Yeah! Would like to drive with a Turbine in my car. And in Times the fuel gets more expensive, you can easely switch to other flameable liquids. See me future Braking Bad sitting with Kitchen stuff mixing. 😂
@@Sigma-Male-of-the-Most-High316 Imagine going back in time with a modern day F1 race car and then tell the good folks back in that time that it is powered by a 1.6L V6. But it has a Turbo in it, and tell them it is what you have here, but smaller and more efficient. 🙂
@@pilotavery Especially since it had a curb weight of almost 4000 lbs, rolled on bias ply tires, and the average car got 8 MPG. And as an added bonus it burned any combustible liquid.
I swear, this right here is the future for automotive. The idea that electric cars are the future is sorta off because even at the hypothetical max, it’ll be less efficient, and will not have the robustness of an engine/turbine in times of crisis, such as was evident with California and Texas with extreme weather and power outages
@@theotherohlourdespadua1131EVs are great if you want to make more unique designs, but technically would be horrible for a tractor or a truck. But for a truck, a hydrogen truck would be the best chimice because You can have less weight going towards fuel. A car running on combustion would be better in a cold climate than battery and so on.
Electric cars aren't necessarily less efficient. Even if all the power is produced solely by burning fossil fuels, the typical combined cycle power plants have an efficiency of about 60% and can reach these high efficiencies because they do not have to sacrifice weight and size because they are stationary, there are also factors that make turbines more efficient at larger scales, as well as a multitude of other factors. The efficiency of carrying that power over the grid to a charging station, and from a charging station to an electric cars battery is about 95% efficient. The battery to wheel efficiency in an electric car is typically around 85%. So overall from the burning of fuel in a power plant to the wheels of the car is about 50% efficient. The typical combustion engine car is 20-30% with the highest efficiency commercial automobile combustion engines at around 40%. Even without factoring the continuous fossil fuel extraction. The fuel refining and transportation, which is about 80% efficient. Efficiency losses through transmission from the engine to the wheels. If it is purely powered by a combustion engine and is not hybrid energy is lost due to braking, fuel is wasted during idling. Even without factoring in these inefficiencies, EVs are still more efficient than combustion engines. Edit: all of this is assuming that electricity is produced purely via the burning of fossil fuels. Another beauty of electric vehicles is that electricity can be produces via other means such as solar, wind, and nuclear.
It is difficult to understand why they even went ahead with the power unit because the thermodynamics did not add up. The fact the units were fitted into luxury bodies would indicate it was to appeal to the public. It did. However the dynamometer and the emission analyser do no lie.
jgallario, the regenerator/recouperator adds more heat to the compressed air that is trapped between the compressor outlet and the first stage turbine to increase it's temperature/pressure even more than the compessor can by itself. The greater the temperature of the gas leading to the tubine, the more efficient it will be because of the increased pressure. So if you can raise temperature/pressure without adding fuel you will save on fuel. This is the same principle as Smokey Yunick's hot vapor engine for a piston engine that heats the air-fuel mixture between the compressor and the intake manifold. The heated fuel portion of the air/fuel mixture expands 600 times its original volume and create a positive pressure on the piston down on the intake stroke because the expansion is trapped by the compressor which acts as a one way valve.
In normal piston engines is true because cooled air means increased volume of air in the engine and improved combustion and power, in a turbine car heated air between compressor and combustor means less fuel used to eat up air and so increased efficiency
@@forloop7713, Smokey Yunick interested in the trapped, pressurized air/fuel mixure between the compressor outlet and the piston on the intake stroke. That's a lot of pressure when compared to the conventional system like you described. That's because on a conventional system, heating the air separately would decrease it's density and reduce the amount of fuel needed to achieve stoichometry and therefore the power outlet so the air must be cooled to increase densuty. But if the air and fuel were added TOGETHER BEFORE the turbo, then you can exploit the fact that the fuel portion of the mixture expands 600 times it's original volume when heated and that pressure can used to shove down the piston on it's intake stroke before it is compressed then ignited. That out of the box thinking is the opposite of what automotive literature promotes.
Yawn! Rover Motor Company was so far ahead of anyone in regards to Gas Turbine cars... that in 1950 they set a speed record with "JET-1" the car is at the museum in Gaydon, as are many other Rover Gas Turbine cars! In fact they raced at LeMans 1963-65, and in Nov 1965 the ROVER-BRM Gas Turbine car fresh from 10th place at LeMans was in California nd i did well over 25 laps in it with Peter Candy & my dad Richard Green. As usual Chryleer a day late & $$ short.
No, I was quite stunned that it would be able to stand up to 1000° C. Spin and rotate without the material burning or flexing everywhere, unless it’s powered by turbine- that would be different😂
@@takemyjobpleeez Agree. Every video that I watch about this car has the same comments about the apparent incorrect pronunciation about the word turbine. Stop with it, people.
Why not? Minimal parasitic loss due to friction, a fraction of the weight of a piston engine, doesn't need additional parts like a cooling system, a very simple planetary gear transmission system, energy efficient, with the exception of number of compressor stages and possibly under hood space very few limits for shaft horsepower. A turbine will burn anything that is or can be made combustible, and admit it turbines just sound cool. Unless of course you are in bed with the Rockefeller oil family, or you just refuse to embrace modern engine technology. My favorite platform is still the SBC with a Q-jet especially if its a Vortec, but I also see the value of fuel injection, coil on plug, and better air quality from improved emissions systems.
@@bdb3350 turbine engines are terrible for efficiency at anything but almost full power where they are almost as good as piston engines. Pretty much the worst fit for a car, which uses maybe 10% of max power most of the time
@@fuzzy1dk Good points. I forgot that they need to be ripping at over 100K to be efficient. I'm sure with today's computer controlled transmissions, and better design and construction of CVT transmissions its possible to make a turbine work.
Time to bring this technology back
As long as you got those greedy fatcats, it won't.
Bring it back!
Yeah! Would like to drive with a Turbine in my car. And in Times the fuel gets more expensive, you can easely switch to other flameable liquids.
See me future Braking Bad sitting with Kitchen stuff mixing. 😂
Sounds amazing at the end.
This is so 1950’s it hurts
That’s why I love it!! Wish I could go back in time for a week just to witness for myself!
@@Sigma-Male-of-the-Most-High316 Imagine going back in time with a modern day F1 race car and then tell the good folks back in that time that it is powered by a 1.6L V6. But it has a Turbo in it, and tell them it is what you have here, but smaller and more efficient. 🙂
This is from 1963
It's amazing
@@Sigma-Male-of-the-Most-High316LoL
The actual turbine is allot quieter than the end of the commercial. Not much louder than a normal car.
the wonder of mufflers
Yeah until you straight pipe it or cut off the muffler
@@pilotavery
Agree. Or even better transplant it with a Prat and Whitney J 58. (SR 71 engine)
@@bdb3350 I'm just amazed that they got a peak of 32 mi per gallon out of this damn thing
@@pilotavery
Especially since it had a curb weight of almost 4000 lbs, rolled on bias ply tires, and the average car got 8 MPG. And as an added bonus it burned any combustible liquid.
Sounds like the perfect car.
2:59... I was expecting this to be the turbo encabulator 🤣
I swear, this right here is the future for automotive. The idea that electric cars are the future is sorta off because even at the hypothetical max, it’ll be less efficient, and will not have the robustness of an engine/turbine in times of crisis, such as was evident with California and Texas with extreme weather and power outages
Sometimes the future is NOT ONE SINGLE system but a hybrid of many systems covering each other's weaknesses...
@@theotherohlourdespadua1131EVs are great if you want to make more unique designs, but technically would be horrible for a tractor or a truck. But for a truck, a hydrogen truck would be the best chimice because You can have less weight going towards fuel. A car running on combustion would be better in a cold climate than battery and so on.
Electric cars aren't necessarily less efficient. Even if all the power is produced solely by burning fossil fuels, the typical combined cycle power plants have an efficiency of about 60% and can reach these high efficiencies because they do not have to sacrifice weight and size because they are stationary, there are also factors that make turbines more efficient at larger scales, as well as a multitude of other factors. The efficiency of carrying that power over the grid to a charging station, and from a charging station to an electric cars battery is about 95% efficient. The battery to wheel efficiency in an electric car is typically around 85%. So overall from the burning of fuel in a power plant to the wheels of the car is about 50% efficient.
The typical combustion engine car is 20-30% with the highest efficiency commercial automobile combustion engines at around 40%. Even without factoring the continuous fossil fuel extraction. The fuel refining and transportation, which is about 80% efficient. Efficiency losses through transmission from the engine to the wheels. If it is purely powered by a combustion engine and is not hybrid energy is lost due to braking, fuel is wasted during idling. Even without factoring in these inefficiencies, EVs are still more efficient than combustion engines.
Edit: all of this is assuming that electricity is produced purely via the burning of fossil fuels. Another beauty of electric vehicles is that electricity can be produces via other means such as solar, wind, and nuclear.
It is difficult to understand why they even went ahead with the power unit because the thermodynamics did not add up. The fact the units were fitted into luxury bodies would indicate it was to appeal to the public. It did. However the dynamometer and the emission analyser do no lie.
thermodynamic efficiency was relatively high.
fuel efficiency, not so much since it doesn't throttle well
Amazing design
I really like the Retro video
so 1950!
@@carrozzieriitaliani actually the Chryslers turbo car was a 1963 and yes the majority of television was in black and white
@@kennethpenny1461 sorry you're right i meant 1960 😅
@@carrozzieriitaliani no problem we all make tipos typos lol
Sounds like a vacuum cleaner or an e vehicle. ❤
3:38 "Pre heated air, requires less fuel"... Isn't it that cold air is better for ignition?
jgallario, the regenerator/recouperator adds more heat to the compressed air that is trapped between the compressor outlet and the first stage turbine to increase it's temperature/pressure even more than the compessor can by itself. The greater the temperature of the gas leading to the tubine, the more efficient it will be because of the increased pressure. So if you can raise temperature/pressure without adding fuel you will save on fuel. This is the same principle as Smokey Yunick's hot vapor engine for a piston engine that heats the air-fuel mixture between the compressor and the intake manifold. The heated fuel portion of the air/fuel mixture expands 600 times its original volume and create a positive pressure on the piston down on the intake stroke because the expansion is trapped by the compressor which acts as a one way valve.
In normal piston engines is true because cooled air means increased volume of air in the engine and improved combustion and power, in a turbine car heated air between compressor and combustor means less fuel used to eat up air and so increased efficiency
@@alexzander1839 I thought ICE had intercoolers between the turbo compressor and the engine because getting cooler air into the engine is better
@@forloop7713, Smokey Yunick interested in the trapped, pressurized air/fuel mixure between the compressor outlet and the piston on the intake stroke. That's a lot of pressure when compared to the conventional system like you described. That's because on a conventional system, heating the air separately would decrease it's density and reduce the amount of fuel needed to achieve stoichometry and therefore the power outlet so the air must be cooled to increase densuty. But if the air and fuel were added TOGETHER BEFORE the turbo, then you can exploit the fact that the fuel portion of the mixture expands 600 times it's original volume when heated and that pressure can used to shove down the piston on it's intake stroke before it is compressed then ignited. That out of the box thinking is the opposite of what automotive literature promotes.
The "Turbine uses heated air to expand the compressor"
Awesome !
THE TURBANATOR
This would be good as a bit in my idea for the Val Kilmer batman tv show a young Bruce Wayne sees this and designs the batmobile!
Yawn! Rover Motor Company was so far ahead of anyone in regards to Gas Turbine cars... that in 1950 they set a speed record with "JET-1" the car is at the museum in Gaydon, as are many other Rover Gas Turbine cars! In fact they raced at LeMans 1963-65, and in Nov 1965 the ROVER-BRM Gas Turbine car fresh from 10th place at LeMans was in California nd i did well over 25 laps in it with Peter Candy & my dad Richard Green. As usual Chryleer a day late & $$ short.
I guess everyone has their own way of pronouncing turbine. A turban was what hid Lord Voldemort on Quirinus Quirrell’s head.
So its a free turbine two shaft gas turbine engine
Yeah, turboshaft
A turban is a head covering
No, I was quite stunned that it would be able to stand up to 1000° C. Spin and rotate without the material burning or flexing everywhere, unless it’s powered by turbine- that would be different😂
So we've been deliberately pushed towards the piston engine
What is a turban? Its a bit of indian head wear
A turban is also a hat
What if this thing kicked in at a certain speed ie 5th and 6th gear in a otherwise electric car!
I dont know if I agree with "gas" engine
How about "EVERYTHING that burns" engine 🤣
he can't pronounce the word turbine right
They also pronounced "robot" differently back then as well.
TUR-bin, or tur-BINE, are both correct pronunciations.
@@takemyjobpleeez
Agree. Every video that I watch about this car has the same comments about the apparent incorrect pronunciation about the word turbine. Stop with it, people.
Turbines do not belong in a car.
Why not?
Minimal parasitic loss due to friction, a fraction of the weight of a piston engine, doesn't need additional parts like a cooling system, a very simple planetary gear transmission system, energy efficient, with the exception of number of compressor stages and possibly under hood space very few limits for shaft horsepower. A turbine will burn anything that is or can be made combustible, and admit it turbines just sound cool.
Unless of course you are in bed with the Rockefeller oil family, or you just refuse to embrace modern engine technology. My favorite platform is still the SBC with a Q-jet especially if its a Vortec, but I also see the value of fuel injection, coil on plug, and better air quality from improved emissions systems.
Or even Turbans lol
My car's turbos want to have a word with you.
@@bdb3350 turbine engines are terrible for efficiency at anything but almost full power where they are almost as good as piston engines. Pretty much the worst fit for a car, which uses maybe 10% of max power most of the time
@@fuzzy1dk
Good points. I forgot that they need to be ripping at over 100K to be efficient. I'm sure with today's computer controlled transmissions, and better design and construction of CVT transmissions its possible to make a turbine work.
Bring it back!