Well said brother. The additional benefit is that coming back to the HCR position enable you to obtain a greater field of view over the weapon to ensure the threat has been properly eliminated prior to beginning the hunt for the next threat.
I just began recently working my pistol movement that way because of over travel. Gabe, you are absolutely correct. It made my target acquisition and transition much smoother
I definitely see merit in this technique but I’ve been a proponent of low ready when working with and around teammates to reduce the chance of covering your mates. Another tool in the toolbox. Thanks for your content
I'm not going to put too fine a point on it, but offer this analogy: When the gymnast or figure skater wants to rotate faster, they bring their arms in closer to the trunk of the body. The overall dynamic stability of the platform is also enhanced, just as a fast-spinning bullet is more stable than a slow-spinning bullet. The difference in time-to-target is probably so small as to be meaningless outside of a competition environment. The real issue is stability.
Eyes follow the gun. Just look where you want to shoot and the dot will land where you are looking. You need to dry fire and lead with your eyes. Bringing in the gun then punching out is slower and not as efficient. Shot timers dont lie and getting a quick accurate shot on target wins gun fights.
Under perfect circumstances. He talks about leaving less chance of failure in high stress situations. Do you sometimes overshoot a target? Will you make more mistakes when you're in fear for your life and family? He didn't mention this just for rds, but target transitions in general within that context. This is for 'oh shit' moments. Not everything translates 100% from one set of goals to others. Can one shoot predictive with far below 0.2 splits? Does it makes sense if your brain can't stop in between shots if you're responsible for every shot and fragment? So you slow it slightly down. The higher ensured success outweighs the efficiency that leaves more room for mistakes.
Agree 100%. The computer mouse cursor analogy is a really good one for the point you’re making. We look at what we want to click and our hand moves the cursor to the spot; we don’t stare at the cursor while we drag it across the screen. Snatching the pistol back to a retention position during transition creates unnecessary disruption to an otherwise established mount. Something I’ve been playing with is trying to move the axis of rotation outward from my hips/spine to somewhere closer to my elbows. By using a very wide stance (better for position exit anyway) I can tilt/rotate my body opposite the direction of the gun in transition. I haven’t decided if there’s an actual advantage to the technique yet but it FEELS faster.
@@nbonner75 you guys are thinking range work with targets downrange. Stop that and think street with enemies anywhere they want to be. Sport and combat are not the same...
@@suareztactics I agree that competition is not combat… but all combat IS a competition. We learn from what works regardless of the source, right? If we’re talking about a “search and assess”, I’m with you on recovering to a retention position to keep my field of view as open as possible and to avoid flagging noncombatants. However, if I have another threat/target, there’s absolutely no advantage to adding extra steps into the transition. Unless we're talking figure skating, my hips and shoulders don’t rotate any slower with my arms extended than they do with them pulled close. And if I lower my gun, I have added extra movement TWICE (lower and retract just to have to raise and extend again once I pivot). The only downside to keeping the gun mounted is if it’s occluding my vision. However, the “eyes lead and gun follows” approach completely mitigates that risk. I know you test everything against real world metrics. Hopefully you'll do that with this concept as well.
No...combat is not competition. You guys are stuck in the range paradigm. Combat is killing via the proper application of tactics and marksmanship. A part of tactica is maneuvering to get the muzzle on target. Get a yard stick out and measure the distance the muzzle travels. And I am not "going to retention". I am.simply bring the weapon in to enable.driving to rather than swinging to a target. @@nbonner75
Well said brother. The additional benefit is that coming back to the HCR position enable you to obtain a greater field of view over the weapon to ensure the threat has been properly eliminated prior to beginning the hunt for the next threat.
👍 I think this approach is also beneficial for weapon retention!
I just began recently working my pistol movement that way because of over travel. Gabe, you are absolutely correct. It made my target acquisition and transition much smoother
GREAT info Gabe
Thank you !!
Thank you Gabe. Excellent concept. I’ll be putting this to practice 👍🏽
I definitely see merit in this technique but I’ve been a proponent of low ready when working with and around teammates to reduce the chance of covering your mates.
Another tool in the toolbox.
Thanks for your content
I'm not going to put too fine a point on it, but offer this analogy:
When the gymnast or figure skater wants to rotate faster, they bring their arms in closer to the trunk of the body. The overall dynamic stability of the platform is also enhanced, just as a fast-spinning bullet is more stable than a slow-spinning bullet.
The difference in time-to-target is probably so small as to be meaningless outside of a competition environment. The real issue is stability.
Very interesting comparison!!
Makes a lot of sense, a much better balanced way of engaging different targets
👌👌👌👌👌
Good info, thank you sir.
Eyes follow the gun. Just look where you want to shoot and the dot will land where you are looking. You need to dry fire and lead with your eyes. Bringing in the gun then punching out is slower and not as efficient. Shot timers dont lie and getting a quick accurate shot on target wins gun fights.
Under perfect circumstances. He talks about leaving less chance of failure in high stress situations. Do you sometimes overshoot a target? Will you make more mistakes when you're in fear for your life and family? He didn't mention this just for rds, but target transitions in general within that context. This is for 'oh shit' moments.
Not everything translates 100% from one set of goals to others. Can one shoot predictive with far below 0.2 splits? Does it makes sense if your brain can't stop in between shots if you're responsible for every shot and fragment? So you slow it slightly down.
The higher ensured success outweighs the efficiency that leaves more room for mistakes.
Agree 100%. The computer mouse cursor analogy is a really good one for the point you’re making. We look at what we want to click and our hand moves the cursor to the spot; we don’t stare at the cursor while we drag it across the screen.
Snatching the pistol back to a retention position during transition creates unnecessary disruption to an otherwise established mount.
Something I’ve been playing with is trying to move the axis of rotation outward from my hips/spine to somewhere closer to my elbows. By using a very wide stance (better for position exit anyway) I can tilt/rotate my body opposite the direction of the gun in transition. I haven’t decided if there’s an actual advantage to the technique yet but it FEELS faster.
@@nbonner75 you guys are thinking range work with targets downrange. Stop that and think street with enemies anywhere they want to be. Sport and combat are not the same...
@@suareztactics I agree that competition is not combat… but all combat IS a competition. We learn from what works regardless of the source, right?
If we’re talking about a “search and assess”, I’m with you on recovering to a retention position to keep my field of view as open as possible and to avoid flagging noncombatants. However, if I have another threat/target, there’s absolutely no advantage to adding extra steps into the transition. Unless we're talking figure skating, my hips and shoulders don’t rotate any slower with my arms extended than they do with them pulled close. And if I lower my gun, I have added extra movement TWICE (lower and retract just to have to raise and extend again once I pivot).
The only downside to keeping the gun mounted is if it’s occluding my vision. However, the “eyes lead and gun follows” approach completely mitigates that risk.
I know you test everything against real world metrics. Hopefully you'll do that with this concept as well.
No...combat is not competition. You guys are stuck in the range paradigm. Combat is killing via the proper application of tactics and marksmanship. A part of tactica is maneuvering to get the muzzle on target.
Get a yard stick out and measure the distance the muzzle travels. And I am not "going to retention". I am.simply bring the weapon in to enable.driving to rather than swinging to a target. @@nbonner75
Awesome.
Makes sense