Noice. So looking forward to when mine arrives. Community will probably make a guide tube attachment (I know I need to redesign mine and publish the new ones. Planned ahead so they sent me specs). Yea, Palette generally doesn't like autoload. Overloaded would mean that you loaded more then the Palette planned for and thus your colors may/will [seems like it did, but may just be light] be messed up at the start (should correct itself over time though). The end stops are all mag/optical to reduce risk of mechanical failure. I'm glad they still have finger screws for the cover... makes things easier to fix when something goes wrong. Brittle filament is a tough one, when they have splice tuning, they ask you to check that. But looking forward to see the software improve and actually getting to print. Stay awesome.
@@Przemo-c Yes, but it has improved since the first. A big thing that makes P3 different from others is that they're doing less on their own. They have their own slicer, but instead of "you have to go through CANVAS or Chroma" it's now "well, CANVAS will do things for you, but otherwise use P2PP (whom they sent a P3 to ahead of time so they could work on software)" and now stuff like Kiri.moto has native built in support. It's more "there are things to improve, but instead of their limited dev group (IIRC, their entire company is smaller then Prusa's PrusaSlicer team) needing to do a slicer, firmware, post-processing tool, website, etc." it's now "as long as you don't go after those making their own 3rd party tools for it, people will still enjoy it and use it and there's more time for just the firmware and slicer". Bonus is not locking people to their own post-processing tools means I see a greater chance that something like a Prusa XL or various IDEX printers or belt printers will be able to do something with controller color changes rather then "look, I made a 4 color print but 1 of the 4 is a random mode from the Palette". I would be unsurprised to see a 40 color/material print coming from an XL using a 3rd party P2PP or Kiri.moto or whatever comes after then I would to see them have the time to do their own versions. It starts with improving the software that exists and using the best of what's available.
@@rcmaniac25 Sure there's been a lot of progress. But it still seems to encounter far too many issues pertaining to reliability and calibration and as much as I applaud improvements in that direction and features I think it needs much more work on reliability... Much more than on features/number of colours brittle filament for instance is something that is an issue from early days. And it's not only an issue with budget filaments or crazy bends in guide tube. It's a very interesting products and it's great that it supports various printers. The price is well not cheap but isn't too exorbitant as well. I really hope it improves a lot in terms of amount of hassle it creates and how reliably it works. I'm seriously considering purchasing one but what I heat from people using it is while then it gets it right it's impressive but it's not that reliable and I have a friend that spend more time on making it work than it would it would be for him earn to purchase another one. I also don't like the cloud slicer first approach but it's understandable. I have high hopes for it because as you say they are actively working on it but it's the third version and it's still something that hasn't become bulletproof in basic functionality.
@@Przemo-c Interesting you say that. I backed the original when this was a Kickstarter and have owned every version they've produced. I can't say much about the P3 until it arrives, but the P2 has been quite reliable (especially compared to the P1/P+). People don't realize it, but Splice Tuning is basically a must (especially if you mix brands, as I do) and my estimate is it's a cause of 80% of the failures people have with splices. I've never actually used the connected method, always the accessory mode which means that the printer and the Palette don't talk... but people i know who use the connected method have not had "rouge lines" or similar. In short, the basics have been nailed down. It's the software that needs the work. I want failure recovery, I want more control over some events that occur, I want the fan to f*** be off until it's about to splice (mine sits < 3ft from me, so a constantly running fan is annoying. They say it's to cool the electronics, but when multi-filament prints finish, it can easily run for hours more but turns the fan off when there's no my splicing... so I fail to see how they can do that if it's for cooling electronics). Price will forever be complained about but the only systems I've seen cheaper are the Prusa MMU and the Chameleon 3D, and both of these are a bunch of exposed motors and wires with 3D printed mounts and require the host printer to be modified to be functional... so it's not exactly a fair argument IMHO. I'm not a fan of Cloud-first either... but the Palette doesn't need it. It checks for updates, but doesn't "run" off the cloud. Their slicer (CANVAS) does, but you don't need to use it to use the Palette. I've had numerous discussions with their devs and CTO before, they want to fix/improve many things, it's lacking in developer time (especially since they now have a printer to write code for too). They've addressed a lot of issues. P1 worked but had many reliability issues and was really only multi-color. P+ let you do multi-material, but P1/P+ were a ton of mechanical parts that all moved + an external sensor... P2 combined everything into one. But it had many small switches and parts that could break + needed an external controller to allow soft-pings (synchronization methods) and it wasn't super-well maintained AND was underpowered. P2S they did a large power-bump, got more reliable switches, and made nearly everything replaceable. Still, things can and do break and it's not super fast. They do updates to CANVAS practically weekly and know and use P2PP (3rd party post-processor) since they stopped working on Chroma (their original post-processor). P3 improves switches to be basically entirely optical, did a massive speed boost, have somewhat better multi-material support, and combined the external controller so you don't need another external part + they added extra limit switches so there's greater understanding of what's going on internally and the large PTFE buffer means it's a lot less likely to break as it moves through the buffer. Bonus, they purposely switched to standard PTFE instead of the semi-custom stuff they used previously so users don't have to order through them. Progress is being made, and I expect more to continue.
I love the universality aspect of the palette. As a contrast to MMU2 and that you don't need to modify the printer and even if you do it's such a minimal change. And I'm fine with initial tuning it can even take a considerable (but finite) amount of time. But much like with a 3d printer i don't want to have any hassle added with it when it comes to using it for couple of months. I like their general design sleek if you want it but easy to see and fix issues. As for overload from autoload. In connected mode it could possibly do something if you'd specify autoload printer and it sets a bit longer leading filament and if autoload doesn't draw enough it wastes the difference by starting in a purge block by appropriate amount to sync up the change. And brittleness is a hard issue... Post splice annealing would be required and for various materials that would be different and for multi material splices even tougher thing to do. My friend just has a limited selection of filaments that aren't as prone to it. Oddly enough with pla those are one of the cheapest ones on the market
Thanks for this video, it's certainly going to help when my P3P arrives. Around 26:00 you speak of taking off the guide tube and you also mention the Prusa's autoload feature. 1. What part is the guide tube? and 2. Do I need to disable autoload on the Prusa? Or leave it enabled? It looks like it might have worked ok despite autoload being on? Thanks again. :)
Just got my palette and I’m looking forward to getting it set up. Giving me a little trouble getting started, hopefully it’s worth it in the end.
Its been 10 months. How is your Palette looking?
Thanks that is very helpful. By the time mine comes down here hopefully all the bugs will be sorted.
Noice. So looking forward to when mine arrives. Community will probably make a guide tube attachment (I know I need to redesign mine and publish the new ones. Planned ahead so they sent me specs). Yea, Palette generally doesn't like autoload. Overloaded would mean that you loaded more then the Palette planned for and thus your colors may/will [seems like it did, but may just be light] be messed up at the start (should correct itself over time though). The end stops are all mag/optical to reduce risk of mechanical failure. I'm glad they still have finger screws for the cover... makes things easier to fix when something goes wrong. Brittle filament is a tough one, when they have splice tuning, they ask you to check that. But looking forward to see the software improve and actually getting to print.
Stay awesome.
But isn't that the case since first mosaic palette. The firmware/software issues?
@@Przemo-c Yes, but it has improved since the first. A big thing that makes P3 different from others is that they're doing less on their own. They have their own slicer, but instead of "you have to go through CANVAS or Chroma" it's now "well, CANVAS will do things for you, but otherwise use P2PP (whom they sent a P3 to ahead of time so they could work on software)" and now stuff like Kiri.moto has native built in support.
It's more "there are things to improve, but instead of their limited dev group (IIRC, their entire company is smaller then Prusa's PrusaSlicer team) needing to do a slicer, firmware, post-processing tool, website, etc." it's now "as long as you don't go after those making their own 3rd party tools for it, people will still enjoy it and use it and there's more time for just the firmware and slicer". Bonus is not locking people to their own post-processing tools means I see a greater chance that something like a Prusa XL or various IDEX printers or belt printers will be able to do something with controller color changes rather then "look, I made a 4 color print but 1 of the 4 is a random mode from the Palette".
I would be unsurprised to see a 40 color/material print coming from an XL using a 3rd party P2PP or Kiri.moto or whatever comes after then I would to see them have the time to do their own versions.
It starts with improving the software that exists and using the best of what's available.
@@rcmaniac25 Sure there's been a lot of progress. But it still seems to encounter far too many issues pertaining to reliability and calibration and as much as I applaud improvements in that direction and features I think it needs much more work on reliability... Much more than on features/number of colours brittle filament for instance is something that is an issue from early days. And it's not only an issue with budget filaments or crazy bends in guide tube. It's a very interesting products and it's great that it supports various printers. The price is well not cheap but isn't too exorbitant as well. I really hope it improves a lot in terms of amount of hassle it creates and how reliably it works. I'm seriously considering purchasing one but what I heat from people using it is while then it gets it right it's impressive but it's not that reliable and I have a friend that spend more time on making it work than it would it would be for him earn to purchase another one.
I also don't like the cloud slicer first approach but it's understandable. I have high hopes for it because as you say they are actively working on it but it's the third version and it's still something that hasn't become bulletproof in basic functionality.
@@Przemo-c Interesting you say that. I backed the original when this was a Kickstarter and have owned every version they've produced. I can't say much about the P3 until it arrives, but the P2 has been quite reliable (especially compared to the P1/P+). People don't realize it, but Splice Tuning is basically a must (especially if you mix brands, as I do) and my estimate is it's a cause of 80% of the failures people have with splices.
I've never actually used the connected method, always the accessory mode which means that the printer and the Palette don't talk... but people i know who use the connected method have not had "rouge lines" or similar. In short, the basics have been nailed down. It's the software that needs the work. I want failure recovery, I want more control over some events that occur, I want the fan to f*** be off until it's about to splice (mine sits < 3ft from me, so a constantly running fan is annoying. They say it's to cool the electronics, but when multi-filament prints finish, it can easily run for hours more but turns the fan off when there's no my splicing... so I fail to see how they can do that if it's for cooling electronics).
Price will forever be complained about but the only systems I've seen cheaper are the Prusa MMU and the Chameleon 3D, and both of these are a bunch of exposed motors and wires with 3D printed mounts and require the host printer to be modified to be functional... so it's not exactly a fair argument IMHO. I'm not a fan of Cloud-first either... but the Palette doesn't need it. It checks for updates, but doesn't "run" off the cloud. Their slicer (CANVAS) does, but you don't need to use it to use the Palette. I've had numerous discussions with their devs and CTO before, they want to fix/improve many things, it's lacking in developer time (especially since they now have a printer to write code for too).
They've addressed a lot of issues. P1 worked but had many reliability issues and was really only multi-color. P+ let you do multi-material, but P1/P+ were a ton of mechanical parts that all moved + an external sensor... P2 combined everything into one. But it had many small switches and parts that could break + needed an external controller to allow soft-pings (synchronization methods) and it wasn't super-well maintained AND was underpowered. P2S they did a large power-bump, got more reliable switches, and made nearly everything replaceable. Still, things can and do break and it's not super fast. They do updates to CANVAS practically weekly and know and use P2PP (3rd party post-processor) since they stopped working on Chroma (their original post-processor). P3 improves switches to be basically entirely optical, did a massive speed boost, have somewhat better multi-material support, and combined the external controller so you don't need another external part + they added extra limit switches so there's greater understanding of what's going on internally and the large PTFE buffer means it's a lot less likely to break as it moves through the buffer. Bonus, they purposely switched to standard PTFE instead of the semi-custom stuff they used previously so users don't have to order through them. Progress is being made, and I expect more to continue.
I love the universality aspect of the palette. As a contrast to MMU2 and that you don't need to modify the printer and even if you do it's such a minimal change. And I'm fine with initial tuning it can even take a considerable (but finite) amount of time. But much like with a 3d printer i don't want to have any hassle added with it when it comes to using it for couple of months. I like their general design sleek if you want it but easy to see and fix issues. As for overload from autoload. In connected mode it could possibly do something if you'd specify autoload printer and it sets a bit longer leading filament and if autoload doesn't draw enough it wastes the difference by starting in a purge block by appropriate amount to sync up the change.
And brittleness is a hard issue... Post splice annealing would be required and for various materials that would be different and for multi material splices even tougher thing to do. My friend just has a limited selection of filaments that aren't as prone to it. Oddly enough with pla those are one of the cheapest ones on the market
The velcro part I'd consider it's "universal" because of all the different printer hotend setup
P3 Pro has great potential, hardware is there, just need the software gains.
Luckily, they basically now just say "Use PrusaSlicer w/P2PP or CANVAS" aka, the really good slicer and the one they control.
Wasnt it supposed to come with some spare parts since its the pro? Although there isnt really much to swap out anymore I guess.
Can the 3 Pro be mounted upside down with the provided stand?
Thanks for this video, it's certainly going to help when my P3P arrives. Around 26:00 you speak of taking off the guide tube and you also mention the Prusa's autoload feature. 1. What part is the guide tube? and 2. Do I need to disable autoload on the Prusa? Or leave it enabled? It looks like it might have worked ok despite autoload being on? Thanks again. :)
will this work with 100% every printer? will it work with voron 2.4? can't find a defo answer
Good job!
A special thanks to Soundwave for volunteering !!! thanks for the guide Pooch !
Does this work on FLSUN qq-s delta style printers too
no support for klipper yet:((( (connected mode)
I'm working with a Palette 3 Pro on Klipper, so I have to use it in Accessory Mode...
RepBox V4 for 8 Filaments?????? I have the 2.3, thats ok......
Sweet!
Bless you lol!
How do you work with the program to tell which color is which to print?