Do university rankings matter? | Hiroshi Ono | TEDxOtemachiED
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- Опубліковано 8 тра 2024
- Hiroshi Ono is a sociologist who also has a background in mechanical engineering. His research interests include sociology of education, human resources, and the science of happiness. Discussing rationales of university rankings system, he sheds light on why our current education system is overwhelmingly built upon the mechanism of competition and what to do about it. Hiroshi Ono (Ph.D. in Sociology, University of Chicago) is Professor of Human Resources Management at Hitotsubashi University Business School and Affiliated Professor of Sociology at Texas A&M University. Hiroshi’s work focuses on the relationships among motivation, happiness, and productivity in the workplace. He is especially interested in demographic change and labor market dynamics in Japan, and the role of higher education in sorting individuals into higher status jobs. Hiroshi is a frequent contributor and commentator for Japanese and global news media, both print and broadcast. He is the author of Redistributing Happiness: How Social Policies Shape Life Satisfaction (with Kristen Schultz Lee, Praeger Publishing, 2016). This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at www.ted.com/tedx
If your university is well-ranked for your program, it will make a world of difference in your job search.
Not necessarily
not really, there are so many amazing colleges that are not in the QS Top 100 in fact better
@@ahmedhussein223 yes it will, it will be way easier for you to get relevant experiences that facilitate job search and also you have a network of alumni support
Also depends on the region, in Europe employers don't care as long as you meet the requirements, previous work experience is much more important
In the UK they could care less as long as you meet the ballpark requirements. What makes the difference here is your side projects/experience relevant to the job roles themselves.
Short answer: yes (when you're looking for a job).
life saver, thanks
Open a company
No they don’t, any employer that’s eliminating profiles based on university name rather than course subjects that match background required for doing the job is a company setup for failure, that’s a company you don’t want to work for. Doesn’t mean you shouldn’t work hard to show signal, but make sure you’re showing those signals to the right employer.
Thank you!
@@everyday_enthusiast Tell that to investment banks
Q: Do university rankings matter?
A: If it didn't, why would we still rank them?
In Germany it is not that important and still there are some rankings on the internet.
At least in some countries it doesn't matter.
@@joefisher1587 exactly my point......and possibly not some....but many
Its part of branding, these days everything is about business, including education too... And everyone tries to show they are the best... Somehow we can ask similar questions but we didnt...Why we advertise fast food if its not good for health.
@@secretsoul6882 are you seriously comparing educational university ranking with fastfood? LOL
Think about college as the beginning and not the end.
Great speech! Very thought-provoking
What does this mean
Right 👍 ,a person who has passion never stop dreaming about self improvement and that is what really matter and it's a great characteristic that makes you a better candidate I believe
This is the right attitude in a PERFECT world. Unfortunately, this is the REAL world.
Yes! I have also found that the school of your highest-level degree is the most important. Don't worry about your BA; worry about your PhD.
@@leenshammout2284 Always. If you're not teachable, then I don't want to work with you.
Excellent conversation....really appreciate how realistic and concerned you are about your kids perception of themselves as well.
Ranking is badly affecting the quality of education. I think universities should focus on having their academic programs accredited by InternationaI Accreditation bodies and forget about ranking. It is very much like a commercial process.
This is absolutely true !
but isn't it because of the quality of education that they rank?
@@yikuanwu5887 I can't tell you every way a uni is ranked, but there is more to it then just quality of education though it does play a part. Accreditation is extremely important for some careers. A good example is becoming a psychologist or teacher (at least in AUS) Reqiures you do courses that are accredited, doesn't matter how good the quality of education is. If it isn't accredited it is useless. I don't see why so much emphasis is based on the college you went to. Thankfully I believe it is a bit different in AUS where each university is extremely accessible.
I'll use NYU as an example: In the late 90's, NYU spent boatloads of cash to try and market itself as the newer, more artistic, hipper school. It courted the Olsen twins and a host of other celebs. I'm sure its "ranking" skyrocketed as a result. Has the quality of education improved drastically over the past twenty years? Did alumni of earlier eras (including my family) get a lesser education? Highly unlikely.
@@yikuanwu5887 absolutely not
Japan in particular is a country where your university's prestige is more important than your academic output, firstly because there is no emphasis on score/grade (pretty much pass or fail), secondly because graduates are already expected to get a job offer in year 3 prior to even completing their dissertation.
he's right, if you don't get into a top uni/dream school just work harder to get into a top uni/dream school for your postgraduate studies. Or become more resilient by working twice as hard and earning the same places as 'them'. Nowadays an undergrad is a requirement, and a masters is what really opens doors for you, unfortunately.
Depending on your industry, anything below a PhD is insufficient.
I love the end: Learning with sense of purpose (intrinsic motivation) brings greater happiness.
Loved the short precious message ❤
Inspiring talk! This gave me a chance to reflect myself and my community. Thank you!
I've worked with people from MIT that were absolute morons. I've worked with people from Pigs Knuckle University that were absolutely brilliant. People are more concerned with what you've been doing that where you've been doing it. If your research and results are worthwhile people will be interested.
Agreed. Besides, people are forgetting that there's a lot more to uni admissions than just academics/talent. The applications' review process itself is kinda screwed - too many applications coming in at Ivys, little amount of time to review and holistically judge them all - errors are bound to happen every now and then.
And yeah, you're much, more likely to make it into an Ivy if you're good at sports and your parents donate heartily to the institute, than if you're just good at studies.
Well despite the fact that it is certainly true that an MIT student is not necessarily more intelligent than an average university student, I have well noticed that top school students are generally more enlightened than average university students. However, this obviously does not mean that we should assume anyone’s intelligence based on their universities.
In my case, some of the most brilliant friends I have from high school are attending universities below the top 50s. One friend of mine that applied to Cambridge with me was accepted by LSE, Warwick, and UCL - she rejected them and stayed in her home country. Another friend of mine almost had perfect score in high school was rejected from Imperial College (nobody knew why) so instead went to study to a less known and more affordable university. I consider both these friends much more deserving of attending a top university that I am, yet it’s me the one who is actually attending one.
This made me realize that so many brilliant students can be found in any university. However, it also made me realize how selective most of these schools are and, albeit many students get in for wrong reasons, most of the students in these places have beaten their asses to get into a top university and are so driven and talented, which cannot be said from most students in general.
I couldn't agree more. Your future matters infinitely more than your past.
True. I also think that students who are high academic achievers will do well no matter what university they go to.
@@alexanderjiang2941 Curious. I find no mention of undergrads getting anything remotely like this at the MIT website. And 12 month stipends for grad students are less than half that. You wouldn't care to post an authoritative citation woudl you?
Most of the rankings are based strictly on the number of academic paper citations, and automatically gives schools with large student populations a major advantage. In Canada, at least domestically, the University of Toronto is not seen as a particularly prestigious school, yet scores the highest in the country on world rankings simply because it has THREE TIMES as many students as the other schools, and hence, three times the number of academic papers published.
Well, McGill is now no. 1 as per the recent QS ranking.
@@souravmukherjee4987McGill spends an insane amount on research and is research focused from top down. Their chancellor is a renowned scientist.
For those who thinks ranking doesn’t matter
Come and try to live in Asia, especially places like Tokyo, Hong Kong, or Seoul
Then you can experience the abject misery in job search without a degree from top ranked universities
India is no exception.
Some exceptional universities don't take part in rankings and people don't even know they exist.
@@brawnstein well india is different, even their top ranked uni are moderately good at best. So comapring it with Japan or Korea or Singapore or the US is absurd.
Come to india my friend 😂
I swear some indians who go to Japan/Korea/Singapore because "india's education system is brutal" are funny af
most asian countries are brutal when comes to education, extremely depressive, Europe or English speaking countries anyday.
Do what interests you, maybe not now coz of some conditions but later for sure. Because your work will cover a large part of your life and the main goal is to serve, to be happy & make others.
Values are greater than brand.
Haha, i see the Jobs in there😅
Ranking doesn’t matter. But perceived prestige matters. Example:
UC Berkeley (22nd, usnews)
Vanderbilt Univ (14th, usnews)
UC Berkeley is perceived as a prestigious school worldwide, while most people outside US haven’t even heard of Vanderbilt.
@Gautam Buddha both of them are public U.
@Mr Dialect... no they're not. Vanderbilt is private.
@@pdiddyprof oops, I got it wrong.
What people outside of the US have or haven't heard does not matter lmao
@@kosyudochukwu1414 except it does, because it’s an excellent mark of the perceived “prestige” of that school. Almost everyone around the world KNOWS MIT is the best. Without researching the courses, the professors, the resources available, everyone “knows” this. That’s the brand MIT has built for itself, and being associated with that brand is a valuable currency in our society.
You Sir are a wonderful man!
university ranking is a highly simplified yet efficient way to deliver quality information about universities to layman
Great talk!
When I hire, I look at the university too. I have noticed that people from good universities end up doing better in the interview (skill tests). After many years of interviews, I have ended up with higher expectations for top universities. Skill is not the only thing I hire for. But it is incredible how well they do.
That's true
That’s not to say that there is a huge difference in USNWR 1 versus USNWR 100. There are many positive reasons for a student to choose any of them. The difference within the university is more significant than the differences between the universities.
what ist the standard of uni ranking ?
They were prepared for it by their good universities
Thank you 🙏
In my view, partially but not fully... appreciate Sir for your insightful and thought provoking talk. Every points could be taken
Your first job determines your direction (mostly) and also the pay of your future jobs, and your college plays a lot in getting that first job.
A great talk!
Very helpful, as it guided in some way to what to chose and why to chose
As a hiring manager for years in the telecommunications field, myself and colleagues looked 99% at experience when hiring. The college degree was primarily a box to check.
1) let you control the process, do not let the process control you - we must know the purpose of taking the courses we’re studying
2) we must try discover something new
3) you have to aspire to study what you want to study
We need to also stop monetizing the value of education. Students need space to learn something new and not just follow a proposed track that will supposedly earn them money. THAT's how you become a better student both in the classroom and on the job.
Thanks!
That's a good video. Keep up the good work.
Great speech so insightful!
Thank you so much for your presentation. It is so clear and simple to understand. I had travelled to Japan and I also know that it can be more important for studying at a high ranked university than for having a well academic result after graduated. It is true that studying at a well known or high ranked university is really helpful for people getting a high paid job in world wide after graduated. However, I disagree with signalling because students still need to study very hard to understand and get surfficient knowledge for working efficiently. To control the academic progress of all high students studying at top colleges or university like Harvard or MIT, the schools should invest more on developing the programs about career that concern for solving the issues and challenges occuring in society life than in marketing.
I recently graduated with an MSc (first-class honours/distinction) from a university ranked Top 10 worldwide in the QS rankings, Top 5 in my subject area. The sad truth is that some companies will still not even reply to your application. It helps, but it doesn´t guarantee that you get every single job you apply for.
Imperial? Yes the job market is brutal...
@@AppleTech90 isnt imperial 1st in uk for employability
You have MSc
@@AppleTech90 No, I studied at UCL.
@@em8136 Imperial has a fantastic reputation, outstanding research, etc. It is surely advantageous to have Oxbridge, Imperial, UCL, KCL or other recognised universities on your CV. However if there are 50+ applicants for one position, perhaps 10 of them with a distinction from a top-tier university, you can imagine that it is tough to get an offer at the end of the day. Some so called "entry-level" jobs even require a few years experience in the industry. Quite recently, I came across someone who graduated in physics from oxford and as far as I remember he said that he got 5 offers out of 70+ applications.
Everyone is for public education, equity, and a fair shake for everyone until they have children.
The fact that the assessment of university rankings is necessary for society and the community because it provides information to the viewer in a general way. Civilians often tend to follow what is best, but in fact they can only see the surface of it, while the inner part has no objective assessment. But it is clearly that prestigious, high-ranking schools always attract parents as those schools are well-equipped with tools as well as a healthy environment for learning for youngsters
Awesome! Love it. Thank you.
I love this
The best advice I ever got was this:
“A great university like Harvard gets you an incredible job right out of college. But after your first two jobs employers don’t care anymore about your education, they care what past employers say about you. Are you a hard worker, etc…”
Basically, these top universities give you a great headstart in your field. But even going to a lesser-known one, you can close the gap between them and you after a decade or two.
Decade? Dude, a year.
Yes. Sadly traditional Unis who have legacy respect get a free pass. Rankings, however, are the way to finally get people to move on. They can be gamed, it's not perfect, but it has to develop.
It matters but I believe the 'others' would still have their opportunities.
In a nutshell people from companies will always look up to theses rankings before hire its employees, but if you want more than this, if your success is in other place, focus in doing your course the best you can no matter where!
Life is what you make of it.
"Parents and their students"
sounds lot louder in my ears, Don't know why?
It depends on the country though. But most of the country the ranking is really matter for job searching.
Overall, every university in the world makes you more knowledgeable, but use your knowledge for a better society, it would be an outstanding achievement.
Excellent presentation
Elitism more than the purpose of education
Amen!
Very good assessment. Thanks for the insight
Sadly, there's a grain of truth to the double-edged stereotype that is "educational prestige." When you're Asian, you're likely influenced by this mindset (to some degree).
That's totally real. The same social phenom happens in LATAM.
@@aaronsosaramos6976 I guess educational prestige especially matters in developing countries because education is viewed as a “key” to socioeconomic mobility. In many developed (Western) countries, it doesn’t really matter as long as alternatives exist. Keep in mind that they’re “different” forms of privilege.
@@PinkNintendoDuo87 that's so sad an true, I live in latin america, and this specially sucks
@Aaron NoneYa I totally agree, only recently have I realized how important it is to go to a fancy private/boarding school, be in these elite circles so that you can learn more about how to get into fancy universities and be influenced by your peers. I guess its unfair for those with a humble background, but arent they ultimately recruiting for rich ppl anyways
The ranking system includes both positive and negative aspects. On one side, using the rankings can assist employers to find good candidates who can bring comprehensive development and adaptation, bringing high profits. But on the other hand, it will have to improve competitive promotion, limit creativity and enthusiasm, as well as individual sense and job purpose. On the other side, enrolling in a lesser-known school can boost creativity, freedom, and overall growth, as well as the fearlessness to work more efficiently with the desire to achieve success.
such a great talk, it is sad how the world we live in is so fixated on rankings
Natural selection at it's best
@@FS-me8mj just curious, how our parents generation got millions of people who never attend a college or university, but they end up at a wealthy class? Meanwhile, a lot of MBA and PhD end up unemployed or retired as middle - low class? My father got PhD and he was never got a wealthy moment in his life, which certainly disappoints him forever
Yes. We have created a 'monster' in higher education. Totally unhealthy in so many ways.
what would you say about competitions between students themselves?
competition created by system@@I_am_FRANCO
I’m in Waseda ( one of the best institutes in Japan) I have seen my seniors struggle similarly like my other friends from other not so well known university. Even professors at Waseda tell us to have pride in where we are but yet not keep unrealistic expectations in the Job market .
The path to "success" is not just getting more narrow, but also much more conformistic.
Amen!
And our society is worse off for it.
The high ranked university most invisibly required you to put more effort on studying harder so you will not being underestimate by society.
Actually, there's an inverse relationship in my experience between status and rigor.
It also likely required a wealthy background, legacy, and possibly even major donations to the school in some cases.
There are also people getting into those unis who reject their offers due to cost.
Experience matters more
When the job market isn't that great, experience will be much harder to get if your university doesn't provide you that competitive advantage.
But yes, experience is better.
I've right swiped just because I saw a big name school, I'll admit it! I'm curious as to what other pre-college factors and experience contribute to a more successful career. Rather than focusing hard core on test scores and checking all the right boxes, I wonder what high schoolers could focus their energy on to contribute to living a fulfilling long-term postgrad life?
It’s really not an exact science. Most people going to the big name schools, Ivy League, grew up with very privileged backgrounds. They had tutors, went to the best private schools, and their parents had a lot of money.
Compare that to the average kid in public schools with parents who can’t afford things like tutors. It’s not an even playing field.
A lot of what goes into a successful life begins with the situation a kid grows up in, and they have no control over that.
The ranking of university can give some people a motivation to study hard in order to get into higher ranking university. I should say that I can feel the different atmosphere and passion of the study when I go to different universities. I think the ranking is like a guide to lead me to apply a better university after graduation.
I hope everyone can study the right college -> find good job -> have a good life
No. I saw a school in Vermont that isn't ranked at all but the survey says their graduates rank in the top 7% of college graduate income earners. It was an intensive outcomes survey, created by Georgetown University - I think!
Can you link the source here ?
TBH yes it's so satisfying when you can achieve the best university in your country😎
My friend, a Singaporean, has a M Sc. in physics, MD, and a PhD in epidemiology from Berkeley.
We discussed our children's university and we concluded that for the undergraduate degree, any "good" university was adequate, but for the graduate degrees, top-ranking ones would be advantageous. The problem is how can students go from good ones to top-ranking ones? In my particular situation our daughter graduated in marketing but was recruited by Arthur Anderson, an international accounting firm, to become a programmer. She did a few years of that and branched out into "change mgt" (help clients automate their business functions: business analysis, training, app operating procedures et.). She has been an independent contractor for over 25 years making as much as family physician. Our son is a radiologist.
Both families avoided very expensive undergrade education. We might have been lucky also. I hope same luck will exist for our grand children. Fingers crossed.
Ngl, I don’t have a specific thing I want to study right now. I want to go to a top college for the prestige and advantages it gives you, and maybe I’ll find something I like a lot along the way.
from my experince the best thing that matter is the people you meet there ,good teachers and the motivated students and freinds , it definitely matter if your freinds are more helpfull , educated and positive than having lazy feinds who like to "party all the time''.
applaying for jobs can make diffrent too also promotions and bigger salaries is kinda of unspoken rule here ,but its maybe bcz this ppl are simply smarter .
but in general good ranked uni doesnt decide ur future . its only the start as he said and m͟i͟g͟h͟t͟ increase your chances of success
I usually focus on schools that are classified as “R1” Doctoral for very high research activity in the Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Education. Another good classification is AAU which is upper echelon.
It does matter. That’s why I am heavily considering doing a Masters at UCL or King’s College
I think that it's depend on your needs. If you put the benefits on the first position that university bring you, for example moeny, titles and social hierarchy,just choose the famous schools.
Students make university rankings. Students perform well, earn trophies for sports teams, and make the school's reputation higher which in turn draws in more students. So on and so forth.
depends with your degree. if u r a computer science major university per se dont matter. what matters most is your portfolio.
Very true, sir .Higher ranked the university , more chances are that the process can control u. In the end it is important to find ur calling and work like a inspired tortoise rather than a disinterested rabbit .😃
Many factors in there to reform and support after graduated.
Splendid speech... To some extent, it makes much more sense to evaluate a person by his ability and professional skills rather by the educational background and school ranking.
But...The HR staffs rather ascribe a person’s skill by University ranking than examining the person in detail, for convenience. That’s horrible, but that’s the environment. Sad though.
I feel in Canada, most industries don't care about which school u went....
from my perspective, there are benefits that graduating from prestigious collages such as Harvard, Princeton. One of the benefits is having an educational credential of aforementioned universities is much more effortless for job applicants to have a recruitment from big firms without doubt. Not to mention about marriage issue, attending elite institution affect the possibility of marriage. However, entering a less- known collage is not accurately qualify competence about students, perseverance and diligence are the essential factor leading to success that pupils have to realize on the way of education
I’m from Penn and I agree to him
"Hurrah! Hurrah!"
The content that you learn at each university is pretty much the same. They get content from textbooks, and condense it into their own words and read it out at lectures. Just that some universities are more famous and prestigious than others.
It depends I guess, for something like medicine the medical school you go to doesn't matter and actually does not show up on your application for different hospitals (this is the case here in the UK), but for other sectors of employment, it probably does play a role.
It matters in South Asia though its the same MBBS :')
Unfortunately, it actually does, at least in more academic programs. I’ve been on residency application committees where the faculty will look less favorably on applicants from less prestigious schools. As a graduate from a small state medical school, I did my part to remind them of that fact and I still excelled in the program.
@@dwc511 I'm assuming you are from the USA, it's a shame that something so trivial matters over there. Here in the UK, all medical schools are run by the GMC (general medical council) so regardless of if you went to a pretigious medical school like Oxford, Cambridge, Imperial etc or a newer less established one, you will still be seen as the same. What matters here in the UK is how you performed at medical school as opposed to which one you went to.
let's be real, of course it matters
I went to UFSC, the top university at my State and one of the best universities in my country ( I'am brazilian). But I get only my phd there, in organic chemistry, my graduantion was entirely at a private college. My people usually thinks of private education as a bad one, but I soon realize that's not the case. We shouldn't measure someone's capability to do his or her work based on where this particular person get the college degree. It makes no sense. I don't want to sound cocky, but I'm pretty good at my job. My students love me and my research is going well.
Do university rankings matter?
Answer: It seems it doesn't matter much in western countries by looking at their comments, in India it doesn't matter while taking job interviews but people are overhyped about universities with high rankings and in countries like South Korea maybe it matters very much, this is what I think after watching videos from a UA-cam channel named Asian Boss
Its true. In Korea, the college rankings are nearly everything to assess an applicant.
In india it does matter, the FAANG mostly comes to IITs for placement.
(P.s. I'm not saying that anyone from other colleges in india hasn't joined FAANG )
@rishi pael he wasn't from iit, I agree but he had a MBA degree from university of Chicago (9th in US qs ranking).
I'm not saying that only the university matters for the development of career but it matters while looking for job. An average person from a good university has a better chance of getting a job sooner than someone from a lower ranking uni
IITs are the universities which represent india in international..... so it does matter if you are from IIT or Other college.....
what ever you want to do IIT will help you ease your dream with placements all tier-1 colleges are same but when it comes to reputation, funding, research and entrepreneurship IITians have an edge over it, even if you want to study in ivy league universities IIT tag can make a difference.
For the average student, it's difficult to make it into a prestigious university. If you are a future college student, Hiroshi Ono nails it on the head. Figure out what you want to do as a career. The percentage of employers that screen based on the university you attended is rather small. If you don't care about where you're going to work after college, then it's more important that you have succeeded in your college career. A person with a 4.0 from a Division II or III school in the US is WAAY better than barely passing at an Ivy League school, especially if you are looking into graduate school later in your life.
I can only say... CEOs not giving Tech Team Leads technical tests have screwed up many teams. I worked for a Chief of Data that doesn't know what's a SQL file. Half a year in, a quarter of a mil went down the drain purchasing the wrong system. However, CEO didn't know the severity. It's a huge red flag. All that the CEO could see was the Chief has a PhD and worked in management consulting firms.
The true answer is it depends what your course is. If it’s law then yes. But if it’s something like construction management, then it doesn’t matter as long as it’s accredited.
A higher ranking means higher research output that means better faculty that means better education.
the Higher the ranking the higher the competitiveness to get accepted. This means you are more qualified
there's one thing wrong with what Hiroshi Ono says, You don't know what you really want you want to be @ 18 or 19, life worsened for the last 1,5 year, so old skills may not be in demand right now, what's the solution-Adapt to the situation
Resilience. Always. If the past year has taught us anything, it's that those who can pivot will win; those that can't will get left behind. To paraphrase TR, "he who can pivot best, wins."
I’m sure it matters depending on the subject. I studied BA and MSc Development at SOAS. Qs ranks it at 346 world wide but it is ranked 5th in the world for Development. If i was to apply for a job at the UN, a development degree from SOAS will be more sought out over a development degree from, say. KCL, UCL, etc (i’m not actually sure if these unis offer development studies but the point still stands)
How many Unis offer development as a degree? Seems to suffer from small sample bias...
@@willbackwell6229 Not that many at undergrad level, but quite a lot at postgrad
what is development?
Very thought provoking talk. A few of them (please forgive the length):
1) Your grades and the school you attended only come to the forefront when finding your first job. After that, your work ethic and results become the forefront. As a hiring manager, if I have the choice between a person who got straight A’s from Harvard with ease or someone who got B’s and C’s from a public uni, I want the latter. I want someone that understands what is needed and what will get the tasks complete.
2) Today, it is possible to get the absolute best education for free. Schools such as MIT and Stanford present their material online for zero cost. Anyone that had the drive to succeed can take advantage of it. This ties in neatly with (1).
3) The pressure on kids and parents today damn near force those with the means to take “side door” approaches to get into top ranked schools. Also, kids whose parents present multimillion dollar “donations” to schools will get in regardless. That blurs the prestige of the uni.
Just my $0.02.
Ranking useful for certain jobs only
yes they do
From what I've seen in a number of threads in which mostly Americans are giving their views on university/ college and from what I've seen from some of my own peers here in college, one of if not the most valuable thing(s) one should cultivate during their post secondary school education is /are skills. I've seen a number of Americans write stuff like 'don't go to college, save money and learn a trade first, get an income, learn how to do something valuable that people will pay you for and then later in life you could pursue further studies'. If I've understood them correctly they're trying to say that it's not so much about the paper that you get at the end of your four or 7 years, it's your competence, your abilities, what you can actually do. I'm in a degree program myself, but I am interested in learning practical skills to supplement the theoretical knowledge I'm learning. This makes me content that despite the fact I'm at a school that's out of the league of those top ivy leagues, and I may not have exposure to the same stuff they have, the math is the same here as there, the physics is the same, the economics etc is the same, and so the onus is on the individual to cultivate skills, wherever they are, Harvard or some college in a third world country.
You sound like a great student.
I had the choice to go to a top world 150 university but choose a 500 ranked one as the better one didnt do the degree i want
same! Except my case wasnt as extreme as yours. I sacrificed a university with a ranking of 520 to go to a university with a ranking of 601 because i liked the course over her more.
@@dishanttank5419 at the end of the day if your in it for the long haul ie to go onto masters then phd your undergraduate ranking is not important it just needs to have the best range of skills then you can worry about going to better schools for the msc and phd
@@dishanttank5419 are you going to ulster university as i picked that over Queens
On the chart at 6:26, are the people evaluating resumes just for jobs in the US or worldwide?
I'm guessing his research focuses on Japan and/or Asia (Update: the research he cites I believe is cited in the book Pedigree by Lauren Rivera from 2015) . I haven't heard of anyone being asked about grades in the US (Update: although I cite a NACE survey quoted in Forbes lower in this thread, which seems to support his assertion.)
To be fair, it's still worth noting that getting good grades is important to potentially internships and grad school (including law school and MBAs). Not to mention, the concepts themselves help shape your career trajectory, along with the skills learned along the way.
@@nathanketsdever3150 I have - not to your face, but I have come across this question usually just “GPA” - quite a few times in certain job applications. always the large conglomerates or fancy consulting firms (or trying to appear as one of the above), of course.
BMW to Honda is comparable to the difference between ivy schools and a lot of top tied public schools, the way of how kids got enrolled and how financial aid awarded is making the glory of ivys gone, sooner or later rank of school will not matter as much as programs rank of the school.
Hugely important. In UK we have Russell group universities and Ivy league in US.
Yeah Im a uk student jobs literally state they want Russel uni students only which is crazy
@@abz7800 not crazy. They want the best. OXBRIDGE, EDINBURGH, YORK, DURHAM, BRISTOL, Warwick, etc
@@abz7800 too many people going to university so need to be selective
@@dac8939 yeah I know there’s so many Graduates getting into a good uni is better than getting a first in your degree it’s harder to get uni a good undergrad than graduate
i spent 15 minutes to get the answer YES, IT DOES.
Interesting talk, would’ve wanted to know if research have been done on people who study at these high-ranking universities have had a better quality education as those who doesn’t rank as high?
I would say the top percent at elite places clearly outperform...but the average elite student versus top of the class community college students for example are about the same. The difference would just come down to networking and connections for their future, but for baseline education they're probably the same. Besides that, I think all top 50 US university educations are comparable.
He basically just said that they matter and influence your life in a substantial manner.
That's right , I like it when you explained how important it is to control this and not letting it control us , It's also funny that Harvard student may end up working as employees on some companies with students who graduated from the OTHER universities . Here we ask again is it the schools prestige or the person's passion which REALLY matter ?
I had a friend years ago who gave up Harvard to attend Brooklyn College. The offer was simply better.
it doesn’t, you can still find a job depending on your grade. the university you go to is just the bonus, not a guarantee.
I mean absolutely yes. Not to mention he went to Chicago…
Your school is a good example. People in US always argue Chicago vs Northwestern in the area. Outside US no one has heard of Northwestern and many have heard UChicago
@@uropy Chicago comes up ahead of Northwestern always.
When do we talk about smart students who CAN get into prestigious schools but cannot afford it (and go somewhere less expensive but also less prestigious)? They loose out on the job market, but at least they’re not in debt…maybe.
Very important ...👍👏👏
If all universities cost around the same value then yes university rankings would be a great tool to use to differentiate productivity some people dont go to yop schools cause they cant afford top schools not cause they arent good enougj to get into top schools
Yes in INDIA they matter a lot.
Ofcourse.
- NAAC