I definitely felt this connection doing this drill. I've never felt this connection after 10 years of playing DG. Good stuff. I may need to sign up for some coaching over the winter.
Your last video unlocked this connection for me and I'm definitely slinging them now. Thanks a lot for that, seriously. Now I have to figure out how to get more precise with it throwing with that much power haha
Aye I felt it! That was really cool. I haven't felt that tension with doing slow-mo loaded onto the front leg but I felt it all the way through the rotation on the back leg. Gotta get out to the field tomorrow and see if I can translate it with a disc
You're recruiting your anterior delt and pec in a pulling motion across your body? you're actually stretching those muscles in that plane... pulling the disc is a lot of mid back/posterior delt/and tricep. You are certainly right in that you are recruiting small muscles with not a lot of power, but you might confuse someone by saying what you said, the only time you would recruit those muscles would be pushing the disc away from your body. Otherwise great video!
I felt it. I can understand how engaging your big muscles helps in getting bigger distance. It helps me to think about staying connected during the drill. Can’t wait to try it during field work. All your drills and advice make since being involved in other sports where coaches talked about using your whole body with connection. Just thinking sling versus throw has helped when I am playing a round as well. Great stuff. Thanks for sharing and helping us all become better disc golf athletes.
Good Feeling, looks like it may be time to start the training program for the off season. Haven't wanted to change my form during the season, but that sounds silly because why do I even care about the season LOL Great vid!
So... I decided to noodle with this drill, and... usually my throw resembles (and sounds like the 4:28 "throw" example)... so I'm crunching up, trying to feel the various stretches, and let fly, and the first couple of tosses are probably not all that different from my usual throws... and then, out of nowhere, I hear an audible POP (like the slingshot example at 4:32) and my right forefinger was all TINGLY... and boy-o-boy.... do I wish that I could REPRODUCE THAT. I think I got too excited with my next set of throws and tried to muscle some with my arms... but that was NEAT. Time to slow it all down and try to get into that stretch reflex position again.
A VERY important note is that most people are right leaning meaning they have poor natural glute acvtivation and space in the buttocks to power up the glute to be the link between the ground/legs and the upper body, forcing the left side to rotate into the right side. i could coil my right hip but didnt understand what i was doing wrong with the left one on RHB. untill yesterday when i saw a connor harris video talking about the hip and glutes and asymetries. so guys, check your right vs left coilage, maybe you need to fix some shit before you can even understand why ou cant feel "it". Without correct glute and hip activation/mobility you literally cant use the power of the legs for throwing. try a left hand stand still deep hip coil vs a right one and press uppwards with the inside of your heel and toes to internally rotate the leg into the powerpocket. YOU CANNOT INTERANALLY ROTATE YOUR LEG WITH ANY KIND OF FORCE OR LOADED KINETIC CHAIN UNLESS YOU HAVE THE BALL OF YOUR FOOT ON THE GROUND. YOU CANNOT PRESS FROM THE BACK LEG FROM ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE INSIDE OF THE 1ST MEDITARSAL HEAD TO CREATE CORRECT INTERNAL ROTATION OF THE HIP. you want a completely connected whip, not a nunchuck. the real reason the foot twists in a real throw is because it has already internally rotated the hip and after the weight transfer and hip rotation the aftermath is foot rotation from leftover momentum. its not a twist, its a press from the ball of your foot into a internally rotating hip and a externally rotating brace. driving the press into the hip rotation from the glute. Also try closing your right eye and clench your left cheek masseters for even more left side power and control. Paul Mcbeth aint afraid to leave the disc back there because he has full control of his left side, most people are so right side dominated that their brain is literally scared to leave the disc back there because it doesnt know whats happening, it cant see or feel the disc, its response is to early pull. It thinks its falling to the right and you have to blanace yourself, thats why blanace and controll is key, its not to make it easier for you, but to not scare your brain I heard twisting the leg is how they teach it to baseball kids, maybe you are on the right track here afterall. i had my doubts. I feel like im develping alongside you but from a completely different place Also im interested what you think about Will Schustericks ever famous standstill, he seems to be doing the opposite and presses with the brace more to emphasise right side external rotation over left side internal rotation. it seems to me like that might be the main missing evaluation between spinning the disc like Ricky wysocki, matt orum, paige pierce or slinging the disc like eagle or mcbeth, on a spectrum ofc. along with the spinners putting more emphasis on throwing arm supination and tip of the whip action. taking a shortcut to the "hit" if you will. might be a right vs left dominance preference pause this at 0:15 and tell me you cant tell which ones are scared of the left side, they want out of there asap ua-cam.com/video/lG4z6aTt8U4/v-deo.html both ricky and orum are ready to slam that loaded hip into the ground, ready to press that brace hip into external rotation flinging the pronated arm into supination. while eagle and mcbeth are unraveling their entire coil from the left side up. you tell me which ones are doing better, 🤣 thats the 5 year mount rushmore right there Combine them both and you get a tennis backhand garrett gurthie special ua-cam.com/video/GBdPVfXZBxI/v-deo.html. Sneaky special kind of next level power that includes downward falling momentum into the brace aswell. david wiggins looks to be doing it in his 360 aswell ua-cam.com/video/4fQ2qJX1A9g/v-deo.html he barely touches with his left foot because hes already coiled from the 360 ready to smash into the brace to create right side external rotation. look at his thighs slamm together. its a pendelum sling/counterweight stall, the mechanics of a trebuchet
Maybe you need to take a course in kinesiology. Muscle pull, muscles push, they don’t snap back like a rubber band. But, it still might be a good way to throw a disc.
Nobody really knows 100% what will work for everyone. Personally I would give the edge to the touring professional, BUT it doesn’t necessarily mean Drew is right and this guy is wrong.
Also when I manage to do this correctly, my left glute definitely feels sore. For me its a great indicator that I am on the right track for slinging a disc!
during x-step or standstill, should the rotation of the back leg lead the slingshot/throw, or should you be starting by tightening up core and twisting? (or other?) currently maxing at 330 (not on demand) with most being in the 275ish range on 5-9 speeds. You're videos took me from throwing 120ft with my putters to 225ft overnight one month into playing. Thank you!
I can def feel it. The hard part for me has been trying to keep load on the back leg and getting it to turn first. I can feel it deloading when I take that stride out of the x step and I know it's causing the spring to relax and lose power.
I was watching a Bodanza series with Drew Gibson and in that Gibson mentioned not just stepping onto your plant foot but stepping into your plant foot. I'm not sure if that's exactly how they said it, but that's what I took away. I was playing yesterday working on this stuff, and I drove into my plant foot, imagine stomping it down, and then consciously pushing off of my back foot driving into the plant foot. I don't know if this helps, but I think we were having the same problem, and that's helping me.
@@NJT1013 The shorter steps I did pick up on from Drew. But it's also making me realize I need to move much slower... when I take a longer stride, that actually gives more time to perform the full reach back. With a shorter step, the reach back feels super rushed. So probably just moving much slower than before with shorter steps will help figure out this form. I think it also lets you feel 'the hit' better, where once you've slowly coiled up you can explode out of it. So slow step, slow x, slow coil, explode.
@ViJt-oq5nq Yes, load up. For me it helps to think of it as a back swing where really I'm moving my body around the disc. If I think reach back it screws me all up.
I live in the power pocket. Noodle arms. Limp bizkit legs. Big time protein intake with zero carbs and zero sugars. Bench is at 320lb and my wife is getting bigger every day. But i love that . Older i get the more i like big ladies
I like what you're trying to do but your understanding of muscle recruitment is distracting. Nobody pulls with their pec. If you life weights, you train pec on PUSH days. When you pull a disc across, you're using latissimus dorsi, biceps, some traps, and your rotator cuff muscles as well as rear deltoid. Maybe you want to update your messaging and any literature. They're the same muscles that you explained on the slinging portion of your video. The true difference between pulling and slinging is the slack in your arm. There's more slack in the arm when you pull vs coming through with the body that's dragging the arm through
You do when you do flys😎, and some advanced lifters would say you do on bench presses as well sure you push with you tris but your actually pulling or squeezing your chest together during the exercise your chest is pushing nothing
@@seeballgetball937 completely useless information. You're not doing a chest fly or bench press while throwing a disc. Muscles can only actively contract (concentric) or hold (isometric). They elongate due to relaxing and the opposite muscles contracting (concentric). Pulling the disc on a backhand is not a concentric movement on the pec. It is concentric on lats, rear delts, rhomboids, SITs muscles, and right Obliques, among many others I dont feel like naming right now.
You just did the same thing when throwing and sling shot. you just dont understand how to throw a disc without arming it so you dont have a concept of what youre teaching
Go watch the video at slingshotdiscgolf.com
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I definitely felt this connection doing this drill. I've never felt this connection after 10 years of playing DG. Good stuff. I may need to sign up for some coaching over the winter.
Felt it for sure. Just need to get it implemented into my throw on the course!
Your last video unlocked this connection for me and I'm definitely slinging them now. Thanks a lot for that, seriously. Now I have to figure out how to get more precise with it throwing with that much power haha
Aye I felt it! That was really cool. I haven't felt that tension with doing slow-mo loaded onto the front leg but I felt it all the way through the rotation on the back leg. Gotta get out to the field tomorrow and see if I can translate it with a disc
You're recruiting your anterior delt and pec in a pulling motion across your body? you're actually stretching those muscles in that plane... pulling the disc is a lot of mid back/posterior delt/and tricep. You are certainly right in that you are recruiting small muscles with not a lot of power, but you might confuse someone by saying what you said, the only time you would recruit those muscles would be pushing the disc away from your body. Otherwise great video!
Yeah that put my brain in a pretzel too
This... of all the videos (on UA-cam) on "how to throw" and "proper form" ....this helped it click for me! Thank You!
Great to hear!
I felt it.
I can understand how engaging your big muscles helps in getting bigger distance. It helps me to think about staying connected during the drill.
Can’t wait to try it during field work.
All your drills and advice make since being involved in other sports where coaches talked about using your whole body with connection.
Just thinking sling versus throw has helped when I am playing a round as well.
Great stuff. Thanks for sharing and helping us all become better disc golf athletes.
Crazy how this drill has me feeling the throw like I never have…in my kitchen 😂…can’t wait to try it for real. Thanks Coach T!!
Good Feeling, looks like it may be time to start the training program for the off season. Haven't wanted to change my form during the season, but that sounds silly because why do I even care about the season LOL Great vid!
I felt every bit of that. Thanks for the short vids to help people out that want to get better.
So... I decided to noodle with this drill, and... usually my throw resembles (and sounds like the 4:28 "throw" example)... so I'm crunching up, trying to feel the various stretches, and let fly, and the first couple of tosses are probably not all that different from my usual throws... and then, out of nowhere, I hear an audible POP (like the slingshot example at 4:32) and my right forefinger was all TINGLY... and boy-o-boy.... do I wish that I could REPRODUCE THAT. I think I got too excited with my next set of throws and tried to muscle some with my arms... but that was NEAT. Time to slow it all down and try to get into that stretch reflex position again.
I FELT IT COACH
Great drill to feel the tension. I definitely felt it!
Yes!
“I FEEL the Need for …
S …. Slingshots!” 🔥
Oh yeah! I felt it!!
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A VERY important note is that most people are right leaning meaning they have poor natural glute acvtivation and space in the buttocks to power up the glute to be the link between the ground/legs and the upper body, forcing the left side to rotate into the right side. i could coil my right hip but didnt understand what i was doing wrong with the left one on RHB. untill yesterday when i saw a connor harris video talking about the hip and glutes and asymetries. so guys, check your right vs left coilage, maybe you need to fix some shit before you can even understand why ou cant feel "it".
Without correct glute and hip activation/mobility you literally cant use the power of the legs for throwing. try a left hand stand still deep hip coil vs a right one and press uppwards with the inside of your heel and toes to internally rotate the leg into the powerpocket. YOU CANNOT INTERANALLY ROTATE YOUR LEG WITH ANY KIND OF FORCE OR LOADED KINETIC CHAIN UNLESS YOU HAVE THE BALL OF YOUR FOOT ON THE GROUND. YOU CANNOT PRESS FROM THE BACK LEG FROM ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE INSIDE OF THE 1ST MEDITARSAL HEAD TO CREATE CORRECT INTERNAL ROTATION OF THE HIP. you want a completely connected whip, not a nunchuck. the real reason the foot twists in a real throw is because it has already internally rotated the hip and after the weight transfer and hip rotation the aftermath is foot rotation from leftover momentum. its not a twist, its a press from the ball of your foot into a internally rotating hip and a externally rotating brace. driving the press into the hip rotation from the glute.
Also try closing your right eye and clench your left cheek masseters for even more left side power and control. Paul Mcbeth aint afraid to leave the disc back there because he has full control of his left side, most people are so right side dominated that their brain is literally scared to leave the disc back there because it doesnt know whats happening, it cant see or feel the disc, its response is to early pull. It thinks its falling to the right and you have to blanace yourself, thats why blanace and controll is key, its not to make it easier for you, but to not scare your brain
I heard twisting the leg is how they teach it to baseball kids, maybe you are on the right track here afterall. i had my doubts. I feel like im develping alongside you but from a completely different place
Also im interested what you think about Will Schustericks ever famous standstill, he seems to be doing the opposite and presses with the brace more to emphasise right side external rotation over left side internal rotation. it seems to me like that might be the main missing evaluation between spinning the disc like Ricky wysocki, matt orum, paige pierce or slinging the disc like eagle or mcbeth, on a spectrum ofc. along with the spinners putting more emphasis on throwing arm supination and tip of the whip action. taking a shortcut to the "hit" if you will. might be a right vs left dominance preference
pause this at 0:15 and tell me you cant tell which ones are scared of the left side, they want out of there asap ua-cam.com/video/lG4z6aTt8U4/v-deo.html both ricky and orum are ready to slam that loaded hip into the ground, ready to press that brace hip into external rotation flinging the pronated arm into supination. while eagle and mcbeth are unraveling their entire coil from the left side up. you tell me which ones are doing better, 🤣 thats the 5 year mount rushmore right there
Combine them both and you get a tennis backhand garrett gurthie special ua-cam.com/video/GBdPVfXZBxI/v-deo.html. Sneaky special kind of next level power that includes downward falling momentum into the brace aswell. david wiggins looks to be doing it in his 360 aswell ua-cam.com/video/4fQ2qJX1A9g/v-deo.html he barely touches with his left foot because hes already coiled from the 360 ready to smash into the brace to create right side external rotation. look at his thighs slamm together. its a pendelum sling/counterweight stall, the mechanics of a trebuchet
Insightful comment. Thanks!
I think that tip about pushing from the big toe area is gonna fix something for me!
Great video. I feel something, need to work on bending my knees more
You’re telling me the two muscles chains in your body make up a double helix like your dna? That’s crazy
This is really good. Best DG teaching out there. Could you do another video on the off arm?
Yes
Great vid as always!
Maybe you need to take a course in kinesiology. Muscle pull, muscles push, they don’t snap back like a rubber band. But, it still might be a good way to throw a disc.
For sure feeling it
Great advice
Been watching Drew Gibson for the last week and he really suggests you not do with your left arm what you are telling people to do here.
Nobody really knows 100% what will work for everyone. Personally I would give the edge to the touring professional, BUT it doesn’t necessarily mean Drew is right and this guy is wrong.
When you say "through here" after you point to the glute, are you talking lower back, lats, traps or all the above?
Also when I manage to do this correctly, my left glute definitely feels sore. For me its a great indicator that I am on the right track for slinging a disc!
Great demonstration, but you do seem to overly simplify the power-pocket mechanics, but still... great demo.
Of course you get into the deep pocket, but you do it while in rotation using your body, with hip / shoulder seperation in the coil
during x-step or standstill, should the rotation of the back leg lead the slingshot/throw, or should you be starting by tightening up core and twisting? (or other?)
currently maxing at 330 (not on demand) with most being in the 275ish range on 5-9 speeds. You're videos took me from throwing 120ft with my putters to 225ft overnight one month into playing. Thank you!
I can def feel it.
The hard part for me has been trying to keep load on the back leg and getting it to turn first.
I can feel it deloading when I take that stride out of the x step and I know it's causing the spring to relax and lose power.
I was watching a Bodanza series with Drew Gibson and in that Gibson mentioned not just stepping onto your plant foot but stepping into your plant foot. I'm not sure if that's exactly how they said it, but that's what I took away. I was playing yesterday working on this stuff, and I drove into my plant foot, imagine stomping it down, and then consciously pushing off of my back foot driving into the plant foot. I don't know if this helps, but I think we were having the same problem, and that's helping me.
@@NJT1013 Interesting, I'll give it a shot.
@ViJt-oq5nq I also shortened my X-step a bit, and it's easier to transfer power.
@@NJT1013 The shorter steps I did pick up on from Drew.
But it's also making me realize I need to move much slower... when I take a longer stride, that actually gives more time to perform the full reach back. With a shorter step, the reach back feels super rushed. So probably just moving much slower than before with shorter steps will help figure out this form.
I think it also lets you feel 'the hit' better, where once you've slowly coiled up you can explode out of it. So slow step, slow x, slow coil, explode.
@ViJt-oq5nq Yes, load up. For me it helps to think of it as a back swing where really I'm moving my body around the disc. If I think reach back it screws me all up.
Are there any FPO players who you would say use the SS method?
Yes. I’m making a review video of an FPO player next week. Stay tuned
I need those shoes.
I live in the power pocket. Noodle arms. Limp bizkit legs. Big time protein intake with zero carbs and zero sugars. Bench is at 320lb and my wife is getting bigger every day. But i love that . Older i get the more i like big ladies
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Yo! I dig your style, man. You're out here living your best life.
I like to throw discs using a slingshot method. I call it sling shot disc golf. My patented 226 step program i designed during covid
I like what you're trying to do but your understanding of muscle recruitment is distracting. Nobody pulls with their pec. If you life weights, you train pec on PUSH days. When you pull a disc across, you're using latissimus dorsi, biceps, some traps, and your rotator cuff muscles as well as rear deltoid. Maybe you want to update your messaging and any literature. They're the same muscles that you explained on the slinging portion of your video. The true difference between pulling and slinging is the slack in your arm. There's more slack in the arm when you pull vs coming through with the body that's dragging the arm through
I will work on it. Thank you for your feedback.
You do when you do flys😎, and some advanced lifters would say you do on bench presses as well sure you push with you tris but your actually pulling or squeezing your chest together during the exercise your chest is pushing nothing
@@seeballgetball937 completely useless information. You're not doing a chest fly or bench press while throwing a disc. Muscles can only actively contract (concentric) or hold (isometric). They elongate due to relaxing and the opposite muscles contracting (concentric). Pulling the disc on a backhand is not a concentric movement on the pec. It is concentric on lats, rear delts, rhomboids, SITs muscles, and right Obliques, among many others I dont feel like naming right now.
You just did the same thing when throwing and sling shot. you just dont understand how to throw a disc without arming it so you dont have a concept of what youre teaching