Smurfadelis those prices individually are terrible tho like the shell kit I have found for 45$ before and the whole bomb collection to be 20$ and midnight to be 70$ also sure that the rest of those cakes I could find cheaper too.
this was surprising tbh, i guess now we know why some retail places charge as much as they do for some of these kits, especially when its a brothers kit like this and some really nice stuff in it.Honestly this shows why if you're thinking about one of those larger kits be it this one or like the godfather that blackcat has. its always wise to price out everything if possible because if its a lot of crap in the kit it won't be worth it or if its like this one you end up with a deal.
I buy an assortment like that for the night before my big show. It allows me to get in the mood and allow my friends to light some off to experience that joy (my big show is all done by me & one helper.) Found that this is one of the better assortments out there.
Great breakdown and video... I buy em just to sell em tho people love assortments but I'm talking about the ones with those cheap festival balls and other little stuff
Nice informative video!! With the bigger party/finale assortments, you will definitely save some money and luckily the average consumer doesn't have to work too hard to figure it out (as long as most of the items are sold individually at the same store that sells the assortments). Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for the smaller assortments, which sell a lot more than the larger assortments. When you calculate the retail prices of the items in the smaller assortments, the total will usually end up somewhere in between $5 and $10 over the actual total cost of the items, so you're not actually getting ripped off too bad in some cases, but it adds up when you consider how many of these smaller assortments get sold. It's definitely harder to calculate retail prices in the smaller assortments (because of the fact that there are so many individual pieces to account for) and that's where the stores try to make their money. I calculated the cost of a bigger ($120) assortment that I had last year and the assortment itself saves you about $10-$15, so paying for a bigger assortment makes more sense (even though it will cost you more), but that depends on how big your budget is.
Great video, ive been watching for a very long time. Thanks for making this! Helpful. I don't know if I'm the only one, but I will guestimate the prices of what the fireworks in assortments are worth. The fireworks in the assortments aren't usually sold in that tent / stand. If I want the product in that and its a fair / cheaper deal than I will buy. Also factor in tho that you get stuff thrown in for free from buying the stuff individually. When they see you buying all that product its seems alot more. PLUS its most of the time, cheaper to buy indivisually were im at. That assortment would probably be $600. But it would come with like 2 noabs and a 24 shell kit.
I like assortments , they remind me of being a kid again.. when I was little , those assortment boxes seemed like 10 feet tall! lol dawn you JOEL.. if you only know what you did to me ... you Joel.. yes you... changed my life
Yes finally someone showed if it's all worth it. I live in Indiana and been following guys like you to see what products you guys buy. I think I'm going to have to make the trip up there soon.
GREAT VIDEO! There are some great assortments out there. Personally, I have always had good luck with assortments. What I usually do is get an assortment and then build on it with some larger items. I have found that if you can use coupons with assortments, that can also save you money... My only issue is that sometimes certain assortments contain some nice items, and some items that I would not buy individually. For me it depends on the company and I always like to be able to see exactly what is in the box.
I started using using them three years ago when that markup when from double wholesale to triple. Pyro King, Brothers, World Class but they need to start carrying more Cutting Edge. Yet they do carry junk brands like Black Cats too.
thanks for the video! I never really got into asst's just because I always liked picking product I needed to take my show where I wanted it to go. however I was never able to purchase an asst this nice. would definitely consider purchasing this one.
I'm watching this video again because I wanted to make another comment. It is simply outrageous to me how much more expensive fireworks are now compared to what they were when you did this video. Take for example when I bought the max assortment two years ago it was about $599. A year later it was 699. This year they wanted $1,000 for this kit. If I could have got that kit for $314 sale price that you showed in your video I would have bought four of them LOL
@@JoelRobinsonPyrotechnics I'm not going to lie it's totally the reason I didn't do a little show this year. I think the people that asked us to do these things don't understand the cost of everything. It tells you something when I'm willing to put in my time but the cost is just way too high. I don't know if you ever seen in my videos but I've collected donations for the last two years to put on shows and I didn't think it was right to ask them for donations this year based on the cost of everything.
@@fastfireworks3177 I feel you man. I never ask for donations so everything is paid out of pocket. I have a slight advantage as I put any UA-cam earnings back into the channel and that helps out the shows too.
@@JoelRobinsonPyrotechnics well you totally give back to your subscribers and your fan base so much respect for that. I would totally do the same thing. I simply cannot afford to spend two grand a year on fireworks
@@fastfireworks3177 It's good that you also understand and respect that. I know a lot of people that over spend when they shouldn't and while I love the pyro they are buying, it makes me fearful for other parts of their life's.
Good job on doing the comparison. I've always wondered that myself. Kits should typically be less since they are effectively creating a mixed case of product. So the pricing should be somewhere near what they charge for cases. (Although vendors typically charge a little more for mixed cases.) To determine this, I expanded your effort! Rewatching the video, I noted the individual price and case price where available. I took the case price, divided by the qty in the case, and that gives your per-item price at case pricing. I then figured out the discount for buying a case of each product. Once I had all those numbers, I took the average of all the case qty discounts. Not including the shit kit (*giggles*), the average discount per item when buying a case was 53%. (The case discount on the shells was only 21%, which would bring the overall "case qty" discount down to 49%.) For the kit priced at $400, and the per piece price totaling $555, that's an "OK" discount of 28%. If we look at their demo night sale price @ $319, that's a more reasonable discount of 43%, which is much closer to the "case price" discount. Finally, let's apply the the average 49% and 53% case discount and see what we get. $271.95 and $260.85, respectively. So is it a better buy to purchase a kit? From a purely financial view, it is a resounding "Yes". But when pricing is not taken into consideration, I say this... If you're not a pyro and you don't really know much about what you definitely like effect-wise, or don't know what particular products you like, or you are buying for a target group (such as buying a kit with a bunch of little stuff to hand out to the kids), or you are just looking to have stuff make noise and color, then "Yes, just go buy a big kit." Check out "Beyond Compare" from JakesFireworks. The thing is nearly 6ft tall! If random products are not your style, then you probably have a greater interest in pyro and should look to join a pyro club. Happy firing and BE SAFE!
I live in Fort Pierce, FL and where I live there's a skyking fireworks idk if you've ever hear of it? But I get an assortment called, Pyros Playhouse (which I will be sending you a picture for the 2017 stashes) and it costs $300 at retail price. And plus also they have a buy one get one free deal on anything in the store so I got another Pyros Playhouse for free. It comes with over 2,000 items to light with novelties and even 500 gram cakes. To me its worth it because if you were to buy everything individually it would come out to something like $500.
I love getting the big assortments with only loud and rowdy prodycts, but its different here in New Zealand, because of the restrictions. Nice vid by the way
If you paid double the 500 and just get cases of everything you'd get 4-500g of each cake and 12-16 of the 200g cakes each. Either way great vid on the retail breakdown of assortments. I just made my 2017 trip to a wholesaler and got 14 cases!
I went this week and they had a special with their Panda/Dragon/Cobra/Tiger boxes. Grab any 4 for 175$. I sold two of them and got the 175$ back! So I technically got two free boxes!
Yeah man. Those assortments suck. Your best bet is getting wholesale Super King Pyros and what have you at Area 51 Fireworks...Red Apple is good for a lot of stuff but not Assortments
The only problem I had with Assortments is that in every one I would find things that I had absolutely no use for. The combined price of the stuff that I did like added up to less than what I would have paid for all of it. I just didn't need half the stuff. But this particular assortment is good, I just hate some of the Bombs by Big.
Damn I'm a few years behind, but we got the night display from black cat. 300, an 150 worth of free stuff. I got to pick what I wanted for free. 3 kids under 15. 6 adults. We shot for just over a hr. We was pretty impressed with what we got. Not was all Ariel cakes 200gm to a couple of 500gm. Also picked up a couple of 500gm heavyweight brothers cakes, an a shell kit. I believe it was pro line 76 supernova canisters. Can't remember. Worth 300 in our opinion
in my opinion, if you can actually find assortments with individually sold products (like the one shown in the video) by all means do the research because it can save you a lot of money. the assortments to watch out for are the rewraps of the products you dont see that is not sold individually. here in california, where our main supplier is TNT and a little bit of Phantom, the assortments contains most items that are not sold individually. because of course, they are all fountains. lol.
I still don't buy shells even though it's "legal" and my city put no restrictions on what can be fired because I'm afraid they'd find a way to complain anyway if I set off something that powerful in my yard. So I stuck to rockets, spinners/chasers, and firecrackers. Also on the look out for some heavier-duty roman candles that fire mini-shell like charges because I had some at one point they were pretty impressive for how cheap they were.
I only pick up the small cheap kits ,rockets and Roman Candle mostly because Im not a fan of 500 cakes feel 200's are the sweet spot fired alongside shells. I do about a 60/40 budget split in wholesale and retail so normally that means 2-3 cases then rockets,novalties,spinners,roman candles 3-5 cakes, and festivel balls from my go too retail spot.
I usually just buy the Jefferson Assortment from 76fireworks and have em delivered too my house? I have also bought TNT's Big Bang as well as Brothers Container Load
Ernest Hardison Your sold your Soul to the Devil The Phantom is real advertisment no corporate lies there stands for your money disappearing & seeing nothing for it
I totally got ripped off buying this assortment at Phantom Fireworks recently. What is in the one they are selling is different than what is pictured here. It has some of the same cakes, but it doesn't have for instance Midnight, or the Quest shells. Also, the outer shipping cover says 699 shots, but unless I am missing something, I added together all of the fireworks, and they only add to 669 shots. I contacted Phantom's help desk about this, but I have yet to receive a reply back since sending it yesterday. I am really FUMED about this.
The items are the same they just rewrap some of them with different packaging but they are still the same product. I agree phantom is really over priced. The only time to shop there and that's if you have no other options is when they do buy one get 2. Then and only then are their prices closer, still higher but closer to other more reasonable stores regular prices. But no matter what sale you're still going to be paying more at phantom. Glad I found red apple and know that they ship anywhere in the us. So I will be ordering my fireworks online and have them shipped to my house from now on. Shipping is expensive 99 to 199 flat rate so you pay the same if your order is small or large. but if you're getting a few grand of pyro then it's still hundreds less then the upcharge and taxes that I have to pay here in pa at phantom. 18% state tax that I don't have to pay when ordering from red apple and also hundreds less on actual product that I save from the cheaper prices red apple offers especially on cases. If I spend 1k at phantom I have to pay $180 in tax. If I spend 2k I pay 360 in tax. And even with the buy one get 2 I still pay around 33 for a 500g cake. Red apple I can get a few cases and the avg price is around 18.50 per 500g cake. 5in canister shells 33 to 52 per unit red apple. 66 with phantoms buy 1 get 2. And I'm talking case prices but still. You can see If your buying a nice amount you can get double your amount for the same money spent even paying for shipping then you can at phantoms buy1get2 just paying their base prices. You spend hundreds more in markup there. Which will easily cover the shipping. And for me I don't have to pay the tax ontop the markup so I end up saving big. Basically I can get 60 500 gram cakes from red apple and have them shipped to my door for the same price I'd pay for 30 500g cakes at phantom stores during their buy one get 2 sales.
I agree with everthing you said. Just 1 thing, you get it cheaper for buying so much. Your spending $400 so you would get a discount or stuff thrown in for free (hopefully)
Even wholesale 500G will cost about $20 instead of $30-40 so you would spend probably over a grand to save a few hundred over their kit price. Just get the kit rather then buy 4 years worth. Around here, Hydrogen Bomb probably sells for $50-60 retail not $30. I've given up on retail here. Excalibur cost $75-100 retail here but I can get them for a little over $30 wholesale. I bought them retail at $50 but no longer at these prices.
Hey joelI will have to send you a picture of my stash this year but I did what you did in warhawk fireworks I bought almost double the stuff of your stash and way too many cases Can't wait to see your stash this year!!!
I'd like to know the results from different stores to really compare. Most of the cakes in this assortment at Red Apple are also sold by the case, so you could probably get a better deal that way also.
Red Apple/MotorCity Fireworks prices have skyrocketed. Most of those cakes use to sell for $20. I bought Stop-N_Go three years ago for $7. Hit Tthe Road Jack for $15. They use to carry Big Pro shells and got them for $32 a box. I still go to MotorCity but buy a lot less since they came out with their own products and jacked up the prices. Still good place to shop but getting expensive.
Also thank you for your video on making racks. Used your design to make 40 racks. They work great and leave them as 10 or connect them to make any configuration up to what we can lift.
I bought a case of tiger/panda assortments came to about $30 each assortment. Not the best stuff but I buy them for my pyros in training (my boys) these assortments keep them busy for hours✌🏼
Awesome vid Joel thanks for the information im thinking about buying the brothers container load but wasn't sure if it was worth it I'm guessing it to be around 400 as well
I want one of the companies to start making a "that's illegal" pack that has nothing but stuff that's illegal in states with stupid laws for people that drive across state lines to buy fireworks. It wpukd have nothing but rockets, more rockets, artillery shells and aerial novelties.
of course depends on what is actually in there but in my experience 90% of assortments are a waste of money containing mostly product that otherwise would never sell on their own. the effects of most items usually are very weak and small, fountains last a good 2 seconds if they light at all, you know the deal... your typical ripoff. especially the case with most factory assembled assortments. store assembled ones however have a lot better chance to contain actual good product.
everything in this kit is 200-500 gram repeaters.... Brothers makes quality stuff too.... a lot of fireworks companies just rewrap brothers items and sell them as their own
Why was i getting this in my recommendations? Oh right, it's almost the 4th of July over there. If anyone is buying this kit, i'd really like to see how a 400 dollar firework kit in the U.S.A. looks like!? Have a nice holiday folks over there other side of the pond!
the biggen assortment $464 whole sale $550 retail says $750 worth inside.. found it can be cheaper at times... 25% off assortments at a sale = $412... sooo for 21. cakes and 5 artillery shell kits, not a bad deal..
Andrew Chittenden That is difficult because every state has different laws. If you're looking to do fireworks legally in your area I would call your local fire department, fire marshal, or police department to inquire. If you want to work for a display company, call your local company and ask if they have a training class you can attend since you're interested in shooting.
No, both are 2017 products. They are different. Container Load is similar but contains twice as many 200G cakes but less 350G cakes. I can not use fan cake like Midnight, too many trees near by. I like to pick and choose a lot but often the prepacked is better since you only need to buy 1 of everything not 4 to 36 or whatever. Brothers does have a cake only package called The Deadly Dozen (BP-A085) which is a good choice depending on its cost since all those cake a pretty good but I'm not sure if any wholesaler carries it yet.
Cool Video , this is something iv always wanted to do but I have crappy stores near me. I wish I could find this asst in my neck of the woods. that $319 sale price is legit, stores near me this would be a $500-$550 sticker price all day long, all the stores around me in SE WI are just worried about maximum profit and nothing else, also they are the only 2 stores located in like a 40 mile radius and no new stores can get licensing so they have a monopoly going on, sucks .
Raccoon squad it’s some of the best raccoon cakes 200g and only for 125 and 13 cakes Individually it would be about 250 or around there love this video Joel nice my fellow pyro!! What’s your favorite assortment?
@@JoelRobinsonPyrotechnics yea I’m the same way man I gotta say the raccoon squad is amazing as u know raccoon is great brand and some great 200g cakes on there !! Il be posting demos of all of them plus ect but if u see it grab it !! It’s heavy!! To have good day brother
For the casual user, assortments are great. There are a bunch of safer kid-friendly assortments that are a good value for kids. For anyone serious about pyro, assortments are crap. You get stuck with all one brand, usually not their best performing items, and it strips all choice from you. If you literally know nothing about fireworks, get an assortment. If you want actual choice in your purchases, don't get an assortment. Easy as that.
You should do firework your at B.J. Alan fireworks. This year can you please please please get the LOCK AND LOAD and compare it with the other canister shells. Thank you!
it sounded like you said "shit Kit" when you went to the quest shells 😂😂😂😂😂, love your videos though man XD
pyro maniac 96 I did say shit kit. Purely accidental I swear! :)
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Joel Robinson what store are you at and where is it
those are a lot cheap prices then were i shop
BATTLE PIZZA Red Apple Fireworks, Pahrump, NV.
Joel Robinson thanks but I don't live anywhere near that
Im actually pretty surprised that the assortment was less especially that they were selling the kit for $320 which is saving you $230
I was pretty surprised as well. I'm really curious how some others stores assortments compare also.
Smurfadelis don't forget it is retail pricing
Smurfadelis Ooh Yeah Red Apple always has Good Prices. The Max looks like a Hella Good Party Box. Its Cheaper Buying a Assortment at this place here
Smurfadelis those prices individually are terrible tho like the shell kit I have found for 45$ before and the whole bomb collection to be 20$ and midnight to be 70$ also sure that the rest of those cakes I could find cheaper too.
yeah but if you are inside this store already about to spend money then this is a great deal.
I never buy assortments. I always get that feeling that I'm being hustled. Thanks for this!
You are lol most cake it buy one get one free or half off won't get that in assortment
@@michaelhawkins2318 😂 I knew it!
this was surprising tbh, i guess now we know why some retail places charge as much as they do for some of these kits, especially when its a brothers kit like this and some really nice stuff in it.Honestly this shows why if you're thinking about one of those larger kits be it this one or like the godfather that blackcat has. its always wise to price out everything if possible because if its a lot of crap in the kit it won't be worth it or if its like this one you end up with a deal.
That assortment is 1000x better than The Godfather assortment by black cat
Agreed 💯
I agree. Godfather assortment is trash
amen brother
Black cat is trash now
I feel like this kit is a lot better than most, because this one has cakes and most have half full fountains that nobody wants
Exactly! but then Red Apple is known for offering better then average deals across the board. I just do not not have nay in my state.
Not nobody; I'm sure families with young kids would rather have lots of (quieter) fountains that won't scare them...
@@scottwillis5434 heck im 25 amd wamt quieter fireworks lol.
I buy an assortment like that for the night before my big show. It allows me to get in the mood and allow my friends to light some off to experience that joy (my big show is all done by me & one helper.) Found that this is one of the better assortments out there.
Great breakdown and video... I buy em just to sell em tho people love assortments but I'm talking about the ones with those cheap festival balls and other little stuff
Is it just me or is that intro the best intro on UA-cam?👍
Nice informative video!! With the bigger party/finale assortments, you will definitely save some money and luckily the average consumer doesn't have to work too hard to figure it out (as long as most of the items are sold individually at the same store that sells the assortments). Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for the smaller assortments, which sell a lot more than the larger assortments. When you calculate the retail prices of the items in the smaller assortments, the total will usually end up somewhere in between $5 and $10 over the actual total cost of the items, so you're not actually getting ripped off too bad in some cases, but it adds up when you consider how many of these smaller assortments get sold. It's definitely harder to calculate retail prices in the smaller assortments (because of the fact that there are so many individual pieces to account for) and that's where the stores try to make their money.
I calculated the cost of a bigger ($120) assortment that I had last year and the assortment itself saves you about $10-$15, so paying for a bigger assortment makes more sense (even though it will cost you more), but that depends on how big your budget is.
Great video, ive been watching for a very long time. Thanks for making this! Helpful. I don't know if I'm the only one, but I will guestimate the prices of what the fireworks in assortments are worth. The fireworks in the assortments aren't usually sold in that tent / stand. If I want the product in that and its a fair / cheaper deal than I will buy. Also factor in tho that you get stuff thrown in for free from buying the stuff individually. When they see you buying all that product its seems alot more. PLUS its most of the time, cheaper to buy indivisually were im at. That assortment would probably be $600. But it would come with like 2 noabs and a 24 shell kit.
I've always purchased the kit, rather than buying it individually! Thanks for sharing!
I like assortments , they remind me of being a kid again.. when I was little , those assortment boxes seemed like 10 feet tall! lol
dawn you JOEL.. if you only know what you did to me ... you Joel.. yes you... changed my life
Yes finally someone showed if it's all worth it. I live in Indiana and been following guys like you to see what products you guys buy. I think I'm going to have to make the trip up there soon.
This is quite unusual for assortments. Especially when you shop at phantom... but then again phantom rips you off on any item you buy lol.
GREAT VIDEO! There are some great assortments out there. Personally, I have always had good luck with assortments. What I usually do is get an assortment and then build on it with some larger items. I have found that if you can use coupons with assortments, that can also save you money... My only issue is that sometimes certain assortments contain some nice items, and some items that I would not buy individually. For me it depends on the company and I always like to be able to see exactly what is in the box.
thank you so much it's about time some one i follow did this good work😎😉😊🤓
Thank you!
Joel Robinson I live in Wisconsin and shop at phantom is there any better place with cheaper prices
BATTLE PIZZA dude you need to hit up victory fireworks pick up some pyro King no way I'd get raped at phantom
Gneric Nuser thanks I will have to check them out
I started using using them three years ago when that markup when from double wholesale to triple. Pyro King, Brothers, World Class but they need to start carrying more Cutting Edge. Yet they do carry junk brands like Black Cats too.
thanks for the video! I never really got into asst's just because I always liked picking product I needed to take my show where I wanted it to go. however I was never able to purchase an asst this nice. would definitely consider purchasing this one.
Great video! Keep it up
The Assortment i like to buy is the Panda Box and the Rock the Boat. They Both have Good Fireworks from Cutting Edge, Brothers, Winda
I'm watching this video again because I wanted to make another comment. It is simply outrageous to me how much more expensive fireworks are now compared to what they were when you did this video. Take for example when I bought the max assortment two years ago it was about $599. A year later it was 699. This year they wanted $1,000 for this kit. If I could have got that kit for $314 sale price that you showed in your video I would have bought four of them LOL
I know right! I saw this kit recently on a wholesale price list and thought it was double or triple what I remember it being. Wild times!
@@JoelRobinsonPyrotechnics I'm not going to lie it's totally the reason I didn't do a little show this year. I think the people that asked us to do these things don't understand the cost of everything. It tells you something when I'm willing to put in my time but the cost is just way too high. I don't know if you ever seen in my videos but I've collected donations for the last two years to put on shows and I didn't think it was right to ask them for donations this year based on the cost of everything.
@@fastfireworks3177 I feel you man. I never ask for donations so everything is paid out of pocket. I have a slight advantage as I put any UA-cam earnings back into the channel and that helps out the shows too.
@@JoelRobinsonPyrotechnics well you totally give back to your subscribers and your fan base so much respect for that. I would totally do the same thing. I simply cannot afford to spend two grand a year on fireworks
@@fastfireworks3177 It's good that you also understand and respect that. I know a lot of people that over spend when they shouldn't and while I love the pyro they are buying, it makes me fearful for other parts of their life's.
Good job on doing the comparison. I've always wondered that myself. Kits should typically be less since they are effectively creating a mixed case of product. So the pricing should be somewhere near what they charge for cases. (Although vendors typically charge a little more for mixed cases.)
To determine this, I expanded your effort! Rewatching the video, I noted the individual price and case price where available. I took the case price, divided by the qty in the case, and that gives your per-item price at case pricing. I then figured out the discount for buying a case of each product. Once I had all those numbers, I took the average of all the case qty discounts. Not including the shit kit (*giggles*), the average discount per item when buying a case was 53%. (The case discount on the shells was only 21%, which would bring the overall "case qty" discount down to 49%.)
For the kit priced at $400, and the per piece price totaling $555, that's an "OK" discount of 28%.
If we look at their demo night sale price @ $319, that's a more reasonable discount of 43%, which is much closer to the "case price" discount.
Finally, let's apply the the average 49% and 53% case discount and see what we get. $271.95 and $260.85, respectively.
So is it a better buy to purchase a kit? From a purely financial view, it is a resounding "Yes".
But when pricing is not taken into consideration, I say this... If you're not a pyro and you don't really know much about what you definitely like effect-wise, or don't know what particular products you like, or you are buying for a target group (such as buying a kit with a bunch of little stuff to hand out to the kids), or you are just looking to have stuff make noise and color, then "Yes, just go buy a big kit." Check out "Beyond Compare" from JakesFireworks. The thing is nearly 6ft tall!
If random products are not your style, then you probably have a greater interest in pyro and should look to join a pyro club.
Happy firing and BE SAFE!
I love this entire comment. Very well done and my thoughts exactly!
surprising result
I live in Fort Pierce, FL and where I live there's a skyking fireworks idk if you've ever hear of it? But I get an assortment called, Pyros Playhouse (which I will be sending you a picture for the 2017 stashes) and it costs $300 at retail price. And plus also they have a buy one get one free deal on anything in the store so I got another Pyros Playhouse for free. It comes with over 2,000 items to light with novelties and even 500 gram cakes. To me its worth it because if you were to buy everything individually it would come out to something like $500.
Also, many assortments have novelty items hidden behind the larger cakes. Sometimes you could find $20 worth of small items.
I love getting the big assortments with only loud and rowdy prodycts, but its different here in New Zealand, because of the restrictions. Nice vid by the way
If you paid double the 500 and just get cases of everything you'd get 4-500g of each cake and 12-16 of the 200g cakes each. Either way great vid on the retail breakdown of assortments. I just made my 2017 trip to a wholesaler and got 14 cases!
Here's the thing, retail at Red Apple is all over the place.. retail on that assortment is normally much higher everywhere else it is sold.
I went this week and they had a special with their Panda/Dragon/Cobra/Tiger boxes. Grab any 4 for 175$. I sold two of them and got the 175$ back! So I technically got two free boxes!
FNRicky those assortments are crap. i wouldnt even sell them to my customers
Yeah man. Those assortments suck. Your best bet is getting wholesale Super King Pyros and what have you at Area 51 Fireworks...Red Apple is good for a lot of stuff but not Assortments
The only problem I had with Assortments is that in every one I would find things that I had absolutely no use for. The combined price of the stuff that I did like added up to less than what I would have paid for all of it. I just didn't need half the stuff. But this particular assortment is good, I just hate some of the Bombs by Big.
"65 dollars for the Quest 24 shit kit" lol. Thanks for the video Joel!
:)
Joel Robinson hilarious .
is it really shit? The video on it seems like they are just like all the other cannisters, excalibur, etc
BBQ Rando loves assortments, great job with the comparison Joel!
Damn I'm a few years behind, but we got the night display from black cat. 300, an 150 worth of free stuff. I got to pick what I wanted for free. 3 kids under 15. 6 adults. We shot for just over a hr. We was pretty impressed with what we got. Not was all Ariel cakes 200gm to a couple of 500gm. Also picked up a couple of 500gm heavyweight brothers cakes, an a shell kit. I believe it was pro line 76 supernova canisters. Can't remember. Worth 300 in our opinion
in my opinion, if you can actually find assortments with individually sold products (like the one shown in the video) by all means do the research because it can save you a lot of money. the assortments to watch out for are the rewraps of the products you dont see that is not sold individually. here in california, where our main supplier is TNT and a little bit of Phantom, the assortments contains most items that are not sold individually. because of course, they are all fountains. lol.
I don't buy any assortments because this year is the first year fireworks are legal in Iowa.
TheBowler_Plays meanwhile in California...
TheBowler_Plays yeah, had a friend yhat got busted being an idiot, seyying off shells at 3 am, cops took his stash and fined him.....
I still don't buy shells even though it's "legal" and my city put no restrictions on what can be fired because I'm afraid they'd find a way to complain anyway if I set off something that powerful in my yard.
So I stuck to rockets, spinners/chasers, and firecrackers. Also on the look out for some heavier-duty roman candles that fire mini-shell like charges because I had some at one point they were pretty impressive for how cheap they were.
Only rockets and sky lantern are not allowed where I am located.
Cryptid Productions yeah ok
Huge difference when you buy the kit. seems the way to go.
I wish we had stores like that where I am, love these vids Joel!
I only pick up the small cheap kits ,rockets and Roman Candle mostly because Im not a fan of 500 cakes feel 200's are the sweet spot fired alongside shells. I do about a 60/40 budget split in wholesale and retail so normally that means 2-3 cases then rockets,novalties,spinners,roman candles 3-5 cakes, and festivel balls from my go too retail spot.
THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS!!! I HAVE BEEN EYEING ON THAT MAX ASSORTMENT. NOW IM READY TO BUY IT 😂😂😂
been waiting long for someone to make a video about these assortment, let alone price comparisons... good looking out
I usually just buy the Jefferson Assortment from 76fireworks and have em delivered too my house? I have also bought TNT's Big Bang as well as Brothers Container Load
bought a couple of large phantom assortments, looking forward to the fourth
Ernest Hardison phantom is stupid overly priced. cakes/shell assortment is almost 900$
Ernest Hardison
Your sold your Soul to the Devil The Phantom is real advertisment no corporate lies there stands for your money disappearing & seeing nothing for it
Really informative video. Thank you!
I totally got ripped off buying this assortment at Phantom Fireworks recently. What is in the one they are selling is different than what is pictured here. It has some of the same cakes, but it doesn't have for instance Midnight, or the Quest shells. Also, the outer shipping cover says 699 shots, but unless I am missing something, I added together all of the fireworks, and they only add to 669 shots. I contacted Phantom's help desk about this, but I have yet to receive a reply back since sending it yesterday. I am really FUMED about this.
The items are the same they just rewrap some of them with different packaging but they are still the same product. I agree phantom is really over priced. The only time to shop there and that's if you have no other options is when they do buy one get 2. Then and only then are their prices closer, still higher but closer to other more reasonable stores regular prices. But no matter what sale you're still going to be paying more at phantom. Glad I found red apple and know that they ship anywhere in the us. So I will be ordering my fireworks online and have them shipped to my house from now on. Shipping is expensive 99 to 199 flat rate so you pay the same if your order is small or large. but if you're getting a few grand of pyro then it's still hundreds less then the upcharge and taxes that I have to pay here in pa at phantom. 18% state tax that I don't have to pay when ordering from red apple and also hundreds less on actual product that I save from the cheaper prices red apple offers especially on cases. If I spend 1k at phantom I have to pay $180 in tax. If I spend 2k I pay 360 in tax. And even with the buy one get 2 I still pay around 33 for a 500g cake. Red apple I can get a few cases and the avg price is around 18.50 per 500g cake. 5in canister shells 33 to 52 per unit red apple. 66 with phantoms buy 1 get 2. And I'm talking case prices but still. You can see If your buying a nice amount you can get double your amount for the same money spent even paying for shipping then you can at phantoms buy1get2 just paying their base prices. You spend hundreds more in markup there. Which will easily cover the shipping. And for me I don't have to pay the tax ontop the markup so I end up saving big. Basically I can get 60 500 gram cakes from red apple and have them shipped to my door for the same price I'd pay for 30 500g cakes at phantom stores during their buy one get 2 sales.
Depends on what you like in the assortment if there’s stuff you like in there then it’s worth buying
I agree with everthing you said. Just 1 thing, you get it cheaper for buying so much. Your spending $400 so you would get a discount or stuff thrown in for free (hopefully)
Even wholesale 500G will cost about $20 instead of $30-40 so you would spend probably over a grand to save a few hundred over their kit price. Just get the kit rather then buy 4 years worth. Around here, Hydrogen Bomb probably sells for $50-60 retail not $30. I've given up on retail here. Excalibur cost $75-100 retail here but I can get them for a little over $30 wholesale. I bought them retail at $50 but no longer at these prices.
I got 4 cases of the quest 24 canister shells for $105. THAT'S 96 SHELLS FOR $105.
4 cases or 4 kits?
@Red Fox Pyro Gotcha 👍
Hey joelI will have to send you a picture of my stash this year but I did what you did in warhawk fireworks I bought almost double the stuff of your stash and way too many cases Can't wait to see your stash this year!!!
You should do a Video like this but with the Alienator assortemt box.
Thanks for the tip! It seems reasonable but it's kinda confusing on why the store does that
I'd like to know the results from different stores to really compare. Most of the cakes in this assortment at Red Apple are also sold by the case, so you could probably get a better deal that way also.
Joel Robinson yeah that's understandable. Also you are so lucky to go to all those big stores because where I live there is not much
Red Apple/MotorCity Fireworks prices have skyrocketed. Most of those cakes use to sell for $20. I bought Stop-N_Go three years ago for $7. Hit Tthe Road Jack for $15. They use to carry Big Pro shells and got them for $32 a box. I still go to MotorCity but buy a lot less since they came out with their own products and jacked up the prices. Still good place to shop but getting expensive.
Tim Hughes At least you can buy by the case. That's the way I'd go.
Also thank you for your video on making racks. Used your design to make 40 racks. They work great and leave them as 10 or connect them to make any configuration up to what we can lift.
Joel Robinson wow i thought the prices were pretty good
$20 for 500 G or 200 G. Even wholesale Power Shells normally run $40 each or $160 for a case. Probably 3 times that retail.
really going up^^
320 for that kit is a steal WTF I could never get that for that price here in Louisiana.
always wondered this too.. thank you for doing this video this has taught me a lot
I bought a case of tiger/panda assortments came to about $30 each assortment. Not the best stuff but I buy them for my pyros in training (my boys) these assortments keep them busy for hours✌🏼
Yeah, those assortments have a decent variety of items to play with. Perfect for training the kids as you mentioned.
so how much exactly was it ? 1 year ago did it come with 4 inside one case ? redapple only selling 3 in a case now
If youre in Pahrump...straight up...Area 51 is where you get the good assortments at decent prices. Red Apple is good for other indis and cases...
It looks like the apartments are doing the wholesale price per item. So it's a way to get case prices but for one item instead of retail.
Good breakdown, not every assortment prices out this way but solid video. We messaged you on Twitter, hope you have a great 4th!
thanks for taking the time to do this... love the vids man
Joel is baaaaaaack!!!!!!!! Are there more videos to come?
Caleb Lackie98 Yep! A few were posted over the last 2 months also.
Awesome vid Joel thanks for the information im thinking about buying the brothers container load but wasn't sure if it was worth it I'm guessing it to be around 400 as well
timisruler1 you can get it for 234 dollars wholesale. look it up
Where is this at? Where I'm at those assortment kits sell for $900 or 2 for $1500, some places you can find them for 650 or 550 each that's the lowest
Joel I love your videos please keep making videos
I want one of the companies to start making a "that's illegal" pack that has nothing but stuff that's illegal in states with stupid laws for people that drive across state lines to buy fireworks. It wpukd have nothing but rockets, more rockets, artillery shells and aerial novelties.
Lol!
of course depends on what is actually in there but in my experience 90% of assortments are a waste of money containing mostly product that otherwise would never sell on their own.
the effects of most items usually are very weak and small, fountains last a good 2 seconds if they light at all, you know the deal... your typical ripoff. especially the case with most factory assembled assortments. store assembled ones however have a lot better chance to contain actual good product.
everything in this kit is 200-500 gram repeaters.... Brothers makes quality stuff too.... a lot of fireworks companies just rewrap brothers items and sell them as their own
Did you recently move Joel? I only ask because last year you were shopping in New Hampshire, this year in Nevada. Seems like a long way to drive.
Why was i getting this in my recommendations? Oh right, it's almost the 4th of July over there. If anyone is buying this kit, i'd really like to see how a 400 dollar firework kit in the U.S.A. looks like!? Have a nice holiday folks over there other side of the pond!
They had some great cakes in that box!! I get about 10% of what's in that box for 300... Cali life man.
Interesting. Thanks for the video.
Very informative video. Well done too. Thank you!
I really needed this!
But when I was in Montana 5-6 years ago, I got Saturn missiles and other cakes. I liked them.
the biggen assortment
$464 whole sale
$550 retail
says $750 worth inside..
found it can be cheaper at times... 25% off assortments at a sale = $412...
sooo for 21. cakes and 5 artillery shell kits, not a bad deal..
Can you do a info video on how to become a license pyro and steps to finding a job revolving fireworks.
Andrew Chittenden That is difficult because every state has different laws. If you're looking to do fireworks legally in your area I would call your local fire department, fire marshal, or police department to inquire. If you want to work for a display company, call your local company and ask if they have a training class you can attend since you're interested in shooting.
Joel Robinson Thank you so much!
That assortment is new for this year but Container Load is more maxed out.
Toriless I was actually thinking that that may be a prior-year assortment with the same stuff just a year older I guess not
No, both are 2017 products. They are different. Container Load is similar but contains twice as many 200G cakes but less 350G cakes. I can not use fan cake like Midnight, too many trees near by. I like to pick and choose a lot but often the prepacked is better since you only need to buy 1 of everything not 4 to 36 or whatever. Brothers does have a cake only package called The Deadly Dozen (BP-A085) which is a good choice depending on its cost since all those cake a pretty good but I'm not sure if any wholesaler carries it yet.
My source is the Brother Pyrotechnics web site. Do you know a more definitive source.
Good insight, keep the vids coming.
my name is Joel and I too love fireworks
thanks for that video, I've always had that question. 👍
Container Load wholesale is a great deal. Probably about $220 for 4 premium 500G and a dozen 200 G plus other items.
Cool Video , this is something iv always wanted to do but I have crappy stores near me. I wish I could find this asst in my neck of the woods. that $319 sale price is legit, stores near me this would be a $500-$550 sticker price all day long, all the stores around me in SE WI are just worried about maximum profit and nothing else, also they are the only 2 stores located in like a 40 mile radius and no new stores can get licensing so they have a monopoly going on, sucks .
Yes they are totally worth it
never bought assortments before in my life but after this I will be giving Them a try... next year ofc lol
Good deal save a lot buying the kit..
I’m still young but I spent around two bucks on fireworks do U think that was good
dude that was realy good to do..thanks for that bro.
thanks man appreciate it always wondered
Raccoon squad it’s some of the best raccoon cakes 200g and only for 125 and 13 cakes Individually it would be about 250 or around there love this video Joel nice my fellow pyro!! What’s your favorite assortment?
I rarely get assortments, but I must say I want to check out the raccoon assortment you're talking about haha
@@JoelRobinsonPyrotechnics yea I’m the same way man I gotta say the raccoon squad is amazing as u know raccoon is great brand and some great 200g cakes on there !! Il be posting demos of all of them plus ect but if u see it grab it !! It’s heavy!! To have good day brother
thats a good deal. all good stuff in it
For the casual user, assortments are great. There are a bunch of safer kid-friendly assortments that are a good value for kids. For anyone serious about pyro, assortments are crap. You get stuck with all one brand, usually not their best performing items, and it strips all choice from you. If you literally know nothing about fireworks, get an assortment. If you want actual choice in your purchases, don't get an assortment. Easy as that.
do they do heavy tax on it? or is it 320 even...kus u know how places say 320 then tax is like 50 dollars...or is it just a few bucks?
Star Spangled Novelties Mosinee, Wisconsin has The Max Assortment for $273.
That's a nice price! Retail?
Joel Robinson no they're actually a wholesale only place. Here's the link www.starspanglednovelties.com/index.html?status=viewfull
Yep, SSN and Victory Inc are legit unlike most. Both are in WI.
I live in Illinois 20min from south Beloit. What's the best place to buy them in Wisconsin? With good prices?
Subaru Wrx starspanglednovelties.com/index.html?status=viewfull has the best prices
How big is the ‘no smoking’ sign outside?
It is totally worth it
Very helpful
I get the 10 dollar one's but the retail is 30.00 dollars is this true?? Joel Robinson
Can the Max fit inside a car or do I need a truck?
Depends on how big your car is. Here are the dimensions: 60.5 L × 35.0 W × 9.0 H in inches.
If only assortments were this good at TNT, if you buy an assortment there it's like all fountains and maybe a cake even for the really expensive ones
Thanks bro for this video
They want like 600-700 for that in Louisiana lol. Crazy.
You should do firework your at B.J. Alan fireworks. This year can you please please please get the LOCK AND LOAD and compare it with the other canister shells. Thank you!
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can you do the video on tnt or phantoms assortments? specifically the tnt one at sams club/cosco, and the newyorker assortment by phantom
I'll keep an eye out for those!
Joel how much. Are a gross of bottle rockets??? 144 pieces please help