One of the worse things about this is that the authorities let her get by with so much. If they had listened to her husband's their would be 2 live children.
He would also be alive. It's all so sad. It shows how sexist police officers can be. Both with how they dismissed Charles and let Lori get away with so much.
Dont forget Tylee was one of them who stood by her mom for hours with cops many times. Lori is a typical LD$mind manipulator. Money,sex, greed, power & control-
Unfortunately, people expect "crazy" to look like someone dirty, ugly etc type. When an attractive blonde lady talks in a friendly way about surface level topics, it gets hard to get others to understand the real problem.
Police everywhere, the 13th Amendment allows you to be a legal slave if you are listed as a criminal;worded as such; they will not allow certain groups to be slaves, look how long they took to even bring charges up on Ahmad Arburys killers, is no longer self-defense if these so-called assailant is retreating which is running away from you you cannot shoot people in the back and call it self-defense because they are retreating yeah they had no original plans to charge those men with murder homicide although Ahmad was retreating because they were not trying to list them as legal slaves if they had criminal charges put on them. Yet Chad was listed as a homicide victim and they did no investigation to find his killers, because of the people or person they would have to list as a criminal/ slave. Welcome to Amerikkka 🤬
@@ShariEvans-tl3dw Yes, that was a very satisfying "gotcha" moment that we got to enjoy thanks to Charles. He really did so much to try to prevent what happened.
@Leena Wexler I know that Tylee was born to Joe Ryan. (Her name was always Tylee Ryan.) Charles married Lori when Tylee was 3 1/2, though, and she lived with Charles and Lori since then. On a body cam video Charles referred to both J.J. and Tylee as his kids when speaking to police about Lori, and Joe Ryan was already dead at that point. Anyway, Charles thought of Tylee as his daughter. I do too.
The Chandler police did an absolutely despicable job protecting the life of Charles Vallow who reached out for help and was summarily dismissed. I hope any law enforcement officers and their higher ups responding to this case never has a decent nights sleep knowing they let these killers walk free only to kill again and again.
They did the best they can. A lot of times when they side with the man, the woman gets hurt. They have to go by case to case basis. Just like doctors they’re human and make human errors. It’s not fair but that’s life.
@@emilinebelle7811 no they did not do the best they could they did a dreadfull Job, and I hope they are held accountable for the lack of duty, 5people could be still alive today if had they took notice of Charles in the 1st place, they should be sued and reprimanded all of them, LE are supposed to protect the public not let these dreadfull crimes happen. Charles was shot twice in defence yeah right!!
This channel also has another video posted in the last few days with Lori’s mother in it. I read many times that Lori’s mom is crazy, too! But I’m not positive!
@@mckenna9489 Right? This case has always been so weird and confusing to me b/c no one seemed to hold them accountable. And then Alex became a victim too (I don't think he died naturally)!
Totally normal, when I see people I know shot lying on the floor bleeding I always drive thru Burger King afterwards. Because that’s what people who are not psychopaths do.
Seriously....what they heck? Woudln't her children be in shock? And you're going to take them to school? Just checking things of the daily to-do list. 1, 2, 3....NUTS! And the police? I'm sorry, but you fumbled the ball. You didn't take Charles seriously. You did nothing to check out his story or safety plan with him. I'm a back the blue kinda person, but not when they totally blow it. R.I.P. Charles, Tylee, J.J. and Tammy.
Charles is worried about his wife and trying to get her help and all the while she is plotting his murder and labelling him a zombie. How is leaving the scene and going to your room to get a gun self defence? Also their stories don’t match, what was wrong with the police - really bad investigating , really bad. If they had arrested Alex, the kids and Tammy would still be alive,
Thank you Justin. This was a really good wrap up of this complicated case. So happy you will be there to cover and keep us informed. Justice for all the victims.
When you look at the deaths along Lori's time line and collections of life insurance makes me wonder how scary and eerie it is for Lori's friends and cult members to realize how deeply they were falling into Lori and Chad's dangerous, evil, self-righteous, make-believe story's.
She destroyed so many lives - Joe Ryan, Tylee Ryan, Colby Ryan, Charles Vallow, JJ Vallow, Kay & Larry Woodcock, Alex Cox, the rest of her family, Tammy Daybell & her family, the Daybell kids, her follower friends - heck, even the one in Hawaii who didn't take her bait is still stressed to the max over her experience of merely meeting Lori. And yes, Chad is to blame for most of this list, but notice that the list begins before Chad enters the picture. That's a lot of freakin lives she's ripped apart. She will pay dearly somehow or another. It's insane to look at her path of destruction
Chad's kids were all in on the cult (although I don't know that they had anything to do with the murders) and they are still faithful to their dad. Also all of them were adults, not dependent on him. Same with Lori's oldest son, Colby. He was an independent adult. They felt Lori's dependent children were in the way, and *that's* why they did it. It's horrific.
@KM, yes guilt would make a person age a lot but I agree, RIP to all of her victims and Justice for JJ, Tylee, Tammy, Charles and Brandon as well, he almost got killed by this demon resembling a human being
⏩ As a *toxic narcissist,* Lori loves people to the extent of *HOW THEY MAKE HER LOOK to her public.* Lori no longer wanted to be around *JJ* (for his disability,) *Charles* (who was figuring her out and getting in the way of her affair with Chad), and *Tylee* (for her growing challenge with her weight -- an embarrassment for Barbie doll Lori -- which I'm sure was a byproduct of the chaos and upset Tylee was experiencing with her mother.) *Lori showed us this same behavior in pretrial,* with her FIXATION as to HOW SHE LOOKS. *The sad fact is, Lori CANNOT SEE past the end of her nose* when it comes to compassion for others. *She's left NOTHING but death and destruction in her wake.* *For a person so fixated on her LOOKS,* Lori still CANNOT see, that *the "zombie" is actually looking back at her in the mirror,* and has been *all the while.*
I think tylee knew it was not an accident with Charles but believed her mom because kids who love their parents can be blinded to the truth. When or if they had arguments, it could be a possibility that tylee used that against her. I know I could be wrong but those thoughts have crossed my mind.
So sad. People like Charles Vallow always underestimate their estranged spouses. If you are having even the SLIGHTEST bit of acrimony or negativity in your separation/divorce, you NEED TO PROTECT YOURSELF. Better to look stupid than to end up dead. So many people end up dead. Never meet them. Especially not on your own. Thankfully Brandon Beaudreaux learned from Charles’s death. Why Melanie Pulauski isn’t being charged is beyond me. That woman is SO INVOLVED with each death.
I know, I cannot believe that crazy woman who had a major hand in orchestrating her husband Brandon's death is walking free & has p.t. custody of their 4 kids. Surely, they have enough evidence to charge her and lock her up!!
Great show Justin. Thanks for the refresher. Lori is looking a bit rough. Happy she is finally going to trial. #JusticeforTammy #JusticeforTyler #JusticeforJJ
Her husband has just been killed and she stood there laughing about it didn't raise a red flag at all, aswell has the fact Charles was shot twice didn't raise any flags it would have only taken 1shot to stop him with the bat, I don't believe he hit Alex with that bat at all. 😅
@@kathyannpardi9888 I understand Charles & Tammy's lives were insured, but what about Tylee & JJ ? And even the husband of Lori's neice ? They were on a killing spree
@@angels0auras Brandon also had large life insurance. Melani stopped the divorce preceedings before the shooting for this reason (allegedly) as she wouldn't be able to collect if they were in the process of divorcing. As for the children, there's an abundance of theories. Some think that the murders were ritualistic. I think that it's possible that Lori killed Tylee, maybe in a fit of holy rage and then JJ had to go as he could inadvertently blow the whistle on them by asking about his sister. I hope we'll get some answers during the trial but I'm not holding my breath.
I really appreciate your reports on this case. Very clear and thorough. Thank you! Prayers for the Woodcocks, the Daybell children and Lori's son... what a tragedy they are living through.
@jackiemills I agree many prayers for the victims, their families and friends. I have to do talk to text because of my vision spelling errors happen often.
Zulema and Melanie Gibbs need to be held accountable for their involvement but they've been given immunity because they are testifying against Lori and Chad. I wonder if Lori's brother Alex was murdered by them as well, interesting he was so involved and ended up dead.
Fantastic work Justin! This is probably the most tragic case of the decade, and you broke it down succinctly. Now it’s time for justice! #JoeRyan #CharlesVallow #TyleeRyan #JJVallow #TammyDaybell
I find the bodycam footage of Charles very upsetting. I don’t feel the police officer took his concerns and fear seriously enough. His planned murder could have been stopped which would probably have stopped the slaughter of the two innocent children. The death sentence being off the table is outrageous!!
@Leena Wexler My comment related to the context of this case not a general legal argument. In the UK & at least in the State of California law exists to protect against threats to kill. When this body cam took place the context was a welfare check on the missing child of Charles who himself was afraid of Lori’s threat to kill him. The welfare check led on from a search for Alex’s jeep suspected of being the source of a failed shooting - as confirmed by related police testimony in court on 11 April. The reported threat to Charles life, which shortly afterwards actually happened, should have been a red flag in this case given the context at that stage. Hence my initial comment. Hope I tried hard enough.
@@dawnb3194 I think your original comment was 100% right on, without any need of explanation or justification. You went above and beyond with your second comment. Much the way you would hope the police, whose job -- at its essence -- is "to protect and serve". In other words, to put some amount of effort into making sure someone who goes to them for help, will at least have their concerns looked into. Otherwise, the police are only patronizing. edited to add: The police "investigation" of Charles' death is more of the same police malfunction. Altogether, the police did nothing for Charles, and everything for Lori. If the police had done any part of their jobs seriously with any part of Charles' story, none of the subsequent tragedies would have been able to happen.
@@deelaljee9176 I think such action would only have played into the manipulative hands of Lori who at that time was making untrue allegations about Charles to family, friends & the Police - all of whom believed her or did nothing. This is why he felt so distraught.
I'm sorry you had a bad experience. There are a lot of people in the church that do horrible things. But that's not the church. I was treated horribly as a child by church members, even though I was a member as well. But I have stayed because I find peace from my savior in it, even if the people are imperfect.
Never was a Mormon. All religions are nonsense but I read about LDS and its pretty bizarre. Everyone thinks its like Christianity but its nothing like it.
Lori and Chad's beliefs are not the LDS church. Not even close. I hope you are not confusing the two. Sorry you had such a bad experience. Followers aren't perfect, that's for sure.
@@michalhaddadlevy965 no matter what they have or haven’t done. They still loss a love one. They still feel the pain of losing jj. Good or bad they feel the loss. Why all the hate? Maybe that’s something you need to contemplate. Why such strong feelings about the woodcocks?
Good summary on the case Justin Lum!! I enjoyed seeing Cheryl Wheeler in this video and seeing her perspective, and loved seeing Larry & Kay also!! Although I am so sorry to them that any of this has happened!! I am praying for Justice! 🙏🏻
But wait...at around 14:00 Lori sends a text to JJ's babysitter that he is at Kay's and refers to her as his grandmother, but in court today she claims she's not really his grandmother? Which is it Lori?????????❓❓❓❓❓❓❓❓❓
Little of both, actually. Biologically, Kay is JJ’s grandmother. JJ was born to a meth addict 4 weeks early and also addicted to meth, which got him removed from that person. JJ’s custody got turned over to Kay, his grandmother, who held him for a year and who he sees as his mother. Kay and her husband eventually realized he was so high energy that they wouldn’t be able to keep up with him as they got older, and Lori (Kay’s younger sister) said she would take him. Hence, Kay is JJ’s Grandma, Mama, and Aunt
Lori I feel is a serial killer. Everyone that ever was around her are gone, or greatly suffered one way or another, & she’s still at it, she’s trying to kill the survivors, victims, slowly, emotionally, she has no mercy for anything, just her world, ( by God, don’t stand in her way, she’ll play her goddess actions on earth, creepy to think about!!) Everyone of their family members, friends, they need their rights, they need to heal in the most greatest of ways, I’ll / we all will be right next to the survivors, the victims, till the end, beyond, they’re all such good human beings. Much love to all, we have you all, we don’t have the evil ones, there’s no mercy, let our Highest Power at the end, do what’s best for them, just keep them away from society.
Well truthfully who knows. These things can be demonic. She can be innocent. But if she did it for money then she guilty. Spiritual attacks are real. Demons can jump in and out of people making them commit crimes. There's also a lot of EVIL in this world!we live in. There's is the real world then there's the spiritual world. Only GOD can judge her actions. The bible States You Reap What You Sow. So if she really guilty she will pay in the end. Amen...
Why was the family allowed to determine whether or not Tammy Daybell would have an autopsy performed? In the state I live in, any death that occurred at home is automatically subjected to an autopsy. The woman was healthy. Young. Natural causes? In the middle of the cult-belt?
I think that Tylee may have known they killed Charles and not by accident. I think she trusted and loved her mom enough to possibly believe that Charles was “evil”
Divorce is never the way out, My wife and I have been having issues before I sort out help from a spiritual adviser,i wasnt going to let my marriage of 18years crash
Oh my goodness! 😂 Larry cracks me up!!! How did I miss this before??? “Looks like she combed her hair with a combine.” 🤣😅😂🤣 Genuine 💯 Larry Woodcock!!! 💕They broke the mold on him❣️
Her alibi is not for real, I mean she said she was with her 2 friends and chad in her apartment but then when her kids didn't appear anymore, anyone with no guilt would have notified police straight away and she didn't and plus she kept on getting SS payments for JJ and Tylee and didn't tell them the kids had disappeared
In order to have an alibi one needs to know the exact time and location the murders took place. I wish she'd testify and tell us exactly how she knows that and why she didn't report it to LE.
@Leena Wexler they may not have had any kids, but those were loco's kids and as a mom if I didn't see my kids after a while, I go to the police but she didn't so whether they had kids or not is besides the point
@@StellaFl I wish she would testify but as the narcissist she is, she may just do that and because she has a character defect she will control the narrative to suit herself
Considering the trail of bodies left by this witch someone needs to do an in depth autopsy on Alex the fall guy. Alex's death was way too convenient for Lori. Hopefully Arizona will get things right because the losers in Idaho have totally screwed this case up.
I've followed this case but not closely. Hopefully, someone here has & can help me. Didn't any of Tammy & Chad's kids question their Mom's death & then he runs off to get married to Lori? I seem to remember that their kids were still living in that same house. Did they ever question where Tylee & JJ were? Didn't they notice someone digging in their yard & put 2 + 2 together?
L was always talking about being in danger, her life in danger, ppl being "after" her, etc., when she's actually the one who was dangerous. Without Alex, who would've done her bidding?
If the police had reacted in time they could have saved four people’s lives :( Now I really hope that justice will be served and the judge and prosecutors don’t mess the case up.
Before killing her husband, she was claiming to family and friends she was specially blessed she couldn't be harmed. She said she couldn't be hurt by a bullet. So here she's telling police she was afraid Charles was going to hurt her. So she really doesn't believe she has special powers, and she's lying about him being dangerous. Lastly, now we know the motive to kill Tylee. Tylee lied to police about what happened, and Lori was afraid they'd eventually get the truth from her.
Wow..! Justin you we're on to this from the get go.. Excellent work fantastic, I'm watching from Australia bring on the justice for Colby & his family, the Woodcocks, Tammys family.
If you give the devil an inch, he will take a mile. This is a good example of how Satan invades one's life and turns a soul into a demon once you give him an opening.
The Woodcocks have been, so far, not allowed to sit in the courtroom because the “the law” doesn’t consider them victims. I do hope the judge will reconsider this as they were the grandparents!! I do not like the judge in this case. Sending all the love, support & prayers to the Woodcocks❤
Justin thank you for giving everyone a voice. They are all in so 5:02 much pain. I hope they can someday they will be able to look back and realize it was a nightmare and something they couldn't 😂have changed. We all have become involved in this disaster. All I can offer you is prayers and a very big hug.❤
It's so sad to see a man begging for help. The police department failed on him big time. Shame on them. While they are so under the spell and charm " of the widow " who is giggling and smiley.... Unbelievable!!!!
Crazy beliefs, like "spirits", is at the very HEART of the problem. Stop believing in unscientific nonsense (Bible, "spirits", "demons", "Satan", "Jesus", etc., etc.)
The way she chats & laughs with police, Charles was also shot twice in the chest whilst on the ground, very disappointing that they weren’t arrested on the spot, just maybe that would have saved the children?? She also had a pool party on the evening of Charles murder!!
I'm wondering why the kids were disposed of differently? JJ was intact wrapped in duct tape and plastic and Tylee was dismembered. Does that mean 2 different people did that?
They so deserve to attend, such loving and strong grandparents, the antithesis of the natural"mother". Why no cameras, looking at interviews this judge doesn't exude confidence. One things for sure though, these children are at rest, something these two will never know
Right, Alex dies of 'natural causes'! He was their 'fall guy', did all the dirty work, then conveniently dies. Not too sure why Zulema married Alex, that is a strange one.
One of the worse things about this is that the authorities let her get by with so much. If they had listened to her husband's their would be 2 live children.
Charles tried so hard 😢
He would also be alive. It's all so sad. It shows how sexist police officers can be. Both with how they dismissed Charles and let Lori get away with so much.
Dont forget Tylee was one of them who stood by her mom for hours with cops many times. Lori is a typical LD$mind manipulator. Money,sex, greed, power & control-
Another example of pretty privilege-
Unfortunately, people expect "crazy" to look like someone dirty, ugly etc type. When an attractive blonde lady talks in a friendly way about surface level topics, it gets hard to get others to understand the real problem.
So the death of Charles vallow was labeled a Murder by the police but they let the murderer go? What is wrong with our police here in Arizona
Exactly, the detective on that case was promoted. It is amazing that someone could do such a horrible job yet get promoted.
@@annhenry3135 so sad 😥
LDS cops thats whats wrong they beieved lorie
Police everywhere, the 13th Amendment allows you to be a legal slave if you are listed as a criminal;worded as such; they will not allow certain groups to be slaves, look how long they took to even bring charges up on Ahmad Arburys killers, is no longer self-defense if these so-called assailant is retreating which is running away from you you cannot shoot people in the back and call it self-defense because they are retreating yeah they had no original plans to charge those men with murder homicide although Ahmad was retreating because they were not trying to list them as legal slaves if they had criminal charges put on them. Yet Chad was listed as a homicide victim and they did no investigation to find his killers, because of the people or person they would have to list as a criminal/ slave. Welcome to Amerikkka 🤬
Thank you!! I've been holding that in for a bit now. @@maryhodgson8604
Beauty on Charles switching beneficiary on his policy.
Terrific reporting.
He was one of the first to start to figure these guys out. Unfortunately he couldn't save himself or protect his kids. He tried, though.
I was so happy that Charles changed his life insurance to his sister Kay! Surprise Lori 🤢👾🤬🥵
@@ShariEvans-tl3dw Yes, that was a very satisfying "gotcha" moment that we got to enjoy thanks to Charles. He really did so much to try to prevent what happened.
@Leena Wexler I know that Tylee was born to Joe Ryan. (Her name was always Tylee Ryan.) Charles married Lori when Tylee was 3 1/2, though, and she lived with Charles and Lori since then. On a body cam video Charles referred to both J.J. and Tylee as his kids when speaking to police about Lori, and Joe Ryan was already dead at that point. Anyway, Charles thought of Tylee as his daughter. I do too.
Always tell them when they are off the life insurance
The Chandler police did an absolutely despicable job protecting the life of Charles Vallow who reached out for help and was summarily dismissed. I hope any law enforcement officers and their higher ups responding to this case never has a decent nights sleep knowing they let these killers walk free only to kill again and again.
Totaly agree it's like they just allowed Lori and Alex do whatever they wanted to do.
They did the best they can. A lot of times when they side with the man, the woman gets hurt. They have to go by case to case basis. Just like doctors they’re human and make human errors. It’s not fair but that’s life.
@@emilinebelle7811 no they did not do the best they could they did a dreadfull Job, and I hope they are held accountable for the lack of duty, 5people could be still alive today if had they took notice of Charles in the 1st place, they should be sued and reprimanded all of them, LE are supposed to protect the public not let these dreadfull crimes happen. Charles was shot twice in defence yeah right!!
This channel also has another video posted in the last few days with Lori’s mother in it. I read many times that Lori’s mom is crazy, too! But I’m not positive!
@@mckenna9489 Right? This case has always been so weird and confusing to me b/c no one seemed to hold them accountable. And then Alex became a victim too (I don't think he died naturally)!
Totally normal, when I see people I know shot lying on the floor bleeding I always drive thru Burger King afterwards. Because that’s what people who are not psychopaths do.
She I a textbook Psycopath
In Charles car too. Grotesque.
And buy lip gloss and flip flops. How could the cops have missed this?
Seriously....what they heck? Woudln't her children be in shock? And you're going to take them to school? Just checking things of the daily to-do list. 1, 2, 3....NUTS! And the police? I'm sorry, but you fumbled the ball. You didn't take Charles seriously. You did nothing to check out his story or safety plan with him. I'm a back the blue kinda person, but not when they totally blow it. R.I.P. Charles, Tylee, J.J. and Tammy.
Charles is worried about his wife and trying to get her help and all the while she is plotting his murder and labelling him a zombie.
How is leaving the scene and going to your room to get a gun self defence? Also their stories don’t match, what was wrong with the police - really bad investigating , really bad. If they had arrested Alex, the kids and Tammy would still be alive,
💔 😢 Poor Charles, Tylee, JJ, Tammy. Time for justice.
Don't forget Tammy Daybell.
And their loved ones that now mourn them all... Lori and Chad are truly selfish human beings.
They must have access to the Court Room The Woodcocks Kresha And Family
@@cyankirkpatrick5194 and Joe Ryan.
And Joe
Thank you Justin. This was a really good wrap up of this complicated case. So happy you will be there to cover and keep us informed. Justice for all the victims.
My heart goes out to all those who crossed paths with her :( 😢
When you look at the deaths along Lori's time line and collections of life insurance makes me wonder how scary and eerie it is for Lori's friends and cult members to realize how deeply they were falling into Lori and Chad's dangerous, evil, self-righteous, make-believe story's.
She destroyed so many lives - Joe Ryan, Tylee Ryan, Colby Ryan, Charles Vallow, JJ Vallow, Kay & Larry Woodcock, Alex Cox, the rest of her family, Tammy Daybell & her family, the Daybell kids, her follower friends - heck, even the one in Hawaii who didn't take her bait is still stressed to the max over her experience of merely meeting Lori. And yes, Chad is to blame for most of this list, but notice that the list begins before Chad enters the picture. That's a lot of freakin lives she's ripped apart. She will pay dearly somehow or another. It's insane to look at her path of destruction
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@@ColleenMcCoin
Funny how all of those ‘inconvenient’ people suddenly become ‘evil spirits’.
How come it's only Loris children that became zombies and none of Chads?
Chad's kids are off. Something wrong with them very weird people
Because the husband manipulated her too. Their intentions are the same.
I think it was just a matter of time before they would off them too so they could be all to themselves in their messed up version of paradise.
Apparently they worship the ground he walks on.
Chad's kids were all in on the cult (although I don't know that they had anything to do with the murders) and they are still faithful to their dad. Also all of them were adults, not dependent on him. Same with Lori's oldest son, Colby. He was an independent adult. They felt Lori's dependent children were in the way, and *that's* why they did it. It's horrific.
She’s aged 20 years in these 3 past years. RIP to all of her victims.
Things happen when your Botox supply is cut off. 😂
No more Botox.
The outside is starting to match the inside
@KM, yes guilt would make a person age a lot but I agree, RIP to all of her victims and Justice for JJ, Tylee, Tammy, Charles and Brandon as well, he almost got killed by this demon resembling a human being
GUILT is probably Tormenting her! Hopefully she has nightmares every night! This is sad..
The sad thing is I can absolutely think of 5000 more things to charge them with
As well as Melanie Gibb, Zulema, Melani Powlowski and the Gilbert PD.
⏩ As a *toxic narcissist,* Lori loves people to the extent of *HOW THEY MAKE HER LOOK to her public.* Lori no longer wanted to be around *JJ* (for his disability,) *Charles* (who was figuring her out and getting in the way of her affair with Chad), and *Tylee* (for her growing challenge with her weight -- an embarrassment for Barbie doll Lori -- which I'm sure was a byproduct of the chaos and upset Tylee was experiencing with her mother.)
*Lori showed us this same behavior in pretrial,* with her FIXATION as to HOW SHE LOOKS. *The sad fact is, Lori CANNOT SEE past the end of her nose* when it comes to compassion for others. *She's left NOTHING but death and destruction in her wake.*
*For a person so fixated on her LOOKS,* Lori still CANNOT see, that *the "zombie" is actually looking back at her in the mirror,* and has been *all the while.*
Evidence?
Lori could have easily put Tylee on a diet.
I think tylee knew it was not an accident with Charles but believed her mom because kids who love their parents can be blinded to the truth.
When or if they had arguments, it could be a possibility that tylee used that against her.
I know I could be wrong but those thoughts have crossed my mind.
So sad. People like Charles Vallow always underestimate their estranged spouses. If you are having even the SLIGHTEST bit of acrimony or negativity in your separation/divorce, you NEED TO PROTECT YOURSELF. Better to look stupid than to end up dead. So many people end up dead. Never meet them. Especially not on your own.
Thankfully Brandon Beaudreaux learned from
Charles’s death. Why Melanie Pulauski isn’t being charged is beyond me. That woman is SO INVOLVED with each death.
I know, I cannot believe that crazy woman who had a major hand in orchestrating her husband Brandon's death is walking free & has p.t. custody of their 4 kids. Surely, they have enough evidence to charge her and lock her up!!
Great show Justin. Thanks for the refresher. Lori is looking a bit rough. Happy she is finally going to trial. #JusticeforTammy #JusticeforTyler #JusticeforJJ
Her husband has just been killed and she stood there laughing about it didn't raise a red flag at all, aswell has the fact Charles was shot twice didn't raise any flags it would have only taken 1shot to stop him with the bat, I don't believe he hit Alex with that bat at all. 😅
I agree. If Charles batted Alex, he would have knocked him out.
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In all truth, Lori & Chad must have been nuts if they thought they could just kill everybody & get away with it.
$$$$$$$ Was their motive.
@@kathyannpardi9888 I understand Charles & Tammy's lives were insured, but what about Tylee & JJ ? And even the husband of Lori's neice ? They were on a killing spree
@@angels0auras Brandon also had large life insurance. Melani stopped the divorce preceedings before the shooting for this reason (allegedly) as she wouldn't be able to collect if they were in the process of divorcing.
As for the children, there's an abundance of theories. Some think that the murders were ritualistic. I think that it's possible that Lori killed Tylee, maybe in a fit of holy rage and then JJ had to go as he could inadvertently blow the whistle on them by asking about his sister. I hope we'll get some answers during the trial but I'm not holding my breath.
They thought the end of the world was to happen on July 20, 2020 and no one would notice the kids were gone.
@@annhenry3135 Very possibly, especially LVD. That still doesn't explain the why though :(
I really appreciate your reports on this case. Very clear and thorough. Thank you! Prayers for the Woodcocks, the Daybell children and Lori's son... what a tragedy they are living through.
Lori's son got arrested 7 month ago of alleged rape, put into yt search: 'Doomsday Cult' Mom Lori Vallow's Son Allegedly Raped Woman in Arizona
Thank You Justin
from Sydney,🇦🇺Australia,
for keeping us All informed on this Tragic Case.😌
Thank you for the update. Prayer for Families and Friends threw the trial and may JUSTICE be served 🙏
@jackiemills I agree many prayers for the victims, their families and friends. I have to do talk to text because of my vision spelling errors happen often.
Justice!
@eboston7591 I had to giggle!!
Justin you have done so much to help bring justice for Charles, Tylee, JJ, and Tammy 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Thank you for referring to her as Lori Vallow. Too many people had to be “removed” for her to become “Mrs Daybell”! 😢😢😢
Thank you for the update. Great reporting. Justice needs to happen for the victims of this insane plot. RIP to the Victims 🙏❤️
LD$- FLD$- RLD$
Zulema and Melanie Gibbs need to be held accountable for their involvement but they've been given immunity because they are testifying against Lori and Chad. I wonder if Lori's brother Alex was murdered by them as well, interesting he was so involved and ended up dead.
Oh they killed him
Fantastic work Justin!
This is probably the most tragic case of the decade, and you broke it down succinctly.
Now it’s time for justice!
#JoeRyan
#CharlesVallow
#TyleeRyan
#JJVallow
#TammyDaybell
And Brandon Beaudreau!!
Justin your coverage of this case has been excellent since day 1. Thank you for bringing the facts to us and reminding everyone of Lori’s complicity.
I find the bodycam footage of Charles very upsetting. I don’t feel the police officer took his concerns and fear seriously enough. His planned murder could have been stopped which would probably have stopped the slaughter of the two innocent children. The death sentence being off the table is outrageous!!
@Leena Wexler Threats to kill reports to the police are police business!
@Leena Wexler
My comment related to the context of this case not a general legal argument. In the UK & at least in the State of California law exists to protect against threats to kill. When this body cam took place the context was a welfare check on the missing child of Charles who himself was afraid of Lori’s threat to kill him. The welfare check led on from a search for Alex’s jeep suspected of being the source of a failed shooting - as confirmed by related police testimony in court on 11 April. The reported threat to Charles life, which shortly afterwards actually happened, should have been a red flag in this case given the context at that stage. Hence my initial comment. Hope I tried hard enough.
Perhaps had he grabbed J.J. and some clothes and gone to stay with the Woodcocks until the divorce was finalized, they might have survived.
@@dawnb3194 I think your original comment was 100% right on, without any need of explanation or justification. You went above and beyond with your second comment. Much the way you would hope the police, whose job -- at its essence -- is "to protect and serve". In other words, to put some amount of effort into making sure someone who goes to them for help, will at least have their concerns looked into. Otherwise, the police are only patronizing.
edited to add: The police "investigation" of Charles' death is more of the same police malfunction. Altogether, the police did nothing for Charles, and everything for Lori. If the police had done any part of their jobs seriously with any part of Charles' story, none of the subsequent tragedies would have been able to happen.
@@deelaljee9176 I think such action would only have played into the manipulative hands of Lori who at that time was making untrue allegations about Charles to family, friends & the Police - all of whom believed her or did nothing. This is why he felt so distraught.
I was raised LDS. I'm 52 years old and I'm still in therapy!
@endtimesareuponus8930 yes.😊
I'm sorry you had a bad experience. There are a lot of people in the church that do horrible things. But that's not the church. I was treated horribly as a child by church members, even though I was a member as well. But I have stayed because I find peace from my savior in it, even if the people are imperfect.
Never was a Mormon. All religions are nonsense but I read about LDS and its pretty bizarre. Everyone thinks its like Christianity but its nothing like it.
Hugs to you
Lori and Chad's beliefs are not the LDS church. Not even close. I hope you are not confusing the two. Sorry you had such a bad experience. Followers aren't perfect, that's for sure.
I think the niece had something to do with all this also
This was really well done and put together Justin!!! I have been looking forward to watching it.
Justin I follow your coverage in this case. You do a phenomenal Job! Thank you.
God bless Kay and Larry 19:26 may they find peace and justice soon ❤
@@michalhaddadlevy965 I agree, I am not a fan of them. Yet, they do grieve a tragic loss and for that I hope for peace and justice.
@@michalhaddadlevy965 no matter what they have or haven’t done. They still loss a love one. They still feel the pain of losing jj. Good or bad they feel the loss.
Why all the hate? Maybe that’s something you need to contemplate. Why such strong feelings about the woodcocks?
Good summary on the case Justin Lum!! I enjoyed seeing Cheryl Wheeler in this video and seeing her perspective, and loved seeing Larry & Kay also!! Although I am so sorry to them that any of this has happened!! I am praying for Justice! 🙏🏻
Awesome Job on your Documentary Justin. Your reporting is on point. 😊
My heartaches are so bad for those who lost their life at the hands of Evil.
Thank You Justin for your excellent coverage of Vallow-Daybell murder case!
But wait...at around 14:00 Lori sends a text to JJ's babysitter that he is at Kay's and refers to her as his grandmother, but in court today she claims she's not really his grandmother? Which is it Lori?????????❓❓❓❓❓❓❓❓❓
Little of both, actually. Biologically, Kay is JJ’s grandmother. JJ was born to a meth addict 4 weeks early and also addicted to meth, which got him removed from that person. JJ’s custody got turned over to Kay, his grandmother, who held him for a year and who he sees as his mother. Kay and her husband eventually realized he was so high energy that they wouldn’t be able to keep up with him as they got older, and Lori (Kay’s younger sister) said she would take him.
Hence, Kay is JJ’s Grandma, Mama, and Aunt
@@Spagoooterman
Charles vallo is the brother of Kay the grandmother of JJ , she is not Lori's sister
@@deborahmulkey1627 right. It gets confusing after a while. Makes Kay Lori’s Sister In Law
I knew she was sister to SOMEONE in there
Lori I feel is a serial killer. Everyone that ever was around her are gone, or greatly suffered one way or another, & she’s still at it, she’s trying to kill the survivors, victims, slowly, emotionally, she has no mercy for anything, just her world, ( by God, don’t stand in her way, she’ll play her goddess actions on earth, creepy to think about!!) Everyone of their family members, friends, they need their rights, they need to heal in the most greatest of ways, I’ll / we all will be right next to the survivors, the victims, till the end, beyond, they’re all such good human beings. Much love to all, we have you all, we don’t have the evil ones, there’s no mercy, let our Highest Power at the end, do what’s best for them, just keep them away from society.
Before and after Chad
By definition she is a serial killer. She’s caused the deaths of more than 2 people and there has been an extended period of time between each murder.
Well truthfully who knows. These things can be demonic. She can be innocent. But if she did it for money then she guilty. Spiritual attacks are real. Demons can jump in and out of people making them commit crimes. There's also a lot of EVIL in this world!we live in. There's is the real world then there's the spiritual world. Only GOD can judge her actions. The bible States You Reap What You Sow. So if she really guilty she will pay in the end. Amen...
Why was the family allowed to determine whether or not Tammy Daybell would have an autopsy performed? In the state I live in, any death that occurred at home is automatically subjected to an autopsy. The woman was healthy. Young. Natural causes? In the middle of the cult-belt?
I am impressed by the clarity of this report. I am subscribing, thank you!
I think that Tylee may have known they killed Charles and not by accident. I think she trusted and loved her mom enough to possibly believe that Charles was “evil”
@@maureenc1284 it could very well be. I have an autistic son who seems to repeat things a lot
Sending much ♥️&✌️ to Kay, Larry, Annie, Tammy’s family, Colby & the rest of the Vallow family tonight.
Great summary of this case! Thank you!
Thank you for everything that you have done to bring this case forward, Justin!
JUSTIN!
AWESOME
Reporting & Summarization!
Great job Justin! Such a hard story to put together. Justice for JJ, Tylee, Tammy, & Charles! 💙💜❤💙
My biggest question for me is why would she take Charles car if they didn't live together nor got along. Thought this was odd
Her sense of entitlement
No shoes etc. The police really messed that case up
Divorce is never the way out, My wife and I have been having issues before I sort out help from a spiritual adviser,i wasnt going to let my marriage of 18years crash
@Mark Reeves well not the orthodox way but i was referred by a friend to a spiritual adviser and healer
@Mark Reeves her name is SHELLY RENEE WHITE,and she is a great spiritual adviser as well as caster
you can look her name up online and you will find all you need.
It can be the way out! If its stopped working, get out before it gets worse. Spiritual stuff can end up like this sad story!
So if you’re being abused by your partner, divorce is not the answer? What kind of moron are you? Serious question.
Oh my goodness! 😂 Larry cracks me up!!! How did I miss this before???
“Looks like she combed her hair with a combine.” 🤣😅😂🤣
Genuine 💯 Larry Woodcock!!! 💕They broke the mold on him❣️
Even though Charles was trying to report her for threatening his life, he was still 'worried about her,' he wanted her to 'get help'
She doesn’t look like that anymore and she never will
Great work Justin 👏
Love and light from NZ, redemption day getting closer!
R.I.P to their victims and may the system give them justice!❤
Great work, @Justin Lum 👍
Here we go! ⚖️
Justin, thank you for bringing this case forward from the beginning.
They were so confident that they could pull off this crime spree that they really did nothing to cover their tracks.
So bizarre. How did they get so many to look the other way for so long?
Anytime a man reaches out for help he’s laughed at and ridiculed.
Sexist bias means law enforcement needs more training. Leaving an abusive relationship is the most dangerous time for the victim.
Put this monster away for ever.
It’s a shame the death penalty is off the table.
Justin Lum has done an exceptional job digging and reporting on this. Congratulations.
Her alibi is not for real, I mean she said she was with her 2 friends and chad in her apartment but then when her kids didn't appear anymore, anyone with no guilt would have notified police straight away and she didn't and plus she kept on getting SS payments for JJ and Tylee and didn't tell them the kids had disappeared
Guilty!
In order to have an alibi one needs to know the exact time and location the murders took place. I wish she'd testify and tell us exactly how she knows that and why she didn't report it to LE.
@Leena Wexler they may not have had any kids, but those were loco's kids and as a mom if I didn't see my kids after a while, I go to the police but she didn't so whether they had kids or not is besides the point
@@StellaFl I wish she would testify but as the narcissist she is, she may just do that and because she has a character defect she will control the narrative to suit herself
@Leena Wexler exactly and that is why I said, her kids didn't appear
Fox10 is so lucky to have Justin on their team, and we are too!
Excellent show. Thank you. I'm praying for Kay & Larry. 🙏🏻🙏🏻
A patsy is an innocent person set up by guilty parties. Alex is a pawn not a patsey
Considering the trail of bodies left by this witch someone needs to do an in depth autopsy on Alex the fall guy. Alex's death was way too convenient for Lori. Hopefully Arizona will get things right because the losers in Idaho have totally screwed this case up.
Supposedly they did. It was shocking when it came back as natural causes. There's lots of speculation as to how they could've made it look natural.
I'm pretty sure Alex was cremated.
@@doneestoner9945 Yes and for a life long Mormon that is strange. Sometimes they can get info out of bone pieces but it was probably poison.
Thank you Justin for your consistent dedication to this case. May they finally receive their fate!
I've followed this case but not closely. Hopefully, someone here has & can help me. Didn't any of Tammy & Chad's kids question their Mom's death & then he runs off to get married to Lori? I seem to remember that their kids were still living in that same house. Did they ever question where Tylee & JJ were? Didn't they notice someone digging in their yard & put 2 + 2 together?
Nope. They all drank the Kool Aid and defended their father.
I hope the cops in AZ learned something valuable from this.
If they didn't have anything to do with the murders, how did Lori know when JJ was killed?!? I call BS on them both.
L was always talking about being in danger, her life in danger, ppl being "after" her, etc., when she's actually the one who was dangerous. Without Alex, who would've done her bidding?
If the police had reacted in time they could have saved four people’s lives :( Now I really hope that justice will be served and the judge and prosecutors don’t mess the case up.
It is NOT the job of the police to protect individual citizens from harm.
Great video on their case with info I haven’t seen or heard about yet.
How many crazy people have said down the ages "the end is nigh we're in the final day's "?
This documentary is wonderfully done.
2:12 Alex’s face… you can tell he’s a complete liar.
Great summary of a complex case.
Before killing her husband, she was claiming to family and friends she was specially blessed she couldn't be harmed. She said she couldn't be hurt by a bullet. So here she's telling police she was afraid Charles was going to hurt her.
So she really doesn't believe she has special powers, and she's lying about him being dangerous.
Lastly, now we know the motive to kill Tylee. Tylee lied to police about what happened, and Lori was afraid they'd eventually get the truth from her.
Yep !
Wow..! Justin you we're on to this from the get go.. Excellent work fantastic, I'm watching from Australia bring on the justice for Colby & his family, the Woodcocks, Tammys family.
My gosh people are heartless out there 😢
Arizona appears to be a place of many gruesome murders
That killer couple has to face the music 🎵
If you give the devil an inch, he will take a mile. This is a good example of how Satan invades one's life and turns a soul into a demon once you give him an opening.
The Woodcocks have been, so far, not allowed to sit in the courtroom because the “the law” doesn’t consider them victims. I do hope the judge will reconsider this as they were the grandparents!! I do not like the judge in this case. Sending all the love, support & prayers to the Woodcocks❤
He's working to ensure an appeal proof trial. People don't seem to get that. Or that the defense and state both asked that cameras be disallowed.
Justin thank you for giving everyone a voice. They are all in so 5:02 much pain. I hope they can someday they will be able to look back and realize it was a nightmare and something they couldn't 😂have changed.
We all have become involved in this disaster.
All I can offer you is prayers and a very big hug.❤
Looking real bad Lori! Karma, for these monster murderers
It's so sad to see a man begging for help. The police department failed on him big time. Shame on them.
While they are so under the spell and charm " of the widow " who is giggling and smiley....
Unbelievable!!!!
It is NOT the job of the police to protect individual citizens from harm.
She is a dark spirit. 👹😈👺
Crazy beliefs, like "spirits", is at the very HEART of the problem. Stop believing in unscientific nonsense (Bible, "spirits", "demons", "Satan", "Jesus", etc., etc.)
Great show. I haven’t heard the whole story, so thank you.
You’ve been there w the Woodcocks since the beginning!👏
Keep in mind LORI WAS MARRIED TO CHARLES VALLOW
AND CHAD WAS MARRIED TO TAMMY WHEN ALL THESE MURDERS OCCURRED. No one was an ex. Karen Morente
The way she chats & laughs with police, Charles was also shot twice in the chest whilst on the ground, very disappointing that they weren’t arrested on the spot, just maybe that would have saved the children??
She also had a pool party on the evening of Charles murder!!
She also called the life insurance company to make a claim that same day he was killed.
Justin you have done an awesome job exposing this case
Greed$$$
Great reporting 👏 👍
I just wish someone would say it out loud. It looks like the religious bs he was peddling did not instill the moral qualities he proclaimed to have.
I'm wondering why the kids were disposed of differently? JJ was intact wrapped in duct tape and plastic and Tylee was dismembered. Does that mean 2 different people did that?
They so deserve to attend, such loving and strong grandparents, the antithesis of the natural"mother". Why no cameras, looking at interviews this judge doesn't exude confidence. One things for sure though, these children are at rest, something these two will never know
It's been a very long process for sure. I'm praying that justice be served. ✝️
Right, Alex dies of 'natural causes'! He was their 'fall guy', did all the dirty work, then conveniently dies. Not too sure why Zulema married Alex, that is a strange one.