I'm from India, and my family is vegetarian since I can't even recall, and my grandfather, who is 73 and still kicking, didn't know where he was getting his choline from, what role fiber play or what is even a protein let alone its enormous importance, but upon my asking 'Why can't I eat chicken?', he said, 'Because they have life too, they don't just voluntarily throw themselves on the butcher's knife. They have passion for life as you I and have.' and his rural simplicity and intellectual poverty has a profundity that science could never probe into or send a mission to, because it was rooted in love, not stemming out from his egoistical desires to defend his diet or satiate his taste buds. To sum this all up pithily, icicles don't stab Ocean. If anything, they contribute to its momentum without disturbing its depth.
What a beautiful comment! I'm Asian too and my family ate mostly brown rice, buckwheat, legumes and potatoes and my grandma is still alive and kicking at 94. She ate mostly rice and lentils since she was weaned.
In fact, that's all I'm gonna say from now on when people ask me why I'm vegan. That's really the only reason that I stopped using animal products. The side effects are a bonus. I'm sick of explaining all the reasons. They are all valid, but meaningless compared to the pure and simple truth... They want to live.
Properly grown plants contain B12 inside leaves and roots cells as well. In a vegan utopia of vertical farming we could easily have leafy greens that provide our needs. www.kent.ac.uk/news/science/17966/university-scientists-make-vitamin-b12-breakthrough
@@TheMrgrafixable I slightly and respectfully disagree my friend, I think b12 is a non issue now, in the case of vegans we're probably more likely to have too much b12 with all the hype around it the passed few years
@@TheMrgrafixable um, everyone should be concerned about B12. Most B12 deficient people are meat eaters and beef gets fortified with B12 because their flesh doesn't contain enough naturally. Taking an inexpensive supplement once a week is a superior source of B12 anyway.
I got the BBC one recommended to me through Google and me and my brother had a good laugh about it. I'm studying nutrition and it's getting silly how they're trying really hard to make veganism seem dangerous.
joeyofrivia same. After I read it just for craps and giggles I googled “plant sources of choline”, and oh big surprise, veggies, legumes, tofu, and whole grains are all good sources of choline. 🤦♀️
@@leangroundbeef2322 if you mean me then yes, I am vegan. Been vegan for almost five years now but when it comes to nutrition and health I try to be unbiased and still learn and study about meat because I want to know everything :)
@@josefinarivia nice. i have a few friends who are dieticians and they aren't vegan and I'm always curious to see as to which diet nutritionists and dieticians adhere to.
I was suspicious of this because she is worried about adequate choline intake in countries that consume more meat than most others the world over and more than in previous generations.
I'm from the States and I found it almost unbelievable. I was screaming at the screen, "How many eggs do we eat?! You can't #^@%ing _get away_ from choline in this culture!" How anyone in that auditorium kept a straight face, I don't know.
I can only hope they are getting substantial professional excoriation for this, hence the multiple updates to the article. Within the last two days they have published more errata, though, so maybe they need another hard lesson.
Hey guys! Sorry for the slight delay but visiting in the UK I realized how much of an issue this is so I wanted to make sure I had some good research for you. Too bad they are all sleeping right now. Can you believe that progression of conflicts of interest? What was going on behind the scenes at the BMJ?
Thanks for the video. I had watched the one by the vegan footsoldier too before yours but was pleased to watch yours and you both pretty much come to the same conclusions. I cannot understand how ONE unresearched paper published in the BMJ got so much cover in the UK.
protein, calcium, iron, B12, zinc, cholesterol, fats, and now choline?!?! Whatever shall I do? My plant based diet that reversed my autoimmune disease is becoming more deficient by the day! 😂 In all seriousness, great vid Mic! 🙏🏼👍🏼
I read an article saying that water might not be the best way to get fully hydrated and i thought to myself it would be funny if they said milk was better, and it was really what they said hfndjkjdclksdsds I'm not even shocked at that point now
Plant based diets are usually fabricated by vegans. Vegan, and carnivores diets = Unhealthy, harmful. Proper vegetarian, and omnivores diets = healthy, not harmful. There were tons of studies that were disproven through the recent years. People disproven a common popular study because they took out processed foods when it came to the vegan diet. But the meat diet wasnt measured or fixed properly. ((There are different kinds of meats, and preparations, and they didnt take that into account. Not to mention not all meats are processed meats.)) If you look at all the lies vegans will tell you theres scientists that disprove all "facts" of vegans. Organ meats are known to actually help your health than to actually harm it. Another issue with meat is when its cooked a certain way it can actually create a harmful substance to humans. It isnt the meat that's harmful... it's literally the way its cooked. That's like if vegans cooked their meal covered in protein oils. That's straight up unhealthy. That's why cooking it, choosing the meats, and studying it properly is important. www.google.com/search?q=lies+vegans&oq=&aqs=chrome.1.35i39l5.-1j0j7&client=ms-android-bell-ca&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8 ua-cam.com/video/PFnkWjmvMOA/v-deo.html
Lately I've been seeing a lot of articles on this in my suggestive Google news feed. The first one I read the headline to I was like, "Damn it!" 🤦 Always at it again with total BS! I'm glad you made this video, but it must get annoying having to debunk things like this.
Jessica N. Google has a new alliance (paid) with big pharma and the strategy is to bury anti-pharma information or lifestyle health promoting pages and push industry beneficial websites and news. Not a coincidence we all get more and more of theses crap biased news in our feeds
Quinoa (1 cup cooked, 185g) = 43mg Broccoli (1 cup cooked, 150g) = 60mg Pinto Beans (1 cup cooked, 180g) = 63mg Total choline content of the meal: 166mg
ִ do you think is it important to eat organic soybean? I am new in whole food plant base diet and realy I can’t eat this size of meal as @tombyrezio wrote. It is to big portion for me and I am having problem to balance everything. Or do you thing suplement of choline is fine? Thank you
I’m not a troll Love y’all Or supplement with some organic pastured eggs you buy to a local farmer. I wish I had done that sooner. Well I wish I hadn’t gone vegan but to each their own.
@@MaisieTheBlindHen2 They're not tortured at all actually, I see them every time I buy the eggs. They have a better life than the animals that die from pesticides in soy crops or those that get desiccated by the tillage or harvest.
I ate a lot of stake and eggs many years ago. I still had a little son with a neural tube defect which was incompatible with life. This and other sad experiences drove me to look into a plant based diet. I have freed myself from debilitating arthritis and constipation just to mention a few health benefits. Long live plants! 🥕🥔🍆🥑🥒🌽🍠🍓🍊
That sounds horrible, i feel so bad for you and your son :(. Maybe that was caused by folate deficency, there is a lot of folate in whole plant food but only a little in animal products and junk food. 58% of omnivores are folate deficient. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/26502280/
Meat industry overlord: The vegans are getting smarter the b12 fear mongering doesn't work anymore...what shall I do Meat industry overlords Igor assistant: sire I've went through the list and I believe choline is our next best shot Meat industry overlord: choline huh....yes..hahaha.. YES....YEEEEEESSSSS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! AND Scene
@@goku445 I agree I don't want nerve damage. It is important for me to have b12 sources in my life. So I don't mind taking b12 or consuming fortified products. The fear mongering helps.
Your statement about the IQ of vegetarians begs the question does a vegetarian diet cause a higher IQ or do people with a higher IQ choose a vegetarian diet? Sounds like a win-win to me.
Sky news have reported that vegans and vegetarians are at higher risk of stroke this morning. Heck the industries are getting scared. I feel like you're going to be busy from here on in, Mic. Thankyou for keeping the facts and truth out here in laymans terms for us, to defend ourselves from the carnist attacks.
Wolf Spear I saw that this morning.. the article I read actually grouped both vegetarians and vegans together in the same group and actually didn’t find the cause for their statement. They just made an assumption that is was based off a lack of nutrients.
Thank you , Thank you , Thank you 🙏 Since this hit the headlines I have been hounded and I will be honest had me concerned for the younger vegans out there. This has put my mind at rest and will be sharing this video now 🥰 Keep up the awesome work!
People like Vivekananda and Da Vinci who abjured meat or never even tasted it, had eidetic memory. Most of us sadly are eavesdropping while living in a celestial mansion of Nature. Thank you for treating animal with love and compassion.
I Wonder if this had anything to do with Brexit? Showing the Britisch Public that fruit and vegetables are highly overrated and that Britain can get by without European Imports. Just a thought
Is that the 20% higher risk of stroke one? I heard it on the BBC radio news bulletin first thing this morning, triggered me before I was even fully awake!
I googled which plant foods have choline. I come across a list of things I litteraly eat every single day. Some things multiple times a day. Decided I didn't need to worry about it. 😐
It's honestly not worth our time, but worse, there is much hate in the comments and inferred in many videos attacking vegans, attacking anything. It's toxic and brings people's mindset down. I feel it should be avoided. Conflict can happen but there's too much and I feel it should be avoided to stay positive.
@@RiDankulous It's really insane, even being respectful, most intelligent people when it's about veganism start behaving very immature, it's so sad to watch someone who you admire being so dumb .
I see it too, Vyn. I myself have strong beliefs about some things, too, and have to be careful to be considerate and mindful when I speak on certain topics, or avoid the topics altogether. :) Best wishes.
And just as that made the rounds, I woke up today to the BMJ having published an article about vegetarians and vegans having a higher risk of suffering a stroke; I apparently didn't get the memo where the BMJ said it was up for sale.
THANK YOU!!! 😭❤ seriously, I've been longing for this....I got into an argument with my mum last week because of this. She had been watching a Show from a Doctor via Facebook Live Videos (who is obviously just an entertainer in my eyes 😅😔) ...she insisted that this news he was talking about was true and I might get sick if I stick with a vegan diet and told me to eat meat and dairy from time to time, since we "need this" ...😔 somehow this was heart breaking for me
Stephanie Rose your mom apparently wasn't interested in truth. She just wanted an argument to defend her diet, is all. People like Vivekananda and Da Vinci who abjured meat or never even tasted it, had eidetic memory because they weren't listening to science or accumulating data to sharpen their intellect so that could prove other wrong, but listened to their bodies. They were interested in living. Most of us sadly are eavesdropping while living in a celestial mansion. Doing right thing is vanity, not doing wrong is humility. I hope your arguments are rooted in love, not stemming from knowledge. Thank you for standing up to your mom for animals.
Stephanie be strong. The industries want to vilify VEGANs and label them with all sorts of vicious lies. But be strong. God protect you and save you. God bless!
There was another article published in the BMJ that said about people who follow Vegan and Vegetarian diets have an increased risk of stroke due to low cholesterol... It's been pretty much thrown out by other studies at least what was reported in the Guardian newspaper but was interesting to say the least... First choline then that...
As my grandpa says: The lies have short legs and fall by themselves. This biased eggs and meat industry false information is the biggest risk to society imo. Good job Mic, your content is Top-notch as always
Bravo to you, Mic. I read that misleading news article few days ago & was very disturbed. I was hoping someone knowledgeable will debunk that & YOU did just that! Many thanks!
So I'm vegan and don't want to gamble with my health, I also study nutrition at uni so I am learning conventional mainstream nutritonal science. My curiosity is sure there is choline in plant foods (broccoli, quinoa, soy, mushrooms etc), but there is nowhere near enough to get close to even 400mg of choline a day which is still less than the recommended amount for a woman. 43mg from quinoa + 58mg from mushrooms + pinto beans 30mg + peanut butter 11mg + broccoli 31mg + 1 cup of soy milk 57mg + halfa cup of tofu 35mg = 265mg and that's taking into account if you're eating all of those foods every day, it's way under the recommended amount. I'm a guy (2 meters tall, 105kgs, highly athletic), my recommended daily intake is 550mg, though given my size and how under studied choline is I probably need a bit more than 550mg. With 265mg of choline each day (roughly half the daily intake for a guy) on the above foods, shouldn't everyone following a vegan diet also take a choline supplement?
I used to own a restaurant and took the 2 day 16 hour food safety managers course several times and the most important thing I learned is that eggs and dead animal flesh had to be handled like toxic waste .... so how do people think eating food full of pathogens is healthy?
Mic is a well know cherry picker and not a genius at all. It's sad how many people follow him blindly without fact checking him. He runs a UA-cam channel and relies on clicks to earn money.
This is why I love science. My husband, here in the UK, was sent this article by one of his colleague. My husband is not even vegan 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️. I cook him for work plant based meals and he eats healthier but he also eats chicken and some crappy processed foods, no often though. So people are using this not just for vegans but now even for people who eat healthier. How more ridiculous is this becoming. Strangely, his collages have all high blood pressure and cholesterol, some diabetes, some gouts and all other health problems. I wouldn’t be laughing if I am that sick. Great video Mic, thank you!
I am grateful for Chronometer. My choline intake was almost zero since I went plant based and I started to supplement. It really helped with brain fog.
I am with you regarding the benefits of Cronometer. I track my food almost perfectly and daily since years and it turned out that over the course of a whole year I was/am short of about 30-40% regarding the recommended intake. I aim for a high diversity in my food portfolio and can not eat consistently/each day enough legumes or whole grains etc. to get their. I decided to add to it with a supplement.
This video 🙌🏻🙌🏻 this was actually on the news on the radio, bbc 1, and it really irritated me when I heard it! trying to scare people off of a diet that can do so much good 😭😭
Just wanted to mention a mistake in the choline math (thanks Eduardo). The pinto bean number is actually for dry beans not cooked beans so it's a bit lower. Quinoa in the USDA database is not specified as cooked or not so it's unclear there. Either way, you can easily get enough choline from plants...assuming we even need that much.
Apparently Dr Emma Derbyshire is the member of the Meat Advisory Panel.😁 It’s so easy to find this opinion paper from dr Emma on every mainstream science page but when it comes to health benefits of vegan diet,reversing diseases etc they are absolutely silent.
3:47 Thanks for adding the chart, Mic! Could you add the source and maybe make a whole video on what to look in for good peer-reviewed research (in medical, pharmaceutical and nutritional studies specifically)? I have never come across good advice on this during my BA studies and I think a lot of your viewers would be interested too! :)
Great video. I appreciate how quickly you address these types of topics and help to get the right information out there. Love this channel. Looks like you had fun in London. Saw you on Hench Herbivore's channel ;)
Thanks for the debunk. I think her paper is dangerous regarding eggs. Men with metastatic prostate cancer should not eat eggs and should probably shoot for the lower normal limits of plant based choline. This is a real problem in the African American population but as Dr Milton Mills has said some of the USDA guidelines are racist(milk) and this one will be too if the egg and meat industry are successful in this distraction.
Choline, Choline, Choline, Choliiiiiiiiine I'm begging of you please don't take my man Choline, Choline, Choline, Choliiiiiiiiine Please don't take him just because you can
Was an honour to meet you at V Camp out Mic. Loved the talk, very informative and funny at the same time. Great reception and turn out to listen to you. Keep educating the world. Kind Regards David Payne
Even the eggs from truly free-range chickens on my family's very small farm always tasted to me like farts and metal. I couldn't hardly gag them down without a lot of other things on them, as in omelettes with tons of onions, peppers, cheese, hot sauce, parsley, salt, pepper, etc.
Thanks Mic! Setting the record straight I see...I'm sure if u went thru all the "scientific reports" claiming these meat benefits, they'd all lead back to the same bloody place
I first heard of veganism from a vegan friend in high school. She became the valedictorian. I felt a little bad one time because I was wearing a t-shirt that said something about a roadkill chili cookoff, and I liked to wear a ribbon with it that said, "I tried my best". She saw me wearing the shirt and didn't laugh. I never thought I would become a vegan and here I am, ten years in.
Years ago, I read some click bait that claimed choline was a neurotropic drug ,so I took some as a supplement to help me study . Later I found out that it comes from eggs and is actually awful for you . I try not to take advice from click bait anymore .
I saw one headline talking about this but didn't even click it cause I knew it was probably gonna be something stupid... and who knew!! IT WAS! Glad to be on the map about this without having to read the trash myself. Now I can answer the stupid questions people are gonna ask me.
As a vegan Choline is a vitamin I've literally never worried about because it's so easy to get enough of it without really trying. This whole argument is so sad and infuriating! Great video and thanks for covering this topic as I had no idea this was going on.
All you have to do is search choline deficiency, and you can see for yourself how incredibly rare it is, and how it doesn't seem to have ANYTHING to do with whether you eat animal products, or not.
You have chosen the highest vegan sources of choline as an example meal; most people don't eat all those high choline food every day as that would decrease versatility of what a person eats. And I'm saying that as a vegan (am supplementing choline, though, among many other things, despite a healthy versatile vegan diet).
A teenager I know had a similar, but less severe issue. The skin was peeling off her feet. It looked like the beginning of leprosy. She also has a diet of mostly fast food and processed junk food. Her pediatrician diagnosed a significant vitamin deficiency and prescribed a multi-vitamin supplement. Not more fruits and vegetables. Sigh....
People need to be more educated about Choline so they can determine for themselves if they are obtaining enough. Have been Vegan 13+ years, Choline deficiency can happen to anyone and is actually very common in processed foods eaters or highly active people and/or people doing extensive fasting. regardless if they are vegan or not.
Is there a reason it's common in highly active people? Just watched this video now and it hit on a point about non-alcoholic fatty liver disease which I found interesting because I actually had some liver marker tests earlier this year that were slighty raised, but I rarely drink and am vegan, so don't hit those points... the other common lifestyle issue is "sedentary" people, but I was training for a national sports team at the time, so I wonder if I was exercising too much for the amount of choline I was getting. Regardless, this is interesting and I'll be making sure to eat a bunch more peanut butter just in case lol
I was just researching this myself after one listening to one of Dr Steve Blake videos on youtube (love Dr Steve Blake). He was mentioning that nutritional yeast has choline in it as well as the other foods you mentioned. I have to say that since going vegan 4 years ago I feel my mind is more clear plus I no longer get brain fog mid afternoon like I used to. .I think I must be getting enough LOL
I truly appreciate your videos. When ever I see a video that claims I’m not getting enough nutrients, all I have to do is type in your name and the subject of concern, and WALAH. You always have detailed information about it. You have made being a vegan possible for me and my family, and I can’t thank you enough. I literally just follow your recommendations, as well as read the books written by the amazing Vegan Doctors, and I feel great!!
I found this on Google! Here are several plant-based sources of choline including legumes, tofu, green vegetables, potatoes, nuts, seeds, grains, and fruit-all of which contain some amounts of choline.
Every Gastroenterologist I have heard demonizes *CHOLINE* but hey, fark it... Emma Derbyshire has got to be correct! Now where is that glass of pee pee, I'm feeling thirsty!!
Very interesting video as always! Have to say I listened to your talk and met you in person at vegan camp out this year and you were awesome! You really inspired my partner who isn’t vegan so thank you! 😁
Thank you for clarifying this... your videos are the best and love how thorough you are! It is terrible how articles like that take off when they have such a huge bias. I wish everyone could be motivated by truly understanding health and not trying to profit off of people's misunderstanding :-/ Appreciate all you do!
I always get a little bit happy with those articles. It means more and more people turn to vegan lifestyle and meat and dairy industry really struggling and trying to find new ways to confuse general public. I have biology and biochemistry degree and I was like "choline...why choline if our bodies make it???" How it can be essential if your body makes it? Gosh...but I can understand how people who didn't study biology can be misled by this BS. Thank you Mike for such a great response
People like Vivekananda and Da Vinci who abjured meat or never even tasted it, had eidetic memory. Most of us sadly are eavesdropping while living in a celestial mansion of Nature. Thank you for treating animal with love and compassion.
A new study just came out in Australia that being vegan/vegetarian increases your risk of a stroke. The article I read on it some other scientists where pulling the study apart.
Living in the UK, I read this article and freaked out a bit because I've been finding my studies hard. Mic the Vegan to the rescue! (Again!). From one guy to another, big thanks!! Turns out I'm just dumb! ;)
Dettol Do you eat meat? Then there is absolutely 0 natural b12 in your diet either. B12 is injected into cows. That’s right, just like vegans, you are taking a b12 supplement which means your diet is lacking too!! In fact the majority of all people are lacking in b12. Because we depleted the soil on our earth to such a point that is almost impossible to get naturally anymore. Which by the way, naturally comes from eating unwashed vegetables.
@@MaisieTheBlindHen2 Hhhha typical vegan liar coming from emotional based hhha Soil in america is depleted The place i live dont The meat i buy aint injected any sh*t, grass fed 💪 plenty omega 3 Which you guys missing I love when vegans get emotional Its very cute Also i woudnt suprised if vegans have anxiety problem All these girly features
@@dettol7245 You waste your salary on gras fed meat to get Omega 3 and B12. I buy B12 pills that last me for half a year for only 8$ and a flaxeed or chia pack to get the omega 3 for 5$ or 9$ that can last me up to a year. Funny the way you write as if you had some kind of superiority complex or believe yourself to be more "masculine" for eating meat.
@@elpretender1357 I dont eat pills , i eat food just like we all designed to, i showed bicep as it healthy if you eat clean grass fed, no musculinity mentioned here as i am not insecured , and i am not even sure if b12 pill syntethics work or not Even if it did better than meat I still eat it no matter what Cuz i am designed for it
Very good, thanks. A necessary video like so many on this channel. I first read about choline in 1974, and then it seemed to be often mentioned together with inositol probably the same food sources or effects together. This came to my mind so just saying.
Hey Mic, I think you missed a few points: Everyone is saying that Emma Derbyshire owns a choline ranch in Montana. Reliable sources say that they mistreat baby cholines. The "free-range choline" they've been marketing has been actually forced to live tightly confined in sheds.
Just watched a Jeremy vine clip were everyone made fun of vegans. Saying we are more of a risk of having a stroke. The whole panel were disgusting. I'm sick of the corruption.
I'm from India, and my family is vegetarian since I can't even recall, and my grandfather, who is 73 and still kicking, didn't know where he was getting his choline from, what role fiber play or what is even a protein let alone its enormous importance, but upon my asking 'Why can't I eat chicken?', he said, 'Because they have life too, they don't just voluntarily throw themselves on the butcher's knife. They have passion for life as you I and have.' and his rural simplicity and intellectual poverty has a profundity that science could never probe into or send a mission to, because it was rooted in love, not stemming out from his egoistical desires to defend his diet or satiate his taste buds. To sum this all up pithily, icicles don't stab Ocean. If anything, they contribute to its momentum without disturbing its depth.
What a beautiful comment! I'm Asian too and my family ate mostly brown rice, buckwheat, legumes and potatoes and my grandma is still alive and kicking at 94. She ate mostly rice and lentils since she was weaned.
Right on. Ride on. Rise on.
In fact, that's all I'm gonna say from now on when people ask me why I'm vegan. That's really the only reason that I stopped using animal products. The side effects are a bonus. I'm sick of explaining all the reasons. They are all valid, but meaningless compared to the pure and simple truth... They want to live.
How do you get b12 ?
@@CJ-eb2nt B12 enriched food and supplementents
They're trying to make choline the new B12, except this time it's a complete fail because plants already contain choline.
I hate that the focus has been taken away from b12, the one that vegans should actually be concerned with rather than random nootrients
Properly grown plants contain B12 inside leaves and roots cells as well. In a vegan utopia of vertical farming we could easily have leafy greens that provide our needs.
www.kent.ac.uk/news/science/17966/university-scientists-make-vitamin-b12-breakthrough
@@TheMrgrafixable I slightly and respectfully disagree my friend, I think b12 is a non issue now, in the case of vegans we're probably more likely to have too much b12 with all the hype around it the passed few years
Hahahahah yes! Good point, plans do! Cauliflower is a good low calorie source
@@TheMrgrafixable um, everyone should be concerned about B12. Most B12 deficient people are meat eaters and beef gets fortified with B12 because their flesh doesn't contain enough naturally. Taking an inexpensive supplement once a week is a superior source of B12 anyway.
I got the BBC one recommended to me through Google and me and my brother had a good laugh about it. I'm studying nutrition and it's getting silly how they're trying really hard to make veganism seem dangerous.
joeyofrivia same. After I read it just for craps and giggles I googled “plant sources of choline”, and oh big surprise, veggies, legumes, tofu, and whole grains are all good sources of choline. 🤦♀️
are you vegan?
@@leangroundbeef2322 if you mean me then yes, I am vegan. Been vegan for almost five years now but when it comes to nutrition and health I try to be unbiased and still learn and study about meat because I want to know everything :)
@@josefinarivia nice. i have a few friends who are dieticians and they aren't vegan and I'm always curious to see as to which diet nutritionists and dieticians adhere to.
@@ashleyjohnston9282 Soy has almost as much choline as eggs 😂
I was suspicious of this because she is worried about adequate choline intake in countries that consume more meat than most others the world over and more than in previous generations.
This!!!
I'm from the States and I found it almost unbelievable. I was screaming at the screen, "How many eggs do we eat?! You can't #^@%ing _get away_ from choline in this culture!" How anyone in that auditorium kept a straight face, I don't know.
BMJ should be ashamed of its self. Very grateful for your video. Thanks.
I can only hope they are getting substantial professional excoriation for this, hence the multiple updates to the article. Within the last two days they have published more errata, though, so maybe they need another hard lesson.
brits made capitalism.
Hey guys! Sorry for the slight delay but visiting in the UK I realized how much of an issue this is so I wanted to make sure I had some good research for you. Too bad they are all sleeping right now. Can you believe that progression of conflicts of interest? What was going on behind the scenes at the BMJ?
haha slight delay... man. You don't need to apologize amigo.. you rock! Thanks for doin this one!!
Thanks for bringing this topic to your audience
Brand new one from the BMJ... we're all gonna get vegan strokes: www.bmj.com/content/366/bmj.l4897
Thanks for the video. I had watched the one by the vegan footsoldier too before yours but was pleased to watch yours and you both pretty much come to the same conclusions. I cannot understand how ONE unresearched paper published in the BMJ got so much cover in the UK.
Nope, we’re definitely not all sleeping, nor were we even when you uploaded. I’ll have time for sleep in my ten extra years of life. ;-)
protein, calcium, iron, B12, zinc, cholesterol, fats, and now choline?!?! Whatever shall I do? My plant based diet that reversed my autoimmune disease is becoming more deficient by the day! 😂 In all seriousness, great vid Mic! 🙏🏼👍🏼
i'm starting to find it funny how desperate they are
ねこちゃnekocha only time will tell.
I read an article saying that water might not be the best way to get fully hydrated and i thought to myself it would be funny if they said milk was better, and it was really what they said hfndjkjdclksdsds I'm not even shocked at that point now
Lol they are really trying very hard. #sad
Plant based diets are usually fabricated by vegans.
Vegan, and carnivores diets = Unhealthy, harmful.
Proper vegetarian, and omnivores diets = healthy, not harmful.
There were tons of studies that were disproven through the recent years.
People disproven a common popular study because they took out processed foods when it came to the vegan diet.
But the meat diet wasnt measured or fixed properly. ((There are different kinds of meats, and preparations, and they didnt take that into account. Not to mention not all meats are processed meats.))
If you look at all the lies vegans will tell you theres scientists that disprove all "facts" of vegans.
Organ meats are known to actually help your health than to actually harm it.
Another issue with meat is when its cooked a certain way it can actually create a harmful substance to humans. It isnt the meat that's harmful... it's literally the way its cooked. That's like if vegans cooked their meal covered in protein oils. That's straight up unhealthy.
That's why cooking it, choosing the meats, and studying it properly is important.
www.google.com/search?q=lies+vegans&oq=&aqs=chrome.1.35i39l5.-1j0j7&client=ms-android-bell-ca&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
ua-cam.com/video/PFnkWjmvMOA/v-deo.html
Wow the corruption runs deep
@Peter Rabitt in other words, an oligarchy that makes up the top 1%
The latest argument against plant-based eating: choline tho
So we can get it from nuts and green vegetables.
Meh, a brain is overrated. I know a lot of carnitards who seem to be doing just fine without.
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That was brutal!
Damn! Roasted to the highest degree
Cringe.
@Rip van Winkle You sir are a perfect example of my previous point. Thank you for self selecting.
Shocking and sad that these lies are so boldly presented. Shame on her.
Truth seems to have gone plain out of fashion!
Wife Of Khan Are you Vegan? Are those mutton recipes in your Favourites Vegan?
@@meinname5788 1. yes, 2. no
I like your profile picture
Lately I've been seeing a lot of articles on this in my suggestive Google news feed. The first one I read the headline to I was like, "Damn it!" 🤦
Always at it again with total BS! I'm glad you made this video, but it must get annoying having to debunk things like this.
Jessica N. Google has a new alliance (paid) with big pharma and the strategy is to bury anti-pharma information or lifestyle health promoting pages and push industry beneficial websites and news. Not a coincidence we all get more and more of theses crap biased news in our feeds
The BBC radio stations was spouting this non sense on the first day of the UK camp out. Coincident much?
Shame on the BMJ for publishing this rubbish.
@Peter Rabitt Very Yoda of you, Peter.
First Choline, and now 'higher risk of strokes' in vegans/vegetarians - These BBC pseudoscientific articles are becoming more and more laughable!
Been waiting for THIS one! 👏👏👏
How are you awake?! Hope you like it!
@@MictheVegan Hench doesn't need sleep... Sleep needs HENCH!!
Mic the Vegan 🤣 I love it! Thanks for covering such an important topic!
Mic the Vegan - It’s 6:30 am there. Of course he’s up.
Mic the Vegan I’m still up from Wednesday here in the U.K. Work’s not going to do itself. :-)
Oats, beans, brown rice I'm getting plenty of choline.
I eat oats, beans, quinoa, and broccoli on a regular basis. Plenty of choline in my vegan diet too.
Glamour girl and plenty of good health too! ;)
Plenty of lectins too and ruining your gut
MistakenMystery hahaha look we have someone with no clue about science coming to post what the bloggers and paleos have told him. How cute!
@@fairywar beans don't have lectins?
Quinoa (1 cup cooked, 185g) = 43mg
Broccoli (1 cup cooked, 150g) = 60mg
Pinto Beans (1 cup cooked, 180g) = 63mg
Total choline content of the meal: 166mg
Add soy for triple that total in one cup :)
ִ do you think is it important to eat organic soybean? I am new in whole food plant base diet and realy I can’t eat this size of meal as @tombyrezio wrote. It is to big portion for me and I am having problem to balance everything. Or do you thing suplement of choline is fine? Thank you
I’m not a troll Love y’all Or supplement with some organic pastured eggs you buy to a local farmer. I wish I had done that sooner. Well I wish I hadn’t gone vegan but to each their own.
tombyrezio no thanks in don’t fund and pay for animal abuse. Sorry to the animals you are paying to be tortured.
@@MaisieTheBlindHen2 They're not tortured at all actually, I see them every time I buy the eggs. They have a better life than the animals that die from pesticides in soy crops or those that get desiccated by the tillage or harvest.
I ate a lot of stake and eggs many years ago. I still had a little son with a neural tube defect which was incompatible with life. This and other sad experiences drove me to look into a plant based diet. I have freed myself from debilitating arthritis and constipation just to mention a few health benefits.
Long live plants! 🥕🥔🍆🥑🥒🌽🍠🍓🍊
That sounds horrible, i feel so bad for you and your son :(.
Maybe that was caused by folate deficency, there is a lot of folate in whole plant food but only a little in animal products and junk food. 58% of omnivores are folate deficient.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/26502280/
Meat industry overlord: The vegans are getting smarter the b12 fear mongering doesn't work anymore...what shall I do
Meat industry overlords Igor assistant: sire I've went through the list and I believe choline is our next best shot
Meat industry overlord: choline huh....yes..hahaha.. YES....YEEEEEESSSSS HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
AND
Scene
B12 fear mongering is actually a good thing.
@@goku445 I agree I don't want nerve damage. It is important for me to have b12 sources in my life. So I don't mind taking b12 or consuming fortified products. The fear mongering helps.
David Williams how long have you been Vegan? I do hope you are actually supplementing. Your liver can hold about 5 years worth of B12
@@benjaminballs2859 3 years buddy, I supplement rarely but I eat a ton of nutritional yeast and fortified milks
Your statement about the IQ of vegetarians begs the question does a vegetarian diet cause a higher IQ or do people with a higher IQ choose a vegetarian diet? Sounds like a win-win to me.
Caleb Hicks it’s most likely vastly the latter.
Sky news have reported that vegans and vegetarians are at higher risk of stroke this morning. Heck the industries are getting scared.
I feel like you're going to be busy from here on in, Mic.
Thankyou for keeping the facts and truth out here in laymans terms for us, to defend ourselves from the carnist attacks.
Wolf Spear I saw that this morning.. the article I read actually grouped both vegetarians and vegans together in the same group and actually didn’t find the cause for their statement. They just made an assumption that is was based off a lack of nutrients.
Taking a step back, I realize how absurd this world is these days. So glad some sane people are left haha.
Thank you , Thank you , Thank you 🙏
Since this hit the headlines I have been hounded and I will be honest had me concerned for the younger vegans out there.
This has put my mind at rest and will be sharing this video now 🥰
Keep up the awesome work!
People like Vivekananda and Da Vinci who abjured meat or never even tasted it, had eidetic memory. Most of us sadly are eavesdropping while living in a celestial mansion of Nature.
Thank you for treating animal with love and compassion.
Mic, the BBC had put out some outrageous articles today, please respond to them.
I Wonder if this had anything to do with Brexit? Showing the Britisch Public that fruit and vegetables are highly overrated and that Britain can get by without European Imports.
Just a thought
@@ludicrousone8706 Not a bad observation.
@@ludicrousone8706 That would not have occurred to me, but it is plausible, and now my head hurts.
Is that the 20% higher risk of stroke one?
I heard it on the BBC radio news bulletin first thing this morning, triggered me before I was even fully awake!
@@JHClimbs yes and now today Mic has responded 💗
My breakfast: tomatoes, cabbage, blueberries, orange, cucumber, cilantro- choline and protein already at 25% of daily requirements.
Ro Ku that’s such a weird breakfast but you do you
@@nellieeess It's what happens when my sister gives me way lots of produce from her garden. Weird meals to use it all.
Oh no please don't talk about choline. It is triggering my choline deficiency.
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thats ok, soon youll be too dumb to even understand whats happening 🤣😂
(kidding, im a fierce and passionate vegan :P )
I googled which plant foods have choline. I come across a list of things I litteraly eat every single day. Some things multiple times a day. Decided I didn't need to worry about it. 😐
Mic btw, Dr. Greger has posted some new videos on new Keto diet results, discussing recent studies that totally debunk it
The biggest risk for our brains is to deal with stupid carnist arguments .
It's honestly not worth our time, but worse, there is much hate in the comments and inferred in many videos attacking vegans, attacking anything. It's toxic and brings people's mindset down. I feel it should be avoided. Conflict can happen but there's too much and I feel it should be avoided to stay positive.
@@RiDankulous It's really insane, even being respectful, most intelligent people when it's about veganism start behaving very immature, it's so sad to watch someone who you admire being so dumb .
I see it too, Vyn. I myself have strong beliefs about some things, too, and have to be careful to be considerate and mindful when I speak on certain topics, or avoid the topics altogether. :) Best wishes.
And just as that made the rounds, I woke up today to the BMJ having published an article about vegetarians and vegans having a higher risk of suffering a stroke; I apparently didn't get the memo where the BMJ said it was up for sale.
THANK YOU!!! 😭❤ seriously, I've been longing for this....I got into an argument with my mum last week because of this. She had been watching a Show from a Doctor via Facebook Live Videos (who is obviously just an entertainer in my eyes 😅😔) ...she insisted that this news he was talking about was true and I might get sick if I stick with a vegan diet and told me to eat meat and dairy from time to time, since we "need this" ...😔 somehow this was heart breaking for me
Stephanie Rose your mom apparently wasn't interested in truth. She just wanted an argument to defend her diet, is all. People like Vivekananda and Da Vinci who abjured meat or never even tasted it, had eidetic memory because they weren't listening to science or accumulating data to sharpen their intellect so that could prove other wrong, but listened to their bodies. They were interested in living. Most of us sadly are eavesdropping while living in a celestial mansion. Doing right thing is vanity, not doing wrong is humility. I hope your arguments are rooted in love, not stemming from knowledge.
Thank you for standing up to your mom for animals.
Stephanie be strong. The industries want to vilify VEGANs and label them with all sorts of vicious lies. But be strong. God protect you and save you. God bless!
There was another article published in the BMJ that said about people who follow Vegan and Vegetarian diets have an increased risk of stroke due to low cholesterol... It's been pretty much thrown out by other studies at least what was reported in the Guardian newspaper but was interesting to say the least... First choline then that...
As my grandpa says: The lies have short legs and fall by themselves. This biased eggs and meat industry false information is the biggest risk to society imo. Good job Mic, your content is Top-notch as always
Bravo to you, Mic. I read that misleading news article few days ago & was very disturbed. I was hoping someone knowledgeable will debunk that & YOU did just that! Many thanks!
So I'm vegan and don't want to gamble with my health, I also study nutrition at uni so I am learning conventional mainstream nutritonal science.
My curiosity is sure there is choline in plant foods (broccoli, quinoa, soy, mushrooms etc), but there is nowhere near enough to get close to even 400mg of choline a day which is still less than the recommended amount for a woman. 43mg from quinoa + 58mg from mushrooms + pinto beans 30mg + peanut butter 11mg + broccoli 31mg + 1 cup of soy milk 57mg + halfa cup of tofu 35mg = 265mg and that's taking into account if you're eating all of those foods every day, it's way under the recommended amount. I'm a guy (2 meters tall, 105kgs, highly athletic), my recommended daily intake is 550mg, though given my size and how under studied choline is I probably need a bit more than 550mg. With 265mg of choline each day (roughly half the daily intake for a guy) on the above foods, shouldn't everyone following a vegan diet also take a choline supplement?
I saw this video, and this is what went through my brain! Lol "Choline, choline, choline, choliiiine!" Sung to the tune of "Jolene"
I can't understand you because of my choline deficiency and because you're not wearing any hats.
Not even a face hat....disgusting.
Hats help me focus 🤤
@@missoats8731 The beard helps tho
@@FKBUSH1 HatLogic™
@@Wearephuct-O Right on. I've seen the charts and graphs.
I used to own a restaurant and took the 2 day 16 hour food safety managers course several times and the most important thing I learned is that eggs and dead animal flesh had to be handled like toxic waste .... so how do people think eating food full of pathogens is healthy?
Please make videos to expose the truth. God bless!
Choline, Choline, Choline, Choliiiiiiiine please don’t say I’m lacking cuz I’m nooot (to the tune of Jolene by Dolly Parton)
🎤I'm begging you please don't take my brain 🎤
Strangely i thought of that song too when choline news came into mainstream.
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It was severly awesome to meet you and your girlfriend at the UK Vegan Camp Out!
Thank you for keeping us well informed on how to live vegan safely!
Would have been cool to shout out Vegan Footsoldier, as he covered many of these points in his also high quality & thorough videos.
Agreed yeah!
Mic is among the very few plant based food activists who r more than genius!!
Mic is a well know cherry picker and not a genius at all. It's sad how many people follow him blindly without fact checking him. He runs a UA-cam channel and relies on clicks to earn money.
@@mystyboarder910 I love him..his explanations are always scientific and satisfactory.He is a true plant based diet follower and an inspiration too.👍👍
Seano seems like you’re triggered by facts eh? Provide evidence for your claims
This is why I love science. My husband, here in the UK, was sent this article by one of his colleague. My husband is not even vegan 🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️. I cook him for work plant based meals and he eats healthier but he also eats chicken and some crappy processed foods, no often though. So people are using this not just for vegans but now even for people who eat healthier. How more ridiculous is this becoming. Strangely, his collages have all high blood pressure and cholesterol, some diabetes, some gouts and all other health problems. I wouldn’t be laughing if I am that sick. Great video Mic, thank you!
I am grateful for Chronometer. My choline intake was almost zero since I went plant based and I started to supplement. It really helped with brain fog.
There is choline in legumes, bananas, and honeydew melon! :)
I am with you regarding the benefits of Cronometer. I track my food almost perfectly and daily since years and it turned out that over the course of a whole year I was/am short of about 30-40% regarding the recommended intake.
I aim for a high diversity in my food portfolio and can not eat consistently/each day enough legumes or whole grains etc. to get their. I decided to add to it with a supplement.
I've been curious to learn more about choline, thank you for this one!
Nutrition Facts .org has a series of videos on choline: nutritionfacts.org/?s=choline
Cronometer says 1 cup cooked pinto beans + 1 cup cooked broccoli + 1 cup cooked quinoa = 132 mg Choline.
This video 🙌🏻🙌🏻 this was actually on the news on the radio, bbc 1, and it really irritated me when I heard it! trying to scare people off of a diet that can do so much good 😭😭
Just wanted to mention a mistake in the choline math (thanks Eduardo). The pinto bean number is actually for dry beans not cooked beans so it's a bit lower. Quinoa in the USDA database is not specified as cooked or not so it's unclear there. Either way, you can easily get enough choline from plants...assuming we even need that much.
Apparently Dr Emma Derbyshire is the member of the Meat Advisory Panel.😁 It’s so easy to find this opinion paper from dr Emma on every mainstream science page but when it comes to health benefits of vegan diet,reversing diseases etc they are absolutely silent.
3:47 Thanks for adding the chart, Mic! Could you add the source and maybe make a whole video on what to look in for good peer-reviewed research (in medical, pharmaceutical and nutritional studies specifically)? I have never come across good advice on this during my BA studies and I think a lot of your viewers would be interested too! :)
This was very well done. Thanks for putting all the info together 👍
Great video. I appreciate how quickly you address these types of topics and help to get the right information out there. Love this channel.
Looks like you had fun in London. Saw you on Hench Herbivore's channel ;)
Thanks for the debunk.
I think her paper is dangerous regarding eggs. Men with metastatic prostate cancer should not eat eggs and should probably shoot for the lower normal limits of plant based choline. This is a real problem in the African American population but as Dr Milton Mills has said some of the USDA guidelines are racist(milk) and this one will be too if the egg and meat industry are successful in this distraction.
Choline, Choline, Choline, Choliiiiiiiiine
I'm begging of you please don't take my man
Choline, Choline, Choline, Choliiiiiiiiine
Please don't take him just because you can
Sorry, had to do that. Honestly, the egg and meat industries are grabbing at straws again!
Now we know why Quorn insists on putting egg in all their products🙄
Quorn now offers vegan "chicken" patties and burgers. (No, i'm not affiliated with Quorn.)
Excellent presentation. I'm watching this 4 years after the video was made, and I still see choline supplements being pushed.
Stories like this one will keep coming out as the meat and dairy industries feel the heat of loosing ground to veganism.
Was an honour to meet you at V Camp out Mic.
Loved the talk, very informative and funny at the same time.
Great reception and turn out to listen to you.
Keep educating the world.
Kind Regards
David Payne
Thanks for doing this video, clears up the confusion 🙂👍
I don't eat eggs that often, mostly cause they don't taste that good to me (unless it's scrambled) and cause of the high amounts of cholesterol in it.
Exactly I don't understand the hype it basically tastes like sponge or something 😂
Just eat egg whites then. No cholesterol
Even the eggs from truly free-range chickens on my family's very small farm always tasted to me like farts and metal. I couldn't hardly gag them down without a lot of other things on them, as in omelettes with tons of onions, peppers, cheese, hot sauce, parsley, salt, pepper, etc.
Thanks Mic! Setting the record straight I see...I'm sure if u went thru all the "scientific reports" claiming these meat benefits, they'd all lead back to the same bloody place
My brain, it has been stunted. 😱
Thanks for all your great work ! It's really helpfull even here in France ;-)
I first heard of veganism from a vegan friend in high school. She became the valedictorian. I felt a little bad one time because I was wearing a t-shirt that said something about a roadkill chili cookoff, and I liked to wear a ribbon with it that said, "I tried my best". She saw me wearing the shirt and didn't laugh. I never thought I would become a vegan and here I am, ten years in.
Years ago, I read some click bait that claimed choline was a neurotropic drug ,so I took some as a supplement to help me study .
Later I found out that it comes from eggs and is actually awful for you .
I try not to take advice from click bait anymore .
I did that too, some years back *headdesk*
At least ginko biloba makes a nice tea.
I saw one headline talking about this but didn't even click it cause I knew it was probably gonna be something stupid... and who knew!! IT WAS! Glad to be on the map about this without having to read the trash myself. Now I can answer the stupid questions people are gonna ask me.
As a vegan Choline is a vitamin I've literally never worried about because it's so easy to get enough of it without really trying. This whole argument is so sad and infuriating! Great video and thanks for covering this topic as I had no idea this was going on.
You forgot the Dolly Parton bit from your previous video - was hoping to see it again: Choleen Choleen Choleen.... LOL (great video, as usual!)
All you have to do is search choline deficiency, and you can see for yourself how incredibly rare it is, and how it doesn't seem to have ANYTHING to do with whether you eat animal products, or not.
You have chosen the highest vegan sources of choline as an example meal; most people don't eat all those high choline food every day as that would decrease versatility of what a person eats. And I'm saying that as a vegan (am supplementing choline, though, among many other things, despite a healthy versatile vegan diet).
You should do a video on an Irish teenager who lost his vision due to a highly processed diet excluding fruits and vegetables.
Oh yeah I heard about that! All he ate was pringles and ham or some shit?? Lol
@@davidwilliams9386 yup pretty much
@@davidwilliams9386 If he was vegan it would've made global headlines 😂
A teenager I know had a similar, but less severe issue. The skin was peeling off her feet. It looked like the beginning of leprosy. She also has a diet of mostly fast food and processed junk food. Her pediatrician diagnosed a significant vitamin deficiency and prescribed a multi-vitamin supplement. Not more fruits and vegetables. Sigh....
@@davidwilliams9386 They say fries, Pringles, ham slices, and white bread- basically garbage.
People need to be more educated about Choline so they can determine for themselves if they are obtaining enough. Have been Vegan 13+ years, Choline deficiency can happen to anyone and is actually very common in processed foods eaters or highly active people and/or people doing extensive fasting. regardless if they are vegan or not.
Is there a reason it's common in highly active people? Just watched this video now and it hit on a point about non-alcoholic fatty liver disease which I found interesting because I actually had some liver marker tests earlier this year that were slighty raised, but I rarely drink and am vegan, so don't hit those points... the other common lifestyle issue is "sedentary" people, but I was training for a national sports team at the time, so I wonder if I was exercising too much for the amount of choline I was getting. Regardless, this is interesting and I'll be making sure to eat a bunch more peanut butter just in case lol
I was just researching this myself after one listening to one of Dr Steve Blake videos on youtube (love Dr Steve Blake). He was mentioning that nutritional yeast has choline in it as well as the other foods you mentioned. I have to say that since going vegan 4 years ago I feel my mind is more clear plus I no longer get brain fog mid afternoon like I used to. .I think I must be getting enough LOL
Great Mike. Have you done a formal response (letter) to the BMJ?
great response mic keep em coming..
The fourth disclosure of conflicts of interest was one of your best jokes. Well done.
Good rebuttle Mike!
I love you, Mike. I was reading the paper about choline, and I thought like has to make a video about this. And you have done it already!!!
You're an absolute boss. Thank you Mic.
I truly appreciate your videos. When ever I see a video that claims I’m not getting enough nutrients, all I have to do is type in your name and the subject of concern, and WALAH. You always have detailed information about it. You have made being a vegan possible for me and my family, and I can’t thank you enough. I literally just follow your recommendations, as well as read the books written by the amazing Vegan Doctors, and I feel great!!
A.W.E.S.O.M.E man you're actually the best vegan UA-camr ever.
I found this on Google! Here are several plant-based sources of choline including legumes, tofu, green vegetables, potatoes, nuts, seeds, grains, and fruit-all of which contain some amounts of choline.
Every Gastroenterologist I have heard demonizes *CHOLINE* but hey, fark it... Emma Derbyshire has got to be correct! Now where is that glass of pee pee, I'm feeling thirsty!!
Very interesting video as always! Have to say I listened to your talk and met you in person at vegan camp out this year and you were awesome! You really inspired my partner who isn’t vegan so thank you! 😁
Smugness complete. Love it.
Thank you for clarifying this... your videos are the best and love how thorough you are! It is terrible how articles like that take off when they have such a huge bias. I wish everyone could be motivated by truly understanding health and not trying to profit off of people's misunderstanding :-/ Appreciate all you do!
ah Mike, your videos are always a plesure =) Nice work again !
I always get a little bit happy with those articles. It means more and more people turn to vegan lifestyle and meat and dairy industry really struggling and trying to find new ways to confuse general public. I have biology and biochemistry degree and I was like "choline...why choline if our bodies make it???" How it can be essential if your body makes it? Gosh...but I can understand how people who didn't study biology can be misled by this BS. Thank you Mike for such a great response
People like Vivekananda and Da Vinci who abjured meat or never even tasted it, had eidetic memory. Most of us sadly are eavesdropping while living in a celestial mansion of Nature.
Thank you for treating animal with love and compassion.
Another drawback: Choline took my man. And I was begging it please don't take my man
Able Tactics 😂
😅I can't
A new study just came out in Australia that being vegan/vegetarian increases your risk of a stroke. The article I read on it some other scientists where pulling the study apart.
Great video. I heard this on the radio. With a quick Google search I debunked this in a matter of seconds.
Living in the UK, I read this article and freaked out a bit because I've been finding my studies hard. Mic the Vegan to the rescue! (Again!). From one guy to another, big thanks!! Turns out I'm just dumb! ;)
Could you make a video about new bbc news article titled:”Vegans and vegetarians may have higher stroke risk”?
Hey Mic love your channel and IG, I’m a new subscriber and follow you on Patreon 🙂
Google recommended me one of those trash articles. Still hasn't figured out I'm a vegan. Or maybe they're trying to convert me back to meat.
Joss Kirk UA-cam gives me more and more burger/fries chicken ads in the middle of vegan cooking videos
Thanks for your timely explanation of the choline issue. I was just about to embark in my own research of the topic. Keep up the good work.
Coline is the new B12 of the anti-vegans
There is no b12 in your diet
Dettol Do you eat meat? Then there is absolutely 0 natural b12 in your diet either. B12 is injected into cows. That’s right, just like vegans, you are taking a b12 supplement which means your diet is lacking too!! In fact the majority of all people are lacking in b12. Because we depleted the soil on our earth to such a point that is almost impossible to get naturally anymore. Which by the way, naturally comes from eating unwashed vegetables.
@@MaisieTheBlindHen2
Hhhha typical vegan liar coming from emotional based hhha
Soil in america is depleted
The place i live dont
The meat i buy aint injected any sh*t, grass fed 💪 plenty omega 3
Which you guys missing
I love when vegans get emotional
Its very cute
Also i woudnt suprised if vegans have anxiety problem
All these girly features
@@dettol7245 You waste your salary on gras fed meat to get Omega 3 and B12. I buy B12 pills that last me for half a year for only 8$ and a flaxeed or chia pack to get the omega 3 for 5$ or 9$ that can last me up to a year.
Funny the way you write as if you had some kind of superiority complex or believe yourself to be more "masculine" for eating meat.
@@elpretender1357
I dont eat pills , i eat food just like we all designed to, i showed bicep as it healthy if you eat clean grass fed, no musculinity mentioned here as i am not insecured , and i am not even sure if b12 pill syntethics work or not
Even if it did better than meat
I still eat it no matter what
Cuz i am designed for it
Very good, thanks. A necessary video like so many on this channel. I first read about choline in 1974, and then it seemed to be often mentioned together with inositol probably the same food sources or effects together. This came to my mind so just saying.
Hey Mic, I think you missed a few points: Everyone is saying that Emma Derbyshire owns a choline ranch in Montana. Reliable sources say that they mistreat baby cholines. The "free-range choline" they've been marketing has been actually forced to live tightly confined in sheds.
Just watched a Jeremy vine clip were everyone made fun of vegans. Saying we are more of a risk of having a stroke. The whole panel were disgusting. I'm sick of the corruption.