National Recap & What Must Go Better with CardCollector2 Ryan Johnson
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- Geoff talks about the 2024 National with CardCollector2 Ryan Johnson.
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PSA prices are way out of control and also hobby boxes are so far out there normal people can not even rip which is the best part of cards there is so much wrong it's hard to find the right
2023 football is one of the worst value propositions in card history, not only are they missing the top QBs but sets like spectra and immaculate have become horrendous all non specific patches even on vet cards, yet this products went up in price this year, spectra Super Bowl autos this year non existent just disappointing
Vegas makes the most sense for the expected growth. They have the space, plenty of hotels, and plenty of options for food and entertainment
@@ericsmits8220 I didn’t go because it falls on my anniversary and she was not about to “go to Cleavland”. 😂😂😂
I would go to a Vegas National 100% of the time. Entertainment is amazing.
Summer league is going on and baseball is happening.
Having it at the same Vegas location every year would be sick.
Vegas Yes or No in the comments pls…
@@fluriekfluriek2913 Vegas? No. The point of a National Show is putting it in the relative center of the country. Dealers from the Northeast or Southeast are not going to want to take 4-5 days to drive a van load of merchandise to Las Vegas. Nor are parents going to want to take their kids there, necessarily,, as it's not a kid-friendly town. Did you see how many sub-teens were at the show in Cleveland?... Vegas is a town made to suck money from people, which is kind of antithesis to a show made to extract money from attendees. Money spent off the show floor means money not getting onto the show floor.
@@poisonedpens7390then no more shows in NJ or Cleveland. Should be Chicago, Dallas or KC
The space was there; blame the NSCC. There West Hall was empty; it could have been rented. Instead the National decided the East Hall & one of the areas off to the side was sufficient. They also could have employed a larger company to run their logistics & show and 99% of these issues would have been fine including lines & internet. They decided to book the usual hall, wait 3 years and just leave it as is.
Haven’t heard this yet. Very interesting. Makes a lot of sense.
Move it to Las Vegas ASAP. More to do at night, a slew of DIRECT flights, unlimited number of easily walkable Hotels, and a world-class Convention Center. It's a no-brainer.
Time to take over a Stadium, like the Superdome or AT&T Stadium!
McCormick Convention Center in Chicago is the largest, it has 2,670,000 sq ft. Its massive.
What needs to happen is stop letting Ryan be the first one in to buy up all the dollar box cards. Let the kids and regular collectors in first. It’s a Freaking Joke!!!
He's a shyster
Cry me a river
The wait times were not ideal, but they were 1 - 1.5 hrs long. We ate pizza every day and I only waited maybe 20 minutes in line. The bathroom in the back with the neon sign had a line, but it continuously moved along. I love how some people exaggerate the negative.
Geoff thank you for everything you do. I love watching all your posts. But I have a question about the national. How do you think the national would do in Orlando. I know the convention center is massive there. Cleveland and Chicago is a tuff go for me. And I was just thinking if the national was to move around a little more it would bring more people. I was thinking to do a rotation between Orlando, Chicago and maybe Vegas. Tell me your thoughts. Or anyone tell me what you think. Thank you again for your time.
I’d love to see it in Orlando. I think it would be a great spot.
@@itsgeoffwilson It's definitely a massive convention center
Best idea I've heard so far!!
It's an interesting problem. The answer IMO isn't to have a 1 million person National w thousands upon thousands of tables. The question is how do you scale and still create efficiency within display and user experience? A 10,,000 table National only creates an experience where users cannot see the majority of tables. How do you create this experience and keep the collectors and convention attendees in mind? Perhaps segregating partially by sport of different halls, maybe it's vetting the dealers and the inventory they plan to bring to create a diverse experience where patrons will be able to visit a large volume of the tables. Maybe it's having multiple locations with a main hub and a better way to vet cards and have locations that have commonality among dealers. The one thing you hear over and over is there is so many tables and the feeling of it being overwhelming. That sounds like a wonderful problem. But it's still a problem.
The Cleveland IX center has 1 million square feet of exhibit space, the DES center in Rosemont, IL has 840,000 square feet of space; the McCormick Place center in Chicago, IL has 2.6 million square feet of space (the largest convention center in the US). Maybe Fanatics can pass around the hat to all of the major sports leagues and build one massive convention city. One other thought, there could also be better organization (i.e. all vintage in one area, dealers specializing in one sport or have multiple smaller tables in specific sports areas, pop culture in one area). If there was better organization, there would be better flow of traffic and the show promoters would know which area to give a bigger space to the following year. This would also allow for more venues with multiple rooms to be included in the shows rotation.
I’m at McCormick place this week for the biggest laboratory show in the world. It could easily handle the National.
McCormick Place hosted the '93 National, the only problem is that it's inconvenient to get to from the airport, the hotels are not connected to the venue, and most people will need to Uber to and from their hotel to get there. DES has 2.2 million square feet if you use all of the halls in the venue...which may be needed.
@@JasonSchieffer But, really easy from Midway and the Hyatt (where I just stayed) is attached. The Marriott is about a 3 minute walk next door as well.
Wifi was awful. Not having WiFi cost me a deal on a 1of1 because we couldn't get Paypal to process. Parking, while free, was a god awful nightmare as far as how traffic was being coordinated. I'm from Ohio so it was close for me, but I-X does not need to host it again. Curious to see how Fanatics Fest goes in 2 weeks and if it runs differently than the National.
The SoCo was my favorite part of the weekend with so many incredible cards and tens of thousands of dollars being exchanged. Like many soccer collectors, I thought the National really didn’t offer much outside of picking up cards from cardhobby. I respect the grandfather system but personally it def feels like there is no space for soccer as a whole.
It’s a big miss. The National organizers need to partner with SoCo for Chicago. Ignoring 100+ soccer dealers & thousands of soccer collectors is a bit mindless.
I only went Thursday and that was enough for me. Dealer prices were above eBay. Very few folks seemed to want to negotiate to at least be reasonable. Regarding the location, I liked it in Cleveland. IX Center is huge with tons of space. Venue could work on boosting the wireless signal getting in but beyond that it seemed fine.
Agreed, I had the same experience the first few days. However, it turned on Saturday, dealers were discounting below eBay, especially if you were buying multiple cards.
No one is going to negotiate on Thursday. They have all weekend to move cards
The WIFI at the Javits Center could be a challenge as well. during NYCC it can sometimes be challenging so hopefully it is improved by Fanatics Fest
Geoff, how much for your Will Grier and Desmond Ridder collections? I’m a huge fan
Come tot Orlando we have plenty if space. Its either Chicago, Orlando, or Vegas that can house you guys
Once Trump gets reelected and the economy gets better I think the National might have to cancel being in Chicago either in 2026 or 2027 & rent a stadium that has tons of space around tbe stadium also. I dont think vegas is really the answer cuz its not quite kid friendly. Putting it in a stadium would not only be cool but seems like where its actually headed. I cant imagine how big itll be when the economy gets better and more and more people get into or back into xards. Cards are booming rn and its only getting bigger!
No way! My two favorite Sports Cards guys on the same video!
Atlanta could support this show .. has the gwcc. and there is dragon con that spans multiple hotels. but hey... let's do Cleveland again
I went to my first one this year and when I pulled I saw how massive the place was and couldn’t believe that that wasn’t even enough space for the event. One thing that is over looked is everyone has backpacks and people pulling literal suitcases around(which i thought was extremely annoying). It’s almost like this kind of event for how massive it is needs to be outside because there r only so many places that can hold an event like this. Also it should 100% have longer hours it’s just not simply enough time for the demand. I don’t think this is a good idea but it almost feels like there should be time slots for the corporate booths to get your redemptions and think kind of stuff to minimize the wait times especially for PSA. Also idk if the national knows what sports booths do but it feels like there was way to much vintage like way way to much… to me so much junk cards.
How bout having the National inside a stadium.
Why not do it in las vegas they could have it at a few different hotel/conference centers
Different spots doesnt work, the top 3 biggest convention centers in the Nation are Chicago, Vegas and in my backyard Orlando
TONS of east coast dealers and they don’t want to go all the way to Vegas
Thanks to both of you for helping grow the hobby! I agree kids are the future and it helps keep the dads in the hobby as well. I appreciate the family friendly content. I would like to see fanatics get products into schools to help grow the hobby as well. Schools are always looking for prizes and stuff!
Grow the hobby? Most of Geoff’s videos are about super high end cards that 99% can’t afford. Most UA-camrs in the hobby speak to a niche group of collectors as the average collector on an average budget can’t even relate to these guys. Just watch most UA-camrs who went to the National and their videos on their big purchases last week and tell me how many people in the hobby can afford those cards?
That isn’t true. Not sure why you comment on these videos if you’re so negative about them. I watch more sports card content than most. There are also two people in this video commenting. Try to be more positive or keep your comments to yourself. There is enough negativity in this world.
They promote gambling. Keep turning a blind eye.
Nashville is were the national needs to be
Hard to get to for most of the country. Lacking in direct flights.
I personally think it would be great for no one to have access to comps and just go deal and buy and trade and actually enjoy the hobby! Not worrying about who got the “more expensive” card. It’s irritating to see so many just in it for a dollar and not really enjoying it
Dudes like this killed the hobby. Just a business for Geoff. Smdh.
Why so a dealer can charge $20 for something I can get for $5 on eBay?
I think they need to takeaway the Live Breaks away and make sure they go live only in their booths. that would make room for more dealers. Just an idea lol
I was disappointed about no soccer dealers and even really not that many new modern dealers / need more vender space. Need to add space for Star wars and Pokemon dealers
The only problem is the IX center is the 10th largest building in the world for square footage not sure what the top are but the IX center is huge
If the organizers of Chicago are smart there are plenty of other huge banquet halls in that building.
I watch all your content ,but I was listening and I'd suggest that if the National is being held why not look into holding the National in a stadium every year.
hope u had fun r u glad ot bring all the cough medicine at least u still ahve ur voice
I would also suggest the National set standards for dealers to get rid of the trinket and junk vintage dealers that garner little interest.
The Boston Convention and Exhibition Center (BCEC) is 2.1 million square feet. Pac East and a lot of cons have a lot of success there.
Orlando where the PGA show is. That’s the place to host the national
Thank you for all of the content Geoff! Couldn’t make it this year so the content was huge!
A stronger economy and continued growth in the hobby is going to have a massive impact on popularity, capacity is going to be a serious issue in the future
I had T-Mobile and my wifi was pretty successful and worked the whole time, but did wait 1hr and a half for food and an hour and a half first day in traffic
Maybe they just need to have more shows like this per year.
Might need to do 2 National Shows a yr
The National should try going to Vegas
Houston George R brown Convention Center can handle the Nationals! @ floor Convention Center
I think the Nationals might need to think about having the show at 2 buildings in one city rather than at one large venue if they want to expand. For Cleveland, they could fill up the IX Center and the Cleveland Convention Center. Instead of everyone bum rushing into the IX Center, why not split the crowd into 2 buildings. The IX Center is already in the top 10 largest exhibition venues in America. Not many other options for them to go bigger than the Chicago venue.
They absolutely love that its packed wall to wall and a zoo man. Its good pub.
I wish it was the CCC I was right there!
Chicago show should move to Mc Cormick Place
Wolrd congress center in Atlanta for the national
It’s ridiculous to sit there and say this hobby is going to just keep growing and growing and growing
We’ve passed the pandemic, but not the “card show boom” this will pass
That’s why national organizers aren’t sweating finding a bigger venue eventually we will see a decrease in attendance it’s not just going to keep growing year after year
PSA sucks.
Every Single Time
Wow. You gotta love when two Con Men get together 😂
That’s insulting to Con Men. Lol. They are more like used car salesman.
Exactly! Too many sheep out there that can't think for themselves
If its that insanely busy why are card prices down 90%???
Flawless exposing customers to alpha radiation confirmed. With their high levels of alpha radiation used for higher def scans, studies would indicate a high level of exposure to metal cases and cardboard might cause cancer, mishandling of product may be deemed irradiated. Flawless is liable, they fully endorse this practice.
Wait until Ryan, Geoff and some big investors start their own sportscard convention. The National better be paying attention. Heck the fellas should do their own anyways. It would be massively successful.
How wasn't cc2 able to get a booth to sell at ?!?
He’s too busy buying up the cheap cards for $1 then turns around and sells them to kids for $5-$20. Nobody else gets a shot because he spends 20k buying up the deals before most people can even get in.
Perhaps claiming to be a psabulk submitter when you aren't is not a redeeming quality. MARX CARDS IS HIS PARTNER. Guy is a liar and a joke.
Big idea. You should print and sponsor cool ISO (in search of) signs for people to carry next year. It would promote collaboration and interaction. "oh I saw broncos over there" and such. Could be a fun way to break peoples tunnel vision
No. Then people would just price gouge people
@@jamesnguyen7069 fair point. Cant trust anyone. Hard tp price gouge when everyone has an app on their phone.
Ryan and Geoff are everything wrong with the hobby. They promote the hobby like gambling and a short-term view. They don’t promote for people to collect and build up collections. It’s all about getting that hit in a pack (like going to Casino) and grading/selling it or flipping a card they buy.
I disagree. I think Geoff has done a great job explaining that there are many approaches to the hobby. Long term collections, flipping, etc.
Both Geoff and Ryans booths were too small and hidden by the bigger guys in the corporate area. There was no place to hang out so it forced people to keep walking. A 10x20 is too small. A for effort.
We love Geoff! We hate card collector2
GWCC in ATL?
🔥🔥
BOTH = shysters
You guys know cards aren’t an investment right? 😂
Hear me out. Sofi stadium.
Sorry, I'm going have to pass on Ryan Johnson videos.
I only wish
All these billionaire team owners cant rent out a covered stadium for a week during the off season? Besides Vegas this seems like the next no brainer.
Jerry World. Dallas Texas. 2030 🎉
After watching several videos on past and present nationals I've come to the conclusion I'm staying the hell away from the national
Vegas 2028
Vegas would be awesome!!
If the National was in Vegas nearly every logistical problem would have already been solved
The Seattle Convention Center is BY FAR big enough. You can thank me later.
Nobody is going to Seattle
@@mikecrow.1 Why not?
@@G0ATMANJAR0 too far
Don't even need to book a room; just pitch a tent!
@@barfyman-dm6zx 😆. Free bricks in the VIP bags
If you thought this was big wait until you see fetishcon
The guys running this show are too old, they arent connected with modern baseball cards and modern collectors
what did not go well: geoff wilson setting up deals before the camera rolled and reenacting negotiations. They are not live and authentic.
Why would you keep getting bigger spots? Not everybody needs to attend the shows. You can’t talk about kids being the future and then suggest Las Vegas as a location because it is horrible for children. San Diego Comic Con has a cap- not everybody gets to sell at or attend. They still do well over 100,000 in attendance. Actually San Diego wouldn’t be bad for the National. Great city for people of all ages.
Nothing but complaining. Lil annoying.
CC2 not being able to get a dealer table while a lot of old guys had 5+ tables of flea market items is a joke.
He's a JOKE.....grease for brains
Can’t stand geoff
I know New Orleans gets a bad rap, but the Morial Convention center has 1.1 MILLION sq feet of usable display space. and New Orleans has over 600 hotels and tons of stuff to do for tourist. New Orleans would be a great spot for the National and it is in the South central part of the country. I would love the National to rotate and hit different parts of the country. No reason it shouldn’t hit Vegas/LA/New York/Dallas/Chicago/Atlanta, etc.
Highest priced breaker? Oh, CC2. Yeah, its all about the vibes for the liar.
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Geoff - Can you help us get a SOCCER ONLY section in Chicago next year? It would be so cool to have an area inside the show the soccer community could gather. Help us make that be a reality in 2025. We could help promote the World cup in 2026
As a card carrying Geoff Wilson hater for the last 3 years I must say, this last week has made me flip on him and his content, completely....he's dropped his shtick camera personality and actually acted like a NORMAL dude, all the intro music is no longer hokey cringe, and the content is actually entertaining...good job Geoff, you've won me over.
"How am i supposed to buy a card when i dont have any data?" Gee i dont know Geoff, use your knowledge and expertise that you brag so much about. I mean arent you the sports card investor??
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At least listen and add some value to the chat if you’re going to rush ahead of the line. (Yawn)
Not enough space for Card Collector 2? Big miss by the National who should be accommodating top social accounts to grow the hobby - too many old guard at the National, which is why despite playing nice right now, Fanatics is coming to eat their lunch ... National is too lazy, keeping it comfortable toggling between Chicago and Cleveland when there are so many other great locations out there
Only the kids want this loser set up. Long time dealers run the show, not some punk who just started and has his mouth open in position for every top dawg he meets.
Grease for brains
i think Atlantic City is way better than the last 2 venues and its not even close,tons of places to eat/sleep & everything is walking distance..1 thing that needs to stop,and i love watching the youtube videos but now its like everyone is walking around filming content and getting in peoples way and theyre all making the same videos and thats not good.
I think AC is still a realistic option too. Plenty of places to stay nearby and eat like you said.
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