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  • @Goual
    @Goual 10 місяців тому +418

    One thing that struck me since a few weeks Martin is that you're having fun again with this. That is absolutely awesome to see.

    • @thekamakaji
      @thekamakaji 10 місяців тому +8

      Yes this absolutely. The spark is back

    • @MariusIhlar
      @MariusIhlar 10 місяців тому +4

      This! 🤩

    • @dumaass
      @dumaass 10 місяців тому +2

      struck?
      edit: Yeah. It's great.

    • @angel_of_rust
      @angel_of_rust 10 місяців тому

      what do you mean he somehow didn't before?

    • @Nooticus
      @Nooticus 10 місяців тому

      Exactly

  • @Ing0s
    @Ing0s 10 місяців тому +413

    It's a joy to see how happy you are about how dynamic the bass can now sound.

    • @niaschim
      @niaschim 10 місяців тому +13

      '''Bwaowmm Chikaboonga Vwoooom'''🎵🎶

    • @SomeoneYouKnow2671
      @SomeoneYouKnow2671 10 місяців тому +10

      "weeeeaaaAAAOOOooww"

    • @someguy5334
      @someguy5334 10 місяців тому +4

      I love a dynamic bass, but I see the feature creep monster around the corner.

    • @dellanflink3012
      @dellanflink3012 10 місяців тому +2

      so awesome, love how he enjoys what he is doing.

  • @kidgrit
    @kidgrit 10 місяців тому +364

    Martin if you read this - this is one of the best video's you've made so far in the MM's lifespan. There's not a lot of flair and polish - but there's joy. There's so much play and fun baked into this and it's great to get to see you working in a way that gets you excited about your art. Thanks for this today - we are behind you, thank you for your years of enthusiasm.

    • @Tcustoms
      @Tcustoms 10 місяців тому +6

      Agreed! I’ve been falling asleep looking at spreadsheets on this channel, I even stopped watching completely for awhile. So happy we’re going back to the original format!

    • @Nooticus
      @Nooticus 10 місяців тому

      Agreed! So happy to see it

  • @Flutter_Batty
    @Flutter_Batty 10 місяців тому +320

    I personally like the ticking noise of the latching channel. It also feeds into the aesthetics of the machine looking like clockwork!

    • @livefromhollywood194
      @livefromhollywood194 10 місяців тому +13

      Martin kinda fell for the same problem on MMX. Every solution should have the option to be as silent as possible, even if it sounds cool in isolation. Maybe he could take out certain sound dampening based on the song?

    • @NobleSainted
      @NobleSainted 10 місяців тому +23

      Thought I was the only one who thought this way.
      The mechanical sounds, especially when rhythmic like these machines, can actually enhance the entertainment experience for, in my opinion. It feels like something is building up, signaling that something exciting is about to occur. Almost like a metronome used as a countdown.

    • @fwheels7776
      @fwheels7776 10 місяців тому +6

      @@livefromhollywood194 I know your right too.. but I do love this ticking sound. But if it is creating noise in the wrong spot so it may detract. Such a shame bc I also love the ticking!

    • @PenPeng
      @PenPeng 10 місяців тому +10

      ​@@NobleSaintedYes. But Martin can always place a microphone directly next to something that makes a little noise. He can't remove noise from something that makes a lot of noise that gets picked up by the instrument microphones. And all the little noises will add up. If I remember correctly, he said that at some point during the MMX.

    • @R.A.M_000
      @R.A.M_000 10 місяців тому +1

      sometimes a metronome is a drum :D

  • @thedarkmage1004
    @thedarkmage1004 10 місяців тому +156

    Martin, I just got a full-ride scholarship to an American college because of *you.* In my application essay, I talked about how you inspired me and the judges loved it. I've been watching you for years. Your videos, your methods, and your community have inspired me to be an engineer myself. Your experimentation, optimism, and innovation have inspired me more that you can imagine. You have literally changed the course of my life, and I can't thank you enough.

    • @ivovelo
      @ivovelo 10 місяців тому +9

      Congratulations, friend! All the best over there!

    • @MoXyiD
      @MoXyiD 10 місяців тому +1

      grats! Welcome to the states from a fellow engineer!

    • @-______-______-
      @-______-______- 9 місяців тому +1

      Congrats

    • @Sunshinerainglow
      @Sunshinerainglow 5 місяців тому

      That’s amazing!
      I unlocked a new world, after seeing demons manifest in my room. Messing with ouija boards and seeing them come alive, sleep paralysis to many demonic experiences. I realized we live in a spiritual world more than a physical one. There is a God and His name is Jesus. Try Him with a willing heart and mind and what happens next in life is mind blowing. More than an acceptance to an Ivy League.
      If we harden our hearts towards His presence today, then why would we expect tomorrow to be any different?

  • @RichardRogers-k7y
    @RichardRogers-k7y 10 місяців тому +28

    You've discovered how to integrate mechanical memory into Marble Machine - essentially MM now has a state machine - so each 'track' can be held in a number of defined states in readiness for performing with a much reduced 'noise-floor' & with much less friction. Elegant solutions are SUCH a joy.
    Great stuff!!!

  • @AppliedCryogenics
    @AppliedCryogenics 10 місяців тому +1842

    I know we want to minimize the parts count, but the reader really needs a roller where it contacts the programming profile. It will save wear and be quieter. (Otherwise, won't certain notes will play slightly later after each show?)

    • @xeode
      @xeode 10 місяців тому +74

      saved my typing it in tks, oh but you don't mean in a 'with a roller there is no friction to require extra mechanisms' and just mean use both a roller and a latch mechanism lol

    • @takanara7
      @takanara7 10 місяців тому +68

      Yeah I was going to say the same thing, it seems like a lot of the friction problem could be taken care of by a wheel on the reader.

    • @Tee_eM_Kay
      @Tee_eM_Kay 10 місяців тому +23

      came here to write this and it turned out to be a top comment XD

    • @CasaVoid
      @CasaVoid 10 місяців тому +51

      Teflon pads would be a lot simpler and might work well enough.

    • @eikoo0237
      @eikoo0237 10 місяців тому +14

      Millionaire tape PTFE tape.

  • @evangold4748
    @evangold4748 10 місяців тому +74

    In regards to the mechanical ticking, I actually appreciated the mechanical background noise of the first two marble machines, it gave the music a distinct sound profile from regular music.
    If the ticking is in association with the programming wheel then the noise should, in its own unique way, be tied directly to music and might even sound intentional

  • @shealupkes
    @shealupkes 10 місяців тому +210

    Martin: *making random cat noises while playing with a piano-guitar hybrid*
    Me: "back to his roots, good, very good"

    • @riparianlife97701
      @riparianlife97701 10 місяців тому +9

      Boyish enthusiasm activated.

    • @Jono.
      @Jono. 10 місяців тому +6

      weeeeOOOOOwew

  • @rocketperson44
    @rocketperson44 10 місяців тому +77

    If friction on the programming wheel interface is a big concern (500 channels, wow!), wouldn't a good idea be to use a roller cam follower on the readers, instead of the sliding contact you have now? In addition to reducing noise and mechanical load, it should drastically improve wear concerns, and keep the machine running tight with age. Even with this new design, you're still going to have friction on the actual rise of the profiles, which is still going to add up quite a bit over tons of channels. The trailing edge of the profile can be curved to match the arch of the falling follower and allow a sudden drop if that's the reason for the current knife follower.
    Also, for high load components like the bass fingers, would suggest looking into ways to build lots of leverage/mechanical advantage into the system, so that the load felt at the wheel is still relatively low.

    • @flof173
      @flof173 10 місяців тому +3

      I though about the leverage too, I think it would really help

    • @CygnusXUno
      @CygnusXUno 10 місяців тому +9

      It looks like the idea of reducing friction should be separated from the new toggle functionality. Rollers, of course, some obvious upsides, no downsides. But the capability to toggle the mute on or off, while still being able to put beats when needed is attractive on it's own.

    • @The0neAnd0nlyUnicorn
      @The0neAnd0nlyUnicorn 10 місяців тому +4

      @@CygnusXUnoyes there could be cases where the latching mechanism could be great. But in this case it was used to eliminate friction. You can achieve this goal with rollers/ball bearings at the tip of the reader way easier and far more efficient and have other benefits as stated above.

  • @kyrioz2z834
    @kyrioz2z834 10 місяців тому +430

    I just realized this is how a clicky pen work

    • @shealupkes
      @shealupkes 10 місяців тому +22

      WOAEW

    • @mandrakejake
      @mandrakejake 10 місяців тому +48

      It's a design worth looking at carefully as it's axial (not linear like Martin's), very clever.

    • @quirin5061
      @quirin5061 10 місяців тому +2

      i think it should be possible to have a bowden cable instead of a mine retracting and releasing -> smaller form factor and could be activated by a marble hitting it

    • @aronseptianto8142
      @aronseptianto8142 10 місяців тому +8

      in a way yes, it's the same idea wrapped around a cylinder

    • @lasskinn474
      @lasskinn474 10 місяців тому +5

      variations are what are locking latches are. in your kitchen cupboard clicker closer, you sdcard slot etc..

  • @michaelwoodhams7866
    @michaelwoodhams7866 10 місяців тому +393

    0:34 "Once in a while, something happens that changes everything"
    The fire nation attacked?

    • @sworddomo1951
      @sworddomo1951 10 місяців тому +9

      Eating bacon for the first time.

    • @SpammingY
      @SpammingY 10 місяців тому +5

      @@sworddomo1951 Truth.

    • @John_Weiss
      @John_Weiss 10 місяців тому +2

      I see you are a man of culture and taste. 😁

    • @defenestrated23
      @defenestrated23 10 місяців тому

      *DUNN* dun Dun dunnn...

    • @mikayla_collie
      @mikayla_collie 10 місяців тому

      no

  • @zecretw7272
    @zecretw7272 10 місяців тому +235

    Probably already mentioned but usyally the pickups tracing the programming wheel have small rolls on the end to reduce ware.

    • @ParanoidMarvinMk2
      @ParanoidMarvinMk2 10 місяців тому +28

      Realistically, he should be getting all these parts done in metal for the final machine. The 3D prints are the absolute best for prototyping like this, but I doubt they would hold up to the rigours of a tour, and having to check them before every show would be a huge time waster. E.g. I think the middle nub in the miniature versions of the latch channel would wear out quick, those will probably have to be made in steel. Or the connectors to the tensioning screw: I will assume Martin knows to orient the layers correctly, but even then they might fail under the constant cycles of tension and relaxation (cycles are often what kills parts).
      Martin is being smart about this. He will almost certainly need to tweak the geometry of the latch: angles, length, depth of the track, etc. Then add a roller tip to further reduce friction and wear, verify that still works with the geometry. All this can be done rapidly with 3D printed parts. Then version 0.9 will be made in metal and with roller tips, tested again, and finally tweaked a bit (or not if he is lucky) for version 1.0. Im sure once it is integrated into a fully functioning machine, there might need to be a v. 1.1 on some of the parts as integration and long term issues pop up.
      Best of luck Martin! There is still a long road ahead, but as they say "How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time."

    • @biziluxgames8924
      @biziluxgames8924 10 місяців тому +4

      @@ParanoidMarvinMk2 or maybe he can get away with some fancier filament like nylon and carbon fiber reinforced filaments, etc... but just regular PLA is not really good for this job.

    • @The0neAnd0nlyUnicorn
      @The0neAnd0nlyUnicorn 10 місяців тому +5

      @@ParanoidMarvinMk2The comment wasn't about the wear and tear of the latch but for the programming wheel and its mechanism. I fear that this is a typical martin solution. You solve a problem by creating another (more complex) problem

    • @ParanoidMarvinMk2
      @ParanoidMarvinMk2 10 місяців тому +3

      @@biziluxgames8924 if you watch, he actually is NOT even orienting the layers correctly. The connectors for the tensioning bolts have their layers perpendicular to the stress, not parallel. They will begin to delaminate under any sustained use.

    • @Dexxos
      @Dexxos 10 місяців тому

      You could make the contact in the system smaller, by making it thinner and maybe have a ^^^^^ surface instead of a --- surface

  • @ChrisEllis007
    @ChrisEllis007 10 місяців тому +32

    This is a great improvement! Small suggestion though. Consider the case where you unmute a channel right before a 24mm programming wheel profile, and the channel has not been placed in the locked open position. In this case, the profile shown could cause a machine crash when playing at high tempos as the pin would get stuck in the first section of the profile.
    I would suggest changing the angle of the outside edge of the profile to allow the pin to slide cleanly from the closed position to the fully open position in this case.

    • @sticlavoda5632
      @sticlavoda5632 10 місяців тому +2

      Really great suggestion. Hope Martin sees this!

    • @furmek
      @furmek 10 місяців тому +4

      Exactly what I was thinking, ToT profile was independent of speed, this one has a race condition built in, hit it to fast with un-latch and it will crash

    • @slash_me
      @slash_me 10 місяців тому +2

      That's what I was thinking.
      He could build a second escape channel on the far left of the profile that allows the unlatching profile to fall through, but is to far left for the latching profile to reach it.

    • @RichardRogers-k7y
      @RichardRogers-k7y 10 місяців тому +1

      Could make a 'special' combined unlatch & play note profile for those few songs where tempo is high enough for a crash to become a significant risk...

    • @MrJamesBanana
      @MrJamesBanana 10 місяців тому +1

      If you look closely on the small profile, the shape is a bit different. The back edge trails directly towards unlatch, instead of going forward towards latch as it does in the large profile. With the small profile, this issue is handled. The thing that might cause a worry to me is that the latching is done by gravity, so I would believe it might not latch properly in certain cases.

  • @Panakotta000
    @Panakotta000 10 місяців тому +986

    Ragarding the friction on the programming wheel, could you not attach a roller/bearing on the reader head to instead have rolling friciton?

    • @PKamargo
      @PKamargo 10 місяців тому +27

      I was thinking the same.

    • @Irilia_neko
      @Irilia_neko 10 місяців тому +14

      It has to be considered yes

    • @TheLastTater
      @TheLastTater 10 місяців тому +16

      Great idea, just like a roller cam follower on an engine vs a a plain tappet

    • @Irilia_neko
      @Irilia_neko 10 місяців тому +5

      You have to remember it's a prototype, so only the essential and easy to find parts 😉

    • @The0neAnd0nlyUnicorn
      @The0neAnd0nlyUnicorn 10 місяців тому +20

      @@Irilia_nekoI think ball bearings work perfect for that and are mass produced parts. You'd only need to screw them in

  • @shoe7393
    @shoe7393 8 місяців тому +1

    I love your watching you enthusiasm and engineering process. I've been watching since the first Marble Machine and I'm so glad you're still going strong. Keep up the good work!

  • @revcofe
    @revcofe 10 місяців тому +151

    Have you considered using only a one or two string bass? Since hand size isn’t a factor, intervals aren’t either. Generally you’ll only have one or two strings ringing at a time. So this could save a lot of space and parts.

    • @tulpjeeen
      @tulpjeeen 10 місяців тому +18

      Chicken in the corn!

    • @insederec
      @insederec 10 місяців тому +3

      The bass also looks cool

    • @NolanTheOtherOnly
      @NolanTheOtherOnly 10 місяців тому +2

      He could just have one string and change the tension at that point. Maybe have 2/3, 1/2, 3/5 and 3/4 frets and then just change the string tension.

    • @Ovenman940
      @Ovenman940 10 місяців тому +5

      Why stop there? If you turn the string into some cone-shaped cardboard, it can play multiple frequencies simply by moving it at different rates. Maybe we could achieve that with electromagnets?

    • @achomik1999
      @achomik1999 10 місяців тому +7

      Nah, strings have different overtones due to their thickness and it's always cool to have a choice.

  • @Lampe2020
    @Lampe2020 10 місяців тому +60

    That shape is also what's used in ballpoint pens to latch the lead in the outward position on one press and let it snap back inside on the next press.

    • @joshyaash
      @joshyaash 10 місяців тому +3

      And some bathroom sink pop-ups. Fascinating and genius mechanism

  • @blak4831
    @blak4831 10 місяців тому +86

    honestly I don't see the click as a minus - Many instruments have noises they make alongside their notes that aren't part of the note, but become part of the instrument's identity. The original Marble Machine (and the MMX) drew a lot of their unique sound from the rhythmic click-clacking of all those parts moving about, and I think the soft click with every movement of a marble gate will have the same effect here

    • @TheStarMachine2000
      @TheStarMachine2000 10 місяців тому +9

      Absolutely! The first Marble Machine starts and ends with the lights turning on, the song begins with the winding of the marble machine, and the latch dropping the first marbles is the very first "note"

    • @TBMVD
      @TBMVD 10 місяців тому +6

      The sound of the machine is part of its identity. It's understandable to reduce it so you can hear the music, but getting rid of it entirely removes some soul out of the marble machine.

  • @claypoly
    @claypoly 10 місяців тому +1

    Playful and excited Martin is back! So happy to see it! He was in there all along and I’ve enjoyed everything you’ve been doing, but seeing you happy brings me so much joy.
    The reason I watch your channel is I enjoy seeing you try, try and try again on something that is incredibly difficult. You’ve got this

  • @bradley3549
    @bradley3549 10 місяців тому +206

    Have to admit, seems like a problem that a small bearing on the programming finger woudl solve handily .

    • @AlexAegisOfficial
      @AlexAegisOfficial 10 місяців тому +33

      The latch is still useful for really really long sections, at very least saving a lot of time not 3D printing profile segments

    • @amaze2708
      @amaze2708 10 місяців тому +20

      If a note is not played the entirety of a song, it would need a profile the entire diameter of the wheel (to keep that “finger” lifted). This is a set of on off profiles with a hold function, so one off profile covers it instead.

    • @bradley3549
      @bradley3549 10 місяців тому

      That's not true, because muting of channels is a different function. @@amaze2708

  • @jwhit43
    @jwhit43 10 місяців тому +3

    I love the whimsy that you have in this video. It is the most cheerful and excited you have been in a while. It’s like you’re the chef in “The Menu” and you just made a cheeseburger. Iykyk

  • @NickNamesOfGod
    @NickNamesOfGod 10 місяців тому +7

    "The playfulness is the point." It's nice to see you finding joy with this project again.

  • @HansonProMusic
    @HansonProMusic 10 місяців тому +4

    RE: Bass Levers and weight -- double the distance from the fulcrum from the spring on the pull down side will halve the weight
    quadruple the distance from the spring side will quarter the weight... etc. Round figures.

  • @WestRipStiker
    @WestRipStiker 10 місяців тому +7

    This will probably get buried, but you are using a shift cable in a brake housing; shift and brake cables are slightly different diameters, and so is the internal tube from the housing, it may work better and have slightly less slop in the system by using shift housing. Also as a secondary benefit, shift housing is a non-compressible housing, which should allow for better indexing for precise movements. The friction may increase slightly in a shift cable housing, but for very light loads you can push the cable with moderately more precision than the brake housing. Always love the content and keep up the good work!

  • @potato4dawin1
    @potato4dawin1 10 місяців тому +10

    "we- we're going to be able to make like beeoww chapa goonga bwwyow maybe no- yeah weow.. WEEOOOWWW" ~Wintergatan 13:04

  • @tymtrppr3
    @tymtrppr3 10 місяців тому +1

    The year is 2048, and Wintergatan X still isnt finished

  • @DigitalArchmage
    @DigitalArchmage 10 місяців тому +17

    re: the ticking sound that it added. You're going to put microphones on the sounds you want - you won't mic up the ticking noise. No issue with the ticking.

    • @EaglePicking
      @EaglePicking 10 місяців тому

      Yeah just make sure the ticking is not in the same place as the instruments playing.

    • @Beakerbite
      @Beakerbite 10 місяців тому

      Regardless, the ticking is nothing compared to the marble on marble sounds.

  • @CreamyItalian
    @CreamyItalian 8 місяців тому

    Love the gleeful joy you have, it's infectious. With regards to the "fingers", moving the fulcrum closer to the fingertips would require less force on the wheel to press them down. Then of course the travel length of the tips would shorten but as long as they completely disengage the strings everything is fine. Now you are a lot smarter than I am so you probably have the optimal dimensions for the fingers but I thought I would give my 2 cents. Keep up the awesome work! Can't wait for the finished product.

  • @captaincroissandwich6950
    @captaincroissandwich6950 10 місяців тому +6

    For the necklace, you should make a heart shape out of that new latch pin channel design by getting two of them and sticking them together mirrored with one another.
    This new design looks pretty promising!

  • @Utube2Itube
    @Utube2Itube 10 місяців тому +2

    ”Ooo oohh….
    ÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅ SLAJDAR (🇸🇪)
    OHHHH YES!….det, uhm, I can slide, OK
    I was so nervous I couldn’t slide, listen to this
    That is soo cool, I can slide
    We are going to be able to make that
    BOW choopa khugha wheeooooow
    Maybe not……yeah, whaaaooww.
    WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOWW!!
    Ok, this makes me really happy
    WWOOOOOOOOOWWW!!
    This is going to be the BEST mechanical instrument ever built, ok.
    Like…, EASILY!”
    This section is UA-cam gold right there 😂😂🤣

  • @firexgodx980
    @firexgodx980 10 місяців тому +33

    VERIFY VERIFY VERIFY. Don't get complacent!! You need to measure friction!!

    • @petercolquhoun2086
      @petercolquhoun2086 10 місяців тому +5

      Correct. What is the total friction of 50 or 100 channels playing on the same beat?

  • @ConsolGameR
    @ConsolGameR 9 місяців тому

    This is such a great and underated video. You are a very intelligent man. This is what technology was supposed to be used for. Coming up with ideas to solve problems, then rapid prototyping to see what works and what doesn't. Over design, under design, redesign, and come up with something really cool, it's fun. And now anyone can take this idea and come up with something of their own. Brilliant!

  • @adfjasjhf
    @adfjasjhf 10 місяців тому +12

    0:17 Me explaining to the car mechanic what is wrong with my car

  • @Knatte_Anka
    @Knatte_Anka 10 місяців тому +17

    The click noice can even be a feature 😉, you just have to verify that the it can hande the max bpm

  • @Demigirlboss
    @Demigirlboss 10 місяців тому

    It's so nice seeing you actually be _happy_ while working on the Marble Machine again. It feels like it's stopped being an obligation to you and started being a passion once again.

  • @ReddTheViolent
    @ReddTheViolent 10 місяців тому +47

    Couldn't you fix the friction and noise by adding a wheel to the tip of the reader?

    • @egg5802
      @egg5802 10 місяців тому +1

      yes, but it would also add moving parts & complexity.

    • @riparianlife97701
      @riparianlife97701 10 місяців тому +4

      An off-the-shelf bearing.

    • @ChadPowell02
      @ChadPowell02 10 місяців тому

      ​@@egg5802I get jokes.

  • @Keiranful
    @Keiranful 10 місяців тому +1

    Real Engineering recently released a video where they interviewed an engineer in an aeronautics startup and one thing that stuck out for me is that engineers are creative people who are good with numbers. I had to think of Martin with his struggle to balance the creative and engineering side of the MM. I'm glad to see this project is gaining traction again and going in the right direction!

  • @TheLordsOfTheDucks
    @TheLordsOfTheDucks 10 місяців тому +7

    I guess Wilson has a new friend now, THE shape

  • @kayrosis5523
    @kayrosis5523 10 місяців тому

    Wintergatan, when you just want to make some music, but first you have to engineer the universe.
    I have friends who are not even interested in music, but obsess over your channel because the way you are tackling the engineering challenges of the Marble Machine. You are an inspiration to so many people!

  • @stellsy3496
    @stellsy3496 10 місяців тому +3

    this is cool, you've created a mechanical set reset latch, you can think of it in terms of setting and resetting whatever actuator its controlling between its active and passive position

  • @flyerminer
    @flyerminer 10 місяців тому

    Options to reduce the contact noise of the readers/registers:
    1. A small roller bearing/wheel to turn your scraping into rolling, eliminating wear and remaining noise.
    2. Coat or make the programming profiles/registers from Teflon/a similar low friction wear resistant material. Another alternative thats pretty machineable is Acetal Copoly (aka delrin).
    3. Introduce a cushion area in the track where the new latching profile is clicking. Optionally, consider a dry lubricant in the groove - a passing thought is finely ground graphite.
    Just my two cents i wanted to voice, if its of any use to you Martin! Great work thus far!

  • @RIPITIR
    @RIPITIR 10 місяців тому +5

    "WOW!" - Owen Wheelson

    • @billkeithchannel
      @billkeithchannel 10 місяців тому

      The Wheelson Family:
      Wilson Wheelson
      Steelson Wheelson
      Woodson Wheelson
      Plastison Wheelson
      Someone needs to handcraft a Glassson Wheelson.

  • @TheElectroboy
    @TheElectroboy 10 місяців тому +1

    Now bring us some this changes everything merch featuring the shape!

  • @ethermelt4780
    @ethermelt4780 10 місяців тому +3

    "...Mechanical latch..."
    "...We have a slide!"
    "...don't wait for inspiration..."
    Martin's entire character growth; music, engineering, and philosophy woven into one seemingly adlibbed video. What an incredible time we're at in the journey!

  • @music9170
    @music9170 10 місяців тому +1

    your doing the thing again.... the thing where you make things super over complicated.... that whole mechanism to mute the string is crazy

    • @farmersteve129
      @farmersteve129 10 місяців тому

      I don't like being negative, especially in the face of such enthusiasm and optimism, but given that he never got either of the previous two machines to work as such and he's now moved onto this mega machine with hundreds of channels...
      Personally I think that the best approach would have been to build a simple 1 or 2 octave basic marble vibraphone and get it working. Then start looking at bells and whistles. Stephenson didn't start by building Mallard, the Wright brothers didn't start with Concorde and NASA didn't send their first rocket to the moon...

  • @jimnordlund5701
    @jimnordlund5701 10 місяців тому +5

    Nice to see new stuff :)

  • @mikelastname
    @mikelastname 10 місяців тому

    17:14 - the best advice for those of us who try and solve all the problems before we start. I don't know why this popped into my feed, but it is the advice I needed right now.

  • @ChaosPootato
    @ChaosPootato 10 місяців тому +7

    This Old Tony is a worldwide treasure

    • @thomasbecker9676
      @thomasbecker9676 10 місяців тому

      His channel seems dead.

    • @ChaosPootato
      @ChaosPootato 10 місяців тому

      @@thomasbecker9676 You summoned him, he just posted a new video

  • @Dmitri_Schrama
    @Dmitri_Schrama 10 місяців тому

    Print the corners where the pins hit with TPU inserts. Also eventually cnc the part from teflon or some other slidy stuff of choice.
    Congrats Martin, I'm happy to see you smile again.

  • @Grombags
    @Grombags 10 місяців тому +1

    Am I right in thinking that today's video arrived a bit late because Martin had to fish the dropped programming peg part out of the bass guitar first? If so - all the more reason I love this channel and everything that happens here! I find myself understanding less and less of what Martin is saying about the construction which I assume is just because he is becoming more and more an engineer and I am so removed from that! I do think his enthusiasm is a joy to see though - so much of the time before seemed to be a real struggle but now, I see him really confident and enjoying the journey. Wilsons promise to behave from now on too 😏

  • @selectthedead
    @selectthedead 10 місяців тому +5

    Starting is Always the hardest Part, but when you do, never Stop,!

  • @jgeek806
    @jgeek806 10 місяців тому +1

    His constant need for perfection is his biggest weakness. At this rate his machine will require his children's children to complete.

  • @Infernoblade1010
    @Infernoblade1010 10 місяців тому +9

    Profile ine your bass? Operation!

  • @lalicornenoire
    @lalicornenoire 10 місяців тому

    I love the mechanical ticking of the machine. It makes it part of the melody. With the very first machine video, every single tick, rolling sound, falling marble, it is all part of the melody. Yes it wasn't perfect, and this is what people loved.

  • @NOLAfugee
    @NOLAfugee 10 місяців тому +28

    "His shape"? Or "this shape"?

    • @fmontpetit
      @fmontpetit 10 місяців тому +4

      please change the title, Martin 😂

    • @harmonic5107
      @harmonic5107 10 місяців тому +4

      His shape being this old Tony's shape. As in the path. He mentions it less than 5 minutes into the video

    • @Shinigumi
      @Shinigumi 10 місяців тому +2

      ​@@harmonic5107Exactly. Either title works, given the context.

    • @Greengandalf
      @Greengandalf 10 місяців тому +1

      Wilsons shape... Thats where the trouble begin... These gears ... These damn gears

    • @davidn1675
      @davidn1675 10 місяців тому +4

      Maybe the real shape was the friends we made along the way

  • @ICountFrom0
    @ICountFrom0 10 місяців тому

    I like the mechanical ticking, clockwork needs to click.
    I love how he can find an idea, understand the use of it, and completely rebuild entire sections to test, and then rebuild the entire machine with the new advance. Itteritive design in real time.

  • @h_rry
    @h_rry 10 місяців тому +5

    "How his shape just changed Everything" 😍

  • @sinajakelic
    @sinajakelic 10 місяців тому

    when the machines are over and you start making music.. one music will be coming out of the PA system and a different accoustic music (clicking noises, scraping and thumping) will be happening on stage… Be sure to let us hear all the machine noises one day! It will be mindblowing. Go wintergatan, we are all crossing our fingers for you!

  • @IanZainea1990
    @IanZainea1990 10 місяців тому +7

    Sorry to be that guy. But can we have one video where you don't claim that everything has changed

    • @cerilious
      @cerilious 10 місяців тому +1

      He's planning to use a new mechanism on like 500 mechanical channels. I think it's pretty accurate. Also are you sure you don't want to be that guy?

    • @bozthescrewup410
      @bozthescrewup410 10 місяців тому

      ^ exactly this particular mechanism literally did change everything.

  • @Elesh_Gyorn
    @Elesh_Gyorn 10 місяців тому +1

    I am excited to see all three parts(mute, finger, and dropper) come together to play a note in your test rig. The string instruments in your machines always seem to bring out such creativity and passion!

  • @thomasbecker9676
    @thomasbecker9676 10 місяців тому +4

    Did it change everything and make you realize you should build something instead of just making YT videos?

  • @LuizEnger
    @LuizEnger 10 місяців тому

    Your short comment on waiting for inspiration and fostering your own creativity was an awesome addition to this video!

  • @Doktor_Vem
    @Doktor_Vem 10 місяців тому

    I bloody adore the unbridled excitement about the sliding-possibility in the intro. Makes me so happy

  • @TofuRabbit
    @TofuRabbit 10 місяців тому

    As an illustrator, super agree with the sentiment that once you *start* doing something with just a basic starting idea your brain will iterate and explore itself and very often create something even cooler than what you initially intended. Creativity inspires creativity. Just taking the first step can kickstart a huge creative chain (:

  • @shavono8402
    @shavono8402 10 місяців тому

    Normally I'm a stickler for those cute little mechanical noises, but I'm with Martin on this one. That scraping is wearing out parts on a touring instrument, and it's an unnecessary expense. Great design!!
    Oh, also I think lengthening the top channel could help keep the channel from being damaged by the "unlatch" pin when it's not already latched - like just a place for it to glide to that won't hurt the mechanism.

  • @JamesBlacklock
    @JamesBlacklock 10 місяців тому +1

    I actually realistically think I'm going to see this thing perform in 30 years. And I am excited for it.

  • @izuku39
    @izuku39 10 місяців тому

    As whom supported martin since mm1, it's such a pleasure to see martin with joy and excitement with him.keep up!

  • @marcelk.4371
    @marcelk.4371 10 місяців тому +1

    I love the happiness of martin in this video. Missed this emotions from him since mmx

  • @jasonbenoit2277
    @jasonbenoit2277 10 місяців тому

    This little shape cleans up the frictiin and long scratchy sounds. The dynamics if the machine now seem infinite. Martin has achieved dynamics the fourth level of his prigress pyramid or desciiin tree graph. Imcredible.

  • @inber
    @inber 7 місяців тому

    Not sure what I just bumped into. But it’s great!
    What I love with UA-cam is that it shows me great material that I did not search for - made by complete nerds who put a lot of effort into solving fascinating problems. 🙂
    Subscribed.

  • @alexflohr1453
    @alexflohr1453 10 місяців тому

    I'm so excited for this! As far as the clicking sound, its not a big deal at all. As some others have said, adding a roller at the contact point will reduce wear. Given that it is on a bowline cable, you can move the clicking mechanism as far away as you want in a soundproof box.
    Also, I love how you are concerned with clicking now, after you designed and built the fish stair marble lift for the MMX.
    I can't wait for what is next!

  • @dr.blauerkraut
    @dr.blauerkraut 10 місяців тому

    I love seeing you just glow with joy! This entire project perfectly satifies my musical intrique aswell as my love for weird mechanical stuff!

  • @ericballew9927
    @ericballew9927 10 місяців тому

    I haven't been this excited about in such a long time!!!! This video legitimately made me so excited for you and what is in store for the Marble Machine! WILSON APPROVES!!!!!!

  • @27Jaak
    @27Jaak 10 місяців тому

    That's a huge eureka moment! Goes to show how much effort you and everyone involved put into this beautiful project ❤
    Maybe a fan that's a jeweler can make you a more practical, robust version of that necklace for your day to day use. Or get together with a designer and sell them to grow your project funds if needed.
    People could wear them as a token of gratitute and a reminder, that there is a solution to everything, we just have not found them all, yet!

  • @qdavis9378
    @qdavis9378 5 місяців тому

    I don't think Ive ever observed a musician who was such an incredible engineer. Great work sir!

  • @cgmaniac44
    @cgmaniac44 4 місяці тому

    Fabulous playing, great ingenuity and just a pleasure to watch your genuine enthusiasm! ❤

  • @cefcephatus
    @cefcephatus 10 місяців тому

    I recently found separately from you, that inspiration comes after an achievement, it's not before you start, it's when you already finish one thing and the result inspires you to do more!
    I think, that's how creativity works!

  • @hurin1
    @hurin1 10 місяців тому

    It is so good to see you so energized. For someone that deals with chronic pain and severe depression it is inspirational. Thank you.

  • @chrisnance2953
    @chrisnance2953 10 місяців тому

    Did you just re-invent MIDI's "note on," "note off" signals? With an additional state machine.
    All with mechanical pieces.
    And from first principles!
    This was so great to watch.

  • @davetreadwell
    @davetreadwell 10 місяців тому

    One of the best "non workshop" tools I've ever purchase was a couple of different sizes of Crocodile Forceps - easily purchased from medical supply websites. They're AMAZING for retrieving lost items inside guitars, reaching fiddly small things inside of complex mechanisms, or merely holding something small and fragile securely with a variable grasping force

  • @Taintlessdisc
    @Taintlessdisc 9 місяців тому

    7 yrs ago you blew the world away with a musical mechanical miracle the next one is gonna be a work of art...

  • @shaman4evah
    @shaman4evah 10 місяців тому

    Just like it's nice to see the brush strokes on a painting I also think it's beautiful to hear the mechanical noises of the machine.

  • @AlejandroCaicedoPUJ
    @AlejandroCaicedoPUJ 10 місяців тому +1

    I think the note on note off system is amazing for the cyber bass but I would argue that it's not very good for the marbel drops since the marbel is gonna fall anyway no matter the length of the profile, and the latching and unlatching could prevent you from playing faster repeated notes

  • @aleschudarek4672
    @aleschudarek4672 10 місяців тому +1

    Did he just make a set/reset circuit machnicly? OMG. Genius

  • @DeliciousDeBlair
    @DeliciousDeBlair 10 місяців тому +1

    Also, a small firm rubber roller on the latching mechanism should help some to reduce clicking as well.

  • @ixenvire
    @ixenvire 10 місяців тому

    Don't get too fussed with the new ticking of the latch sound, Martin! Its going to be a big machine and is *GOING* to have its own sound!!! and the ticking is a MUCH better sound for it to have than a constant scraping!! Keep it up, man you're doing amazing!!!

  • @DaftyBoi412
    @DaftyBoi412 10 місяців тому

    I can see why you're so excited about this! I was commenting last video about some ideas to make the bass play more human like ... and this implaments one of the things I sugested, but with a whole other dimention of possabilities with the latching mechanism you've created. Nice!

  • @NaerenVastir
    @NaerenVastir 10 місяців тому

    i've been following this whole saga for 8 years now... it feels like we're getting close to completion

  • @shangyien
    @shangyien 10 місяців тому +2

    Could I suggest using piano bass damper felt for your string mute? It's V cut may give more surface area contact and it would last a few decades longer than your current material. If you use a whole piano bass damper assembly you would have further movement to fit flexibly, although with your plastic arm that probably already exists.

  • @hh126
    @hh126 5 місяців тому

    i dont understand whats going on but its fun to watch because your enthusiasm leaks through the screen

  • @stanleydegraef4442
    @stanleydegraef4442 10 місяців тому +2

    I think the toggle is a great Idea but adding it for every channel will introduce more wear on small parts which will be harder to replace. Adding a roller bearing as other suggested will reduce friction and reduce wear. I would cycle the latch until it breaks. Love the video!!! keep going!!!

  • @odman7945
    @odman7945 10 місяців тому

    This is the way to go. You can search single parts extremes and take all the time you want. Sometimes you might think its too much, but then again you explore what is possible and whats not. Then decide how far you want to go with the design.
    Also with this method if you find something new you dont have the whole machine built. You can easily re-iterate the old designs and prototype the new version individually, without actually have built anything.

  • @flutterguy965
    @flutterguy965 10 місяців тому +1

    programming wheel and the finger riding it reminds me of a camshaft in a car, overhead cams to be precise, there the spring tension is extreme and oil is used to keep friction low. If the profile of the programming pins made sure there is no "impact" but rather the finger is pushed up, friction and noise could be reduced even more. So, if the leading edge of the pins was convex instead of concave, for example.

  • @abrokenpearl
    @abrokenpearl 10 місяців тому

    Martin's machine makes me most excited since it could play instruments in a way that would be impossible to a human hand, like more than 10 fingers on the base, sliding on multiple strings at different times or intervals, its all super exciting!

  • @justinaudiovision
    @justinaudiovision 10 місяців тому

    I'm really excited for this new MM chapter. Your new approach seems really promising and exciting. With your plans encompassing so many features into a single machine, have you considered applying these techniques to designing and building individual smaller marble machines first (maybe a designated bass playing machine, a vibraphone machine, a drum machine, etc. ) and eventually using what you have learned to design your magnum opus Marble Machine. I feel like this would allow for faster turnarounds on smaller projects, and a series tangible and functional finished machines, rather than trying to squeeze every feature into a single machine straight away.

  • @TenNery0
    @TenNery0 10 місяців тому +1

    That “wow” in the beginning that was just like Owen Wilson!!!! Hahahahahaha

  • @cheezzinator
    @cheezzinator 10 місяців тому

    That spring tension mechanism is used in most drum kick pedals! The Mapex Falcoln has a niftier version where you don't need to pull on the string to adjust it, which is quite useful with stronger springs.

  • @gsbguitarsgsb679
    @gsbguitarsgsb679 10 місяців тому

    I’m so glad to see your enthusiasm is still intact for this project. The last time I checked in you were seemingly close to giving up. So this is a wonderful (no pun intended) site for me to see. lol… 👍🙏❤️

  • @waynemarshall1476
    @waynemarshall1476 10 місяців тому

    A tiny foam pad at the connection point can help reduce the clicking noise. Super excited about the new part, and what it means for you.