There is no greater expounder or advocate of “universalism” than Apostle Paul. When the blinkers come off, it's very hard not to see that his writings ooze with God's ultimate victory through Christ. Good thinkers/authors in favour of universalism that have helped me along the way are Robin Parry - " The Evangelical universalist”. Thomas Talbott - “The Inescapable Love of God” and George Sarris - "Heavens Doors, wider than you ever believed”. I would say that Sariss’ book is a good place to start for any newbie who has an inquisitive mind concerning a biblical presentation of “universalism”. Peace
brother Let Us Pray to Jesus by His Grace and Mercy that Universal Salvation is True and Right and Correct We Hope for Universal Salvation to all Even those Who are in Hellfire We Pray and Hope that Eternal Conscious Torment is False and pagan , We Pray that Universal Salvation is True or Annihilationism Ceased to Exist
I agree with you and Chris Carnahan. Our Father is not interested in a relationship with us through someone else! Reading the thoughts of others is good and part of the learning process, but it is always better to go directly to Him and ask, with one on one conversations. Although raised in a church which believed in ECT, my family heard the good news and I began to believe in the eventual salvation of all. I wasn’t 100% sure, and at one time, when I received so much resistance from other Christians, I thought I might be wrong. At the age of 40, I literally cried out to the Lord and asked Him to correct me if I had it wrong. I honestly didn’t care one way or the other, I just didn’t want to be the source of conflict and did not want to misrepresent Him as an elder in the church I was attending. Amazingly, He answered immediately taking me back to an experience I had with Him at age 7. However, He also told me that I needed to see it in the scriptures first before He could explain what I saw at that young age. I wrote about the entire experience, with the encouragement of Thomas Talbott and the help of Robin Perry, in a book called “The Brightness Around Him.” From that point on I have remained 100% convinced of His total victory over sin and death. My belief came as a result of others pointing to His Word, hours upon hours of study and prayer, then hearing directly from Him. Again, I think He is asking us just like He asked His disciples, “Who do YOU say I am?”
bro why majority of christians believe and hold view of Eternal conscious torment? And they are against annihilationism and universalism why? Because of the verse of revelation 11:9-11,Matthew 25:46 its calls Eternal or everlasting punishment Early apostolic father and early church fathers Has a belief View in Eternal Punishment Everlasting fire or Eternal Fire like st. clement, polycarp and Ignatius and justin martyr and st. irenaues but in Annihilationism only arnubios and there are many verses in old and new testament support annihilationism of the wicked or eternal destruction eternal damnation meaning ceased and stop existing Ceased to exist, Annihilation or Conditional immortality is what most Bible have been taught. May Jesus Grace and Mercy Be With Us All
@@johnkristofftimbal5053 It appears to me that many believe in ECT and or the annihilation of the wicked for a few reasons - 1. That’s the way they were taught 2. Poor translations of the Hebrew olam and it’s Greek counterpart aion. With a better understanding of these words, maybe ETC and annihilationism would not be so popular. For me, there are no longer any ambiguities in either testament. As someone else once wrote, Love wins!
@@jimstrahan3271 Thank you bro this is bro vince sarigumba, Pray for me To Be Saved from the Lake of fire together with my mother susa and Pray for me Also that I Will Overcome my sin flesh and to Stop sinning and to Be Set Free from all sins Pray for me bro To Overcome my sins and to Be Set Free from all sin and to be change and transform
@@johnkristofftimbal5053 will do Vince. I will pray with you for you and your mother. If you don’t mind, I will also ask one of my good friends to join us in pray as well. His name is Boyd Purcell. He is a retired minister and counselor, and a close friend of mine.
@@jimstrahan3271 Let Us Pray and Hope to Jesus that Universal Salvation Is True and Right and that All Will be Saved After the consummation lake of fire
Know EXACTLY how you feel.I came out of it beginning of this year...its honestly unfortunate. And when you realize the Bible was never trying to explain that it's unfortunate what people go through mentally because of this doctrine
@@johnkristofftimbal5053 Where does the Bible say people are dying and headed to hellfire as a result of not trusting Jesus? I don't think that's the sin debt he paid for.
@@ttownsupreme2183 Godbless you, my name is vince sarigumba, Pray for me that My Salvation in Christ Will Not lose due to my sin problem and flesh and weakness Pray for me Always together with My Mother Susa Pray for Us that We Will Be Change in our Lives, and Pray for Me That My Salvation in Christ Will Not lose Pray for me Always and my Mother Susa
@@ttownsupreme2183 This is bro vince, Let Us Pray and Hope that Universal Salvation is True and Right and that All Will Be Saved in the End, Pray for me Also that My Salvation in Christ Will Not lose due to sin and flesh and weakness Pray for me that My Salvation Will Not lose and Pray for me that I Will be Change and To Overcome sins in my life
I have had a similar experience. People pricked my interest with their “evidence “. I like you came out of an eternal punishment background, so embracing that God will bring about restitution of all things was certainly a process. I now embrace the “journey” concept, Father is providing realizations that he has taylor made for me. I read peripheral materials on the subject, but have made a conscious effort to also acquaint myself with the Father through more time in scripture. Love grace and peace
May the Lord Saves us All and that universal Reconciliation is truth and at the End All Will be Save Let Us Pray for Salvation of All By Gods Grace and Mercy ,
Philip Gulley's "If Grace Is True" is an amazing book for it grounds belief in universal salvation not so much on scripture or tradition or the Fathers or natural theology, but on everyday experience. Another great thinker is John Hick since his powerful soul making theodicy entails universal salvation.
Having grown up baptist, I had a slow departure as well. For me however, as the analytical engineer that I am, once I allowed myself to follow the truth wherever it led, DBH’s argument became simply irrefutable. Not off putting to me in the slightest.
I total believe everybody will be saved because being saved means being saved from death the 2nd death and salvation is only for few and is for this life only but i might be wrong i believe all will evencially we restored or reconciled i guest the might mean salvation but salvation is for few
It appears to me that the universalism case is a case of God´s gospel in general. And it´s efficacy is a case of God too, a case of Christ & the Holy Ghost. God will reveal in due time to everyone. It also appears to me as if human epistemological abilities & skills play a subordinate role. There are many folks living among us being mentally handicapped & have therefore difficulties to follow sophisticated musings like happening in channels like this. In my life as Lutheran pastor in different congregations & positions, I came to a "sine qua non" condition changing all - any living encounter with the living Godhead will leave an overwhelming effect on the recipient, make his/her eyes watering & put off their lust to talk about him/herself resp. their work like the late ST. AQUINAS who called his former work "straw" & became silent till he passed away... During many years I have become suspicious when it comes to human wisdom, for I am aware of Paul´s mockery in Rom 1:22 - φάσκοντες εἶναι σοφοὶ ἐμωράνθησαν = while professing to be wise, they became foolish! We can clearly see where our Western culture & thinking has brought us - war, hunger & deceit are still among us! And the German bad habit of being keen on titles even in churches can´t hide the fact of Rom 1:22 being true! Not to mention the phenomenon of "rabies theologorum = fury of theologians" taking place in Christian circles worldwide as unkind & nasty insults! I have met the Lord intimately & my eyes are still watering whenever I remember God. And I have freedom to bow my head to keen people with mighty intellectual skills. But I also bow my head to honest & mentally handicapped folks suffering from rare genetic disorders unable to understand what I said! For I consider them the litmus test of God´s love in Christ to this world! And I consider my life as process of becoming human, like God did in Christ, did he nor? Kindest regards & love from Germany! PS: Lovely greetings to CHRIS CARNAHAN too!
@@paulpaulsen7245 I Am Now A Hopeful Universal Salvation ( Universalist ) , and We Hope for the Salvation of All people even to those who are in hell for Universal Salvation Let Us Pray to God by His Grace and Mercy for the Salvation even to those who are in Hell, Let Us Pray to our Lord Jesus Christ by His Grace and Mercy For the Salvation of All Mankind By Jesus Christ Grace and Mercy for Salvation even to those who are in torment of fire, Even to those who Are Now in Torment of lake of Fire, God's Will is that All Shall Be Saved (1Timothy2:4) ( 2 peter3:9), He is Our Creator and He Knows everything from the Beginning He Knows Even if the World has Not yet made and God is our Hope . God is Love and Gehenna and The Lake of Fire is REAL for Chastening and Purification to Remove The Sin of Each Person, GOD IS LOVE and MERCIFUL GOD IS LOVE HE DOES NOT TORTURE AND PUNISH HIS CREATION IN HELL FOR ETERNITY CATHOLIC CULT DOCTRINE AND REFORMERS PROESTANTS ARE THE ONES WHO DOCTRINATED AND TEACHES ETERNAL TORMENT LITERALY, AND ALSO LET US PRAY FOR THE SALVATION TO ALL MANKIND EVEN TO THOSE WHO ARE NOW IN TORMENT OF LAKE FIRE THE PURIFICATION AND CLEANSING FIRE AND LET US PRAY FOR THE SALVATION OF ALL PEOPLE AND THOSE IN THE LAKE OF FIRE BY JESUS MERCY AND GRACE . BY GOD'S MERCY AND GRACE AMEN. GODBLESS
@@johnkristofftimbal5053, to me they appear like the playing children on the marketplace Jesus spoke of in Luke 7:32. They are just PLAYING CHILDREN OF GOD, like all are - PLAYING KIDS! ua-cam.com/video/vDYDS9gOkkM/v-deo.html
@@johnkristofftimbal5053, no, I won´t pray as you said! Why? Because I am proud of my humanity GOD CONSIDERED WORTH TO ASPIRE FOR IN CHRIST! (Christmas we remember God becoming HUMAN IN HIS SON CHRIST!) If any human doubts UNIVERSALISM - fine! It shows nothing more & nothing less appearing TOO BIG TO IMAGINE FOR ORDINARY HUMAN MINDS! Ordinary human minds? Exactly this - ordinary human minds! In reality all appears like this - GOD LIMITS HIMSELF BY HUMANITY & HUMANS LIMIT THEMSELVES BY GOD, A BEAUTIFUL MUTUAL COMPLEMENTATION! Or othewise said - GOD GETS HIS PERSONALITY BY CHRIST BY BECOMING HUMAN & HUMANS GET THEIR PERSONALITY BY CHRIST BECOMING GOD! Any human expression, whether good or bad, appears NECESSARY & ESSENTIAL in order to LEAD TO COMPLETION OF CHRIST! And even in case a human fears HIS ABILITY TO FAIL OR SUCCEED, he/she lives under the aegis of God´s ultimate reality with a name we all have heard of - CHRIST JESUS! I summarize - whether a human BELIEVES OR DOUBTS UNIVERSAL SALVATION is not & never the question! The question of importance is THE ULTIMATE REALITY OF ALL GOD SAID, AND GOD SAID HIS FINAL WORD IN CHRIST & FROM CHRIST IS SAID IN ISAIAH 55:1- so My word that proceeds from My mouth will not return to Me empty, but it will accomplish what I please, and it will prosper where I send it. And for what GOD HAS HIS WORD (= CHRIST) SENT OUT? To save the world! TO SAVE ALL CREATION! TO PERFORM UNIVERSAL SALVATION, INDEPENDENTLY FROM ANY HUMAN WILL, FAITH, PRAYER & OTHER HUMAN FOLDEROL! PS: As a believer appearing weak & imperfect is not a shame, but a necessary step to IMITATE GOD IN BECOMING HUMAN. Kindest regards & love from Germany, my dear John Kristoff Timbal!
There is no greater expounder or advocate of “universalism” than Apostle Paul. When the blinkers come off, it's very hard not to see that his writings ooze with God's ultimate victory through Christ.
Good thinkers/authors in favour of universalism that have helped me along the way are Robin Parry - " The Evangelical universalist”. Thomas Talbott - “The Inescapable Love of God” and George Sarris - "Heavens Doors, wider than you ever believed”.
I would say that Sariss’ book is a good place to start for any newbie who has an inquisitive mind concerning a biblical presentation of “universalism”.
Peace
brother Let Us Pray to Jesus by His Grace and Mercy that Universal Salvation is True and Right and Correct We Hope for Universal Salvation to all Even those Who are in Hellfire We Pray and Hope that Eternal Conscious Torment is False and pagan , We Pray that Universal Salvation is True or Annihilationism Ceased to Exist
I agree with you and Chris Carnahan. Our Father is not interested in a relationship with us through someone else! Reading the thoughts of others is good and part of the learning process, but it is always better to go directly to Him and ask, with one on one conversations.
Although raised in a church which believed in ECT, my family heard the good news and I began to believe in the eventual salvation of all. I wasn’t 100% sure, and at one time, when I received so much resistance from other Christians, I thought I might be wrong. At the age of 40, I literally cried out to the Lord and asked Him to correct me if I had it wrong. I honestly didn’t care one way or the other, I just didn’t want to be the source of conflict and did not want to misrepresent Him as an elder in the church I was attending.
Amazingly, He answered immediately taking me back to an experience I had with Him at age 7. However, He also told me that I needed to see it in the scriptures first before He could explain what I saw at that young age. I wrote about the entire experience, with the encouragement of Thomas Talbott and the help of Robin Perry, in a book called “The Brightness Around Him.”
From that point on I have remained 100% convinced of His total victory over sin and death.
My belief came as a result of others pointing to His Word, hours upon hours of study and prayer, then hearing directly from Him.
Again, I think He is asking us just like He asked His disciples, “Who do YOU say I am?”
bro why majority of christians believe and hold view of Eternal conscious torment? And they are against annihilationism and universalism why? Because of the verse of revelation 11:9-11,Matthew 25:46 its calls Eternal or everlasting punishment Early apostolic father and early church fathers Has a belief View in Eternal Punishment Everlasting fire or Eternal Fire like st. clement, polycarp and Ignatius and justin martyr and st. irenaues but in Annihilationism only arnubios and there are many verses in old and new testament support annihilationism of the wicked or eternal destruction eternal damnation meaning ceased and stop existing Ceased to exist, Annihilation or Conditional immortality is what most Bible have been taught. May Jesus Grace and Mercy Be With Us All
@@johnkristofftimbal5053 It appears to me that many believe in ECT and or the annihilation of the wicked for a few reasons - 1. That’s the way they were taught 2. Poor translations of the Hebrew olam and it’s Greek counterpart aion. With a better understanding of these words, maybe ETC and annihilationism would not be so popular.
For me, there are no longer any ambiguities in either testament. As someone else once wrote, Love wins!
@@jimstrahan3271 Thank you bro this is bro vince sarigumba, Pray for me To Be Saved from the Lake of fire together with my mother susa and Pray for me Also that I Will Overcome my sin flesh and to Stop sinning and to Be Set Free from all sins Pray for me bro To Overcome my sins and to Be Set Free from all sin and to be change and transform
@@johnkristofftimbal5053 will do Vince. I will pray with you for you and your mother. If you don’t mind, I will also ask one of my good friends to join us in pray as well. His name is Boyd Purcell. He is a retired minister and counselor, and a close friend of mine.
@@jimstrahan3271 Let Us Pray and Hope to Jesus that Universal Salvation Is True and Right and that All Will be Saved After the consummation lake of fire
Leaving ECT is like leaving a cult. In fact that's exactly what it is.
Know EXACTLY how you feel.I came out of it beginning of this year...its honestly unfortunate.
And when you realize the Bible was never trying to explain that it's unfortunate what people go through mentally because of this doctrine
@@johnkristofftimbal5053 Where does the Bible say people are dying and headed to hellfire as a result of not trusting Jesus?
I don't think that's the sin debt he paid for.
@@ttownsupreme2183 Godbless you,
my name is vince sarigumba, Pray for me that My Salvation in Christ Will Not lose due to my sin problem and flesh and weakness Pray for me Always together with My Mother Susa Pray for Us that We Will Be Change in our Lives, and Pray for Me That My Salvation in Christ Will Not lose Pray for me Always and my Mother Susa
@@ttownsupreme2183 This is bro vince, Let Us Pray and Hope that Universal Salvation is True and Right and that All Will Be Saved in the End, Pray for me Also that My Salvation in Christ Will Not lose due to sin and flesh and weakness Pray for me that My Salvation Will Not lose and Pray for me that I Will be Change and To Overcome sins in my life
I have had a similar experience. People pricked my interest with their “evidence “. I like you came out of an eternal punishment background, so embracing that God will bring about restitution of all things was certainly a process. I now embrace the “journey” concept, Father is providing realizations that he has taylor made for me. I read peripheral materials on the subject, but have made a conscious effort to also acquaint myself with the Father through more time in scripture. Love grace and peace
May the Lord Saves us All and that universal Reconciliation is truth and at the End All Will be Save Let Us Pray for Salvation of All By Gods Grace and Mercy ,
A good testimony.
Robin Parry is worth checking out and also George Sarris
We Hope that Universalism is True and that God will Save us all Let us Pray for salvation of All and We Hope for that
Philip Gulley's "If Grace Is True" is an amazing book for it grounds belief in universal salvation not so much on scripture or tradition or the Fathers or natural theology, but on everyday experience.
Another great thinker is John Hick since his powerful soul making theodicy entails universal salvation.
The best way to get to the truth is to go direct to the source....God. Then you will know
We're all influenced by something, whether we're conscious of it's presence or not
Is there a link to the full interview here?
I'm putting it out by topics, but I'll make a playlist called "Josh Rasmussen" once all the videos from this interview are out
@@LoveUnrelenting Who does Josh refer to at 2:00? I didn’t catch the name.
Thanks.
@@gfujigo Eric Reitan, co-author of God's Final Victory
Having grown up baptist, I had a slow departure as well. For me however, as the analytical engineer that I am, once I allowed myself to follow the truth wherever it led, DBH’s argument became simply irrefutable. Not off putting to me in the slightest.
this is bro vince sarigumba, Let Us Pray and Hope that Universal Salvation is true and right
I am!
I total believe everybody will be saved because being saved means being saved from death the 2nd death and salvation is only for few and is for this life only but i might be wrong i believe all will evencially we restored or reconciled i guest the might mean salvation but salvation is for few
Does Josh claim to be a universalist?
It appears to me that the universalism case is a case of God´s gospel in general. And it´s efficacy is a case of God too, a case of Christ & the Holy Ghost. God will reveal in due time to everyone.
It also appears to me as if human epistemological abilities & skills play a subordinate role. There are many folks living among us being mentally handicapped & have therefore difficulties to follow sophisticated musings like happening in channels like this.
In my life as Lutheran pastor in different congregations & positions, I came to a "sine qua non" condition changing all - any living encounter with the living Godhead will leave an overwhelming effect on the recipient, make his/her eyes watering & put off their lust to talk about him/herself resp. their work like the late ST. AQUINAS who called his former work "straw" & became silent till he passed away...
During many years I have become suspicious when it comes to human wisdom, for I am aware of Paul´s mockery in Rom 1:22 - φάσκοντες εἶναι σοφοὶ ἐμωράνθησαν = while professing to be wise, they became foolish! We can clearly see where our Western culture & thinking has brought us - war, hunger & deceit are still among us! And the German bad habit of being keen on titles even in churches can´t hide the fact of Rom 1:22 being true! Not to mention the phenomenon of "rabies theologorum = fury of theologians" taking place in Christian circles worldwide as unkind & nasty insults!
I have met the Lord intimately & my eyes are still watering whenever I remember God. And I have freedom to bow my head to keen people with mighty intellectual skills. But I also bow my head to honest & mentally handicapped folks suffering from rare genetic disorders unable to understand what I said! For I consider them the litmus test of God´s love in Christ to this world! And I consider my life as process of becoming human, like God did in Christ, did he nor? Kindest regards & love from Germany! PS: Lovely greetings to CHRIS CARNAHAN too!
@@johnkristofftimbal5053, amen.
@@johnkristofftimbal5053 👍😀
@@paulpaulsen7245 I Am Now A Hopeful Universal Salvation ( Universalist )
, and We Hope for the Salvation of All people even to those who are in hell for Universal Salvation Let Us Pray to God by His Grace and Mercy for the Salvation even to those who are in Hell, Let Us Pray to our Lord Jesus Christ by His Grace and Mercy For the Salvation of All Mankind By Jesus Christ Grace and Mercy for Salvation even to those who are in torment of fire, Even to those who Are Now in Torment of lake of Fire, God's Will is that All Shall Be Saved (1Timothy2:4)
( 2 peter3:9),
He is Our Creator and He Knows everything from the Beginning He Knows Even if the World has Not yet made and God is our Hope . God is Love and Gehenna and The Lake of Fire is REAL for Chastening and Purification to Remove The Sin of Each Person, GOD IS LOVE and MERCIFUL GOD IS LOVE HE DOES NOT TORTURE AND PUNISH HIS CREATION IN HELL FOR ETERNITY CATHOLIC CULT DOCTRINE AND REFORMERS PROESTANTS ARE THE ONES WHO DOCTRINATED AND TEACHES ETERNAL TORMENT LITERALY, AND ALSO LET US PRAY FOR THE SALVATION TO ALL MANKIND EVEN TO THOSE WHO ARE NOW IN TORMENT OF LAKE FIRE THE PURIFICATION AND CLEANSING FIRE AND LET US PRAY FOR THE SALVATION OF ALL PEOPLE AND THOSE IN THE LAKE OF FIRE BY JESUS MERCY AND GRACE . BY GOD'S MERCY AND GRACE AMEN. GODBLESS
@@johnkristofftimbal5053, to me they appear like the playing children on the marketplace Jesus spoke of in Luke 7:32. They are just PLAYING CHILDREN OF GOD, like all are - PLAYING KIDS! ua-cam.com/video/vDYDS9gOkkM/v-deo.html
@@johnkristofftimbal5053, no, I won´t pray as you said! Why? Because I am proud of my humanity GOD CONSIDERED WORTH TO ASPIRE FOR IN CHRIST! (Christmas we remember God becoming HUMAN IN HIS SON CHRIST!)
If any human doubts UNIVERSALISM - fine! It shows nothing more & nothing less appearing TOO BIG TO IMAGINE FOR ORDINARY HUMAN MINDS! Ordinary human minds? Exactly this - ordinary human minds!
In reality all appears like this - GOD LIMITS HIMSELF BY HUMANITY & HUMANS LIMIT THEMSELVES BY GOD, A BEAUTIFUL MUTUAL COMPLEMENTATION! Or othewise said - GOD GETS HIS PERSONALITY BY CHRIST BY BECOMING HUMAN & HUMANS GET THEIR PERSONALITY BY CHRIST BECOMING GOD!
Any human expression, whether good or bad, appears NECESSARY & ESSENTIAL in order to LEAD TO COMPLETION OF CHRIST! And even in case a human fears HIS ABILITY TO FAIL OR SUCCEED, he/she lives under the aegis of God´s ultimate reality with a name we all have heard of - CHRIST JESUS!
I summarize - whether a human BELIEVES OR DOUBTS UNIVERSAL SALVATION is not & never the question! The question of importance is THE ULTIMATE REALITY OF ALL GOD SAID, AND GOD SAID HIS FINAL WORD IN CHRIST & FROM CHRIST IS SAID IN ISAIAH 55:1- so My word that proceeds from My mouth will not return to Me empty, but it will accomplish what I please, and it will prosper where I send it.
And for what GOD HAS HIS WORD (= CHRIST) SENT OUT? To save the world! TO SAVE ALL CREATION! TO PERFORM UNIVERSAL SALVATION, INDEPENDENTLY FROM ANY HUMAN WILL, FAITH, PRAYER & OTHER HUMAN FOLDEROL!
PS: As a believer appearing weak & imperfect is not a shame, but a necessary step to IMITATE GOD IN BECOMING HUMAN. Kindest regards & love from Germany, my dear John Kristoff Timbal!