the Tory government to make things better and all I hear from some people is at least we have sovereignty was it really worth it, where is David Cameron now no where to be seen
People didn't vote for this mess. They voted to leave the EU yet how many expected to leave federalism and maintain a close trading relationship? After all, many Brexiters said it would be madness to leave the single market. Now project fear has become project reality and look at this bloody mess.
No people voted Leave for the most selfish reasons. It was clearly a bad idea. But no the majority of the British public is incredibly selfish and bigoted.
I have loads of people I hold dear who voted for Brexit and they did so because they are thick. All their arguments where unrelated parroting just like mr high voice. The common factor in all but one of the leavers I know is that they are all thick. The one guy I know who voted leave and is not a moron was not so swayed by lies he just is a bit of a sheep as a person and slightly racist. Strange because he thinks he is a Christian.
I'm sorry but they DID vote for this mess, because they consistently voted for lying conmen who had already been proved to be lying conmen. If they believed that leaving the EU was going to improve their lives when it very obviously wasn't going to, then they were stupid. It's their fault.
@@TheTwosliceToaster then we disagree about the responsibility, yet agree about the outcome. Voters were offered a binary choice in a multi-dimensional matter. The outcome of Stay was clear; the rest uncertain.
We haven't left the EU, there is still the strings that are causing us problems.
It’s nice to see Brexit been dismantled in front of Brexit supporters
I thought Brexiteers were uneducated working-class racists??...These people all look like they can affrord private healthcare.
Shame they’ll both just spout the same lies next time.
We are out . Ffs move on.
But but … this was not the brexit I voted for. 😅
@@remcovanek2 theres only one Brexit.
Josh is why I now want Scottish Independence. The English press and people like Josh. I see no escape from them while still in the UK.
Well said sir... Scotland has our respect ❤
Regards from the EU 🇪🇺
Enoch Powell said there should be a referendum every 10 years which would solve the problem for you.
Enoch Powell said there should be a referendum every 10 years, Yet another problem sorted by Enoch
In Switzerland, the land of referendums, a court can cancel the results of a referendum if the campaign was conducted dishonestly. A UK court ruled the referendum was valid because it wasn't binding, yet it was treated as binding. You were duped.
Good point
Yeah! I know!
The racist half of the country were duped. The not racist half are still angry about it 6 years later
The issue in the UK was, that it was an advisory referendum, so it was not binding. So the courts could not do anything about it. They would have stopped it, if it would have been a binding referendum...
@@tf8327 so essentially “the game was rigged from the start”?
Both John Sweeney 'and' Peter York were excellent, the screaming Tory had a chance to learn something but couldn't shut his mouth for long enough, his loss.
John Sweeney cannot be trusted so don't listen to him.
@@jamescalaz5435 you should add why he can't be trusted.
Josh Rom spanked live on air!🤣 You could see his heart sink as his arguments were ridiclued. Even Cristo looked embarrased for him
I listened to 30 seconds of Tory boy and could take no more....
He’s very annoying
@@Kodakcompactdisc Tory boy has the voice of a girl and the debating skills of a ten year old, no wonder the U.K. is up sh** creek. And Hunt is as much in denial as Tory boy.
2:00 Shrill Brexit Guy: "But as it happens there is still a problem with immigration" - Yes, but from Africa and Asia, you wombat. Leaving the EU was never going to address that issue.
10,000 Albanians crossed the channel just in the last few months. Most of migration originates outside of the EU so how has Brexit improved immigration policy?
@@sprogg2001 Exactly.
@@sprogg2001 It hasn't when we are no longer in the Dublin agreement. Millions of pounds more to France this morning too. While we get poorer and they hike the tax.
@@audreymcgready4329 this is pure own goal ism.
@@sprogg2001 bs. It is a mix of nationalities stop lying. Also 80% of those processed are given asylum.
Project Fear has turned into Project "I Bloody Told You So"
We hold all the cards 😂
I couldn't get to the end of this. If I wanted seven minutes of a shouting match I'd have gone down to my nearest pub and yelled "Brexit"
Arguing that there is some obligation to "respect" the referendum poll is like arguing that Rishi Sunak needs a "mandate" from a General Election before he can be prime minister. It's quite an attractive moral argument but bears no relation whatever to our Constitution. The Brexit referendum was non-binding and is therefore nothing more than a glorified opinion poll. When the UK has had binding referenda, a threshold has usually been set that has to be met before any action ensues. If there were an "obligation" to respect the non-binding 2016 poll, there would be an equal obligation to respect the polls that say 57% of the population want to rejoin the EU.
Do not forget the electoral commission findings, that the referendum was not a free and fair vote due to several serious breaches of electoral law by various leave campaigns. As it was only advisory voiding the result was not an available option.
Do not let them forget , this was not just minor breaches, but serious and several.
About time someone told the clear, unvarnished truth, the country has had enough.
Non-binding, but BOTH sides made it clear the result would be respected and implemented whatever the outcome. That's why both sides screamed that people had to be sure about what they wanted and that if a vote to leave happened, it WOULD be implemented. Tbh, the 'non-binding' argument is bollocks. Some are just pissed it didn't go their way.
@@bobpage6597 I think most people are pissed off it 'didn't go their way' - both those who voted remain to begin with, and the ever-increasing numbers of leave voters who are embarrassed/horrified that they're objectively worse off now than they were.
Everything you just wrote is bollox.
We know the 'British people voted for Brexit'... That doesn't stop the consequences being discussed and faced up to
I bloody didn’t!
@@sid35gb Me neither. It’s an embarrassing shit show !!
Debate is a strange word for people who will talk instead of listening.
Yes. It’s very generous to call this a debate. It’s a slanging match.
If you shout it doesn't mean that you're right.
In general when people have weak arguments they try to convince other people by raising there voice.
Also a common response among some when faced with others too retarded to understand the strength of the arguments they're making, not the best approach of course, as people who are too retarded to understand the argument aren't particularly known for responding any better to having it shouted at them than they do to being told in a normal voice of course, but not everyone with a good argument faced with the retarded is bright enough to realise that, just because someone may be right about one thing doesn't mean they're always particularly clever about everything else as well after all 🤗
Oh, and in case you haven't figured it out.
I'm saying your argument is balls 😁
But, setting aside the insults for a moment and being (semi) serious .. when all your discussion buddy does himself is stonewall or shout at you (as the rejoiners have since before they were remainers) it's not unusual to find yourself doing it back, and this indicates nothing about the value of the arguments on either side of the debate, rather, it only tends to show a complete lack of any common ground to be established .. 🤔 maybe we should just accept that civil war is the only way forward and get on with it 🤗 .. all joking aside we do seem to have a serious problem in the offing when so little common ground can be found 😕
Josh reminds me that a lot of Brits are going to do stupid things when Brexit is revoked.
how to "revoke" brexit?
@@MrNukedawhales Move to Scotland.
Brexit cannot be revoked. You people are not living in reality.
Russia is nearly complete in its destruction of the EU, its only a matter of time now, there is simply no need for the UK to go down with it.
Brexit wont be revoked,the democratic vote settled it.These lot on this comment section go on about lies from Brexiteers,there were lies from both sides remainers aswell.
The idiot keeps pushing the vaccine lie….
How are they STILL bringing up vaccines as a sign of Brexit success?
It's all they've got, and ironically not only was it not a brexit benefit, but a benefit of being part of the European medicine agency. Without ema we would have had no access to the rolling review data, the data which was used to approve the vaccine.
It's all they have
I voted leave and now regret it deeply. Literally everyone I know who voted leave now regrets it and say if they could vote again they would vote remain.
@David Green here you go
@@davidcjupp Yeah, where is he ? I’m surprised he hasn’t thrown more shit gibbon nonsense around this thread by now.
I hope that guy also respects and defends next Scotland's vote about independence with the same enthusiasm? And other thing, in my country Spain minimum wage and pensions have been risen this year despite covid, oil prices and freedom of movement. In fact we have open our country even more to hispanic americans because we need labour too. Demographics say so in the whole Europe as we have a very low birth rate. Inevitably the UK will have to allow inmigration to avoid a shrinking economy, only that those inmigrants will be permanent and from former colonies, not europeans who could easily return home.
So wages are rising in Spain and in France they haven't been burning tyres so I take it things are going Ok there. It seems only the Uk is an issue.Could that be the political choices we have made that is the real issue.
I do love the power in negotiations migrant workers have over employers in the UK or we could admit that again it's employers taking advantage of others and Tory government employment laws that allow this exploitation.
Josh is really uncomfortable with all of this. Please invite him to do this again regularly.
true story ....if 100% of northern Ireland voted to remain it would have made absolutely no difference to the final result.... absolute joke 🇮🇪
Or Scotland. The N Irish, Scots and Welsh have to do whatever England demands. In time, Ireland will be reunified, Scotland will be independent and this separation will have been driven faster by brexit. Johnson will be remembered by history as the PM that disintegrated the union, although you could argue that Cameron, May, Johnson, Truss and Sunak are all equally responsible for the mess.
@@jeanjacques9980 Scotland is going nowhere. The SNP need to focus on the day job, instead of banging on about a vote that us Scots voted for already. Also breaking away won't bring Scotland back into the EU no matter what the SNP claim. The EU don't want Scotland, or the UK back for that matter.
What a stupid argument. They are part of the UK.
You wouldn't say the whole of York could vote and it wouldn't matter. Nor would you say the whole of Texas could vote one way and it wouldn't matter. Like it or not, you vote as part of a country ie the UK. If you don't get your own way then you can't just subdivide.
But they didn’t , if 100% of the country had voted leave, it wouldn’t have mattered to you fanatics either.
@@crs2385 You’re living in Trumpland.
That guy in the grey is hysterical. Absolute tool
“It was a legal referendum” except referendums aren’t legally binding and are advisory only in this country. Also the high court ruled that the leave campaign was run and funded illegally, but because referendums are advisory only and the Government could ignore the result, it was allowed to stand.
The electoral commission explicitly stated they could not void the result of an advisory referendum, just before they imposed maximum fines. A strong indication that had that remedy been available, that they would, at the very least, given such a sanction serious consideration.
Do not let them forget a basic foundation of democracy is that votes are free and fair.
You lost. Get over it.
@@johnpugh3348 You won, now fix it.
@@johnpugh3348 you shat the bed now sleep in it.
@@sid35gb YOU remainers are all class,!!!
Can someone put Josh in the ejector seat and press the big red button next to him!!
When you have a debate with somebody, it’s always the least educated and the ones unable to display critical thinking whom shout the loudest.
Wow. I'm guessing you're always the one that gets punched in the face? The fact you used whom in that sentence confirms this.
When pragmatism confronts ideology and gives it a bloody nose.
When truth and facts confronts ideology and false narrative
That bloke is hysterical
Pre-Brexit refugees landing on the beaches, 299, but zero cost. Post-Brexit (taking back control) refugees landing on the beaches, 38,000+ and £110M to France for the privilege. Just one of the many, many benefits of being outside the EU.
And tax rises for all to pay for it as they make us poorer. Where is dido hiding with the billions?
I love the distinction between "Red Wall voters" and "homegrown Tory voters". I'm reminded of the student at my son's university who asked a group of Geordies why they were supporting England and not Scotland, "which is nearer to where they live"!
Are those tory voters homegrown like mushrooms, I.e. kept in the dark and brought up on a diet of horse manure? It sure feels like that...
“If I were to give you some media advice, I’d suggest you drink some scotch & lower your voice before you use the V word”
Hahaha unbelievably brilliant shade 😂👍
THOSE 2 BREXITERS SHOWED THEMSELVES UP AS UNEDUCATED
That's what one expects when you are hired and work for Murdochs right wing propaganda media. These two look a like a cheaper version of Fox "News".
you sound very arrogant and pompous
As are all brexitards 😂😂
Jesus, that guy squeaking . My ears hurt.
5.5 million British Migrants living outside the UK and the UK does not want migrants ? 😂😂
Love how he says it was a legal vote when it was actually a non binding referendum. Meaning Parliament had the last say on weather to implement it.
In fact if it was legally binding then when one of the leave compagins got found out for multiple violations the courts would of had the right to throw out the results of the vote.
The people who voted to leave the EU were the same people shouting the N word at me and my family in the street randomly.
that is crazy....you cant say that
@@WELLBRAN That is truly terrible, I would never use that word but I’m curious why some black people use it amongst themselves.
Not all Leave voters are racist, but all racists voted Leave.
You should differentiate.
@@dondoodat I have my doubts!
@@dondoodat Anyone with a brain knows that I know this.
Seems Brexit’s best argument for it is now a hysterical, high pitched series of rants parroting the same lies as were trotted out before and repeating the same nonsense in the hope it’ll stick. News for the hysterical one: it won’t and is increasingly better Teflon coated.
The referendum question was: Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union? The responses were:
1) Remain a member of the European Union
2) Leave the European Union
We left the EU. We have therefore honoured the referendum result.
As a sovereign nation we can decide if we want to try to rejoin. The referendum did not say anything about what happened after brexit.
Sick to DEATH of the whole "The British people voted to Leave the EU" argument! A proportion of the British people narrowly won a referendum to leave the EU in 2016. The UK then left the EU in January 2020 and then left the EU single market as well in January 2021 despite that not being on the referendum paper and Leave actively campaigning on a Norway model staying in the single market platform! When the UK left the EU in January 2021 the democratic mandate was delivered, no future Government is bound by the decisions made by previous Governments and referendums. Those who support British membership of the EU are democratically allowed to make the case for rejoining the EU or its structures like the Single Market!
Host is super good! Bravo!
The Office of Budget Responsibility said that Brexit will cost the UK economy 4% of future growth and the shortage of skilled workers will hurt the economy.
The OECD said that UK growth will be the lowest of the G-7 countries in 2023 except for Russia who has sanctions against it.
The Bank of England said that the UK is in a recession that will last for two years and the unemployment rate will nearly double.
Jeremy Hunt the Westminster Tory chancellor announced £50 billion of public spending cuts and higher Taxes. This is the same Jeremy Hunt who was the secretary state for Health between 2012-2018 and implemented efficiency savings (cuts) of the NHS and social care with the Cameron,Osborne Tory austerity from 2010.
In the UK high streets banks close to be replaced by food banks whose numbers have increased massively to cater for the increasing numbers of poor people in the UK who are destitute, frightened of heating or eating.
Westminster Three Tory prime minister in three years and Four Tory chancellors in two months.
The politicians at Westminster are incompetent.
When Josh's voice breaks he might be less annoying, but screeching like a fishwife at kicking out time, lord preserve us.
When people shout and get very agitated during a discussion I tend to think that they are loosing the arguement
What angers me the most every time this argument comes up is the line “The British people voted for this”. No, in actual fact 37.44% of the British & NI people voted to leave and they call that democracy! If Proportional Representation was at the heart of the British & NI politics we would be a far happier place. Not to mention, in the EU.
Nigel Farage agree with you. vote remain
They also now hoard those people's votes like greedy dragons on a pile of opinions once given which will never be given back. If you voted leave, they now own your opinion even 6 years later.
You lost, Get over it or go and live in your beloved E,U, , TRY GREECE, THATS BEEN A SUCCESS Story for you.
The referendum was so poorly designed they didn't even both to specify it required a majority of the "popular vote" rather than just who could be bothered to show up on the day. A referendum provably distorted by lies and misinformation should also be subject to an automatic enquiry. A referendum with no meaningful binary option (the real outcome wasn't defined) should be illegal: it gives license to politicians to interpret the outcome.
The arguments FOR brexit have all been proven - surprise, surprise - to be wrong.
Project fear was words designed to create emotion, not an argument. There was no proof, only a desire to create doubt.
But the tories can’t say this.
And now neither can Labour.
We need a new referendum.
I always have to smile when people who are losing the argument think that shouting louder and more often can succeed!!
If I make myself annoying I'll win every argument.
Who is that screechy oik who keeps clutching at loud soundbites!
Once a vote has been taken and executed, then in democracy your right back to square one. Nothing in democracy is set in stone , and never take it for granted that it is .
Good point
There's no denying that 52% of those who voted in the referendum, voted to leave the E.U. That's about 37% of the electorate and 26% of the country. It was not the vote of the British people, just the vote of the majority who got off their backsides and voted. Did they know what they voted for? Some did, some didn't, it's why we hear people saying "it's not the Brexit I voted for". Of course it's not, the terms and conditions, the nitty gritty, weren't known until after BoJo signed the deal just to say he'd got Brexit done. Even David Davis had said "referendums should be held when people know what they were getting" (Nov 2002, Hansard). The electoral commission had also stated the same thing in the lead up to the referendum, that for a democratic referendum it is important that those voting had to know what they were voting for. So, technically it wasn't even a democratic referendum and then add to that the two leave campaigns who were able to spend more than they should have.
Well... in every vote you only get the number of people who got off their backsides. Are they undemocratic? You ask: did they know what they voted for? To which I would ask: does it matter as a measure of validity? Information was available for everyone, open for the whole world to see. No one forced them to believe Daily Mail and not check other, more respectable sources. Furthermore, all campaigns tell some lies or hide some facts, does that make them undemocratic? Again... knowing what they vote for is the task of the voters. Citizens have a duty to stay informed on public affairs. They could have Googled and read how the EU works and what it does... but no, they chose to listen to Farage. If they didn't do their homework, then why were they in the voting booth? I think it was a democratic vote. Did voters get tricked? Yes, but that doesn't make the vote invalid. Unless there was fraud like stuffed ballot boxes or people being bribed or threatened to vote for Brexit, the vote was legitimate.
'Do they know what they voted for' Yes, this one did, and I'd do it again.
@@pelinoregeryon6593 Shame about the collateral damage. There again, some don't care about the state of the economy. You only have to be able to read to see what's going on.
@@graj0 and then lie about it with bold yet baseless statements unsupported by any facts, evidence or reasoning .. as you have just there right? 😉 .. that is the unspoken bit you left out of your last one isn't 😁 I mean, I don't actually see any supporting background or reasoning from you here after all, you just skip straight to a conclusion of 'bad' with no offering of supporting evidence or claimed observed or resulting effect that might be used as an argument for why it was bad 🤗 .. 🤔 so is this that repeat a lie often enough thing I've heard about that your doing? 😏
You say there is collateral damage .. yet don't specify 'what' you believe that collateral damage is .. no doubt so it can't be questioned or challenged 😏
Follow up with ad hominem accusation that I'm a bad person for not caring about something that's wrong with the economy .. without stating 'what' is wrong with it and what the alleged cause was .. no doubt again so that the foundation of the statement can't be questioned or challenged 🙄
And finish with a vague suggestion that anyone who disagrees with you is illiterate or not very bright .. which is a second ad hominem and a rather sad attempt to dissuade further challenge or questioning of your statement of course 😉
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So, perhaps you'd actually like to support your implied proposition of 'brexit bad!' with some actual verified facts and a chain of reasoning for me 🤨
If you can and aren't just mindlessly parroting what your party, 'tribe' or the media have told you to of course 🤗
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Just throwing back a little return ad hominem and shade of my own there 😁 have fun with it 😉👍
Collateral damage? I'd say the tens of thousands of medical staff leaving the NHS was pretty serious. Add to that the inability to now attract staff from Europe. SMEs who can't export because of the red tape, HMRC reckon about 1/3 of firms no longer export. Factories relocating to Europe some because the government recommended the move. Closure of factories like Five Star in Grimsby only last week.
Josh Romm is like a little child amongst megaliths like John Sweeney
So happy the English are out. Let's make sure we in the EU don't make the mistake of allowing them back in again.
From a staunch brexit supporter, I thank you for your support sir 👍😁
Tory Boy is just so thick. Of only he knew. The shame is that one day he may wake from his stupor. It will be so catastrophically traumatising he may well have a breakdown.
The referrendum was ADVISORY only.
Not everybody who voted Brexit were racist, but every racist voted for Brexit.
Asylum seeking is NOT illegal immigration.
There was a referendum and a democratic vote to leave the EU. Remainers need to move on. If you vote for a party and they lose the general election and another party gets in, then you just have to accept it. You may disagree with that governments policies, but you have to accept it and just get on with it, it is called democracy!
The more high pitched you get the closer to Karen you become.
Fresh faced pundit, "I'm voting for continuing punching ourselves in the face is fine, because racism."
Vote Leave promise - "There is a free trade zone from Iceland to Turkey and the Russian border and we will be part of it". First bullet point on a leaflet delivered to every household. We should be challenging them more on why they failed to deliver this.
So if it was a failure WHY DID TORIES GOT AN 80 SEAT MAJORITY IN LAST ELECTION.GET REAL YOU LOST!!@@
@@colinwishbone4437 2019 election was before the TCA was negotiated. Tories won their 80 seat majority with just 43% of the vote (most voters opted for parties who either wanted to scrap Brexit or have 2nd ref). Those who did vote Tory probably genuinely believed Johnson would deliver the great trade deal he promised which would enable us all to move on.
He failed. Instead we got the Trade and Continuity Agreement which was nowhere near what Vote Leave promised in 2016.
They promised - "a free trade zone from Iceland to Turkey and the Russian border".
They delivered - A free trade zone smaller than the UK with a border down the Irish Sea.
Epic fail.
why would you give murdocks parrot airtime like this these people have ruined the uk we need to do something about them not talk to them
Who the hell is that high pitched eejit, not a clue..he can't see the truth, it's staring him in the face and he won't see it 😄
The more and louder I shout the more I am right..... Can't hold a civilised and logical conversation filled with facts as they know that they are on the loosing end of the arguments.
The vaccine argument.... oookey
My memory must be defective. It was an advisory vote on Brexit right? And yet.....
God who is that shouty man. He’s almost hysterical!
Brexit WAS a racist vote, no doubt about it. Whenever you properly drill a Brexiteer, they never have a competent answer to give as to why they voted leave. But that’s not because they don’t have an answer, it’s because they can’t say it aloud - they dislike foreigners, and that’s it. Racism pure and simple. Tragic.
Undeniably, as I have already mentioned, that's what got Brexit over the line, any honest, educated person will acknowledge this.
My parents' generation fought WW2 to defend our country from foreign invaders to protect our culture, way of life, freedoms and democracy for future generations. I voted Brexit for the same reasons. There are vast swathes of Britain where the indigenous British people feel like strangers in their own country, or they're victimised, harassed and have to move (white flight). Those vast swathes are expanding at an ever increasing rate and they're now so big they're joining up. Our living standards are plummeting, our National Health Service is overwhelmed as are our social services and infrastructures. The National Debt is rapidly approaching three trillion pounds with absolutely no sign of slowing down. Being a patriot and voting Brexit for the love of your country and people doesn't mean you're a racist.
@@alangood8190 your ancestors raped pillaged and murdered their way around the world. It's great to see the natives growing up and paying you a visit now. It's your ancestors fault.
@@alangood8190 for someone claiming not to be a racist you sure just said a bunch of racist things
@@ou7shined972 No, I just said a bunch of factual and irrefutable things, you interpreted it as being racist. And that's the problem.
Josh's hysterical bleating XD
We haven’t got Brexit, we’ve got BRINO. Brexit was clearly defined before the vote.
For the sake of liars and their hoodwinked ignorant enablers, all must suffer the consequences however dire!
Josh is a screaming gammon.
Long Live Brexit - All the Best from the EU.
Not helpful….
@@phoneme52xxx6 So it was ok for you lot to demonize us with you vile comments for years during and after you Brexit madness.
@@MrStoneyburke Ok, let’s get this straight. The vast majority of British people did not vote for Brexit. The majority was of those who actually voted. The overwhelming majority of people did not and do not demonise the EU. That is the preserve of the right wing Brexit press. Please do not generalise all Brits as Brexit hating EUphobes. (Look it up). There is now a clear majority in favour of some form of constructive rapprochement (look that one up as well) with the EU. Yes, your comment is not helpful.
@@phoneme52xxx6 very little of what you've said there is true, get out of your bubble occasionally.
@@pelinoregeryon6593 Which bit of what I’ve written is not true?
Every time John Sweeny opens his mouth I love the bloke even more.
What Mr Josh Renta-Gob needs to have stamped on what passes for his mind are the following FACTS :
1) The population of the UK is around 67 m persons
2) On 23rd June 2016, 46.5 m persons were registered to vote in the Referendum on whether or not to leave the EU
3) Of those 46.5 m, 17.4 m voted to leave the EU, leaving 29.1 m who did NOT vote to leave the EU
4) This means that only 37% of those REGISTERED TO VOTE on June 23rd 2016 voted to leave the EU - an affront to Democracy if ever there was !!!
5) Because, additionally, the above figures do NOT include around 1 m Brits who had been living and working in the EU for more than 15 years and were not allowed to vote and thus disenfranchised
6) Neither do they include around 2m 16-17 year-olds who were also disenfranchised
7) To claim, therefore; that 52% of the "British People" voted to leave the EU is a DAMNED LIE to be added to all the other damned lies puked out by the Leavers
8) Update : The Paris Bourse has just been declared the world's BIGGEST Financial Centre, overtaking London, which will presumably have to rely more and more as a Laundromat for washing the filthy lucre excremented by Russian Oligarcks (or at least those who haven't been bumped off by Putin !!) and various other international spivs, wide boys and mafiosi drug cartels...
9) There once was a time, over 12 years ago, when the UK was considered to be a serious country and not a kind of Banana Monarchy run by incompetent nincompoops and their Billionaire paymasters, an international laughing stock and a joke that gets more and more stale with each passing day...
"Drink more scotch and get your voice a bit lower" 😂 I love you John Sweeney you savage bastard!
" I think"... That's Josh's first problem.
Look, it was a popular majority to join the EU, then there was an unpopular majority to leave the EU. There easily can be another popular majority to rejoin the EU. Brexit is complete and now it is time to undo it. Immigration and refugees are not a significant issue in the sense of the costs to the community, these people are whinging about peanuts whilst Brexit costs them billions. The concept of a responsible representative democracy lies in the fact that you don't ask the kindergarten children what they want for lunch. The idea is that you elect a government who can make the complex decisions for you. Kind of like the father in the home. When the children run the home you have chaos, which is what Brexit has caused. All this arose because a weak PM decided to abrogate his job in the pathetic hope that he could win another term or two.
Look, you were wrong about the EU, it is a shitshow, the Fourth Reich Hitler dreamed of, and you rightfully lost the opportunity to sell your country out to a fascist superstate. Get over it.
How is my guy said it was a fair referendum why don't we give Scotland the right to be independent? 👀👀🤦🏽♂️😂🙄
He writes for the sun, he’s got to tow the line
*Toe
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Anyone else shout BINGO when Josh mentioned the Vaccine rollout? The other guy looked embarrassed to be sat next to him
'Can I mention the V-word?' No, you twat!
I hear remain voting people all the time saying we need to rejoin, and as much as I agree with them that the UK should most definitely rejoin the EU, it was utter madness to leave in the first place, anyway, sadly the huge problem they seem to be missing is that the other 27 members states need to all agree to allow that to happen, and the fact that the UK's government has treated these very member states with complete contempt over the past 6 years will go against them in the future, also if the UK somehow managed to convince the other 27 members that they are willing to behave like adults and get full membership again, then I will guarantee that the UK will never ever get the same deal it had last time it was a member.
In my opinion, the UK should focus on rejoining the single market as soon as possible before the economy declines any further.
I can see no way in the next 20+ years the rest of the EU will allow the toxic shitehole that is england to rejoin.
It was a flawed vote; leave campaigned on lies, there wasn’t enough specificity in the ballot question, there wasn’t enough detail in the process and end result they were voting on. But it doesn’t matter. The UK has exited, in the worst possible way, negative consequences are mounting, yet there is little support for any kind of change.
The child has destroyed the chat.
From the outside looking in Brexit baffles me. Its a bit like the boy taking his football back because he's not winning the game and then realising somebody else has a football too so they continue without him and move on. I could see the frustration of the moderator here and unfortunately people listen to the likes of this guys rhetoric because you can't hear the other people's opinion. Probably learnt how to do this on the debate team. I think it's unfortunate as it has impacted the lives of ordinary UK citizens who will ultimately pay the price.
Josh is the reason so many people believe this rhetoric, they take an alarmist emotional response instead of calmly reflecting on logic and reason.
Attempting to patronise never works in an argument, even with valid points.