I have to say I believe you are spot on. While I love the comfort and the look of these I feel the Amp Flex is a gimmick. I tuck my tongue under and feel no difference. But otherwise they fit me great and have been protective. Before I forget, I do like the tendon guard a lot.
I like the tendon guard as well. The skate is solid I just feel this feature is another under developed thing. One person said they should have put multiples of it and probably would have been better
I skated with a guy yesterday who just got the M5 Pro's and he said he loves them so far. I think that's the direction I will go. I currently have a old 2018 Bauer Nexus Freeze Pro skates so it will be a huge upgrade for me. Thanks for the video and keep it up!
you're 1000% right about the eyelets. the Hyperlite injected eyelets that have the flex zones. i wish they brought that down into the lower price points.
Thanks for posting this video as it made my choice much easier in July when I was torn between the Mach and M5 Pro. I really loved the all black look of the Machs, but the amp flex feature and the 5% weight reduction just couldn't convince me or justify spending an additional $300.00. I finally settled on the M5 Pros fitted with the LS Pulse Titanium runner and I love them. Been skating with these puppies for the last 8 weeks and they feel like my old 1S skates from 2016. Great support and very responsive with every stride. Since I do not lace up to the top; leaving the top 2 eyelets open, the amp flex feature is something I wouldn't have been able to fully utilize because of my lacing style.
I got the Mach's with PulseTi for my son for US$ 660 during a discount. Could have bought the M5PRO during same time with same discount (25%) but we went for the Mach, hope we did the right with this discount. He say that it feels really great from start now so that's good.
Love the content here but, wouldn’t it be more of an accurate comparison amongst the Supreme line say, MACH vs Ultra Sonic in (forward flexion) than Supreme vs Vapor… just a thought, again love the full disclosure here… great to see content that takes you behind the curtain. Respect ✊🏽
Yeah, I’m more just saying is the amp really anything at all. Over the ultrasonic probably isn’t even a change and more a gimmick. Appreciate it and thanks for feedback
Looking forward to my Mach's going to go with P.TI . Coming from a 2016 version of the V.X900 . I wanted to treat myself, I think the Amp flex only engages in certain situations which is what you want. HL and Mach cater to different styles of players.
I was so hyped to see the Machs...and then I saw the price. It's just not worth it for recreational skaters like myself I've seen people from our country's national team play with it and it didn't look as impressive as I thought Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the skates! It really changed my view of the prices of skates
Glad! I’m switching to my hyperlite again after I’m done with Mach testing as it’s just a better skate for me. However overall as I mention the lower skates will be much better the amp is just a gimmick
Love the videos and I just got A new twig I think you should review. It’s the hockeystickman pro blackout. I think it’s pretty good and feels high end for $100.
So, told you I would get back to you on my new skate escapade...I literally tried on EVERYTHING. The only thing I could not try on was the FT4...which bummed me out a bit...but whatever. I tried: 1) TACKS AS-V (strange feeling footbed and replacement tongue lugs I could feel on the top of my foot...annoying) 2) HYPERLITES Fit 1(tongue dug into inner ankle bones, had little to no tendon guard flex and were strangely uncomfortable as it gave me a weird pinch point at the back of my ankles, yet... roomy)...I know, weird... 3) M5 PRO Fit 1 (great fit and felt great right out of the box and really liked the flex of the tendon guard ) 4) 3X PRO (felt better than the Hyperlites...probably because of the felt vs the Hyperlite-shaped tongue...but did not feel quite right yet as they felt really overly stiff as well...toe box was too roomy and I prefer a closer fit up there) 5) MACH (felt amazingly comfortable at a Fit 1 as I am usually a D width in just about every skate...so this was surprising as well. They didnt have the exact size I needed either in that...more on that later) 6) RIBCOR 100K (felt really comfortable as well out of the box...but they didn't have the right size for me...kind of bummed me out...but I digress)... Conclusion: I had to go to the Scottsdale shop which was a bit further drive just to try on the MACH and Ribcor and FT4 in my size...but am glad I drove the extra half hour. Between all of them the MACH were by far the most comfortable skate I've put my foot into...right out of the box...big toe just feathers the end of the toe cap, width was at Fit 1, alarmingly pleasing to my foot, the tendon guard flex feels great on initial push off...it really allows my foot and ankle to move the way I prefer, the pro liner and pro padding foam were a step up in comfort factor over the M5 PRO as well...I was going to buy the M5 PRO...but realized something...in the last several years...sizing has changed...I am able to very comfortably I might add able to wear a Bauer size 6...which is an man-card-carrying, destroying INTERMEDIATE skate now... WTH??!! Well, I can tell you that as soon as I knew that data point...I opted for the MACHs. I hit up a public skate session after buying them...but before having them baked...and my feet...never really ached at all...a FIRST...as soon as the session was over...I went back to the pro shop and had em baked...HOLY. HELL! Simply amazeballs. Saved enough money that I snagged a pair of pro stock mitts for the upcoming season. He shoots he SCORES!! Cheers!! $859.99 (intermediate) USD vs. $1100.00
Wow what a shop! Well done. As-v I went to get this weekend and man I just couldn’t. I hated them. So bulky and couldn’t get the weird feelings on my feet to go away. I opted out and unfortunately won’t be reviewing them. The Mach was amazing out of the box. The fit and comfort was second to none. And it’s a traditional feeling skate. From that perspective you can’t argue you need the skate to feel good. Bauer did well there. The amp I think it’s a gimmick but doesn’t mean the skate doesn’t perform. Glad you got one that works and feels amazing. Cheers on the update
@@beerleaguebumhockeyreviews I agree.. the footbed had a weird hump in between the toes and foot...like a roll or something...and they WERE wide and clunky. I wanted to like them...coming from my 8 year old top tier Tacks...but they did not feel as comfy as the old Tacks...and didn't come close to the Mach. I agree...the amp flex I don't think really is all its cracked up to be...but in terms of the overall fit and feel on the ice today...they couldn't be denied. Keep up the good work Bum!
@@GeoffSweet yah I stood up and was like wtf is this pressure point that isn’t something I can work with and then I put them on with a hyperlite for me ( my fab skate ) and was like shit I can’t buy em. So ended up with brand new hyperlites for now I guess until next year when ft6 or new Vapor’s come. Machs were great and amazing but I needed to return to my originals
@@beerleaguebumhockeyreviews I wanted to love the Hyperlites...I truly did...I've had a pic on my laptop for 2 months...staring at em...because I haven't had the time to drive 2 hours north to Phoenix. But I'll be damned if it wasn't disappointing as shit. They were actually the first set I crossed off. Different feet need different things.
I was trying these and the hyperlites on the other day and gotta day your spot on. I could lace the hyperlites all the way to the top and have them tight and still get more forward flex,that being said I was getting ankle discomfort and went with the machs purely for comfort. They are way stiffer in the upper portion as far as forward flex goes, but I can always leave the top eyelet untied and just loosen the laces in that upper portion.
Had the M5 Pros for about 3 weeks and just returned them and actually went custom Machs. I’m a Fit 3 and I’m probably at the top end of that, personally I needed/wanted the extra comfort so I went for everything I could get.
Might be a bit late to the party here to get a reply 😅, but would you say the M5 Pros and Machs had the same liners / padding inside or what would be the difference. Was the reason you went custom Mach over M5 Pro just for width or a mix of that and other (e.g., say you preferred the Mach tongue or somthing).
@@retiredhamster7003 the Machs were my third skate in about 2 years that fit okay not great. I kept having very uncomfortable pressure points so I wanted the custom option of the padding being added to my specific foot.
I’m not trying to crap on Bauer but……..LOL I’m about to pick these up for my kid instead of the M5 pro. The only think I will say is that maybe someone who plays at higher level and skates more often will feel the amp flex difference. Either way blacked out skate looks fire, so worth the extra cost anyway. Thanks for the review!!!
Probably the best looking skate currently, I ended up selling these as I just fit better with the hyperlite. Now the hyperlite 2. However from comfort and out of box feel these were amazing. I have an early impressions video on then as well. This was just the amp flex
I’ve been in Vapor Skates since 2009 in my Varsity High School days. Looking at getting some new wheels, do you have trouble switching between supreme and vapor skates? I love the new supreme lineup but worry it would be a huge adjustment as far as boot pitch with them. Would you recommend staying in what your “used to”? Or are they both “great”? Great review and channel! Love your videos!
I had trouble adjusting and am back in my Vapor’s for that same reason is pitch. I felt I was on my heels in the Machs. If something works extremely well and your comfortable I would stay. As a lateral move from skate to skate wouldn’t make much of a difference. Now if your Vapor’s are very old then it’s a different story the upgrade may work well
@@beerleaguebumhockeyreviews I appreciate the input!! I’m currently in x5.0’s (middle of the road skates in the original APX line) and they are great, but it’s probably time I retire them. I feel like I just need to try on supremes and vapors to see what it’s like. Vapors are all I’ve played in, I’m just wondering if supremes would help my stride. (I’m big dude with long legs, 6’2 230, was always a 2-way defensemen with a long stride for sprint speed). Thanks again for your input!
@@SeanGolf also depends if you are going to go up a Tier of skate as well. The m5 a friend of mine has and says they are amazing as well so don’t need to go full Mach if on a budget
Just bought m5pro with titanium pulse edges upgrade. moved from the vapor x600 with ls5 pulse. next week our rink should be open so i will Give it a try but cant wait :)
@@beerleaguebumhockeyreviews Finally i had an opportunity to spend few hours on ice with Supreme M5 pro and I can share my thoughts, comparing them with old school vapor x600 budget skates with LS5 blades. I can tell you that... there is not so much difference as I would expected. Maybe, because I couldn’t get used to TI blades and I have switched them back to my LS5??? of course M5 have better ankle support, and are stiffer but overall performance gain is not so big, at least at my level. What really matters is much better puck protection. I was hit 2 times in front through tongue and of course I could feel it but I could also continue my shift. In x600, after such a hit, I would spend rest of a game on bench ( I like to skate with tongue out) Another big difference is forward flex which was quite consistent during the game. I didn’t have to retighten them which was quite common in case of x600. I also like asymmetric toe box an really recommend baking in pro shop and not in home owen. In my case, baking made huge difference because, out of the box, these skates were very narrow at toe and now, they are almost as comfortable as my 6 years old x600 :) so I really recommend these skates but please keep in mind that these skates will not make you a better skater out of the box ;) sorry for my grammar but English is not my native language.
@@Olosann sounds like overall a good experience though and yes protection is much better in these higher end skates especially the tongue. Good stuff!!
Great video, just wonderin if the Supreme UltraSonics are still available, would u recommend that over the new M5s? I know the toe cap is 2mm wider with the new lines up (to that of the ultrasonics) and thats importabt for people with wilder feet around thr pinky bone area. Thanks!
Personally I can't recommend new top of the line skates to really anyone who isn't getting them for free, unless they are on clearance or used. Like what you said, it would be better for people to get the M5 Pro instead of the Mach, but I think that it would be best for people to look for 3S Pros and Ultrasonics on clearance first as the 4 of them are all 98% the same skate. Also considering the AS3s and AS3 Pros would be a good idea.
@@beerleaguebumhockeyreviews I just checked an my LHS (CTS) is completely sold out of Fit 2 and Fit 3 Ultrasonics, but has Fit 1 in every size. They didn't carry 3S Pros. Edit: And SportChek has 3S Pros in stock but not on sale.
This is a good option for some but the machs toe cap is a couple mm wider and will fit way better for most ppl including myself. I'm always looking for a deal but a fit 2 3s pro caused rubbing on the outside of my big and pinky toe whereas a fit 1 mach didn't. I would've for sure gone for the 3s pros that are half the price of the machs it thru fit me
Great info. I just bought the hyperlites, and it feels like there is a ton of room in the forward part of my boot. I happened to just slip the Supreme Mach and with out lacing it up, it felt like the Mach was more snug. Did you feel the hyperlite was a bit more rommier? I am thinking of going to the Mach now as the fit felt better. Last question, which skate had the better or least break in period?
Yes hyperlite is has more room in back in the hyper now and the Mach was tighter. Both had same break in though which is nothing. One game basically and you’re good
Do yourself a favour and grab the Asv pros if you want a high end power skater still skate. Bauer just keeps throwing cheap gimmicks out to keep up and are falling short. Great video man and good call out
It’s my next purchase! I would have had em already first since I have never had a ccm skate, and was super curious but the holder issue pushed it back so will wait for the hockey shop to get em back with the correct holders and I’ll be all over it
I am getting ready to buy new skates and I have always been a traditional Vapor guy, but I interested in learning about the durability of the Machs vs the Hyperlite. I saw the Hyperlite durability didn't seem to hold up. What has your experience been with the Machs in regards to durability (cosmetically and protection) ?
The Machs are more durable and more Protective than the hyperlite. The hyperlite is like a slipper built for agility and stream lined. Not protection and durability is lacking
Was recently custom fit for the Mach , and when the skate was first laced up for me after baking it was clear that the Amp Flex WAS in fact visibly crimping/ flexing.
Had the Hyperlites and couldn't stand the forward flex and upper wasn't as stiff as previous Vapors. Sold them and definitely looking at these and FT4 Pros.
7.5 fit 3, I just noticed, I think that'd be my size. Do you have a wide forefoot? I'm in ccm super tacks right now, I have to skip an eyelet in the middle and have them super loose. I wear supreme goalie skates in 7.5EE, they're pretty comfortable (but obviously I skate a lot less as a goalie).
Hey skaters!!! A tip if you want that “extra flexion” when your taking strides is to just leave the top eyelet unlaced!!!! If you tie your skates tight enough (which you should) all this will do is make you bend your shin/ankle a little more. Try it out!!! I promise it’s works and won’t compromise anything!!!
Thanks yes heard a lot about this. Probably works well for top skaters but would be a bit sketch for someone who doesn’t have best ankle strength so just be careful we are beer league bums here after all lol
@Average Canadian unfortunately probably not just because skates are big $$ so I stick with 1-2 pairs a year. With new hyperlite 2 and ft6pro coming that’s probably where I will spend my money
The real question is whether this skate offers improved forward flexion over the prior Ultrasonics. I've been skating in the Machs since around the July 4th weekend and I love them. I'm able to drop down to 3/4" ROH, and even that feels sharp. I really fly in these skates. Have had the Hyperlites as well and I could barely use a 5/8 ROH in those, though that might've been more of a fitment issue. Bottom line, if you're the type of person that needs to drop an eyelet in the Hyperlite, eg, then you're just in the wrong boot. I think the Mach's are a better option in that case, as I struggled with the same thing (dropping an eyelet vs not). And in beer league, no less, where that sort of a thing is a total energy leak. Maybe a dozen skaters in the world can get away with dropping an eyelet and not suffer performance degradation. I'm not one of them and never will be.
The skate is excellent and holds a more traditional feel to me Over the hyperlite which has the eyelets and slits. But overall A tiny sliver and the way the amp flex feels I don’t think it does anything over the ultrasonic. However it’s tongue and small weight improvement is great
@@beerleaguebumhockeyreviews I haven't skated on any prior Supreme-line skate, so I couldn't say. I will say that the same thing can be achieved, however, by simply skipping the second-to-last eyelet.
How is the fit system? Can you go from say an 8 fit2 Vapor to an 8 fit2 supreme? I’m wearing old apxs, no problem. Just broken down. So I thought vapors would be the go to skate. But the supreme fits my foot so much better. The m5 pro is super comfortable just walking around in store
The worst part about the MACH skates (and the Supreme line) in my opinion is the flexible tendon guard. It makes the skate unstable for me and unusable in game... it's more of a practice skate if you ask me. I can skate better in my 10 year old Vapor 40s without even tying them up because the fixed tendon guard gives me way more stability when changing direction quickly. I had the MACH's and traded them in for Vapor Shift Pros ($500 cheaper) because they had a stiffer tendon guard (although still not as stiff as my Vapor 40's)
i think you’re missing the point of the amp flex. the supreme line has a stiff ankle and soft boot. the amp flex is an attempt to make a stiff ankle have a little more forward motion. hyperlite is a soft ankle and stiff boot.
Theory is good just didn’t see the actual on ice transition. The boot was very traditional feeling and a great fit. Just felt a bit clunky and upright in comparison to the hyperlite.
@@beerleaguebumhockeyreviews you must be a good skater who can use both skates. i know a lot of guys who can’t use hyperlites because of how the ankle flexes outwards in strides.
@@Im-ru1nw I liked the Mach but felt I was “off” if that makes sense in them. Even though team mates said I looked good and skated well. Sometimes skates are just a feel thing which sucks cause I wanted to stay in them for comfort. I went back to hyperlite and was better with the forward flex. I’m now I’m hyperlite 2 and prefer the OG and mach over those so who knows skates are crazy subjective
@@beerleaguebumhockeyreviews i had hyperlites and just got the hyperlite2s. i’m probably gonna sell and get a pair of machs. i just feel like my strides are off with how my ankle flexes inwards in strides and i know a lot of guys who has that problem. i did feel like my original hyperlites felt better than the new ones. maybe it’s because i was used to them but something feels off a bit.
@@beerleaguebumhockeyreviews do you feel like the fit 3 vapor and fit 3 supreme fit the same? i have fit 2 vapor but i’m not sure if i should go fit 1 mach because supremes start off a little wider
I just had to replace a 1999 vintage Tacks 1052 custom pro lites. Tried on CCM AS-V and felt sloppy in their ankle cut, Jetspeed was the same. Put a Mach and M5-Pro on each foot.... felt like what I'm used to, a stiff skate with higher ankle support. Both felt good in the boot, but the stiffer tongue in the Mach sold me. The M5Pro was too floppy and felt like I could flex too far out of the skate (granted I'm 6'1" & 230). I torque skates as tight as I can and I flex them hard. Didn't like the sticker of the mach, but felt more connected in them. Hopefully they get me another 20 years 😄.
@@beerleaguebumhockeyreviews 1 year h.s., 4 years of college intramural, lots of outdoor rink play, off and on old man league play. A cracked blade holder is what did them in at the end. 🤭
I know why the amp flex is so tiny, it’s because they don’t want to displace the eyelets, they should have put more of the amp flex things between eyelets. The vapor 3x skates has the flex thing that does flex but it displaces two eyelets on each skates
For some reason the M5 Pro and Mach Fit slightly different where the toe box meets the boot. I have issues with my feet and have tried various sizes and Fit (1/2/3). The Mach's seem to have a smoother profile inside the boot compared to the M5pro so much I can drop from Fit 3 to Fit 2 with the Machs without crushing my pinky toe.
Yep I actually went to another store and tried the exact same fit/size/skates and had the same problem with the M5pro the only explanation the guys had was maybe Bauer used a slightly different mold for the 12K weave on the Machs@@beerleaguebumhockeyreviews
@@Death-of-rats seems plausible. I wouldn’t think the same line release would have different fit but there ya go! I’ve noticed diff fit between hyper lite 2 and originals as well.
Nice Video. This notch is not new. Bauer already used it 15 years ago in the Vapor Line (XXX and lower). And there it worked. This 3D composite curve skates are really stiff in most areas. So you have two options. Let the skate flex in the forefoot area and/or in the ankle area. I think its not a big upgrade at all. Your skating style is not very deep and powerskating like. On deep strides it might maybe be helpful, but its not a gamechanging feature at all
appreciate that feedback. yeah I should get out for some power skating and work at it as well. Im fast enough so never seems to matter lol I didnt know that on the old vapor line, who knew!
Have you had a chance to try the ft4 pros? I also heard the amp flex is designed for a tucked in skater, something to do with pressure the tongue applies. Can you confirm this? Or is it all rumours?
I didnt no, going for as-v pro next just waiting for them to arrive at the stores. The way the amp flex is designed is to basically crimp on top of itself from what i can tell, so I could see you would really have to be on top of your boot to do so due to the stiffness. The recoil of the eyelets though in my opinion dont seem to do anything like the hyperlites do. Hence why i think for a traditional skate the m5pro would fit the same purpose at a much cheaper price point
I haven’t tried the ft4 pros but did skate with the ft4. I really liked them and they felt the way they were advertised. I ultimately went with Ribcore customs because I have kind of a low volume foot that is wide at the balls of my feet. Comparison between the two, ft4 were slightly stiffer so I felt faster on straight aways and quicker coming out of turns. Ribcore allows for more margin for error because of the flex. I can change direction easier and not feel like I’m going to fall. Now I have a pair of size 7 ft4 skates with ten games on them and they are just collecting dust. Lol
@@lightbulb002 I feel you I have so much gear lying around and it’s gonna get worse as I test and release vids. What matters is you got what works now!
If it ain't broke......sounds like you need to revert back to the Hyperlites or even "downgrade" to the M5 Pro's. I think Bauer (and CCM) have 90 day warranties on their skates and you can simply state "performance degradation" to justify a refund or credit towards another skate.
Luckily the purchase will be a write off down the line for taxes, since UA-cam will be a business so I’ll keep ‘em. Plus I like to see how long skates actually last for durability testing and how much game damage they will take. Overall just doesn’t seem to add anything to the skate. With traditional eyelets they tried something different but I’m just not seeing it.
@@beerleaguebumhockeyreviews didn't think that having new eyelets would impact your ability to skate but then again, flex on the skate is extremely important. I can't imagine how annoying that must be when you're trying to turn on a dime or make abrupt stops. Thanks again for the update Justin - save a lot of bacon for us plain folks! lol
I’m sure Bauer skates are decent, but they don’t half have a lot of gimmicks. The strips across the tongue that they claim give more power is a perfect example. Then there is the injected facings, which worked really well for getting a tight lacing. But my Trues don’t need to have tight laces, so the traditional eyelets are just as good. In fact they are better because they allow the skate to provide a better foot wrap. They have fancy names for the toe caps, with grandiose claims about their effectiveness, but there is a nasty join inside the skate between the toe cap and the shell which gave me bunions. They boast about the carbon curve shell and heat moulding, but in reality they hardly move during heat moulding. I reckon the truth is that they have few real innovations, most of the features are marketing nonsense. My Bauer S2 Pro customs were very durable, I’m not convinced my Trues are. But the Trues provide me with far more ankle support, so my tight turns are better, and for reasons I don’t understand, the overall performance is far higher. Edge drills that were hard in the Bauers are easy in the Trues. It might be because they provide a better fit to the foot, with less distance between opposing facings. Plus I can wear stock Trues, they are incredibly thermoformable, and far more comfortable than stock Bauers. I hate my Bauer 2.9X Vapor inlines. They are painful. I’m not saying True skates are better, just that they work better for me. Bauer in my opinion need to innovate.
Bauer skates are designed to be stream lined. They feel light; small, and agile. Ccm, and true feel bulky and heavy to me. But Bauer needs to exploit that as opposed to putting gimmicks on their skates that do nothing. The amp flex was a silly gimmick that added cost to the top end skate that wasn’t needed. Of all the things Bauer has done on skates. Injected eyelets, amp flex: tongue inserts, tendon inserts, speed plates, etc the injected eyelets are 1/20 that make sense and work
@@beerleaguebumhockeyreviews I weighed my TF9 and Bauer 2S Pro custom without insoles, the TF9 weighs 60g more, but it has a new blade, the Bauer has a nearly exhausted blade, so in reality they have almost the same weight. My TF9 is far more agile, on my feet. I was really disappointed in my Bauers when I moved to TF9, the improvement in edge control, stability and agility shocked me. For example I can do really nice powerpulls in the Trues, I can’t in the Bauers, and in the Trues I can get much deeper edges doing crossrolls. I don’t think this is true (no pun intended) for everyone, maybe not for most people. I think what I am seeing is that I have feet that don’t suit Bauers, even customs. I have ducks feet with very narrow leg bones. Stock Bauers are painful, I hate my 2.9X inlines. The customs are the same shape as stock skates, just sized to each foot in 1/4 size increments, with a bit of heat+pressure moulding. I think they filled the ankle of my skate with foam padding to bulk it out, which means there is inadequate support, hence they lack control and precision. In other words, I’m not contradicting your review, your Bauers may well be fantastic on your feet. But the performance depends on the feet inside, as well as the skating ability. As for gimmicks, you can’t blame them, they have to sell product, and if a Turbotongue, Gigashell and Megaeyelets help sales, so be it.
@@StillAliveAndKicking_ yep great points. In my hyperlite 2 skate review I just posted a couple weeks ago I discuss how fit is king because my hyperlite 2 don’t fit well and gives me a lot of issues. It’s important skates work for your feet
I recently purchased the Mach and had the 2S Pro before. I think there is a noticeable difference with this new tongue. I'm not sure how much the amp flex has to do with it, but it is definitely more springy than the already springy 2S Pro. I tend to skate with a more powerful stride and I feel the Mach is an improvement. I like them more every time I use them. I guess it comes down to whether you want to spend a little more to try the Mach.
Thanks. Is there much difference feature-wise between the ultrasonics and Mach? Also in terms of customization is there any? I have trouble getting my right foot to fit properly due to it being a bit bigger, having an accessory navicular bone, and bone spur on top.
@@13tcc the amp flex is new on the Mach which isn’t on the ultrasonic but based on this video I’m questioning whether it does anything. You would need to get custom skates from a store that has the my Bauer skate builder. However I have heard that true customs are better with true
Not trying to sass here but it's not exactly like you're a powerhouse skater. Perhaps you aren't the target audience for a cutting edge supreme(power) skate when you don't even extend your strides?
I get your point but I don't think it's valid; Bauer clearly aims for the broader audiences such as junior/senior club players (including rec hockey) that don't necessarily aspire to the NHL or similar levels. What I'm getting at here is that Bauer doesn't market it's products to the NHL players .. sure, the NHL players use Bauer skates, but they're basically marketing placeholders. I'd argue that Justin is in the higher end of the broader audiences as mentioned previously (power and shooting wise), and as such his findings are quite applicable. However, I'm basing this on a very limited experience with US and CA clubs and leagues so it might be I'm completely off.
@@andersborum9267 I’m with you in terms of audience. Bauer does market towards the gear “whores” a bit. The gear geek, the kid who pushes his parents for the “best” high end skates. So I’m trying to say to the beer league, rec hockey, parent that their kids are pushing these skates, is there really a performance gain here over the more traditional M5? I’m leaning no
@@andersborum9267 I've seen plenty of marketing material from Bauer telling people that aren't great skaters that they don't need to buy the top of the line skates, because the features aren't there for them. I'm not going to dog shit ole boy when we're on his channel, but this video shows clearly that he's not a strong skater, and I believe I've heard him admit it in other videos, although I'll also admit I'm new here.
Oh for sure this channel all about fun and feedback. I’ve never been trained as a skater and started As an adult so won’t be saying I’m a skater just linear speed. But I will say I felt the hyperlites and they made a difference so I’m finding the idea of flex with standard Eyelets maybe more gimmick than fact is all
I have to ccm lace lock thing on my nexus 2n which adds a tiny amount of weight but gives you the most forward flex than any other options I know of edit:it gives better flex than the hyperlite flex
you put it on the third or fourth down from the top eyelets so you can tie the bottom part of the skate and tie the top part really loose so you get absurd foward flex but you have to buy some parts to put it on (im going to make a youtube video on this when i get some time)
now im using (and i have to cuz my ribcor 6k is too heavy) the ultrasonics, the those dont really fit me but as i said i have to. i like nexus/ribcor skates better than vapor/ft supreme/super tacks
I haven’t since I usually go with the next Bauer release. Kinda started with x60 and then just switched between Vapor and surpreme each each. Since I only keep them one year I never went down that rabbit hole. Yet ;)
Guys just so you no when ur skating your not really flexing the boot that’s not really possible all this stuff about boot flex and energy return it’s bullshit yur rly flexing the tongue. And if you can flex the boot this guy wouldn’t be able to. worry about your skating before you worry about the skate
Unfortunately you are completely incorrect. Have a look at players that keep there skates for long periods of time. They will have a BOOT crease across the middle where they have been flexing the BOOT. Top end skates have tried to mitigate this by building products that do this intentionally now so you don’t have a break down of that area. Lower end skates are worse for this since they aren’t as stiff especially older skates. Check out any beer league room and you will find countless skates with this crease and flex area.
Bauer vapor hyperlites or the machs? I’m torn. I currently have grafs still and have the lean forward style. Im also worried about durability. Or machs vs the m5 pros? Im trying to think will I even see much of a difference. I would probably have to not lace the top eyelet with the m5 pros. Thanks!
I prefer the hyperlite’s because I feel like they just have so much comfort and agility and they don’t feel like anything. Not bulky very streamlined skate the mock was great and very comfortable, but I felt like I was on my heels a lot and the hyper lite allowed that Forwad flex. Me personally went back to hyperlite. However the Mach is probably a more durable skate keep in mind
What would you recommend mach or true svh customs they’re both 1200$+ for the price would it not be better to get something made for you if anyone has any info it would be appreciated.
Fit I’ve heard is great on the trues customs but I put them on and they are clunky and odd and not what I would call a modern skate feel. My feet feel off in them so I went with Bauer got that reason as the skates are just more modern and stream lined
I have CCM 100k, size 8 tapered, the fit is ok. Length a touch too long (7.5 too small), width good, not enough volume middle of foot bumps out, top of skate by my ankle I have massive amounts of volume. I just got a pair of Mach 7.5 fit 1 on ebay mint condition because this skate is a near perfect fit for my foot. It came with the carbon fiber blade and pulse ti. Going from the step black steel to the bauer blades is horrible. The blacksteel is amazing, the bite and edge hold is superior. When i switch to bauers i feel like im sliding around the ice and I have to work so much harder. I bought a set of Byonic DLC Polished, both blades in one of my Machs has a lot of movement so I did not even try them and sent them back. It really sucks I cant find blacksteel for tuuk anymore. Does anyone recommend any steel that is like blacksteel for tuuk holders? Also great reviews, you have helped me with a few purchases.
Thanks! Can’t help on the black steel but for the love of god do not use the carbon! I had them it broke mid stride and I crashed into the boards. Hopefully you can find some steel for the Tuuk!
@@beerleaguebumhockeyreviews what steel are you rocking and what is your ROH? Apparently Pulse TI is supposed to compete with black steel but my CCMS feel so much better. I spoke to someone and they said the ccm holders are stiffer and I might have to just put ccm holders on the machs
I stuck with stock. I’m more of a straight line fast get to the puck skater as I was never trained as a kid And started as an adult. I’ve thought about trying out a out something new and seeing if it’s different
@@beerleaguebumhockeyreviews I am currently going down the profiling rabbit hole. It is interesting messing with the different radius and balance points. I feel like it is as important as the stick and skate comments you have made previously. It is cheap too.
@@umamidaddy7243 for me, I’m having a hard time understanding how the middle of a skate blade can be changed and profiled since it’s on one plane. I get the front and back changing the plane. I need to deep dive more into it to understand it better so don’t have any experience with it so can’t give any feedback. All I know is to much toe or heel I would pick and catch the ice so I always made sure I shaved those areas.
Prosharp Ellipse profile is a massive upgrade. I used it one season now and my skating was so much better, especially on sharp turns and transitions. I love it
These new skates are seriously garbage. The new tongues they make are for stand up straight leg players. If your a low skating agile player like me in which there are not many you must change the tongues on these new skates. This guy is very much a stand up straight leg player so he might be at advantage with these skates.
@@markwhite6719 thanks usually I’m just a forward fast guy trained as an adult so don’t have “technique” just north south type can usually out skate defenders. The Mach was a comfy skate just felt to traditional and upright
As always very informative. The channel is getting big. Way to go bro!
ThaNks Mikey!
I have to say I believe you are spot on. While I love the comfort and the look of these I feel the Amp Flex is a gimmick. I tuck my tongue under and feel no difference. But otherwise they fit me great and have been protective. Before I forget, I do like the tendon guard a lot.
I like the tendon guard as well.
The skate is solid I just feel this feature is another under developed thing. One person said they should have put multiples of it and probably would have been better
Those machs are the best looking skates out there
They are sweet looki h
I skated with a guy yesterday who just got the M5 Pro's and he said he loves them so far. I think that's the direction I will go. I currently have a old 2018 Bauer Nexus Freeze Pro skates so it will be a huge upgrade for me. Thanks for the video and keep it up!
That will be a super nice upgrade. Definitely give us an update if you get em and your thoughts
@@beerleaguebumhockeyreviews Will do!
@@Thedonron12were the m5 pros good?
I ended up getting the M4's at the time and they were great skates! I am now in True TF9's and love them as well. @@nathanh1949
you're 1000% right about the eyelets. the Hyperlite injected eyelets that have the flex zones. i wish they brought that down into the lower price points.
Yah guess they need something for the top end justification unfortunately.
Thanks for posting this video as it made my choice much easier in July when I was torn between the Mach and M5 Pro. I really loved the all black look of the Machs, but the amp flex feature and the 5% weight reduction just couldn't convince me or justify spending an additional $300.00. I finally settled on the M5 Pros fitted with the LS Pulse Titanium runner and I love them. Been skating with these puppies for the last 8 weeks and they feel like my old 1S skates from 2016. Great support and very responsive with every stride. Since I do not lace up to the top; leaving the top 2 eyelets open, the amp flex feature is something I wouldn't have been able to fully utilize because of my lacing style.
Glad to hear, thanks for checking out the vid
I tried em all Bum...and gimmick aside, these were hands down the most comfortable and felt like rocketships on the ice!
Very comfortable! Really great skates. The amp flex just a bit gimmicky is all
I got the Mach's with PulseTi for my son for US$ 660 during a discount.
Could have bought the M5PRO during same time with same discount (25%) but we went for the Mach, hope we did the right with this discount.
He say that it feels really great from start now so that's good.
For that discount best to go Mach. Very good deal
Love the content here but, wouldn’t it be more of an accurate comparison amongst the Supreme line say, MACH vs Ultra Sonic in (forward flexion) than Supreme vs Vapor… just a thought, again love the full disclosure here… great to see content that takes you behind the curtain.
Respect ✊🏽
Yeah, I’m more just saying is the amp really anything at all. Over the ultrasonic probably isn’t even a change and more a gimmick. Appreciate it and thanks for feedback
Looking forward to my Mach's going to go with P.TI . Coming from a 2016 version of the V.X900 . I wanted to treat myself, I think the Amp flex only engages in certain situations which is what you want. HL and Mach cater to different styles of players.
Definitely a great upgrade there. The Mach comfort I found couldn’t be beat
That hockey rink looks really small. Thank you for all your reviews!
It’s a training rink.
Makes it more affordable to rent ice.
I was so hyped to see the Machs...and then I saw the price. It's just not worth it for recreational skaters like myself
I've seen people from our country's national team play with it and it didn't look as impressive as I thought
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the skates! It really changed my view of the prices of skates
Glad! I’m switching to my hyperlite again after I’m done with Mach testing as it’s just a better skate for me. However overall as I mention the lower skates will be much better the amp is just a gimmick
Love the videos and I just got A new twig I think you should review. It’s the hockeystickman pro blackout. I think it’s pretty good and feels high end for $100.
Nice! Yeah I’ve been asked a few times
To check it out. I will
At some
Point
So, told you I would get back to you on my new skate escapade...I literally tried on EVERYTHING. The only thing I could not try on was the FT4...which bummed me out a bit...but whatever.
I tried:
1) TACKS AS-V (strange feeling footbed and replacement tongue lugs I could feel on the top of my foot...annoying)
2) HYPERLITES Fit 1(tongue dug into inner ankle bones, had little to no tendon guard flex and were strangely uncomfortable as it gave me a weird pinch point at the back of my ankles, yet... roomy)...I know, weird...
3) M5 PRO Fit 1 (great fit and felt great right out of the box and really liked the flex of the tendon guard )
4) 3X PRO (felt better than the Hyperlites...probably because of the felt vs the Hyperlite-shaped tongue...but did not feel quite right yet as they felt really overly stiff as well...toe box was too roomy and I prefer a closer fit up there)
5) MACH (felt amazingly comfortable at a Fit 1 as I am usually a D width in just about every skate...so this was surprising as well. They didnt have the exact size I needed either in that...more on that later)
6) RIBCOR 100K (felt really comfortable as well out of the box...but they didn't have the right size for me...kind of bummed me out...but I digress)...
Conclusion: I had to go to the Scottsdale shop which was a bit further drive just to try on the MACH and Ribcor and FT4 in my size...but am glad I drove the extra half hour. Between all of them the MACH were by far the most comfortable skate I've put my foot into...right out of the box...big toe just feathers the end of the toe cap, width was at Fit 1, alarmingly pleasing to my foot, the tendon guard flex feels great on initial push off...it really allows my foot and ankle to move the way I prefer, the pro liner and pro padding foam were a step up in comfort factor over the M5 PRO as well...I was going to buy the M5 PRO...but realized something...in the last several years...sizing has changed...I am able to very comfortably I might add able to wear a Bauer size 6...which is an man-card-carrying, destroying INTERMEDIATE skate now... WTH??!! Well, I can tell you that as soon as I knew that data point...I opted for the MACHs. I hit up a public skate session after buying them...but before having them baked...and my feet...never really ached at all...a FIRST...as soon as the session was over...I went back to the pro shop and had em baked...HOLY. HELL! Simply amazeballs. Saved enough money that I snagged a pair of pro stock mitts for the upcoming season. He shoots he SCORES!! Cheers!!
$859.99 (intermediate) USD vs. $1100.00
Wow what a shop! Well done. As-v I went to get this weekend and man I just couldn’t. I hated them. So bulky and couldn’t get the weird feelings on my feet to go away. I opted out and unfortunately won’t be reviewing them. The Mach was amazing out of the box. The fit and comfort was second to none. And it’s a traditional feeling skate. From that perspective you can’t argue you need the skate to feel good. Bauer did well there. The amp I think it’s a gimmick but doesn’t mean the skate doesn’t perform.
Glad you got one that works and feels amazing. Cheers on the update
@@beerleaguebumhockeyreviews I agree.. the footbed had a weird hump in between the toes and foot...like a roll or something...and they WERE wide and clunky. I wanted to like them...coming from my 8 year old top tier Tacks...but they did not feel as comfy as the old Tacks...and didn't come close to the Mach. I agree...the amp flex I don't think really is all its cracked up to be...but in terms of the overall fit and feel on the ice today...they couldn't be denied. Keep up the good work Bum!
@@GeoffSweet yah I stood up and was like wtf is this pressure point that isn’t something I can work with and then I put them on with a hyperlite for me ( my fab skate ) and was like shit I can’t buy em. So ended up with brand new hyperlites for now I guess until next year when ft6 or new Vapor’s come. Machs were great and amazing but I needed to return to my originals
@@beerleaguebumhockeyreviews I wanted to love the Hyperlites...I truly did...I've had a pic on my laptop for 2 months...staring at em...because I haven't had the time to drive 2 hours north to Phoenix. But I'll be damned if it wasn't disappointing as shit. They were actually the first set I crossed off. Different feet need different things.
@@GeoffSweet oh for sure skates harder than sticks to find “the one”
I was trying these and the hyperlites on the other day and gotta day your spot on. I could lace the hyperlites all the way to the top and have them tight and still get more forward flex,that being said I was getting ankle discomfort and went with the machs purely for comfort. They are way stiffer in the upper portion as far as forward flex goes, but I can always leave the top eyelet untied and just loosen the laces in that upper portion.
For comfort they were great!
Had the M5 Pros for about 3 weeks and just returned them and actually went custom Machs. I’m a Fit 3 and I’m probably at the top end of that, personally I needed/wanted the extra comfort so I went for everything I could get.
Machs comfort was next level
Might be a bit late to the party here to get a reply 😅, but would you say the M5 Pros and Machs had the same liners / padding inside or what would be the difference. Was the reason you went custom Mach over M5 Pro just for width or a mix of that and other (e.g., say you preferred the Mach tongue or somthing).
@@retiredhamster7003 the Machs were my third skate in about 2 years that fit okay not great. I kept having very uncomfortable pressure points so I wanted the custom option of the padding being added to my specific foot.
I’m not trying to crap on Bauer but……..LOL
I’m about to pick these up for my kid instead of the M5 pro.
The only think I will say is that maybe someone who plays at higher level and skates more often will feel the amp flex difference.
Either way blacked out skate looks fire, so worth the extra cost anyway.
Thanks for the review!!!
Probably the best looking skate currently, I ended up selling these as I just fit better with the hyperlite. Now the hyperlite 2. However from comfort and out of box feel these were amazing. I have an early impressions video on then as well. This was just the amp flex
I’ve been in Vapor Skates since 2009 in my Varsity High School days. Looking at getting some new wheels, do you have trouble switching between supreme and vapor skates? I love the new supreme lineup but worry it would be a huge adjustment as far as boot pitch with them. Would you recommend staying in what your “used to”? Or are they both “great”? Great review and channel! Love your videos!
I had trouble adjusting and am back in my Vapor’s for that same reason is pitch. I felt I was on my heels in the Machs. If something works extremely well and your comfortable I would stay. As a lateral move from skate to skate wouldn’t make much of a difference. Now if your Vapor’s are very old then it’s a different story the upgrade may work well
@@beerleaguebumhockeyreviews I appreciate the input!! I’m currently in x5.0’s (middle of the road skates in the original APX line) and they are great, but it’s probably time I retire them. I feel like I just need to try on supremes and vapors to see what it’s like. Vapors are all I’ve played in, I’m just wondering if supremes would help my stride. (I’m big dude with long legs, 6’2 230, was always a 2-way defensemen with a long stride for sprint speed). Thanks again for your input!
@@SeanGolf also depends if you are going to go up a Tier of skate as well. The m5 a friend of mine has and says they are amazing as well so don’t need to go full Mach if on a budget
Just bought m5pro with titanium pulse edges upgrade. moved from the vapor x600 with ls5 pulse. next week our rink should be open so i will Give it a try but cant wait :)
Yeah would love to hear how you like them
@@beerleaguebumhockeyreviews Finally i had an opportunity to spend few hours on ice with Supreme M5 pro and I can share my thoughts, comparing them with old school vapor x600 budget skates with LS5 blades. I can tell you that... there is not so much difference as I would expected. Maybe, because I couldn’t get used to TI blades and I have switched them back to my LS5??? of course M5 have better ankle support, and are stiffer but overall performance gain is not so big, at least at my level. What really matters is much better puck protection. I was hit 2 times in front through tongue and of course I could feel it but I could also continue my shift. In x600, after such a hit, I would spend rest of a game on bench ( I like to skate with tongue out) Another big difference is forward flex which was quite consistent during the game. I didn’t have to retighten them which was quite common in case of x600. I also like asymmetric toe box an really recommend baking in pro shop and not in home owen. In my case, baking made huge difference because, out of the box, these skates were very narrow at toe and now, they are almost as comfortable as my 6 years old x600 :) so I really recommend these skates but please keep in mind that these skates will not make you a better skater out of the box ;) sorry for my grammar but English is not my native language.
@@Olosann sounds like overall a good experience though and yes protection is much better in these higher end skates especially the tongue. Good stuff!!
What a helpful video, thank you.
Thanks for checking it out
Great video, just wonderin if the Supreme UltraSonics are still available, would u recommend that over the new M5s?
I know the toe cap is 2mm wider with the new lines up (to that of the ultrasonics) and thats importabt for people with wilder feet around thr pinky bone area.
Thanks!
I would recommend the ultrasonic over the m5 if you can find it. Really nice skate.
Personally I can't recommend new top of the line skates to really anyone who isn't getting them for free, unless they are on clearance or used.
Like what you said, it would be better for people to get the M5 Pro instead of the Mach, but I think that it would be best for people to look for 3S Pros and Ultrasonics on clearance first as the 4 of them are all 98% the same skate. Also considering the AS3s and AS3 Pros would be a good idea.
For sure. Curious how much stock is left of the surpreme line from last year around
@@beerleaguebumhockeyreviews I just checked an my LHS (CTS) is completely sold out of Fit 2 and Fit 3 Ultrasonics, but has Fit 1 in every size. They didn't carry 3S Pros.
Edit: And SportChek has 3S Pros in stock but not on sale.
@@louiefriesen yah soon as new model stock blows out since so cheap
This is a good option for some but the machs toe cap is a couple mm wider and will fit way better for most ppl including myself. I'm always looking for a deal but a fit 2 3s pro caused rubbing on the outside of my big and pinky toe whereas a fit 1 mach didn't. I would've for sure gone for the 3s pros that are half the price of the machs it thru fit me
Great info. I just bought the hyperlites, and it feels like there is a ton of room in the forward part of my boot. I happened to just slip the Supreme Mach and with out lacing it up, it felt like the Mach was more snug. Did you feel the hyperlite was a bit more rommier? I am thinking of going to the Mach now as the fit felt better. Last question, which skate had the better or least break in period?
Yes hyperlite is has more room in back in the hyper now and the Mach was tighter. Both had same break in though which is nothing. One game basically and you’re good
@@beedee8523 fit super important
Do yourself a favour and grab the Asv pros if you want a high end power skater still skate. Bauer just keeps throwing cheap gimmicks out to keep up and are falling short. Great video man and good call out
It’s my next purchase! I would have had em already first since I have never had a ccm skate, and was super curious but the holder issue pushed it back so will wait for the hockey shop to get em back with the correct holders and I’ll be all over it
I am getting ready to buy new skates and I have always been a traditional Vapor guy, but I interested in learning about the durability of the Machs vs the Hyperlite. I saw the Hyperlite durability didn't seem to hold up. What has your experience been with the Machs in regards to durability (cosmetically and protection) ?
The Machs are more durable and more
Protective than the hyperlite. The hyperlite is like a slipper built for agility and stream lined. Not protection and durability is lacking
@@beerleaguebumhockeyreviews just got word on the HyperLite 2’s coming in July. Just gonna wait for those
@@JosephGarrigan yeah I saw the leaked pic looks nice new holder
Was recently custom fit for the Mach , and when the skate was first laced up for me after baking it was clear that the Amp Flex WAS in fact visibly crimping/ flexing.
@@anthonydefalco4205how’s the fit on the custom vs retail?
Had the Hyperlites and couldn't stand the forward flex and upper wasn't as stiff as previous Vapors. Sold them and definitely looking at these and FT4 Pros.
Guess it’s all what works for your game these would prob work well for you
7.5 fit 3, I just noticed, I think that'd be my size. Do you have a wide forefoot? I'm in ccm super tacks right now, I have to skip an eyelet in the middle and have them super loose. I wear supreme goalie skates in 7.5EE, they're pretty comfortable (but obviously I skate a lot less as a goalie).
I had to go wide and volume due to rheumatoid arthritis in my feet is extremely painful. So need to have some space.
Hey skaters!!! A tip if you want that “extra flexion” when your taking strides is to just leave the top eyelet unlaced!!!! If you tie your skates tight enough (which you should) all this will do is make you bend your shin/ankle a little more. Try it out!!! I promise it’s works and won’t compromise anything!!!
Thanks yes heard a lot about this. Probably works well for top skaters but would be a bit sketch for someone who doesn’t have best ankle strength so just be careful we are beer league bums here after all lol
@Average Canadian I prefer the big forward flex in my skates as well
My top lace is always loose
@Average Canadian unfortunately probably not just because skates are big $$ so I stick with 1-2 pairs a year. With new hyperlite 2 and ft6pro coming that’s probably where I will spend my money
The real question is whether this skate offers improved forward flexion over the prior Ultrasonics. I've been skating in the Machs since around the July 4th weekend and I love them. I'm able to drop down to 3/4" ROH, and even that feels sharp. I really fly in these skates. Have had the Hyperlites as well and I could barely use a 5/8 ROH in those, though that might've been more of a fitment issue.
Bottom line, if you're the type of person that needs to drop an eyelet in the Hyperlite, eg, then you're just in the wrong boot. I think the Mach's are a better option in that case, as I struggled with the same thing (dropping an eyelet vs not). And in beer league, no less, where that sort of a thing is a total energy leak. Maybe a dozen skaters in the world can get away with dropping an eyelet and not suffer performance degradation. I'm not one of them and never will be.
The skate is excellent and holds a more traditional feel to me
Over the hyperlite which has the eyelets and slits. But overall
A tiny sliver and the way the amp flex feels I don’t think it does anything over the ultrasonic. However it’s tongue and small weight improvement is great
@@beerleaguebumhockeyreviews I haven't skated on any prior Supreme-line skate, so I couldn't say. I will say that the same thing can be achieved, however, by simply skipping the second-to-last eyelet.
@@Pau1ywog5 yah I guess they trying to accomplish just that by giving that flex with all
Laced
Would be cool if you could review the ccm as v pro skates
It’s coming ;)
CAnt wait
@@Thomas-us7gx yah keep bugging the store to tell me they have arrived!
How is the fit system? Can you go from say an 8 fit2 Vapor to an 8 fit2 supreme? I’m wearing old apxs, no problem. Just broken down. So I thought vapors would be the go to skate. But the supreme fits my foot so much better. The m5 pro is super comfortable just walking around in store
Fit 3 for hyperlite and Mach was the same feeling for me
Best to try it on since the mach increased tow cap width vs ultrasonics. But the ultrasonics were more narrow than the hyperlites too at the forefoot
I’d say 90% of products today are gimmicks! If they add “pro” or “technology” in the name of things it’s 90% sales tactic and 10% legit
You’re prob so right. Unfortunately more
I use more I think they missed it with that one, great skate but the amp flex itself is meh
The worst part about the MACH skates (and the Supreme line) in my opinion is the flexible tendon guard. It makes the skate unstable for me and unusable in game... it's more of a practice skate if you ask me. I can skate better in my 10 year old Vapor 40s without even tying them up because the fixed tendon guard gives me way more stability when changing direction quickly. I had the MACH's and traded them in for Vapor Shift Pros ($500 cheaper) because they had a stiffer tendon guard (although still not as stiff as my Vapor 40's)
Oh wow not many will
Trade down in skates. But goes to show you some
Features do not work for some at all!
i think you’re missing the point of the amp flex. the supreme line has a stiff ankle and soft boot. the amp flex is an attempt to make a stiff ankle have a little more forward motion. hyperlite is a soft ankle and stiff boot.
Theory is good just didn’t see the actual on ice transition. The boot was very traditional feeling and a great fit. Just felt a bit clunky and upright in comparison to the hyperlite.
@@beerleaguebumhockeyreviews you must be a good skater who can use both skates. i know a lot of guys who can’t use hyperlites because of how the ankle flexes outwards in strides.
@@Im-ru1nw I liked the Mach but felt I was “off” if that makes sense in them. Even though team mates said I looked good and skated well. Sometimes skates are just a feel thing which sucks cause I wanted to stay in them for comfort. I went back to hyperlite and was better with the forward flex. I’m now I’m hyperlite 2 and prefer the OG and mach over those so who knows skates are crazy subjective
@@beerleaguebumhockeyreviews i had hyperlites and just got the hyperlite2s. i’m probably gonna sell and get a pair of machs. i just feel like my strides are off with how my ankle flexes inwards in strides and i know a lot of guys who has that problem. i did feel like my original hyperlites felt better than the new ones. maybe it’s because i was used to them but something feels off a bit.
@@beerleaguebumhockeyreviews do you feel like the fit 3 vapor and fit 3 supreme fit the same? i have fit 2 vapor but i’m not sure if i should go fit 1 mach because supremes start off a little wider
Wish they'd bring back Bauer Flexlites, all the new skates are way too stiff for me. I can't quite believe that the amp flex actually does much.
It doesn’t no, I know they need a less stiff skate for sure
I just had to replace a 1999 vintage Tacks 1052 custom pro lites. Tried on CCM AS-V and felt sloppy in their ankle cut, Jetspeed was the same. Put a Mach and M5-Pro on each foot.... felt like what I'm used to, a stiff skate with higher ankle support. Both felt good in the boot, but the stiffer tongue in the Mach sold me. The M5Pro was too floppy and felt like I could flex too far out of the skate (granted I'm 6'1" & 230). I torque skates as tight as I can and I flex them hard. Didn't like the sticker of the mach, but felt more connected in them. Hopefully they get me another 20 years 😄.
That’s a long time
To have some skates. Let me know in 20 years how they held up hah
@@beerleaguebumhockeyreviews 1 year h.s., 4 years of college intramural, lots of outdoor rink play, off and on old man league play. A cracked blade holder is what did them in at the end. 🤭
@@mikaelc5539 still crazy time line
How are those new skates holding up? I'm replacing a similarly aged skate for the first time, but I'm opting for the Hyperlite
I know why the amp flex is so tiny, it’s because they don’t want to displace the eyelets, they should have put more of the amp flex things between eyelets. The vapor 3x skates has the flex thing that does flex but it displaces two eyelets on each skates
Good point more maybe have made far more sense
For some reason the M5 Pro and Mach Fit slightly different where the toe box meets the boot. I have issues with my feet and have tried various sizes and Fit (1/2/3). The Mach's seem to have a smoother profile inside the boot compared to the M5pro so much I can drop from Fit 3 to Fit 2 with the Machs without crushing my pinky toe.
That’s crazy really shouldn’t but why it’s important to fit skates no matter what
Yep I actually went to another store and tried the exact same fit/size/skates and had the same problem with the M5pro the only explanation the guys had was maybe Bauer used a slightly different mold for the 12K weave on the Machs@@beerleaguebumhockeyreviews
@@Death-of-rats seems plausible. I wouldn’t think the same line release would have different fit but there ya go! I’ve noticed diff fit between hyper lite 2 and originals as well.
Nice Video. This notch is not new. Bauer already used it 15 years ago in the Vapor Line (XXX and lower).
And there it worked. This 3D composite curve skates are really stiff in most areas. So you have two options. Let the skate flex in the forefoot area and/or in the ankle area.
I think its not a big upgrade at all.
Your skating style is not very deep and powerskating like. On deep strides it might maybe be helpful, but its not a gamechanging feature at all
appreciate that feedback. yeah I should get out for some power skating and work at it as well. Im fast enough so never seems to matter lol I didnt know that on the old vapor line, who knew!
I have still a pair of Vapor XX here. Great skates long time ago.
@@mircomelischko4785 no way impressive you still have them
Have you had a chance to try the ft4 pros?
I also heard the amp flex is designed for a tucked in skater, something to do with pressure the tongue applies. Can you confirm this? Or is it all rumours?
I didnt no, going for as-v pro next just waiting for them to arrive at the stores. The way the amp flex is designed is to basically crimp on top of itself from what i can tell, so I could see you would really have to be on top of your boot to do so due to the stiffness. The recoil of the eyelets though in my opinion dont seem to do anything like the hyperlites do. Hence why i think for a traditional skate the m5pro would fit the same purpose at a much cheaper price point
I haven’t tried the ft4 pros but did skate with the ft4. I really liked them and they felt the way they were advertised. I ultimately went with Ribcore customs because I have kind of a low volume foot that is wide at the balls of my feet. Comparison between the two, ft4 were slightly stiffer so I felt faster on straight aways and quicker coming out of turns. Ribcore allows for more margin for error because of the flex. I can change direction easier and not feel like I’m going to fall. Now I have a pair of size 7 ft4 skates with ten games on them and they are just collecting dust. Lol
@@lightbulb002 I feel you I have so much gear lying around and it’s gonna get worse as I test and release vids. What matters is you got what works now!
If it ain't broke......sounds like you need to revert back to the Hyperlites or even "downgrade" to the M5 Pro's. I think Bauer (and CCM) have 90 day warranties on their skates and you can simply state "performance degradation" to justify a refund or credit towards another skate.
Luckily the purchase will be a write off down the line for taxes, since UA-cam will be a business so I’ll keep ‘em. Plus I like to see how long skates actually last for durability testing and how much game damage they will take. Overall just doesn’t seem to add anything to the skate. With traditional eyelets they tried something different but I’m just not seeing it.
@@beerleaguebumhockeyreviews didn't think that having new eyelets would impact your ability to skate but then again, flex on the skate is extremely important. I can't imagine how annoying that must be when you're trying to turn on a dime or make abrupt stops. Thanks again for the update Justin - save a lot of bacon for us plain folks! lol
Definitely noticed it after the comfort and break in excellence in these skates. I’ll see if it breaks in or softens as I go
Skates look gorgeous but the price! $900 still seems way too high.
Always depends what’s important for the game and level. Skates one of few things worth spending the big bucks on
Do you plan on trying out the new Tacks AS-V pro skates?
Yep waiting for them to arrive in my local store
I’m sure Bauer skates are decent, but they don’t half have a lot of gimmicks. The strips across the tongue that they claim give more power is a perfect example. Then there is the injected facings, which worked really well for getting a tight lacing. But my Trues don’t need to have tight laces, so the traditional eyelets are just as good. In fact they are better because they allow the skate to provide a better foot wrap. They have fancy names for the toe caps, with grandiose claims about their effectiveness, but there is a nasty join inside the skate between the toe cap and the shell which gave me bunions. They boast about the carbon curve shell and heat moulding, but in reality they hardly move during heat moulding. I reckon the truth is that they have few real innovations, most of the features are marketing nonsense. My Bauer S2 Pro customs were very durable, I’m not convinced my Trues are. But the Trues provide me with far more ankle support, so my tight turns are better, and for reasons I don’t understand, the overall performance is far higher. Edge drills that were hard in the Bauers are easy in the Trues. It might be because they provide a better fit to the foot, with less distance between opposing facings. Plus I can wear stock Trues, they are incredibly thermoformable, and far more comfortable than stock Bauers. I hate my Bauer 2.9X Vapor inlines. They are painful. I’m not saying True skates are better, just that they work better for me. Bauer in my opinion need to innovate.
Bauer skates are designed to be stream lined. They feel light; small, and agile. Ccm, and true feel bulky and heavy to me. But Bauer needs to exploit that as opposed to putting gimmicks on their skates that do nothing. The amp flex was a silly gimmick that added cost to the top end skate that wasn’t needed. Of all the things Bauer has done on skates. Injected eyelets, amp flex: tongue inserts, tendon inserts, speed plates, etc the injected eyelets are 1/20 that make sense and work
@@beerleaguebumhockeyreviews I weighed my TF9 and Bauer 2S Pro custom without insoles, the TF9 weighs 60g more, but it has a new blade, the Bauer has a nearly exhausted blade, so in reality they have almost the same weight. My TF9 is far more agile, on my feet. I was really disappointed in my Bauers when I moved to TF9, the improvement in edge control, stability and agility shocked me. For example I can do really nice powerpulls in the Trues, I can’t in the Bauers, and in the Trues I can get much deeper edges doing crossrolls. I don’t think this is true (no pun intended) for everyone, maybe not for most people. I think what I am seeing is that I have feet that don’t suit Bauers, even customs. I have ducks feet with very narrow leg bones. Stock Bauers are painful, I hate my 2.9X inlines. The customs are the same shape as stock skates, just sized to each foot in 1/4 size increments, with a bit of heat+pressure moulding. I think they filled the ankle of my skate with foam padding to bulk it out, which means there is inadequate support, hence they lack control and precision. In other words, I’m not contradicting your review, your Bauers may well be fantastic on your feet. But the performance depends on the feet inside, as well as the skating ability. As for gimmicks, you can’t blame them, they have to sell product, and if a Turbotongue, Gigashell and Megaeyelets help sales, so be it.
@@StillAliveAndKicking_ yep great points. In my hyperlite 2 skate review I just posted a couple weeks ago I discuss how fit is king because my hyperlite 2 don’t fit well and gives me a lot of issues. It’s important skates work for your feet
@@beerleaguebumhockeyreviews Yes, and I naively assumed customs would fit well.
@@StillAliveAndKicking_ appreciate the comment nice insight
Been rocking the 2S Pros for a while and thinking to upgrade. Are these any different than the Ultrasonics?
I would go ultrasonic for cost or m5pro
I recently purchased the Mach and had the 2S Pro before. I think there is a noticeable difference with this new tongue. I'm not sure how much the amp flex has to do with it, but it is definitely more springy than the already springy 2S Pro. I tend to skate with a more powerful stride and I feel the Mach is an improvement. I like them more every time I use them. I guess it comes down to whether you want to spend a little more to try the Mach.
The Mach tongue is excellent.
Especially over the 2spro
Thanks. Is there much difference feature-wise between the ultrasonics and Mach? Also in terms of customization is there any? I have trouble getting my right foot to fit properly due to it being a bit bigger, having an accessory navicular bone, and bone spur on top.
@@13tcc the amp flex is new on the Mach which isn’t on the ultrasonic but based on this video I’m questioning whether it does anything.
You would need to get custom skates from a store that has the my Bauer skate builder. However I have heard that true customs are better with true
You skate pretty upright.... wonder if a lower deeper skater would feel the difference?
I feel it in the hyperlite much more. Most people have said that it really isn’t noticeable. With that said the rest of the skate is solid
Not trying to sass here but it's not exactly like you're a powerhouse skater. Perhaps you aren't the target audience for a cutting edge supreme(power) skate when you don't even extend your strides?
Could be. Perhaps the hyperlite is better fit
I get your point but I don't think it's valid; Bauer clearly aims for the broader audiences such as junior/senior club players (including rec hockey) that don't necessarily aspire to the NHL or similar levels. What I'm getting at here is that Bauer doesn't market it's products to the NHL players .. sure, the NHL players use Bauer skates, but they're basically marketing placeholders. I'd argue that Justin is in the higher end of the broader audiences as mentioned previously (power and shooting wise), and as such his findings are quite applicable.
However, I'm basing this on a very limited experience with US and CA clubs and leagues so it might be I'm completely off.
@@andersborum9267 I’m with you in terms of audience. Bauer does market towards the gear “whores” a bit. The gear geek, the kid who pushes his parents for the “best” high end skates.
So I’m trying to say to the beer league, rec hockey, parent that their kids are pushing these skates, is there really a performance gain here over the more traditional M5? I’m leaning no
@@andersborum9267 I've seen plenty of marketing material from Bauer telling people that aren't great skaters that they don't need to buy the top of the line skates, because the features aren't there for them.
I'm not going to dog shit ole boy when we're on his channel, but this video shows clearly that he's not a strong skater, and I believe I've heard him admit it in other videos, although I'll also admit I'm new here.
Oh for sure this channel all about fun and feedback. I’ve never been trained as a skater and started As an adult so won’t be saying I’m a skater just linear speed. But I will say I felt the hyperlites and they made a difference so I’m finding the idea of flex with standard Eyelets maybe more gimmick than fact is all
Skates look good!
They are sexy!
I have to ccm lace lock thing on my nexus 2n which adds a tiny amount of weight but gives you the most forward flex than any other options I know of edit:it gives better flex than the hyperlite flex
Unsure what that is
you put it on the third or fourth down from the top eyelets so you can tie the bottom part of the skate and tie the top part really loose so you get absurd foward flex but you have to buy some parts to put it on (im going to make a youtube video on this when i get some time)
@@DumbOrangeFrog I see you lose ankle stability though ?
no (sorry for late responce i was at hockey school)
@@DumbOrangeFrog ah gotcha
now im using (and i have to cuz my ribcor 6k is too heavy) the ultrasonics, the those dont really fit me but as i said i have to. i like nexus/ribcor skates better than vapor/ft supreme/super tacks
Yeah so subjective eh for skates
I know you got through a lot of skates with how much you are on the ice. Have you ever had a full custom pair of skates?
I haven’t since I usually go with the next Bauer release. Kinda started with x60 and then just switched between Vapor and surpreme each each. Since I only keep them one year I never went down that rabbit hole. Yet ;)
Guys just so you no when ur skating your not really flexing the boot that’s not really possible all this stuff about boot flex and energy return it’s bullshit yur rly flexing the tongue. And if you can flex the boot this guy wouldn’t be able to. worry about your skating before you worry about the skate
Unfortunately you are completely incorrect. Have a look at players that keep there skates for long periods of time. They will have a BOOT crease across the middle where they have been flexing the BOOT. Top end skates have tried to mitigate this by building products that do this intentionally now so you don’t have a break down of that area. Lower end skates are worse for this since they aren’t as stiff especially older skates. Check out any beer league room and you will find countless skates with this crease and flex area.
Bauer vapor hyperlites or the machs? I’m torn. I currently have grafs still and have the lean forward style. Im also worried about durability.
Or machs vs the m5 pros? Im trying to think will I even see much of a difference. I would probably have to not lace the top eyelet with the m5 pros. Thanks!
I prefer the hyperlite’s because I feel like they just have so much comfort and agility and they don’t feel like anything. Not bulky very streamlined skate the mock was great and very comfortable, but I felt like I was on my heels a lot and the hyper lite allowed that Forwad flex. Me personally went back to hyperlite. However the Mach is probably a more durable skate keep in mind
What would you recommend mach or true svh customs they’re both 1200$+ for the price would it not be better to get something made for you if anyone has any info it would be appreciated.
Fit I’ve heard is great on the trues customs but I put them on and they are clunky and odd and not what I would call a modern skate feel. My feet feel off in them so I went with Bauer got that reason as the skates are just more modern and stream lined
I have CCM 100k, size 8 tapered, the fit is ok. Length a touch too long (7.5 too small), width good, not enough volume middle of foot bumps out, top of skate by my ankle I have massive amounts of volume. I just got a pair of Mach 7.5 fit 1 on ebay mint condition because this skate is a near perfect fit for my foot. It came with the carbon fiber blade and pulse ti. Going from the step black steel to the bauer blades is horrible. The blacksteel is amazing, the bite and edge hold is superior. When i switch to bauers i feel like im sliding around the ice and I have to work so much harder. I bought a set of Byonic DLC Polished, both blades in one of my Machs has a lot of movement so I did not even try them and sent them back. It really sucks I cant find blacksteel for tuuk anymore. Does anyone recommend any steel that is like blacksteel for tuuk holders? Also great reviews, you have helped me with a few purchases.
Thanks! Can’t help on the black steel but for the love of god do not use the carbon! I had them it broke mid stride and I crashed into the boards. Hopefully you can find some steel for the Tuuk!
@@beerleaguebumhockeyreviews what steel are you rocking and what is your ROH? Apparently Pulse TI is supposed to compete with black steel but my CCMS feel so much better. I spoke to someone and they said the ccm holders are stiffer and I might have to just put ccm holders on the machs
@@hockeyguy1166 I have pulse ti, I like it but also hVe t tried other steel so I need to and see the difference
Nike quest skates had the best flex. I wish nike didn't get out of the business.
Some classics for sure
Review on True skates?
I’ve thought about it but got sidelined this past year. I will one day just unsure which and when currently
wow the comment I made on the lace lock has the longest thread on this channel
Nice!
Do you profile your skate blades?
I stuck with stock. I’m more of a straight line fast get to the puck skater as I was never trained as a kid
And started as an adult. I’ve thought about trying out a out something new and seeing if it’s different
@@beerleaguebumhockeyreviews I am currently going down the profiling rabbit hole. It is interesting messing with the different radius and balance points. I feel like it is as important as the stick and skate comments you have made previously. It is cheap too.
@@umamidaddy7243 for me, I’m having a hard time understanding how the middle of a skate blade can be changed and profiled since it’s on one plane. I get the front and back changing the plane. I need to deep dive more into it to understand it better so don’t have any experience with it so can’t give any feedback. All I know is to much toe or heel I would pick and catch the ice so I always made sure I shaved those areas.
Prosharp Ellipse profile is a massive upgrade. I used it one season now and my skating was so much better, especially on sharp turns and transitions.
I love it
@@mircomelischko4785 appreciate that I will start diving into it see if I gain some improvements
These new skates are seriously garbage. The new tongues they make are for stand up straight leg players. If your a low skating agile player like me in which there are not many you must change the tongues on these new skates. This guy is very much a stand up straight leg player so he might be at advantage with these skates.
I am back in the hyper lite for that reason I prefer the forward flex on those over the Mach.
@@beerleaguebumhockeyreviews I hear that you're a good skater
@@markwhite6719 thanks usually I’m just a forward fast guy trained as an adult so don’t have “technique” just north south type can usually out skate defenders. The Mach was a comfy skate just felt to traditional and upright
Do you still use this skate?
No sold it, in hyperlite2 right now