Hate or Hype // SRAM Maven
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
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We have Kilos, Pounds, Stones and now Dales to measure weight. Love the video.
Dale scale
Just remember to never mix your Dales with your Daves!
@@danielgrafik even worse, stones with dales.
Was interesting hearing a different take than Dale’s perspective. I tried the TRP’s and decided to go back to Saints. Your review made me consider picking up a set to see how these stack up.
I went from stock cheap shimanos to the maven ultimate, I'm a heavy guy with a heavy bike and these things are crazy good. Being able to adjust the reach really helps with hand fatigue, so that is an added bonus. The only thing I had to do was learn to back off on the front brake because holy moly it's powerful.
I watched Dales video again after riding my mavens, Im getting considerably less hand fatigue now - watching his technique with how he pulls the levers has me convinced he wont like anything other than shimano
@4:20 And another of our new features. You should ride with the builders one day.
I’d love to!
Nice video thanks! My set of Maven is installed on my big bike, but riding season has not stated here yet. Can't wait to try them out.
Im 250 pounds on an e-bike and these are almost too powerful. It takes some getting used to for sure. I run the 220/200 with sintered pads, considering changing to resin on the front... it's just brutal man. They need to be bed in properly though...
Looks like Lewis is gonna release a 6 piston brake soon
Awesome, love those trails
I was thinking maybe u would like the feel of the new continental gravity tires. Very strong casing and they do well when riding hard. Could be worth a test.
I've ran XTR's and RSC's, but got arm pump from both of them after a while. I tried different pads on them but nothing ever really wow'ed me. Then I threw on some Magura MT7 calipers (kept the XTR levers) and that's the setup I run on all of my bikes now. So much power, such awesome brakes. It's nice to finally not have to "think" about them anymore, they are always super reliable and consistent.
Yes, shigura is quite popular and I had them on too, best brakes ever, if Magura just held a little more space to the discs so they don't grind or cling so much, that'd be awesome
I was struggling with rsc until I moved contact point closer to the handle bars.
@@eaze7324 MT5 should have more clearence, but it is possible to align them. I have MT7´s on my 2nd bike, it ´s a little pain in the ass to do that, but no rubbing/noise.
They are on my bike but I haven't got to try them yet (not for a few weeks still too) just around on the street. In recovery mode atm. They feel really powerful though, I'm coming from Code RSC's though.
Curious. I think when I watched your video building the new Chilcotin with Noel, I am pretty sure you installed the Transmission as your drivetrain. Of the last few videos you seemed to be running XT. Any reason for switching back to the good old mechanical shifting? Anyway nice video and ride as always.
I think he said he'd make a video on that at some point. In some older videos he mentions just not liking it
You are correct. I’ll talk about it very soon in my bike check - filming it this week!
Very interesting to hear the different reviews from you and Dalestone. Have you tried the Hayes Dominion yet? Would you put those in the category of underpowered for larger riders?
I’ve only tried them in parking lots. They feel quite good so I’m going to put them on the next bike, which should be ready in June 👀
After swapping from Code RSC to Hayes Dominions, I have to say I'm now converted to Hayes (5' 11" - 170bls)...One caveat is I'm currently running HS2 rotors, and the rear squeaks (not a bedding issue as I've tried the tried and true sanding re-bedding method as well). Have also tried organic pads as well and the rear sounds no different. Not the typical "honk" I associate with wet rotors etc. but more of a high pitched squeek. Trying them with Hayes rotors soon though to see if that solves the problem (fronts have been silent).
in my case squeaking came from hayes oem brake pads, switched to galfer and ther is no more noise
have you ever tried the hope tech 4 v4 brakes? I think they would be perfect for you. lighter modulation but way stronger than the standard brake
Diffrent topic. How does riding on the northshore work. DO you pedal the hill an decent the trails in loops or is there some kind of shuttle service?
There’s 3 hills, one you pedal and two you can pedal or shuttle with your own car
How is your armpump with these compared to other top end brakes, TRP, XTR, etc? I'm not quite your weight, but pretty close, and found even with the strongest TRPs I still want more power. However I really struggle with arm pump / finger pain, so I'm really scared of Dales thesis of more armpump with mavens.
I like them better than trp and XT for power but the lever pull is a bit tougher. So if you get arm pump from hard braking these will help. But if you’re getting it from feathering the brake something lighter like trp or Hayes would be good
I’m a big guy and after seeing your video I think I made the right decision on brakes. All the stuff I’ve seen are these little 150 pound guys complaining about lever feel.
I do agree that the lever feel could be better. I much prefer Hayes in that regard. But the top end power outweighs it for me
As a lighter guy I have codes on my trail bike and mavens on my surron. Wouldn’t change a thing 👍👍
put them on my kenevo..now my emtb stops like my stumpyevo
best for heavy situations , overkill for trail or light enduro
I feel the non-light action of the lever would be a deal breaker for me sadly, do you think it could more harm pump Nick?
The less on/off your braking style, the more I find the actuation matters.
@@VanCan Could't agree more, think I'll stay in the style of Hope Tech 4 and Hayes Dominion in this case
I am running saints on 180mm rotors. Would you recommend going to 203 rotor up front and putting the 180 on the rear?
If you want more power up front, definitely
I would have to agree with you as someone who’;s also 2 Dales :-) feels like. Code RSC but with a massive power boost. Def feels like their marketing about 30% less force for 50% more top power feels accurate. But for lighter riders they are probably overkill.
Did Dave sell them to you? :-) These trails are scary af, especially the roll at 7:12
I run the CODE Ultimate stealth with HS2 rotors and have plenty of braking power and no squealing unless they get wet.
You get the squealing with the organic pads ??
@@oliverbourne9599The Metallic pads they give you when you buy them. The squealing isn't as bad as some I heard but it is there when wet.
@@GreenMeanie101 I guess I've always used organic and only ever had squealing due to contamination. Give organics a go if the noise annoys you. I do use Magura mdr-p 220mm rotors though
Any updates on the lewis?
Did you notice anything with the stem? You've effectively shortened the reach a bit and are now under the offset of your fork, probably. I've gone back and forth between 30mm'ish stems and 40mm and haven't noticed a huge change. The longer one might feel slightly more stable though.
Also if you read this, is Dave good? Haven't seen anything new from him in a while - life happens though!
I'm curious...I'm coming to ride squamish, north shore and Vancouver Island this summer. How does the shuttling system work? There's no way you pedal back up. Do you gotta know someone or do people pick ya up?
What do you mean there's no way you pedal back up? Isn't that what trail riding is? People pedal all the time and shuttle all the time at all those spots you mentioned. If you got some buddies then shuttling is the way to go to maximize a trip.
Shuttling infers that you don’t ride up. 4 people, 4 trucks (usually all friends). One truck up with 4 people, gets you three laps with the last time up a retrieval of all the vehicles (reset). Then you can do three more laps before you need to reset.
How do these compare to Hope and Magura brakes? Or have you not tried those yet?
Hard to give a good answer in a comment. But the mavens still feel like codes but with the most power of any brake
What happened to that cassette ?
What size rotors and brake pad compound did you go with?
220/200. Metallic
@VanCan I'm just curious but with the added weight and power of the Mavens and their use case why am I never seeing a comparison of the Mavens to the Saints? Everyone seems to be comparing breaks generally used for trail riding (XT's and Codes) to what clearly seems like a DH Break. Am I missing something? is it cost? ate the Saints that much more weight? Just curious why these are getting so much hype when Saints have been around for years.
I think because not too many people use saints these days and it’s my understanding that the top end power between the saints and xts are pretty close. These are getting hype because they are probably the most powerful brake available and the massive calipers means they stay consistent even on huge descents
@@VanCan That makes sense however I have a friend that switched form XT's to Saints as he is a heavier guy being 250lb's+ and said they made a huge difference in stopping power. of course this is anecdotal but it would sure be nice if someone would do that comparison to actually see the difference of a break set the Maven's should be compared to. Just an idea though and definitely don't expect to put that on you to do.
loving the videos man..yours, Dales and Daves videos are great and always leaving me wanting to go for a ride..
if only someone would Frankenstein this maven brakes with Shimano levers now that it uses mineral oil..it just might work..🤔🤔🤔haha
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Shiguras exist and are great from what my wife's brother tell us. This could be great too.
@@mellissanash7517 yep..Shiguras do feel great..a buddy of mine has one..i myself use a ShiTro..Shimano levers with Tektro 4pot calipers..also feeling great..hehehe
I said it at Dales video already, if the arm pump really is an issue, why not change master cylinders? Get a pair of different levers and match them to the Maven calipers. I think that could well turn out awesome.
Remember, these don’t run on DOT and were specifically redesigned for the new mineral oil system. That means different fittings, etc. They are not backwards compatible
@@FVPOV Fair point. But it's not impossible. I've seen different oils being used in brake systems and either one does the job. I do believe you can get around this. And seeing that people will just try anything, I believe even more that mixing up masters and calipers isn't only happening in my head.
@@OverMotoren different fittings. Different hose sizes and many different factors
Hi, I am 90kg (+15kg bike + gear) so around 110kg system weight on EN trail. I ride Core RSCs and I am SRAM fan. I get a lot of arm pump on longer descents (also not super fit) and I am terified from arm pump from initiation of braking initiation. Could you please adres that what you think? Do you think that there will be a way to make the lever feel lighter? (small note: my braking history: Guide R., Guide RSC, Code RSC)
Hope tech4 v4 are very powerful and super light lever action
Lever actuation sort is what it is. The mavens still feel like codes but the power is more easily accessible.
Codes certainly lack power for your weight. Saints, hopes and Hayes all have more power with varying lever feel. I weigh about the same and find saint/Xt with front and rear 203 rotors fine. But I find that on my ebike (220/203) the same brake combo means more breaking effort. I rarely get any arm pump though but would like a bit more power.
Interesting. What is it you don't like about the Code RSC's then?? That would help give me some context for your other comments on brakes you've tried
The lever feel and lack of power. Now the mavens have the most power and I just deal with the lever feel
@@VanCan Cool thanks. You made a great point about weight then. At 78kgs kitted and rolling, I've never even thought about RSC power or lever throw weight and personally, I find the RSC modulation the best of the brakes I've tried. I know some people prefer on/off grabby. I guess the bottom line is: so many riders, so many preference's. I totally get your point about power though. It's either enough for you or it isn't
Have you ever tried Shigura? awesome brake setup
Not yet 👀
@@VanCanfrom a mechanical standpoint, those are about as strong as you can get, so as long as you get good rotors and pads, should top these Srams in terms of power, theoretically. For sure and interesting lever feel, I really like my Shiguras.
do you like them more than the TRP that you had?
TRP feel nice, but I prefer these for the power
It can't be a 30mm stem. The shortest theoretical stem with 31.8mm bars is about 30.2mm, with 35mm bars its about 31.8mm before the handlebar is touching the steerer.
Shut up
It’s 32mm, 5Dev ti stem
Hi. Could you compare these with Shimano zee/saints? What is the power like? I know Shimanos are more on off, but are mavens more powerful? I’m cca 100kg in gear and need brakes that don’t fade and are consistent
A properly adjusted Shimano setup with servowave levers are unmatched in top end power, even by Maven. Unfortunately it's impossible to get a consistent bite point with them.
@@snokefilmmedia Mavens are way more powerful than shimanos. Here's the chart for everyone: Maxima - 50:1, Maven - 48:1, Trinity - 47:1, Tech4 V4 - 46:1, Shigura - 45:1, Dominion A4 41:1, Saint - 40:1, Direttissima 39:1, Code - 33:1
@@BeniKenesei What are these numbers?
@@snokefilmmediaTotal mechanical+hyrdaulic advantage of each brake, the higher it is the more power you have.
@@BeniKenesei So this is a relational number factoring in piston sizes, stroke length and lever size, I assume?
Shimano always for breaking
Personal question... How much do you weigh?
I've never owned a brake and thought "Whoa, perfect or too much power!"
Brakes tend to fade at the end of a long run 😳 which really tends to ruin a ride.
I'm 250lb's, but-nekid.
I outweigh all of my riding buddies by at least 35lb's 💪
I’m 220 with gear
@@VanCan how small is Dale!?
organic on sinter? what you tried with the mavens
Tried both. I like the metallic pads
@@VanCan any tips on the BED IN process? I have had difficulties in the past bedding in sintered pads where I just glazed them.
What was your process if I may ask
nothing special I can think of. I find a hill and slam on the brakes a few times
@@Mike-wm4jg Before you put on the new pads, take some water, wet the pads and rub them against each other. There is sort of a shine on the pads when new, if you take that top shiny layer off, it replaces/reduces the breaking in process. Even if you don't get it all off, it will quicken the amount of time it takes when on the bike.
@@tonyjofenig6833 I will try that, before doing the BED IN should I dry the pads or let them as it is? Of course rinsed first off to get that layer you talk about
Bro, you fuckin know how to ride steep rocky trails
Ive heard the mavens are lighter and easier to pull so im curious to try them. The main reason for the arm pump is that i need to pull harder to get power but these sound like they have really good power off the top end.
jeezus.. how much juice did you put down to bend that cassette? lmao
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@@VanCan whats the cassette brand ?
I have seen mavens..but I wanna know about your cassette lol
Some of the rivets have out and it folded over
@@VanCan honestly that makes sense, for the construction I am surprised it doesn’t happen more. Thanks for sharing 🫡
Be careful with the understeer on that short stem. I found out that hard way
I think you mean oversteer? Either way, long bars and short stems work quite well.
@@snokefilmmedia Shorter stem puts the weight rearwards = less front grip
@@BeniKenesei I often come across this argument but I don't understand why people thinks this would have any negative effect on gravity oriented riding like seen in this video. For flat terrain/XC, I can see how it might have a very small effect if you stay at the same bar width and stack height, though. Still mega easy to compensate with proper attack position regardless.
@@snokefilmmedia it does in relation to the fork offset. The more stem length is less than offset, the more understeer forces and vice versa. Wider bars doesn't change that dynamic
Have you ever had a chance to try Maguras? The Mavens are still probably more powerful but I’ve found Maguras to have good top end power too.
Brakes so powerful they blew apart your cassette! 😭
Going back to the brake discussion though I've ridden Shimano XTR's and a hybrid SRAM Guide RS/RE setup. I find the XTR's have plenty of power but weirdly easier to modulate. The RS/RE setup has a stronger bite point and perhaps a little more powerful than the XTR, but the load up into full bite is very short and hard to modulate. Feels like that's the opposite of what everyone says about these brakes but that's my experience lol.
Yeah Nick stop the presses a cassette exploded you can probably count on one hand how many times that has happened in your life
5ft to flat that’s not awful as a street rider that’s heaven 😂😂
Looks like SRAM made your cassette?.. I have not had good luck with sram brakes. Many failures. I like Magura MT7 with HC3 levers. MT5S have slightly better modulation for tricks. 7s have more power still great modulation.
XT cassette and drive train. That’s surprising to hear, sram is known for being the most reliable brake on the market.
@@VanCan Yeah Guide RSC, Level T had lever failures. Didn't like my OEM Code R so took them off bike and the rear failed during a sale attempt. Not a DOT fan either. Your new brake lever look nice esp. with your stem.
I don't understand the relation with "power" all I care for is lower input of effort aka "lever effort" pretty much all modern 4 pistons brakes I know have absolutely more than enough power since you can lock a 29 wheel easily...
Am I confused or everyone is confused about misplacing lower effort for "power" nothing make sense, whelp 😂
Once you ride places like Squamish you really start to notice the nuanced different in top end power. For general riding I agree, but for big tech moves top end power absolutely matters.
I'm 250 pounds and never have said wow these brakes have more than enough power in my life and by the bottom of long runs I regularly feel fade which requires more force to overcome. It's nice to have a bigger option for us big boys and now hebike wieghts
@@VanCan I'm not here to brag but I lived in BC for about a decade, now in Tremblant QC, I've cooked my own truckload of pads in 30yrs of MTB.
I just tried the maven silvers, they need way more lever effort than I expected even after reading reviews etc.
Apart from that I still think you don't need more power than what can lock the wheels 😊
15 years on XTR , I still don't see a reason to change.
Reliability, for one.
Reach too long on the new Chilcotin confirmed? lol
I have tried all sorts. Not these.
I have concluded, perhaps prematurely, and with prejudice, that i will stay with saints.
All my bikes are outfitted with Saints, and one bike for XC+ racing, we have XT.