Why Everyone On Screen Kind Of Has The Same Face Now | Explained
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
- From always having to look picture perfect even during the literal apocalypse, to “smartphone face” - aka actors who just look too modern to fit into period settings, to the rise of plastic surgery and other cosmetic procedures leading to so many people we see on screen starting to have nearly identical features, the effect of aesthetic trends has become more and more talked about in recent years. And while the expectation certainly isn’t that everything on screen has to be exactly true to real life all of the time - it is entertainment after all - it is interesting to take a deeper look at what drives these kinds of societal trends. The judgment is usually placed on the actresses themselves, but there is much more at play here. So let’s take a deeper look at the truth about these on screen trends, how they alter our viewing experiences, and can even affect how we see ourselves.
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CHAPTERS
00:00 Intro
01:22 The conundrum of changing to fit the times
02:25 The pressure (& necessity) of fitting into social media aesthetics
03:48 "Smartphone Face"
04:49 Pushed to conform... & then mocked for doing so
05:58 Check out our Patreon after the video!
06:07 It takes a lot of work to look effortless
07:04 "No-makeup" makeup... even in the apocalypse
09:33 Moving beyond the quest for perfection
11:07 The effect on us and the people on screen
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For me white smiles and perfect teeth kill any post apocalyptic story or period piece. Immediately bring me back to reality
Right? And not just teeth, but great hair, perfect eyebrows, expensive clothing that looks way too cool etc. I looked worse after 10 hour bus trips than those people look 10 years into apocalypse.
Or when a character is supposed to be living in poverty but has beautiful pearly white, straight teeth. Emmy Rossum in Shameless comes to mind.
@@cheesecake134 or anyone in Les Miserables.
I live in hope of people eventually getting to editing them back to "normal" for such movies XD
It's even worse when you're not from US and literally never seen those sink-white teeth on anyone in real life ever. It looks so alien and off-putting.
In the 70s sitcoms, actors wore the same shirts or dresses over and over, like they were in there closets. Nice touch.
In the 90s, the Australian soaps did this as well. The characters of Home and Away weren't meant to be wealthy, so you'd see then wear the same 5 shirts over and over again.
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You see this in I Love Lucy, too.
That’s something I always noticed on the show Family Ties. They reused the clothes and you’d notice it. Once I even noticed Jennifer wearing something Malory had worn previously and it felt so real. Hand me downs in a sitcom! I miss that simple charm.
The idea of having zero body hair while having no running water and just trying to survive is insane. Maybe the risk of audience pushback keeps studios from showing it. There are still some men out there that think it's gross and wrong for a woman to have any hair on her body.
It’s such a shame, because it’s perfectly natural. My partner is a cis het man who still finds me attractive even though I only shave for special occasions, and I’m fair with dark hair so it’s noticeable that my legs are about as hairy as his 😂
I’m fortunate in my relationship, but I wish I could see this reflected more in the culture at large instead of just in my own life…
Random, but have you heard of the iOS otome game called Arcana? One of the characters, Portia, is a woman who canonically doesn’t shave her legs! It’s amazing. They sell merch of her, and if her legs are exposed, they have hair. They sell a sexy body pillow w her image like this, hairy legged like me! It made us happy to see.
So there may be hope yet
It's gross and disgusting. Luckily there is that pushback. Thankfully through shame and social pressure women still try to look attractive.
"There are still some men out there that think" why are you lying and throwing female issues on men?
@@moonwort333 "I’m fortunate in my relationship" no you're not, no man thinks the way you women accuse men of thinking. Your own lived experience disproves your own delusion.
@@2livenoobSome men do think that way.
Not all but some.
And isn't it nice that she appreciates that she found someone who accepts her?
This is why I love watching British TV and movies. They have real faces. Faces with all of their beautiful imperfections. And gorgeous middle-aged women. There's nothing I love seeing more on screen than a middle-aged woman with gray hair and wrinkles. Everybody loves older women. Why are they trying to make it like they don't exist?
YES, me too! I want to be a movie director someday (somehow), and I absolutely want to have actors who look like real people
That's true!
When I saw The Fall (murder series) with Gillian Anderson, I had to make myself pause at Jamie Dornan scenes just to remember that I'm mostly heterosexual, because she was so gorgeous lol
It was one of my favorite aspect of watching Dark. Everyone looked real, skin texture and all while still looking beautiful, as human being are.
@@SandraAlves-jo4lo I found that the people on Dark looked even more authentic than on British tv, it was great!!
Veneers will never not fuck me up.
They are so so so uncommon in Europe that I have a weird uncanny valley feeling whenever I see them in US movies (and on some people from the US in real life.)
THEY LOOK SO WEIRD
To me hollywood veneers look like dentures and I can’t unsee it. My dad has mostly veneers because he lost most of his teeth, but they modeled them after his old teeth that were not perfectly square and kind of on the shorter side. It does not look weird on him
yeah they should put some yellow stain to make it more natural and not too straight. even on implants.
I live in UK and dont really see veneers. However, on an airplane back from holiday in Turkey there was a young man with the brightest, whitest, fakest teeth. His teeth were, in my opinion, awful.
Tom Cruise. Fake as all fake can be. He had a jacked up nose and teeth in The Outsiders. Then, all of a sudden, he had perfect teeth & nose for "Top Gun and "A Few Good Men"
I get it. It's Hollywood. But normal people in the service aren't all shiny and perfect like that
@@jennyfab312 When I read the OP I immediately thought of Katie Holmes. She had very cute unaligned (fairly symmetrical, nevertheless) teeth in Dawson's Creek, she disappeared for a while and then appeared next to Tom Cruise with perfect teeth. I was so disappointed.
@fluffylegs8598 Turks themselves don't get veneers much unless their own teeth are almost fully rotten/incomplete or they're filthy rich. Medical tourism in Turkey is insane (hair implants, teeth, LASIK surgery, nose jobs, etc), mainly by Arabs and Brits. Germans and Dutch are too sane and down to earth to do that lol, even though they vacation in Turkey a lot, too.
Also in cartoons, female characters tend to have the same face, for example in the total drama cartoon series, male characters tend to have different style of faces, but most females pretty much are the same.
Also with Disney princesses.
They are scared to deviate them from the norm because it's not "pretty". Tragic.
You see this in video games with wacky art styles (Borderlands comes to mind). There's so much variety in the male character faces and bodies, and 95% of the women are just big-eyes-skinny-pretty-big-boobs.
As much as I like Batman the animated series, Bruce Timm was super guilty of that. When he had Batgirl and supergirl out of costume with their hairs wrapped in towels he needed to show just a strain of hair so you'd know which one is which. Because their only difference was haircolor.
Simpsons was ok tho, they had different female characters although half were stereotypes lol
They all have those huge eyes, small almost nonexistent noses and big pouty lips. I’m so sick of it. Like, ok you represent different races, now how about representing different features.
Respect for Sophie Turner for that quote and saying truth as it is.
I'll never forget the recent UA-cam ad that sent me into an influencer-induced rage: "Soooo, I began my anti-aging journey when I turned 24"... shutupshutupshutp 😅
Wait am I not reading this right? Did it make you mad because she has PS so it wasn’t actually her anti aging routine? Cuz starting an “anti aging” routine at 24 is pretty normal 😅
@meganjeffrey6207 -- We can't even enjoy our 20's without the pressure of having to find the Fountain of Eternally Youthful Perfect Beauty, let alone make it through our thirties! And of course, women stop existing as objects of worth or desire in the eyes of many after they turn 40yo. -__-;
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When you factor in that the teenage years are filled with awkward growth phases and hormonal acne (and the sexualization of little girls increasing the pressure to be a 'pretty' girl even before reaching 10yo), there is basically no time in a woman's life when she's allowed to just *'be'* and enjoy herself. Because even if one at some point does feel 'good enough' she's still bombarded with un/subtle messages about how she'd better never let herself go because her worth drops when her looks fade.
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It's fcking *awful.*
@@mekaylanicolai54 no, it isn't. if anyone think it is, congratulations marketing worked on you. "anti-aging" is already an insane concept, aging is natural, beautiful, should be cherished, we fought as a species to live this long. but worrying about aging at 24??? crazy talk
no wonder we now have pre-teens worrying about aging too
@@Carols989 I mean people start putting on more moisturizer and eye creams etc. to prevent wrinkles. It’s pretty normal. You start to get greys and wrinkles start to develop around 25/30 it’s not crazy 😂
@@mekaylanicolai54 yes, it is crazy. And common and normal do not mean the same thing
There's also a problem with period pieces that the hair, makeup, and costume departments often style the actors to conform to current beauty norms. High fashion hairstyles in the mid-1800s, for example, were WILD and unappealing by today's standards (seriously, check them out), so most shows/movies refuse to use them, leading to the bizarrely common trope of "half-up/half-down hair = period." If Dakota Johnson had actually been styled in period-accurate hair, makeup, and costume, it would have gone a long way to minimizing the "smart phone-"ness of her face.
ETA: For examples of shows that get it right, Bernadette Banner has been doing round-up videos at the end of the year of all the best (and worst) historical costuming for the last few years.
I'm looking at her hair in the film again. The back isn't wildly inaccurate, but the front likely requires a flat iron to get those waves. According to Wikipedia, they weren't patented until 100 years after Persuasion was written. The regency period had tight curls.
Yess! This also bugs me about bridgerton and no one seems to be talking about it. I know its intentionally modernized, but there's definitely a balance to be found and they all look way too perfect
While this is true for contemporary films & does annoy me, it is also true of every decade of cinema. Movies from the 50s & 60s do heavily modify their historical costumes to fit more closely with the beauty standards of the current time. This is most notable with beaded 20's gowns, which look nothing like the actual gowns of the 20s, and any time a film takes place in the 1800s but the actress is wearing bright lipstick and a conical bra (Mary Poppins, Gone With the Wind, The Music Man, etc).
@@jasminak7342 oh, if anything, I think previous decades may have been worse about this for a couple of reasons. For one thing, the Internet didn't exist so it took a lot more work to look up what the appropriate period styles would have looked like. More importantly, there was a massive shift in the 60's and 70's toward favoring more realistic, representational films. Before that shift, a lot of commercially and critically successful films preferred a glamorous, presentational style. It's easier to justify styling your actresses to look good by today's standards when you're not striving for period-accuracy.
@@froggy8182 It's totally period inappropriate but I think they do it because it's a romance show and romances want the viewer to imagine themselves in those scenarios. Titanic also had very 1990s inspired hair and makeup that can honestly be a bit distracting, but it also allowed viewers of the day to imagine themselves in that time period. If you compare Bridgerton to 2019's Emma, the makeup and hair looks absolutely ridiculous by modern standards so it would be much more difficult for a female viewer to imagine herself as Emma compared to Penelope.
Has anyone heard the joke, "you're not ugly, you're just poor." I find it funny cause its true, if you have the money you to can look like a model with nose job, face lifts, hair, etc. These procedures are like 10k dollars or more.
It’s true! I’ve actually seen it with UA-camrs even, once their platforms get large enough to increase their income, the “glam” inevitably makes its appearance.
This happened with one in particular, I used to regard highly, who had spoken out about how beauty is a never ending losing game, but once she started to get more money she started getting injectables and it made me feel like she didn’t really believe her own stance on beauty, she just took that stance because she couldn’t afford to partake herself.
its true, look at Rihanna
@Cam28394 -- Yeah, you have to be rich, because some of those pricey procedures aren't even forever. Which means a return-trip to the doc even *if* your initial procedure went just fine (which isn't guaranteed).
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Breast implants nowadays last for 10-20 years, and it was not very long ago that it was max 10yrs due to what was available in terms of 'implant material' technology and techniques.
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Face-work, may need to be redone as one ages and fat deposits shift around.
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Idek about things like butt, hip, and arm/leg implants (yes, really; legs at least for sure, as a guy on one of those reality plastic surgery shows got calf-implants because his natural build didn't allow for his legs to beef up like his arms and he felt he looked imbalanced).
It's ironic that people with money want to look like high fashion models who 1) do not have plastic surgeries, 2) mostly come from a relatively poor background
there was an old tom waits song where he describes someone as, i think, a 'crumbling beauty' then says 'ah, there's nothing wrong with her $100 wouldn't fix'. I guess the cost of a hair dressing and a nice dress - and only needing to compete with girls from around the same lower class neighbourhood. Not saying it's the most feminist sentiment in the world, but it kinda highlights the cost and the fact that if you buy into the arms race, then you're competing with people who are professionally attractive or the best plastic surgeons money can buy.
Erin Moriarty's case actually made me sad and disappointed; like she was a genuine and naturally beautiful woman, she has zero reason to go under the knife and I'm wondering if external factors were involved or did someone in her circle got in her head
Pressure
@@samf.s.7731 yeah and it's sad because I don't think it's pressure from fans, I think it's just pressure from studios, both implicitly and explicitly. Studios like a certain look, which changes historically, but fans don't necessarily have a certain look. To me, audiences today appreciate a wide variety of looks, looks that were not often given in the past, but studios who are in their own bubbles don't often get that message. In fact, sometimes they completely read beauty standards wrong. For example, blond thin women are beautiful and people like looking at them, but it's just that people like looking at a lot of different beautiful women and appreciate a lot of different looks but too often studio execs think nope, the new it girl is what I'm looking for. If you're an actress and you know studios are going for certain looks, it's no surprise a lot of actresses feel pressure to alter their appearance.
Agreed! Her natural features look amazing, especially in the early seasons of the Boys. She had no reason to go under
@@samf.s.7731 I kind of want to be mad at you for throwing a Billy Joel song title out as a response, but... respect.
yea and it took all her unique features and made her look like so many other celebs that've gotten plastic surgery. all the beautiful unique features of these women that were already drop dead gorgeous gone ;(
There is a difference between European movies and series and Hollywood movies and series. It's like Hollywood is scared of non-drop-dead-beautiful people, people who don't look like supermodels. It's funny how even cop, detective or medical, firemen or whatever occupation shows have super gorgeous, way too made-up people in roles of cops, detectives, teachers, lawyers, even on field, while trying to put down the fire or operating on some person in emergency, or after 24 hour shift, they look all glammed up, with perfect hair and make up, shiny skin and they look so rested. It does make a lot of people feel bad about themselves and it's not realistic in slightest. Do those producers think the show will not have any popularity if actors are not drop dead gorgeous? Isn't like script, story, acting, characters and all other work enough? They all have to be pretty too?
I think that’s part of why The Office (both UK and US versions) was and is so wildly popular. The actors look like regular people you would actually see in an office, not super models play acting at an office job.
Certain groups in America will complain that it is woke
I had to stop watching Lincoln Lawyer after the "chef" of some restaurant was a hot brunette with really long hair just flowing down her chest. In a busy restaurant kitchen. And she had time to come out and talk to a first-time customer, not even a regular, and flirt with him during work hours. Like there is no freaking way that's a chef who works in a kitchen.
@@Innamoramento9 like 90s and 00s ER doctors with flowing long locks in ER and even in surgeries. At least, lately they are putting their hair under caps, but they still give them full glam make up like also for fireman women on the task. Long flowing hair is not something you will see on jobs which include any risks or hygiene.
You could even see this in most of disney star wars live action shows vs andor.. which was shot in the uk
The Diane Keaton era of actresses always look unmistakable and unique and inspiring on an empowering level.
Confession time; growing up, I hated Diane Keaton because of how ugly (!) she was (!), and now that I've stripped myself from my internalized misogyny, I want to hug and slap my teen self at the same time. So much self hatred as well as downgrading women to belong as a tomboy 🙄🙄🙄 Now I look at Keaton and I can't even see why I thought that way.
Everybody looks like Bratz dolls basically
This is the truth.
The ‘smartphone face’ meme was honestly hilarious like where did that come from? 😂
The first iteration of the idea that I can remember is a viral tweet saying (I think) Ben Affleck was the wrong choice for a period film because he has, "a face that knows what email is."
Tbh that's how I feel about having Emma Watson play Belle in beauty and the beast vs someone like Felicity Jones, bc Emma has a very modern face, while Felicity has a more historical/classic face (see her in The Aeronauts for an example)
@@doctorwholover1012Aeronauts sucked. Invisible Woman is a better display.
@@BALTHAZAAR58Nah, Ben Affleck has the face of a Dunkin regular.
@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom tbh I'm just using it as a reference to see Felicity in period clothing 🤷♀️
A good way to get a feel for how much cinema and TV beauty standards have intensified over the years is to look at period pieces from different decades. Like look at the new persuasion, or even bridgerton, the look at pride and prejudice from 2005, then back to the ones from the 90s and further. It's fascinating.
I feel like the old P&P intentionally found women with round faces that look like from an old painting though. If you look closely, you'll see some modern (you know what I mean) face expressions, like Lizzy cocking the eyebrow on Mr Darcy etc.
I already notice that when I watch first seasons of The Office, how different the actors look like to tv shows nowadays. They look like real, normal people compared to todays filtered faces.
I hate Bridgerton for how modern and unrealistic it looks. I just can't take them seriously. Everyone is perfect all the friggin time!
@@z.deutch1334 That's how the show was always pushed from the beginning though. They never ever were trying to go for authenticity of a particular time period. Their whole thing was creating their own aesthetic and vibe for their own world in a highly fictionalized way where they could even play around with the fantasy of how races are treated, the styling, even the music choices are more modern day pop songs reworked by orchestras. When Miley Cyrus songs are in the score, it's kind of obvious what the show is going for. You can't really force an expectation on a piece of media that's the opposite of what it's going for and then attack it for not doing what you decided it should do. That's not how art and media works. You take it for what the creators' vision is and then judge from that level.
if you think this is bad take a deep dive into korean beauty standards in their entertainment industry 😭
Yes please!
That needs a crack at it... Big time.
Of course we cannot change a foreign country nor do we demand that they embrace our style of ... Demanding less misogyny.
But the Korean entertainment industry has made products that everyone everywhere consumes and I believe, I believe, as such we have the right to "offer feedback" regarding what we are seeing.
They have the right to refuse to take it for sure. But let's not sleep on the subject matter.
American beauty standard is worse
FR. I thought this video is going to be about Korean entertainment and the whole Kpop plastic surgery cyborgs 🤣
@@nansiipii9018 South Korea has the highest rate of plastic surgery per capita in the world, way more than even the US. If you’re unfamiliar with Korean beauty standards and media, I’d really recommend looking into it
Its funny to me whenever I see old people share their photos from their younger days in 70s-80s Im always in awe on how unconcernedly beautiful they all are. Then I realized its because they appreciate what they have and embrace it, reflecting on how they always carry themselves with confidence.
The latest where I’ve seen this is Damsel, it constantly took me out to see her with perfect eyeliner and lipgloss while she’s literally running from a dragon. The makeup was too over the top.
YES! THANK YOU! And the fake eyelashes. Pretty much every woman in this movie had fake eyelashes, but Millie's were just so over the top unnatural looking.
@yesimarangel -- Very true, but it's easier to forgive when you like other aspects of a movie. Especially when we remember that this wasn't meant to be an A-list film and yet is still pretty enjoyable and manages to break a few tropes/traditions (for example, the way it handled the step-mother - step-daughter relationship).
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If a movie has little else going for it but the actors' good looks and/or what some affectionately call "costume/scenery porn" then off and inaccurate details in the visuals make it feel like a pointless "can't even do *that* part right" waste of time. People are less charitable with time-wasters.
Which is such an interesting choice, because I really liked her "natural" looks in Enola Holmes (although there's already a clear difference between part 1 and 2). Of course, those films are courtesy of the UK industry. Hollywood has lost it.
@@iprobablyforgotsomething henry cavill in Immortals
I'm not saying all actors do this, but since M.B.B. is also a producer of the movie, there was also less friction for her to "glam" her character up, even when the level achieved becomes distracting.
Not Lady Gaga telling me that the most important thing is to feel beautiful inside out whilst displaying a nose job and a trout pout among other cosmetic procedures 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️
I mean…she can try to advise others to feel better about themselves while you yourself can’t…
Even when I’m feeling down I still do my best to try and help my friends to feel better.
MTF
Shout out to Fallout for getting it right!
I too, noticed how she looked progressively more disheveled as she spent time out in the wasteland and how she cleaned herself up once she had the resources and time to do so!
Uhm what??? Nobody's hair looks that clean and nice during an apocalypse. Her skin didnt break out. All bs
@@pn7134 did you actually watch the show or are you going by clips you saw?
It sounds like you didn't watch the show bc she's from an underground vault which is basically like a utopian paradise, separate from the wasteland above them.
@@windfaerietree of course I watched it. I get she looks good at the beginning but after a couple of days outside in intense heat, being affected by radiation sickness, losing a finger...she still looks really good
@@pn7134 I agree but think that's moreso due to the actress just being really pretty. I thought the makeup team did a great job making her hair more messy as the show went on: the dirt and sweat building up on her face, cuts and bruises + she did look more sickly after being dehydrated, then drinking radiation water. Unfortunately so many shows/movies don't make that kind of effort and the female protagonist just looks straight out of hair&makeup for each scene.
One of my pet peeves is the whole ‘deglam’ look like we get it powerful people in cinema are weird about who looks ‘authentic’. On the flip side, why can’t conventionally ‘not hot’ people glam up on screen or be flamboyant more often?
But then who would be forced to make fart jokes? /sarcasm
I still can’t believe that Erin got plastic surgery. She was naturally beautiful and now she looks like everyone else.
Yesss! That was such a sad moment for me. She was so cute before! Now she just looks like another barbie…
This is what I liked about House Of The Dragon. A Diverse cast with different looking people. The Highborn people looked the part but not like perfect Instagram faces.
It's weird how the industry ia working hard to get people look less like real people, while simultaneously working on making artificial digital figures look more real. Eventually everybody and everything is going to meet in some uncanny valley middle, where they look like some blend of artificial with a bit of real.
Well before you start talking about women getting hate for getting an Instagram face and then also getting hate for looking like they are trying to hard, let's just remember that the hate women get is no different from the hate we've always gotten. We're damned if we do, damned if we don't. If we try hard and achieve, we're damned for trying hard, and if we try hard and achieve but LOOK like we tried hard, we're damned. Just take out all the fluff and remind women that it doesn't REALLY matter WHAT we do, WE'RE JUST DAMNED. And that's the real truth.
yes, you are expected to do the beauty work, but you have to also keep it a secret. Like 'Noo! I DID not just spend 2 hours curling my hair and doing the no-makeup look'. Looking according to beauty standarts is a full time job, that takes HOURS and a lot of money.
I nannied for a wealthy family a few years ago. They were very influential in art and media. The baby’s aunt came to stay with us, and she was juiliard trained actress, she’s not famous, but she’s been working regularly in film for years now. She’s starred in a few prime shows.
She started the morning wearing an eye mask, and eating a giant bowl of spinach. No dressing, just raw spinach.
She wasn’t going to open her eyes because the bright kitchen made her squint and that was “bad for business “ she said,
She also ate two pints of fat free plain yogurt.
All the while extolling how healthy and good plain spinach made her body feel. 😵💫
Than she went to for a run for 2 hours and Swam laps in the pool for 2 more.
All the while monologuing to me and the baby how good it feels to be HEALTHY.
The facial similarity thing is getting more pronounced now, but it's been there for a while, especially on TV. A friend once pointed out to me how British shows had a lot more facial variance, and then showed me how so many people on American TV had these similar proportions and markers which gives everyone an inherent sameness even if at first glance we think they look different because of coloring or variations in hairstyle. It's the sort of thing that wasn't obvious until someone made it obvious, and then I couldn't unsee it. Now, with everyone tailoring their looks for social media, it's become much more noticeable as people go out and literally buy the same face. It's unsettling, and it's already having such an effect on the way we perceive our species, as well as aging. I genuinely worry what this trend will have done to us in a few more decades. Scott Westerfeld's Uglies starts to seem more relevant..
Whenever I watch British media I'm always amazed by how everyone just looks...like a normal person you'd see walking down the street.
The bad thing is that it's hard to tell characters and actors apart.
I don’t really see Dakota Johnson as indicative of this look personally. I actually think she has a look that is good for a period piece long thin nose, full bowed lips, clear bright eyes, the high cheekbones. She has a look that looks very Regency to me. She’d actually work well in a Jane Austin movie. She even looks a little like Jennifer Ehle did in Pride and Prejudice with the coy knowing smirk. It’s more that the horrible Fleabag meets Austin disaster she was cast in ruined that possibility and the hair and costumes didn’t work to making her look right for the era.
I agree. She doesn’t have IG face and I was confused hearing people say she looks too modern for a period piece. I wonder if people feel that way more because she’s known for being in films that feel very modern, esp 50 Shades.
Edit spelling error: I never contacted the iPhone face critc with the IG model Kardashian look since the first person I seen been talked to have it was Ben Affleck people were joking he just has the face of someone who knows what email is so for me is not necessarily someone who fits to much modern beauty standards and it's actually they don't fit old Hollywoods beauty standards since I think we got or spactatiom of what people for example the regiency looked like from old period pieces.
@@Ana.luiza11 yeah that’s true, when people say someone looks like they’ve seen an iPhone a lot of those people don’t actually have the IG face, so it’s something else they’re seeing. I just feel like I don’t see it myself! Some people have an energy to them that feels modern, which I get, but I don’t really see it in people’s faces
I feel the same. Dakota doesn't look Instagram-ish to me
Same, I just think they styled her wrong for the period, and too modern. It has nothing to do with her looking "like everybody else"
As a woman with a larger nose and someone who likes my selfies but rarely likes pics other people take of me, it’s disheartening when everyone else is always picture perfect but I’ve more or less accepted it for many years now.
Same here. I no longer look in the mirror too extensively (I look how I look, who cares), and it doesn't occur to me to take selfies or scrutinizing my facial features. I still don't like my own pictures but if that's how I look to others, I can't do much about that either; I'll keep existing anyway. There will always be more/less attractive people than I am. A few people even complimented my Cyrano de Bergerac nose over the years lol.
When my boyfriend and I watched the Swedish show Ronja the robbers daughter, I felt this weird sense of relief. After a few episodes I realised it was because the actresses in that show looked like women I could run into in the supermarket, not polished Instagram supermodels. I didn't realise so many other shows and movies had this 'same glamerous face'-thing going on, until I saw a show that hadn't.
Theres a show of that? Omg, the book was my childhood!
Speaking of actresses looking too modern for period pieces Im still not over Mama Mia here we go again, the main actress looked like she was so extremely modern not once did I remember the movie was supposed to take place in the 70’s
Mamma Mia is supposed to take place in the 70's ?
@@AnnJo-gq8guthe second movie „… Here We Go Again“ is, since it’s a prequel showing Donna‘s youth
@@ginster458yeah, but I think they just fucked up the timeliness. Donna was supposed to be in her 20s when she had Sophie who was 20 in the first movie. The 1970s puts Donna in her 60s
@@jamiefrontiera1671Maybe they were retconning to accommodate Meryl being clearly way beyond her 40s in the first movie (and same for the men)
@@jamiefrontiera1671 the timeline in that movie was so effed up let alone them changing actual storylines from the original movie, it was so confusing
I have been ranting about this & not being able to tell actresses apart for quite some time (I may or may not be a boomer) so it is a relief to know it's not just cognitive impairment on my part. Also, may I say again how much I enjoy this narrator's work; I love that the Take seems to assign her the most thought provoking episodes. It's just a great voice for this kind of thing; slightly skeptical & amused, intermittently outraged...anyway, another excellent episode.
I didn't get my insecurities from the entertainment industry or social media, I got them the old fashioned way: my mother being overly critical of my looks: My features, my weight, my skin, the fact that I needed glasses and braces were, in all, a source of angry concern and a weird resentment to her. It's common: your parent wanting you to be seen as acceptable and desirable in society. This makes me wonder if the Kardashians or any other public personalities had to deal with this kind of treatment as children, which would logically make them more vulnerable to trying to conform to a standard later. Maybe the origin of this dynamic is the home, and the media just sets the trends.
Khloe said publicly that she got a nose job because her mom commented on her nose and how it could be better. I’m pretty sure she said it on their Hulu show. And that was in the last couple years. The way parents speak about their kids looks truly has the potential to f*ck kids up, and not just as minor children.
My dad was the one to do that to me…
@gabrielafonseca4034 -- You make a good point about the Kardashians. They probably got the remarks at home *and* outside the home, given the media scrutiny, so double-whammy. Yikes.
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@DaughterOfHelios -- That's an uncommon flip of the usual pattern of it being the mom. It must've added some weirdness-factor to the other bad feelings he was creating in you. : /
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Mine was my grandmother. Though she did it to most of the ladies in the family, I spent the most time with her, so... yeah. What was almost worse to me was that she wasn't *trying* to be malicious and didn't seem to be aware of the hurt she caused. And she wasn't always going around being mean, so that one could just say "she's always awful, just ignore her" and tune her out. So we weren't always expecting it when a verbal jab sucker-punched us.
Wasn't it known that Kris Jenner intentionally leaked her daughter's sex tape just so that she and her daughters become famous somehow? If that is true then I wouldn't be surprised that she was being strict towards her girls ever since the the OJ trials and needed to stay relevant.
the same face syndrome is simply an escalation of same body sydrome. hairless, thin, white, slim/buff, able bodies (there are some movies that don't even feature diversity on scenes with tons of extras!). of course that this progressed to a standardization of the faces as well, the message has always been pretty clear: unique or different = BAD. i really love RS Benedict's article "Everyone is beautiful and no one is horny" about this and how this relates SO MUCH with the sanitization of narratives nowadays.
Yes love that article! Articulates something I think a lot of us have been feeling
I was pleasantly surprised by the community pool scene in Strange Things season 2: everyone looked exactly like people from a small town in the 80's would do on a pool. The only buff individual was the lifeguard, and that made sense.
Botox and filler are taking away the ability to convey actual emotions and thoughts of characters these actors are destroying what we come to see it’s such a shame
Honestly, this is why I feel like there needs to be a resurgence to comedies more. In order to give actresses the time to be more expressive and practice showing different forms of emotions.
See, I thought starlight character appearance change was cause she was stressed and abuse (the character in the show), i didnt know the actress got surgery
and hell from what i have seen of that show would it really be that out of line that her character was forced to get surgery?
In one of the best adaptations of Jane Austen’s Pride and Prejudice, the actors were forbidden to wear any make up. That and the efforts to stay true to the atmosphere and wardrobe of the Regency period are just part of why that miniseries endures. That and Colin Firth’s Mr. Darcy 🥰
Somehow the Lord of The Rings movies to me always seemed more organic and grounded in reality (even the ethereal elves don't look like they somehow have a daily skincare & makeup routine or something) like how the Fellowship understandably each tended to have unkempt hair and bits of dirt on their faces due to a long journey with barely to no time to look more after hygiene while many Hollywood-movies' women usually look too perfectly clean like a untouched Barbie doll even when they're bloodied and bruised in some scenarios.
It helps that Aragorn literally didn't bathe and broke his toes onscreen.
Recently noticed this while watch Netflix’s Avatar the last airbender. It took me out a bit to see such perfect eyebrow makeup and modern blush placement on a fantasy show 😅
Same.
Uma Thurman will always be one of the most beautiful actresses for this reason.
It’s got something to do with the calculated sculpting of eyebrows. A mathematical precision that makes faces look like they just got a Lacome makeover at the cosmetic counter at Macy’s
RIP buccal fat
At least they should make guanciale with them or something, what a waste for humanity.
Years of body image issues my therapist recommended international shows, woman usually aren't doing plastic surgery, they look lovely...it really helped me!
I love Kate Winslet for keeping it real. One of the few older A-list actresses left that can take on those serious roles and period pieces and look authentic and believable. In Mare of Easttown, for example, I'd be hard pressed to think of another actress that had the same acting chops and could believably look like a small-town grief-stricken cop.
I absolutely believe that, starting with the actors strike in the 2000. The strike led to an oversaturation of "reality shows." The mean girl behavior spilled into TV and movies because "the devil gets the best lines/songs"
Now it's about how close you resmble the TikTok filters.
Acting, movies, TV, music - it's ALL defined by social media.
Video not only killed the radio star, it killed the actual talented stars
1:57 BeKindRewind has a video essay that discusses this too. It’s painful to hear what passed for makeover worthy in Old Hollywood.
Yes, I love BeKindRewind, and that video was heartbreaking!
Plus it makes it harder to tell characters apart, especially in ensemble casts.
In the end it is pretty privilege. We want to act like all bodies are beautiful and everyone is special (which is true to some extent) but we also like pretty people and are brainwashed to like a special and very specific type of pretty people so we are drawn to them and marketing notice that and capitalize it.
am i the only one who thinks dakota johnson's face actually *does* fit into period pieces? :x i get what smartphone face is lol i just don't see it w her!
No I agree with you I thought that was weird too - but it’s the way she was styled in the movie that just doesn’t sit right with a lot of people, myself included. I think she would have had a much more plain and unpolished look in that era in real life.
@@LightBluePoemHZ I think it's the hair--someone mentioned it looked too ironed.
@GuineaPig361 haha that's a good point. yeah the slightly-too-polished look can throw off a whole movie >.
@@GuineaPig361 you guys should watch the 2011 wuthering heights film I think yall would like it! In my opinion it’s such a good example of how to style hair and makeup in a period piece- barefaced except for maybe some blush and hair pinned but still a little messy. It adds to the raw and emotional theme of the story.
Everyone blames studios, managers, recruiters etc, and all do bear a lot of responsibility, but let’s be honest, the problem really lies with the audience.
You see the complaints coming in if they ever dare to cast actual normal looking (or god forbid, not very good looking) people.
Look at how people will watch appallingly bad actors if they’re hot. And it’s the same for men, women, straight, gay, whatever race etc. the audience is almost always to blame
This is the answer.
How many times have we seen (most often directed towards women by men) that an actress isn't pretty or bland, etc? As if that isn't the fuel for profit driven executives and producers to mold their content on what will SELL.
Bump that! I'll keep my unique beauty, the features that my parents and ancestors gifted to me. I don't want to look like anyone else. If that's your thrill, do your thing, but it ain't for me
It would be amazing if you made a video on why fake standards continue to be perpetuated, like the business side of it, advertising, sponsors, agendas, etc.
Shaved legs in period movies...
I agree with the whole instagram face thing but also i feel like some of this problems in tv show are big characterizations problems. I think is a bit harsh saying that camila morrone doesn't look like she belongs in the 70's when everyone else also looks like a cheap and stereotypical version of a person in that decade.
It reminds me of that MAD TV sketch called "Pretty white kids with problems" which was a satirical jab at most of WB's shows at the time, but it's gotten worse in our current year.
I remember that one
😂 I remember that one
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Everyone is going to look like a walking filter soon.
Let's bring back the unibrow
I never ditched it
How about never
@@Risingofthephoenixxx 😞
i also hate that even in movies set in modern time, everyone looks shiny plastic and poreless. They barely look human sometimes. I hate it
oh wow; i have been following TFD (The Financial Diet) and the Take for quite some time, and I was appreciating both of their eye opening content. I got happy to see TFD excerpt in this video. cool.
My friend who is a PA was telling me how hard it is for them to cast people for historical flicks now due to the plastic surgery.
The other day on the bus I just counted blessings looking at all the normal looking humans and appreciating the beauty of everyone's individual looks. Or what these odd internet kids call "average" nowadays. Please don't let this become a Scott Westerfeld world, this is what makes people beautiful.
We need more Kate Winslets and less Kardashians.
production assistant?
But it's always the women who are criticized for their looks
My mum didn’t want me to watch Dallas and dynasty and all these glossy American soaps of the 80s because she disdained how they all woke up in the morning with perfect hair and make up and claimed that it would give me the wrong impression what life is about
I feel sorry for the people that actually think plastic surgery looks good. Let alone is impressionable enough to spend the money and go through the risks and pains of surgery to achieve this look
How this trend affects real life for me is that, while I have no desire to wear makeup or look a certain way from a social standpoint, I worry that because looking pristine is starting to be considered the norm, in a work setting, regardless of job, just looking how I look with no effort put into "beautifying" will be considered below what is acceptably proffessional. Obviously looking attractive is something that benefits both genders, but for men, looking "clean" is basically enough, whereas if I do the same, people will look at me and assume I don't give a shit about my job. How can I be comfortable in my own skin when people consider witnessing my actual face to be some kind of smear on my character?
Everyone who gets a nose job in Brazil ends up with the same nose. Copy paste.
"No makeup makeup" means the same amount of makeup just no deep/bright/glittery colors, no full faux lashes, but definitely mascara or lash extension or individual lashes. As she said, "things men have trouble seeing." It's ridiculous that people cannot tell there's not makeup. It's actually stupid.
This is why I love the new dune movie. The fremen looks like they actually lives in desert.
well, except for zendaya 😭
@@skinnyrat4277I guess Zendaya will look perfect even in Apocalyptic Word, shes just an Alien)) One of a kind.
Oh suuuure... Zendaya sure looks like she lived her whole life in a desert planet in the year 10,000 with that "made in Hollywood, California" face of hers.
Not just Zendaya even. Josh Brolin, however badass is he, has that retro Americana look on him.
Casting is the worst part of Villeneuve's Dune movies.
@@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom zendaya’s acting skills aren’t standout but she is natural. she has a crooked front tooth and she’s been consistently filmed/photographed since she was a child
I love love the new rebrand.❤
They have the same plastic surgeons
Dakota Johnson is literally one of only actresses hasn’t changed her look
and kristen stewart, bizarrely
That end of the first episode of How to Get Away with Murder was amazing!!!!!!!!
As a male viewer I feel you did not describe the features of Instagram face enough. I get it's a "know it when i see it" deal but beyond the Rainbow Brown ambiguous look to them, what else makes their faces anachronistic?
Generally it's 1. a specific makeup style involving heavy contouring (a step in the makeup process which wasn't popular until fairly recently) along with 2. a specific eyebrow shape, thickness, & color generally perfectly symmetrical (uncommon for anyone), 3. a specific way of getting botox and fillers, so that their: cheekbones, nose, lips, profile, chin, and jawline are uncannily similar to each other's faces, in a way that is basically statistically impossible, in addition to 4. relatively non-invasive plastic surgeries similar to facelifts which affect eye shape and make them cantilevered plus also perfectly symmetrical (again, uncommon). *Somebody* out there will inevitably have a face shaped like that... just not so many that you're seeing it everywhere, getting people mixed up because they look so similar. Hope this is helpful. Was interesting for me to think it through. I'm sure I missed stuff.
edit: yeah I remembered one other thing: fake eyelashes. Men actually tend to have thicker eyelashes than women (because they just tend to have more hair in general), but beauty standards now dictate women must have thick, full lashes. Nothing looks more out of place on a person in an apocalyptic or devastating situation than fake eyelashes. (fun fact: it has also been a beauty trend in the past for women to actually *remove* their eyelashes entirely. Horrifying lol)
@DeLaSoul246 -- Thank you, having some 'concrete details' described made this concept finally make sense for me.
Just to be clear, no one puts their makeup on just for themselves. We have to use a mirror to do it. And a mirror is used to see how we look from an outside perspective. I cannot look with my own eyes at my eyebrows. It would never occur to me how they look without a mirror to see them. I put make up on them because of my awareness of how other people see me.
I rarely ever wear makeup now days and it makes me feel invisible... Finally! ❤
🇨🇦 I love how you can get away with unrealistic faces in animation & cartoons
This is really only true in American and Korean television and movies. In Europe and the UK, they use hugely diverse actors. Very individual looking people.
Sophie Turner won that role to Elle Fanning. Elle said in the Happy, Sad Confused podcast that she lost a role for a big franchise movie because she didn’t have enough instagram followers.
I found Erin Moriarty’s transformation actually made sense for her character arc on the Boys.
She was so stunning before and didn’t need to change anything about her appearance - I just mean that I found it interesting that Vought and her status within the world of the show most likely would have put pressure on Annie / Starlight
Erin moriarty makes me so sad because she was literally perfect. I'd kill to look like she did. Same with original Megan Fox. Its really hard not to be down on yourself when you dont even look like these women's starting point. Then they go way beyond that level and thats the standard now. Like how can anyone normal compete or feel okay with themselves?
What I really don't like is when any woman wears open hair although they are running, fighting, doing sports. So unrealistic!
I love this! 💜💜💜💜
While I agree in general, I don’t think Dakota Johnson has an Instram ascetic. To me she has a very timeless natural look.
I guess to not be insecure from these celebrities just don't be chronically online. Socialize with normal people to see that there's nothing wrong with you.
I worked in celebrity News. Beautiful faces are boring.
Love the fantasy world of the screen - so grateful for all those amazing talented people who go out and do the work
Totally agree - I want the pressure taken off “stars” to conform to a brutalising standard - not for me! Both ways - I don’t want it. I don’t want all that for them. I want them to be as happy as they can be following their dreams and bringing dreams to me. I will cope if they get old, look old!
This makes a lot of sense. I have been thinking about this lately without ever knowing about the iphone face
As others stated before, here in Europe things are still quite different. I really enjoy French movies for example. Not only because they usually have amazing storylines and storytelling, but also because the actresses and actors feel real. They look like anyone I could meet down the street and yet their faces and bodies are unique and recognisable ... (including real teeth.)
I'm rewatching Lost at the moment, and what gets me every time is that the women always seem to have shaved armpits 😂 Somehow, even though initially they're stuck without so much as a drop of water or any food to eat, they still manage to have freshly waxed armpits every day. For weeks on end 😂 Sure, maybe it would have been a bit much to expect modern audiences to get on board with women in our natural state on tv - it's still interesting to think about.
We should all learn that art is an art and that we shouldn't copy people on screen. And if we want art to remain art we in turn should not try to make what's on screen conform to our expectations
I have worn make-up maybe 20 times in my live (and i am over 40 now) and I am admittedly lucky with straight hair. I had a few times men telling me one the morning after: wow, you look exactly like yesterday evening, never met a women looking that good in the morning or: have you been up already and styled?...lol, simply due to not wearing make-up in the first place, they literally saw my normal face and that looks the same no matter the daytime. But for modern taste, I was probably not styled enough.
The Wilds did a pretty good job at showing what young women would look like after surviving for weeks on a deserted island. Their hair is dry as straw, their skin is burnt by the sun, they look damaged and dirty. I also loved that scene in How to get away with murder.
The late 60s and early 70s is my favorite movie period for a reason: the acting, the costumes, and the looks of a lot of movies looked genuine, sometimes even amateur, but in a really authentic way. "Barry Lyndon" is my favorite period piece of that era. I would argue that the 90s/early 2000s had a good handle in period/historical pieces too, with a rise in indie films showing a variety of actors. I too am tired of these over-embellished actors on screen, and the Hollywood makeover pressure.
I remember marveling at the difference between the animation of the Hulk and She-Hulk. His face looked *real*. She looked like a cartoon because she *had* to have perfect even skin, no imperfections here!
It’s giving damned if you do and damned if you don’t…welcome to Hollyweird
This
Make-up on productions also plays a role. Actor's faces are airbrushed.
I loved The Feud S2 but I was all the time distracted by the plastic look of all the actresses! It was unnerving. Plastic surgery, fillers, Botox overshadowed their acting for me, to the point where I googled the real women to check how old they were meant to actually look. 😂
You guys are way too quick to conflaite society with those in charge. Society is the audience. This is what the audienve wants to see. Change that, the standards will change