Thank you for having done this. I have been looking for how the film comes out and loads in on the Cine 16 magazines. I'm surprised none of the film photography nerd channels have tackled this one. (They need to.)
i dont have any film cameras, nor money to buy or develop them... yet i find this very fascinating to watch. these machines are magic, man.. thanx for sharing :]
Hey Tony I loved this video because it's exactly what I need. If you're still about to answer a few questions I'd love to get some things cleared up. 1) I've recently gotten hold of a B&H 16mm-200 and was wondering if you know what kind of film this camera took - if it was 16mm double perf or single perf - I just realised while typing this I could check by opening the catrtidge inside and checking the perfs/film that's already on it - but before I do that (I wont have it in person for a month or two) I was wondering if you knew. 2) Any ideas on how to load a 100m reel into one of these? I can only seem to find double perf at 100ft, or single perf at 100ft also. Would it be a process of getting both spools in a darkroom/bag & winding 50ft of reel onto an empty 50ft spool, cutting it and then doing your process here? Thanks for your time, this video was super helpful regardless :)
So far that I can tell, looking at where the star is on this magazine, it would pretty much have to be double perf. Single perf would either not have perfs for the gate, or not have them for the star wheel, as they appear to pull on opposite sides. ...speaking of which, I will have to see if the star wheel can be turned over so that the star is on bottom. Then, single perf will be fair game.
@@AWcinema - Forgive the ignorant question, I know nothing about working with film in a darkroom , but Is it possible to load it in a darkroom with a red safelight (probably not, eh, or you would have mentioned it in the video ...) or must it be in total darkness ? -- Thank you for the video , very informative ...but where can I obtain fresh double-perf 16mm film ? (I mean color double-perf ... I know I can get Fomapan double-perf 16mm) . I have a Kodak 16mm magazine camera , but have never used it because I didn't know how to get film in magazines for it. If I do buy some empty mags on eBay and load them with film as shown , can you recommend any labs that handle these 16mm mags ?
@@AWcinema - Thanks . It must be a special order item, because I looked at Pro8mm's website and they don't have any double-perf 16mm listed , only single-perf. I'll email them to find out if they can still get it . While researching 50' ft. mags today I also came across some forum posts where people reported using single-perf 16mm film in these mags with an alternative threading path that bypasses the sprockets ... which seems counter-intuitive (like it wouldn't have steady registration) but several people claim they've done it and it works. The idea seems to first appear in an issue of Home Movies magazine from November 1948 , page 593 . (it can be found on mediahistoryproject .org ) The alternative threading path for single-perf is simpler , so it seems like it would be easier to do in the dark. I'm going to try both ways, with double-perf and single-perf. I appreciate your informative video.
Hi, Im from México. I do have a magazine with a green tag on the front, that means is an empty magazine, I mean a never used magazine? Or there is a possibility that the magazine is half used? Thanks
I did learn how to load these magazines, however, the camera shutter is out of sync and needs something more than I can do. I can oil the camera and alter the shutter but still get smeared vertical images. Can someone fix the cameras?
I would like to know the same. May do better to hit Reddit and search for some communities there, and maybe ask on Film Photography Project somewhere. So far, I've been seeing most just suggest you throw that camera out and find another one. I would say follow half that advice--find another camera for now, but hang on to that one and maybe see if you can pass it off to someone who restores old cameras. These things are only getting more rare by the day.
i almost would think you could buy a 50ft 16mm spool (they exist, but there kinda rare) so that you could load this in the light, im going to try to experiment doing that
Yeah, how would you load in single perf? Or modify the camera to load in single perf? Someone told me the 1948 November issue of Home Movies magazine explained it in step by step photos, but I can’t seem to find that issue anywhere :(
@@thelivingmanpart2 - you can find it here: vsrv01.mediahistoryproject.org/nontheatrical/index.html Scroll down to Home Movies and Professional Cine Photographer (1934-1954) , it's in the Nov. 1948 issue, page 593 . You can read it online or download the whole volume.
If anyone is interested. We process these things...not new ones - mostly ones found in estates after a death in the family. We through about 5 to 10 of these magazines out each month. We used to keep them but we couldn't ever find anyone that wanted them. Anyway...contact us if you need them. www.filmrescue.com
Does anyone offer this service anymore? I live in LA and the place I used to go to doesn't do it because the one guy who did it retired. I have 10 cartridges that I need loaded by April. I can pay you.
@@MezeiEugen Nobody can develop Kodachrome anymore. And even if they could, it's so far beyond it's useful life, the best you could hope for is some vague shadows. The film was dead from the start.
@@UncleDon226 He says expired 1964. That is young film for bw. And Kodachrome is a black and white film. No, you would get vague shadows if you develop today a film exposed back then. The latent image would be very faded. But it is totally different when exposing old film today and developing it. You may have some fog on it, but the image will be clear and perfectly visible.
@@MezeiEugen "70 years past expiration is young" says the film expert. "Kodachrome is black and white film" he says. Hey Siri, google 'Kodachrome' and tell me what the first sentence says.
Thank you for having done this. I have been looking for how the film comes out and loads in on the Cine 16 magazines. I'm surprised none of the film photography nerd channels have tackled this one. (They need to.)
Very helpful I found some of these magazines and an old camera and wondered how to load it with unexposed film.
It now works.
Thank you for this video, I spent the last 20min trying to find a video that explained how to reload these magazines! Thank you!
Best illustration right here. Thank you A&W.
i dont have any film cameras, nor money to buy or develop them... yet i find this very fascinating to watch. these machines are magic, man.. thanx for sharing :]
Thanks for this video! I’d love to see more on your device for loading the film
again, thank you for this...I don't know if I would have been able to figure this out on my own, haha. But Where's the rest of the video?
Thank you very much sir. I have reborn a Reveree model 26 with your help. Very, very helpful. Thank you!!!
Thats way cool Greg i will keep you in mind
Hey Tony I loved this video because it's exactly what I need. If you're still about to answer a few questions I'd love to get some things cleared up.
1) I've recently gotten hold of a B&H 16mm-200 and was wondering if you know what kind of film this camera took - if it was 16mm double perf or single perf - I just realised while typing this I could check by opening the catrtidge inside and checking the perfs/film that's already on it - but before I do that (I wont have it in person for a month or two) I was wondering if you knew.
2) Any ideas on how to load a 100m reel into one of these? I can only seem to find double perf at 100ft, or single perf at 100ft also. Would it be a process of getting both spools in a darkroom/bag & winding 50ft of reel onto an empty 50ft spool, cutting it and then doing your process here?
Thanks for your time, this video was super helpful regardless :)
So far that I can tell, looking at where the star is on this magazine, it would pretty much have to be double perf. Single perf would either not have perfs for the gate, or not have them for the star wheel, as they appear to pull on opposite sides. ...speaking of which, I will have to see if the star wheel can be turned over so that the star is on bottom. Then, single perf will be fair game.
Definitely double perf.
Where did you purchase a brand new one from? Could you point me in that direction id like to buy some
Superb!Cheers!
Man...that cart is such a challenge to load, I am not rookie at all when it comes to load carts, but this one......in dark!!!
Petko Iordanov LOL I know it's a tuff one I would love to see how they did thousands every day a the Kodak factory
@@AWcinema - Forgive the ignorant question, I know nothing about working with film in a darkroom , but Is it possible to load it in a darkroom with a red safelight (probably not, eh, or you would have mentioned it in the video ...) or must it be in total darkness ? -- Thank you for the video , very informative ...but where can I obtain fresh double-perf 16mm film ? (I mean color double-perf ... I know I can get Fomapan double-perf 16mm) . I have a Kodak 16mm magazine camera , but have never used it because I didn't know how to get film in magazines for it. If I do buy some empty mags on eBay and load them with film as shown , can you recommend any labs that handle these 16mm mags ?
MrBongers yes the best lace to buy 16mm DBL perf is "PRO 8 MM" in the city of Burbank CA the ship worldwide and the have a web site too
@@AWcinema - Thanks . It must be a special order item, because I looked at Pro8mm's website and they don't have any double-perf 16mm listed , only single-perf. I'll email them to find out if they can still get it . While researching 50' ft. mags today I also came across some forum posts where people reported using single-perf 16mm film in these mags with an alternative threading path that bypasses the sprockets ... which seems counter-intuitive (like it wouldn't have steady registration) but several people claim they've done it and it works. The idea seems to first appear in an issue of Home Movies magazine from November 1948 , page 593 . (it can be found on mediahistoryproject .org ) The alternative threading path for single-perf is simpler , so it seems like it would be easier to do in the dark. I'm going to try both ways, with double-perf and single-perf. I appreciate your informative video.
hi
this is a rare camera and a rare demo
thank ver much
i just bought this camera
hope i will be shoot
bye
Hi, Im from México. I do have a magazine with a green tag on the front, that means is an empty magazine, I mean a never used magazine? Or there is a possibility that the magazine is half used? Thanks
Juan Carlos Landa Espinoza the green tape is to let you know the it has never been opened. but it doesn't let you know if it's used film or new
@@AWcinema Thank you very much. This information helps me a lot.
Is this the double 8mm magazine? They used 16mm film exposed both sides. If this isn't the 8mm magazine, could you do a video on it? Thanks much!
Is there any way to developed the already exposed film?
Yes you can mail your film to this company in Burbank California
www.pro8mm.com/
I did learn how to load these magazines, however, the camera shutter is out of sync and needs something more than I can do. I can oil the camera and alter the shutter but still get smeared vertical images. Can someone fix the cameras?
I would like to know the same. May do better to hit Reddit and search for some communities there, and maybe ask on Film Photography Project somewhere.
So far, I've been seeing most just suggest you throw that camera out and find another one. I would say follow half that advice--find another camera for now, but hang on to that one and maybe see if you can pass it off to someone who restores old cameras. These things are only getting more rare by the day.
Now 3 years later I no longer know which camera that was.
Did you ever do the follow up video to this ?
Carl Richards sorry my friend I didn't I. a slacker..lol
how about the pin for the counter, where does it go?
i almost would think you could buy a 50ft 16mm spool (they exist, but there kinda rare) so that you could load this in the light, im going to try to experiment doing that
Does a magazine need to use specifically dual perforated film?
No.. standard 16mm dull perf
@@AWcinema But no single perf, correct? It must be a 50ft reel of dual perf?
Duel perf works better
Where's the end of the video...?
Any idea why the film reel in my cartridge is on the left spool instead of the right and how I can load it?
That means it's used or exposed all ready
@@AWcinema Ohh!
@@AWcinema Thank you. I just ordered a Keystone K-50 today to experiment with.
@@AWcinema If I move the reel to the right spool, the cover doesn't seem to fit right. Why would that be?
@@thisbreadneedsmorejam583 not sure?
Can you use single perf film or modify the magazine?
noytheyah you can but you have to modify the rollers
Which rollers? the perf sprockets? Did you make a video on your easy loading device? Thanks for making this video!
But cutting one side of the rollers?
Yeah, how would you load in single perf? Or modify the camera to load in single perf?
Someone told me the 1948 November issue of Home Movies magazine explained it in step by step photos, but I can’t seem to find that issue anywhere :(
@@thelivingmanpart2 - you can find it here: vsrv01.mediahistoryproject.org/nontheatrical/index.html Scroll down to Home Movies and Professional Cine Photographer (1934-1954) , it's in the Nov. 1948 issue, page 593 . You can read it online or download the whole volume.
If anyone is interested. We process these things...not new ones - mostly ones found in estates after a death in the family. We through about 5 to 10 of these magazines out each month. We used to keep them but we couldn't ever find anyone that wanted them. Anyway...contact us if you need them. www.filmrescue.com
+Greg Miller I'll take them. I just send an email to mail@ fri
where can you buy 50ft 16mm rolls?
Does anyone offer this service anymore? I live in LA and the place I used to go to doesn't do it because the one guy who did it retired. I have 10 cartridges that I need loaded by April. I can pay you.
+A Hunt Visit retrocine.com. They do a great job and only charge $10!
this is dope!
Fine video but a pity that the film waited in that casette for 50 years and than comes a guy along and burns it.
It was unusable at this point. Better to have new film installed and get some use out of the magazine than to attempt to develop Kodak Nothing 200
@@UncleDon226 Well, every film is unusable at the point you open his casette in light. The moment just before it was perfectly usable.
@@MezeiEugen Nobody can develop Kodachrome anymore. And even if they could, it's so far beyond it's useful life, the best you could hope for is some vague shadows. The film was dead from the start.
@@UncleDon226 He says expired 1964. That is young film for bw. And Kodachrome is a black and white film.
No, you would get vague shadows if you develop today a film exposed back then. The latent image would be very faded. But it is totally different when exposing old film today and developing it. You may have some fog on it, but the image will be clear and perfectly visible.
@@MezeiEugen "70 years past expiration is young" says the film expert. "Kodachrome is black and white film" he says.
Hey Siri, google 'Kodachrome' and tell me what the first sentence says.
The cameras and magazines are easily found, but for the life of me, I cant find the film!
+RASVW Retrocine.com and Toeppenfilm.com