Torture Toaster on the Palette 3 Pro // Can YOU Do Better?

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  • Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
  • I HAD to 3d print the ‪@TheEdgeofTech‬ #HotMakes / ‪@Clockspring3D‬ Torture Toaster! Printed in 8 ‪@Polymaker‬ #Polyterra PLA colors on the ‪@Prusa3D‬ i3 mk3 using the ‪@MosaicManufacturing‬ Palette 3 Pro!
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 505

  • @tleander40
    @tleander40 3 роки тому +238

    My excitement of multi-color printing is greatly tempered by the amount of wasted PLA in the transfer tower.

    • @edenassos
      @edenassos 3 роки тому +5

      You can cut a hole in it and use it as a box.

    • @StefanReich
      @StefanReich 3 роки тому +21

      Can't you make the 3d printer print something useful where color doesn't matter instead of a transfer tower? Provided you have something in mind.

    • @SleepLessThan3
      @SleepLessThan3 3 роки тому +16

      Or just do the color change in the infill🤷‍♂️

    • @knifeyonline
      @knifeyonline 3 роки тому +7

      @@SleepLessThan3 well you couldn't do that because the wipe tower used more filament than the actual print.

    • @SleepLessThan3
      @SleepLessThan3 3 роки тому +1

      @@knifeyonline maybe it's jut a limitation of splicing filaments, If I'm recalling correctly, the prusa mmu didn't have issues like this.

  • @MrAmirnz
    @MrAmirnz 3 роки тому +19

    Oh man. That “Yeah Toast” took me straight back to high school. Thank you for that

  • @natereinhold6180
    @natereinhold6180 Рік тому

    I've printed a dozen mesh aquarium planters from polymaker polyterra. They've been submerged underwater for 6+months and they still hold up fine.

  • @sdg1
    @sdg1 3 роки тому +7

    I was about to go do dishes but then I got the notification for this video and went "I'll do thAt later this is important"

  • @shawncherchio6067
    @shawncherchio6067 3 роки тому +4

    The difference between the tera PLA and regular was only around 20%
    While that's better, it shows they have some pretty specific organisms that they are using to compost it. Considering the ones in your garden are in such good shape, it seems more like marketing than a useful product if it can't be composted readily at hone.

  • @OverlordShamala
    @OverlordShamala 2 роки тому

    My first 3d printer is a Biqu B1 SE Plus, it past most of the test, including all the angles. No drooping at the angles.👍
    But alas, the clearance test not so much. The 0.2 slid but was pretty tight, 0.1 didn't move at all, it was stuck in place.

  • @DesignTechie
    @DesignTechie 3 роки тому +2

    That transition tower is beautiful I’d love to have it as an art piece 😫

  • @jameslaine2472
    @jameslaine2472 3 роки тому +1

    I'd love to see if it actually breaks down in a common backyard compost bin, as opposed to high-temperature laboratory testing.

  • @troylee4171
    @troylee4171 3 роки тому

    Printing a Cubone with Polyterra White is perfect!

  • @edizkuru5123
    @edizkuru5123 3 роки тому +1

    Yes do it and share the result weekly

  • @_kwak
    @_kwak 3 роки тому

    Compost video yesssss! Side by side, avg garden vs pro compost would also be useful. If you need any pro compost methods, look into indigenous microorganism collection (IMO collection)

  • @michaelbeljaars3556
    @michaelbeljaars3556 3 роки тому

    Don't be mistaken about the compostability. Even though it compost faster than PLA, it still needs industrial composting. It will not compost by just sticking it in the ground, leaving it outside in the weather or even sticking it in a compost pile. I.e. these plastics still pose a environmental problem!

  • @lukehershey6995
    @lukehershey6995 3 роки тому

    Would really like to see how well you can get that toaster tuned in. Maybe get the angles sorted out and have the clips loose at 1mm?

  • @RonFloyd
    @RonFloyd 3 роки тому +1

    Yep - please do a home composting video Joel!
    Thanks.

  • @KelliAmandaHoward
    @KelliAmandaHoward 3 роки тому +1

    Could you do a video of you top (how ever many ) channels for people trying to get into 3d printing and modeling? Obviously your channel is an amazing resource but more couldn't hurt. Also typical home backyard compost video for that filament please love making hobbies more eco-friendly and sustainable

  • @servant74
    @servant74 3 роки тому

    I would love to see a composting test with various PLA filament. Especially in garden environment. If we could find a way to give an 'inoculation' of microorganisms in the back yard compost it would be a winner! But we would need to know how to get and what to do to keep the microorganisms going in a garden.

  • @CaBarry374
    @CaBarry374 3 роки тому

    It would be less likely for the parts printed in different colors to stick together because of the cool down time from transitioning in between putting each color in directly adjacent locations.

  • @Dalenthas
    @Dalenthas 3 роки тому

    I highly suspect that composing figure assumed you ground it to a fine particulate before composting. Just chocking that block into the garden probably won't work too well.

  • @pfff
    @pfff 3 роки тому

    You’d think you could use the purge block to print another model at the same time. Sure it’ll be funky colours, but it’d be so much better than wasting the block. Heck, go ironic, print Lego style bricks using the purge.

  • @samiteee6857
    @samiteee6857 3 роки тому

    The PolyTerra has been a nightmare for me for clogs/flow inconsistency , BUT the matte finish is beautiful and hides it pretty dang well. The white is beautifully sandable. I’m on my 3rd spool and I need 25mm/s maximum, but maybe if I dry them out of the box I’ll get better results (if humidity is the issue. I hear lots of popping)

  • @dakel20
    @dakel20 3 роки тому +1

    Absolutely do a compostability report please!

  • @GleinserMaphet
    @GleinserMaphet 3 роки тому

    Compost sure is a hot topic. I’m more interested in the Pallet 3. What is the time difference in the multi color print? You had several other prints in another video you did but I never heard anything about time. I have to assume all this splicing and transition tower greatly increase the print time but unless I missed it you never mention time. Can you do some comparison times of single color print vs 2,4,6,8 color versions of the same model on the same printer?

  • @adrianbelzer5630
    @adrianbelzer5630 3 роки тому +1

    I literally just noticed your new intro. Love it!

  • @vfxperson4073
    @vfxperson4073 3 роки тому

    3:09 unlocked a memory I forgot I had

  • @psguardian
    @psguardian 3 роки тому

    10:17 That escalated quickly! (I'm cracking up, perfect ref)

  • @pryns
    @pryns 3 роки тому

    This was so satisfying lol, and now I want to make something! Can you try doing the experiment with a plexiglass frame? Planting some type of fruit or mushrooms in it, and leaving a few prints of the material near the bottom of the plexiglass case? After watering the plants and then growing over 3 months (based on the supplier's claims) the prints should be gone. Maybe a few decent sized mini Joels. The soil should lower as well with the container's contents' volume decreasing over time.

  • @rhadiem
    @rhadiem 3 роки тому

    You need to make a multicolor filament grinder for reusing.

  • @joealexandersen5599
    @joealexandersen5599 3 роки тому

    Cool! You should definitely try to compost it and do a comparison between professional and backyard type composters!

  • @ArthurAbram
    @ArthurAbram 3 роки тому

    Please try the compost! I was going to comment on the amount of waste made due to the multi colour print and was going to ask if you have a way to recycle that material back into filament (a company near-by or at home) but compost is not a bad solution!

  • @jawaring4367
    @jawaring4367 3 роки тому

    The compostability is neat, but does the plastic break down on a molecular level, or does it simply put microplastics into the ground?

  • @marcup1584
    @marcup1584 3 роки тому

    Joel, how much does the transition tower weigh? How much does the printed toaster weigh? Just looking at the size doesn't give us as good of an idea as the weight would.

  • @rklauco
    @rklauco 3 роки тому

    PLEASE, do run the compostability test! That would be something that would motivate me to buy the filament and pay premium. If the part survives ~half year while not in compost and then desintegrates in 6 months while in compost, that would be something awesome.

  • @egonheuson
    @egonheuson 3 роки тому

    As a researcher in the field of bioplastics, I can tell you that compostability is more of a marketing issue than a real benefit. In fact, it's a good question that I've been asking myself for some time, and after interviewing other scientists working in the field, it appears that most PLA filaments are compostable (unless they contain toxic additives) due to the nature of the chemical bonds, and provided you have the right strains of micro-organisms available. But the most important parameter is temperature and humidity, which at present do not make any of these plastics compostable by domestic users. They require industrial composters, with higher temperatures/humidity, which are never accessible to domestic users. Therefore, this is pure greenwashing, as at best PLA parts will end up in the recycling bin, and as there is no post-treatment of the plastic in industrial composters, most of the time PLA will end up incinerated or buried. So unless a waste-to-energy plant is set up specifically for PLA, the recyclability of PLA is only relevant to those industries that use it in very large quantities and could set up dedicated waste-to-energy plants. After that, I think it is very good that an effort is made in the direction of the recyclability of plastics, on the contrary, I think it is essential. But the real revolution will be when we can print at home with PLA (or any other plastic) that we can throw in our domestic compost.

    • @3dprintingscience528
      @3dprintingscience528 3 роки тому

      Why the real revolution should be composting at home? Why not composting in a specialized facility? (I mean we dont recycle PET at home right?)

    • @egonheuson
      @egonheuson 3 роки тому

      @@3dprintingscience528 because, again, there is no dedicated recycling chain for PLA in cities. The volume is most probably much too low (for now). PET as it’s own chain as many of the product sold in plastic nowadays are made of it. Therefore, or you drastically increase the use of PLA (which might happen) and create a valorisation chain for it, or you work on its compostability at home :-). In the first case, again most of the PLA available is most probably already ok for industrial composting. Therefore this is more about green washing here :-)

  • @kelliott121
    @kelliott121 3 роки тому

    Is there a way to raise the height of the waste block? It'd be a shame to lose so much printing area for a short model. Obviously the user would have to place the waste block out of tool head range so it didn't get hit.

  • @helge1104
    @helge1104 3 роки тому

    Compost and if some lab can analyse the dirt after just to find i its broken down and not harmfull to the circle of life.
    -That shod give a lot of answers to many Questions like is it gone or broke down as in not harmfull or just an other invisible substans that gives even more of a issue.

  • @JonS
    @JonS 3 роки тому

    Thanks Joel. Entertaining and informative as always. It's interesting to see that Polyterra filament, Just yesterday when looking at Filamentum's site, I saw they too have a new compostable filament called NonOilen (probably sounds better if you're Czech). I'm guessing that they are both using the same resin.

  • @jwk427
    @jwk427 3 роки тому

    Very cool! PLA waste is probably the biggest thing stopping me from playing around with multi-color prints.
    Has Mosaic made progress on putting purge filament to use? For example, the way the Prusa MMU2 lets you print a second model off to the side that doesn't require separated colors instead of a purge tower?

  • @TGFlashera
    @TGFlashera 3 роки тому +1

    Definitely interested in a compost test

  • @NerdyGeeky
    @NerdyGeeky 3 роки тому

    Dude, I enjoyed this! Subbed. As a scientist I would love to see that compostability video :)

  • @powbud
    @powbud Рік тому

    I'm pretty sure the reason for the gears not moving is Prusaslicer. Don't get me wrong, I love Prusaslicer. But for some reason they set the deafault exrution width higher than the nozzle size (0.4) and moving parts don't work unless changed. Cura works fine default. If anyone could tell me the reason they do this, I would be very interested.

  • @cathyomalley2772
    @cathyomalley2772 3 роки тому +1

    Why is the transition tower so big?

  • @drixom9805
    @drixom9805 3 роки тому +1

    Wow that is cool. Have a great day joel

  • @pedroddomingues
    @pedroddomingues 3 роки тому

    Couldn't you set the transition tower to be some model that doesn't require a continuous color?

  • @PeteSchirmer
    @PeteSchirmer 3 роки тому

    Most cities won’t let you throw pla in the green bin still, so how do we compost it ourselves??

  • @BassandClap
    @BassandClap 3 роки тому

    How does the printer know when the new color comes out of the printer? From the sensor in the Palette 3 to the nozzle there is still +/- one meter of the old color left

  • @TheFeist77
    @TheFeist77 3 роки тому

    I like the new intro.

  • @epicwarriors
    @epicwarriors 3 роки тому

    What’s the point of a torture toaster I keep forgetting and it never really says what it is

  • @arklanuthoslin
    @arklanuthoslin 3 роки тому

    Nope. tried a few times on my mini, the bed adhesion for the tolerance bits were impossible, so i added a brim to them, but there's something causing the nozzle to catch on the model and move the bed now, about half way up. :|

  • @edwinirizarry9277
    @edwinirizarry9277 3 роки тому

    You should def try and see the compostability I’d def like to see that

  • @RALLIR
    @RALLIR 3 роки тому

    Compostability report self test ! Would be sweet but also set a timelapse for it

  • @GeneSimonalle
    @GeneSimonalle 3 роки тому

    Stick it in ground and compost it!! 🤠❤️❤️

  • @Angelgt88
    @Angelgt88 2 роки тому

    Hi , my name is Miguel, I wanted to know if is possible to disabled the transition block and put all those in to the infill

  • @NitrousBanshee
    @NitrousBanshee 3 роки тому

    I'd like to see it decompose.

  • @subiwrx1
    @subiwrx1 3 роки тому

    Please test TPU TPU I want to know if I'm going to waste my money or not.

  • @amalirfan
    @amalirfan 3 роки тому

    What is the best way of disposing 3d print waste, just throw it in the garbage?

  • @tinfpv8694
    @tinfpv8694 3 роки тому

    How about print TPU multi color?

  • @nathanschroeder7892
    @nathanschroeder7892 3 роки тому +1

    You should hook it up to the raise3d e2

  • @nickrowan
    @nickrowan 3 роки тому

    All PLA is "compostable" under those circumstances. They're just saying theirs composts slightly (15%) faster than regular PLA. If you were to print more pots with this plastic and stick them outside they'd last just as long as your current ones.
    The next thing is - who actually takes their PLA waste to be composted? Where can I find a place that has those conditions? The thing is - I CAN'T. There are NO recyclers of PLA near me. So the composability is meaningless because those places simply don't exist near me. It smells like a marketing ploy so people feel better about the amount of PLA waste they create. "Oh well it's compostable so it's fine."
    Saying that, I do keep all the PLA waste I make in a box so that when a recycler starts taking PLA or I can afford a filament extruder and recycle my own prints then at least I haven't dumped it all in the landfill where it'll sit for a LONG time.

  • @MichaKaczmarek_Krakow
    @MichaKaczmarek_Krakow 3 роки тому

    Put that filament 6ft underground ;)

  • @cosmicrdt
    @cosmicrdt 3 роки тому

    Yes please bury the toaster - I'll believe it when I see it

  • @rickseiden1
    @rickseiden1 3 роки тому

    EDIT: Before you read the entire thread, know that there is 1 kg of filament on the spool.
    Original post: My PolyTerra PLA order just arrived, and I noticed that the 1KG spool is 800g of filament and 200g of spool. I've never seen that before. Is this standard for the industry? I always thought I was getting 1KG of filament in a 1KG spool.

    • @3DPrintingNerd
      @3DPrintingNerd  3 роки тому

      Hmm, typically the rated weight is weight of the product. I’ll send an email.

    • @rickseiden1
      @rickseiden1 3 роки тому

      @@3DPrintingNerd It doesn't specifically say that it's 800g of filament. It does specifically say that it's 200g of spool, and the window in the spool that shows you how much is left is marked in such a way as to make it look like it's an 800g spool. At the price they are selling it for, 800g is still a good deal, especially with the cardboard spool. But it would be better if they labeled it correctly.
      EDIT: Again, there is 1 kg of filament on the spool. I'm leaving this post up so people can see how the company responded to this.

    • @Polymaker
      @Polymaker 3 роки тому

      @@rickseiden1 Hi Rick, we really apologize for the inconvenience. PolyTerra™ PLA comes in 1kg net (which means 1kg of material). Can you please confirm that the whole product weight when received was 1kg (not 1.2kg) or are you just referring to the weight scale to guess that it only has 800g on the spool?
      Thank you for the additional information.

    • @rickseiden1
      @rickseiden1 3 роки тому +1

      @@Polymaker I don't have a scale that I can use to just weigh the spool, but I weighed myself with and without the spool, and there was about a 1.2kg difference, so there must be 1 kg of filament on there. I was thrown off by the marking on the side. 600g was so high it looked like it couldn't be 1 kg.
      I would delete this thread, but I want everyone to see you guys taking the time to reply. Good customer service is hard to find, so when I see it, I want the world to know.
      I've edited my other posts to make it clear that there was always 1 kg of filament on the spool.

  • @FlightNSurf
    @FlightNSurf 3 роки тому

    Lets do that compostability test.

  • @crosscy9387
    @crosscy9387 3 роки тому

    Looking forward to the combustible report!

  • @d.shortwave4280
    @d.shortwave4280 3 роки тому

    the codes does not work for resellers.. to bad though :(

  • @3DLL.
    @3DLL. 3 роки тому

    100 days, i thought it took 80 years for pla to decompose

  • @TheBlueJimmy
    @TheBlueJimmy 3 роки тому

    You should test the “compostability” in the real world, i highly doubt it’ll degrade as fast as they claim without lab conditions. I will be impressed if it even looks like it’s started to degrade in the time they claim.

    • @Polymaker
      @Polymaker 3 роки тому

      If by "real world" you mean burying the part in the backyard, then indeed the part may not even start to degrade after years. The conditions that Joel mentioned in the video are absolutely required. However if by "real word" you mean real composting facilities, then when shredded, the part will indeed degrade (more or less rapidly depending on the conditions) however please note that not all industrial composting facilities will take all bioplastic as a ratio between food waste and bioplastic are required.
      We haven't solved the problem of massively composting PLA, but it is a step in the right direction.

  • @garrettsgrotto8438
    @garrettsgrotto8438 3 роки тому

    would enjoy a compost test plz

  • @vd853
    @vd853 3 роки тому

    Does it test for stringing?

  • @AndreaNassisi
    @AndreaNassisi 2 роки тому +1

    Selling one on ebay used once

  • @tharobiiceii
    @tharobiiceii 3 роки тому

    I don't understand why the tower is needed if the Palette 3 Pro is splicing the ends together at the correct lengths. Can anyone explain that to me?

    • @3DPrintingNerd
      @3DPrintingNerd  3 роки тому +1

      The splices do not create an immediate color change. There is a period where the molten plastic of the new color mixes with the molten plastic of the old color. That is the transition and the machine puts those all in a block. The amount of the transition between one color to another really depends on pigments and extrusion size and things like that. So, you CAN dial in your transitions, and have a smaller tower, as long as you’re using filaments you’ve tested.

  • @cassandracollins4150
    @cassandracollins4150 3 роки тому

    compostable supports?

  • @SiuLeung
    @SiuLeung 2 роки тому

    can this be printed on a resin printer, probably need to scale it down.

  • @BenjaminVaterlaus
    @BenjaminVaterlaus 3 роки тому

    COMPOST IT!! :)

  • @andrewrichards2462
    @andrewrichards2462 Рік тому

    This video has a very high-pitched noise playing. I was wondering what it was then I paused your video and it went away. I am watching on my computer, so I tried my headphones and it is still there using different hardware.

  • @thijsmateboer9658
    @thijsmateboer9658 3 роки тому

    epilepsy warning at the beginning of the video would me a smart thing to do with the intro XD

    • @hotaru8309
      @hotaru8309 3 роки тому

      Ah yes, I had to rewind, because certain noises affect my vision, so I couldn't see the color flash the first time.
      This is a legitimate concern. I think running just a bit slower or lessening transitions by one would help. It's so frustrating when its very short, because a warning is about as long as the content.
      I never can decide what to do with it, unless its just super bad- this was moderate.

  • @JimPBarber
    @JimPBarber 3 роки тому

    Bring back the old intro!

  • @sparrowthenerd
    @sparrowthenerd 3 роки тому +10

    There is a high-pitched noise in the video that is KILLING me

  • @LordBarrington
    @LordBarrington 3 роки тому +134

    would be super cool if there was a way to slice a model to use as a wasteblock, would get some interesting color combo benchies

    • @Kineth1
      @Kineth1 3 роки тому +12

      That is actually a really neat idea. If you were printing an object as a defined multi-color print, you could also offer that same (or another) object as an undefined multi-color print. Some attention would need to go into padding the transitions so that the object would fully print, but that shouldn't be too difficult.

    • @Awesom_Austin
      @Awesom_Austin 3 роки тому +15

      This is already possible with Prusa slicer and an MMU2. I don't know if that option is available on a Palette.

    • @DivyanshMMMUT
      @DivyanshMMMUT 3 роки тому +2

      Exactly I was going to comment this 🤯

    • @weasaldude
      @weasaldude 2 роки тому

      Already possible!

  • @AtomicShrimp
    @AtomicShrimp 3 роки тому +219

    I'm very interested to see a compostability test, and also discussion about the products that it degrades into. There are some 'degradable' plastics that just break down into small particles, but it's still plastic

    • @goramiir
      @goramiir 3 роки тому +3

      Yes, print a box and put some soil and a seed in it and burry the whole thing.

    • @Thomas_Acharya
      @Thomas_Acharya 3 роки тому +2

      @@goramiir use the purge block. Plant seed where it was 3 months later...

    • @vladimirseven777
      @vladimirseven777 3 роки тому +2

      It will fail or succeed depending form what you expect. Most likely will fail if you expecting plastic will turn into soil.

    • @chemicalartist3d289
      @chemicalartist3d289 3 роки тому +6

      Well they state on their website (Source: polymaker.com/polyterra-pla-info/ )
      How long does it take for PolyTerra™️ PLA to degrade?
      PolyTerra™️ PLA degrades under the specific conditions of industrial composting, namely, at certain temperature and humidity with the presence of micro-organisms. The degrade rate will depend on the size and thickness of the printed part.
      We are conducting a biodegradability test on our PolyTerra™️ PLA material and the result will come out soon.
      So ... like normal PLA and all other claims need more data .... something smells a little fishy.

    • @Sharpman76
      @Sharpman76 3 роки тому +2

      Absolutely. Always fun to see the supposedly compostable utensils given out at my college with the "only in special facilities" disclaimer on it

  • @atuttle
    @atuttle 3 роки тому +139

    Super interested in the compostable filament. Please do follow up with a trip report on burying it. If possible, maybe also throw some into a pile of grass clippings and other yard waste (e.g. "the compost pile behind the shed")

    • @scruffy3121
      @scruffy3121 3 роки тому +6

      I'd love to believe them, but it is kinda hard to believe. Please compost some, to test this.

    • @Snotkoglen
      @Snotkoglen 3 роки тому +4

      Compostable plastics are not all good things. Most do "disappear", but they just turn in to microplastics, which is a horrible thing in nature.

    • @christiansorensen9175
      @christiansorensen9175 3 роки тому +3

      If you saw, they said normal PLA composted 80% after 45 days... So probably will never compost in the backyard. Conditions they listed were 60 deg C, O2 rich, 50% humidity, PH of 8.1. This isn't to dig on them, but for us normal people compostablity means throw it in the garden, and in a year it will be dirt. For them its "throw it in a hot, wet, furnace, and in 3 months it'll be dirt"

    • @matteopomorski8460
      @matteopomorski8460 3 роки тому

      also, each filament spool bought is a tree planted in your country, according to them

    • @Voyajer.
      @Voyajer. 3 роки тому +1

      Burying it won't do anything because their definition of composting is "hot-composting" which while doable is a more involved process than most people do.

  • @Scott_C
    @Scott_C 3 роки тому +42

    Please compost it! And give us an update in a few weeks.

  • @rickseiden1
    @rickseiden1 3 роки тому +36

    I think the biggest take on this, which you did not mention, is the color bleed. Both doors had color bleed on the part touching the bed, and the back of the toaster where the text was also had color bleed (it wasn't pure yellow towards the bottom). I think I saw some color bleed on the gears, too.

    • @jawaring4367
      @jawaring4367 3 роки тому +10

      Color bleed is typically slicer settings to make the waste block smaller. I assume Mosaic tried to make the waste as small as possible to make the Palette look like it isn't going to cause a ton of extra waste. Even still, these palettes waste twice as much plastic in addition to a normal print, and even if you're using these brand new "compostable" plastics (big doubt these are actually what they're being made out to be) that have yet to be widely tested or verified by third parties, you still waste a lot of money in plastic and a lot of time and power in longer prints. Palettes are simply bad for the environment. In a hobby like 3d printing that is already creating mountains of useless plastic we don't need devices like this multiplying that waste even more just to make the print look cooler.

    • @Quasar0406
      @Quasar0406 3 роки тому +1

      @@jawaring4367 money

  • @tenchuu007
    @tenchuu007 3 роки тому +16

    Highly interested in compostability. Current lack of recycling is literally one of the reasons I've slowed down printing.

    • @IanBakker
      @IanBakker 3 роки тому +1

      Eh, recycling is literally a waste of time. It either makes you feel good and then ends up in a landfill or gets sent to Asia where it's piled up and/or burned. For the companies that do take recycling domestically current processes generate more greenhouse gases to meltdown a milk jug and reuse it than it does to create one from virgin material. The amount of material waste generated from 3D printing doesn't even move the needle. Seriously, I'm all for recycling but the current situation makes it a worthless endeavor which is wholely disheartening.

    • @tenchuu007
      @tenchuu007 3 роки тому +2

      @@IanBakker That's outdated and incorrect information. If people follow actual recycling guidelines that don't use single stream or three stream recycling there have been effective recycling programs worldwide. In the US we need more investment at a federal level to reduce the overall cost to recycle, but it looks like that's coming. I'm fortunate enough to live a couple miles from my local recycling center, so I can wash everything, divide it into the six different types they take, and ask them what will get rejected when I drop things off. Will all of it get recycled? Probably not, but at least a portion will and that's better than none. I live in an apartment but have a small compost bin on the balcony. I looked into "eco" filament but it requires a high heat facility. I was sending my supports to a company that was composting them, but they disappeared with Covid. So now I just print things that have minimal support requirements. blogs.ei.columbia.edu/2020/03/13/fix-recycling-america/

    • @brett567
      @brett567 2 роки тому

      @@tenchuu007 melt your scrap plastic into mosaic cutting boards and cup coasters. People can't get enough of em for some reason

  • @wtfismikedoing
    @wtfismikedoing 3 роки тому +10

    Holy purge block!! 😳
    Would definitely be interested in seeing testing of the composting.

  • @sdg1
    @sdg1 3 роки тому +19

    A video about the compostable filament would be really cool! Maybe there could be a day to day time lapse of it degrading shown by a picture taken of it every day

  • @Voyajer.
    @Voyajer. 3 роки тому +3

    So it's compostable if you have a hot-compost bin. Once it is possible to cold-compost PLA it will be way more impressive.
    DIY filament extrusion still seems the way to go at this point.
    Other ideas: Print objects that don't need to be a specific color with the purged filament to shrink the purge tower. Maybe use the purged filament as infill before the walls are printed (leftover purge that doesn't fit in the infill will need to go into another model or a purge tower still).

  • @MakingStuff
    @MakingStuff 3 роки тому +2

    Yeah Toast!

  • @ninsaburo14shiratori
    @ninsaburo14shiratori 3 роки тому +4

    The fact that the purge block is so large is a real dealbreaker on any Multifilament Addon for a 3D Printer. Is there a way to replace the need for it with a purgebucket or similar on the Palette 3?

    • @AndrewGillard
      @AndrewGillard 3 роки тому

      If a "purge bucket" is the sort of thing I've seen on machines like E3D's ToolChanger, I don't think that would help a whole lot here. You'd have to extrude/waste almost as much filament as with a purge block, if not exactly the same amount - it'd just be in a random pile rather than in a block.
      (It might be _slightly_ less, as there'd be no need to build layers of purge block _when not changing material_, just to support subsequent layers of actual purging, but I think those support layers use only a small amount of plastic - they're very sparse.)
      Any system that uses the same hotend+nozzle for multiple materials/colours will need to purge a lot of filament when switching. I don't see a way around that - although purging into infill can help reduce the waste to some extent.
      The ToolChanger wastes less filament simply because it uses a different hotend for each material, so when switching materials it just needs to _prime_ the hotend to ensure that the hotend+nozzle are full of plastic and are ready to print (a temporarily "parked" hotend can end up with air in the nozzle from the retraction performed as it parked and from filament oozing from the nozzle as it's idle).
      But a switching/multiplexing system like the Palette, Prusa MMU/MMU2, E3D Cyclops, etc., has to flush out all remnants of the previous material, and that can require a lot of waste because plastic gets stuck inside the hotend/nozzle.
      I totally agree that purge blocks are a problem, especially when not using either recycled plastic or biodegradable bioplastics, but I don't see another option right now that doesn't require multiple hotends - and that option is still extremely troublesome to set up and/or rather expensive, from what I've seen.
      The Palette appears to be a fair bit easier and cheaper than multi-hotend systems.

    • @CraftySven
      @CraftySven 3 роки тому

      you should check out Mihai Designs here on YT. He's currently working on a swappable nozzle system for MK3, so no purge tower - just multiple nozzles.

    • @bacon.cheesecake
      @bacon.cheesecake 3 роки тому

      Even though it's big, I think it's quite airy, so it might not be as much filament as it looks like

    • @bacon.cheesecake
      @bacon.cheesecake 3 роки тому

      Just got to the part where he says it's heavier than the model, I was wrong

    • @ninsaburo14shiratori
      @ninsaburo14shiratori 3 роки тому

      @@AndrewGillard I completely Agree with that. A Purge buckets function is the same as the Purge Block, but it can be tuned way better.to fully colour change you dont have to extrude as much filament as you do with a Purge block (Due to the fact that youre extruding faster, iirc that results in less waste due to cleaner transition).
      All in all, Single Nozzle Multiplex Filament needs a good solution for Wastemanagement. if thats not dealt with, i cant see myself buying such a unit in the future.

  • @seedmoreuser
    @seedmoreuser 3 роки тому +4

    I love the pallet idea, the easy colour system... But that purge block is a huge pain. Wonder if you could reduce the purge block size by making a purge wall like the creator 3. Two To three laps around a model so suffice for a colour change.

    • @ggaub
      @ggaub 3 роки тому +4

      You'd be amazed at how much material it takes to get a clean color change. Speaking from MMU2 experience. What I like to do is use other objects where color doesn't matter as purge towers. You still need a regular tower, but it's size can be reduced by adding functional objects just for color changing, so it doesn't ALL go to waste.
      Or, get into waste recycling like me. About the cost of a decent printer and you can be re-making waste into filament. :)

    • @SleepLessThan3
      @SleepLessThan3 3 роки тому +1

      @@ggaub how good is the consistency of the recycled filament?

    • @ggaub
      @ggaub 3 роки тому +3

      @@SleepLessThan3 Much like 3d printers, it depends a lot on the quality of the machinery. Some of Joel's forays into the state of the filament making industry are... wait for it... telling. LOL.. OFF the CUFF! ;-) Anyhoo, yeah... you can get usable filament. It ain't Prusament, but it's functional, and prints as well as the cheap stuff on cheap printers. :)

  • @RobeenaShepherd
    @RobeenaShepherd 3 роки тому +4

    I have been trying to compost PLA in a hotbin, but my garden doesn't get enough sunlight so it doesn't get hot enough. I do have lots of worms though... 😂 Just not composted PLA.

  • @endthefighting
    @endthefighting 3 роки тому +2

    Not entirely sure how, but my brain made me read "Tourette's toaster", and I was beautifully confused...

  • @jesseberman680
    @jesseberman680 3 роки тому +2

    Hey Joel, unrelated to this crazy but yet very cool torture test I have purchased a printer recently but have been having adhesion issues. My first layer is calibrated well but whenever I go to start a print the beginning of each line has a little curl which makes the line loose. I use a prusa i3 mk3s+, if there is any helpful information you or the community could give me that would be much appreciated

  • @oktopus1539
    @oktopus1539 3 роки тому +4

    that purge block has a bigger volume than the object

  • @SandyCrack69
    @SandyCrack69 3 роки тому +3

    I was hoping Joel would of commented on the mixed up colors of the purple and black gears at 5.54 when we was assessing the print at the end of the video.
    Also regular PLA also decomposed 75 % in the first 45 days under the same microbe based environment ...
    That said another fun video .....

  • @gulch1969
    @gulch1969 3 роки тому +2

    Nice Heywood Banks Toast reference!! That man is a legend.

  • @fxfx182
    @fxfx182 3 роки тому +2

    Definitely Print some starter pots, put some seedlings in them and put them in the ground next to some of the store bought starter biodegradable starter cups and compare 👍

  • @parker73724
    @parker73724 3 роки тому +1

    I don't really doubt their lab tests but it would be nice to see how these hold up in a variety of natural environment. Ie. Inside house, just laying outside in yard, burried, and actually in a compost bin. This test would take a while but it would be interesting to see the results in about a year.

  • @vickington
    @vickington 3 роки тому +2

    not sure if i am alone on this but theres a really high pitched whine throughout this whole video. higher pitched than what a CRT sounds like.

    • @vickington
      @vickington 3 роки тому +2

      I've checked with my friends and on different headphones and devices and the high pitch whine is definitely there.

  • @AndrewAHayes
    @AndrewAHayes 3 роки тому +1

    Why Oh Why Oh Why can't they allow you to import parts to be printed with the purged plastic? if they can allow you to change the shape of the purge tower then it can print an imported G-Code file, some parts don't need specific colours and some would in fact look better in randomly mixed colours, I and many many other people would love to have a Pallette but the wastage of plastic is criminal and I can't do that.

  • @rodie_studios
    @rodie_studios 3 роки тому +2

    first love your vids btw