Your competitive career is extended by decades compared to most other combat sports. Power can always be added to a strike, placement, timing and ring craft is acquired thru practise and sparring. Climbing into a Muay Thai ring over 40 is def not for me. Allez
Very interesting and valid point, I do boxing and Dutch kickboxing and injuries from heavy sparring is a real problem so mostly we do " light " contact, a bit like what you are saying about assuat. The issue for me is how to keep the same power mechanics I use in matches/fights that I use in light sparring. I want the same power mechanics but with light contact and this is the knub of the issue. My answer to this is to use limited body mechanics when going light.
Yep, I listen to him and would be great to get a discussion going (Hi Ramsey!) I think my main point is that Savate actually competes using this type of contact as well, which gives it lots of experience and practice. Thanks! I hope your training is going well.
@@LondonSavate I see. That would be good for the sport aspect of mma. It would draw more people to practice. The down side I see is that most fans of the sport seem to like the brutality rather than technical aspect unfortunately. I personally would like to see this extra modality, it would give another path to those who don't want to go full contact in the sport. And more importantly extra fights which translate to additional experience and money. But if it's not popular enough it might not last.
Jon Kavanagh talks about it too, as "Upgrading your software without damaging your hardware" We also see this frequently with Thai fighters in Thailand who do a similar thing, when they fight every few weeks the fights themselves almost become their hard sparring sessions in a way and they use sparring in the gym to work on technique in a way that lowers the risk of injury.
@@eoagr1780 I think the risk you might have with a lower contact version of MMA where you couldn't hit hard is that its likely grappling would just dominate as submissions would allow a fighter a method of finishing a fight with grappling and there would be no real method of a fighter finishing the fight before the bell. Would be curious to see a ruleset that attempted to bridge the two though. If I recall correctly some MMA rulesets designed for non professional fighters limited how hard head contact could be on strikes but allowed harder body contact for example and allowed no strikes on the ground.
Hi James, interesting thank you. However, I am not 100% agree. You are selling "assaut rules" to fighters who want to protect their health and get benefits from an higher training volume. To my mind we should talk about "controlled sparring" as "assaut" is a specific competition rule and questionning the mindset of the 2 partners. To be precise, when a full contact fighter (combattant) spare with a partner in "assaut rules" with "assaut mindset", the pedagogical situation isn't efficient to my mind. The rythme wouldn't be specific and it could affect the combattant's technic. If the mindset is the same, perfect. Controlled sparring with combat mindset = You spare with "assaut rules" while being aware than any strike could be landed with power ;) Regarding :) Jérôme
Thanks for watching Jérôme, an honour to have you contribute. (For the benefit of everyone else, Jérôme was one of my Gant d'Argent examiners). Yes, I concede the distinction you draw between sparring with' 'Assaut rules' and 'Combat, but with the force only implied, not given', when preparing for full-contact. (03:57). The same point is made by others who tell me they already know how to do controlled sparring, thank you ;) My overarching aim here is to introduce people to Assaut ideas and the career-long benefits you can get form learning Assaut rules, whilst still being involved in fighting. I think it is pretty unique, no? Some, if not all, Assaut techniques are transferrable, we can do more of it, and we usually demand that our Savate Combat fighters have an Assaut career first, so to my mind there are some benefits to be weighed when preparing for full-contact, even if they are not complete, or 100% efficient, as you say. Hope to train with you soon!
Some excellent points made on the benefits of controlled contact sparring. Do you find it difficult as a coach to get people to ‘hold back’ in the ring? From that have you any advice as a coach as to how you deal with people who may get carried away?
I find that training often weeds out those who want to be reckless rather than sporting well before they get the chance to spar, so I hope not to give any dangerous ones the opportunity. My advice: keep offering up the virtues of control and see who sticks around. To those whose heart is in the right place but haven't the control: they can learn. With the right intent, the battle is most of the way there.
I think it depends on the student, either its a range/skill issue that can be addressed, fear, if new to combat sports, or just a bad fit sport wise, maybe something harder is more their line.
Controlled sparring has been around in MMA, Muay Thai for a very long time, especially Muay Thai. Good gyms know how to use it a tool, be it body shot only sparring in boxing, keeping open class for prep etc. Nothing new to this, been many a MMA camp I have been in where we minimised full contact to particular parts of the periodisation and used more play as the way for technical drilling. Max Holloway is not the only one who minimises full contact sparring. You are proposing nothing new here, that isn't already in practice in good gyms and camps.
Your competitive career is extended by decades compared to most other combat sports. Power can always be added to a strike, placement, timing and ring craft is acquired thru practise and sparring. Climbing into a Muay Thai ring over 40 is def not for me. Allez
Thanks Mat!
I agree and i like the savate assaut
Very interesting and valid point, I do boxing and Dutch kickboxing and injuries from heavy sparring is a real problem so mostly we do " light " contact, a bit like what you are saying about assuat. The issue for me is how to keep the same power mechanics I use in matches/fights that I use in light sparring. I want the same power mechanics but with light contact and this is the knub of the issue. My answer to this is to use limited body mechanics when going light.
Je ne comprends pas l'anglais mais j'apprécie vos vidéos, c'est toujours intéressant.
Merci Quentin. Je pourrais faire des videos en 2 langues!
There’s an mma channel that actually advocates for this type of sparring. Ramsey Dewy.
Yep, I listen to him and would be great to get a discussion going (Hi Ramsey!)
I think my main point is that Savate actually competes using this type of contact as well, which gives it lots of experience and practice.
Thanks! I hope your training is going well.
@@LondonSavate I see. That would be good for the sport aspect of mma. It would draw more people to practice. The down side I see is that most fans of the sport seem to like the brutality rather than technical aspect unfortunately.
I personally would like to see this extra modality, it would give another path to those who don't want to go full contact in the sport. And more importantly extra fights which translate to additional experience and money.
But if it's not popular enough it might not last.
@@eoagr1780 I think you put it excellently. I agree. Let's celebrate the skill and the extra health that can be had with no-power competition.
Jon Kavanagh talks about it too, as "Upgrading your software without damaging your hardware"
We also see this frequently with Thai fighters in Thailand who do a similar thing, when they fight every few weeks the fights themselves almost become their hard sparring sessions in a way and they use sparring in the gym to work on technique in a way that lowers the risk of injury.
@@eoagr1780 I think the risk you might have with a lower contact version of MMA where you couldn't hit hard is that its likely grappling would just dominate as submissions would allow a fighter a method of finishing a fight with grappling and there would be no real method of a fighter finishing the fight before the bell.
Would be curious to see a ruleset that attempted to bridge the two though. If I recall correctly some MMA rulesets designed for non professional fighters limited how hard head contact could be on strikes but allowed harder body contact for example and allowed no strikes on the ground.
Hi James, interesting thank you. However, I am not 100% agree. You are selling "assaut rules" to fighters who want to protect their health and get benefits from an higher training volume. To my mind we should talk about "controlled sparring" as "assaut" is a specific competition rule and questionning the mindset of the 2 partners. To be precise, when a full contact fighter (combattant) spare with a partner in "assaut rules" with "assaut mindset", the pedagogical situation isn't efficient to my mind. The rythme wouldn't be specific and it could affect the combattant's technic. If the mindset is the same, perfect. Controlled sparring with combat mindset = You spare with "assaut rules" while being aware than any strike could be landed with power ;)
Regarding :)
Jérôme
Thanks for watching Jérôme, an honour to have you contribute. (For the benefit of everyone else, Jérôme was one of my Gant d'Argent examiners). Yes, I concede the distinction you draw between sparring with' 'Assaut rules' and 'Combat, but with the force only implied, not given', when preparing for full-contact. (03:57). The same point is made by others who tell me they already know how to do controlled sparring, thank you ;) My overarching aim here is to introduce people to Assaut ideas and the career-long benefits you can get form learning Assaut rules, whilst still being involved in fighting. I think it is pretty unique, no? Some, if not all, Assaut techniques are transferrable, we can do more of it, and we usually demand that our Savate Combat fighters have an Assaut career first, so to my mind there are some benefits to be weighed when preparing for full-contact, even if they are not complete, or 100% efficient, as you say. Hope to train with you soon!
Some excellent points made on the benefits of controlled contact sparring. Do you find it difficult as a coach to get people to ‘hold back’ in the ring? From that have you any advice as a coach as to how you deal with people who may get carried away?
I find that training often weeds out those who want to be reckless rather than sporting well before they get the chance to spar, so I hope not to give any dangerous ones the opportunity. My advice: keep offering up the virtues of control and see who sticks around. To those whose heart is in the right place but haven't the control: they can learn. With the right intent, the battle is most of the way there.
I also once witnessed a coach pad-work a bully who wanted to spar (hard) out of the class. One of the most impressive coaching displays I've seen.
I think it depends on the student, either its a range/skill issue that can be addressed, fear, if new to combat sports, or just a bad fit sport wise, maybe something harder is more their line.
@@LondonSavate Have seen Senior Students tenderize on occasion in JKA, normally works.
I heard that karate point tournaments is actually based on Savate? Does Savate have a point sparring contests?
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Thanks!
Controlled sparring has been around in MMA, Muay Thai for a very long time, especially Muay Thai. Good gyms know how to use it a tool, be it body shot only sparring in boxing, keeping open class for prep etc. Nothing new to this, been many a MMA camp I have been in where we minimised full contact to particular parts of the periodisation and used more play as the way for technical drilling. Max Holloway is not the only one who minimises full contact sparring. You are proposing nothing new here, that isn't already in practice in good gyms and camps.