Where does "Typhoon" come from? Etymology of Typhoon | Etymology Monday
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- Where is the word TYPHOON from? Watch this exciting video and find out! ✈️ ⛈
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There is a hidden message in my reference to hedgehogs and echidnas! Can you guess what it is? 🦔😃
"All right then, keep your secrets"... is that japanese text that says "it's cool, Sonic!" ?
@@wisequigon Good guess but nope! 😃
@Cassie Carr I would rather have a hedgecat
That as a typo! But it stays haha. The hidden message does not have to do what the typo, though. Hint: it’s related to biology. 🦔
In Italian it could be a two-way word: ricci (erinaceus) and ... 3:11 (not so secret indeed, beautiful in sight). Not understanding English, this is the only image that does not make sense to me (but also the typhoon did not understand what it had to do with it, until I read who are the parents of Hydra😅)
I am Persian, and from the beginning of the video I kept asking "why is he not mentioning persian? In persian writings from thousands of years ago I have read the word "Tufân" many times." Until of course you mentioned it. 👌🏻
Absolutely! Persian is an important part of the story. I have no idea if it's the true origin. 🤷♂️
@Demy Troy What do you mean?
@Shalom Shalom Persian culture/language is thousands of years older than Quran and in many cases has influenced its neighbouring cultures, languages and religions.
@Shalom Shalom "Tūfan" is mentioned numerous times in ancient persian texts and is also the name of some legendary character from persian ancient stories (pre-achaemenid era). "Taftūn" is not exactly the right persian word for bread ( it is "Nān" which means both bread and food in various persian speaking countries and india ). Nowdays Taftun is used only to describe a specific type of bread in Iran but I am not sure about its roots.
@@kingiking110 as a Greek (Indo-European) i will support my persian friend here 😂 i am quite sure Greek Tufon and persian Tufan have a common origin..it's a word used by greeks and Persians long before any significant Semitic influences.
When you started explaining how this word came from persian, the idea was crawling in the back of my mind, that it would eventually lead back to Greek again, as Persians and Greeks did interact quite a bit, and Alexander even made his way into India.
Your look when you said "this one blew my hair back" was hilarious
Hahhaah yay! I'm glad that got a laugh
All of the "typhoon" words happen to have an /f/ sound. The f sound makes you puff air. All of them makes an aspirating sound.
Well observed!
"Ph" is not "f", in this case is "Ri",
Tyri+ one = me, turn around.
Tyr/tur = tur'n, one/une = me.
@@vojsavaibrahimi3571 old norse? Welp faliscan is f Greek got archaic sampi that looks like F uncial so?
reconstructed as /pɨuŋ/ in Middle Chinese
In Malay, we call it 'Taufan'. Seems like everyone across the globe decided to really like the sound of it in unison lol.
All phonological changes added informally it became topan the usual Sundanese meme tho f is loan iirc
"Astros! noites! tempestades!
Rolai das imensidades!
Varrei os mares, TUFÃO!"
These verses from Castro Alves came to me when I was watching the video
Excellent research on this video. As an Arab I was impressed when you brought up طاف. We use that word during Hajj when we go around the Kaaba.
@Shalom Shalom veryvold one then verily Egyptian tho what's in it?
Just a quick note: 颱 is pronounced tái not dà in Mandarin, and 大 is the one that's pronounced dà
Yeah, I think he meant to write 大 when he said that. Because 大 was read as something like tai in Middle Chinese.
@@simonlow0210 Yeah, 大 /dɑi/ with a high tone in Middle Chinese. Kind of reflects in the Southern Chinese languages:
Cantonese: daai6
Hokkien: tāi
Shanghainese: da3
Sixian Hakka: thai (this one is from Wiktionary so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)
I don't think they (大，太，太) are on the same rhyme table, ever. Neither in Cantonese nor in Wu are they pronounced the same. Actually one just has to look into广韵切韵 cuz the author had traveled around China to take into account all dialectical nuances that weren't reflected by the dialect around capital. And the 唐音 吴音 of japanese kanji also follow those rhyme books of different times, though the exact sound may not have been preserved but only the relstion.
Yup! My mistake of confusing what was on screen with what I was saying.
@@novdelta381 In Shanghainese it's actually a high pitch "du"
One of the best language channels I ever saw, you explain thoroughly, the very genesis of the thing,
Aw thanks so much! Hopefully we can get the UA-cam algorithm to share this video more widely 😃
Another great video! I really enjoy your etymology videos, keep going!
Tūfān طوفان also means "flood" in Arabic
It comes from Tāf طاف which could mean to "surface on water" or "to go around something"
Thanks! Ah that's a good note!
Luke I am Brazilian, and sound ÃO is really hard for non- Portuguese speakers to pronounce, and you pronounced it almost perfectly.
Just to add to the confusion:
According to Wiktionary, the Arabic word ṭūfān is believed to have entered the Arabic language from Sinitic/Chinese via a Syriac intermediary, which is ṭawpānā. In Syriac, the word ṭawpānā means flood/deluge, and coincidentally is similar to the Syriac root ṭ-w-p, which is related to floating (it's even been reinterpreted as having come from that root). en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%DC%9B%DC%98%DC%A6%DC%A2%DC%90#Classical_Syriac
interesting
Tufan is used occasionaly in Bengali too. Commonly it is Ghurnijhor('Spinning storm'). At first I was confused of a Greek origin because back in high school I learned that it came from Arabic in Bengali. But at the end of the video I've become even more confused. 😅
Me too! I have no idea haha.
In French it is "Typhon" (spelling unchanged since 1504) and "Ouragan" (it used to be "Furacan" and "Houraquan").
L'Académie Française is always trying to make clear the Latin or Greek origin of words (revered languages), that's why we write "Typhon" with a "y" called in French "i grec", and "ph" instead of "f".
The word we use in Italy for "hairdryer" is "phon" or "fon", coming from the warm wind phon, coming from the Sahara
Well in German it's Fön, like the Fön wind that blows over the alps (in both direction. In Bavaria it is hot in Tirol it's cold). Apparently, there is no connection btw the two words. I always found that hard to believe. 🤷🏽♀️
Um... In Russian the word for hairdryer is фен (pronounced /fen/), and it comes from German Föhn.
@@thealexdn-k9d and where does the German word come from? You should never stop at the first step when looking up etymologies
Actually Cantonese for typhoon nowadays might still be the closest thing you can get for the original ancient Chinese pronunciation. Cantonese today still rhymes with the poems from ancient China. If the word typhoon doesn't come from China, it will be also a coincident that the 'phoon' syllable sounds like 'wind' (the second character)in Chinese.
And it would be consistent with a Portuguese import from Macao
Slight correction, I guess what you mentioning here Ancient Chinese means Middle Chinese, but Middle Chinese 風 neither sounds like Mandarin nor Cantonese because the initial consonant of 風 in Middle Chinese is /p/, not /f/, at least in the early Middle Chinese. Correct me if I’m wrong
Dominican here, so happy to see you talking about the Taino people! Huracan is a weird one because their language actually belonged to the arawak family from South America, but having their own arawakan goddess of wind (Guabancex), they used the mayan equivalent (Hurakan)
Ah! Okay, I wanted to ask that. I wasn’t sure how a Mayan deity could end up in Taíno. So it was borrowed into Taíno?
@@polyMATHY_Luke so I was checking and this appear to have a crazy coincidence too (but quite a suspicious one). In taino hura=wind and can=center (Center of the Wind). In Maya hurakan means "Heart of the sky". Sadly we don't know a lot about the taino language because it's extinct and they didn't left any written records. But the borrowing hypothesis is plausible too as we have evidence of cultural exchange between Mesoamerica and the Caribbean Islands. Given that the mayans named their god Hurakan, it's probably the original source. But again... Who knows, maybe words used to designate big storms are destined to be mysterious haha
On the topic of Huracan in albanian we say Uragan for tornado. We use typhoon and cyclone for hurricanes.
this explanation from someone on the internet in some comment thread: “It was only some two centuries later when this word was applied a world away in the Pacific, possibly also because of the Portuguese. I don't think there's a good word for a borrowed word that is revived because it sounds like a completely different borrowed word in a completely different context -- perhaps synglottism would do.”
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It just so happens that Tycoon does come directly (I think) from japanese 大君 and the fact that typhoon is completely unrelated (despite the similarities) is very funny.
Slight correction: 颱風 in Mandarin (Standard Chinese) is pronounced ㄊㄞˊㄈㄥ or "tái fong" in hanyu pinyin. Dà fong, as you pronounced it, would translate literally to "big wind," which just means strong wind in general.
I think that pronounces táifēng.
@@princechen8668 Oh, sorry. Spelled it the Taiwanese way lol. 風 is pronounced differently in PRC and Taiwanese Mandarin, and we don't really use pinyin here.
1.Typhon = Turi+ on, ("ph" = ri, not "f")
Turri- torr < > rrot - rrotull = round, disc, turn round, rotation.
2. TYRHON = I turn round.
3.Tyr = pile.
4. Turrem = to rush, to set upon.
5. Turr /shtjell = develop.
Tyr/tur = tur'n around.
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As a Chinese person who studies ancient Chinese phonology, I remember getting told in English class that the word "typhoon" comes from Chinese “大風” (Mandarin: /ta fɤŋ/, Middle Chinese: /dɑj˨˨˥ p͡ɸuŋ˦˨/ or /dɑɹ˨˩ puɴ˥/depending on the time period, Old Chinese: /das̠ prǝm/, the /s̠/ is something in between [ʃ] and [s]) so I've always thought that way. This video was very interesting and surprising to me seeing the striking similarities between the false cognates (I am pretty sure it's false cognates since Old Chinese was very isolated from the rest of the world's languages and Middle Chinese mainly borrowed words from Sanskrit). Thank you for the video!
It’s a big mystery! I’m still not sure how this word came to be and where it came from.
I love this! I have actually looked up this particular word's origins before and it is one of my favorite example of convergent etymology. I know it is unlikely you will read this, and less likely that you take requests, but if you do, I would recommend a dive into the origin of "genie".
I am Brasilian 🇧🇷 and I like learning about words origin. I like very much your channel. Thanks for sharing knowledge.😀
Obrigado a você! 😃
@@polyMATHY_Luke não há de quê!
In German the word is 'Taifun' which clearly doesn't look like a genuine 'germanic' word.
Indeed! It looks like Sinitic.
@@polyMATHY_Luke yes, looks so, and this made me think your presented theory that 'typhoon', like it is written in english, is 'greekified' might be valid.
Very similar in Polish - Tajfun
@@thorblau7943 I think that is the most probable explanation. The word came from China, but then it was 'greekified'. I think the Greek origin is more questionable: the monster Typhon is also known as Typhoeus (we lose the final n), and its relation with the air is much less relevant than its relation with the earth (it was a son of Gaia, the Earth, and Tartarus, one of the Greek underworlds). This Typhoeus represents volcanoes more than storms: he was imprisoned under the Mount Etna after its defeat by Zeus, and that's why this mount is a volcano (earthquakes and eruptions being Typhoeus trying to get out) according to the myth. Ischia is also a volcanic island.
The fact that the Greeks kept sending their gods to Italy might explain why the Romans "borrowed" so much from them. Seriously though, good vid, I find etymology fascinating. You got a new sub.
some sources say Portuguese "tufão" and Spanish "tifón" come directly from arabic "ṭūfān". That would make sense, as many words in Portuguese derive from Arabic and the period the Iberian peninsula was under Arabic domain was long before the Portuguese went to India.
3:56 😂😂😂 OMG I can't believe you know that movie, it's so well known here in Greece, because it actually is a great reflection of Greek families. There's almost always someone who says everything comes from Greek! And to be fair, most Greek words do come from none other than Greek!
What's the name of the movie? I'm interested.
“My Big Fat Greek Wedding”
I'm glad you liked it! I've had many arguments with this type of Greek man haha.
@@polyMATHY_Luke Thank you :D And thank you very much for your videos.
Believe it or not this happens with many people from the balkans too... believing that everything comes from their people
I have heard rediculous things like "ancient Egyptians and Greeks were Albanians" or "slavic languages originate from ancient "Macedonian" thats why in north Macedonia they speak slavic"
But i am sure its some of the greek DNA that they have that make them claim everything as theirs😂
Bruh, I literally live in the typhoon belt. You just get used to around 20-22 typhoons a year.
In Cymraeg we use corwynt and rhuthrwynt for tornado and typhoon respectively; the first meaning 'horn wind', the latter meaning, 'rushing wind'
this is one of those things that bug me since ages. the world of etymology is full of such weird coincidences. there's something wrong there, I guess we're missing something.
Sure! But the metaphor of the hedgehog and the echidna in the video was to demonstrate convergent evolution. Those two animals aren't at all related, and yet are very similar.
I’m doing a presentation on Typhoons for school and I was struggling with pronunciation. Thank you for such an informative video. It helped me a lot.
I’m glad
I once heard, maybe from an earlier video on this channel, that one of the greek storm gods made its way to India via the greco/bactrian era and from there its image of a man blowing air into a cape eventually made its way into Japan and became the god Fujin.
It could all be related?
It's more likely a coincidentally convergent evolution, like the echidna and the hedgehog.
@@polyMATHY_Luke Eventually there's going to be at least one coincidence, after all! It's just a roll of the dice
@@polyMATHY_Luke what makes you believe that it is more likely to be coincidence rather than Typhon the god traveling east? Is it because of the overall lack of sound changes that would have occurred in the following 2500 years in Iranian, Hindi, South Asian etc?
Much respect for pronouncing Taino properly! I explore/study caves here in Jamaica, and we often find their pottery/bones/petroglyphs/pictograms in the course of it. Co-author on a few papers as a result.
Excellent! I love the "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" reference.
Haha thanks!
Well in modern Greek, we either say τυφώνας, κυκλώνας, or ανεμοστρόβιλος. The first two come from the ancient words τυφών and κυκλών, meaning typhoon and cyclone respectively (κυκλών/cyclone literally means "the one who makes a cycle, although for typhoon it is etymologically uncertain further back). As for ανεμοστρόβιλος (anemostrobilos) that's mostly a modern compound word, that could however theoretically have been said even in ancient times, it just hasn't been attested as far as I know. It comes from two words, άνεμος (anemos) meaning "wind" and στρόβιλος (strobilos) meaning "turner". Both of these words existed in ancient Greek too as far as I know, so the compound would have made sense even by then.
I like how you pronounce τυφών. That ph distinctively pronounce from f, keeping its bilabial feature. Well done!
Right! Which is what I do in the Lucian Pronunciation of Ancient Greek: lukeranieri.com/lucianpronunciation/
@@polyMATHY_Luke It is accurately the pronunciation of pey and phey in Hebrew, wich actually is the same consonant פ. That's why it is latinized as P and Ph.
@@marcelomeireles2114 Actually there is no evidence that bilabial f was the sound of phey in Hebrew at any point, it is possible but all the languages in the region modern or ancient have labiodental pronounciation as well as most Afro-asiatic languages which Hebrew belongs to. It is still possible that Begadkefat P and B where bilabial I am just pointing out that you're claiming something as if it's proven.
Optime, Lūce!
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I always thought the word "typhoon" (like "taipan", "kowtow", "kungfu") came from Chinese, until I watched this episode. The expression "颱風" (also true for the Chinese word "颱") does not seem to be more than half a millennium old. The oldest occurence I can find in the Chinese literature is 福建通志，first compiled in late Ming dynasty to early Qing dynasty. It can be found in the chapter on Taiwan. It may have something to do with Taiwan, as it was described as the kind of wind that could be found in Taiwan in the fifth to seventh months of the Chinese calendar. Thanks for raising this question, which could turn out to be a revealing topic in world civilization and global communication.
The only hidden reference that now yells in my head is... "toffee" 😄This was sweet 😊 Really great, thank you! 🌪🌟
I'm glad you liked it! 😃🦔
haha misheard lyric coffe soda toffee
Two airplane references but you missed the great Me 108 "Taifun"! Was way ahead of its time and Kermit Weeks is currently restoring one on UA-cam. Great to watch.
which one is later in war with arado bomber?
Ah dang! I'll catch it next time 🛫
The Brits had both 'Hurricane', and 'Typhoon' fighters. Never heard of that German Mesherschmidt variant called "Taifun".
The quality of your videos and participations in other channels are something to admire! You are incredible. Thanks for the content!
Thanks so much for saying so!
It's actually a originally from English - Thai food
Hahahaha WTF
I’m super stoked to have come upon this video. I now want to know more about this character. Because Typhon in its battle against Jupiter bore a child, Venus. According to Velikovsky, witnessed by man. Thank you for the additional info I was ignorant of. The battle in the sky was real. Now I’m super curious of why Italy? If the battle happened near Jupiter, did earth receive a piece of the planetary debris or remnant of Typhon?
Randall Carlson did a show on the Taro card symbology of the four beasts. They, like the rendering of Typhon, show themselves by their wings to be flying through space. Very interesting. I’m guessing that it was a trinity system with two bodies in orbit around Typhon and possibly one of the systems’ moons that was able to escape the battle and land on earth after passing Jupiter’s guard. I’ll also have to study the area in question for impact proxy.
So I just want to point out that the during the time of Alexander the great, Greeks did spread out throughout all of Asia.
There was a religion that mixed the ancient Greek religion with Hinduism aka Greco-Hinduism.
So it is very possible that the Greeks brought it with them as they traveled and settled throughout Asia centuries ago.
The problem with that hypothesis is that the greek myth of Typhon is much older than Alexander.
I'm so, soooooo happy you did typhoon! It's one of my favorites of all time, and of course your eloquent comments and captivating references make it all the better. I can't wait for next Monday
Thanks so much! I appreciate it 😃
@@polyMATHY_Luke Libenter
Taifun is a loan word from Mandarin. While Cyclone, Storms, come from Latin or European words. Both refer to a high wind as experienced yearly in China, Taiwan and surrounding seas. Italians and Europeans never experienced those kind of storm unless when they go sailing.
This was a suprisingly entertaining video :)
In Russian we just use "тайфун" borrowed from English.
I’m glad you like it!
Hey Luke, the statue @3:08 do you know where that picture was taken?
Yup! It's from Italy en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echidna_(mythology)
@@polyMATHY_Luke Gratia tibi ago 👍
Typhoon in the ancient historical documents of China has multiple different names in different historical documents. They all describe the characteristics of the typhoon: huge wind power(大风) and come from all direction and very scary(飓风). Regarding the word '颱风', I could not find how it got its name but one not so trustworthy theory states that 颱风 cross Taiwan(台湾) most of the time while other theory states that in both Cantonese and Min, '大' which means big and ‘台' have almost identical pronunciation, which makes more sense to me. I believe that Indian, Greek, and Chinese have a very similar pronunciation of this specific natural phenomenon is a coincidence so far but if one day the deepest connection between different languages in the world can be studied, I would be very happy to learn.
Hey I'm a special effects person, your jump cut memes would work better if you gave them just a lil touch of transparency sometimes. Like at 5:55, if you made put that clip on a second track over top of you in a freeze frame from where you already were talking, and have that second track on say... 85% transparency, it will look better and feel much more professional while still getting to be a fun meme.
That's just like, my opinion, nya, i am just an AudiHD bingle, but hope it helps, mrauuuuu.
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Τυφών. Ancient Greek word. He was a "giant", in Greek γίγαντας. Like a god. The "giants"(which also a word with Greek origins)/ γίγαντες lost from the gods of Olympus at the battle of "leadership". Nowadays, Greeks are using the same word but the last syllabus is also -ας(τυφώνας)...
...or how a story of storms can get conjured or whirled out through time and countries simultaneously...
as in co-inciding, as in the kinds of Sonic and Knuckles 😁
Je le dis encore, un "tuffo" nel tuo canale sull'etimologia, je kiffe !
Hey I know i'm crazy late! But in regards to the word "Hurricane", I'm currently living in Oregon. Oregon's etymology is actually unclear, but the leading theory is it comes from the French "Ouragan", meaning Hurricane! Why would a place so far North where Hurricanes don't occur be named Hurricane? Because it was named that when French fur trappers entered the region and began conversing with the locals, hearing their stories and legends about powerful spirits of the wind and the Pacific Northwests famous "Chinook Winds" (...whiiiich also inspired the name of a military aircraft, the Chinook helicopter!) So they started to call the area "Ouragan", and over time this became corrupted to "Oregon"
Just for a reference... in Korean it's 태풍(Tae-Pung), and it could be written in Chinese characters the same way the Chinese and Japanese would write as well.
Thai uses กาฬวาต ( Kāḷwāt ), which is defined as ลมพายุใหญ่ ( lom phāyu yai ), a big wind-storm. This translates to तूफान (tufān) in Hindi, ខ្យល់ព្យុះ ( khyal pyuh ), windstorm, in Khmer.
Hey Luke, this question isn't relevant to this video (apologies) but I thought there was a higher chance you might see it here. I saw your video on the Calabrese system as well as the video on Romans writing with macrons. A few questions:
1. I'm still not entirely sure I understand the rhythmic aspect of Classical Latin. I am familiar enough with Japanese that the whole rhythmic concept makes sense to me, but I'm wondering whether you're saying they are pretty much identical in their treatment of syllabic length / stress or whether they're just similar. eg my understanding is that Japanese has pitch accent as a phonemic quality, but I'm guessing based on your readings that Classical Latin does not have that. Does Classical Latin have any other sort of syllable accent, though? It's a bit hard for me as a native English speaker and B1+ Russian speaker to think of stress as anything other than making a syllable really long and loud and fucking up the vowels in every other syllable, but I guess C.Latin could have had some sort of volume emphasis on a syllable separate from vowel length. I've just seen a number of textbooks that tell you how to determine the stress in a word, but I wonder whether that, too, is just an anglo construction, or whether that is still valid. (If so, how is it executed?)
2. Where is it possible to find texts with macrons applied? A quick google search told me that no one publishes books with macrons because A) the Romans didn't use them anyway (which I know is false haha), and B) it'd be stupid for anyone to do so, because our knowledge of where the macrons should be placed is incomplete/imperfect and therefore no one is going to try publishing a potentially incorrect macronization. Are there extensive online resources, though? Any print publishers?
3. I'm trying to learn from D'ooge's Elements of Latin which I bought in 9th grade something like 12 years ago. Just started again very recently after reading some Seneca and remembering how based the Romans were. Is this an ok source for the basics? I majored in math, love grammar (did I mention Russian?), and I don't mind dry shit, so I haven't been quite as fond of a couple others I've looked at so far, eg Oxford Course, Lingua Latina. Also how the fuck do I stay motivated when my dog has utter disdain for all romance languages and my quasi-gf calls me a pseud for reading anything older than my parents?
Thanks a bunch. Feel free to link me to vids or tell me to rewatch the ones I mentioned if you think answers are there.
Hey there! I’m responding quickly since I have to run, but simply, yes! Japanese is an exactly model for Ancient Greek in particular because they both have pitch accent and phonemic vowel length, and also for Latin but Latin has stress accent.
These many videos teach you how to do it!
ua-cam.com/play/PLQQL5IeNgck0-tQ4AZgKFMlQCJud_VY_H.html
Reply again if you have more questions since this is quite terse of me. Ttyl!
Amazing. Reminds me of the word "name" which appears to have global cognates too: なまえ, nama, nombre, etc.
In the Philippines, typhoons are called various forms of "bagyo", which apparently was direct from the proto-Austronesian word "baryus" for typhoon. It directly means typhoon, the first dictionaries for Tagalog noted that normal thunderstorms, called "unos" were differentiated from storms that changed wind direction midstorm "bagyo", just as one expect cyclones to do.
But, funnily enough, the Sanskrit word for big wind or the God of wind is "vayu", so before the reconstruction of proto-Austronesian, people thought "bagyo" was loaned from Sanskrit.
Under Aetna, Engelados was buried by Athena.
He is still moving occasionally!
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There is word "burä"(буря) in Russian (and most other slavic languages). But also there are exact same 3 words: tayfun (тайфун), uragan (ураган), shtorm (шторм). But they have slightly different applications and not as interchangeable as in English. And obviously all of them was borrowed from European languages.
3:00 - "...somewhere in Italy, that's where the Greeks send things they don't care about anymore" - ouch, I felt that in my Roman genes.
Who was the Roman genes?
Theres a saying in Greek "Οι μαλακιες επιστρέφονται", "Crap comes back" so we paid the price.
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Υπέροχο βίντεο φίλε Λουκά! Thank you for shedding some light on the history of this word!
Nice Yuta clip. I follow him too.
Sugoi! Yeah he’s cool
Pretty cool topic
I think another para entomology example is the world septic
The Oregon coast is always very very windy. It is believed that the early French explorers called it ‘Ouragan’ (hurricane) because of the wind. Oregon doesn’t really have hurricanes but the name Oregon mat derive from the French word.
My dog’s name is Tajfun (Typhoon).
In Korean the word is 태풍 (tae-pung), which is the reading of the same Chinese characters as táifēng (also as far as I am aware, Mandarin has two words for typhoon: dàfēng and táifēng)
This etym whirls like a Typhoon!
Sailors sail. They talk to each other about weather. Big winds matter. Life and death sort of thing. They get go to a port Big winds are due. Maybe they do a few whirly hand gestures. Make a few stormy noises. Pick a word that sound similar to both parties and agree the big winds are called the mutual sound. And around the world they go mixing, matching, talking until they have have a set of common sounds. Then along comes a weather man needing a word for a big circular wind to.impress views with. And someone has heard the word typhoon. And bingo. Typhoon is claimed by all.
Very fascinating!
How about brinjal/mēlongēna/aubergine, if you haven't done that already? Don't forget the brown jolly and the mad apple.
Before watching the video: Easy, it’s from Japanese and means ‘big wind’ 😌
While watching the video: Wait, 台風 doesn’t mean ‘ _big_ wind’, but 大風 does 🤔
After watching the video: This is so much more complicated than I originally thought and sent me down a rabbit hole 😅
Tycoon, which is perhaps spelled to resemble typhoon, originates from the Japanese 大君
The Korean word for Typhoon is the same hanja as chinese and japanese, 태풍 taepung (where t and p are both aspirated and the ae is pronounced basically as e, but historically was once pronounced like "ai" -- the same sound shift Latin had)
Maybe is from Guarani: “Yvytu”🤣🤣say the guy half Paraguayan/Italian/Swiss/Spaniar)
this is just amazing! thank you for the spectacular video!
Thank you!! I appreciate it!
Tiphon "violent storm, whirlwind, tornado," 1550s, from Greek typhon "whirlwind," personified as a giant, father of the winds, spelled Τυφών.
As I show in the video, this word is truly mysterious because that explanation, while perfectly valid, exists next to other perfectly valid explanations, such as the ultimate Sinitic origin of the word. It’s quite mysterious. Until we attain new pieces of information, both are entirely valid.
Hi Luke! I really liked this video on the origins of the word Typhoon! We get these all the time in our country. I would like to get your opinion on something...what do you think is the Origin of the word "Indian"...as in "American Indian". The common story behind this is because Columbus thought that the New World was India (he did) and continued to call the natives as such. But some say it came from the word "Endeo" which came from a weird phrase, supposedly "Los Hijos de la En Deo". Which is said to mean "The Children of God". First thing i noticed is....wait, that's not spanish? Well maybe it's medieval or renaissance Spanish or renaissance Latin, so i looked it up (in Wikipedia, im a noob of course) and it said that at one point, the latin In became En in some variants....so maybe they the phrase was some amalgam of Spanish and Latin? I got the idea from this article: iloveancestry.com/topics/ancestry/historical-events/15th-18thcentury/origin-of-word-indian-pertaining-to-american-indians/
Not sure if it is true or credible. Would just want your opinion on this.
Here in Austria we don´t have Storms like a Hurricane or a Typhoon. In German it would be "Wirbelsturm" or "Wirbelwind" but that is hardly ever used, normally we use the English names.
I once saw a tiny Whirlwind while Walking around in the fields and I told my father and he said "Windhex" Windwitch to it.
Cool!
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horace odes in old english like word also uses whirl and other verb with wind 3rd poem'mæ dīmidium animæ'
I think its translated by a diff guy idk did he direct translate it the usual translation is safeguard virgil half of my soul, hale, attica, Æolus
Windhoos is a word for whirl wind in Dutch. I like it.
What about the rest of English by the nature method chapters ? Won't you soon work on them again ? We are looking forward to hearing from you teacher Luke.
Very interesting! This seems to be a great historical example of a word that has undergone "phono-semantic matching" (a term coined by Ghil'ad Zuckermann). That is to say, when the word was encountered in a foreign language, it was 'matched' to a (phonetically and semantically) similar word in the native (or otherwise familiar) language.
You can read more about this phenomenon on its Wikipedia page, which lists many examples. Might also be interesting for a video :)
Great topic!
To add this is the peak greatness of PSM Meiji before the WWII boongalow happened that tabaco is smooth
You should do a video on the origin of 'eeny, meeny, miny, moe', which may have an origin as distant as the days of the pre-Celtic megalith culture.
Nice idea!
And, just to be a tease, the "akata makata sukutu be aber faber domine" or "a beba blom tu kithe blom" which are the two Greek equivalents of "eeny meeny" :D
I enjoy all your work.
Thanks!!
Hey Luke, love the videos. I'm Italian and I noticed something weird about the word 'Germany'. in Italian, 'germany' is said 'germania' but 'german' is 'tedesco'. I noticed how other romance languages, when referring to Germany, call it with words starting with 'ale-'. For example in Spanish it is 'alemania'. Is there a reason for this? Maybe you could do a short video explaining this for me. Also I'm studying Latin at university in Australia.
What a great idea! Yes, the reason is that different German tribes came into contact with different people st different times. Also, in English we call Dutch people thusly, yet we do that because all the Germanic peoples were calling themselves “dutch/deutsch” at that time generally. It’s a great topic! I’ll do a video.
My head's spinning now!
In ancient Aramaic Tufana is a storm/flood and that’s the same with the Persian Tufan that you mention here.
颱風 is pronounced as Taifong in Mandarin, with the t aspirated like English. In Taigi (Taiwanese Holo), it is hong-thai 風颱. With the character order flipped. There was no f sound in Middle Chinese, and Holo originally came from a region that would experience typhoon much more frequently. So, perhaps the original Sinitic form was hong-thai instrad.
I'm leaning towards PIE, lol. But had previously been sure that it was of ultimately Sinitic origin, given the apparently straight forward almost one-to-one phonetic equivalence, and of course the meaning (great wind) specifically to describe the tropical storms. I had thought the Portuguese got the word from Macao, not India. But now knowing the history of contact, it would seem Persian is a good bet. But then again Persian and Chinese had a lot of contact back in the day and there's loanwords in both languages from either.
Typhoon could be of Proto-Indo European origin. It's the same with Latin 'Veritas' or Truth. In Sanskrit, it's corresponding word is 'vārttā'( वार्त्ता) which means a report or account of something. In Bahasa Indonesia, it is 'berita' or 'warta' and in Filipino, it is 'balita' since these languages also borrowed heavily from Sanskrit.
Very interesting! So Hurricane comes from Spanish and occur roughly in the half of the world the Pope gave to Spain (no Tratado de Tordesilhas), while typhoon comes from Portuguese and occur roughly in the half of the world given to Portugal, although here in Brazil we have furacões lol
Nice explanation, it was not too long winded...haha
Haha 🌬
Hong-thai 風颱 [hoŋ˧tʰaj˥] in taiwanese, the order is very interesting here, sinitic languages are usually adjective+noun, but its noun+adjective here, theories suggest austroasiatic influence or that sinitic language actually allows noun+adjective natively, taiwanese(modern, the mother language would be proto-min) now is adjective+noun, btw 大風 would be tāi-hong [taj˨˩hoŋ˥]
Cool!
Hurricanes in the eastern Pacific are also called hurricanes rather than typhoons. They typically hit the western coast of Mexico.
Hurricane = Turricane = t'hurr = turr = pile, to rush, downfall, like in Albanian lang. Is too ancient word, before Greek- Roman era.
What if, in a very weird and peculiar way, people all around Eurasia were interpreting the sound of wind as the word "typhoon" like in an onomatopoeitic way! In some way the "-phoon" part sounds a little like the blowing wind!
“Typhoon” or in Han characters (漢字) “颱風” in East Asian languages:
Mandarin 🇨🇳: táifēng
Cantonese 🇭🇰🇲🇴: toi4 fung1
Vietnamese 🇻🇳: Đài phong
Japanese 🇯🇵: taifū
Korean 🇰🇵🇰🇷: 태풍 (taepung)
Ahh, long live the East Asian Cultural Sphere!
(東亞文化圈萬歲!)
Vietnamese 🇻🇳: Đông Á Văn hoá quyển Vạn tuế!
Mandarin 🇨🇳: dōng-yà wén-huà quān wàn-suì!
Cantonese 🇭🇰🇲🇴: dung1 aa3 man4 faa3 hyun1 maan6 seoi3!
Japanese 🇯🇵: Tō-a Bunkaken Banzai!
Korean 🇰🇵🇰🇷: Dong-a Mun-hwa-gwon Man-se!