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  • When it comes to bleeding your brakes, there are times when you THINK you should bleed, and times when you SHOULD bleed. In this Tech Tuesday Calvin and Truman cover 5 times people think and 5 times people should bleed their brakes.
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  • @pw7752
    @pw7752 Рік тому +58

    Still can't express how much I love these Park videos. Calvin is just great - every problem has a calm solution. Years of experience in action. And Truman is his best partner. Long may they continue.

    • @PetervandaRita
      @PetervandaRita 7 місяців тому

      Yes! It totally agree. Those two are great. And so is Park Tool.

  • @0pvo0
    @0pvo0 Рік тому +21

    I did some bleeding at my clients lately. Tried to induce syncope. Helps well to treat the breathing of bad air. Everyone trusts the barber surgeon

    • @richardhaselwood9478
      @richardhaselwood9478 Рік тому +4

      Did you use the Park Tool LH-1 leech tools?

    • @freakybuzz
      @freakybuzz Рік тому

      A right good purging of miasma always enlivens the nobler humours.

  • @mitchellmtb7202
    @mitchellmtb7202 Рік тому +10

    Would have to disagree on the deadband point. At least with Magura MT7, there is absolutely variability in deadband based on how much fluid is in the system. The less space between the pads and rotors, the less deadband.

  • @herosstratos
    @herosstratos Рік тому +4

    1:30 4:50 And of course the rotor might be worn down too.
    6:00 Moisture should be a concern using DOT (3/4/5.1) fluid, which is hygroscopic.
    8:00 Don't mix bleed kits (for mineral oil / DOT)

  • @Frank-mn4hx
    @Frank-mn4hx Місяць тому

    I've seen videos from Calvin and Truman for years.
    They know how different systems (derailleur / brakes ETC) work and how I can adjust them.
    Or bleed the brakes wehen needed. I did solve two problems on my bike.
    I had a squeeking hydraulic disc brake on the front of my bike.
    After the ideo how to replace brakepads on disc brakes I've taken the wheel and brakepads out and sanded the brakepads.
    Then placed them back. Placed the wheel back and aligned the calipers. After this the squeek is stopped.
    The bike is an Giant E-bike that I've been riding for 3847km.

  • @YuunaAndCuddles
    @YuunaAndCuddles Рік тому +1

    Oh my, great timing. I'm gonna do that to my Shimano MT200 brakes, since it was installed from 3 different bikes, until it landed on my wife's folding bike.

  • @madched
    @madched Рік тому +2

    I had a spongey rear brake lever a few years ago, after bleeding the system it didn't solve the spongey feeling. Noticed that by brake hose bulged when pressing the brake. Found a replacement hose and had to bleed the system again and this fixed it to this day.

  • @matteo.ceriotti
    @matteo.ceriotti Рік тому +5

    I've got two very different bikes, both disc brakes, and in more than 4 years, I never had to bleed them. They've been working flawlessly like on the first day. I've just replaced the pads many times

    • @osasosasosasosasosasosasos7313
      @osasosasosasosasosasosasos7313 Рік тому +2

      Same as my brake 3 years and countinh without bleeding just change pads and topping up some mineral oil at reservoir

    • @rollinrat4850
      @rollinrat4850 Рік тому +2

      You should flush the fluid and bleed your brakes on a regular basis. The fluid get dirty and lessens it's ability to cope with heat.
      DOT fluid brakes in particular will absorb moisture which contaminates the fluid, this brings air into the system.
      SRAM recommends you bleed your brakes more than once a year. Other companies recommend bleeding at least once a year.
      Never forget, these are YOUR BRAKES!
      It's not exactly wise to brag about how you ignore them. Bleeding isn't that difficult either. Flunky mechanics do it all the time.

    • @DR_1_1
      @DR_1_1 5 місяців тому

      "It is recommended that you replace the oil inside the reservoir tank if it becomes severely discolored." Shimano Service Tips.
      Without apparent issues I might think about oil change in 5-10 years.

  • @shelbyhaque1980
    @shelbyhaque1980 11 місяців тому

    Gentlemen: we love
    These videos and find them so useful. As long as the brakes feel crisp, I find it easiest and most efficient to bleed the brakes whenever I need to change the brake pads. On several occasions, I’ve had a brake that feels spongy, soft or pulls to the bar; the problem was not solved by a bleed and it turned out the pads were worn out **or** the rotor was too thin. I am always amazed at the engineering that allows these things to be so dialed that when the rotor is like 0.3 mm thinned out, you can feel it at the lever…

  • @frankthetankricard
    @frankthetankricard Рік тому +9

    Just when I started to forget that I'm never going to be able to buy Trickstuff brakes you guys feature them in a video. I thought I was safe by avoiding any footage with the Athertons in it. :)

  • @paulpatriot1776
    @paulpatriot1776 Рік тому +1

    Awesome channel! Thank you so much. Working on bicycles is pure therapy for me…. And yes, all I use is Park Tools😉

  • @williampotter4930
    @williampotter4930 Рік тому +7

    You two are both entertaining and very informative!!

  • @Foxxxes8855
    @Foxxxes8855 Рік тому

    My MTB had disc brake rubbing issues from the start. 4 different mechanics working in different stores worked on it + myself weaponized with YT video's. We all weren't able to solve it. One mechanic even said that it was the size of the disc. As if all downhill racers come of the mountain as Santa Clauses rinkeling and kinkeling (so I kinda dodge him for now). My discs weren't event that large (180mm). For my roadbike the alignment is easily done by just pushing in an alignment helper tool. Unscrew the bolts, squeeze the brake and then tying up the bolts again. But the MTB kept having issues. It got so far that I even changed the complete brake system to XT but it still keeps rubbing. It's crazy to think that this is a new MTB in the 5000 - 6000 price range.
    So what happens with the MTB is that after (difficult) alignment, just after 1-2 km of riding and a few times braking, the calipers got back to their misaligned position. Event when bolting them very tight. I read about that the mounting surfaces on the fork not being flat could also cause rubbing. The mount facing tools to fix that are very expensive and for just one go I won't buy it. So I brought it to the bikes brand store and they faced the surfaces. After that the alignment was centered, but now after braking the rubbing starts again and then after a couple of seconds (5-10) the rubbing dissapears. Very.. very frustrating. After more braking it's worse than after having ridden a longer piece without braking. So it seems to have something to do with heat, but maybe also with pressure changes. Just before I brought it to the shop I also let a bit of oil out as I read that the pistons cannot retract fully if the brakes are 'overbled'.
    I now ordered my own bleed kit hoping that a new bleed will finally solve this issue by eliminating pressure changes. If it's not that... I guess the only option is to sell the MTB. Everything has been tried.

  • @pwisc2115
    @pwisc2115 Рік тому +2

    The first time that I own a disk brake with a hydraulic system and I always wanted to buy a bike with that but interesting how bleeding the system is so mention over and over and get it done every year or so depending on your riding use. I said interesting because cars have a hydraulic system but never need bleeding ever unless broken lines of course. I will dig into what is causing that bleeding maintenance once a year or so. But the good thing is a bike has a ton of room and it is super light to work with.

    • @DR_1_1
      @DR_1_1 5 місяців тому

      Hydraulic fluid change is also part of car maintenance, but usually less frequently than oil changes.
      On my bike I guess I'll think of it in 5-10 years, since I'm not riding 10-15,000 km a year...

    • @dontworry1302
      @dontworry1302 3 місяці тому +1

      Car brakes absolutely need bleed as regular maintenance. If you look at the brake fluid reservoir, it should be a clear, maybe slightly tinted, liquid. If your fluid is a brownish black, your brake fluid has absorbed moisture and broken down over time. This fluid may work, but heats up and performs worse over time.

  • @microMobilidade
    @microMobilidade Рік тому +2

    When people say its not recommended to turn around your bike to work on it because air will go to your calipers, I tell them “you need a bleedin”

  • @user-lv1qy8ws7c
    @user-lv1qy8ws7c Рік тому +2

    Nice video,and very helpful. Many thanks from GREECE.

  • @lucapiazza9617
    @lucapiazza9617 Рік тому +1

    At the end, you can see that the D.O.T. fluid logo on the bleed kit is worn away (because dot fluid ruins paint) but the mineral oil kit isn't.

  • @merqury5
    @merqury5 17 днів тому

    Well done.

  • @billkallas1762
    @billkallas1762 Рік тому +1

    Thank God for caliper type rim brakes on my road bikes, and "V" type rim brakes on my mountain bike.

    • @billkallas1762
      @billkallas1762 Рік тому +1

      @@RealMTBAddict Because 1) I don't live in the mountains, and 2) I rarely ride in the rain anymore, and 3) I retired from racing, 5 years ago, after 32 years on the circuit.

    • @billkallas1762
      @billkallas1762 Рік тому

      @@RealMTBAddict Why downgrade to disc brakes when you have something that works just as well?...Do you race in the rain?

  • @IlkkaHarmanen
    @IlkkaHarmanen Рік тому

    I literally bled my brakes earlier today because of #1. Thanks @park tool!

  • @MidniteAdventures
    @MidniteAdventures Рік тому

    Good thing to watch this video, I recently switched from mech to hydraulics.

  • @albertjeremy
    @albertjeremy Рік тому +1

    I had a problem with some Shimano brakes where they were fine until I started bombing downhill and then got spongy. After a few minutes on the flats and climb back up, they were fine. After more downhill, spongy again. Bleed fixed it. Must have been just enough air that when it got heated up during the downhill braking, it expanded enough to feel the sponginess I guess?

  • @dianemulholland
    @dianemulholland Рік тому +2

    This was a great one, so useful! Thanks Calvin and Truman 😊

  • @hellogoodbye2279
    @hellogoodbye2279 Рік тому

    Hadn't bled the brakes in 5 years of ownership, did it today and it felt wayyy better.
    Interestingly raw power was similar 🤷‍♂️

  • @josepinchero
    @josepinchero 10 місяців тому +1

    what about a reason one should bleed their brakes is when you put the bike up on its rear wheel and all of a sudden one of your brakes go super mushy/lever to bar? (as being a test of when one should bleed).

  • @edwardojr2838
    @edwardojr2838 Рік тому +1

    Hello park tool crew! 👋

  • @kristofdesi2663
    @kristofdesi2663 Рік тому +1

    Hi Truman!

  • @NelsonSherry
    @NelsonSherry Рік тому +1

    Hi Calvin.

  • @rupedog
    @rupedog Рік тому

    Tuesdays.... At 3:45am...

  • @tomahoks
    @tomahoks Рік тому

    Hi Calvin…and Truman ofcourse ❤❤❤

  • @kaltonian
    @kaltonian Рік тому +1

    thnks guys yet again for another great video, I have bled loads of breaks on cars so I geuss the principal is the same.....yeah ?

    • @parktool
      @parktool  Рік тому

      Very similar but often more finicky than a car.

    • @andygilbert1877
      @andygilbert1877 Рік тому

      Pretty much yeah, bit more care needed but the principle is the same.

    • @dontworry1302
      @dontworry1302 3 місяці тому

      Its always amazing to me how much easier bleeding my car is than my bike.

  • @traingp7
    @traingp7 Рік тому +2

    Once a year at a minimum. Just like a car the fluid gets dirty and breaks down and can cause seals to fail as well as just good up keep. Doesn't take long and you have the knowledge of knowing your fluid is clean and air free if you know what you're doing.

  • @hillclimber4406
    @hillclimber4406 3 місяці тому

    ha I know those guys! I was looking for automotive stuffs lol, been watching alot cyclinng for the algotrythm

  • @a8f235
    @a8f235 Рік тому

    The main thing I hope for is that the industry at some point agree on the best way to bleed hydraulic systems. I'm quite stunned about how much confusion there can be to such a simple process.
    Here's a rule of thumb: *_Believe none of what you hear, and half of what you see._*

  • @cicliolmo7152
    @cicliolmo7152 Рік тому +1

    I have a set of AVID hydraulic brakes on my MTB. Last week I just randomly grabbed the brake lever while the bike was on the wallmount and noticed there was no resistance. I spun the wheel and grabbed the lever and sure enough, the brake pistons were not engaging. No more than an hour later, I tried and again and it worked and was fully functioning correctly. I inspected the brake line starting from the brake lever and followed it all the way to the rear caliper and did not notice any fluid leaks. Might you know why the system wasn't randomly not working initially ? Any comment greatly apprec.

    • @garrettcirrincione3208
      @garrettcirrincione3208 Рік тому

      i've had the same issue and I'm going to copy & paste park tool's response to @Noily on this topic - "Varying deadband points towards a migrating bubble/ small bubbles near the lever. A bleed will help resolve that issue"

    • @cicliolmo7152
      @cicliolmo7152 Рік тому

      @@garrettcirrincione3208 thanks for the reply Garrett. Bummer for me, means I'm gonna have to take my bike into the shop and have them service it.

  • @noily8974
    @noily8974 Рік тому

    My deadband will vary. Sometimes brake lever goes close to handle bar but after release and pull it again, it'll be back to normal

    • @parktool
      @parktool  Рік тому +2

      Varying deadband points towards a migrating bubble/ small bubbles near the lever. A bleed will help resolve that issue.

  • @delinquentdesign
    @delinquentdesign Рік тому

    Whats up Calvin! Thanks for the tips. You too Truman

  • @Nithael_
    @Nithael_ Рік тому +1

    I have been mountain biking for 25 years and I have never bled my brakes on any of my bikes.

    • @DR_1_1
      @DR_1_1 5 місяців тому

      "It is recommended that you replace the oil inside the reservoir tank if it becomes severely discolored." Shimano.
      Mineral oil can last for decades (at normal temperatures)...
      Did you own any SRAM hydraulic brakes?

  • @johnnyboy3357
    @johnnyboy3357 Рік тому +1

    One solution, i ditched hydraulics, reverted back to caliper, hydraulics are only exclusive for mtb downhillers i think

  • @MurrayC
    @MurrayC Рік тому +2

    What about tying the lever back to the bars when you know you've got air but can't bleed them now (no fluid or no bleed kit)

    • @sp00n
      @sp00n Рік тому

      I have to do this regularly, because no matter how often or how meticulously I bleed my rear brake, its lever throw/deadband always creeps up to be longer than that of my front brake.
      I can fix this temporarily by pulling the lever and tying it to the handle bar in the pulled position (which forces the pistons to come closer to the brake rotor, reducing the amount of lever throw/deadband), but this effect diminishes over time (mostly just one ride) and so I'll have to do it again.

    • @andygilbert1877
      @andygilbert1877 Рік тому

      That works well, I use a zip tie & leave them overnight.

  • @sand9577
    @sand9577 Рік тому

    Deadband? Bleeding? Screw that noise! If or...when I switch to disc brake I'll go for cable actuated with compression-less housing.

    • @DR_1_1
      @DR_1_1 5 місяців тому

      Yes, disc brake are a real PIA when it comes to maintenance and settings. They are really more powerful and a bit faster, but I don't see a real need for road bikes, if you can ride at high speeds you should have enough strength to brake with good rim pads.

  • @doylerabjohn3435
    @doylerabjohn3435 Рік тому

    Thanks, Never had disk brakes, the last 40 years. I allways ran rim brakes. I am going to upgrade my trek ( '02 ) ? to disk (was a option then).

    • @ondrejmanych5688
      @ondrejmanych5688 Рік тому +2

      do it, at least in the front. rim brakes are great, but they dont work in rain very well

    • @doylerabjohn3435
      @doylerabjohn3435 Рік тому

      @@RealMTBAddict Thanks

    • @doylerabjohn3435
      @doylerabjohn3435 Рік тому

      @@ondrejmanych5688 Thanks. I am in a hurricane State

    • @ondrejmanych5688
      @ondrejmanych5688 Рік тому +1

      @@doylerabjohn3435 If you ride in rain sometimes, you will feel much more confident with disc brakes. Even the cable operated ones should be good (they dont have that much power as hydros usually, but they are bombproof and they work exactly like rim brakes with cables)

  • @georgeboron9878
    @georgeboron9878 Рік тому

    Nitpicking you Truman. Air is a fluid too. 😉. But......Great information as usual. Thanks guys.

    • @parktool
      @parktool  Рік тому +1

      Oh you're just gassy ;) Good catch.

  • @andrewsiasparks
    @andrewsiasparks Рік тому

    3:40 if your brakes squeak like that you probably missed the bleed window and your piston seals are leaking. Ihat this issue with tektro drako and shimano mt 200s
    Boiling your brakes can also cause a leak at both the pistons and the master cylinder seals

    • @mountaindweller4514
      @mountaindweller4514 Рік тому

      what does "missing the bleed window" and "boiling your brakes" mean?

    • @andrewsiasparks
      @andrewsiasparks Рік тому +1

      @@mountaindweller4514 the bleed window is when contaminants start getting into the system upto where they start leaking.
      Boiling is when the mineral oil or dot get's so hot it boils. The fluid becomes the consistency of water and either bulges the tubing or the fluid gets by the seals.
      If you use metallic pads the heat gets transferred to the calliper then the fluid, the fluid expands and creates pressure. That's why there's a rubber diaphragm in the lever.
      If you use resin pads most of the heat goes to the rotor and causes brake fade

  • @AwesomeAngryBiker
    @AwesomeAngryBiker Рік тому

    Hey Calvin, bleeding didn't solve my prob. My bike was stolen and a bleed didn't help 😁😁

  • @DionLewiis
    @DionLewiis Рік тому

    last week when I was disassembling my brakes for cleaning, I thought I was safe to separate the housing/shell that the pads sit in. As the hydraulic hose went into only 1 side of the calliper I figured that it was just a single piston brake, most of the cars I've had were single piston so didn't think much of a bike only having 1, it is much lighter after all. Unfortunately this assumption was quickly put to bed as when I pulled the outermost side of the calliper away I seen fluid leaking down my forks. I persevered with the cleaning and reassembled, the front brake lever bottomed out on the first squeeze, with no mineral oil to put in I just had to make do with getting as much air out and then closing the res screw, the brake isn't as sharp as the back, but it can still lock up the front wheel if I wanted it to.

    • @yonglingng5640
      @yonglingng5640 Рік тому

      One of my service customers came to me after they tried readjusting the front disc brake by cracking loose what they thought were the mounting bolts, but are actually the caliper body's bolts that hold the two halves together. This mistake costs them a set of new pads (old one was drenched in hydraulic fluid and was barely worn) and a full bleed. Of course, the rotor was cleaned too.

  • @oheso
    @oheso Рік тому

    Hi, Calvin!

  • @oncosurgdoc
    @oncosurgdoc Рік тому

    Hi Calvin! Nice video!

  • @scanningforvideos
    @scanningforvideos Рік тому

    Hi Calvin !

  • @iulianlica6796
    @iulianlica6796 Рік тому

    Hello. First of all I like your channel very much. A lot to learn. Maybe you can advise on what I should try: I have this issue on my Tern gsd: back light not working at all. It is a tail light but also a brake light. None of the 2 ways is working.. . It stopped working after the shop changed the brake pads. Coincidence? I have no idea.... Need to mention I inspecter wire to tai light and all looks fine. (that wire visible; parts are in the frame) . What else should I try before removing wires from frame for inspection? Thanks in advance!

  • @morneauh
    @morneauh Рік тому

    I have noticed the last time that I replaced my brake pads that the piston are getting hard to push back fully in. I guess that's an indication I need to bleed? It's a SRAM with DOT fluid, I heard they absorb moisture over time. So my guess is the system is getting more full?

    • @parktool
      @parktool  Рік тому +1

      That is correct. Its likely that they have taken on additional moisture through the seals and other areas.

    • @rollinrat4850
      @rollinrat4850 Рік тому +1

      Sram brakes are notorious for sticky pistons. Quite often, after just a few short years the seals harden and the pistons don't move freely. Some SRAM calipers will always have one stuck piston while the others move more freely. This makes quiet, rub free actuation and quick and easy caliper alignment almost impossible. Add in poor frame mount prep, lumpy paint, warped rotors and especially poor frame mount manufacturing and you end up with brakes that need considerable work to get them functioning properly. This is what is known as 'tolerance stacking' in the manufacturing/engineering.world. Its is an accumulation of errors in a poorer designed and or poorly built assembly. ALL these issues are quite common for experienced mechanics, even on brand new, high end bikes.
      Scam also often suffer from poor QC and inconsistent or poor manufacturing tolerances.
      Pretty much all you can do, at every pad change, is to thoroughly clean out the inside of the caliper with alcohol after removing pads. Next advance the pistons, use a q-tip or needle oiler to put a bit of brake fluid or tri flow on the pistons. Now use a plastic lever to push the pistons into the caliper. Advance them again and repeat a few times. Clean with alcohol again as the last step. While you do this, attach a syringe with a bit of fluid to the lever bleed port. This will avoid blowing a seal in the levers as you push the pistons back in. As a final step, do a lever bleed before removing the syringe. Bleed SRAM brakes at least twice a year as DOT fluid naturally absorbs moisture.
      SCAM brakes are also well known among seasoned mechanics to suffer from poor QC. I'd be willing to bet they have improper and or inconsistent caliper bore to piston tolerances, but I have not inspected this issue yet. We've been recalling, warrantying and replacing SCAM brakes due to obvious quality issues for over a decade. Even brand new SCAM brakes suffer these issues. The very common sticky piston issues have existed since SRAM brakes were called Avid. SCAM has done zip zero nada to improve their sticky piston issues in all this time.

  • @jp6476
    @jp6476 Рік тому

    Thanks for the video!

  • @bkmontgomery
    @bkmontgomery Рік тому

    Hi Calvin 👋

  • @jackmcandle6955
    @jackmcandle6955 Рік тому +1

    My rear brake lever is closer to the bar than the front, i think its the hose length.and the pads on new sram level TL are thin so im soL In adjusting the lever play

    • @yonglingng5640
      @yonglingng5640 Рік тому

      That sounds like your rear brake line wasn't fully bled. Rear brake lines are usually a little harder to fully bleed than the front.

    • @DR_1_1
      @DR_1_1 5 місяців тому

      Attach an elastic band to keep the lever pressed, and leave it for the night. It should be firmer in the morning.

  • @fouresterofthetrees287
    @fouresterofthetrees287 Рік тому

    I have mechanically actuated disc brakes, TRPs. I assume they can't be bled, but do I ever need to change the mineral oil fluid?

    • @yonglingng5640
      @yonglingng5640 Рік тому

      You must be talking about the HY/RD, which can be bled and yes, brake fluid can get dirty with use overtime, so they still require bleeding.
      Also, try not to have a habit of assuming things. It can get you into trouble one day. I've seen so many riders assuming things left and right, which did get them into trouble.

  • @isouljatoy
    @isouljatoy Місяць тому

    BLEEDUHBLEED 0:47

  • @elnicho1
    @elnicho1 Рік тому +1

    Hey, Did you guys improve your bleed kit? I bought one last year and we had issues with the hose leaking and popping off

    • @parktool
      @parktool  Рік тому +5

      We have made quite a few changes. Reach out to info@parktool.com with images and descriptions of the issues you are having. They will get you all sorted out.

  • @PrzemyslawSliwinski
    @PrzemyslawSliwinski Рік тому

    I have the Formula brakes with the SpeedLock hoses. Does it really work, and I won't need to bleed them after reconnection?

  • @lanehartwig6917
    @lanehartwig6917 Рік тому

    Does anybody else struggle bus on bleeding the lever of Sram's guide series of brakes. Caliper always bleeds no problem, but the lever takes like 20-30 minutes at times. much struggle. I prefer Most Tektro, shimano, and avids, or codes.

  • @babthooka
    @babthooka 7 днів тому

    Hey, fellers! :)

  • @CyclingLifePT
    @CyclingLifePT Рік тому

    Should have thrown a couple of tips for hydraulic v-brakes too. Are these kits compatible with Magura v-brakes too?

    • @yonglingng5640
      @yonglingng5640 Рік тому

      If they have matching threads for the fittings, it should be compatible.

  • @karlInSanDiego
    @karlInSanDiego Рік тому +1

    Regarding annual bleeding for maintenance: not always!
    "All MAGURA brakes use low viscosity mineral oil (Royal Blood) as hydraulic medium. Contrary to DOT brake liquid it does not irritate human skin nor damage the paint off your frame. Biggest asset: It does not absorb water and actually lubricates the whole system. Regular bleeding caused of old brake liquid is therefore not necessary!"

    • @DR_1_1
      @DR_1_1 5 місяців тому

      Same for Shimano: "It is recommended that you replace the oil inside the reservoir tank if it becomes severely discolored."
      Mineral oil can last for DECADES (at normal temperatures).
      If it ain't broke, don't fix it...

  • @ianwilde1800
    @ianwilde1800 Рік тому

    baght a brand new bike the supplier online supplier had popped cover off the reservoirs to put oil in i got bike brakes so spongy was unbelievable took 5 mins with the correct bleed kit but my point being even so called built bikes the mechanics that work on them pretty low quality and the worst thing was the so called bike engineer mechanic spilt dot 4 fluid all-over the levers stripping off the paint was verry disappointed

  • @sepg5084
    @sepg5084 Рік тому +1

    When my brakes heat up from a long descent, the pads start contacting the rotors by themselves and drag even if i am not pulling on the levers anymore. It is as if the fluid expanded from the heat because the situation goes back to normal if i let the brakes cool, but this means i have to get off the bike and walk down the hill for safety until the brakes cool down. Can this be solved by bleeding?

    • @lebensschueler
      @lebensschueler Рік тому +1

      I dont see why different oil would make a difference there. Maybe its an issue of allignment and there is not enough space in between the brake pads and disks?

    • @parktool
      @parktool  Рік тому +2

      How long has it been since the brakes have been bled? In theory it's possible that there is moisture in the fluid making it expand more when heated. As the previous response says it's possible that there is an alignment issue compounding the expansion issue. It's also important to say that a little noise from your brakes like that does not mean you need to get off the bike till they cool. Just keep having a ball going down hill and they will cool on the flats or ascent.

    • @yonglingng5640
      @yonglingng5640 Рік тому +3

      Sounds like rotor warping to me. If your rotors look discoloured (you'll see some purple-blue shades), there's a chance it's warped and will only get worse whenever it's hot. Caliper centering is another thing worth checking too.

    • @cyclelodge3550
      @cyclelodge3550 Рік тому +1

      @@yonglingng5640 yes, Shimano had this issue with its road rotors when they were first released.

    • @DR_1_1
      @DR_1_1 5 місяців тому

      @@yonglingng5640 I just burned my new Shimano SM-RT54 rotor while bedding-in on a steep descent. Strong smell from the pads and the surface in contact with them was brownish. I wasn't even fast, maybe 30-40 km/h max, but repeated at close interval.
      No apparent damage though, they have now turned into a golden/bronze color, with some bluish/blackish reflections.
      Also the model mounted on the stock wheels was Shimano SM-RT10, I'm not even sure which one is better, they are both $10-20 locally, and "for resinpads only"...

  • @MyMTBVideoYouTube
    @MyMTBVideoYouTube Рік тому +1

    That was fun and informative. 😂thank you

  • @paisfr
    @paisfr Рік тому

    Is elementary 😁 Thank you à bientôt 👍

  • @AlbertArt
    @AlbertArt 10 місяців тому

    hehe very helpful video!

  • @isouljatoy
    @isouljatoy Місяць тому

    47 second mark he stuttered

  • @guycohen4403
    @guycohen4403 Рік тому

    I am not sure if I need to bleed my brakes but after every big jump my brake levers suddenly become lose all the way to the handlebar but after a few seconds it return back to normal, I think there is a bubble of air that is traped in a place that normally doesn't affect that much on the brakes but after big jump the bubble move to a different place which make it affect more on the brakes , also the brakes feel kind of sticky and I think the fluid is a bit old so I might change the fluid anyway
    What do you think?

    • @yonglingng5640
      @yonglingng5640 Рік тому +2

      Flush and bleed them. While the lines are empty, check the calipers and levers to work on getting rid of the stickiness.

    • @guycohen4403
      @guycohen4403 Рік тому +1

      @@yonglingng5640 I will try it , thank you 🔥

  • @oliverneubauer7131
    @oliverneubauer7131 Рік тому +1

    Those Maximas tho :drool:

  • @MrGrenadeMcBoom
    @MrGrenadeMcBoom Рік тому

    What's about when the lever becomes firm or actuates earlier in the lever throw after a few squeezes?

    • @sp00n
      @sp00n Рік тому +1

      The fluid might not have had enough time to go back into the reservoir. The more viscous (thicker) the fluid and the colder the environment is, the more pronounced this issue can appear. Some Shimano brakes have (had?) this issue, apparently the bores were a bit too small with the default Shimano mineral oil in cold weather.
      For most people, switching to a less viscous/"lighter" brake fluid resolved the issue (Magura Royal Blood is less viscous than Shimano, there are other brands as well). It may void your warranty though, most manufacturers tell you to use only their brake fluid.
      But whatever you do, never mix up mineral oil and DOT brake fluid, these will destroy your brakes if used in one that was designed for the other.

    • @andygilbert1877
      @andygilbert1877 Рік тому

      That sounds like it needs bleeding!

    • @sp00n
      @sp00n Рік тому

      @@andygilbert1877It depends on the initial state of the lever. If the first squeeze feels normal, and like the other brake, but the amount of travel for the lever reduces after that, then likely there's no air in the system.
      However if the first squeeze feels squishy and with too much lever travel, and the subsequent squeezes brings this back to normal, than very likely the brake needs to be bled, as it's the air in the hose that's being forced back into the reservoir that's causing this behavior.

  • @falcoperegrinus82
    @falcoperegrinus82 Рік тому

    I prefer to call it "bloodletting"

  • @dodginglions5163
    @dodginglions5163 Рік тому

    Great video!…very informative!…sure am glad I got mechanical brakes!…all that bleeding sounds complicated!…😎

  • @bikedude019
    @bikedude019 Рік тому

    Too bad Park Tools distributor sucks in western Canada: delivery time is unacceptable, and combined with limited availability, I turned to other tool brand to wrench my bike.

    • @parktool
      @parktool  Рік тому +1

      Sorry to hear you’ve had a bad experience - we do have four distributors in Canada so feel free to reach out to another one if you need anything else of ours: www.parktool.com/en-us/trade-resources/worldwide-distributors

    • @bikedude019
      @bikedude019 Рік тому

      Thanks for replying! :) Didnt know we had 4. I’ll try others and see how it works. 🔧

  • @ferrrb0
    @ferrrb0 Рік тому

    i knew i shouldnt of let my friends dad bleed my brakes he threw shimano oil all over my brand new disc and brakepads now i need to change that

  • @noelwiebe1996
    @noelwiebe1996 Рік тому

    When my bike is upside down or just wheeling the bike on the front wheel the lever comes all the way to the bar and the pads have no movement. But when it’s upright and riding they feel great should I bleed my brakes upside down?

    • @sp00n
      @sp00n Рік тому +2

      When your bike is upside down, the air goes into the hose, where it causes the problems. In it's normal position, the air should be in the reservoir, where it doesn't (shouldn't) affect the operation of the brake (that's the very reason these reservoirs exist, to provide additional oil due to wear and to trap any air).
      Yes, you have air in your system, but no, you should not bleed it upside down.

    • @yonglingng5640
      @yonglingng5640 Рік тому

      When the bike's upside-down, DO NOT actuate the brakes.

    • @DR_1_1
      @DR_1_1 5 місяців тому

      @@sp00n Can't you just top the oil in the reservoir in this case, without bleeding?
      I'm just curious, I'm still far from having to bleed my brakes.

    • @sp00n
      @sp00n 5 місяців тому +1

      @@DR_1_1 Filling up the top of the reservoir is basically a "quick bleed" and is in fact what I'm doing most of the time.
      You do need some sort of funnel though (like the ones used for the Shimano brakes, but an open syringe will also do), and activate the brake lever multiple times, to force out any air bubbles present in the Retrovir and brake hose. Also shift the position of the brake lever up/down and knock on it with a screwdriver or something, to get these air bubbles moving.
      You most likely won't get any air trapped in the saddle this way, for which you will need to do a full bleed, but most of the time this will already greatly improve the breaking performance.
      Do note however that if your brake pads and/or rotor is already worn, you're basically "overfilling" your brake system this way. Which means that there's a good chance that you won't be able to fit new pads without also opening the bleed screw, because you won't be able to push the pistons back far enough so that they will fit over the rotor.
      It's a minor issue, but you need to be aware of it. I.e. always have the tool to open the bleed screw at hand when you might need to change your brake pads (i.e. on the middle of trail with no one around you).

    • @DR_1_1
      @DR_1_1 5 місяців тому

      @@sp00n Thanks for the details and tips. This is my first bike with disc brakes, and compared to rim brakes it's quite a PITA already... it took me days to bed-in the stock discs, and now I messed up with a new one by doing it in a descent, burning the brake despite moderate speeds - hopefully without damage.
      I'll stick to Shimano's instructions, bedding-in on flat terrain (or with extra care), and bleeding the oil only when it's discolored (mineral oil should last for decades at normal temperatures).

  • @ridedirtymtb9938
    @ridedirtymtb9938 Рік тому

    I bleed mine on all three bikes about every 6 months

  • @sharonmartinez6240
    @sharonmartinez6240 11 місяців тому

    My breaks are releasing a lot of air. How can that be fixed. Very hard for me to stop my Dodge caravan

    • @DR_1_1
      @DR_1_1 5 місяців тому

      Easy fix, buy a Toyota or Honda.

    • @sharonmartinez6240
      @sharonmartinez6240 5 місяців тому

      @@DR_1_1I'm homeless and need a van. I have been trying to purchase a used Honda van but people buy them up so quickly.

  • @anandakrishnanm5560
    @anandakrishnanm5560 Рік тому

    hi Calvin , hi Truman , I found the ceramic pistons of road calipers frozen(one side not moving).because the riders use there bikes occasionally. why it is happening and how to prevent that.

    • @mattgies
      @mattgies Рік тому +4

      Pull the pads and wheel out. Hold down the piston that is moving, by pressing it with a plastic tire lever, while you pull the brake lever. The stuck piston should start moving. Press it back in and out a few times. Then reset both pistons all the way in, replace the pads and wheel, readjust the brake, and you're done. To prevent it you can lubricate the sides of the piston using a cotton swab soaked in the brake's correct hydraulic fluid. But be sure to clean up the excess before any can touch the brake pads or rotor.

  • @Metal-Possum
    @Metal-Possum Рік тому

    If they work well, I leave them alone. If they don't work well, I buy a new bike.

  • @MyKonaRC
    @MyKonaRC Рік тому +1

    Is it even possible to boil the mineral oil in your brake lines? We're not driving cars here or have the brake force the same as a vehicle!

    • @karlInSanDiego
      @karlInSanDiego Рік тому +1

      Yes, heavy rider or cargo bike, riding the brakes on a downhill can overheat brakes.

    • @yonglingng5640
      @yonglingng5640 Рік тому +1

      Especially if you drag on them, which is not how you're supposed to brake.

  • @Steve-jo3cl
    @Steve-jo3cl Рік тому +1

    You should never have to bleed your brakes, a push bike is meant to be a simple mechanism that can be worked on with basic simple tools, and anyone that thinks disc brakes make u stop in a shorter distance needs to go back and learn grade 10 physics

  • @BlackyBrownDestruction9337
    @BlackyBrownDestruction9337 Рік тому

    My bike is just like my car, it slowly bleeds by itself and I have to top it off afew months

    • @yonglingng5640
      @yonglingng5640 Рік тому

      Are there any hydraulic leaks? (I suspect there are, I've never heard of any hydraulic brake line requiring bleeding this frequently)

  • @anotheryoutuber_
    @anotheryoutuber_ Рік тому

    never bleed brakes, either run mechanicals or make enough money to have a tech do it, the juice isnt worth the squeeze.

  • @tettazwo9865
    @tettazwo9865 Рік тому +2

    Hydraulic brakes are a ridiculous gimmick, nothing else.

  • @subforascoobysnack6460
    @subforascoobysnack6460 Рік тому

    When Bob says so

  • @mikerusso3765
    @mikerusso3765 Рік тому

    Hi Calvin!