The Dragon = Moloch = Wetiko/Wendigo = McGilchrist's Left Hemisphere Dominance. Congealing was described by George Carlin when he was interviewed on a panel discussion. where he said 'there doesn't need to be a formal conspiracy when interests are aligned'.
This is truly an inspired approach to socioeconomics! Everything is thoroughly integrated and built around human nature and organic growth. I love everything about this framework and I'm here for this series! 👏
Very interesting approach. We are certainly looking forward to how it evolves. I am curious to see how we construct St. George, who will be needed I suppose.
The movie, Who Killed the Electronic Car, a documentary about the Chevy Volt is a great example of congeal. The answer to the quest who killed the car is, everyone and no one. Many forces working from fear, without officially coordinating, worked together to kill the electric car.
Have you published any writing on this theory you're about to lay out? I checked your faculty profile page but didn't see any publications on these kinds of topics. Either way, I'm excited to see more of this. Your use of groups defined by distinct salience frames seems to me (at least at first glance) like a very valid and potentially fruitful generalization of the Marxist notion of class consciousness, with congealing itself a generalization of classes manifestly expressing their interests and subconsciously driving the system. It also seems to me like there are parallels to be made between congealing and the cybernetics notion of emergence. Also your notion of the dragon is what I've been sort of seeing as the emergence of a new intelligence arising (congealing?) from the self preserving drive of the mode of production itself. Ian Wright identified it before me and calls it a Real god. Both he (and I) have videos on it, if you're interested. Ian also has blog posts on it. This is exciting to me because the best evidence of real emergence in the world is multiple people identifying it simultaneously!
To sum up your point as I understood it: the stated motivations of a group that is part of "the dragon", such as value system-based arguments, can often be logically unrelated to the true underlying cause of the group's actions towards other groups inside "the dragon". A typical underlying cause would be money flows, as money is a universal resource that all groups want, although there are other resources such as technical expertise or institutional power. And typically it is the leadership stratum of a group that highly influences the group's agenda in response to such outside pressures, resulting in a "congealing" tendency in such situations.
I'm currently studying Lacan and category theory (I'm a mathematician by training) and I find this approach inspiring. It makes me want to do a more thorough operationalization of your framework. I've even come across an interesting paper on "Hegelian topology" that might be finally useful! 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤯🤯🤯
i love this so far! I have a background in psychology so ive been trying to find ways to connect our current economic system to mental health and human suffering and the "dragon" is a great analogy for this
I’m very intrigued by your analogy and what it may reveal in future videos. Are there specific background resources you would recommend? ETA: I should have looked at the video description/notes! A link to a playlist is already there.
Well done. Game theory and status- This is how you criticize capitalism without getting killed or defunded. You're right congeal is accurate, but it does sound like a conspiracy of Jell-O.
Every school has a headmaster who dictates a mission to new members. All organisations, nations, religions etc are like this in history - this hasn't changed today, it's just become banished knowledge.
Where did you learn about it and what resources could you share that explain want you are talking about as banished knowledge? Are you thinking of something like organizational design or something different? What analogies and insights do you think are most important to share about this older knowledge?
How does Planned Obsolescence affect poliecon? How many politicians can figure out planned obsolescence in automobiles? Years ago I asked a PhD economist to explain how an automobile engine worked. He couldn't even start, but he drove a white SUV. Where is the data on the annual depreciation of automobiles since Sputnik?
@@rumfordc I see now. Funny thing about universities and poliecon. They mention this Adam Smith guy but he used the word 'education' Eighty Times and wrote "read, write and ACCOUNT" multiple times. I have not noticed universities advocating mandatory accounting in high schools.
Great video. Great theory. Great insights. Thank you very much for sharing intellectual food. ❤ And sorry for having called your pronunciation and intonation as 'accent'. For me as a European it just doesn't sound 'typical American'. In any case: I like it. ❤
You sure thought this through. And yes, it makes sense about the congealing. "Publish or perish" is usually how that dynamic was transformed. Now it seems to be more about getting grants. So the person gets prestige by publishing, which makes it easier to get grants who then are transformed into research. Of course that research is not necessarily about the values the University professes. Like it's well known nobody try to reproduce research anymore, which undermines the scientific method, because there are no incentives to do so. Same with original research, it's rarely done anymore, it always has to be in the trend area.
If you don't understand how God - the purple dragon who architected the simulation multiverse - set up the game we're playing now, you're liable to get pulled into some very dark atheistic hive mind as the finale of the apocalypso dance contest approaches
Most things are good _and_ bad in varying degrees, depending on intended and unintended effects, and on the values of the evaluator. This is also true of the dragon as a whole, combining the attributes of Western and Eastern dragons. Also it is a shapeshifter, because all of its organs are constantly morphing, and some die and others come into being as time passes.
Tradeoffs to be sure, but the narrative that shapes the opinions is probably more in play in whether it is a good witch or a bad witch. You could probably make an evaluation just based upon the propaganda being told without any comprehension of the thing itself.
@@quintessenceSL The witch is some combination of good and bad in varying degrees. A purely bad witch would never offer anything of value in exchange for what they want, they would just take it. You are an evaluator, do you operate on an assumption that the propaganda is all true?
@@quintessenceSL Bad witches don't offer things of value in exchange for what they want, they just take it. Do you evaluate based on an assumption that the propaganda is true?
@@teeletsetse445 Not the way I mean it here. I mean, is the model more useful than just our own unthought out, semi-educated intuition about things. It might be that people have a better understanding of things before they formalize a complex theory. Many psychological theories of the past were worse than folk psychology. Many ideas of political economy are probably worse than folk political economy. Mainly I just don't think it should be assumed that because each step seems logical, that means that as a whole it makes a functioning theory.
a dialectic may be happening here between the human archetypes of fatalistic nihilism, conservational-preservationist skepticism, creative-progressive problem solving, etc. (whatever it may be). Indeed mistakes have been made in the past, and there are also utilitarian and non-utilitarian benefits to our previous and current lifestyles that we should work to preserve. Yet much progress has been achieved in other ways by breaking "new" ground, sometimes even due to the said mistakes of the past -- this is not to justify the deliberate application of wrongdoing, or to contribute further to the all-too-common horrors of the amoral or supra-moral trajectory of human history, and primordial pre-history ; it is merely to state a paradoxical truism. In fact, there is now popular disdain for the lack of risk-taking in various industries, isn't that ironic? And doing nothing [in terms of socio-political or existential issues] can be as dangerous as reckless optimism, or perhaps worse - an act of desperation. We have some time yet to plan and design a lifeboat. If you think the ship is still sturdy then there is probably nothing of value I can say. Even the catastrophes of today are subject to irreconcilable interpretations - prophecy is warring with science, and vice versa -- for hermeneutic supremacy ; the unrelenting faiths and scientific observations behind our convictions. Designs should be well thought out, but even then, there will always remain an element of faith in any decision ; something that even preserves the fossilized living relic our of mythic-religious and magic-primordial selves. We all cherish that in our own way, "secular" or "otherwise", in whatever manner of faith we maintain.
As a person much enamoured with dragons I would like to request that we instead use the much more conceptually consistent metaphor of a septic water filtration system? Then again do I want to live in a political economy like a proud water dragon or one like a pipe factory… hmm? I shall tickle my sternum Looking in the mirror all day about that
This is truly an inspired approach to socioeconomics! Everything is thoroughly integrated and built around human nature and organic growth. I love everything about this framework and I'm here for this series! 👏
The Dragon = Moloch = Wetiko/Wendigo = McGilchrist's Left Hemisphere Dominance.
Congealing was described by George Carlin when he was interviewed on a panel discussion. where he said 'there doesn't need to be a formal conspiracy when interests are aligned'.
This is truly an inspired approach to socioeconomics! Everything is thoroughly integrated and built around human nature and organic growth. I love everything about this framework and I'm here for this series! 👏
Very interesting approach. We are certainly looking forward to how it evolves. I am curious to see how we construct St. George, who will be needed I suppose.
The movie, Who Killed the Electronic Car, a documentary about the Chevy Volt is a great example of congeal. The answer to the quest who killed the car is, everyone and no one. Many forces working from fear, without officially coordinating, worked together to kill the electric car.
Have you published any writing on this theory you're about to lay out? I checked your faculty profile page but didn't see any publications on these kinds of topics. Either way, I'm excited to see more of this. Your use of groups defined by distinct salience frames seems to me (at least at first glance) like a very valid and potentially fruitful generalization of the Marxist notion of class consciousness, with congealing itself a generalization of classes manifestly expressing their interests and subconsciously driving the system. It also seems to me like there are parallels to be made between congealing and the cybernetics notion of emergence. Also your notion of the dragon is what I've been sort of seeing as the emergence of a new intelligence arising (congealing?) from the self preserving drive of the mode of production itself. Ian Wright identified it before me and calls it a Real god. Both he (and I) have videos on it, if you're interested. Ian also has blog posts on it. This is exciting to me because the best evidence of real emergence in the world is multiple people identifying it simultaneously!
To sum up your point as I understood it: the stated motivations of a group that is part of "the dragon", such as value system-based arguments, can often be logically unrelated to the true underlying cause of the group's actions towards other groups inside "the dragon". A typical underlying cause would be money flows, as money is a universal resource that all groups want, although there are other resources such as technical expertise or institutional power. And typically it is the leadership stratum of a group that highly influences the group's agenda in response to such outside pressures, resulting in a "congealing" tendency in such situations.
I just stumbled upon your new channel I like it It's still academic but a lot easier to digest for those that are not too far advanced.
I'm currently studying Lacan and category theory (I'm a mathematician by training) and I find this approach inspiring. It makes me want to do a more thorough operationalization of your framework. I've even come across an interesting paper on "Hegelian topology" that might be finally useful! 🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤓🤯🤯🤯
a timeless metaphor, well presented. i'll be adding "congealing" to my vocab as a fallback for when the more intentful alternative is not allowed.
Highly interested to see how this entire series 'congeals'!. All the best, looking forward to this
I'm excited about this. Thanks for what you do!
i love this so far! I have a background in psychology so ive been trying to find ways to connect our current economic system to mental health and human suffering and the "dragon" is a great analogy for this
You make beautiful metaphors!
Perfect outro after a great video
Thanks Ashley looking forward to this very much
Enter the Dragon 🐉
Great presentation
Thank you
Thanks for the video Ashley.
I’m very intrigued by your analogy and what it may reveal in future videos.
Are there specific background resources you would recommend?
ETA: I should have looked at the video description/notes! A link to a playlist is already there.
Well done. Game theory and status- This is how you criticize capitalism without getting killed or defunded. You're right congeal is accurate, but it does sound like a conspiracy of Jell-O.
Reminds me of the mathematical dragon curve fractal made by simple rules
Every school has a headmaster who dictates a mission to new members. All organisations, nations, religions etc are like this in history - this hasn't changed today, it's just become banished knowledge.
Where did you learn about it and what resources could you share that explain want you are talking about as banished knowledge?
Are you thinking of something like organizational design or something different?
What analogies and insights do you think are most important to share about this older knowledge?
I'm eager to hear you flesh out the consequences of Nash Equilibria.
I'm not sure if I quite understand what you are saying, but I like the direction you're headed in.
Excellent video
This Channel is doing God's work, truly, this is the exact kind of thinking we need right now
@@brian5001 What?, what does this comment even relate to?
Where can I get a copy of that dragon picture!
How does Planned Obsolescence affect poliecon? How many politicians can figure out planned obsolescence in automobiles?
Years ago I asked a PhD economist to explain how an automobile engine worked.
He couldn't even start, but he drove a white SUV.
Where is the data on the annual depreciation of automobiles since Sputnik?
that sounds like a congealing to me
@@rumfordc
congealing ???
@@psikeyhackr6914 lol i take it you didn't finish the video, its explained at 10:53
@@rumfordc
I see now. Funny thing about universities and poliecon. They mention this Adam Smith guy but he used the word 'education' Eighty Times and wrote "read, write and ACCOUNT" multiple times.
I have not noticed universities advocating mandatory accounting in high schools.
Great video. Great theory. Great insights. Thank you very much for sharing intellectual food. ❤ And sorry for having called your pronunciation and intonation as 'accent'. For me as a European it just doesn't sound 'typical American'. In any case: I like it. ❤
Very interesting video thank you!
I think the concept of quorum sensing in microbiology might be related to the congealing idea you're presenting
You sure thought this through.
And yes, it makes sense about the congealing. "Publish or perish" is usually how that dynamic was transformed. Now it seems to be more about getting grants. So the person gets prestige by publishing, which makes it easier to get grants who then are transformed into research. Of course that research is not necessarily about the values the University professes. Like it's well known nobody try to reproduce research anymore, which undermines the scientific method, because there are no incentives to do so. Same with original research, it's rarely done anymore, it always has to be in the trend area.
I would argue the dragon is a pet of moloch
If you don't understand how God - the purple dragon who architected the simulation multiverse - set up the game we're playing now, you're liable to get pulled into some very dark atheistic hive mind as the finale of the apocalypso dance contest approaches
No, it was Santa Clause that pulled the strings.
Where is your accent from?
Most things are good _and_ bad in varying degrees, depending on intended and unintended effects, and on the values of the evaluator. This is also true of the dragon as a whole, combining the attributes of Western and Eastern dragons. Also it is a shapeshifter, because all of its organs are constantly morphing, and some die and others come into being as time passes.
Tradeoffs to be sure, but the narrative that shapes the opinions is probably more in play in whether it is a good witch or a bad witch.
You could probably make an evaluation just based upon the propaganda being told without any comprehension of the thing itself.
@@quintessenceSL The witch is some combination of good and bad in varying degrees. A purely bad witch would never offer anything of value in exchange for what they want, they would just take it. You are an evaluator, do you operate on an assumption that the propaganda is all true?
@@quintessenceSL Bad witches don't offer things of value in exchange for what they want, they just take it. Do you evaluate based on an assumption that the propaganda is true?
How would you decide if this model is more useful than common sense?
Isn't the model an attempt at building common sense (a shared understanding)?
@@teeletsetse445 Not the way I mean it here. I mean, is the model more useful than just our own unthought out, semi-educated intuition about things. It might be that people have a better understanding of things before they formalize a complex theory. Many psychological theories of the past were worse than folk psychology. Many ideas of political economy are probably worse than folk political economy. Mainly I just don't think it should be assumed that because each step seems logical, that means that as a whole it makes a functioning theory.
a dialectic may be happening here between the human archetypes of fatalistic nihilism, conservational-preservationist skepticism, creative-progressive problem solving, etc. (whatever it may be). Indeed mistakes have been made in the past, and there are also utilitarian and non-utilitarian benefits to our previous and current lifestyles that we should work to preserve. Yet much progress has been achieved in other ways by breaking "new" ground, sometimes even due to the said mistakes of the past -- this is not to justify the deliberate application of wrongdoing, or to contribute further to the all-too-common horrors of the amoral or supra-moral trajectory of human history, and primordial pre-history ; it is merely to state a paradoxical truism. In fact, there is now popular disdain for the lack of risk-taking in various industries, isn't that ironic? And doing nothing [in terms of socio-political or existential issues] can be as dangerous as reckless optimism, or perhaps worse - an act of desperation. We have some time yet to plan and design a lifeboat. If you think the ship is still sturdy then there is probably nothing of value I can say. Even the catastrophes of today are subject to irreconcilable interpretations - prophecy is warring with science, and vice versa -- for hermeneutic supremacy ; the unrelenting faiths and scientific observations behind our convictions. Designs should be well thought out, but even then, there will always remain an element of faith in any decision ; something that even preserves the fossilized living relic our of mythic-religious and magic-primordial selves. We all cherish that in our own way, "secular" or "otherwise", in whatever manner of faith we maintain.
Great! Three is questionable.
As a person much enamoured with dragons I would like to request that we instead use the much more conceptually consistent metaphor of a septic water filtration system? Then again do I want to live in a political economy like a proud water dragon or one like a pipe factory… hmm? I shall tickle my sternum
Looking in the mirror all day about that
I like the dragon!
Such tasty brain nom noms!
The sky serpent eats its tail..
Reminiscent of Hobbs Levitation.
DNC RNC is 2 sides of the same coin or left and right sides of the same arse cheeks
Wilson Ronald Smith Anthony Hernandez Michelle
Moloch
elaborate asf. 👁🫦👁
This is truly an inspired approach to socioeconomics! Everything is thoroughly integrated and built around human nature and organic growth. I love everything about this framework and I'm here for this series! 👏