But now you can have the mobility of a switch (for a time before the battery dies) and a full power PC/laptop that can play some of the best and newest games and then use it like a you would a computer! Nintendo now is losing the mobility and now relying on exclusive games on there platform, and Nintendo is not going to make a switch with windows on it.
It may flop, PC gaming community has become very salty when closed systems are mentioned... I still can read some backlash because instead of a desktop, I bought a gaming laptop (a G752vs when the GeForce 10 series was new)... and I can play any game in mid-high specs, even at 2160p (but sadly, I can't make it work in HDR properly). No imagine a handheld device from a community that's always complaining about phone games aren't "real videogames".
I am hoping for the Steam Deck to be a solid success so that more devs are aware of Linux as a gaming platform and that could helps losen Microsoft's grip on PC gaming as a whole.
honestly if they get Proton working at close enough to native Windows performance, then I'll happily uninstall Windows from my PC and go full Linux. Last time I upgraded my laptop and was FORCED to sign in with a Microsoft account or else have my device essentially bricked I decided that enough was enough
@@MrlspPrt Yknow, I’d love to see an Alternate History Hub vid in the next few years titled “What if my brother never caused the collapse of console gaming?”
The way Valve employees are free to just come and go between projects they find more/less interesting makes me wonder for the future of the Steamboy. It would be bad if this became the new TF2. But then, if I already have a decent PC, do I really "need" this?
@@mikkelens true, but if you own a gaming laptop, probably already own a car, so "transit" probably means "driving", and airplane/bus travels mean you already bring the charger with you. One of th the last times I made a long travel, my bus had a charger, so I don't think it's very problematic because I live in México, so developed countries should've been better with transport services... I hope. To be honest, I'm afraid of taking my gaming laptop to the bus, in my country is very dangerous bring even your phone 😖
Not sure, but I believe somewhere around hl:alyx launch some interview suggested that they were working with a more "normal" setting now and in a higher commitment environment.
@@yohei2k Yeah, you can take that approach with software if you have valve money, but I guarantee you that their approach is at least a little different when it comes to hardware. You have partners, minimum buy orders, software devs making kernel/driver stuff, etc. If people leave the project it jams the entire line up and pisses off their suppliers.
if I recall didnt they kinda stop or cut down on people switching around on projects once they started really getting into HL:Alyx due to realizing how little they were getting done otherwise. Like look at all the stuff that died while they were doing that.
i'm pretty sure this is for the crowd that has been content with their pc/console but wants something more in regards to portability. of course, if portability isn't anything you're looking at, then it's probably not going to suit your needs. however, if the switch is leaving something to be desired, which is the case for me, then this is prefect. plus, you can actually probably play wind waker, oot and whatever other classic zelda games you want to on the steam deck, unlike the switch.
Beside the Joke. It would be quit interessting, if they would ported the game to the Steam Deck. Stellaris semi works on console (doesn't had a PC for a long time and than switch in the past year to the Master Race). So heck, let you be surprised by Paradox in they DLC flood for Vic3
Remember when “PC Gaming is Dead/Dying/Doomer?” Lmao I think the turning point from my memory was around the time DayZ Mod first got popular. Then was around when I stopped hearing doom & gloom about PC gaming, and it’s blown tf up ever since
Their version of steam os is most likely not going to be very different from desktop linux (looking at screenshots of it connected to an external monitor), it is a modified version of Arch with KDE as their desktop environment, proton already exists built into the steam client for desktop linux, it is more likely Valve will just increase the proton compatibility and is already working with developers to make anti-cheat compatible with Linux. It is important to remember that even without the entire windows library, it can still boast about having a larger library than all consoles on release and even their entire lifecycle as currently 15,000 steam games can run on Linux (7,000 of those are native). Also the good thing with them using an amd gpu is that the drivers will be built into the kernel so users won't have to worry about installing or updating drivers since that will be handled by kernel updates.
Plus it's just a pc i don't even need to buy a standard desktop, just a Monitor, Keyboard and Mouse and i have a full pc experience and functionality. I use Arch already so this is just upgrading to me lol
@@motozappa225 they did say that were going to work on improve proton so the developers don't fly away by thinking they have to port the steam library to Linux 😅
I didn't say it but they also mention to work on the eac and other anti-cheat software for more compatibility, you can see it on the steam deck pre-order page
Boy howdy, I just don’t know if I should take the leap. I’m no dedicated gamer, I just like my silly little anime games, but I don’t love having my Windows Laptop sounding like it’s going to explode and having performance issues when I try to play a visual novel. I think I’d need to game more to justify buying it though
@@johnfranklin2288 He's got a point, though. What has Valve committed to besides Steam itself in the past two decades? Their company structure is so chaotic. Just jumping from project to project, pretty much.
@@Cableguy15 I can understand where you guys are coming from given the track history of the company. But I think this device could overtake the portable handheld market given it's price and specs. The switch already proved a hybrid console could technically work for consumers. It just depends on implementation and software support. Either way the releases of the console of so sparsed out that even if public interest dies out and it goes on sale I doubt the company will be able to sell it at lower cost due to price cuts. The steam deck is just a pro rated steam store for software to recoup investments. If any thing they will just be scrapped into obscurity. I've tried buying older obselete tech and the price actually went higher due to shortages of product. Either way I don't see it being so cheap in the long run.
@@Cableguy15 What I remember is the steam controller, steam link (which I have, but only cause I got it "free", still cost me shipping, with a copy of Icey), and Index. As far as I can tell Index is still hanging in there. Steam link probably failed (the hardware anyway. There a mobile app variant still available), because what it could do wasn't really hard to do in other existing ways that were likely cheaper. And the controller from what I can tell was very polarized. Some people liked it well enough, but I think the biggest issue was the trackpad and lack of a D-pad for people. This Deck seems like a new type of beast entirely. It combines the access PCs have to a wide range of features with the portability of a switch. And, I don't think the video went over this, the thing is supposed to have a purchasable dock later, like the switch. I believe the dock comes with an HDMI port, so you can theoretically just use the thing as your main gaming PC, that you can move between a monitor or tv with far more ease than a traditional tower. It's an ambitious piece of hardware. Far more than their previous endeavors. Now they just have to present results. It could always flop, which is why despite my pseudo-gushing, I'm just cautiously optimistic. But as long as it plays games well and the hardware is relatively durable, I think it'll be a hit. And at least Steam is willing to try new things once in a while, even if they don't all find success.
For some reason youtube is deleting my comments and it's pissing me off. Just wanted to point out how Valve has a bad history with producing then abandoning projects. I preordered the Deck, but I'm fully expecting the same thing that happened to the Machines, Controller, and Link.
This is interesting but I just don't see what market really wants this. Its not competing with Nintendo because of the nature of Nintendo fans, and more high end PC users probably wont jump at it either because it cant compete with their current hardware. If the market is just gonna rely on console users switching sides I don't see this having much of a place. I don't think it'll flop but I feel like it really wont compare with the competition.
I think it's going to be people who want to dip their toes into PC gaming, diehard Valve fans, and PC gamers who want to play some of their games on the go/in bed/on the toilet. Sure that's a collection of somewhat niche audiences but I think all of them combined will be enough to justify it. I know I wouldn't mind getting to play a lot of games from my collection in bed
I think there’s a big audience of PC users that will want this device for playing their library when they’re away from their desktop for a long periods of time. For me, the convenience of just docking this machine to my tv and playing with any kind of controller is more than enough. PC offers you all kinds of freedom you can’t get on consoles so putting all that in the shell of a handheld/console hybrid sounds enticing.
If this was a thing back when I started uni I probably would have got one instead of my shitty old laptop and just plugged it into a monitor for doing work. Doesn't interest me as much now I have a desktop and don't travel back and forth anymore but it's a very interesting product
It was known for a while that nintendo will present something, so valve probably went in expecting to challenge and fight them and just won by existing
Unfortunately, smartphone stores have zero quality control. There is 1 actualy game for every 20 trash cash grab copy cat which really makes annoyed since back when it wasn't the case I had no money to actually pay for good phone games and now that I actually have money I can't find mobile games to buy.
@@suspecm6316 Mobile games tend to be free but most if not all free games are either crap or loaded with microtransactions which is annoying af. I Don't have a good rig for gaming but PC is always a way to go. The only game I play on mobile is Minecraft which for some reason is easier and more fun for me on the go
@@pchris usually the noob systems check and install the modules by themselves but usually when you install the display server they ask you if you want the Intel, AMD or the nvidia workaround module. And funny thing Is It doesn't bluescreen It goes in a tty without the desktop so you can fix it
@@motozappa225 still, going into a TTY rather than silently rebooting the module does feel a bit clunky when we’ve had microkernels with live-loadable kernel extensions for decades. I understand a lot of the reasons why Linux went for the monolithic kernel route but… c’mon.
Mr Whimsu man you can play the newest Switch games on this with the power of the dark evil emulation Yes i know most of the nintendopeople wont bother with the yuzus and the emulators but still you can kind of play switch on it
Of course they bother and even pay for it... wasn't a few months ago a controversy because Nintendo was using known emulators (or roms, I didn't care) as official nostalgia money grabbers?
7:57 Yatzee Crossaw said Half Life 3 could only come out when it could be revolutionary in any way. He was right about that with Half Life Alyx, And I think it would be the perfect commercial bait for the Gabe Boy, As well as showing of all the new buttons.
7:40 This! 100% this! The console manufacturers have been subtracting features and conveniences from us since Gen 8. But people just keep on buying them up. It drives me crazy.
i still find myself trouble shooting the stupidest problems on pc games. but the good part is if there's a glitch you cant live with it can most likely be patched by a third party, developer be dammed. that said YOU KNOW HL3 GONNA BE STEAM EXCLUSIVE, take that cant buy a console a year after launch sony!
I don’t think the switch proved there’s a market for “real” games on the go, I think it proved there’s a market for Nintendo first party titles. The switch just happens to be portable as well. I don’t see the steam deck doing well. It might do just well enough to stick around, but I doubt it’ll be a real contender in the console wars.
@@dudesupreme191 true, second party companies are working on it too... but you can count third party Switcg games with one hand, so technically, the Switch is maintained almost entirely by Nintendo games, specially Zelda, Pokémon and Mario.
@@dudesupreme191 Whereas it's been true that third party games account for a meaningful percentage of sales in Nintendo consoles throughout the years, I don't think you can just look at raw sales numbers and say Nintendo's first party games aren't a huge driving force in their success. Even if second and third party games sell more overall, are they the reason why someone is buying Nintendo over another system? Plus, there's really no case to be made for a "myth" when talking about the Switch. Six out of the top ten best sellers are Nintendo titles, the other ones are Super Smash Bros, Super Mario Party, and two Pokemon games. Mario and the gang are system sellers, provided the system isn't too Nintendo-ey to be appealing to the masses. The first party games get people in the door, the other games are more important with regards to extending the life cycle. That could be interpreted as "carrying" but you can only keep momentum if you have it in the first place. Even Nintendo's console flops have sales numbers that outrank any other competitor that isn't named Sony, Microsoft, or once upon a time, Sega and Atari. That's definitely not because people find a lot of value in playing the latest version of Madden with whatever strange controller Nintendo is throwing out that generation.
I'm just glad it has a lot of ram, also it's kind of weird that they first said the storage wasn't ugradeable but later said it does have an m.2 slot, were they afraid of being criticized?
I just want to know how good can it handle high end games. Obviously Cyberpunk won't be playable. I have a feeling games from the early 2010s will be its limit.
The Deck has 2 teraflops, which is more than what the ps4/xbox one has. So, yeah, maybe it will run at 30 fps at 720p, which is completely fine on that screen.
Microsoft is for real the last company that should be afraid of the Deck. It is a pc and so you can have the gamepass or any other store. You can even install windows.
In this way you dont get the full advantage of the thing. Windows Is too bloated and heavy Just on the technical standpoint. You can always spin up a VM for like the 3 games that will not run or for the gamepass
@@motozappa225 You do not have to install windows for the game pass. Valve said that even though the OS is based off Linux, every game that requires Windows will run, I don't know how frankly.
@@blakedake19 Its an library called Proton that does windows level kernel emulation with direct x library, not all games run well, some need some fancy specs, but a lot of games do, but i haven't seen some older games running(talking about year 2000 old), so if you want that full library, windows still does it. Also i'm pretty sure that the AMD APU is more than capable of running windows 10/11 without problems, the thing is, people doenst know how well the APU will handle big triple A games.
I do think that the idea of a less expensive gaming PC for people with too low income for regular hardcore pc gaming is a great idea, I just accidentally broke my laptop screen recently. Even the latest next gen gaming laptops of today will cost over $1000 dollars, so I like Steam's vision, it's a lot more revolutionary than you think.
The reason why I reserved a Steam deck was the fact that it's a linux machine with an incredible amount of input options. That means that it'll probably be able to run retroarch right out of the box with two analog sticks, eight trigger buttons, a D pad, four more front buttons, two clicking touchpads, and a touchscreen. That's an absolutely insane amount of ways to map older games onto the hardware. The thing will probably be an emulation beast, and if it's successful enough, we could probably see emulation devs working to make games work best on the system.
This is the first console in awhile that i've been actually excited for. Being able to lay my steam games (especially RTS games) on a handheld has been a dream of mine for a couple decades now.
Yep, I realized while owning my PS4 how very similar to a PC it really was. I skipped getting a PS5/Xbox whatever and went to PC gaming...and got a Switch Lite for when I want to go on the go (mostly for 3rd party games)- to be fair, I didn't know this portable steam device was going to be a thing.
Image, Steam Console - With a powerful custom APU like the ones on Series X and PS5 - With the power of a PC! - "Small" form factor - And "cheap" (sub $1000, +-750)
"Yes my hot take is a $3,000 pc is going to run better than your PS5" Clever, lol. Ha! I wish my shit only cost $3,000. With this generations 3090 water cooling is pretty much a must if you wish to get your money's worth out of the card, or at least game for more than half an hour.
I haven't cared for consoles in generations. I only have a PS4 because it was basically given to me This is super neat though Most of my gaming is done handheld with my Vita, I use an 07 iMac with an HDD still so even using this docked as a PC would be an upgrade
I'm just happy that the difference between PC and console isn't so massive anymore. I don't know enough about PC gaming, but I find it really dumb there aren't any really good pre built options.
Looking how relatively easy is emulating a Switch on PC and if the Gabe Boy has enough power and freedom in its system, then Nintendo would be going to the courts before you can say "it's a me, Mario"... specially if modern systems are really x86-x64 architectures with some modifications (a good response of why porting games got more efficient in recent years).
@@Jason28364 Softcobra & NXBrew for Switch games. r/Roms has a megathread for roms as well; A wall of words but worth it. Emuparadise with the workaround scrpit is also good for games before the Seventh generations of consoles.
If they nick name it "The Gabe Boy" and they have HL3 on it as an exclusive. Like it only runs on that thing I'd bet they'd struck gold in sales or at least become such a big meme that they won't need to invest in marketing.
Id really love if this helps push linux. I dont use linux because every single program i regularly use doesnt work on it, but if the steam deck legitimizes it a bit more itll hopefully help to push more companies to make thier stuff work on linux AND maybe someday in the future we won't need shitty bloated spyware windows anymore.
The problem is most of the potential gamers wouldn't be using its Linux feature, so the system boost would be marginal. The truth about Linux is its market is too spread and specialized that most of the software must be recompiled for every distro, something people would be too lazy to learn (man, I'm a software developer and I'm too lazy to use a Linux OS on my personal laptop).
Mrlsp has it right, Linux will always be a bit vague to most users. But it will expose people to it. There's always gonna be that barrier of people who won't try to build a program themselves. The reality is if you can figure it out, there are some more open source programs that become entirely free when you do. It was mentioned the screen was touch as well, which does technically mean that if programs can be accessed out of docked mode, this does have potential to act as a true mobile PC with touch functionality, which, outside of mobile phones (which are extremely closed source, as much as android says its open) is really one of the first to actually be mainstream in any capacity. It'll take some serious users to realize that, but it may inspire some people to start seeing dockable phones as a thing. It could theoretically revolutionize the mobile PC market again.
Remember that this thing run an Arch derivative which means that It has access to the Arch repos to and extent and the AUR, literally where all the new software comes first and all packages in binaries (or source than you can build if you so choose) plus you even got alternative packaging cross distro formats like Flatpacks
I think the only problem steam deck have is: DRM, i want to play portable games without connection, wich it seens you cant on steam... Also, i told my friend that not making Xbox series X having a slot for windows on SSD was a mistake, Valve is going to prove my point.
Microsoft would be selling an Xbox Series W (for Windows), they can do it without problem, but I bet they would be competing not only against Sony, but also with their hardware clients (ASUS, MSI, Lenovo and others). Xbox isn't their real market, but software, it's better for them if the average gamer have an Xbox and a desktop/laptop for work.
I hate that I bought a switch like a year ago maybe 2 at this point and they just added BLUETOOTH like I still remember at one point literally holding my switch lite and googling how to connect my earbuds only to find out I couldn't like wtf and now after 3 fucking years or so they're just like oh yea here's Bluetooth like whattttt the fuckkkkkk
I almost never play my switch not that it's bad I'm just adhd but even then I still think I would have been happier with anything remotely like what everyone thinks this steam deck thing will be like. I wish I had bought a ds instead and hacked it to be completely honest at this point now tht DS has been officially ended
I'm excited because I've recently gone a lot more mobile with my work and the switch has been a godsend for that but as I was looking into PCs and stuff this came into my existence that I pre-ordered it as soon as I could. Give me the variety. I like it
@@ItsKagiVids Yes but it's not default. They are improving Linux for gaming and making it the default OS on the deck. I think most people who use the deck will probably be using the default Linux os if it turns out to be decent which means developers may make their games specifically work with Linux just to cater to that crowd hence weakening Window's strangle hold on PC gaming
PCs beat consoles on price if you get equal specs. Crazy people like me who are spending $3,000 or more are paying for quality far beyond what consoles do.
Just got my Gabe Boy yesterday. Thirteen year badge and 250+ game badge on steam. So this is great for me. Ironically... I'm knee deep in the yakuza jrpg game on Xbox game pass right now. So I haven't done anything but login on the Deck. 🤣
I have a reasonable mid-range or better gaming PC (RTX 2060 Super, i7-4790, 16gigs ram) and I have a Steam Deck pre-ordered as well. I like the idea of having something I can use on the go that's smaller and cheaper than a gaming laptop. I like not being locked into one companies store or at their mercy for updates.
I'm positive. Valve has been experimenting with hardware for a decade now, and their last couple of entries are, as I hear it, decent devices. I also think the potential for Valve and other PC gaming companies is too great to dare to deliver a bad product right now, with the Switch being the only real competition and the Deck's position to show the market PC gaming can be done in your morning commute about as easily. Needless to say, I put that deposit down.
"A 3000 dollar pc is better than a ps5" or a 500 dollar one and you get practitly all of Microsoft's libary any Nintendo game from 1-2 consle gens ago (fuck them they dont even sell the games) 90% of mobas and so much more. I hate when people under sell the amount games you keep yourself from experiencing when you dont have even a mediorcore pc that was built 1-2 gens ago. Like it is almost incomprehensible
I feel like it’s been much the same paradigm for so long with gaming, and we’re about to see some massive shifts in the near future. Will it be cloud streaming with xcloud/stadia/etc? Massive PC libraries viable on consoles? The “old” guard consoles with the new gen xbox/ps5? Will Nintendo’s IPs circumvent all of that again? Or maybe there’s enough room in the market now for all of that to thrive at once? Can’t say for sure, but it feels like a storm’s a-comin’.
microsoft always been Valve's target. valve is not to bring a alternative to switch valve is trying to bring a alternative to windows the relationship between Microsoft and anyone that makes anything windows related always been nasty co-dependency polygamous marriage, and that includes both Valve and PC makers steam machines was supposed to be the wifes emancipation from abusive drunken husband lead by Valve, but they all got cold feet at the last second. but valve went: if ya ain't gonna do it, I'm gonna do it myself!. thus steam deck
The current PC I use was alright when I built it, but as technology moves forward, and my computer doesn't, I find that I have less and less to play due to a lack of availability on my increasingly potato'd machine. Assuming this thing lives up to the promise of playing most, if not all, modern games decently, I see it as a very enticing choice of an upgrade instead of spending probably twice as much or more on a new rig.
Why now? Proton. Proton allows them to skip Windows without getting killed by the ultimate network effect - where all of teh games are on Windows (~only)!
I predict there's a lot of people out there who would definitely want to play PC games on the go. Nintendo's library is extremely limited compared to Valve's, so they're gonna bet on that. And given this handheld is cheaper than a lot of windows tablets of its calibre, it would probably eat a share of that market too.
"Gabe Boy"
How is this the first time I've heard this joke?
I don't know, but I'm calling it "Gabe Boy" no matter how they call it now... just like Baby Yoda...
Personally, I'm more of a Gabe Gear guy
gabe gear is more accurate
If you say it out loud, it sounds like Gay Boy.
I think the main appeal is being able to play all your steam games on the go
I hope to God this doesn't flop, consoles can never beat the massive library of pc
But now you can have the mobility of a switch (for a time before the battery dies) and a full power PC/laptop that can play some of the best and newest games and then use it like a you would a computer! Nintendo now is losing the mobility and now relying on exclusive games on there platform, and Nintendo is not going to make a switch with windows on it.
It may flop, PC gaming community has become very salty when closed systems are mentioned... I still can read some backlash because instead of a desktop, I bought a gaming laptop (a G752vs when the GeForce 10 series was new)... and I can play any game in mid-high specs, even at 2160p (but sadly, I can't make it work in HDR properly). No imagine a handheld device from a community that's always complaining about phone games aren't "real videogames".
honestly, the bar is so low right now all they have to do is make sure that scalpers don't steal all of their stock on day one and they win
@@dont_i_know4858 I just read Yong Yeah's thumbnail about scalpers being removed from eBay, so...
@@MrlspPrt it's not closed system though, you can put other operating systems on it if you like
I am hoping for the Steam Deck to be a solid success so that more devs are aware of Linux as a gaming platform and that could helps losen Microsoft's grip on PC gaming as a whole.
Same
the integrated windows emulation inside steam can already run many games
honestly if they get Proton working at close enough to native Windows performance, then I'll happily uninstall Windows from my PC and go full Linux. Last time I upgraded my laptop and was FORCED to sign in with a Microsoft account or else have my device essentially bricked I decided that enough was enough
That and help the console peasents become GODS!!!!
steam deck will be the switch pro. It will probably be more than capable to emulate wii U
This video will either age really well or really horribly
I'll be waiting a video about how Cody's predictions about this console aged.
@@MrlspPrt
Yknow, I’d love to see an Alternate History Hub vid in the next few years titled “What if my brother never caused the collapse of console gaming?”
I’ll see y’all when this console becomes a major success or a flop, lol
Hopefully the latter.
The way Valve employees are free to just come and go between projects they find more/less interesting makes me wonder for the future of the Steamboy. It would be bad if this became the new TF2. But then, if I already have a decent PC, do I really "need" this?
@@mikkelens true, but if you own a gaming laptop, probably already own a car, so "transit" probably means "driving", and airplane/bus travels mean you already bring the charger with you. One of th the last times I made a long travel, my bus had a charger, so I don't think it's very problematic because I live in México, so developed countries should've been better with transport services... I hope.
To be honest, I'm afraid of taking my gaming laptop to the bus, in my country is very dangerous bring even your phone 😖
Not sure, but I believe somewhere around hl:alyx launch some interview suggested that they were working with a more "normal" setting now and in a higher commitment environment.
@@yohei2k Yeah, you can take that approach with software if you have valve money, but I guarantee you that their approach is at least a little different when it comes to hardware. You have partners, minimum buy orders, software devs making kernel/driver stuff, etc. If people leave the project it jams the entire line up and pisses off their suppliers.
if I recall didnt they kinda stop or cut down on people switching around on projects once they started really getting into HL:Alyx due to realizing how little they were getting done otherwise. Like look at all the stuff that died while they were doing that.
i'm pretty sure this is for the crowd that has been content with their pc/console but wants something more in regards to portability. of course, if portability isn't anything you're looking at, then it's probably not going to suit your needs. however, if the switch is leaving something to be desired, which is the case for me, then this is prefect. plus, you can actually probably play wind waker, oot and whatever other classic zelda games you want to on the steam deck, unlike the switch.
Can’t wait to play a good ole game of Victoria 3 while on the shitter! 10/10 already reserved one
Now I can commit genocide on the go!
Beside the Joke. It would be quit interessting, if they would ported the game to the Steam Deck. Stellaris semi works on console (doesn't had a PC for a long time and than switch in the past year to the Master Race). So heck, let you be surprised by Paradox in they DLC flood for Vic3
Victoria 3: Shart of Darkness
You've just sold me on the Steam Deck. I want to be a porcelain general.
Remember when “PC Gaming is Dead/Dying/Doomer?” Lmao
I think the turning point from my memory was around the time DayZ Mod first got popular. Then was around when I stopped hearing doom & gloom about PC gaming, and it’s blown tf up ever since
PC Gaming x Bitcoin, who dies more?
Reminds me of VR when people were saying that was dying
I still remember when publishers like EA said that pc and console gaming will die and Mobile is the future.
Their version of steam os is most likely not going to be very different from desktop linux (looking at screenshots of it connected to an external monitor), it is a modified version of Arch with KDE as their desktop environment, proton already exists built into the steam client for desktop linux, it is more likely Valve will just increase the proton compatibility and is already working with developers to make anti-cheat compatible with Linux. It is important to remember that even without the entire windows library, it can still boast about having a larger library than all consoles on release and even their entire lifecycle as currently 15,000 steam games can run on Linux (7,000 of those are native). Also the good thing with them using an amd gpu is that the drivers will be built into the kernel so users won't have to worry about installing or updating drivers since that will be handled by kernel updates.
Plus it's just a pc i don't even need to buy a standard desktop, just a Monitor, Keyboard and Mouse and i have a full pc experience and functionality. I use Arch already so this is just upgrading to me lol
Of course we all are hoping to see improvements on the anti-cheat of Linux
@@newstuffnsf5265 they said they will work with eac and battleye prior to releasing the device didn't they?
@@motozappa225 they did say that were going to work on improve proton so the developers don't fly away by thinking they have to port the steam library to Linux 😅
I didn't say it but they also mention to work on the eac and other anti-cheat software for more compatibility, you can see it on the steam deck pre-order page
Soon anyone with the steam deck will be able to say "I use arch btw"
Im glad it comes out.
That means I don't have to rebuy all my indie games for my Switch if I want to play them on the go.
yeah just buy a 400 dollar handheld which will probably be like 600 dollars
@@AlluringPegasu13 my steam library is worth more than 400
@@YatzeeWillWearAGreenHat ok nice
Waiting for The GabeBoy Color
And for the GabeBoy Advance
Boy howdy, I just don’t know if I should take the leap. I’m no dedicated gamer, I just like my silly little anime games, but I don’t love having my Windows Laptop sounding like it’s going to explode and having performance issues when I try to play a visual novel. I think I’d need to game more to justify buying it though
We need to do everything in our power to make the Gabe Boy the official name of the Steam Deck. Everyone start the petition and hashtags
That's why Change (dot) Org was invented.
getting this going via youtube won’t work. You need the soldiers of reddit/4chan/8chan/8kun to really get it off the ground.
Can’t wait for valve to abandon it so I can get it for 5 dollars when valve is trying to get rid of surplus ones
Current trends has it selling and delivering into 2022 on back orders. So your gonna be waiting a long time
@@johnfranklin2288 He's got a point, though. What has Valve committed to besides Steam itself in the past two decades? Their company structure is so chaotic. Just jumping from project to project, pretty much.
@@Cableguy15 I can understand where you guys are coming from given the track history of the company. But I think this device could overtake the portable handheld market given it's price and specs. The switch already proved a hybrid console could technically work for consumers. It just depends on implementation and software support. Either way the releases of the console of so sparsed out that even if public interest dies out and it goes on sale I doubt the company will be able to sell it at lower cost due to price cuts. The steam deck is just a pro rated steam store for software to recoup investments. If any thing they will just be scrapped into obscurity. I've tried buying older obselete tech and the price actually went higher due to shortages of product. Either way I don't see it being so cheap in the long run.
@@Cableguy15 What I remember is the steam controller, steam link (which I have, but only cause I got it "free", still cost me shipping, with a copy of Icey), and Index. As far as I can tell Index is still hanging in there. Steam link probably failed (the hardware anyway. There a mobile app variant still available), because what it could do wasn't really hard to do in other existing ways that were likely cheaper. And the controller from what I can tell was very polarized. Some people liked it well enough, but I think the biggest issue was the trackpad and lack of a D-pad for people.
This Deck seems like a new type of beast entirely. It combines the access PCs have to a wide range of features with the portability of a switch. And, I don't think the video went over this, the thing is supposed to have a purchasable dock later, like the switch. I believe the dock comes with an HDMI port, so you can theoretically just use the thing as your main gaming PC, that you can move between a monitor or tv with far more ease than a traditional tower. It's an ambitious piece of hardware. Far more than their previous endeavors. Now they just have to present results. It could always flop, which is why despite my pseudo-gushing, I'm just cautiously optimistic. But as long as it plays games well and the hardware is relatively durable, I think it'll be a hit. And at least Steam is willing to try new things once in a while, even if they don't all find success.
I’m still kind of annoyed that I didn’t get a Steam Controller for cheap, even though I prefer using JoyCons and DualShock4s over Bluetooth anyway.
For some reason youtube is deleting my comments and it's pissing me off. Just wanted to point out how Valve has a bad history with producing then abandoning projects. I preordered the Deck, but I'm fully expecting the same thing that happened to the Machines, Controller, and Link.
“Wouldn’t it be wacky if half life 3 was steam OS exclusive?” 😳😳😳
Half-life being Linux exclusive would be so wild lol
nah, half-life 3 already exists and is a steamVR exclusive
This is interesting but I just don't see what market really wants this. Its not competing with Nintendo because of the nature of Nintendo fans, and more high end PC users probably wont jump at it either because it cant compete with their current hardware. If the market is just gonna rely on console users switching sides I don't see this having much of a place. I don't think it'll flop but I feel like it really wont compare with the competition.
I think it's going to be people who want to dip their toes into PC gaming, diehard Valve fans, and PC gamers who want to play some of their games on the go/in bed/on the toilet. Sure that's a collection of somewhat niche audiences but I think all of them combined will be enough to justify it. I know I wouldn't mind getting to play a lot of games from my collection in bed
I think there’s a big audience of PC users that will want this device for playing their library when they’re away from their desktop for a long periods of time. For me, the convenience of just docking this machine to my tv and playing with any kind of controller is more than enough. PC offers you all kinds of freedom you can’t get on consoles so putting all that in the shell of a handheld/console hybrid sounds enticing.
If this was a thing back when I started uni I probably would have got one instead of my shitty old laptop and just plugged it into a monitor for doing work. Doesn't interest me as much now I have a desktop and don't travel back and forth anymore but it's a very interesting product
it's funny how this came on the heels of the Switch OLED "disappointment" - almost like it was planned from the start
It was known for a while that nintendo will present something, so valve probably went in expecting to challenge and fight them and just won by existing
Possibly slaughtered them
idk its nice to see that dedicated handhelds still have an audience, even after smartphones tore into that market share
smartphone mobile gaming is an amalgamation of really bleh stuff. No normal person could ever make larger scale games for it.
@@AshnSilvercorp Smartphone is not only about mobile games, it's for emulation as well
Unfortunately, smartphone stores have zero quality control. There is 1 actualy game for every 20 trash cash grab copy cat which really makes annoyed since back when it wasn't the case I had no money to actually pay for good phone games and now that I actually have money I can't find mobile games to buy.
@@suspecm6316 Mobile games tend to be free but most if not all free games are either crap or loaded with microtransactions which is annoying af. I Don't have a good rig for gaming but PC is always a way to go. The only game I play on mobile is Minecraft which for some reason is easier and more fun for me on the go
I remember when consoles used to be put in a disc and go. Now you are just better off with a PC. I miss simple things.
You forgot to consider the fact you can emulate almost all Nintendo games because a lot of the emulators run on linux
Well, I don't know if I'd say no more driver issues with my gaming laptop...
This runs Linux so all the drivers are baked into the kernel babeyyy
@@motozappa225 Doesn't that mean if the driver has an issue then the whole system "blue screens"? (or whatever the equivalent for linux might be)
@@pchris usually the noob systems check and install the modules by themselves but usually when you install the display server they ask you if you want the Intel, AMD or the nvidia workaround module. And funny thing Is It doesn't bluescreen It goes in a tty without the desktop so you can fix it
@@motozappa225 still, going into a TTY rather than silently rebooting the module does feel a bit clunky when we’ve had microkernels with live-loadable kernel extensions for decades. I understand a lot of the reasons why Linux went for the monolithic kernel route but… c’mon.
Mr Whimsu man you can play the newest Switch games on this with the power of the dark evil emulation
Yes i know most of the nintendopeople wont bother with the yuzus and the emulators but still you can kind of play switch on it
Of course they bother and even pay for it... wasn't a few months ago a controversy because Nintendo was using known emulators (or roms, I didn't care) as official nostalgia money grabbers?
7:57
Yatzee Crossaw said Half Life 3 could only come out when it could be revolutionary in any way.
He was right about that with Half Life Alyx,
And I think it would be the perfect commercial bait for the Gabe Boy,
As well as showing of all the new buttons.
Hey! It looks like I. Early for once. While I’m here, how are you, whimsu?
slightly sleepy
@@Whimsu I thought you were always like that.
Steamdeck success will probably mean that more devs will start giving a shit about PC ports.
7:40 This! 100% this! The console manufacturers have been subtracting features and conveniences from us since Gen 8. But people just keep on buying them up. It drives me crazy.
Steam Deck : "Im a handheld Console"
Nintendo : "I'm Jealous "
Steam Deck "Im a handheld PC"
OneXPlayer "Hold my beer.."
I literally learned about this a few days back when my old ass gaming rig finally gives up the ghost I'll have to try this thing
i still find myself trouble shooting the stupidest problems on pc games. but the good part is if there's a glitch you cant live with it can most likely be patched by a third party, developer be dammed. that said YOU KNOW HL3 GONNA BE STEAM EXCLUSIVE, take that cant buy a console a year after launch sony!
Sounds like a real portable PC instead of a gaming laptop.
Random kid: "Will you release games on console?"
GabeN: "Well no, but actually yes"
Hey Tyler from Whimsuhub. How do you like your steamdeck now that you have it?
It wont touch switch sales I promise you. Nintendo has literally won every single handheld generation. Gameboy, gba, DS, 3ds, and now switch.
You joke but remember Half-Life Alyx is VR exclusive.
I don’t think the switch proved there’s a market for “real” games on the go, I think it proved there’s a market for Nintendo first party titles. The switch just happens to be portable as well.
I don’t see the steam deck doing well. It might do just well enough to stick around, but I doubt it’ll be a real contender in the console wars.
Nintendo first party carrying consoles sales momentum is a myth.
@@dudesupreme191 true, second party companies are working on it too... but you can count third party Switcg games with one hand, so technically, the Switch is maintained almost entirely by Nintendo games, specially Zelda, Pokémon and Mario.
@@dudesupreme191 Whereas it's been true that third party games account for a meaningful percentage of sales in Nintendo consoles throughout the years, I don't think you can just look at raw sales numbers and say Nintendo's first party games aren't a huge driving force in their success. Even if second and third party games sell more overall, are they the reason why someone is buying Nintendo over another system? Plus, there's really no case to be made for a "myth" when talking about the Switch. Six out of the top ten best sellers are Nintendo titles, the other ones are Super Smash Bros, Super Mario Party, and two Pokemon games.
Mario and the gang are system sellers, provided the system isn't too Nintendo-ey to be appealing to the masses. The first party games get people in the door, the other games are more important with regards to extending the life cycle. That could be interpreted as "carrying" but you can only keep momentum if you have it in the first place. Even Nintendo's console flops have sales numbers that outrank any other competitor that isn't named Sony, Microsoft, or once upon a time, Sega and Atari. That's definitely not because people find a lot of value in playing the latest version of Madden with whatever strange controller Nintendo is throwing out that generation.
I'm just glad it has a lot of ram, also it's kind of weird that they first said the storage wasn't ugradeable but later said it does have an m.2 slot, were they afraid of being criticized?
It's because the SSD that fit in the slot aren't widely consumer available and they recommend against upgrading it yourself.
@@aftonstjarna4530 why not say that in the first place?
half life 3 exclusive to steam os might just break the internet lmao
I just want to know how good can it handle high end games. Obviously Cyberpunk won't be playable. I have a feeling games from the early 2010s will be its limit.
Oh god its gonna fucking melt trying to run my 2000+ custom asset C:S Savefile😅
The Deck has 2 teraflops, which is more than what the ps4/xbox one has. So, yeah, maybe it will run at 30 fps at 720p, which is completely fine on that screen.
Mutahar (SomeordinaryGamers) simulated Cyberpunk on an offbrand portable PC just like the Deck at 720p 30fps mostly fine.
@@blakedake19
Eww... What kind of savage is able to play a game at 720p?
@@darken2417 On a 7 inch screen, that's duable. I mean, Cyberpunk on the ps4 has the output at 720p and then is upscaled to 1080p.
Microsoft is for real the last company that should be afraid of the Deck. It is a pc and so you can have the gamepass or any other store. You can even install windows.
In this way you dont get the full advantage of the thing. Windows Is too bloated and heavy Just on the technical standpoint. You can always spin up a VM for like the 3 games that will not run or for the gamepass
@@motozappa225 I am legitimately waiting for Mutahar to Virtual Box Windows on it.
@@AshnSilvercorp it's not Rocket science bro you can do it
@@motozappa225 You do not have to install windows for the game pass. Valve said that even though the OS is based off Linux, every game that requires Windows will run, I don't know how frankly.
@@blakedake19 Its an library called Proton that does windows level kernel emulation with direct x library, not all games run well, some need some fancy specs, but a lot of games do, but i haven't seen some older games running(talking about year 2000 old), so if you want that full library, windows still does it.
Also i'm pretty sure that the AMD APU is more than capable of running windows 10/11 without problems, the thing is, people doenst know how well the APU will handle big triple A games.
I do think that the idea of a less expensive gaming PC for people with too low income for regular hardcore pc gaming is a great idea, I just accidentally broke my laptop screen recently. Even the latest next gen gaming laptops of today will cost over $1000 dollars, so I like Steam's vision, it's a lot more revolutionary than you think.
The reason why I reserved a Steam deck was the fact that it's a linux machine with an incredible amount of input options. That means that it'll probably be able to run retroarch right out of the box with two analog sticks, eight trigger buttons, a D pad, four more front buttons, two clicking touchpads, and a touchscreen. That's an absolutely insane amount of ways to map older games onto the hardware. The thing will probably be an emulation beast, and if it's successful enough, we could probably see emulation devs working to make games work best on the system.
This is the first console in awhile that i've been actually excited for. Being able to lay my steam games (especially RTS games) on a handheld has been a dream of mine for a couple decades now.
It reminds me of what the Nvidia shield wanted to be
Yep, I realized while owning my PS4 how very similar to a PC it really was. I skipped getting a PS5/Xbox whatever and went to PC gaming...and got a Switch Lite for when I want to go on the go (mostly for 3rd party games)- to be fair, I didn't know this portable steam device was going to be a thing.
Image, Steam Console
- With a powerful custom APU like the ones on Series X and PS5
- With the power of a PC!
- "Small" form factor
- And "cheap" (sub $1000, +-750)
Imagine all the handhelds Valve could sell If Have-Life 3 was an exclusive....millions$!!!! I couldn't give Valve my money fast enough..
That'd be the funniest fucking thing. "If you wanna play Half-Life 3 you need to buy a Steam Deck. Or just install Linux...".
"Yes my hot take is a $3,000 pc is going to run better than your PS5" Clever, lol. Ha! I wish my shit only cost $3,000. With this generations 3090 water cooling is pretty much a must if you wish to get your money's worth out of the card, or at least game for more than half an hour.
I haven't cared for consoles in generations. I only have a PS4 because it was basically given to me
This is super neat though
Most of my gaming is done handheld with my Vita, I use an 07 iMac with an HDD still so even using this docked as a PC would be an upgrade
I'm just happy that the difference between PC and console isn't so massive anymore. I don't know enough about PC gaming, but I find it really dumb there aren't any really good pre built options.
One of the best videos I’ve seen on the topic wow
I keep wanting to call it, *The Steam Box,* but that's way too 420 friendly 🧐🥦🔥
I’m watching this in a steam deck rn
On*
I really want this. Too bad I just bought a bunch of hardware before this dropped, and don't have enough money...
At this point, Half Life 3 could steal my credit cards and delete all my kernel modules and I'd still be happy it released.
Imagine playing factorio while taking a shit.
Blessed.
My steam deck is the most amazing thing ever and I got the cheapest one
Yes its amazing
Portal 3 SteamOS Exclusive confirmed.
Looking how relatively easy is emulating a Switch on PC and if the Gabe Boy has enough power and freedom in its system, then Nintendo would be going to the courts before you can say "it's a me, Mario"... specially if modern systems are really x86-x64 architectures with some modifications (a good response of why porting games got more efficient in recent years).
Emulation for switch is easy but finding roms is a pain
@@Jason28364 Yeah it can be a pain but once you find a trustworthy place to obtain them, it's a smooth experience.
@@blissfulzane715 do you know any good place to find them?
@@Jason28364 I've seen torrent uploaders who released some... I don't know if those are roms or complete self-contained emulators (didn't tested any).
@@Jason28364 Softcobra & NXBrew for Switch games. r/Roms has a megathread for roms as well; A wall of words but worth it.
Emuparadise with the workaround scrpit is also good for games before the Seventh generations of consoles.
7:56 don't give them any idea
Alternative history/ knowledge hub?
It’s going to be supported for about a year then it’s going to get radio silence
Why even have a Switch when you can use the Steam Deck to emulate Switch games?
If they nick name it "The Gabe Boy" and they have HL3 on it as an exclusive. Like it only runs on that thing I'd bet they'd struck gold in sales or at least become such a big meme that they won't need to invest in marketing.
Id really love if this helps push linux.
I dont use linux because every single program i regularly use doesnt work on it, but if the steam deck legitimizes it a bit more itll hopefully help to push more companies to make thier stuff work on linux AND maybe someday in the future we won't need shitty bloated spyware windows anymore.
The problem is most of the potential gamers wouldn't be using its Linux feature, so the system boost would be marginal. The truth about Linux is its market is too spread and specialized that most of the software must be recompiled for every distro, something people would be too lazy to learn (man, I'm a software developer and I'm too lazy to use a Linux OS on my personal laptop).
Mrlsp has it right, Linux will always be a bit vague to most users. But it will expose people to it.
There's always gonna be that barrier of people who won't try to build a program themselves. The reality is if you can figure it out, there are some more open source programs that become entirely free when you do. It was mentioned the screen was touch as well, which does technically mean that if programs can be accessed out of docked mode, this does have potential to act as a true mobile PC with touch functionality, which, outside of mobile phones (which are extremely closed source, as much as android says its open) is really one of the first to actually be mainstream in any capacity.
It'll take some serious users to realize that, but it may inspire some people to start seeing dockable phones as a thing. It could theoretically revolutionize the mobile PC market again.
Remember that this thing run an Arch derivative which means that It has access to the Arch repos to and extent and the AUR, literally where all the new software comes first and all packages in binaries (or source than you can build if you so choose) plus you even got alternative packaging cross distro formats like Flatpacks
If not for the shortage, you could actually build a 1080p 60fps minimum pc for the price of the Steam Deck.
to be fair a £3000 gaming rig will be better than the ps6.
I think the only problem steam deck have is: DRM, i want to play portable games without connection, wich it seens you cant on steam...
Also, i told my friend that not making Xbox series X having a slot for windows on SSD was a mistake, Valve is going to prove my point.
Microsoft would be selling an Xbox Series W (for Windows), they can do it without problem, but I bet they would be competing not only against Sony, but also with their hardware clients (ASUS, MSI, Lenovo and others). Xbox isn't their real market, but software, it's better for them if the average gamer have an Xbox and a desktop/laptop for work.
I hate that I bought a switch like a year ago maybe 2 at this point and they just added BLUETOOTH like I still remember at one point literally holding my switch lite and googling how to connect my earbuds only to find out I couldn't like wtf and now after 3 fucking years or so they're just like oh yea here's Bluetooth like whattttt the fuckkkkkk
I almost never play my switch not that it's bad I'm just adhd but even then I still think I would have been happier with anything remotely like what everyone thinks this steam deck thing will be like. I wish I had bought a ds instead and hacked it to be completely honest at this point now tht DS has been officially ended
Did you make the outro song? It's amazing wanna listen to it at full
THEY WILL POSSIBLY INTIGRATE THIS INTO VR SOMEHOW
Fine I watched your other channel now leave me alone
It’s going to launch with half-life 3
I'm excited because I've recently gone a lot more mobile with my work and the switch has been a godsend for that but as I was looking into PCs and stuff this came into my existence that I pre-ordered it as soon as I could.
Give me the variety. I like it
I like this thing. It's at a reasonable price point. That's the main thing that's kept me away from a PC.
Better than a switch so I'm down.
I absolutely adore this "Game Jesus" look Gabe is rocking rn
"And saw Game Jesus awful prices for console games across the land"
Honest thanks for the reminder on knowledgehub
Half Life 3 confirmed.
Nintendo: Finally, PlayStation left the handheld market! We own it now!
Valve: *Allow me to introduce myself*
Nintendo will still own the global market. Steam Deck won't be available in most of the world, basically it's just for North America.
@@Diwasho and Europe
Nah, they aren't gonna put _Half-Life 3_ on this thing, but they are gonna release _Ricochet 2_ on it as a day-one exclusive.
They aren't gonna pull Half-Life 3, period.
The real reason Microsoft should be shaking in their boots is that Valve is trying to take Windows out of the equation for gaming.
Uhhh WTF are you talking about the Steam Deck can install Windows lol.
@@ItsKagiVids Yes but it's not default. They are improving Linux for gaming and making it the default OS on the deck. I think most people who use the deck will probably be using the default Linux os if it turns out to be decent which means developers may make their games specifically work with Linux just to cater to that crowd hence weakening Window's strangle hold on PC gaming
PCs beat consoles on price if you get equal specs.
Crazy people like me who are spending $3,000 or more are paying for quality far beyond what consoles do.
HL3 being a SteamOS exclusive would be the push I need to leave steam forever for like... I don't know... The epic store? Uplay? Ugh.
Just got my Gabe Boy yesterday. Thirteen year badge and 250+ game badge on steam. So this is great for me.
Ironically...
I'm knee deep in the yakuza jrpg game on Xbox game pass right now. So I haven't done anything but login on the Deck. 🤣
I have a reasonable mid-range or better gaming PC (RTX 2060 Super, i7-4790, 16gigs ram) and I have a Steam Deck pre-ordered as well.
I like the idea of having something I can use on the go that's smaller and cheaper than a gaming laptop. I like not being locked into one companies store or at their mercy for updates.
dude the first half of that outro song sounds straight out of hypnospace
I'm positive. Valve has been experimenting with hardware for a decade now, and their last couple of entries are, as I hear it, decent devices. I also think the potential for Valve and other PC gaming companies is too great to dare to deliver a bad product right now, with the Switch being the only real competition and the Deck's position to show the market PC gaming can be done in your morning commute about as easily. Needless to say, I put that deposit down.
"A 3000 dollar pc is better than a ps5" or a 500 dollar one and you get practitly all of Microsoft's libary any Nintendo game from 1-2 consle gens ago (fuck them they dont even sell the games) 90% of mobas and so much more. I hate when people under sell the amount games you keep yourself from experiencing when you dont have even a mediorcore pc that was built 1-2 gens ago. Like it is almost incomprehensible
I feel like it’s been much the same paradigm for so long with gaming, and we’re about to see some massive shifts in the near future. Will it be cloud streaming with xcloud/stadia/etc? Massive PC libraries viable on consoles? The “old” guard consoles with the new gen xbox/ps5? Will Nintendo’s IPs circumvent all of that again? Or maybe there’s enough room in the market now for all of that to thrive at once? Can’t say for sure, but it feels like a storm’s a-comin’.
Thanks for the visual shoutout to Teardown as a part of the “amazing Indie titles”
If y’all don’t have it, best $20 you can spend on a game 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
I mean, HL Alyx is already Steam VR exclusive. Making HL3 exclusive to their OS doesn’t even seem like a reach from that.
microsoft always been Valve's target.
valve is not to bring a alternative to switch
valve is trying to bring a alternative to windows
the relationship between Microsoft and anyone that makes anything windows related always been nasty co-dependency polygamous marriage, and that includes both Valve and PC makers
steam machines was supposed to be the wifes emancipation from abusive drunken husband lead by Valve, but they all got cold feet at the last second.
but valve went: if ya ain't gonna do it, I'm gonna do it myself!. thus steam deck
The current PC I use was alright when I built it, but as technology moves forward, and my computer doesn't, I find that I have less and less to play due to a lack of availability on my increasingly potato'd machine. Assuming this thing lives up to the promise of playing most, if not all, modern games decently, I see it as a very enticing choice of an upgrade instead of spending probably twice as much or more on a new rig.
Why now? Proton. Proton allows them to skip Windows without getting killed by the ultimate network effect - where all of teh games are on Windows (~only)!
I predict there's a lot of people out there who would definitely want to play PC games on the go. Nintendo's library is extremely limited compared to Valve's, so they're gonna bet on that. And given this handheld is cheaper than a lot of windows tablets of its calibre, it would probably eat a share of that market too.