Glad you had a good experience. After buying my 2015 outback 2.5i premium in Feb 2015, I have recommended this car to everyone. Purchased with 1800 miles and I'm now at 311k miles. Original engine, original trans, and minimal repairs. Going to try and pass 400k!
Well done, proper maintenance is the key, I have the same OB as you with 86K, hoping to get many more miles out of it as I just don't see anything on the market to compare.
Not sure if somebody else pointed this out...but...every time you disconnect the battery on these cars, the passenger front window will stop working, and you need to reset the switch. There are plenty of videos on how to do the reset on youtube. Apologies if you are aware of this.
It is true. Can be prevented with a 9V battery and alligator clips on the cables, or a battery tender. Not a big deal to fix anyway if it does happen. Easy to reset.
I have a 2013 outback with 80k miles and it’s running fine. Hasn’t needed anything other than basic maintenance. This car isn’t the best at anything, but it’s really good at everything! It’s probably the best overall car I’ve owned.
Own two outbacks, a 2020 and 2014 since new, no oil consumption problems and as a matter of fact, no problems at all. Love the comfort of the seats and the ride not to mention they go anywhere. As a trucker with 3 million miles under my belt in trucks I know routine maintenance is the key.
@@Walterrinho once a year, I am a trucker and I figure if oil in a truck lasts 30 to 50 thousand miles then 9 dollar synthetic oil should last 10 thousand miles in my cars. Never had any trouble.
I have the same car, same trim, same year and same color. Mine has just over 100,000 miles and runs virtually like new. There's no notable wear on the center console cover or anywhere else inside other than the driver's carpet under the gas pedal. It needed two wheel bearings replaced around 40,000 - 50,000 miles but otherwise has needed only tires and brakes. Brake pads seem to last about 50,000 miles in my driving (mostly country roads and highways in Vermont). There's no rust on the body panels and only light rust on the underbody. The car is undercoated every winter. Mine uses about 3/4 - one quart of oil every 5000 miles. MPG tends to be about 30 in warmer months and about 27 in the winter. Our other Subarus have all kept running well through 250,000 miles but those older ones all needed head gaskets and timing belt replacements. The timing chain on this 2015 seems to be work fine and, knock wood, this generation may not have head gasket issues. All in all, an excellent car for Vermont with very good fuel economy given its size and AWD system. This is the sixth Suby we've owned and the best. The owner of the shop that has worked on my cars, for 27 years now, has the same year and model. His has also been excellent overall. I'd like to see an Outback EV.
I like how dealerships say excessive oil consumption is “normal”. A work associates new Chevy suv was 2-3 quarts low after a 300 mile trip same BS from the dealership.
Subaru launched a massive campaign advising customers to check your oil level at every other gas fill up. The boxer engine burns 1qt of oil for every 1k miles. With only 5.1 qts in the engine, a low light would come on about 3k miles. It actually tells you in the owners manual, you will burn oil. Lol!
I know the first FB engines had oil issues when they were first introduced. I owned 4 Subarus (2 with the EJ and 2 6 cylinders) and never had oil consumption issues with any of them.
I have a 2018 outback 3.6r. 90k miles now Only issues I had was replacing the inner tie rods and the harman kardon amplifier stopped working. Dealer replaced it. Aside from that,. replaced the tires and brake pads and brake fluid, battery as its normal consumable items. I just do regular oil changes every 9k miles using fully synthetic 5w-30. Engine and transmission is super reliable, no leaks and no oil consumption issues. Power is pretty solid, overtaking is a breeze! I love this car and will keep it as long as I can.
Bought our Subaru 2013 H6 Legacy in October. Still own it. Now at 9 years has 130,000 miles. After 100,000 we also had problems but almost all were suspension parts as the roads in CT are terrible. The rear wheel bearing went, the front struts went, the front control arms went, the driver window regulator died, the driver master switch died, and the master brake cylinder went. All repairs were between 120,000 and 130,000 miles.We have the leather interior, and don't have any of the issues they are having. Total repairs were around $6000. Still we paid for no repairs before 120,000. So now that most of the suspension has been replaced, we hope we are fine for a while. We also burn some oil, but do oil changes every 5000 miles so we are fine. Overall we like it.
Andre, We would have liked to learn the details of your maintenance schedule on this car. It is fair to say there was a time when reaching 100,000 miles was considered an achievement in reliability. Today 200,000 is the new 100K as other brands have raised the level of expectation. Maybe the new owner can report back to TFL in another 95,000 miles to fill us in on the details.
I had a 2015 Legacy 3.6 and traded it a few months ago with 86k and now have a 2018 Crosstrek Limited. The Legacy was flawless over the time I owed it. So far my Crosstrek to has been bullet proof over its 43k miles. I have gotten oil changes done at Subaru on both cars every 6,000 miles. Never has the oil been low on either. I work for a PreOwned dealership and we sell numerous Subaru’s a month with mileage ranging anywhere from 3k to around 120k miles. Not one has ever come back with an issue. I’ve never been in one where a low oil light has come on. I’ve never seen any with a cracked armrest either. The only issue I’ve noticed is the window issue you mentioned. We have never had to replace a regulator though. All we’ve had to do is reprogram the switch which is as easy as rolling the window down from either that particular door or the drivers door (whichever works) and holding the switch for a few seconds and then rolling the window up and holding the switch for a few seconds….problem solved. Maybe your particular car has an issue in the wiring in that door. Overall, I’ve been extremely satisfied with my two Subaru’s as have my family and friends who own Subaru’s. I’d buy another in a heartbeat.
I'm similar I have a 2015 Subaru Legacy with 165,000 miles. The car still runs like a champ. I probably have to add a quart of oil every 3,000 miles. For me the issues were the bumper clips and recently the air conditioning blower motor. Both were easy repairs at home. I would buy a Subaru again. I am hoping I can get at least 200,000 miles out of the car. I will drive it till the end though! I did not have any issues with my center console arm rest tearing. Sorry you experienced that.
Ive sold these for 6 years and we have had several 15 models with 100k-190k miles. The transmission have always seemed fine. Its just the little chrome bits and small electronic items that dont want to cooperate anymore. Overall they are solid. The oil consumption is something subaru is always sketchy on. Dont know why. Ive seen Subaru goodwill a some high mileage cars but when it comes to oil consumption its GFY. very strange
The oil consumptions due to bad piston ring design, and through a place that they would need to pull the engine out and take it all apart, and I don't think that it's worth it to them. It's one thing to do a small freebie here and there, but it's another to start handing out engine rebuilds to pretty much all owners
Problem with them is, unlike Toyota and Honda, Subaru is a small company that cannot afford to make good on their screwups, like bad trannys and oil consumption. The only way the consumer can fix that is to vote with their wallet, and give them a GFY.
I’ve been a loyal Subaru owner for decades and the oil consumption is normal(not saying it’s always a good thing depending on how much is consumed in how long of a time) and figured out how to minimize it as much as possible( this really goes for all cars but seems to work well with Subarus) always allow your engine to warm up(get the oil moving around and warm up the aluminum which allows the sealing of the piston and bore) simply starting it and driving off burns more oil due to the clearance between the piston and bore while engine is cold. With horizontal engines, the pistons squeegees the oil out of the bore while normal V or inlines have gravity assist. That squeegee doesn’t work well when the engine is cold resulting in blow by and burned oil. ALSO I have been using “Restore” oil additive in all of my Subarus since I first owned my 270,000 mile 1995 Impreza and 5 Subarus later(I’ve owned and built many) I’ve noticed less oil consumption on every engine after using it( I’m talking less then a quart burned in a normal oil change interval(4000-5000miles))
I drive an Impreza fairly spiritedly and it uses NO oil whatsoever between services. I had an Outback that used NO oil either. I really dont know what some people do with their cars.
@@andersonrodriguez8258 Yeah, there's also the heating time. I'm personally in love with my cars including subarus, and I always take the time to properly heat the oil to at least 60°C a few minutes + driving a few kilometers chill. No even a milliliter of consumption as of now (75,000km, 46.6k miles) between each 15k km service. Proper heating is one great parameter.
Was thinking the same as Bill Malec. How difficult is it to pull the dipstick every now and again? Do it before you start the engine and you don’t even have to wipe it.
The windshield is a stress fracture caused by body flex, and I have to say in my decades as an auto glass tech, that’s the worst I’ve ever seen. The oil issue is blow bye which isn’t necessarily a bad thing but not a good thing either. I think the window regulator issue was a glass tech that didn’t know what the hell he or she was doing.
My 2019 Outback's windshield cracked for no apparent reason. I was just driving down the highway, heard that terrible, unsettling sound and suddenly there was a crack spreading on my windshield. I always thought it was something small moving faster than I could see it (a heavy bolt or something), but there wasn't an obvious impact point. But there also wasn't a big bump or anything that would be a smoking gun for a moment of the body flexing
Subaru of America has agreed to a settlement of the cracked windshield lawsuit brought against the Camden, N.J. automaker. The recent windshield settlement only includes 2015 Subaru Outback and Legacy models and 2016 Subaru Outback and Legacy models. The lawsuit was initially filed in June 2017 when a California woman who claimed her 2015 Subaru Outback developed a crack that had "spontaneously appeared" at the base of the windshield. She was represented by attorneys Glancy Prongay & Murray and Greenstone Law APC. You are included in the settlement if you own or leased, or previously owned or leased a 2015 Subaru Outback and 2015 Subaru Legacy in the U.S., equipped with the All-Weather Package. Owner's vehicles with their original windshields and who paid for replacement of their factory windshields because of the cracking condition and who have not yet obtained reimbursement are eligible. You are included in the settlement if you own or leased, or previously owned or leased a 2016 Subaru Outback or 2016 Subaru Legacy equipped with the All-Weather Package. The vehicle's VIN, whose last seven digits are lower than 2016 Outback, with Eyesight: G3222455, 2016 Outback, without Eyesight: G3210476 2016 Legacy, with Eyesight: G3011247, and 2016 Legacy, without Eyesight: G3006359. The vehicles must have their original windshields, and owners paid for replacing their original windshields because of the cracking condition described in this case but who have not yet obtained reimbursement. Owners must have proof of the repair and information about the business that performed the repair.
Subaru's cvt transmissions will go well over 140,000 if properly maintained. The common issue is that original owners trade them in just before the scheduled fluid change, and the 2nd owners don't bother to change the trans. fluid or wait until it is too late, causing damage. Note: you should always change fluids on any CVT way before manufactures recommendation. The cost of the service is fairly steep. I'm thinking manufactures are trying to get more miles per service to hold down the five year ownership cost (on paper) It is a very stupid sales idea.
I did the maintenance: Transmission fluid change AWD fluid change Brake fluid change Costed me like 700$(canadian)if I recall Problems I got: Changed Passenger window mechanical switch, it broke. AC, Had to get it repaired Two front suspension changed Two front ball joint changed I’m at 140k km I hope it lasts another 140k lol I can’t afford a new vehicle of that size with our shit salaries and the inflation of these 4 last years.
We have the same exact car. The transmission went out at 37K, it was replaced under warrantee. Other than that good luck so far at 66K miles. Ours has also used some oil since new as well, more oil than my 99 Corolla with 190K miles.
Great review, thanks for this. We just picked up a 2022 Wilderness a month ago and look forward to taking it on all kinds of road trips across Canada. It's been great so far on some local trails and side roads, and is extremely capable in 30 cm of snow.
Now I know there’s really no way for you all at TFL to keep your test vehicles for 5+ years and put over 100k on them, but this is the kind of video I’ve been longing to see! Whenever you look at videos for “X car reliability” or long term reviews they keep the car for a year, and put maybe 30k miles on them at most. If you’re not putting at least 100k on a car are you even testing it’s reliability? What year is this? 1962? Cars don’t fall apart driving off the lot anymore.
I love when dealers say "This is normal" ? Right normal for engines allowing oil to seep past the cylinder rings ! Happened with our 2011 Outback that we got rid of at 120k miles. My wife misses it, but I knew those were "terminal" conditions. It burned oil, it leaked coolant from the exhaust, and smoked on start up sometimes (no not water vapor) its a love hate relationship with Subaru. If you own one under warranty, great, if you dont . boy get ready for super expensive repairs !
My 3.6 2018 Outback sucks oil down like a champ. It’s consistently 1.5-2 quarts low after 3000-3500 miles. It’s been completely reliable beyond that minor grievance after 77k miles.
I bought a new Forester in 2015. It’s August 2024 now and I’ve had no maintenance issues so far. CVT is quiet and smooth. No leaks, doesn’t burn any oil. Only thing I’ve replaced is the battery after 7 years. The old battery was working fine but I always replace vehicle batteries after 7 years.
My 2012 Outback 3.6 is just under 180k miles. Needs some oil added every 2k miles, replaced power steering pump and the headlights are a pain to change. other than that, great car. Ordered a Maverick and will trade in when that arrives.
The 3.6 is supposed to be the best Outback engine -- more power AND more reliable. Obviously fuel economy not a plus, but most people like it way better than the turbo engine that replaced it.
@@busydadscooking001 I thought their 2.5 was better though? Less expensive to fix when something goes wrong and less power means less complication and less chance of it going wrong
@@colechapman6976 You'd think. People seem to speak uniformly highly of the 3.6 if they own one; more varied reviews for the 2.5. And the 2.4T is hated by many ... luckily I have the 2.5. It has plenty of power IMO :)
How have they held for you 2? Im in the market for a 2015-2019 outback because I like the character and inside a lot more than the newer ones…. I see a 2016 outback near me with only 70k miles. The 1 Owner took care of it really well as far as oil change and maintence (based of service record), but a month before it was sold it says he had the Engine timing gasket cover replaced between 60-70k miles… im afraid this might be a time bomb but maybe they’re better after replacement? Also hearing about parasitic battery draw and what not. Do you 2 have problems such as this with your outback, or have you had them and recovered well?? Just curious thank you if anyone see this and respond I’m hearing other problems
@@1surfpesca_ I haven’t had a single issue with my Outback at all. Ever. It has been absolutely bulletproof. If the guy is telling you he took really good care of his, he’s probably not telling you the entire truth. I don’t know anyone who’s had problems with their Outback. The 3.6R is the MOST bulletproof rig they have ever produced. Idk why he would replace the gaskets, unless he had a problem with oil leaking out of the block. But that’s not a thing with new Subarus in general. I’d be suspicious of this man offer if he replaced head gaskets. As for undesired battery draw, no issues ever with that. I’d see if he has any aftermarket electronics installed. That would definitely cause excessive battery draw if not installed correctly. In conclusion, I think the guy selling the Outback isn’t being totally truthful. Idk though, as I can’t see the vehicle or ask the gentleman any questions. ALWAYS be cautious when buying a Subaru from a private seller. I’ve had Subarus for almost a decade now, and I know what kinds of problems they give you and how to fix them. The only normal maintenance you’ve mentioned is head gaskets, but that’s really only a problem for older models. Early 2000’s and older. If it’s the last generation of the 3.6R generation, there really shouldn’t be any issues at all. My 2 cents 👍🏻
@@DarthGandalftheBlack so I’ll give 2 responses, Im gonna clarify a couple things first: I’m not buying from private seller, it’s actually posted on Carvana for a decent price (im not set on carvana, keeping my options open) and I can see all the service records on carfax The service records are better than some other posts, I can tell that the oil changes were kept up in the record since it was bought new, along with everything else. Except that final service before it says it was sold. That’s when it says there was a replacement of the engine timing cover about a month before it was sold. So I don’t know where this guys head was at, if I can get his information I will, but I don’t think I can. I’m gonna contact the shop that did the service to see if they have any input. The parasitic draw I’m talking about is a problem I’ve heard OTHERS have. This car doesn’t claim that problem. Its actually pretty much stock. Only problem I see with it is that that timing gasket cover was replaced 60-70k miles
@@DarthGandalftheBlack 2nd response: Thank you a lot for responding, what you’ve said reassured me in continuing to look for a 2015-2019 in good condition. I really want a 3.6R for the power. I had a 23 outback Wilderness but it got totaled…. So now I want to simplify the car and my payment alot more (cuz truthfully I didn’t really need the Wilderness) but I enjoy more power than the normal 2.5 Thank you for ur response
My 2017 outback 2.5i limited issues. 1) bulbs go bad in both front assemblies often 2) mpg on the readout is way over what we are actually getting. Usually 3mpg higher 3) both window switches for the front have had issues 4) cam carrier oil leak(at 65k miles) 5) brakes vibrate under hard braking and this is after replacing entire brakes with OEM ones. Idk I have a 2011 legacy and a 2006 matrix and between the two of those I have had less issues than the outback. Disclaimer, I do follow the severe maintenance schedule in the owners manual just to be on the safe side.
I have a 2015 outback and a 2011 legacy. 2015 Outback has 80k and has been rock solid. But the 2011 legacy had torque converter failure at 99k miles. Replaced under warranty(thank god). It’s at 136k miles and burns a bit of oil. It is still running strong. Burns out the headlight bulbs once a year which is annoying af. And the rear dif is making a popping noise. Hopefully I can make it another year or more with it so I can replace it when new/used car prices aren’t as crazy.
I work in a Subaru dealership. Your service advisor should do an oil consumption test. If you noticed the consumption from new there was a solution for this. And you are correct the reason was going to a different oil. And no 100,000 miles is not the end of life for the CVT. I see them with 150k.
I have had my outback 7 years purchased new in 2015. Has done 275,000 and no maintenance issues at all. I get it serviced religiously every 12,500. Have had same issue with oil light warning but low level warning not substantiated by dip stick check.
I have the same car, 2016 Outback Premium with 71k. It has been a great car, zero issues as well. It was my first Subaru so I was worried about oil burn and head gasket issues but so far so good! I’m getting ready to pick up a 2022 Outback soon, I’m hoping it’s trouble free like this one!
Interesting point, but I had the same model Outback and never had any worries about it burning oil or head gasket issues. Where does this rubbish come from ? Too many forums with self styled experts passing on something that somebody else has said, none of it true, all hearsay and then everyone starts to believe it. I stick to main dealer advice and nothing else. I have a 2015 Impreza, I drive it hard sometimes and it uses NO oil whatsoever between services ! Seriously, I think some people look at reports of the WRX STI and alleged head gasket issues and think every other Subaru is the same. As a point, there was never any issues with that model. Like any other manufacturer, Subaru simply re engineered and upgraded part of the engine as a routine measure after identifying an area for improvement yet people jumped on the story and basically filled the internet with reports of engines blowing up at 60k. That why I ignore all the online crap. Enjoy your Subaru :)
I have the same model with almost 125k miles on it. It's handled beautifully the entire time. I've had to add 1 qt oil approximately every 6k miles, but I'm not worried. I may have to switch to 5w30 synthetic to address that issue. No electrical or mechanical issues, except battery replacements. I've gone through 4 or 5 over the life of the car... For anyone looking for this model or other similar Subaru models, I'd certainly highly recommend!
I had our 2013 motor short block replaced at 40k miles for oil consumption. It’s been great since with no oil loss. We now own a 2018 3.6 (last year you could get without eyesight, and I don’t like those driving aids, didn’t want any issues from that system) and have not had any oil issues. Steering rack is my biggest issue. It gets noisy on dirt roads at slow speed. Replace twice now. But SOA gave us 7 yr 100k warranty for free for our troubles. They have always been great. And the Outback resale is awesome. But again is a no brainer. What are you getting next. I’m not a fan of the new gen with all touchscreen functions.
Good review. I have a 2015 with 86,000 and the car has been rock solid and dependable. I believe that proper maintenance is the key to longevity of most vehicles. I do change the oil regularly on my Outback and thankfully it hasn't had a an issue with excessive consumption. New tires all round, new front brake pads and rotors at 66k, had the dealer do a cvt and differential flush, along with new spark plugs as they are a pain to do. I know the cracked windshield is an issue which Subaru will replace, but I haven't had a problem yet. Overall I have been happy with the Outback and would probably look at the 6th gen 2020's as nothing comes close to the wagon styling except Volvo and Audi but at a significant increase in dollars.
Hello, I saw you did a cvt flush. Do you mind me asking how much that sent you back? Some say the trans fluid don’t need to be changed. But I feel it would benefit. I hope it wasn’t too much. Ty
@@prep214 I would have to dig for the old invoice but pretty sure it was close to $300 for the cvt flush. I can tell you I noticed a difference immediately, it was smoother, quieter and drove better. So yeah, well worth it to be honest. I had also heard that it doesn't need to be changed, but decided to have it done as i don't trust "lifetime" fluids for anything, they all degrade eventually.
The vehicle can be consuming oil for multiple reasons. One is when the motor wears in, the piston rings and the sidewalls of the cylinders wear, the ow20 oil (pretty much water oil) will burn more, its just due to wear of the motor and normal especially with such thin oil. Going to 5w30 synthetic will most likely fix that issue. Also highway driving chews through oil as well.
Subarus generally don’t break down. Very reliable. It seems the headgasket issues are actually gone this time with the passing of the EJ series engines. I don’t like the CVT, but Subaru has designed fairly reliable ones. I’d like to see them design a dual clutch trans. I think that would satisfy a broad amount of people.
The old head gasket story was blown out of proportion by keyboard warriors who knew nothing. All cut and pasting the same crap about it. Subaru redesign and evaluate constantly, and an improvement was identified but that wasnt an admission the engines were going to blow up. As for the CVT, I like it because I cant feel the gear changes in the same way as a normal auto transmission. Its one reason I like the Outback. For me the next stage would be to upgrade it to the same as Toyota use, the ECVT. Ive asked Subaru about this and there are no plans but it would improve efficiency and response, although once you get used to the CVT and understand how to get the best out of it, theres nothing wrong with it.
@@jasonk19xx17 *normally expect them to do that , remember the PT Cruiser won car of the year , yet it was a poorly built piece crap with tons of recalls*
I bought new a 2010 six cylinder Outback. Never an oil consumption or any problem. Sold it at 115,000 miles cause I didn't need two vehicles. But it was my favourite vehicle during my 40 years of driving. My 2014 non turbo Forester, no problems after 60,000 miles.
I have a 2013 Outback I purchased new in 2012, with just 70k miles. Overall it is running good. First major repair was cat-back exhaust replacement due to rust. I also replaced the rear camera due to water ingress. Only current problem is water dripping in the interior after a hard rain, and i think i need to pull down the headliner and tighten the roof rack bolts. I will change the CVT fluid next year. When i had the front bumper off to change some bulbs (insanity!) i noticed some rust on the front of the frame which is hidden by the plastic underbody cover. The key to keeping these cars going is 6 month oil changes, and replacing diff fluids on schedule. Tires can be a major pain if you need to replace a damaged tire, and wind up replacing 4 tires due to AWD tread requirements. I am impressed that the car still rides great... no squeaks or rattles after 11 years.
My wife’s RAV4 doesn’t burn any oil. 140k miles currently. We sold her last RAV4 at 300k miles. Only thing that went wrong was the alternator. Also have a sequoia and Avalon. Same experience as with the RAV4. All my friends with subarus over the last 30 years, head gaskets, oil leaks, oil consumption, wheel bearings, heat shields rattling, cv boots, ac issues etc……… Me, 2 alternators and 1 water pump, in almost a million combined miles over 4 cars.
The head gasket thing is an old canard. That issue, forever associated with Subaru, had long been fixed. Subaru's actual cryptonite is the their CVT transmissions.
That seems to be a very big generalisation of Subaru if youre talking about a 30 year period. You cannot compare cars from that long ago to the modern models we have now. Engineering has moved on somewhat. Ive had three Subarus. The Outback, faultless, my Impreza, faultless and uses NO oil whatsoever between services. Just keeps going strong. Have faith.
Got a 2024 Outback base trim. Love it. The seats are by far the most comfortable of any vehicle and I love the cabin. Wished I could get a truck with a Subaru interior.
It’d be nice to know the depreciation you saw over that time. What did you pay for air and what did you sell it for. Cost of ownership is great too, but I think a huge selling point for Subarus is the resale value.
@@TFLnow If it was valued before 100k miles it probably would have been worth 15k or more. That 100k mark drops the value like a boat anchor. Love this video and all your content. Been a fan for over a decade! Keep up the amazing work my friend and Happy Holidays 🎄☃️❄🎁
@@kerryrwac I wouldn't, the damage is already done. Changing it might cause more problems and kill it. I don't know what the dealership said but even with Mitsubishi, they state in their maintenance manual to change the CVT fluid after a certain period. This lifetime oil is a load of BS, especially when they only guarantee the transmission to last up to 80k miles, and when it goes, you have no comeback or redress.
@@michaelbroderick6830 if im not mistaken in canada and japans subaru, they have a maintenance period listed. not sure why car companies think they can pull a fast one on us with this lifetime fuild BS. even if it could stand allot of stress, leaks and age are still a think. fine what ever, say its a life time fluid. but give us a dam dipstick
Having the same issues with oil consumption at 60k. Dealer found that PCV was clogged. Replaced it and we going to keep tabs to see if this solves the problem.
I had a 2018 Forester for 4 years. Loved the car but the AC constantly failing was kinda a deal killer. 6 times under warranty. Then when it went out the 7th time, I sold the car. Not dealing with that on my dime.
@@mmiller1188 ordered mine, was one of the last ordered. Broke it in strictly and maintain it best as possible. Sorry you had that experience I'm grateful mine has been good knock on wood
You are one of the few lucky one! My friend had a 2016, he had constant problems with transmission and breaks. My neighbor bought a new 2019 forester that was loosing coolant and overheated since day one till it needed a new engine.
Same here new in Oct 2015 Outback, never had an oil consumption issue, The CVT did need a new clutch pack for the front differential fluid change at 36,000 miles, also valve cover gasket leakage, radio screen went milky and control arm bushings and ball joints now at 38,000 miles but no other issues. Very happy with my outback seven years later it has 39,000 miles on it still rides and looks like new. Never got more than 25 miles to the gallon, but I’m 100% city driving, light to light.
I am at 104K miles on a Cloth seated 2013 PREMIUM OB...Those cloth seats are good to go the distance! also no mechanical problems...CVT still going strong...0W20 is a very thin oil, specifically for a modern 10.5:1 compression tight tolerance engine...The snow tires are definitely sweetening the deal, and IMO the real reason to own an Outback is on snowtires thorugh the winter...its simply stress free.
105k on my Premium, it's a nearly flawless car with really nothing major beyond regular maintenance. 5k oil changes. Torn on whether I need to spend $25 plus trade-in for a low-miles replacement. All my driving is freeway, no snow W Washington
I know this is an older video but a potential reason that the window switches might not have been working correctly is because when the battery gets disconnected from the car, the entire system gets restarted. There is a simple way to fix it (I did it before) but I can't remember the exact way that I did it; I do know that it doesn't require you to go under the hood or go through the electronics. It is just a simple pattern that you have to do with the switches. There are videos of how to do it on youtube (how I found out). However, this is just a theory to what might have been the problem, either way I am loving my 2016 outback and I hope that more people look into buying this car!
My 2012 limited Outback with the navigation option is running pretty well. Doesn’t seem to be burning oil and I’ve done oil changes usually every four thousand miles. I chose synthetic oil when I go for oil changes too. Runs very well, and it has held up for it being nearly a decade old and driven in the snow belt (north jersey). Electronics work too. Headlights are fine, sunroof opens and closes, power seats work, heated seats work, navigation works, HarmonKardon speakers work, not bad for 98,400 miles!
Maybe it is not a good comparison. I have a 2006 Outback with 215000 miles, I have only lately noticed the transmission, when cold, shifts a bit hard into 4th gear. Never a major failure, just routine maintenance. I think mine will go another 40000 miles or more. I live here in Colorado also, best place to live. I really enjoy the TFL videos.
All cars burn oil because in the new cars the engine vent valve pcv is recycling the oil into the pistons which fouls the piston rings and it starts burning out. On old cars the pcv valve was vented into the air, which did not foul the pistons rings. . Many new cars have this problem. I don't know why they don't inform people to check the engine oil monthly.
I just serviced a 2015 Outback with 116,000 miles. Replaced air filter, spark plugs, valve cover gaskets, fuel filter. In the glove box there is a Warranty Maintaince booklet that tells when to change oils, filters, plugs, and belts. My Outback had 300, 302 misfire code because owner never changed the plugs at 60k miles. I fixed it. Your oil leak is your valve cover gaskets, and your coils have to be wet with oil. Most of this oil burns off of the valve cover before it touches the ground. It cost around $2,000 to have fuel filter, spark plugs, and valve cover gaskets changed on a Outback. Dealership wanted to keep my Outback for 3 days. It took me 14 hours to change the plugs and gaskets. Working on a Subaru is expencive on labor.
Question: I never opened the maintenance Bible and I just assumed taking my 2015 Premium to the dealer at regular intervals was good. Can I assume the 60k spark plug job was done? All I've focused on has been 5k proper oil changes and regular service. Great car at 105k
Evaporation rate of oil changes as an engine ages with mileage (Especially synthetic) roughly one quart around 3k. This has been my experience with all of my vehicles over 100k ( roughly 4 GMs and 2 Fords)It has to do with emissions and build up of contaminates in the motor. Yes it is normal. Just be diligent and check the oil and all other fluids.
Subaru's have always had this issue, new or used, low mileage or high it is a problem. I have owned a couple over the years, including my mother, and some friends, that all did this.
@@phild9813 - It's the nature of the engine design. Both of my Subarus needed about a quart between oil changes. One was at 219k miles when sold and the other was 278k miles.
I have a 2007 honda civic doesn't burn a drop of oil. Subaru uses these low friction piston rings to increase gas mileage so I suspect that's why it burns some oil
I do not have this issue in my 05 Outback on full synthetic 5w-30. I do a sea foam flash before oil changes to keep it clean and piston rings free. They probably all need a clean out if any oil burning is present.
Good review. I had a 2016 Outback, sadly had to downsize after a year but it was a fabulous car, it did everything I wanted. A great workhorse and definitely the most comfortable seating position of any car i've had, because it was electric I could adjust it to perfection. Very refined, pulled very well it was more than enough power for daily use. Not a sports car but once I got used to the CVT, it could fly well enough even without trying too much. Yes, a great car. Glad yours served you well.
I totally agree about problem with the passenger side window. If I press the window button in pulses, it’s good. However, the automatic up button makes the window go up and then down by itself. I have a 2016 Outback. There was a free transmission replaced at 55 K due to the manufacturer’s fault, and is guaranteed to 100K. I’ve about 78K now and all seem well. My only concern is how long it will last. My previous Honda went to over 210K. I love the car like drive and steadiness in snow and rain. Nice review. I really appreciate the long long term reviews because most reviewers call 1 year long term. Most of us keep our cars longer than that.
The body and interior of my 2013 Subaru Outback has held up remarkable. It has 160,000 miles currently. It does have the issue with the oil!! It is annoying because that synthetic oil becomes expensive. At about 100,000+ the backup camera display doesn't give me a picture just the GRY lines. Around 135,000+ one of the motor cylinders failed. The dealer charged $3,700 to replace it. Less than 5,000 miles later another cylinder failed. My regular macanic asked why all 4 where not replaced to start. So I asked the dealer on my return visit. Said it was not their standard. So after several months of negotiations the remaining 3 cylinders were replaced for parts only price. NOW at 160,000 just under the CVT is dying!!! Would it invest in another Outback? Probably not!!
We have the same oil issue with a 14 Crosstrek. The Cross also had a AC issue under warranty that I had to battle the dealer over for months until they fixed it. No issues with a 18 Forester and Impreza - so far.
Our 2011 outback ate through brakes and lights. It also started to completely fall apart after 90k (water pump, window switches, computer, and more). We averaged $1000 a 2 times a year in repairs and maintenance after the warranty was over. It was one of the most expensive vehicles we have ever owned.
Starting to see that with my 2016 Subaru Levorg wagon. I've had engine issues, excessive carbon build-up, CVT TCM problems, excessive engine knock, and finally after fixing all those things my CVT is starting to slip and shudder under load. It seems they really start to fall apart around the 90k or / 5-6 year mark, regardless of how well they maintained. Interior also wears very badly. Would I buy another subaru? - No way, unless it was an old WRX STi or something.
My 2011 legacy with 99k miles had a torque converter failure. Was covered under warranty and had it replaced in 2018. 136k miles are on the car now at it’s been ok. I have the Same headlight issue. Burn out every year or so and are such a pain in the ass to replace. Ended up just taking it to a shop and laying 40$ instead of fiddling around for so long. Our 2015 Outback has been better but fingers crossed.
@@micego46 Why didn't you replace them with LED bulbs and never have the issue again? Seems some people just think modern conveniences should have the same reliability as a 1960's car that didn't have shit on it to break. Those year Subaru's went through bulbs because when the lights are left in auto, a surge happens upon starting the car with the headlights on and wears out the filament prematurely. A little reading and a $40 set of LEDs on Amazon fix it forever. There are no modern cars without issues due to technology and having to redesign every few years to keep selling and be competitive in the market. Buy a Jeep or Dodge product and tell me how the electrical holds up in 5 years. Replacing the bulbs is a ten minute job. Two screws and you pull the light assembly right out and replace the bulbs. Trying to do it without removing the light assembly is a PITA and the incorrect method. Don't blame Subaru because you don't know how to wrench. Everything anyone could want to know is at your fingertips with UA-cam and forum posts. Turn off the cat videos and TikTok bullshit and learn about your vehicle. Save $$$ and have the satisfaction or doing something for yourself. No offense intended in any of these comments.
Our 2017 had many issues. We sold it right before it hit 100k. Bought new, at 21k miles they had to pull the engine for a cam seal leak, over the years 3 wheel bearings, 3 batteries (electrical issues), AC compressor, uses almost 2 quarts oil every 5k, a dash noise/vibration that they could never fix. I’ve had 3 foresters and this outback. We bought a RAV 4 instead. Too many issues to buy another Subaru. Liked the car, but the issues were the killer
20 weight oil is thin oil right from the start. Thinner oil is for cold climates because its not thick heavier oil and will flow easier. In bigger engines oil heaters are used to keep the oil thin, so it can flow at starting, so you don't damage the engine. Heat thins oil and thinner oil does burn up faster so you do need to check it more regularly. You can see the same with cooking oil...its heavy until its heated.
Our family has a 2011 legacy and a 2015 outback like yours. Our 2011 Legacy had trans issues at exactly 99k miles in 2018. This was covered under Subaru extended warranty for transmission. The dealer said it was a torque converter issue which we had replaced. The leagacy has 136k on it and the new torque converter and engine are still going strong for now. I wonder if the revamped models 2015+ fixed some of the issues.
No car reviews ever talk about reliability and outside of fuel consumption and price… reliability is a big subject nobody touches. Annoying, because I check owners on Reddit that have problems with their cars.
We have 2013 Outback 3.6. 65k miles. New tires, brakes, fluids. Only thing broken is rear camera. Never required any non maintenance repairs. No rust, in Minnesota.
I have a 2015 outback 70K miles & am also happy with my purchase, but I’ve had the following issues: 1.) rear right window also doesn’t work, but I have kids back there so I’m ok with it 2.) gear shifter would not unlock after 50K miles. Dealership replaced for free 3.) windshield also cracked due to a really hot day (117 degrees) in SoCal. Dealership replaced for free after a lot of complaining. I do not have burning oil. I use Mobil 1 full synthetic & change once a year/ less than 10K miles. My gas mileage is not nearly as high, but I do mostly street driving and now live in WA state with all hill driving. I think in SoCal I was averaging 27 MPG & now in WA my average is currently 22 MPG.
I have a 2014 legacy with 88k miles I bought 4 years ago at 60k miles and I’ve been very happy. It’s needed a clock spring for the horn, a battery, oil changes and I did brakes today. That’s all it’s needed
I own a 2015 2.5 Outback Limited , just passing 149,000 on the odometer. My first Subaru, and very happy that she still runs and rides like brand new. These cars are built pretty solid, unlike most of the cars I have owned in the past. I live in South Florida with the high heat and humidity which may give different results for certain things. From the beginning I have been changing the oil every 7,000 with mobile one full synthetic ow20, and adding half a quart every 4,000, between the changes. My batteries only last every three years, but the past two, I did not have to pay for because they did not last past their warrantees. Added transmission fluid, but did not flush yet. Did flush radiator. Other than that, the normal stuff, tires ,alignment, brakes, wiper replacement, serpentine belt, and one repair only ... The back passenger side was making a whining noise at about 125,000 miles. I had to replace the wheel bearing. Overall, I am very impressed with my Outback!
I know we aren’t really comparing apples to apples here, but I have a 2001 Toyota 4Runner, has just over 270K miles. It runs like a dream. Just make you do the normal maintenance. I think Toyota and Subaru are really up to date on their reliability status!
I got my CPO 2018 outback 3.6R 6 months ago. No issues but does also burn a little oil. If you follow the recommended 6,000 mile oil change schedule it will never be an issue
Im a subaru mechanik in germany. Interessting is, that you see a definitiv difference in build quality from the USA produced cars (we have a US-Army base nearby, and the soliders bring thier cars with them) and the Japanese produced cars (europe gets the Japanese build cars, VIN starting with JF1*****) Especially the vinly on the chaper seats and armrest is a common failiure point on the US made cars... fun fact > the leather interiors on japanese cars use better leather, the US ones even have Vinyl on the side of the bolsters.) Mechanicly the cars are about the same, Even when the cars get a lot less maintainace from the US drivers (maybe because matainace is way more expensive here, like engine oil etc.)
My 2015 Forester with manual transmission didn't have any problems until about 120,000 miles where the ambient temperature sensor failed. Front control arm bushings about 125,000 miles. Throw-out bearing started to make noise about 130,000 miles so I replaced the clutch. Then nothing until about 230,000 miles where something with the viscus coupling was making noise and was popping out of gear in first and second when allowing it to coast down hills.
I have a 2016 with 133k. The door switch it a program you can do at home, it happens when the battery is low or disconnected. I had an exhaust gasket and rear hatch motor replaced under warranty. My car only burned oil once driving at high speed all day. I have taken it everywhere in 120 degree heat to snow. Never let us down.
I have a 2014 2.5 premium. Oil brand makes a difference in consumption. I do my own oil changes, and I started with Quaker State full synthetic and got the low oil light after about 3k miles. Switched to Castrol for next change and did not lose a drop. Tested Wal Mart Super Tech for third and doesn’t lose a drop. Bought a 80,000, oil changes every 5,000, just turned 105,000. Try different oil brands and see what works 😉
I've always personally wanted to know the hardcore truth about Subarus and literally watching this video I trust yours opinions and that's just amazing hundred thousand miles and not that many hiccups personally speaking you cannot beat that thank you Andre for another great video once again man. Thank You and have a Blessed day everyone
That window issue is a battery thing. If you google it, there are forms out there. It happened on my wife's 2017. Replaced the battery, fixed the fault, and no issues since.
Subaru windshields I suspect may crack more easily than some. My 2007 Legacy is on its third windshield but this one has lasted since 2012 I think, knock on wood. Second set of head gaskets are starting to go, but I don't know if they finally started using better gaskets on the 2.5s. I know they say so, but then they said that the issue was solved back then too! Biggest issue for me for a new Subie isn't the head gaskets but rather the CVT. I don't trust 'em, and if they can only be counted on to last 100k, that's certainly no good. Glad to see yours hasn't given you problems. I'm still not a CVT fan however.
My 2013 outback was burning 1 qt of oil per 1,000 miles at 20,000 miles and 2 years of ownership. It got a new short block under warranty at 36,000 miles and seems to be okay especially since I switched to 5/30w oil.
My neighbors have been serial Subaru owners since they graduated from college in 1982. They have driven them exclusively. They owned a Outback that had multiple head gasket failures and traded it in on a Ascent. That vehicle has had endless repairs from minor to significant including a CVT pump failure at 55k. They also own a Crosstrek which while not as problematic has had some issues in less than 20,000 miles. They say they're not buying Subarus again and when they replace their vehicles it's most likely going to be a Honda or Toyota or perhaps Mazda.
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My wife and I had a 2018 forester that my daughter now drives. Unfortunately it had several major problems that I hadn’t had on a new car previously. Rear wheel bearings went bad twice. Once under warranty and failed again after warranty. We definitely had the oil burning issue, my wife called me and said the oil light came on and I freaked out. We never missed an oil change, but that issue did get a little better over time. The AC lines exploded at 75,000 a $1900 repair. Lastly, the front suspension wore out on the front end just after 100k…..It’s a safe car and will get you anywhere, but we’ve spent quite a bit of money on repairs…I actually like car, but Suburu should have fixed the wheel bearing issues a long time ago. It’s been a known problem for years..
My biggest "complaint" is that the windshields crack without any strike or impact. I know this because I parked my 2015 Premium in the sun for two months without driving and when I returned the windshield was cracked. I'm on my 4th windshield with all similar histories
I have a 2010 with 125k still going strong, just did plugs for the second time. Maintenance and a few bits and pieces was all it needed. I wish people would get over the idea of dumping cars at 100k
i am in China. 2 months ago, i got my Outback 2.5i flagship edition to replace my 13-year 100k miles Highlander. this is my first Subaru, hope i can drive it without big problem for 10 or more years.
Thanks for the update, these sort of real-world reports are good to have. I don't own a Subaru currently, but have owned five of them over the years and all have been good reliable cars with minimal issues. I still have a soft spot for the Outback after having three of them. Just a good all around car.
I have the '15 Crosstrek XV Ltd w/43,000 miles, that looks brand new. EXCELLENT on gas. I fill up once a month and I'm all over Long Island. LOVE my Crosstrek!
Glad you had a good experience. After buying my 2015 outback 2.5i premium in Feb 2015, I have recommended this car to everyone. Purchased with 1800 miles and I'm now at 311k miles. Original engine, original trans, and minimal repairs. Going to try and pass 400k!
Well done, proper maintenance is the key, I have the same OB as you with 86K, hoping to get many more miles out of it as I just don't see anything on the market to compare.
@@Brian-jv8iy are you sure you really own a BMW? or did you consider taking apart the entire upper half of the engine a "vanos service" to be normal?
Do you have the six speed or the CVT? I can see the manual having way less issues.
@@guantai69 Did you hear him talking about the CVT for like a minute?
Impressive!
Not sure if somebody else pointed this out...but...every time you disconnect the battery on these cars, the passenger front window will stop working, and you need to reset the switch. There are plenty of videos on how to do the reset on youtube. Apologies if you are aware of this.
Not true
It is true. Can be prevented with a 9V battery and alligator clips on the cables, or a battery tender. Not a big deal to fix anyway if it does happen. Easy to reset.
How do you reset it?
@@steveguardabene4849it is I have a 2016
I have a 2013 outback with 80k miles and it’s running fine. Hasn’t needed anything other than basic maintenance.
This car isn’t the best at anything, but it’s really good at everything!
It’s probably the best overall car I’ve owned.
I am planning on buying a 2013 outback. What kind of maintenance have you done to the transmission?
Own two outbacks, a 2020 and 2014 since new, no oil consumption problems and as a matter of fact, no problems at all. Love the comfort of the seats and the ride not to mention they go anywhere. As a trucker with 3 million miles under my belt in trucks I know routine maintenance is the key.
How often do you do oil changes?
@@Walterrinho once a year, I am a trucker and I figure if oil in a truck lasts 30 to 50 thousand miles then 9 dollar synthetic oil should last 10 thousand miles in my cars. Never had any trouble.
Rputone maintanance woth Suboe = engine change
My neighbor’s 2014 outback with 120k miles has just been diagnosed with a bad cvt transmission. He loves the car. New cvt is $7400.
I have the same car, same trim, same year and same color. Mine has just over 100,000 miles and runs virtually like new. There's no notable wear on the center console cover or anywhere else inside other than the driver's carpet under the gas pedal. It needed two wheel bearings replaced around 40,000 - 50,000 miles but otherwise has needed only tires and brakes. Brake pads seem to last about 50,000 miles in my driving (mostly country roads and highways in Vermont). There's no rust on the body panels and only light rust on the underbody. The car is undercoated every winter. Mine uses about 3/4 - one quart of oil every 5000 miles. MPG tends to be about 30 in warmer months and about 27 in the winter. Our other Subarus have all kept running well through 250,000 miles but those older ones all needed head gaskets and timing belt replacements. The timing chain on this 2015 seems to be work fine and, knock wood, this generation may not have head gasket issues. All in all, an excellent car for Vermont with very good fuel economy given its size and AWD system. This is the sixth Suby we've owned and the best. The owner of the shop that has worked on my cars, for 27 years now, has the same year and model. His has also been excellent overall. I'd like to see an Outback EV.
You gonna love the EV of Subaru Still AWD,Fun to Drive,Tough and have a another safety features added
I like how dealerships say excessive oil consumption is “normal”. A work associates new Chevy suv was 2-3 quarts low after a 300 mile trip same BS from the dealership.
What do you mean the Chevrolet has a 2-stroke engine doesn't it?
chevy quality for u
Subaru launched a massive campaign advising customers to check your oil level at every other gas fill up. The boxer engine burns 1qt of oil for every 1k miles. With only 5.1 qts in the engine, a low light would come on about 3k miles. It actually tells you in the owners manual, you will burn oil. Lol!
I know the first FB engines had oil issues when they were first introduced. I owned 4 Subarus (2 with the EJ and 2 6 cylinders) and never had oil consumption issues with any of them.
@@COBBRACING21 my 2009 chevy doesnt leak or burn a drop of oil between 5,000 mile oil changes.
I have a 2018 outback 3.6r. 90k miles now
Only issues I had was replacing the inner tie rods and the harman kardon amplifier stopped working. Dealer replaced it. Aside from that,. replaced the tires and brake pads and brake fluid, battery as its normal consumable items.
I just do regular oil changes every 9k miles using fully synthetic 5w-30.
Engine and transmission is super reliable, no leaks and no oil consumption issues. Power is pretty solid, overtaking is a breeze!
I love this car and will keep it as long as I can.
Bought our Subaru 2013 H6 Legacy in October. Still own it. Now at 9 years has 130,000 miles. After 100,000 we also had problems but almost all were suspension parts as the roads in CT are terrible. The rear wheel bearing went, the front struts went, the front control arms went, the driver window regulator died, the driver master switch died, and the master brake cylinder went. All repairs were between 120,000 and 130,000 miles.We have the leather interior, and don't have any of the issues they are having. Total repairs were around $6000. Still we paid for no repairs before 120,000. So now that most of the suspension has been replaced, we hope we are fine for a while. We also burn some oil, but do oil changes every 5000 miles so we are fine. Overall we like it.
Andre, We would have liked to learn the details of your maintenance schedule on this car. It is fair to say there was a time when reaching 100,000 miles was considered an achievement in reliability. Today 200,000 is the new 100K as other brands have raised the level of expectation. Maybe the new owner can report back to TFL in another 95,000 miles to fill us in on the details.
My 2016 Hilus has 412000 and my 2017 Land Cruiser has 215000 not a single issue so far.
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@@tunintunin3417400,000miles on a 2016! That's road warrior status
I had a 2015 Legacy 3.6 and traded it a few months ago with 86k and now have a 2018 Crosstrek Limited. The Legacy was flawless over the time I owed it. So far my Crosstrek to has been bullet proof over its 43k miles. I have gotten oil changes done at Subaru on both cars every 6,000 miles. Never has the oil been low on either. I work for a PreOwned dealership and we sell numerous Subaru’s a month with mileage ranging anywhere from 3k to around 120k miles. Not one has ever come back with an issue. I’ve never been in one where a low oil light has come on. I’ve never seen any with a cracked armrest either. The only issue I’ve noticed is the window issue you mentioned. We have never had to replace a regulator though. All we’ve had to do is reprogram the switch which is as easy as rolling the window down from either that particular door or the drivers door (whichever works) and holding the switch for a few seconds and then rolling the window up and holding the switch for a few seconds….problem solved. Maybe your particular car has an issue in the wiring in that door. Overall, I’ve been extremely satisfied with my two Subaru’s as have my family and friends who own Subaru’s. I’d buy another in a heartbeat.
I work in dealer and Subaru is my favourite car compared to other car Subaru is fun to drive and safely
I'm similar I have a 2015 Subaru Legacy with 165,000 miles. The car still runs like a champ. I probably have to add a quart of oil every 3,000 miles. For me the issues were the bumper clips and recently the air conditioning blower motor. Both were easy repairs at home. I would buy a Subaru again. I am hoping I can get at least 200,000 miles out of the car. I will drive it till the end though! I did not have any issues with my center console arm rest tearing. Sorry you experienced that.
Ive sold these for 6 years and we have had several 15 models with 100k-190k miles. The transmission have always seemed fine. Its just the little chrome bits and small electronic items that dont want to cooperate anymore. Overall they are solid. The oil consumption is something subaru is always sketchy on. Dont know why. Ive seen Subaru goodwill a some high mileage cars but when it comes to oil consumption its GFY. very strange
The oil consumptions due to bad piston ring design, and through a place that they would need to pull the engine out and take it all apart, and I don't think that it's worth it to them. It's one thing to do a small freebie here and there, but it's another to start handing out engine rebuilds to pretty much all owners
Remember how Subaru has treated the headgasket issue on the EJ engines. Very similar. They refuse to acknowledge it as a failure..somehow.
Problem with them is, unlike Toyota and Honda, Subaru is a small company that cannot afford to make good on their screwups, like bad trannys and oil consumption. The only way the consumer can fix that is to vote with their wallet, and give them a GFY.
I’ve been a loyal Subaru owner for decades and the oil consumption is normal(not saying it’s always a good thing depending on how much is consumed in how long of a time) and figured out how to minimize it as much as possible( this really goes for all cars but seems to work well with Subarus) always allow your engine to warm up(get the oil moving around and warm up the aluminum which allows the sealing of the piston and bore) simply starting it and driving off burns more oil due to the clearance between the piston and bore while engine is cold. With horizontal engines, the pistons squeegees the oil out of the bore while normal V or inlines have gravity assist. That squeegee doesn’t work well when the engine is cold resulting in blow by and burned oil.
ALSO I have been using “Restore” oil additive in all of my Subarus since I first owned my 270,000 mile 1995 Impreza and 5 Subarus later(I’ve owned and built many) I’ve noticed less oil consumption on every engine after using it( I’m talking less then a quart burned in a normal oil change interval(4000-5000miles))
I drive an Impreza fairly spiritedly and it uses NO oil whatsoever between services. I had an Outback that used NO oil either. I really dont know what some people do with their cars.
Perhaps you should check your oil level, and not wait for the oil light to tell you
Was thinking the same thing.
Absolutely.
Typical American he wearing the engine more by not doing tht
@@andersonrodriguez8258 Yeah, there's also the heating time. I'm personally in love with my cars including subarus, and I always take the time to properly heat the oil to at least 60°C a few minutes + driving a few kilometers chill. No even a milliliter of consumption as of now (75,000km, 46.6k miles) between each 15k km service. Proper heating is one great parameter.
Was thinking the same as Bill Malec. How difficult is it to pull the dipstick every now and again? Do it before you start the engine and you don’t even have to wipe it.
The windshield is a stress fracture caused by body flex, and I have to say in my decades as an auto glass tech, that’s the worst I’ve ever seen. The oil issue is blow bye which isn’t necessarily a bad thing but not a good thing either. I think the window regulator issue was a glass tech that didn’t know what the hell he or she was doing.
How do you know in this case it's body flex? Curious what you are looking for to figure that out.
Same with the neighborhood alarm/stereo place. My uncles Corolla alarm had lots of problems from bad electrical work.
There's literally no indication of what cracked the windshield. Nor for anything you said, for that matter, for you to be so sure of yourself.
My 2019 Outback's windshield cracked for no apparent reason. I was just driving down the highway, heard that terrible, unsettling sound and suddenly there was a crack spreading on my windshield. I always thought it was something small moving faster than I could see it (a heavy bolt or something), but there wasn't an obvious impact point. But there also wasn't a big bump or anything that would be a smoking gun for a moment of the body flexing
Subaru of America has agreed to a settlement of the cracked windshield lawsuit brought against the Camden, N.J. automaker. The recent windshield settlement only includes 2015 Subaru Outback and Legacy models and 2016 Subaru Outback and Legacy models.
The lawsuit was initially filed in June 2017 when a California woman who claimed her 2015 Subaru Outback developed a crack that had "spontaneously appeared" at the base of the windshield. She was represented by attorneys Glancy Prongay & Murray and Greenstone Law APC.
You are included in the settlement if you own or leased, or previously owned or leased a 2015 Subaru Outback and 2015 Subaru Legacy in the U.S., equipped with the All-Weather Package. Owner's vehicles with their original windshields and who paid for replacement of their factory windshields because of the cracking condition and who have not yet obtained reimbursement are eligible.
You are included in the settlement if you own or leased, or previously owned or leased a 2016 Subaru Outback or 2016 Subaru Legacy equipped with the All-Weather Package. The vehicle's VIN, whose last seven digits are lower than 2016 Outback, with Eyesight: G3222455, 2016 Outback, without Eyesight: G3210476 2016 Legacy, with Eyesight: G3011247, and 2016 Legacy, without Eyesight: G3006359.
The vehicles must have their original windshields, and owners paid for replacing their original windshields because of the cracking condition described in this case but who have not yet obtained reimbursement. Owners must have proof of the repair and information about the business that performed the repair.
Subaru's cvt transmissions will go well over 140,000 if properly maintained. The common issue is that original owners trade them in just before the scheduled fluid change, and the 2nd owners don't bother to change the trans. fluid or wait until it is too late, causing damage. Note: you should always change fluids on any CVT way before manufactures recommendation. The cost of the service is fairly steep. I'm thinking manufactures are trying to get more miles per service to hold down the five year ownership cost (on paper) It is a very stupid sales idea.
I did the maintenance:
Transmission fluid change
AWD fluid change
Brake fluid change
Costed me like 700$(canadian)if I recall
Problems I got:
Changed Passenger window mechanical switch, it broke.
AC, Had to get it repaired
Two front suspension changed
Two front ball joint changed
I’m at 140k km
I hope it lasts another 140k lol
I can’t afford a new vehicle of that size with our shit salaries and the inflation of these 4 last years.
We have the same exact car. The transmission went out at 37K, it was replaced under warrantee. Other than that good luck so far at 66K miles. Ours has also used some oil since new as well, more oil than my 99 Corolla with 190K miles.
Great review, thanks for this. We just picked up a 2022 Wilderness a month ago and look forward to taking it on all kinds of road trips across Canada. It's been great so far on some local trails and side roads, and is extremely capable in 30 cm of snow.
Now I know there’s really no way for you all at TFL to keep your test vehicles for 5+ years and put over 100k on them, but this is the kind of video I’ve been longing to see! Whenever you look at videos for “X car reliability” or long term reviews they keep the car for a year, and put maybe 30k miles on them at most. If you’re not putting at least 100k on a car are you even testing it’s reliability? What year is this? 1962? Cars don’t fall apart driving off the lot anymore.
Well, it's his own car. He was always worried about the CVT breaking but it looks like he's won out :)
These long term reliability reviews are super useful. Does the team have a playlist of the long term reviews for other cars?
I love when dealers say "This is normal" ? Right normal for engines allowing oil to seep past the cylinder rings ! Happened with our 2011 Outback that we got rid of at 120k miles. My wife misses it, but I knew those were "terminal" conditions. It burned oil, it leaked coolant from the exhaust, and smoked on start up sometimes (no not water vapor) its a love hate relationship with Subaru. If you own one under warranty, great, if you dont . boy get ready for super expensive repairs !
My 3.6 2018 Outback sucks oil down like a champ. It’s consistently 1.5-2 quarts low after 3000-3500 miles. It’s been completely reliable beyond that minor grievance after 77k miles.
"Minor grievance"? Lol! Why you giving them a pass?
Lol you're funny. You think that's minor?
@@pingpongballz5998 traded in now 🤷♂️ it never hurt the car, but it did suck oil like a champ.
@@JSS75 good you traded it
Now driving our sixth Outback. Lowest mileage when sold was 119,000. Highest 254,000.
I bought a new Forester in 2015. It’s August 2024 now and I’ve had no maintenance issues so far. CVT is quiet and smooth. No leaks, doesn’t burn any oil. Only thing I’ve replaced is the battery after 7 years. The old battery was working fine but I always replace vehicle batteries after 7 years.
My 2012 Outback 3.6 is just under 180k miles. Needs some oil added every 2k miles, replaced power steering pump and the headlights are a pain to change. other than that, great car. Ordered a Maverick and will trade in when that arrives.
The 3.6 is supposed to be the best Outback engine -- more power AND more reliable. Obviously fuel economy not a plus, but most people like it way better than the turbo engine that replaced it.
@@busydadscooking001 I thought their 2.5 was better though? Less expensive to fix when something goes wrong and less power means less complication and less chance of it going wrong
@@colechapman6976 You'd think. People seem to speak uniformly highly of the 3.6 if they own one; more varied reviews for the 2.5. And the 2.4T is hated by many ... luckily I have the 2.5. It has plenty of power IMO :)
I have a 2017 3.6R. Literally no complaints since I’ve owned it. Super amazing car!!!
This is nice to hear. I just bought a 2014 3.6R with 71K on it.
How have they held for you 2? Im in the market for a 2015-2019 outback because I like the character and inside a lot more than the newer ones…. I see a 2016 outback near me with only 70k miles. The 1 Owner took care of it really well as far as oil change and maintence (based of service record), but a month before it was sold it says he had the Engine timing gasket cover replaced between 60-70k miles… im afraid this might be a time bomb but maybe they’re better after replacement?
Also hearing about parasitic battery draw and what not.
Do you 2 have problems such as this with your outback, or have you had them and recovered well??
Just curious thank you if anyone see this and respond
I’m hearing other problems
@@1surfpesca_ I haven’t had a single issue with my Outback at all. Ever. It has been absolutely bulletproof. If the guy is telling you he took really good care of his, he’s probably not telling you the entire truth. I don’t know anyone who’s had problems with their Outback. The 3.6R is the MOST bulletproof rig they have ever produced.
Idk why he would replace the gaskets, unless he had a problem with oil leaking out of the block. But that’s not a thing with new Subarus in general. I’d be suspicious of this man offer if he replaced head gaskets.
As for undesired battery draw, no issues ever with that. I’d see if he has any aftermarket electronics installed. That would definitely cause excessive battery draw if not installed correctly.
In conclusion, I think the guy selling the Outback isn’t being totally truthful. Idk though, as I can’t see the vehicle or ask the gentleman any questions. ALWAYS be cautious when buying a Subaru from a private seller. I’ve had Subarus for almost a decade now, and I know what kinds of problems they give you and how to fix them. The only normal maintenance you’ve mentioned is head gaskets, but that’s really only a problem for older models. Early 2000’s and older. If it’s the last generation of the 3.6R generation, there really shouldn’t be any issues at all.
My 2 cents 👍🏻
@@DarthGandalftheBlack so I’ll give 2 responses, Im gonna clarify a couple things first:
I’m not buying from private seller, it’s actually posted on Carvana for a decent price (im not set on carvana, keeping my options open) and I can see all the service records on carfax
The service records are better than some other posts, I can tell that the oil changes were kept up in the record since it was bought new, along with everything else. Except that final service before it says it was sold. That’s when it says there was a replacement of the engine timing cover about a month before it was sold. So I don’t know where this guys head was at, if I can get his information I will, but I don’t think I can. I’m gonna contact the shop that did the service to see if they have any input.
The parasitic draw I’m talking about is a problem I’ve heard OTHERS have. This car doesn’t claim that problem. Its actually pretty much stock.
Only problem I see with it is that that timing gasket cover was replaced 60-70k miles
@@DarthGandalftheBlack 2nd response:
Thank you a lot for responding, what you’ve said reassured me in continuing to look for a 2015-2019 in good condition.
I really want a 3.6R for the power.
I had a 23 outback Wilderness but it got totaled…. So now I want to simplify the car and my payment alot more (cuz truthfully I didn’t really need the Wilderness) but I enjoy more power than the normal 2.5
Thank you for ur response
My 2017 outback 2.5i limited issues.
1) bulbs go bad in both front assemblies often
2) mpg on the readout is way over what we are actually getting. Usually 3mpg higher
3) both window switches for the front have had issues
4) cam carrier oil leak(at 65k miles)
5) brakes vibrate under hard braking and this is after replacing entire brakes with OEM ones.
Idk I have a 2011 legacy and a 2006 matrix and between the two of those I have had less issues than the outback.
Disclaimer, I do follow the severe maintenance schedule in the owners manual just to be on the safe side.
I have a 2015 outback and a 2011 legacy. 2015 Outback has 80k and has been rock solid. But the 2011 legacy had torque converter failure at 99k miles. Replaced under warranty(thank god). It’s at 136k miles and burns a bit of oil. It is still running strong. Burns out the headlight bulbs once a year which is annoying af. And the rear dif is making a popping noise. Hopefully I can make it another year or more with it so I can replace it when new/used car prices aren’t as crazy.
I work in a Subaru dealership. Your service advisor should do an oil consumption test. If you noticed the consumption from new there was a solution for this. And you are correct the reason was going to a different oil. And no 100,000 miles is not the end of life for the CVT. I see them with 150k.
I have a 2016 Crosstrek. Been dealing with quite a bit of issues. Some small, some major. Luckily it's still under warranty with 74k miles.
It 150k really isn’t that much though
@@pingpongballz5998 what issues? I’m considering Subaru
@michaelptm2269 burning oil, transmission leak, little things that kept going out, 3 issues with the AC
I have had my outback 7 years purchased new in 2015. Has done 275,000 and no maintenance issues at all. I get it serviced religiously every 12,500. Have had same issue with oil light warning but low level warning not substantiated by dip stick check.
Have you faced any battery drainage issues?
I have the same car, 2016 Outback Premium with 71k. It has been a great car, zero issues as well. It was my first Subaru so I was worried about oil burn and head gasket issues but so far so good! I’m getting ready to pick up a 2022 Outback soon, I’m hoping it’s trouble free like this one!
Interesting point, but I had the same model Outback and never had any worries about it burning oil or head gasket issues. Where does this rubbish come from ? Too many forums with self styled experts passing on something that somebody else has said, none of it true, all hearsay and then everyone starts to believe it. I stick to main dealer advice and nothing else. I have a 2015 Impreza, I drive it hard sometimes and it uses NO oil whatsoever between services ! Seriously, I think some people look at reports of the WRX STI and alleged head gasket issues and think every other Subaru is the same. As a point, there was never any issues with that model. Like any other manufacturer, Subaru simply re engineered and upgraded part of the engine as a routine measure after identifying an area for improvement yet people jumped on the story and basically filled the internet with reports of engines blowing up at 60k. That why I ignore all the online crap. Enjoy your Subaru :)
I have the same model with almost 125k miles on it. It's handled beautifully the entire time. I've had to add 1 qt oil approximately every 6k miles, but I'm not worried. I may have to switch to 5w30 synthetic to address that issue. No electrical or mechanical issues, except battery replacements. I've gone through 4 or 5 over the life of the car... For anyone looking for this model or other similar Subaru models, I'd certainly highly recommend!
@@scottdorsey8220 yea my battery went kinda quick, I think they’re a little undersized for all the electronics in the car
I had our 2013 motor short block replaced at 40k miles for oil consumption. It’s been great since with no oil loss.
We now own a 2018 3.6 (last year you could get without eyesight, and I don’t like those driving aids, didn’t want any issues from that system) and have not had any oil issues. Steering rack is my biggest issue. It gets noisy on dirt roads at slow speed. Replace twice now. But SOA gave us 7 yr 100k warranty for free for our troubles. They have always been great. And the Outback resale is awesome. But again is a no brainer. What are you getting next. I’m not a fan of the new gen with all touchscreen functions.
Awsome after 250k miles my grandfathers 2014 Lincoln MKC with the 2.0l has had new fluids, two batteries and spark plugs since new.
Good review. I have a 2015 with 86,000 and the car has been rock solid and dependable. I believe that proper maintenance is the key to longevity of most vehicles. I do change the oil regularly on my Outback and thankfully it hasn't had a an issue with excessive consumption. New tires all round, new front brake pads and rotors at 66k, had the dealer do a cvt and differential flush, along with new spark plugs as they are a pain to do. I know the cracked windshield is an issue which Subaru will replace, but I haven't had a problem yet. Overall I have been happy with the Outback and would probably look at the 6th gen 2020's as nothing comes close to the wagon styling except Volvo and Audi but at a significant increase in dollars.
I would get the new shape Outback field edition if I could. Volvo and Audi are good cars but I prefer boxer engines.
Hello, I saw you did a cvt flush. Do you mind me asking how much that sent you back? Some say the trans fluid don’t need to be changed. But I feel it would benefit. I hope it wasn’t too much. Ty
@@prep214 I would have to dig for the old invoice but pretty sure it was close to $300 for the cvt flush. I can tell you I noticed a difference immediately, it was smoother, quieter and drove better. So yeah, well worth it to be honest. I had also heard that it doesn't need to be changed, but decided to have it done as i don't trust "lifetime" fluids for anything, they all degrade eventually.
@@darrensmith8673 thank you so much. Indefinitely will get it done. Thank you!
The vehicle can be consuming oil for multiple reasons. One is when the motor wears in, the piston rings and the sidewalls of the cylinders wear, the ow20 oil (pretty much water oil) will burn more, its just due to wear of the motor and normal especially with such thin oil. Going to 5w30 synthetic will most likely fix that issue. Also highway driving chews through oil as well.
Subarus generally don’t break down. Very reliable. It seems the headgasket issues are actually gone this time with the passing of the EJ series engines. I don’t like the CVT, but Subaru has designed fairly reliable ones. I’d like to see them design a dual clutch trans. I think that would satisfy a broad amount of people.
The old head gasket story was blown out of proportion by keyboard warriors who knew nothing. All cut and pasting the same crap about it. Subaru redesign and evaluate constantly, and an improvement was identified but that wasnt an admission the engines were going to blow up. As for the CVT, I like it because I cant feel the gear changes in the same way as a normal auto transmission. Its one reason I like the Outback. For me the next stage would be to upgrade it to the same as Toyota use, the ECVT. Ive asked Subaru about this and there are no plans but it would improve efficiency and response, although once you get used to the CVT and understand how to get the best out of it, theres nothing wrong with it.
@@oddities-whatnotbut you do feel the gear changes. Subaru put fake gear changes in it.
*TFL knows how to do a proper long term review , unlike MotorTrend where they drive a car for 1 years and call it long term review*
MT drives and reviews dozens of cars every year. How could you expect them to hang onto that many cars for 5+ years?
@@jasonk19xx17 *normally expect them to do that , remember the PT Cruiser won car of the year , yet it was a poorly built piece crap with tons of recalls*
@@Slickpete83 PT Cruiser is the ugliest vehicle I've ever seen and feels like your riding in a huge tin can.
@@pamc3338 *exactly u get my point* 👍👍 and it won car of the year award hahahaha...
I bought new a 2010 six cylinder Outback. Never an oil consumption or any problem. Sold it at 115,000 miles cause I didn't need two vehicles. But it was my favourite vehicle during my 40 years of driving. My 2014 non turbo Forester, no problems after 60,000 miles.
I have a 2013 Outback I purchased new in 2012, with just 70k miles. Overall it is running good. First major repair was cat-back exhaust replacement due to rust. I also replaced the rear camera due to water ingress. Only current problem is water dripping in the interior after a hard rain, and i think i need to pull down the headliner and tighten the roof rack bolts. I will change the CVT fluid next year. When i had the front bumper off to change some bulbs (insanity!) i noticed some rust on the front of the frame which is hidden by the plastic underbody cover. The key to keeping these cars going is 6 month oil changes, and replacing diff fluids on schedule. Tires can be a major pain if you need to replace a damaged tire, and wind up replacing 4 tires due to AWD tread requirements. I am impressed that the car still rides great... no squeaks or rattles after 11 years.
My wife’s RAV4 doesn’t burn any oil. 140k miles currently.
We sold her last RAV4 at 300k miles. Only thing that went wrong was the alternator.
Also have a sequoia and Avalon. Same experience as with the RAV4.
All my friends with subarus over the last 30 years, head gaskets, oil leaks, oil consumption, wheel bearings, heat shields rattling, cv boots, ac issues etc………
Me, 2 alternators and 1 water pump, in almost a million combined miles over 4 cars.
Subaru's are just a Colorado mentality... Ton of independent Subaru shops in Co..
Assuming reliability is your top concern. Sounds like you’re doing great with your choice of cars.
The head gasket thing is an old canard. That issue, forever associated with Subaru, had long been fixed. Subaru's actual cryptonite is the their CVT transmissions.
That seems to be a very big generalisation of Subaru if youre talking about a 30 year period. You cannot compare cars from that long ago to the modern models we have now. Engineering has moved on somewhat. Ive had three Subarus. The Outback, faultless, my Impreza, faultless and uses NO oil whatsoever between services. Just keeps going strong. Have faith.
Yep. It´s most overrated Japan made car. CVT is pain. Engine is constructed to blow. It´s shit. I would rather buy Toyota/Honda/Mazda and sleep well.
Got a 2024 Outback base trim. Love it. The seats are by far the most comfortable of any vehicle and I love the cabin. Wished I could get a truck with a Subaru interior.
It’d be nice to know the depreciation you saw over that time. What did you pay for air and what did you sell it for. Cost of ownership is great too, but I think a huge selling point for Subarus is the resale value.
Bought is for close to $26,000. It’s valued at around $12,500 now. Sold it cheaper to a family member.
@@TFLnow If it was valued before 100k miles it probably would have been worth 15k or more. That 100k mark drops the value like a boat anchor. Love this video and all your content. Been a fan for over a decade! Keep up the amazing work my friend and Happy Holidays 🎄☃️❄🎁
@@TFLnow That family member might want to service the cvt transmission, if you haven't done it. New fluid and filter is cheaper than a transmission.
@@kerryrwac I wouldn't, the damage is already done. Changing it might cause more problems and kill it. I don't know what the dealership said but even with Mitsubishi, they state in their maintenance manual to change the CVT fluid after a certain period. This lifetime oil is a load of BS, especially when they only guarantee the transmission to last up to 80k miles, and when it goes, you have no comeback or redress.
@@michaelbroderick6830 if im not mistaken in canada and japans subaru, they have a maintenance period listed. not sure why car companies think they can pull a fast one on us with this lifetime fuild BS. even if it could stand allot of stress, leaks and age are still a think. fine what ever, say its a life time fluid. but give us a dam dipstick
Having the same issues with oil consumption at 60k. Dealer found that PCV was clogged. Replaced it and we going to keep tabs to see if this solves the problem.
I had a 2018 Forester for 4 years. Loved the car but the AC constantly failing was kinda a deal killer. 6 times under warranty. Then when it went out the 7th time, I sold the car. Not dealing with that on my dime.
I have that car in Roblox Greenville and it is flawless
After 8 years we have had no issues with our 2013 Forester including the AC.
4 years on my 18 forester 6mt ac has has been flawless go figure
@@musicalgreasemonkey That's what mine was! I had a hard time finding a 6MT forester too. Disappointed with how bad the AC was :(
@@mmiller1188 ordered mine, was one of the last ordered. Broke it in strictly and maintain it best as possible. Sorry you had that experience I'm grateful mine has been good knock on wood
You are one of the few lucky one! My friend had a 2016, he had constant problems with transmission and breaks. My neighbor bought a new 2019 forester that was loosing coolant and overheated since day one till it needed a new engine.
Same here new in Oct 2015 Outback, never had an oil consumption issue, The CVT did need a new clutch pack for the front differential fluid change at 36,000 miles, also valve cover gasket leakage, radio screen went milky and control arm bushings and ball joints now at 38,000 miles but no other issues. Very happy with my outback seven years later it has 39,000 miles on it still rides and looks like new. Never got more than 25 miles to the gallon, but I’m 100% city driving, light to light.
I am at 104K miles on a Cloth seated 2013 PREMIUM OB...Those cloth seats are good to go the distance! also no mechanical problems...CVT still going strong...0W20 is a very thin oil, specifically for a modern 10.5:1 compression tight tolerance engine...The snow tires are definitely sweetening the deal, and IMO the real reason to own an Outback is on snowtires thorugh the winter...its simply stress free.
105k on my Premium, it's a nearly flawless car with really nothing major beyond regular maintenance. 5k oil changes. Torn on whether I need to spend $25 plus trade-in for a low-miles replacement. All my driving is freeway, no snow W Washington
@@kippywyliedo you change fluid in CVT?
@@point4894 I don't believe the shop changed the CVT oil. 208K
I know this is an older video but a potential reason that the window switches might not have been working correctly is because when the battery gets disconnected from the car, the entire system gets restarted. There is a simple way to fix it (I did it before) but I can't remember the exact way that I did it; I do know that it doesn't require you to go under the hood or go through the electronics. It is just a simple pattern that you have to do with the switches. There are videos of how to do it on youtube (how I found out). However, this is just a theory to what might have been the problem, either way I am loving my 2016 outback and I hope that more people look into buying this car!
My 2012 limited Outback with the navigation option is running pretty well. Doesn’t seem to be burning oil and I’ve done oil changes usually every four thousand miles. I chose synthetic oil when I go for oil changes too. Runs very well, and it has held up for it being nearly a decade old and driven in the snow belt (north jersey). Electronics work too. Headlights are fine, sunroof opens and closes, power seats work, heated seats work, navigation works, HarmonKardon speakers work, not bad for 98,400 miles!
Just bought a 2012 outback! How many miles you have on your car? I got 120k and am a bit worried about cvt…
Maybe it is not a good comparison. I have a 2006 Outback with 215000 miles, I have only lately noticed the transmission, when cold, shifts a bit hard into 4th gear. Never a major failure, just routine maintenance. I think mine will go another 40000 miles or more. I live here in Colorado also, best place to live. I really enjoy the TFL videos.
All cars burn oil because in the new cars the engine vent valve pcv is recycling the oil into the pistons which fouls the piston rings and it starts burning out. On old cars the pcv valve was vented into the air, which did not foul the pistons rings. . Many new cars have this problem. I don't know why they don't inform people to check the engine oil monthly.
I just serviced a 2015 Outback with 116,000 miles. Replaced air filter, spark plugs, valve cover gaskets, fuel filter. In the glove box there is a Warranty Maintaince booklet that tells when to change oils, filters, plugs, and belts. My Outback had 300, 302 misfire code because owner never changed the plugs at 60k miles. I fixed it. Your oil leak is your valve cover gaskets, and your coils have to be wet with oil. Most of this oil burns off of the valve cover before it touches the ground. It cost around $2,000 to have fuel filter, spark plugs, and valve cover gaskets changed on a Outback. Dealership wanted to keep my Outback for 3 days. It took me 14 hours to change the plugs and gaskets. Working on a Subaru is expencive on labor.
Question: I never opened the maintenance Bible and I just assumed taking my 2015 Premium to the dealer at regular intervals was good. Can I assume the 60k spark plug job was done? All I've focused on has been 5k proper oil changes and regular service. Great car at 105k
Evaporation rate of oil changes as an engine ages with mileage (Especially synthetic) roughly one quart around 3k. This has been my experience with all of my vehicles over 100k ( roughly 4 GMs and 2 Fords)It has to do with emissions and build up of contaminates in the motor. Yes it is normal. Just be diligent and check the oil and all other fluids.
Subaru's have always had this issue, new or used, low mileage or high it is a problem. I have owned a couple over the years, including my mother, and some friends, that all did this.
I’ve literally never had a vehicle regularly need oil added prior to owning our Subaru. That is not normal. It’s BS.
@@phild9813 - It's the nature of the engine design. Both of my Subarus needed about a quart between oil changes. One was at 219k miles when sold and the other was 278k miles.
I have a 2007 honda civic doesn't burn a drop of oil. Subaru uses these low friction piston rings to increase gas mileage so I suspect that's why it burns some oil
I do not have this issue in my 05 Outback on full synthetic 5w-30. I do a sea foam flash before oil changes to keep it clean and piston rings free. They probably all need a clean out if any oil burning is present.
I own the same outback. Mine stopped burning oil after I completely flushed my coolant system and replaced with new blue. :-)
Best car I've ever owned I currently have a 2015 Outback premium 227,000 Mi on it runs like the day I bought it
Good review. I had a 2016 Outback, sadly had to downsize after a year but it was a fabulous car, it did everything I wanted. A great workhorse and definitely the most comfortable seating position of any car i've had, because it was electric I could adjust it to perfection. Very refined, pulled very well it was more than enough power for daily use. Not a sports car but once I got used to the CVT, it could fly well enough even without trying too much. Yes, a great car. Glad yours served you well.
I totally agree about problem with the passenger side window. If I press the window button in pulses, it’s good. However, the automatic up button makes the window go up and then down by itself. I have a 2016 Outback. There was a free transmission replaced at 55 K due to the manufacturer’s fault, and is guaranteed to 100K. I’ve about 78K now and all seem well. My only concern is how long it will last. My previous Honda went to over 210K. I love the car like drive and steadiness in snow and rain.
Nice review. I really appreciate the long long term reviews because most reviewers call 1 year long term. Most of us keep our cars longer than that.
Andre thanks for sharing your experience with the Outback...always good to get a review after long term use.
The body and interior of my 2013 Subaru Outback has held up remarkable. It has 160,000 miles currently. It does have the issue with the oil!! It is annoying because that synthetic oil becomes expensive. At about 100,000+ the backup camera display doesn't give me a picture just the GRY lines. Around 135,000+ one of the motor cylinders failed. The dealer charged $3,700 to replace it. Less than 5,000 miles later another cylinder failed. My regular macanic asked why all 4 where not replaced to start. So I asked the dealer on my return visit. Said it was not their standard. So after several months of negotiations the remaining 3 cylinders were replaced for parts only price. NOW at 160,000 just under the CVT is dying!!! Would it invest in another Outback? Probably not!!
What did you expect would happen Dianna? Cars need preventative maintenance otherwise they break. This goes for all cars not just Subaru.
@@artilleryisbetter my car has been properly maintained. I don't appreciate your implications otherwise.
@@diannadunford8098 2013 was the worst year for Outback. I’m surprised you made it that long but you did maintain it.
I have a 2002 Subaru Forrester. Bought it used in 2004. Has 247 thousand miles. Always took it to the dealer for all maintenance. Still works great.
We have the same oil issue with a 14 Crosstrek. The Cross also had a AC issue under warranty that I had to battle the dealer over for months until they fixed it. No issues with a 18 Forester and Impreza - so far.
Our 2011 outback ate through brakes and lights. It also started to completely fall apart after 90k (water pump, window switches, computer, and more). We averaged $1000 a 2 times a year in repairs and maintenance after the warranty was over. It was one of the most expensive vehicles we have ever owned.
What do you have now ?
Starting to see that with my 2016 Subaru Levorg wagon. I've had engine issues, excessive carbon build-up, CVT TCM problems, excessive engine knock, and finally after fixing all those things my CVT is starting to slip and shudder under load. It seems they really start to fall apart around the 90k or / 5-6 year mark, regardless of how well they maintained. Interior also wears very badly. Would I buy another subaru? - No way, unless it was an old WRX STi or something.
My 2011 legacy with 99k miles had a torque converter failure. Was covered under warranty and had it replaced in 2018. 136k miles are on the car now at it’s been ok. I have the Same headlight issue. Burn out every year or so and are such a pain in the ass to replace. Ended up just taking it to a shop and laying 40$ instead of fiddling around for so long. Our 2015 Outback has been better but fingers crossed.
@@micego46 Why didn't you replace them with LED bulbs and never have the issue again? Seems some people just think modern conveniences should have the same reliability as a 1960's car that didn't have shit on it to break. Those year Subaru's went through bulbs because when the lights are left in auto, a surge happens upon starting the car with the headlights on and wears out the filament prematurely. A little reading and a $40 set of LEDs on Amazon fix it forever. There are no modern cars without issues due to technology and having to redesign every few years to keep selling and be competitive in the market. Buy a Jeep or Dodge product and tell me how the electrical holds up in 5 years. Replacing the bulbs is a ten minute job. Two screws and you pull the light assembly right out and replace the bulbs. Trying to do it without removing the light assembly is a PITA and the incorrect method. Don't blame Subaru because you don't know how to wrench. Everything anyone could want to know is at your fingertips with UA-cam and forum posts. Turn off the cat videos and TikTok bullshit and learn about your vehicle. Save $$$ and have the satisfaction or doing something for yourself. No offense intended in any of these comments.
@@mattgrimes4542 Wow! Seems like Stephen may have struck a nerve with you.
Our 2017 had many issues. We sold it right before it hit 100k. Bought new, at 21k miles they had to pull the engine for a cam seal leak, over the years 3 wheel bearings, 3 batteries (electrical issues), AC compressor, uses almost 2 quarts oil every 5k, a dash noise/vibration that they could never fix. I’ve had 3 foresters and this outback. We bought a RAV 4 instead. Too many issues to buy another Subaru. Liked the car, but the issues were the killer
My 2017 Impreza has quite a bit of issues. Only 35k miles 😭
@@allentoyokawa9068 not at all!!! Everything I said was true
i have the same vehicle and currently at 140k miles and havnt done anything but oil changes and still running like a champ
20 weight oil is thin oil right from the start. Thinner oil is for cold climates because its not thick heavier oil and will flow easier. In bigger engines oil heaters are used to keep the oil thin, so it can flow at starting, so you don't damage the engine. Heat thins oil and thinner oil does burn up faster so you do need to check it more regularly.
You can see the same with cooking oil...its heavy until its heated.
I had one in 2000. They had head gasket problems then. I'm glad they seem to have fixed that.
Our family has a 2011 legacy and a 2015 outback like yours. Our 2011 Legacy had trans issues at exactly 99k miles in 2018. This was covered under Subaru extended warranty for transmission. The dealer said it was a torque converter issue which we had replaced. The leagacy has 136k on it and the new torque converter and engine are still going strong for now. I wonder if the revamped models 2015+ fixed some of the issues.
It's about time,TFL speak the Truth about Subaru reliability 👍👍
No car reviews ever talk about reliability and outside of fuel consumption and price… reliability is a big subject nobody touches. Annoying, because I check owners on Reddit that have problems with their cars.
We have 2013 Outback 3.6. 65k miles. New tires, brakes, fluids. Only thing broken is rear camera. Never required any non maintenance repairs. No rust, in Minnesota.
I have a 2015 outback 70K miles & am also happy with my purchase, but I’ve had the following issues:
1.) rear right window also doesn’t work, but I have kids back there so I’m ok with it
2.) gear shifter would not unlock after 50K miles. Dealership replaced for free
3.) windshield also cracked due to a really hot day (117 degrees) in SoCal. Dealership replaced for free after a lot of complaining.
I do not have burning oil. I use Mobil 1 full synthetic & change once a year/ less than 10K miles.
My gas mileage is not nearly as high, but I do mostly street driving and now live in WA state with all hill driving. I think in SoCal I was averaging 27 MPG & now in WA my average is currently 22 MPG.
The newer f150 work truck i drive gets almost 22mpg. Kinda shocking mpg for a car. I had a 05' Lesabre that got 22mpg city/hwy mix driving
I have a 2014 legacy with 88k miles I bought 4 years ago at 60k miles and I’ve been very happy.
It’s needed a clock spring for the horn, a battery, oil changes and I did brakes today. That’s all it’s needed
I own a 2015 2.5 Outback Limited , just passing 149,000 on the odometer. My first Subaru, and very happy that she still runs and rides like brand new. These cars are built pretty solid, unlike most of the cars I have owned in the past.
I live in South Florida with the high heat and humidity which may give different results for certain things. From the beginning I have been changing the oil every 7,000 with mobile one full synthetic ow20, and adding half a quart every 4,000, between the changes. My batteries only last every three years, but the past two, I did not have to pay for because they did not last past their warrantees. Added transmission fluid, but did not flush yet. Did flush radiator. Other than that, the normal stuff, tires ,alignment, brakes, wiper replacement, serpentine belt, and one repair only ... The back passenger side was making a whining noise at about 125,000 miles. I had to replace the wheel bearing. Overall, I am very impressed with my Outback!
Just got my 18 Legacy scheduled to also replace a right passenger wheel bearing with 125k miles as well.
I know we aren’t really comparing apples to apples here, but I have a 2001 Toyota 4Runner, has just over 270K miles. It runs like a dream. Just make you do the normal maintenance. I think Toyota and Subaru are really up to date on their reliability status!
I got my CPO 2018 outback 3.6R 6 months ago. No issues but does also burn a little oil. If you follow the recommended 6,000 mile oil change schedule it will never be an issue
Im a subaru mechanik in germany. Interessting is, that you see a definitiv difference in build quality from the USA produced cars (we have a US-Army base nearby, and the soliders bring thier cars with them) and the Japanese produced cars (europe gets the Japanese build cars, VIN starting with JF1*****)
Especially the vinly on the chaper seats and armrest is a common failiure point on the US made cars... fun fact > the leather interiors on japanese cars use better leather, the US ones even have Vinyl on the side of the bolsters.)
Mechanicly the cars are about the same, Even when the cars get a lot less maintainace from the US drivers (maybe because matainace is way more expensive here, like engine oil etc.)
My 2015 Forester with manual transmission didn't have any problems until about 120,000 miles where the ambient temperature sensor failed. Front control arm bushings about 125,000 miles. Throw-out bearing started to make noise about 130,000 miles so I replaced the clutch. Then nothing until about 230,000 miles where something with the viscus coupling was making noise and was popping out of gear in first and second when allowing it to coast down hills.
My 2015 legacy 3.6r has 140k miles and the CVT is going strong.
I have a 2016 with 133k. The door switch it a program you can do at home, it happens when the battery is low or disconnected. I had an exhaust gasket and rear hatch motor replaced under warranty. My car only burned oil once driving at high speed all day. I have taken it everywhere in 120 degree heat to snow. Never let us down.
I have a 2014 2.5 premium. Oil brand makes a difference in consumption. I do my own oil changes, and I started with Quaker State full synthetic and got the low oil light after about 3k miles. Switched to Castrol for next change and did not lose a drop. Tested Wal Mart Super Tech for third and doesn’t lose a drop. Bought a 80,000, oil changes every 5,000, just turned 105,000. Try different oil brands and see what works 😉
I haven't tried the Castrol or super Tech. good idea
I replaced my window switch on a 1987 Porsche 911 after 200k+ miles. The 911 used a quart of oil every 1500 miles.
I've always personally wanted to know the hardcore truth about Subarus and literally watching this video I trust yours opinions and that's just amazing hundred thousand miles and not that many hiccups personally speaking you cannot beat that thank you Andre for another great video once again man. Thank You and have a Blessed day everyone
That window issue is a battery thing. If you google it, there are forms out there. It happened on my wife's 2017. Replaced the battery, fixed the fault, and no issues since.
We had a 2012 Outback for 8 years. Never had an issue.
We have a 2013 Outback Limited with 90,000 miles. No significant issues. Reliable, roomy, AWD, and good mpg.
Just bought a certified preowned from the dealership. A 2019 Premium 2.5. I love it so far
Subaru windshields I suspect may crack more easily than some. My 2007 Legacy is on its third windshield but this one has lasted since 2012 I think, knock on wood. Second set of head gaskets are starting to go, but I don't know if they finally started using better gaskets on the 2.5s. I know they say so, but then they said that the issue was solved back then too! Biggest issue for me for a new Subie isn't the head gaskets but rather the CVT. I don't trust 'em, and if they can only be counted on to last 100k, that's certainly no good. Glad to see yours hasn't given you problems. I'm still not a CVT fan however.
My 2013 outback was burning 1 qt of oil per 1,000 miles at 20,000 miles and 2 years of ownership. It got a new short block under warranty at 36,000 miles and seems to be okay especially since I switched to 5/30w oil.
My neighbors have been serial Subaru owners since they graduated from college in 1982.
They have driven them exclusively.
They owned a Outback that had multiple head gasket failures and traded it in on a Ascent.
That vehicle has had endless repairs from minor to significant including a CVT pump failure at 55k.
They also own a Crosstrek which while not as problematic has had some issues in less than 20,000 miles.
They say they're not buying Subarus again and when they replace their vehicles it's most likely going to be a Honda or Toyota or perhaps Mazda.
@@allentoyokawa9068 Maybe you should reread the comment.
Nowhere is Hyundai mentioned.
The automaker mentioned is H-O-N-D-A!
We’ve got a 2016 outback 2.5 l with 121k miles. ZERO oil consumption. Lost a blower motor, no other issues.
Same here. Blower motor but only have 65K miles.
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My wife and I had a 2018 forester that my daughter now drives. Unfortunately it had several major problems that I hadn’t had on a new car previously. Rear wheel bearings went bad twice. Once under warranty and failed again after warranty. We definitely had the oil burning issue, my wife called me and said the oil light came on and I freaked out. We never missed an oil change, but that issue did get a little better over time. The AC lines exploded at 75,000 a $1900 repair. Lastly, the front suspension wore out on the front end just after 100k…..It’s a safe car and will get you anywhere, but we’ve spent quite a bit of money on repairs…I actually like car, but Suburu should have fixed the wheel bearing issues a long time ago. It’s been a known problem for years..
It is extremely wise to wait for a low oil light instead to check it on the oil dipstick every sunday, extremly wise.
I'd like to hear long term 100K to 200K updates on some of the pickup trucks as reliability is one of my top concerns with anything.
My biggest "complaint" is that the windshields crack without any strike or impact. I know this because I parked my 2015 Premium in the sun for two months without driving and when I returned the windshield was cracked. I'm on my 4th windshield with all similar histories
My 2012 subaru outback 2.5i premium leaked in the trunk area lol I don't have that cat anymore
I have a 2010 with 125k still going strong, just did plugs for the second time. Maintenance and a few bits and pieces was all it needed. I wish people would get over the idea of dumping cars at 100k
I like my ‘15 Outback because it does winter missions really well. It is however the most boring muted driving experience.
i am in China. 2 months ago, i got my Outback 2.5i flagship edition to replace my 13-year 100k miles Highlander.
this is my first Subaru, hope i can drive it without big problem for 10 or more years.
Thanks for the update, these sort of real-world reports are good to have. I don't own a Subaru currently, but have owned five of them over the years and all have been good reliable cars with minimal issues. I still have a soft spot for the Outback after having three of them. Just a good all around car.
I have the '15 Crosstrek XV Ltd w/43,000 miles, that looks brand new. EXCELLENT on gas. I fill up once a month and I'm all over Long Island. LOVE my Crosstrek!