1. The Power of AoE 0:45 2. The Zul'Farrak Graveyard Farm 1:57 3. Dire Maul East for Rich Thorium Veins 3:21 4. Warsong Gulch and Alterac Valley Premades 4:34 5. AQ Prep Items / Patch Knowledge 6:25 6. The Zul'Gurub Bridge Mage AoE Farm 7:44 7. Modern Addons 8:44 8. Classic Mob Pathing Abuse 9:37 9. Boss Difficulty unchanged 10:38 10. Maraudon 1 Pull 11:49
One thing you neglected was the use of the diamond flask by warriors to give them a powerful self heal-over-time at the start of a pull. For those who don't know, the diamond flask is a trinket that is a warrior class quest reward from sunken temple. The trinket has an on use effect of increasing strength by 75 and heals for 9 hp every 5 seconds. The buff lasts 1 minute with 6 minute cooldown. Good item for the level, but absolutely God tier when it was discovered that the heal receives 100% of your equipment's plus healing every 5 seconds. And even better, the healing is calculated from when you pop the trinket and stays as long as you don't remove the trinket. So you can put on a healing set, pop the trinket, switch back to your plate tanking gear and for 1 minute you have the top HOT in the game ticking on you. Not only does this keep you alive when you're tanking, but it also gives you healing threat. Every warrior in my guild has a +healing gear set. This is how I assume it worked in vanilla, but was nearly completely unknown at the time.
People are still impressed that mage is being adored by Blizzard for having all those capabilities but you guys forgot the name of their best spell is the same name as the company.
Still, having no AOE loot makes me sick to remember playing pre WoD? Or what expansion(s). Especially for transmog. Stopped playing after all the nonsense about bans like those mentioned about grinding linen for war effort. Time for your staff to be shortened, blizz. Go back to making games like classic wow warcraft 3.
Should've made it a "Top 10" :P Still sucks that Mages pulling 300+ mobs in Maraudon including Princess and kill it all by clever use of mob pathing and jumping back and forth isn't nerfed, yet a simple Paladin Elemental Earth Farm that made a small fraction of gold/hr that mages make, got nerfed. Feels like Blizzard are just nerfing anything but Mage Boosting at this point (except the 30 instance cap, but that's not a nerf to the farming method itself, just a nerf to running it 24/7).
I agree with this because they even nerfed us hunters dire maul farm. I haven't played classic so I don't truly know but from my understanding everything in dire maul like the vendor sell price has been cut in half. (Example: rod of the oger magi sells for almost 8g on pservers it sells for 4g on classic)
I believe the reason mages arent being nerfed is because even if they introduced a mobcap to their aoes it would matter since it's all about abusing pathing and if they changed that it would affect more than you know ony would change completely as its entirely dependent on the random pathing of mobs, Class call on Neff being the same thing
#nochanges people wanted the original vanilla. All of these could be done back then? Now people complain about they want changes. Buttom line - people will never be satisfied. Wait and see, the same whining will come in TBC.
You make great wow content, man. One of a few content creators that makes intriguing content. I don't think I've ever watched a video of yours and thought it was a waste of time. Thank you for making quality!
Paladins do have Consecration, which allows them to do some mage-style farms including ZG boost pulls. It'll be all the more relevant after the TBC caps nerf mage AOE.
Boosting my alts and my friends using Maraudon and ZF graveyard as a mage is some of the best fun I've had in the game. Feels so good when you have it down pat and you know that you're seconds away from 100s of elites and certain death but you make some clutch nova/blink or you get to a spot where you can jump down and evocate and marvel at all the mobs changing direction to come after you. so much fun
Deathroller here. I made and lost quite the fortune out of this mode of gambling (around 1500 gold now in my pockets) and friends too that I still keep contact with.
Many top WoW classic content creators have voices I find annoying or I'm constantly nitpicking their mannerisms. Often their content is lazily thrown together, rehashed or drawn-out unnecessarily with poor execution. Your content, however, has been a great change of pace. Your voice isn't overdone, your pauses and emphasis is pleasant and precise. Whatever formula you are following for your videos, I personally find it enjoyable to watch. Despite sometimes your topics being cliche, overdone or click-baity, I still enjoy them and understand it's just the 'youtube meta' to staying relevant. I look forward to your content.
Mages also get even sillier when you throw in multi-boxing. Which honestly might be one of the biggest differences now. The relative ease of getting a multi-box setup vs. 2004-2006 era. As long as you got money and take the time to figure out ISboxer (which is stupid easy when running all the same class) you can pretty much turn any dungeon into an aoe farm.
Some addons in Vanilla were way more powerfull then moder UI allows, decursive with one single button you mash until it turns gray (no curses found in range), Healbot Automatically downranking heals and autotargeting next heal targets.... the modern addons looks smart, but they are but a shadow of botlike addons from true vanilla UI
@@Pharto_Stinkus You cant replicate this behavior with todays UI, you couldnt even in late Vanilla and TBC (the UI doesnt let you dispell the debuff, that you must "click" yourself) Maybe it was not specifically decursive/healbot, but those addons definitely existed then and can not be replicated now (unless considered to be botting soft by Blizzard). They did the same for AVR addon that functioned from 3.3.0 to 3.3.2 that they achieved by hiding the camera position values to the addons.
As a ranker/pvp lover Id love for them to do a premade vs premade option and a pug vs pug option, For this to work you would need to make premade vs premade give more honor (high risk/high reward) Would make the game waaaaay more fun for everyone
Back in the original TBC I was doing a Gnomer run. We were in the big room near the back door (below the boss that drops Manual Crowd Pummeler). Someone got agro from a leper on the higher level, and then took the elevator to the lower level. About 5 minutes later half the instance swarmed over us as that one leper gnome had ran clear around and pulled dozens and dozens of other mobs on the way. I don't think it works now. Back then a mob would follow you clear across the instance. Now days I believe mobs will reset if you try this.
I was a former rank 14 (still have some poor quality pvp videos on my youtube profile) in vanilla that was thinking of coming back to classic when the BG's launched. When I did the r14 grind in vanilla, I was a sweaty unemployed tryhard. Nowadays I have a fulltime career, and a house I own that needs constant maintaining. If I were to play, it would be casually solo on the weekends. Apparently if I were to queue a classic BG solo, I'd get put vs a premade ~90% of the time from what I read. This is VERY different than vanilla. When I was pvp'ing 12+ hours a day in vanilla, if I queued solo, I got matched against a PuG just about every time. When I queued as a premade (which I did most of the time), the system matched us against other premades almost always. I dunno how they broke the BG's in classic, but in vanilla, PuG's actually played PuGs most of the time. It would be zero fun to play classic and get tooled over by premades as a pug over and over, so I'll pass on classic
IIRC enemy castbars were a thing in vanilla, there were quite a bit of addons. I remember having the energy tick on my rogue and also a riposte audio alert when it would proc.
There's two ways to argue against that though. The first is the idea that Classic was developed using 1.12 values which was the "vanilla nerfed to hell patch" as I like to call it. The second is that a lot of people like me from private servers experienced vanilla in a much better tuned, but perhaps not blizzlike form. If it allows you to zero effort the leveling experience I'm going to say it's either due to using the post-nerf values or because Blizzard's bad game design.
Tbh wow classic, next to all the nostalgic players or people who missed it, is just for scrub players who couldn't solve the game back then to make amends with their former selves. While we were aoe farming on our mages, downranking healer spells whilst keeping everybody alive in aq40, rolling heavy crit shockadins in pvp and fury tanks they where having trouble in scholomance. I have seen a multitude of players enjoying classic, while they have have been decked in blues after two years of wow vanilla back in the days. This is not a bad thing at ALL but some pattern I have been noticing. I know not a great player from back then who has been active on classic servers. Ps I love all these videos because of the nostalgia and off beat views.
@@lumni39 idk all I'll say is I still like Majora's Mask more than Breath of the Wild and one key point people bring up is vanilla and retail feel like two different games, but I guess you're not referring to people like me who genuinely believe that vanilla's a better video game than retail and you're only meaning these end-game focused minmaxers?
@@cantinoch9579 yes what I'm kind of saying is that it's almost impossible to say that vanilla is a better game than BfA 8.3 (the patch is important) if you have played both seriously. Yes opinions differ but honestly to me all these great videos have done nothing but defend my point over the months. And when we talk about Zelda games..., as a non-nintendo fan... I'm someone who has been playing games for over 25 years and botw has been the most refreshing game ever where other Zelda games have been just good at certain stuff that we have already seen before.
lumni it’s different for everyone. You can objectively say BFA is better than classic, due to gameplay. But in terms of enjoyment, BFA doesn’t even come close. Artifact Power/Azerite Power is aids. Thunderforge/total forge was/is aids. World quests are just Super dailies infested with aids. When you add rng on top of rng, it usually doesn’t end well. Sure, some people liked this. Doing your order hall shit amounted to playing a mobile game. I don’t want to feel obligated to log in everyday just so I don’t get behind on whatever rep I need for that current patch or getting certain upgrades/traits. Legion wasn’t as bad because the lore was at least enjoyable. BFA has 0redeeming qualities, in my opinion
Classic was all about fcking grindy annoying long ass dungeons hello maraudon, strat, Scholo People that dont want to put time into grinding out dungeons are not really the type that classic caters too. Classic was all about the times when you actually wanted to burn alot of time in a fantasy world. People not wanting to go Scholo is like people demanding adding group finder in BC when it will launch. Modern mmo comunity and mindset fucking sucks. Even in classic and that basically makes classic a dumped down retail Version, with people just jumping on a bandwagon
Just get into a guild. Everyone need dark runes, flasks, T0,5 Gear, tokens for honor and they will be happy to boost you to your preBiS, so you don't suck so hard in MC and ZG. You have to actually talk to people. Do not just do lfg with randoms. This is not retail you know?
The Battle Ground part, I'm surprised that the exploited map components were not mentioned along side the premade groups.Wall jumps, roof jumps, passing through invisible walls... It wasn't until later did Blizzard made BGs that seemed balanced overall!
Palas can already do DM Lashers and ZG pulls like mages and Classic TBC is very likely just around the corner. AoE gets capped there but consecrate and Paladin "damage reflect" strategies and items do not...
And yeah, you should add engineering. Very few people used Engineering in vanilla. I was gimmicky, bombs were nice, but most people considered their character and their professions one in the same. Most rogues would be leatherworking so they could craft gear. Warriors were blacksmiths for weapons and armor. A warrior wouldn't think about free action potions and spamming them in PVP. And it was rare to see anyone throwing grenades. It was even frowned upon in duels. Now engineering is the Meta, and you'd be hard pressed to find classes using enchanting, leatherworking or tailoring if you're on a PVP server. Most people are engineering unless you have an alt for farming, which is probably mage with mining and herbalism.
You mention mage as an alt for farming, hmm...like AoE pulls, and mining/herb???...I bet if more did this, we would have a lot less of these whining ass videos. Good stuff in this comment, and just shows people that aren't lazy half wits do things that benefit them instead of complaining 24/7. I wonder how some of these peoples lives are if all they do in a video game is complain about what others have that they don't. My character creation screen has the MAGE option...guess theirs doesn't.
I loved that lil sly hit at mages when you where opening up the vid saying "Just worth a mention. Not to say that anything in this video should receive a nerf" EDIT: And-d-d-d-d-d-d-d then I watched the rest of the vid NVM!
Man, you should visit some of the "better" private servers (expansions (Netherwing Atlantiss just restarted TBC with all their fixes and re-written engine implemented from the start)) and see what people are up to, and try to predict if Activision Blizzard will nerf certain things or not. Private servers have grown immensely since BfA, and their quality alike. I've played quite a few myself, redone content I've known for years, and learned lots of new things.
6:20 - This would be a dumb change. It's an MMORPG. Those players, the ones in their premade groups, put together a team and should be rewarded for it, not punished or hamstrung. If people don't like losing, it's time to make a team of their own. Network, communicate, make a team, plan events, etc.
He makes a good point why have 5 in AV when you get a full raid with AB and WSG. But you do make a good a good point about it being dumb with 3 or 5. It should be the same % of players So 1 or 2 people in a group for WSG/AB would be fair
I run with premade, it's mainly because the level 60 randoms often dont care about winning at all, and often 1-2 guys afk. You can solo queue at 20-29, 30-39 40-49 no problem and have a great time however.
It would never last. I'd bet a good 40-50% of the premades only exist because they queue into solo queues 9 times out of 10. Its easy wins tbh. If they had to actually play the game, and risk the chance of losing real time to a much better team, they would just queue dodge or quit grouping. On top of massive trolling kinda like we've seen in the streamed classic wsg tourneys except they've had to implement a fkn timer due to that very reason. Nothing like having a stacked group that's on full defense for 2 hours with nothing better to do than waste everyone's time. Oh, and that 2 hours was the FIRST flag...
@@Shiftlinkage101 Fixing Classic PvP and making it hella fun would be so easy. Just allow people to enter with premades and have some sort of ELO ranking system for pre made teams. People would be all over that shit and a thriving competitive PvP meta would be born.
this is why i also quit. however a few days ago i started playing again on an rp pve server and doing hardcore runs, the comunity is way nicer since there is no loot no drama no pvp. i honestly love it, i dont care about raids or gold farming, im just leveling, taking my time and not dying.
I agree wholeheartedly. I played from the launch of retail until a few months into WotLK. I had a nostalgia craving for the years of old WoW. I tried Classic and it became apparent that it isn't the same game. The visuals and mechanics are the same, but the soul is not there. Between the addons, the boosting, and the speed at which the content is run through it just isn't the same thing. If it was a free to play game I'd say no big deal, but $15 a month for a 16 year old game that isn't maintained is a price too far.
I have heard stories of how people early-on used to kite around the dragon bosses in BWL, which apparently was the main reason Blizzard made it so some bosses immediately teleport you in front of them when you go out of range/sight. That's the case now for most raid bosses, and even for some non-raid encounters
Sigh... and there I was on my shaman trying to farm ghost mushroom in mara. Gotta take a lesser invis for each run and hope I don't accidentally aggro the sludges on that one damn jump or it's a wipe and a long run back. That's ok, I learned how to solo farm angerforge and helped a few guildies, as well as myself, get HoJ. Because that is what ele shams need: an ego boost!
I was really sad with Azeroth Autopilot in classic. Cons Legion, and Azeroth autopilot for BfA were amazing. Such a shame the classic version wasn't as good, and didn;t get a player to cap
only thing i disagree with is that world pvp is out there, if you farm for demonic runes you can get some nice 1v1s or 2v2s out in the world or if you're dong silithus CC rep farming maybe it's an EU thing but world pvp is there if you actually go out in the world. don't let phase 2 stop you.
Have you seen then video of someone on the chinese sever doing MARA1 pull with 330 mobs + Princess boss. He states in the video that up to 360 mobs is possible.
Have both tracking abilities at the top of your hot bars near the minimap. Switch when you enter a new area on the mini map often. You eventually get use to it, and do it out of habbit.
Well tbf about enemies being able to melee you regardless of height distance, it's the same in retail, I'm on a roof pulling an enemy to me and it aggros their friend and their friend is also able to attack me
As a DMT farming/buff selling machine, I'm surprised you didn't bring up the hunter solo farming ability of DMT. Pretty obscene levels of gold available at a very consistent rate for only one class
But that's the difference us hunters actually have to do some work to get through dire maul into just kiting the king. mages you literally hop on your mount you run through all these mobs you frost Nova blink away and start blizzarding. Besides our whole farming can be fucked up by a single feign death resisting they on the other hand are fine if they got pots with em trust me lol
@@Ithrial420 FD resists don't really screw ya that often once you get the distances down. Not to say it never will, but it's definitely become pretty rare for me since I figured out where to FD
@@Ithrial420 Yeah you totally run through mara on your mount. Also, ZG is super easy, and every mage can do it no problem. Do me a favor? Roll a mage, do these things, and stfu. Side note, @Mr. Plow seems to know the FD trick better than you. Wonder if certain mages have an easier time doing these runs than others. That'd be weird...
the wall-technique is much better in Zul'Farrak, I leveled 3 mages between 42-54 that way VERY fast. Got a few epics and could easily afford my Epic Mount asap at 60 due to the ZF Solo farming.
Rolled a mage two weeks ago, never looked back. Made 2k gold already from Mara 1 pulls and ZF runs. And I was being lazy. If I got hard on it.... Holy hell!
I have a Smite Priest that does exactly this. I made sure they were a dwarf so people put up with me simply for fear ward, but then they see what the build can do. Smite Priest may not be the most damage in the game, but it can preform even better than shadow because you don't rely on DoTs, plus Holy Nova's aoe. Mana isn't as big an issue as people make it out to be once you get gear. Priests scale so hard with Spirit, especially with this build, so once you get going you wont even have to mana-pot most fights.
Pre mades aren't the issue, it's that we have no way of ticking a box for PvP that would enable us to avoid pre mades against people that sign up with a certain amount of players and jus have a casual bg with like-minded players.
well, i am dissapointed that the strat UD side aint covered in this xD but then again, thats the top a le cream of mages that are able to do that wich was the top method of boosting players to 60 before ZG, one mistake or a few second late start, that would destroy the run and on golemagg server, it was 25-30g a run per player ( no loot for the boosted ppl ). clear speed of 11-13min if duo mage.
@@herrmannnachnahme9456 cause if you didn't you would know about nax in WOTLK instead youre being dumb and are assuming I am speaking of classic. Which would be dumb but why would I bring up a spell that doesn't exist in classic 🤔
The whole video is about classic and you could have just added "in wrath" but you chose to bitch about my concerns in comments as useful as arcane intellect on a warrior. I wish you all the best a proud wrathbabby (and still playing to this day)
I disagree with aoe pulls done by mages being “breaking the game.” To learn the runs it takes loads of patience, dedication, and a bit of skill. To discover them as the first person to ever do them takes even more so. Mages are the 2nd most popular class (behind warriors) and yet how many mages do you actually see selling boosts? If it was breaking the game, everyone could do it easily. The fact that mages are getting directly nerfed with an aoe cap is basically saying “Hey, you are too good at the game. Let’s nerf that.” Also, at around 2:38 , see that shadow hunter in the back there? He would wipe the run and kill you if you did not wait for him to pat back. Thought he would show that, but he does not.
you need at least 8 days to complete the gates to open... because you have to do at least two BWLs to complete the questline, and BWL resets only once a week.
1. The Power of AoE 0:45
2. The Zul'Farrak Graveyard Farm 1:57
3. Dire Maul East for Rich Thorium Veins 3:21
4. Warsong Gulch and Alterac Valley Premades 4:34
5. AQ Prep Items / Patch Knowledge 6:25
6. The Zul'Gurub Bridge Mage AoE Farm 7:44
7. Modern Addons 8:44
8. Classic Mob Pathing Abuse 9:37
9. Boss Difficulty unchanged 10:38
10. Maraudon 1 Pull 11:49
ssshh dont tell em half the video is about mages
@@WillEmmo i just wanted to be the summary guy for once
@@Seyvren And I appreciate it!
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What was the addon he first mentioned something about getting you to 40 with no effort or something along those lines
One thing you neglected was the use of the diamond flask by warriors to give them a powerful self heal-over-time at the start of a pull.
For those who don't know, the diamond flask is a trinket that is a warrior class quest reward from sunken temple. The trinket has an on use effect of increasing strength by 75 and heals for 9 hp every 5 seconds. The buff lasts 1 minute with 6 minute cooldown. Good item for the level, but absolutely God tier when it was discovered that the heal receives 100% of your equipment's plus healing every 5 seconds. And even better, the healing is calculated from when you pop the trinket and stays as long as you don't remove the trinket. So you can put on a healing set, pop the trinket, switch back to your plate tanking gear and for 1 minute you have the top HOT in the game ticking on you. Not only does this keep you alive when you're tanking, but it also gives you healing threat. Every warrior in my guild has a +healing gear set.
This is how I assume it worked in vanilla, but was nearly completely unknown at the time.
People are still impressed that mage is being adored by Blizzard for having all those capabilities but you guys forgot the name of their best spell is the same name as the company.
Still, having no AOE loot makes me sick to remember playing pre WoD? Or what expansion(s). Especially for transmog. Stopped playing after all the nonsense about bans like those mentioned about grinding linen for war effort. Time for your staff to be shortened, blizz. Go back to making games like classic wow warcraft 3.
It was actually because Ghostcrawler was maining a mage and he was the lead game designer :)
Gonna play your intro on loop when I get married
@Joe Exotic I don't get it 😭
@@TenMoogles he's not married
@@EnderGoku9001 Yeah... hence "when I get married".
Be careful of a gnomish head suddenly appearing instead of your wife’s
Don't do it!
Mage is the hero class of classic.
mages have a spell that bears the same name as the company that makes the game, nuff said :D
@@mikemathews7827 that's what I've always said
Yea it's as if they can do magic
It actually is you know
Mage is the retail class of classic ;)
Should've made it a "Top 10" :P
Still sucks that Mages pulling 300+ mobs in Maraudon including Princess and kill it all by clever use of mob pathing and jumping back and forth isn't nerfed, yet a simple Paladin Elemental Earth Farm that made a small fraction of gold/hr that mages make, got nerfed. Feels like Blizzard are just nerfing anything but Mage Boosting at this point (except the 30 instance cap, but that's not a nerf to the farming method itself, just a nerf to running it 24/7).
I agree with this because they even nerfed us hunters dire maul farm. I haven't played classic so I don't truly know but from my understanding everything in dire maul like the vendor sell price has been cut in half. (Example: rod of the oger magi sells for almost 8g on pservers it sells for 4g on classic)
@@Ithrial420 nope
I believe the reason mages arent being nerfed is because even if they introduced a mobcap to their aoes it would matter since it's all about abusing pathing and if they changed that it would affect more than you know ony would change completely as its entirely dependent on the random pathing of mobs, Class call on Neff being the same thing
#nochanges people wanted the original vanilla. All of these could be done back then? Now people complain about they want changes. Buttom line - people will never be satisfied. Wait and see, the same whining will come in TBC.
@@MrKemboo imagine saying "nochanges" when there's alrady been docens of changes xD
"Aoe doesn't get capped until TBC"
*LAUGHS IN SEED OF CORRUPTION*
Our day will come warlock brothers
Jesus I remeber those AV pulls with SoC spamming. Good times.
@@EnhancedNightmare same, i came up in the tbc pre patch as warlock so missed vanilla :D SoC worked better with multiple other warlocks in AV :D
No mention of world buffs at all? A 60+% DPS increase for Warriors? If that ain't busted I don't know what is.
@Mike Söderling ooooor if they get dispelled, somehow..
I always try to guess where Willie's head is gonna pop from in the video window during the intro. Am I the only one?
I always try and usually fail. I got it right last video, WC entrance :}
WOTLKs soundtrack was so great. I’m always tempted to pause the jams and turn the ambience/music on when I get to those zones/instances.
diamond flask healing for warriors is quite weird imo
You make great wow content, man. One of a few content creators that makes intriguing content. I don't think I've ever watched a video of yours and thought it was a waste of time. Thank you for making quality!
I really hope they change the turn-ins "for the spirit" of the AQ war effort.
Paladins do have Consecration, which allows them to do some mage-style farms including ZG boost pulls. It'll be all the more relevant after the TBC caps nerf mage AOE.
Well consecration is a traditional aoe so it will be hit by the tbc nerf.
I had the same to say, but he did say "base line aoe", which consecration isn't (until tbc)
No, he specifically said baseline. Consec is in the holy tree
@@john-fi2ni Consecration is not affected by TBC AOE caps.
Basically:
Whatever mages can take advantage of = never gets nerfed.
Things mages can't take advantage off = always gets nerfed.
so you are trying to tell me that warrior has no AoE when there is actually the almighty thunder clap in the game
Boosting my alts and my friends using Maraudon and ZF graveyard as a mage is some of the best fun I've had in the game. Feels so good when you have it down pat and you know that you're seconds away from 100s of elites and certain death but you make some clutch nova/blink or you get to a spot where you can jump down and evocate and marvel at all the mobs changing direction to come after you. so much fun
Deathrolling - breaking the 4th wall, leading to a real gambling addiction.
@From Maui you need a mediator who takes the gold at the start
Deathroller here. I made and lost quite the fortune out of this mode of gambling (around 1500 gold now in my pockets) and friends too that I still keep contact with.
the addiction is not the problem, going broke buying gold would be!
start 10000 and roll a 2
PvP could be definitely improved by matching premades against premades and by removing reputation gains for loses.
Many top WoW classic content creators have voices I find annoying or I'm constantly nitpicking their mannerisms. Often their content is lazily thrown together, rehashed or drawn-out unnecessarily with poor execution. Your content, however, has been a great change of pace. Your voice isn't overdone, your pauses and emphasis is pleasant and precise. Whatever formula you are following for your videos, I personally find it enjoyable to watch. Despite sometimes your topics being cliche, overdone or click-baity, I still enjoy them and understand it's just the 'youtube meta' to staying relevant. I look forward to your content.
Mages also get even sillier when you throw in multi-boxing. Which honestly might be one of the biggest differences now. The relative ease of getting a multi-box setup vs. 2004-2006 era. As long as you got money and take the time to figure out ISboxer (which is stupid easy when running all the same class) you can pretty much turn any dungeon into an aoe farm.
Some addons in Vanilla were way more powerfull then moder UI allows, decursive with one single button you mash until it turns gray (no curses found in range), Healbot Automatically downranking heals and autotargeting next heal targets.... the modern addons looks smart, but they are but a shadow of botlike addons from true vanilla UI
Decursive and healbot didn't have the features you mentioned in Vanilla, or even TBC. They were added later.
@@Pharto_Stinkus You cant replicate this behavior with todays UI, you couldnt even in late Vanilla and TBC (the UI doesnt let you dispell the debuff, that you must "click" yourself)
Maybe it was not specifically decursive/healbot, but those addons definitely existed then and can not be replicated now (unless considered to be botting soft by Blizzard).
They did the same for AVR addon that functioned from 3.3.0 to 3.3.2 that they achieved by hiding the camera position values to the addons.
I'm big fan of your "10 video" formats. You could always choose a different number xD your lists are great.
As a ranker/pvp lover Id love for them to do a premade vs premade option and a pug vs pug option, For this to work you would need to make premade vs premade give more honor (high risk/high reward) Would make the game waaaaay more fun for everyone
Just pemade vs premade with same honor and watch them dissolve
the 10 video format is fine, do what you want it's your channel
Back in the original TBC I was doing a Gnomer run. We were in the big room near the back door (below the boss that drops Manual Crowd Pummeler). Someone got agro from a leper on the higher level, and then took the elevator to the lower level. About 5 minutes later half the instance swarmed over us as that one leper gnome had ran clear around and pulled dozens and dozens of other mobs on the way.
I don't think it works now. Back then a mob would follow you clear across the instance. Now days I believe mobs will reset if you try this.
what i love about this video shows that BFA is the mmorpg and wow classic is just a single player game
I was a former rank 14 (still have some poor quality pvp videos on my youtube profile) in vanilla that was thinking of coming back to classic when the BG's launched. When I did the r14 grind in vanilla, I was a sweaty unemployed tryhard. Nowadays I have a fulltime career, and a house I own that needs constant maintaining. If I were to play, it would be casually solo on the weekends. Apparently if I were to queue a classic BG solo, I'd get put vs a premade ~90% of the time from what I read. This is VERY different than vanilla. When I was pvp'ing 12+ hours a day in vanilla, if I queued solo, I got matched against a PuG just about every time. When I queued as a premade (which I did most of the time), the system matched us against other premades almost always. I dunno how they broke the BG's in classic, but in vanilla, PuG's actually played PuGs most of the time. It would be zero fun to play classic and get tooled over by premades as a pug over and over, so I'll pass on classic
best decision youve made after buying a house. if pvp was going to be the one and only goal, you dodged a bullet the size of the moon.
I should have rolled a mage, but not, oh, no, crusader memes and deus vult got the best of me...
I made a pally last week now it's 50, mage boost baby
IIRC enemy castbars were a thing in vanilla, there were quite a bit of addons. I remember having the energy tick on my rogue and also a riposte audio alert when it would proc.
Before launch
”Vanilla is solved and boring”
When players discover unimaginable things
”WTF THIS IS NOT VANILLA!”
There's two ways to argue against that though.
The first is the idea that Classic was developed using 1.12 values which was the "vanilla nerfed to hell patch" as I like to call it.
The second is that a lot of people like me from private servers experienced vanilla in a much better tuned, but perhaps not blizzlike form.
If it allows you to zero effort the leveling experience I'm going to say it's either due to using the post-nerf values or because Blizzard's bad game design.
Tbh wow classic, next to all the nostalgic players or people who missed it, is just for scrub players who couldn't solve the game back then to make amends with their former selves. While we were aoe farming on our mages, downranking healer spells whilst keeping everybody alive in aq40, rolling heavy crit shockadins in pvp and fury tanks they where having trouble in scholomance. I have seen a multitude of players enjoying classic, while they have have been decked in blues after two years of wow vanilla back in the days. This is not a bad thing at ALL but some pattern I have been noticing. I know not a great player from back then who has been active on classic servers.
Ps I love all these videos because of the nostalgia and off beat views.
@@lumni39 idk all I'll say is I still like Majora's Mask more than Breath of the Wild and one key point people bring up is vanilla and retail feel like two different games, but I guess you're not referring to people like me who genuinely believe that vanilla's a better video game than retail and you're only meaning these end-game focused minmaxers?
@@cantinoch9579 yes what I'm kind of saying is that it's almost impossible to say that vanilla is a better game than BfA 8.3 (the patch is important) if you have played both seriously. Yes opinions differ but honestly to me all these great videos have done nothing but defend my point over the months.
And when we talk about Zelda games..., as a non-nintendo fan... I'm someone who has been playing games for over 25 years and botw has been the most refreshing game ever where other Zelda games have been just good at certain stuff that we have already seen before.
lumni it’s different for everyone. You can objectively say BFA is better than classic, due to gameplay. But in terms of enjoyment, BFA doesn’t even come close. Artifact Power/Azerite Power is aids. Thunderforge/total forge was/is aids. World quests are just Super dailies infested with aids. When you add rng on top of rng, it usually doesn’t end well. Sure, some people liked this. Doing your order hall shit amounted to playing a mobile game. I don’t want to feel obligated to log in everyday just so I don’t get behind on whatever rep I need for that current patch or getting certain upgrades/traits. Legion wasn’t as bad because the lore was at least enjoyable. BFA has 0redeeming qualities, in my opinion
Been trying to do scholo for like five days now just can’t find a group. Everyone’s getting boosted lmao. This is not how classic was.
they prob are doing it because blizzard is probably going to nerf classes more because of the video
Well nobody wants to run Scholo because its annoying and takes really long unless you overgear the instance
Running scholo sucks.
Classic was all about fcking grindy annoying long ass dungeons hello maraudon, strat, Scholo
People that dont want to put time into grinding out dungeons are not really the type that classic caters too.
Classic was all about the times when you actually wanted to burn alot of time in a fantasy world.
People not wanting to go Scholo is like people demanding adding group finder in BC when it will launch.
Modern mmo comunity and mindset fucking sucks. Even in classic and that basically makes classic a dumped down retail Version, with people just jumping on a bandwagon
Just get into a guild. Everyone need dark runes, flasks, T0,5 Gear, tokens for honor and they will be happy to boost you to your preBiS, so you don't suck so hard in MC and ZG.
You have to actually talk to people. Do not just do lfg with randoms. This is not retail you know?
Paladin's Consecration cries silently in a corner. Especially with the Paladin naked ZG all pull run already shown.
I no longer play classic after getting all the bwl set, but I still come back to theses vids
"Greater Blessing of Kings spam" tanking :D
Saw it live actually - Pallys are viable MTs, I take everything back
This still works?
The Battle Ground part, I'm surprised that the exploited map components were not mentioned along side the premade groups.Wall jumps, roof jumps, passing through invisible walls... It wasn't until later did Blizzard made BGs that seemed balanced overall!
Palas can already do DM Lashers and ZG pulls like mages and Classic TBC is very likely just around the corner. AoE gets capped there but consecrate and Paladin "damage reflect" strategies and items do not...
the same people who wanted no changes are the same people complaining the raids are too easy
the nochangers are basically communist. they practice it, it fails and then they claim it isn't true communism.
And yeah, you should add engineering. Very few people used Engineering in vanilla. I was gimmicky, bombs were nice, but most people considered their character and their professions one in the same. Most rogues would be leatherworking so they could craft gear. Warriors were blacksmiths for weapons and armor. A warrior wouldn't think about free action potions and spamming them in PVP. And it was rare to see anyone throwing grenades. It was even frowned upon in duels. Now engineering is the Meta, and you'd be hard pressed to find classes using enchanting, leatherworking or tailoring if you're on a PVP server. Most people are engineering unless you have an alt for farming, which is probably mage with mining and herbalism.
You mention mage as an alt for farming, hmm...like AoE pulls, and mining/herb???...I bet if more did this, we would have a lot less of these whining ass videos. Good stuff in this comment, and just shows people that aren't lazy half wits do things that benefit them instead of complaining 24/7. I wonder how some of these peoples lives are if all they do in a video game is complain about what others have that they don't. My character creation screen has the MAGE option...guess theirs doesn't.
I loved that lil sly hit at mages when you where opening up the vid saying "Just worth a mention. Not to say that anything in this video should receive a nerf"
EDIT: And-d-d-d-d-d-d-d then I watched the rest of the vid NVM!
Class is crazy
Hey man, is there a list some where of what AddOns you use? Your hud and ui look nice and clean...
12:03 you dont need gear.. arlaeus has done it naked on his mage
Man, you should visit some of the "better" private servers (expansions (Netherwing Atlantiss just restarted TBC with all their fixes and re-written engine implemented from the start)) and see what people are up to, and try to predict if Activision Blizzard will nerf certain things or not.
Private servers have grown immensely since BfA, and their quality alike. I've played quite a few myself, redone content I've known for years, and learned lots of new things.
Another thing to add: MAGES (yep, another mage) with a macro to auto target into cast insta spell as mob is spawning to get tag.
hunters can do that infinitely better
“First in game use of mage’s AoE to their advantage”
Jokerd: hold my Redbull...
6:20 - This would be a dumb change.
It's an MMORPG.
Those players, the ones in their premade groups, put together a team and should be rewarded for it, not punished or hamstrung.
If people don't like losing, it's time to make a team of their own. Network, communicate, make a team, plan events, etc.
He makes a good point why have 5 in AV when you get a full raid with AB and WSG. But you do make a good a good point about it being dumb with 3 or 5. It should be the same % of players So 1 or 2 people in a group for WSG/AB would be fair
I run with premade, it's mainly because the level 60 randoms often dont care about winning at all, and often 1-2 guys afk. You can solo queue at 20-29, 30-39 40-49 no problem and have a great time however.
Pre made vs Pre Made is PvP at its peak and exactly what people should want.
It would never last. I'd bet a good 40-50% of the premades only exist because they queue into solo queues 9 times out of 10. Its easy wins tbh. If they had to actually play the game, and risk the chance of losing real time to a much better team, they would just queue dodge or quit grouping. On top of massive trolling kinda like we've seen in the streamed classic wsg tourneys except they've had to implement a fkn timer due to that very reason. Nothing like having a stacked group that's on full defense for 2 hours with nothing better to do than waste everyone's time. Oh, and that 2 hours was the FIRST flag...
@@Shiftlinkage101 Fixing Classic PvP and making it hella fun would be so easy. Just allow people to enter with premades and have some sort of ELO ranking system for pre made teams. People would be all over that shit and a thriving competitive PvP meta would be born.
Paladins can do the zul farrack farm also, just takes a bit longer with smaller pulls
The way people play Classic is why I quit months ago. Everything that can be exploited is exploited...to the max... and it just wasn't fun.
players always do that and it´s not even fun to play, the problem is that the game is figured out
this is why i also quit. however a few days ago i started playing again on an rp pve server and doing hardcore runs, the comunity is way nicer since there is no loot no drama no pvp. i honestly love it, i dont care about raids or gold farming, im just leveling, taking my time and not dying.
I agree wholeheartedly. I played from the launch of retail until a few months into WotLK. I had a nostalgia craving for the years of old WoW. I tried Classic and it became apparent that it isn't the same game. The visuals and mechanics are the same, but the soul is not there. Between the addons, the boosting, and the speed at which the content is run through it just isn't the same thing. If it was a free to play game I'd say no big deal, but $15 a month for a 16 year old game that isn't maintained is a price too far.
Just rename the video "10 ways mage break Classic"
I thought that was the name first lol.
What is that Addon. Called that shows buff & Debuff timers? Can´t Quite hear it clearly in the video
Im waiting for the moment when they will find a pathing issue in a raid and the one pull videos that will follow
Zg
I have heard stories of how people early-on used to kite around the dragon bosses in BWL, which apparently was the main reason Blizzard made it so some bosses immediately teleport you in front of them when you go out of range/sight. That's the case now for most raid bosses, and even for some non-raid encounters
I had a character boosted by a mage in Mars who pulled 360 mobs AND the Princess boss, never seen anything like it!
Sigh... and there I was on my shaman trying to farm ghost mushroom in mara. Gotta take a lesser invis for each run and hope I don't accidentally aggro the sludges on that one damn jump or it's a wipe and a long run back. That's ok, I learned how to solo farm angerforge and helped a few guildies, as well as myself, get HoJ. Because that is what ele shams need: an ego boost!
is it weird that i think old armor sets, look AMAZING
I was really sad with Azeroth Autopilot in classic. Cons Legion, and Azeroth autopilot for BfA were amazing. Such a shame the classic version wasn't as good, and didn;t get a player to cap
only thing i disagree with is that world pvp is out there, if you farm for demonic runes you can get some nice 1v1s or 2v2s out in the world or if you're dong silithus CC rep farming
maybe it's an EU thing but world pvp is there if you actually go out in the world. don't let phase 2 stop you.
“Paladins have no AoE” uh Consecration??
Same as warriors, they have whirlwind
SirBarksALot91 whirlwind only hits 4 targets and has a cooldown, he obviously meant sustainable and unlimited targets aoe
@@Raynea oh ok, thanks 😃
He distinctly said "baseline". Consecration is not baseline.
@@smallpseudonym2844 What does baseline mean?
Have you seen then video of someone on the chinese sever doing MARA1 pull with 330 mobs + Princess boss. He states in the video that up to 360 mobs is possible.
I see you having herbalism + mining on your pally. How do you track both efficiently? I think I would be too lazy to click often
Have both tracking abilities at the top of your hot bars near the minimap. Switch when you enter a new area on the mini map often. You eventually get use to it, and do it out of habbit.
What addon shows the time left on dots& curses? I couldn't make it out.
Well tbf about enemies being able to melee you regardless of height distance, it's the same in retail, I'm on a roof pulling an enemy to me and it aggros their friend and their friend is also able to attack me
As a DMT farming/buff selling machine, I'm surprised you didn't bring up the hunter solo farming ability of DMT. Pretty obscene levels of gold available at a very consistent rate for only one class
But that's the difference us hunters actually have to do some work to get through dire maul into just kiting the king. mages you literally hop on your mount you run through all these mobs you frost Nova blink away and start blizzarding.
Besides our whole farming can be fucked up by a single feign death resisting they on the other hand are fine if they got pots with em trust me lol
@@Ithrial420 FD resists don't really screw ya that often once you get the distances down. Not to say it never will, but it's definitely become pretty rare for me since I figured out where to FD
@@Ithrial420 Yeah you totally run through mara on your mount. Also, ZG is super easy, and every mage can do it no problem. Do me a favor? Roll a mage, do these things, and stfu. Side note, @Mr. Plow seems to know the FD trick better than you. Wonder if certain mages have an easier time doing these runs than others. That'd be weird...
the wall-technique is much better in Zul'Farrak, I leveled 3 mages between 42-54 that way VERY fast. Got a few epics and could easily afford my Epic Mount asap at 60 due to the ZF Solo farming.
Hunter DM North farm. With enchanting and the amount of mana pots you get from this you could potentially make 200g/hour
Rolled a mage two weeks ago, never looked back. Made 2k gold already from Mara 1 pulls and ZF runs. And I was being lazy. If I got hard on it.... Holy hell!
What is the point of that much gold in Classic anyway? There is nothing to spend it on after you get epic mount besides consumables and some enchants.
@@rudy1999 TBC epic mounts and leveling alts
Was he aoeing with frostbite?
awesome video !
watch when AQ comes out, war effort stuff will only be able to be turned in for items looted AFTER its release
Now mages can pull Princess with 340 mobs in Mara... At once!
They need to do a hardreset for tbc and buff the instances. People will do tk and ssc on day 1 in tier 3 gear otherwise
Here before Asmongold
I used to sell Gnomeragan runs, 1 pull runs with my Pally , was so much fun!
How do you even survive that?
Holy Nova can out dps anything but a fire mage, and with crap gear. Until you run out of mana.
I have a Smite Priest that does exactly this. I made sure they were a dwarf so people put up with me simply for fear ward, but then they see what the build can do. Smite Priest may not be the most damage in the game, but it can preform even better than shadow because you don't rely on DoTs, plus Holy Nova's aoe.
Mana isn't as big an issue as people make it out to be once you get gear. Priests scale so hard with Spirit, especially with this build, so once you get going you wont even have to mana-pot most fights.
please talk about the very controversial and unbelievable way that they are handling the AQ gates.
I hit 4 arcane crystals in DM E. Great place to farm 'em and DE for gold also.
Consecration, Flame Wrath polearm, Force Reactive Disk, Retribution Aura say hold my beer
The ZG pull is not easy to get down....lots of small details that need dialed in
Imagine not being a mage in classic, that sounds really sad.
Someone has to heal your sorry frozen ass my dude.
someone has to 1 shot crit you my dudes
What's the weakaura/addon for the shadow ward?
Strategies are even sometimes named after guilds that published them
"jots down notes" use intro from this video on next tinder date... xD
Just got done with lvling mage 40-54 in ZF and clicked this video.. the first thing I see.....
I mean it was there in Vanilla...
? All I meant is that it triggered my ptsd after spending a week in that place
Not to mention the Maraudon 340+ mob including Princess Theredras farm
Forgive my ignorance, but what's R&G?
"Warriors- nothing" What about whirlwind and TC?
Both abilities are capped at the number of mobs they hit. That's what he meant I think.
It’s not really AoE, it’s more Multi-target since the max number of targets is fixed.
Wait... What’s this?
*Equips the Ravager*
Pre mades aren't the issue, it's that we have no way of ticking a box for PvP that would enable us to avoid pre mades against people that sign up with a certain amount of players and jus have a casual bg with like-minded players.
gnomes can get access to gnomish death ray in 29 bracket due to passive 15+ engi, pretty OP
well, i am dissapointed that the strat UD side aint covered in this xD but then again, thats the top a le cream of mages that are able to do that
wich was the top method of boosting players to 60 before ZG, one mistake or a few second late start, that would destroy the run
and on golemagg server, it was 25-30g a run per player ( no loot for the boosted ppl ). clear speed of 11-13min if duo mage.
You forgot my mod isboxer iplay 3 druids at once.
Man I hope blizzard changed all the items required to open gates of AQ, that would be great
Mage, is the answer. Always mage.
Remember when mages could solo farm the undead wing of nax with spell steal and their arcane spec?
Spell steal is from tbc, and priests could do this with mc on the riders in military.
@@herrmannnachnahme9456 ok but since you clearly played after wotlk you wouldn't know
@@herrmannnachnahme9456 u probably started playing when cataclysm was out. Right around the time the game died
@@herrmannnachnahme9456 cause if you didn't you would know about nax in WOTLK instead youre being dumb and are assuming I am speaking of classic. Which would be dumb but why would I bring up a spell that doesn't exist in classic 🤔
The whole video is about classic and you could have just added "in wrath" but you chose to bitch about my concerns in comments as useful as arcane intellect on a warrior.
I wish you all the best
a proud wrathbabby (and still playing to this day)
Vertical hitbox still exists in BFA (Tol Dagor) XD
You didn't even mention the right ZF farm. The wall jump is so much more broken.
When is the last time you made a positive video on Classic?
What good would it do the game to make a positive video?
I just levelled my aoe mage alt to 54 and got staff of celebras yesterday.
See's this video: "Wille *don't* "
I disagree with aoe pulls done by mages being “breaking the game.” To learn the runs it takes loads of patience, dedication, and a bit of skill. To discover them as the first person to ever do them takes even more so. Mages are the 2nd most popular class (behind warriors) and yet how many mages do you actually see selling boosts? If it was breaking the game, everyone could do it easily. The fact that mages are getting directly nerfed with an aoe cap is basically saying “Hey, you are too good at the game. Let’s nerf that.” Also, at around 2:38 , see that shadow hunter in the back there? He would wipe the run and kill you if you did not wait for him to pat back. Thought he would show that, but he does not.
you need at least 8 days to complete the gates to open... because you have to do at least two BWLs to complete the questline, and BWL resets only once a week.