Check for availability at Ninja direct: ninjakitchen.pxf.io/LuxeCafe (Ninja affiliate link) Compare to Breville machines, at Breville/Sage direct: geni.us/BrevilleEspressoMach (Breville affiliate link) Thanks for watching!
I had an impress and was sent the luxe cafe, and replaced the impress as soon as I figured out the manual steam feature. Theres really no comparison for the price! Ninja upended the market with this thing. Great review!
I really had my heart set on the breville for the look and how it functioned. Almost bought the breville but opted for the ninja due to all these different comparisons on UA-cam. I didn't realize there was a whole world of coffee ☕ people on UA-cam. I'm just a regular coffee drinker who loves a latte once in awhile but hates to pay the price at the coffee shop. While my husband loves his coffee and his lattes a bit more than me. We bought our first machine and I'm learning how to use it. After making 2 failed lattes I got the 3rd one right on so I was pleased with that.i found you on UA-cam testing these two machines out and I'm pleased to say for being a first time owner of an Expresso machine I'm quite pleased I chose the ninja lux. Thank you for all your demos on this.
Tom, I bought the Sage Barista Express Impress in January 2024 because of your videos 💪 and I love it! Now I can say I have mastered the machine; it's truly awesome! You mentioned that changing the temperature on it is very easy. To do this, turn off the machine and press the manual button with the single/double and power buttons simultaneously. Then, choose the desired temperature setting (power button light roast, double shot medium light, single-medium, manual medium dark, and grinding is dark). It's very accurate when you program it. Regarding dosage and ml, in your video, you pressed the button three times for perfect grinding, which is why it wasn't so perfect. When you grind only once, it's perfect, and the ratio will also be perfect in the end. Three-day-old coffee beans, and I'm in heaven! 😂
Thank you again for all your ninja videos. They have been so very helpful as have all your other reviews. I finally feel like I have chosen the perfect machine for us. Can't wait till it arrives in a month or so. Yay thank you ninja for getting it into Europe.
I love mine! Was a bit hesitant because of the influencer shilling. So happy I pulled the trigger on this one. I love a brew coffee for lunch. I love the cold brew for cocktails with some cold foam and coffee liquor. Didn’t have to try the quad shot yet because the normal shot is good enough for me.
Thank you so much my partner works as a coffee barista and we just have a typical keurig so I'm looking for an upgrade for Christmas but I've been stuck on these two thank you!!
Just got mine yesterday I'm fairly new to making espresso at home so this is great for me love it so far . Very easy. By the way great video watched a couple of your videos on this helped me make up my mind keep it up
Great video! I’m buying an espresso machine as a Christmas gift and I was conflicted with the ninja and breville. Definitely will be purchasing the Ninja! Thank you for the detailed comparison!!
I just got the ninja yesterday. It’s my first espresso machine. I love it so far. I haven’t tried all the features. I just make traditional cappuccino and it turns out better than my local coffee shop. My coffee is from Costco, medium roast Mexican coffee. I leave my temp setting on the lowest setting and it’s just perfect for me. I tried the hottest setting and it turned out too acidic for my liking.
It appears that there will come 3 versions of the Ninja to the EU. They are already listed on Amazon ES501EU ES601EU and ES701EU. The ES701EU seems to have some design changes, looks like it no longer comes with a loose tamper but with a lever as well. Looks quite interesting.
Ok, given all the similarity, how about comparing on : ease of cleaning and maintenance, durability and longevity. Are there differences between the 2 products on those factors. Thanks
Ninja seem to be killing it, I am going to get one of these over a Breville/Sage. It's perfect for me who knows a little more about coffee, and can dial in the grind if it's not to my liking, but using their automatic grind as a guide, etc. Then, my fiance who has no patience to learn can just hit a button and get good espresso. Also, a lot of people aren't giving the quad shot a fair shout here. What if I have someone over, and we both want a coffee? Making 2 double espressos at once is such a good ability.
Great review, as always. I'll stick to my Breville Express Impress since my only drinks are espresso based drinks, but this Ninja unit is impressive as hell and great if you do more types of drinks. Looks pretty good aesthetically, and the price is extremely competitive.
It would be interesting to see the learning curve for each. I have a nice espresso machine at home, but it rarely gets used because I travel for work. My family enjoys espresso however they’re not comfortable with using my machine so I’m looking for something simpler.
I have the breville barista pro. If you like to dose and tamp your own shots then you’ll like it more. I like having more control over it so I like it. Someday I’d like to upgrade to a home espresso machine that is closer commercial grade
Just watched this report on the two machines. One question which I really would like to get your feedback on. What is the Ninja like to clean, long term? Thanks
For me, it would be durability. From experience Ive seen multiple De Longhi and breville go in the 50k+ espresso before going down. I am unsure how the ninja will go in a few years. With that said, I have always been quite impressed with Ninja quality. Our 150$ blender kit outlasted SEVERAL other blenders that were 4x de price. Just got a new La Specialista Opera Espresso Machine with Cold Brew from De'Longhi (well receiving it in 2 day) as a replacement for our Brevile 870XL that started leaking after 5 years (we could repair it but wanted to change it up :) ). Maybe our next machine will be a Ninja.
Looks like the ES601UK is the most common. There are the ES701UK versions that have a lever tamper like the Sage machine but are also £150 more expensive. Not sure what other differences there are.
@@Hazehill E701 can also provide hot water and has some few more options in espresso but not really better than the E601 which is my favourite. There's also E501 the base version.
@@Lalala-t9f I had the Barista Express Impress and wasn't that impressed ha, with the tamper lever as it made a bit of a mess. I've got the E601 on pre-order with Currys. Im not sure the extra features are worth the extra £150 cost.
Breville Barista is a sturdy proven machine, i've had mine for 10 years using every day and never had a problem... we will have to see the test of time for the Ninja. I have a Ninja Foodi power Nutri not even 2 years old and already having problems with it. So I am a bit skeptical about the Ninja brand.
Made in Japan buy it, made in China move on. My Breville tea kettle and Barista are both around 10 years old too. I would never replace these with a Chinese junk.
While the Burrs may look the same, Can the outer Burr be adjusted on the Ninja? I believe it can be adjusted on the Sage. Does it mean the Sage is giving you 25 grind settings for each outer burr increments while Ninja is not? This would make a significant difference in the grind size resolution you get from each machine especially since the Ninja has to have the grind size for espresso as well as filter coffee within those 25 grind size settings, thus each increments will be big. If Ninja allowed outer Burr to be adjusted, how does the algorithm react in terms of making recommendations for grind size?
Hey Tom, great review as always. I just got the Touch Impress for 923€ to try. I would love your comparison on it vs the Ninja. The Touch Impress has better burrs and i guess better consistency from my experience, at least according to the machine flow assist. I hope you manage to do it before my 30-day return window runs out 😂 My feeling is that at this price and my experience on day one, i will keep it.
I hope Ninja designed this to last. My first ninja smart drip coffee maker lasted about 3 years. Im on my second one. Do you have plans to review any of the Bosch automatic machines?
Thanks for the video Tom, I'm considering the Ninja and this was a great help! How would you rank it compared to the Barista Pro? I saw one for a similar price to the Ninja recently.
what i wish to know is reliability, because ive had issues with ninja products, but ive owned the previous express from breville for years with no issues.
I have breville barisita express but it's about time to get new one. At 1st i was thinking to get barisita pro but now im thinking about ninja. Which one ypu think will last me longer?
@@TomsCoffeeCornerthanks for the reply! In the blog it seemed as if Germany and the UK will be getting a better version than what’s currently available in the USA. I’m holding my breath for a version in the states that has a hot water spout! I’ll wait a couple of months before purchasing in hopes the US market gets this version!
Any news on if and when the 701 version might be available in the US? Thanks
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Feels like Ninja is price dumping with this machine. The amount of features put in this machine is insane, and Ninja is known for good quality appliances, so we can expect the same from this machine. So how did they make this price? I think they try to challenge Sage and DeLonghi on their territory, so they have to give a good price now. I bet in 2 - 3 years Ninja will be around $800-900, so buy it while you can. Great video, Tom, as usual.
there will be improvements. Never buy the first. Patience is a virtue!
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@@gosman949 well, there are not so many things to fix or improve. Hot water dispenser? Well, not so many people need it, especially given this machine does long coffees. What other things? It is already quiet precise, it is already well made, it is already doing well all it is intended to do. Otherwise, yeah, you can wait and see what else they add and at what cost for the customer. In my opinion, this is not so complex as a car, where you really better wait for 1 or 2 years while the producer fixes all issues...
It would be interesting to see how the reliability stacks up on the Ninja as to be honest it looks built to a budget and a tight one at that. Whre the Breville/Sage machines are fairly well established and I would imagine they have itoned out a lot of the issues with their machines.
I like the height of the Ninja between the bottom of the portafilter and the bottom tray. It means you can place a tall travelling mug under it or a decent sized flask.
I have the Barista Express and I honestly don't like it, I think I am going to sell it and get the Ninja Luxe or the Phillips 4300. The Ninja seems very impressive for the money.
Definitely don't get the 4300. The Barista Express or Ninja will provide much better results. If you want a superautomatic, consider the Dinamica Plus.
I have had the Philips 4300 for 4-5 years and gone through 2500 cups. Consistent coffee experience with zero issues so far. My parents also liked it so I gifted them the same model. Mind that I got the machine for a steal, 350€. Now I am looking to get the Ninja Luxe Cafe to upgrade my coffee game once it gets released in Europe.
I had the Phillips and hated it. After less than a year it broke and sent it in to get it fixed and it broke again. I bought the ninja and I absolutely love it
Hi Tom, you mentioned a version coming out with the hot water dispenser with the Luxe. Any idea when this is coming and how much more it may cost in the US? Thanks.
I don't know, but I guess in the next couple of months. They're constantly out of stock though. So it's hard to know when they'll get enough in to satisfy demand.
Whats the max pressure in the group head while pulling a shot? Ive found the 15-18bar machines are much more inconsistent than the lower pressure machines. Going to 8 bar for me made a huge difference in not just consistency but also quality of the shot.
I'm assuming you can't put the Ninja on a counter with cabinets above, as it is amost 15" high plus one needs to lift up the water reservoir. Pulling it forward on a standard depth counter won't get it enough away from the cabinets to lift up the reservoir. Thus It will need to be on a counter with nothing above. Am I missing something? (And thanks Tom, I've been a fan for a while. You helped me soup up my delonghi which is going to be replaced by either the Ninja or a Breville impress.)
You can pull out the water reservoir and the bean tray without much overhead space. (So as I understand you need less space above than on the sage as you can't fill the beans on the sage one without taking the bean tray out )
@@garrettkarow5924 I mean, the Breville/Sage machines are much more refined, but the Luxe Cafe has worked better for me, in regards to dosing, dialing in, and auto milk steaming. Cheers!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thank you so much, I'm honored and a little star struck right now! I'll get the luxe, though id love to wait it out for the pro model w/ tamping, been searching everywhere for a release date!
Quad shot, finally! A reason to have the espresso come out in two directions making two drinks at once. I never understood having two spouts on a double shot portafilter when I'm putting both into the same drink. They only need to add a hot water spout with a volume setting and it'll be perfect. It's a little slow on steaming compared to the thermojet in the Bambino etc.. but this level of automation with a thermojet is waaaay more expensive. Good job Ninja. Maybe Breville can lower their prices now? (Wishful thinking). I could buy 3 or 4 of these before one Oracle.
Hi Tom! My favorite coffee comes from "Martermühle" 🙂 Love it! I have a Sage Barista Express...but I'm a "I want new stuff guy"...shall I switch to Ninja? I'm not complete sure. The coldbrew option is a big plus - on the other hand, I can make it on my own as I do right now... All the best from Bad Aibling Stefan
Stefan, habe d'Ehre! Yes, Martermuehle is the best I've found in OB for the price. If you already have a Barista Express, I don't think it's necessary to get a Ninja - they're too similar. Cold drinks are nice, and the scale is a great option, but I guess by now you're proficient with your Sage. What might be cool is the new Oracle Jet coming, but that's gonna be expensive. Cheers!
Hey Tom. Sometimes I like to make a decaf coffee, preground Illy decaf coffee. Not great but it is simple to mnually addi it to my superautomatic machine. On Ninja it should be the same. simply skip grind step and just use preground decaf. But i am wondering of this will mess up the autosense feature of the machine and it will start recommending wrong grind setting. Or maybe it is smart enough to ignore brews where grinder was not used? It would be interesting id you could test and make a video. Maybe do a several brews with preground coffee and see if grinder recommendation will change? Thanks and keep up the great work.
That's a good question, I'm going to have to experiment with that. I know it's possible to bypass the grinder, but I haven't confirmed that the software then ignores those extractions. Cheers!
Just got mine. It's my first espresso machine. I've seen people say they didn't like that it doesn't have a single shot basket. Is that important? Is there an aftermarket single shot basket? Great videos thank you for posting
For people who just want to make coffee then the Ninja is pretty good, if you want to learn to make Great Coffee then the Sage/breville is a great machine.
Honestly they're both equally capable in my opinion. Same grinder. Very similar thermoblock. PTFE lines. The Ninja has the heads up though by dosing by weight. I also prefer the way it pre-infuses. Cheers!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner That's my point though, it does it all for you so you don't learn. My Sage pre-infuses as well, and I haven't had the issues with inconsistency, might be because yours isn't pre-infusing properly?
Tom - really great video!! It amazes me that Ninja keeps putting out products that (while not the BEST in their domain) keep producing great results at much lower costs! So... (probably the wrong place to ask, but) what's your favorite espresso machine? (including fully auto or fully manual, regardless of price)? Would love to see THAT video! 😀
As I understand it, the Moka Pot does not have a pressurized basket. It's a perculator style, if I'm not mistaken. Big holes, and a water chamber underneath...
@@TomsCoffeeCorner u can modified moka pot with drill with a 51 mm crown, for hole cut, and u can use non pressurized basket upside down) Now common among China and Thailand. Mokapresso - the name is sometimes found on the Internet. Video with ready moka pot. ua-cam.com/video/6PpD1Aef6dA/v-deo.html
Yep, my Barista is a little bit inconsistent but it doesn't bother me much as coffee it makes is nice. BTW Tom, does your Barista Impress have a programming port behind the tank (a small plastic cover)? I think newer models do. I am making a custom plug and play water sensor for it, I can send you one when done if you wish.
I can't make any guarantees - it's internet chatter. But check about half way down my blog post for some info about the new stuff: tomscoffeecorner.com/ninja-luxe-cafe-premier-espresso-machine-review/
Hello, I'm interested in comparing the warranty coverage of the Ninja Luxe Cafe and the Breville Barista Express Impress. Additionally, could you please tell me about the customer service and repair process for both brands?
I feelthis 500 USD is an introductory price to put it on the radar and compete aggressively. I hope it stays this low, seems to be a great addition to the field.
Ive been thoroughly impressed with the Luxe Cafe. Pretty happy that I can make better lattes than almost all the local coffee shops in my city. Which is great, but also a bit sad.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner We have two cafes in my city that always do a good job with their espresso drinks. The others are either decent or utterly disappointing depending on the day. Surprisingly, two of the most inconsistent are roasters (I know with one of the roasters it's not their beans because one of the most consistent cafes gets their beans from them).
Is there any way I can make a coffee crema with the Ninja? I mean I for sure can with the Barista Express by just grinding coarser and opting for more water flow. I wonder if the ninja will always turn off after 45g or so.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner eventually it could work if I grinded a double shot and let it infuse a quad shot. Not sure if the machine would „allow“ me to though.
@TomsCoffeeCorner , I was able to purchase a Delonghi ECP3630 just over a month ago. I chose this model because I have been watching your videos, and I felt that this was the best option I could purchase for now, given my budget. Your videos and my Delonghi have rejuvenated my espresso passion. I enjoy dialing in the grind and my techniques to create the best espresso I can. I'm hoping I can save up to buy the GCP as I love the build quality of the Gaggia, and I can continue to work on perfecting my espresso technique.
Warranty, build quality, materials used , availability of spare parts, ease and cost of servicing ? Sage/brevelle are reknowned for the things i listed above , with many having devices 10+ years. I suspect the ninja doesnt, but will work excellently for a few years , do you really want to replace something of this price every 2-3 years?. Time will tell if cheaper initial price will pay off or if you take into consderation TCO it is worse.
I hated my Buriata Express because I wasn’t constantly getting good shots.Sold it. Bought a super auto. IF I had the Ninja I’m fairly certain I would still have the ninja.
Check for availability at Ninja direct: ninjakitchen.pxf.io/LuxeCafe (Ninja affiliate link)
Compare to Breville machines, at Breville/Sage direct: geni.us/BrevilleEspressoMach (Breville affiliate link)
Thanks for watching!
Forgot to add. The Pro Model is ES701 and from what I've been able to gather, won't be available until Q1 2025. Hope it's much sooner!
I've had the Luxe Cafe now for just over a month. It's a fantastic unit, no doubt. Very consistent. It's also very easy to use, very intuitive.
I had an impress and was sent the luxe cafe, and replaced the impress as soon as I figured out the manual steam feature. Theres really no comparison for the price! Ninja upended the market with this thing. Great review!
Just got mine and figured out if you put water in the froth cup and set it for steamed milk you’ll get hot water worthy of making tea.
get a kettle you wont regret it
@@lewisyuu 😂😂😂
Just got one in the UK and it seems to have been updated to include a physical hot water button + spout next to the group head.
I really had my heart set on the breville for the look and how it functioned. Almost bought the breville but opted for the ninja due to all these different comparisons on UA-cam. I didn't realize there was a whole world of coffee ☕ people on UA-cam. I'm just a regular coffee drinker who loves a latte once in awhile but hates to pay the price at the coffee shop. While my husband loves his coffee and his lattes a bit more than me. We bought our first machine and I'm learning how to use it. After making 2 failed lattes I got the 3rd one right on so I was pleased with that.i found you on UA-cam testing these two machines out and I'm pleased to say for being a first time owner of an Expresso machine I'm quite pleased I chose the ninja lux. Thank you for all your demos on this.
Hands down, the best comparison I've seen. You could make ice melting interesting.
What a kind comment, thanks so much for your sentiment!
Tom, I bought the Sage Barista Express Impress in January 2024 because of your videos 💪 and I love it! Now I can say I have mastered the machine; it's truly awesome! You mentioned that changing the temperature on it is very easy. To do this, turn off the machine and press the manual button with the single/double and power buttons simultaneously. Then, choose the desired temperature setting (power button light roast, double shot medium light, single-medium, manual medium dark, and grinding is dark). It's very accurate when you program it.
Regarding dosage and ml, in your video, you pressed the button three times for perfect grinding, which is why it wasn't so perfect. When you grind only once, it's perfect, and the ratio will also be perfect in the end. Three-day-old coffee beans, and I'm in heaven! 😂
Thank you again for all your ninja videos. They have been so very helpful as have all your other reviews. I finally feel like I have chosen the perfect machine for us. Can't wait till it arrives in a month or so. Yay thank you ninja for getting it into Europe.
I love mine! Was a bit hesitant because of the influencer shilling. So happy I pulled the trigger on this one. I love a brew coffee for lunch. I love the cold brew for cocktails with some cold foam and coffee liquor. Didn’t have to try the quad shot yet because the normal shot is good enough for me.
I think it's safe to say that Ninja have made a game changer with this one.
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I absolutely love mine
I just ordered the Ninja- I can’t wait to use it
Is it reliable?
@@rajkanakattu938I love mine and haven’t had a problem with it
Rapidly filling my kitchen with ninja gear. Multi cooker, grill…. Looks like another one to come. Awesome experience with it all so far.
Thank you so much my partner works as a coffee barista and we just have a typical keurig so I'm looking for an upgrade for Christmas but I've been stuck on these two thank you!!
Just got mine yesterday I'm fairly new to making espresso at home so this is great for me love it so far . Very easy. By the way great video watched a couple of your videos on this helped me make up my mind keep it up
Thanks #Tom, great review. Picking up my Luxe today, first time buyer of a Barista machine 😊☕🏴
Great video! I’m buying an espresso machine as a Christmas gift and I was conflicted with the ninja and breville. Definitely will be purchasing the Ninja!
Thank you for the detailed comparison!!
I love every Ninja appliance I’ve ever had. ❤
I just got the ninja yesterday. It’s my first espresso machine. I love it so far. I haven’t tried all the features. I just make traditional cappuccino and it turns out better than my local coffee shop. My coffee is from Costco, medium roast Mexican coffee. I leave my temp setting on the lowest setting and it’s just perfect for me. I tried the hottest setting and it turned out too acidic for my liking.
It appears that there will come 3 versions of the Ninja to the EU. They are already listed on Amazon ES501EU ES601EU and ES701EU. The ES701EU seems to have some design changes, looks like it no longer comes with a loose tamper but with a lever as well. Looks quite interesting.
I have the premier and so far, the tamper works perfect. The lever should faster the process but I guess it is fine
One of them, or the two more expensive versions, come with a single shot espresso feature,
Do they have a hot water feature? Like for americano?
How simple is the cleaning? Which is simpler and faster to descale?
Thank you. I'm already looking forward to a comparison with the Breville Oracle Jet.
Ok, given all the similarity, how about comparing on : ease of cleaning and maintenance, durability and longevity. Are there differences between the 2 products on those factors. Thanks
Ninja seem to be killing it, I am going to get one of these over a Breville/Sage. It's perfect for me who knows a little more about coffee, and can dial in the grind if it's not to my liking, but using their automatic grind as a guide, etc. Then, my fiance who has no patience to learn can just hit a button and get good espresso.
Also, a lot of people aren't giving the quad shot a fair shout here. What if I have someone over, and we both want a coffee? Making 2 double espressos at once is such a good ability.
Do you use the same bean for espresso, cold brew and drip? Or do you change out the bean depending on what coffee type you want? Just curious!
Great review, as always. I'll stick to my Breville Express Impress since my only drinks are espresso based drinks, but this Ninja unit is impressive as hell and great if you do more types of drinks.
Looks pretty good aesthetically, and the price is extremely competitive.
It would be interesting to see the learning curve for each. I have a nice espresso machine at home, but it rarely gets used because I travel for work. My family enjoys espresso however they’re not comfortable with using my machine so I’m looking for something simpler.
The ninja wins hands down on simplicity, it's so easy to use that I'm positive your family would have zero issues making a latte
Is it unfare to compare the ninja with the new Breville Oracle Jet? How are they in comparison?
Well, the Oracle Jet looks much fancier, but I'd say it's fair to compare them. We'll have to wait and see.
Been waiting on this video! I can always count on you Tom!! I am absolutely in love with my Ninja Luxe!!
Right on!
I have the breville barista pro. If you like to dose and tamp your own shots then you’ll like it more. I like having more control over it so I like it. Someday I’d like to upgrade to a home espresso machine that is closer commercial grade
Ninja Luxe or Breville Barista Touch for a newbie?
Just watched this report on the two machines. One question which I really would like to get your feedback on. What is the Ninja like to clean, long term? Thanks
Took me until 10:20 to realise you were wearing 2 watches :O
For me, it would be durability. From experience Ive seen multiple De Longhi and breville go in the 50k+ espresso before going down. I am unsure how the ninja will go in a few years. With that said, I have always been quite impressed with Ninja quality. Our 150$ blender kit outlasted SEVERAL other blenders that were 4x de price. Just got a new La Specialista Opera Espresso Machine with Cold Brew from De'Longhi (well receiving it in 2 day) as a replacement for our Brevile 870XL that started leaking after 5 years (we could repair it but wanted to change it up :) ). Maybe our next machine will be a Ninja.
Great comparison. Will replace my Jura Z10 with a ES701. Even it’s a lot cheaper I expect a better performance of the Ninja.
Ninja Café Lux Premier will be available in UK and Germany in October 2024! There will be 3 different versions! ☕💪❤️
Right in time for black friday and christmas 👍🏼🤩
Looks like the ES601UK is the most common. There are the ES701UK versions that have a lever tamper like the Sage machine but are also £150 more expensive. Not sure what other differences there are.
@@Hazehill E701 can also provide hot water and has some few more options in espresso but not really better than the E601 which is my favourite. There's also E501 the base version.
@@Lalala-t9fare there photos of the new versions online that I can view?
@@Lalala-t9f I had the Barista Express Impress and wasn't that impressed ha, with the tamper lever as it made a bit of a mess. I've got the E601 on pre-order with Currys. Im not sure the extra features are worth the extra £150 cost.
Thanks for the review! Keep up the great work :)
Breville Barista is a sturdy proven machine, i've had mine for 10 years using every day and never had a problem... we will have to see the test of time
for the Ninja. I have a Ninja Foodi power Nutri not even 2 years old and already having problems with it. So I am a bit skeptical about the Ninja brand.
i agree. breville is much higher quality. ninja is china junk
You're right that we have to see. I have heard mostly good things for both brands myself. I've not had an issue with either.
Made in Japan buy it, made in China move on. My Breville tea kettle and Barista are both around 10 years old too. I would never replace these with a Chinese junk.
@@Enmesharra92 Breville is manufactured in China. Ninja is too.
So, yeah.
Well I still cannot decide which one to choose. What about the cleaning process between those two?
Thanks for the video as always Tom 🙏🏻
Thanks for the comparation! I have a dilema, Im just an espresso drinker, not late just espresso. Ninja or Gaggia evo pro?
While the Burrs may look the same, Can the outer Burr be adjusted on the Ninja? I believe it can be adjusted on the Sage. Does it mean the Sage is giving you 25 grind settings for each outer burr increments while Ninja is not? This would make a significant difference in the grind size resolution you get from each machine especially since the Ninja has to have the grind size for espresso as well as filter coffee within those 25 grind size settings, thus each increments will be big. If Ninja allowed outer Burr to be adjusted, how does the algorithm react in terms of making recommendations for grind size?
Thank you for this! I was waiting for it since the Luxe Cafe has been released.
Hey Tom, great review as always. I just got the Touch Impress for 923€ to try. I would love your comparison on it vs the Ninja. The Touch Impress has better burrs and i guess better consistency from my experience, at least according to the machine flow assist. I hope you manage to do it before my 30-day return window runs out 😂 My feeling is that at this price and my experience on day one, i will keep it.
I hope Ninja designed this to last. My first ninja smart drip coffee maker lasted about 3 years. Im on my second one. Do you have plans to review any of the Bosch automatic machines?
The comparison of the year is here 😊🙃
Will you be reviewing the Breville/Sage Oracle Jet. That would compare well with the Luxe Cafe. Thanks for the comparison
It's like 4 times the price?!
Thanks for the video Tom, I'm considering the Ninja and this was a great help! How would you rank it compared to the Barista Pro? I saw one for a similar price to the Ninja recently.
I am wondering the same question. Locally I can get a gently used barista pro for about the same price. Which produces a better shot of espresso, Tom?
what i wish to know is reliability, because ive had issues with ninja products, but ive owned the previous express from breville for years with no issues.
can you compare with the breville/sage one touch (I own it in black has the colour touch display)
I have breville barisita express but it's about time to get new one.
At 1st i was thinking to get barisita pro but now im thinking about ninja.
Which one ypu think will last me longer?
Can you tell us more about this upcoming edition? What are the changes, and release timing? I hadn't heard mention of it until this video! Thanks.
Also looking forward for more details!
Check my blog here, about half way down: tomscoffeecorner.com/ninja-luxe-cafe-premier-espresso-machine-review
@@TomsCoffeeCornerthanks for the reply! In the blog it seemed as if Germany and the UK will be getting a better version than what’s currently available in the USA. I’m holding my breath for a version in the states that has a hot water spout! I’ll wait a couple of months before purchasing in hopes the US market gets this version!
I’m wondering if it’s built well and will last compared to my impress. Either way its price is incredible. Hard to believe actually.
Any news on if and when the 701 version might be available in the US? Thanks
Feels like Ninja is price dumping with this machine. The amount of features put in this machine is insane, and Ninja is known for good quality appliances, so we can expect the same from this machine. So how did they make this price? I think they try to challenge Sage and DeLonghi on their territory, so they have to give a good price now. I bet in 2 - 3 years Ninja will be around $800-900, so buy it while you can.
Great video, Tom, as usual.
there will be improvements. Never buy the first. Patience is a virtue!
@@gosman949 well, there are not so many things to fix or improve. Hot water dispenser? Well, not so many people need it, especially given this machine does long coffees. What other things? It is already quiet precise, it is already well made, it is already doing well all it is intended to do. Otherwise, yeah, you can wait and see what else they add and at what cost for the customer. In my opinion, this is not so complex as a car, where you really better wait for 1 or 2 years while the producer fixes all issues...
Yes, I think Ninja is looking Delonghi and Breville straight in the face, and saying, "let's go!"
It would be interesting to see how the reliability stacks up on the Ninja as to be honest it looks built to a budget and a tight one at that. Whre the Breville/Sage machines are fairly well established and I would imagine they have itoned out a lot of the issues with their machines.
What would you prefer vs. the barista pro?
What coffee beans are you using in the video for the quad shot? That looks soooo good!
I think that was this: www.martermuehle.de/m-espresso/
I like the height of the Ninja between the bottom of the portafilter and the bottom tray. It means you can place a tall travelling mug under it or a decent sized flask.
Oh yeah, I can even fit a 30 oz Yeti under there!
I have the Barista Express and I honestly don't like it, I think I am going to sell it and get the Ninja Luxe or the Phillips 4300. The Ninja seems very impressive for the money.
Definitely don't get the 4300. The Barista Express or Ninja will provide much better results. If you want a superautomatic, consider the Dinamica Plus.
I have had the Philips 4300 for 4-5 years and gone through 2500 cups. Consistent coffee experience with zero issues so far. My parents also liked it so I gifted them the same model. Mind that I got the machine for a steal, 350€. Now I am looking to get the Ninja Luxe Cafe to upgrade my coffee game once it gets released in Europe.
@@arturhartwich Thank you for sharing your experience!
I had the Phillips and hated it. After less than a year it broke and sent it in to get it fixed and it broke again. I bought the ninja and I absolutely love it
The tamp assist on the Breville seems lacking?
Cheers for the breakdown comparisons. any idea of when it'll be available in EU/UK? thanks
Should be October :)
Ninja Luxe will be my next purchase, Sadly my Ninja coffee bar is still going strong lol!
The real test will be Durability! Sage already have that in my mind .. I’m sticking with my impress ☕️👍
Hi Tom, you mentioned a version coming out with the hot water dispenser with the Luxe. Any idea when this is coming and how much more it may cost in the US? Thanks.
I don't know, but I guess in the next couple of months. They're constantly out of stock though. So it's hard to know when they'll get enough in to satisfy demand.
Nice comparison, thanks
Does Marter Muehle ship to the USA?
Whats the max pressure in the group head while pulling a shot? Ive found the 15-18bar machines are much more inconsistent than the lower pressure machines. Going to 8 bar for me made a huge difference in not just consistency but also quality of the shot.
There's no manometer, but as I understand it, it aims to regulate at 9 bars.
Could this not be better compared with the Sage The Barista Touch Espressomachine? Not sure which one is better if you compare these
Any plans of checking out the oracle jet at some point
I'm assuming you can't put the Ninja on a counter with cabinets above, as it is amost 15" high plus one needs to lift up the water reservoir. Pulling it forward on a standard depth counter won't get it enough away from the cabinets to lift up the reservoir. Thus It will need to be on a counter with nothing above. Am I missing something? (And thanks Tom, I've been a fan for a while. You helped me soup up my delonghi which is going to be replaced by either the Ninja or a Breville impress.)
You can pull out the water reservoir and the bean tray without much overhead space. (So as I understand you need less space above than on the sage as you can't fill the beans on the sage one without taking the bean tray out )
How does the Ninja Luxe's espresso or cappuccino compare to superautomatics like the Delonghi or Philips?
@@kexray Better. Both on espresso and milk foam creaminess.
Really need help, if price didn’t matter would you pick the luxe cafe, express impress or touch impress?
@@garrettkarow5924 I mean, the Breville/Sage machines are much more refined, but the Luxe Cafe has worked better for me, in regards to dosing, dialing in, and auto milk steaming. Cheers!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thank you so much, I'm honored and a little star struck right now! I'll get the luxe, though id love to wait it out for the pro model w/ tamping, been searching everywhere for a release date!
Did you say they're making a ninja luxe 2.0?
Quad shot, finally! A reason to have the espresso come out in two directions making two drinks at once. I never understood having two spouts on a double shot portafilter when I'm putting both into the same drink. They only need to add a hot water spout with a volume setting and it'll be perfect. It's a little slow on steaming compared to the thermojet in the Bambino etc.. but this level of automation with a thermojet is waaaay more expensive. Good job Ninja. Maybe Breville can lower their prices now? (Wishful thinking). I could buy 3 or 4 of these before one Oracle.
Hi Tom!
My favorite coffee comes from "Martermühle" 🙂
Love it!
I have a Sage Barista Express...but I'm a "I want new stuff guy"...shall I switch to Ninja? I'm not complete sure. The coldbrew option is a big plus - on the other hand, I can make it on my own as I do right now...
All the best from Bad Aibling
Stefan
Stefan, habe d'Ehre! Yes, Martermuehle is the best I've found in OB for the price. If you already have a Barista Express, I don't think it's necessary to get a Ninja - they're too similar. Cold drinks are nice, and the scale is a great option, but I guess by now you're proficient with your Sage.
What might be cool is the new Oracle Jet coming, but that's gonna be expensive. Cheers!
Is there any benefit to using a puk screen with ninja?
Hey Tom.
Sometimes I like to make a decaf coffee, preground Illy decaf coffee. Not great but it is simple to mnually addi it to my superautomatic machine.
On Ninja it should be the same. simply skip grind step and just use preground decaf. But i am wondering of this will mess up the autosense feature of the machine and it will start recommending wrong grind setting. Or maybe it is smart enough to ignore brews where grinder was not used?
It would be interesting id you could test and make a video. Maybe do a several brews with preground coffee and see if grinder recommendation will change?
Thanks and keep up the great work.
That's a good question, I'm going to have to experiment with that. I know it's possible to bypass the grinder, but I haven't confirmed that the software then ignores those extractions. Cheers!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Do you know if it’s possible to bypass with the Impress?
@@pigbenis11 it’s possible on both.
Not sure if this has been asked before. But how does the Ninja Luxe Cafe handle back-to-back shot especially for large groups of people?
I love the sound of my Dedica.
Tom, HomeGoods in USA still have Breville Barista Pro's for $499! Just an FYI.
@@gbriank1 That’s a great price!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner I know! But sadly, it won't last. Once the stock they have is exhausted, that's it.
Just got mine. It's my first espresso machine. I've seen people say they didn't like that it doesn't have a single shot basket. Is that important? Is there an aftermarket single shot basket? Great videos thank you for posting
A single shot would be kinda nice. Ninja is releasing one soon. If you go to their website and sign up they will email you when it becomes available
@@jeremymeehan1919 a single shot basket on its own wouldn't work with this model, it's only programmed for double shots and the luxe.
I only use doubles, so no issue for me. Singles are nice if you want just 9 grams of coffee.
The only complaint I have on the Ninja is no hot water for my Americano. Other than that I would buy one.
For people who just want to make coffee then the Ninja is pretty good, if you want to learn to make Great Coffee then the Sage/breville is a great machine.
Honestly they're both equally capable in my opinion. Same grinder. Very similar thermoblock. PTFE lines. The Ninja has the heads up though by dosing by weight. I also prefer the way it pre-infuses. Cheers!
@@TomsCoffeeCorner That's my point though, it does it all for you so you don't learn. My Sage pre-infuses as well, and I haven't had the issues with inconsistency, might be because yours isn't pre-infusing properly?
Hello
I need help for choosing a machine !
Tom - really great video!! It amazes me that Ninja keeps putting out products that (while not the BEST in their domain) keep producing great results at much lower costs! So... (probably the wrong place to ask, but) what's your favorite espresso machine? (including fully auto or fully manual, regardless of price)? Would love to see THAT video! 😀
I don't have a favorite. I think the prettiest is the Sanremo You though.
Tom hello, what about some video with ur experience moka pot modified with non pressurized basket?
As I understand it, the Moka Pot does not have a pressurized basket. It's a perculator style, if I'm not mistaken. Big holes, and a water chamber underneath...
@@TomsCoffeeCorner u can modified moka pot with drill with a 51 mm crown, for hole cut, and u can use non pressurized basket upside down)
Now common among China and Thailand.
Mokapresso - the name is sometimes found on the Internet.
Video with ready moka pot.
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Yep, my Barista is a little bit inconsistent but it doesn't bother me much as coffee it makes is nice. BTW Tom, does your Barista Impress have a programming port behind the tank (a small plastic cover)? I think newer models do. I am making a custom plug and play water sensor for it, I can send you one when done if you wish.
you've mentioned next version of the Luxe Cafe is coming in the next month? Is that true and when exactly? Thank you
I can't make any guarantees - it's internet chatter. But check about half way down my blog post for some info about the new stuff: tomscoffeecorner.com/ninja-luxe-cafe-premier-espresso-machine-review/
It is confirmed that the Ninja Luxe Cafe will be updated with a hot water dispenser?
Hello, I'm interested in comparing the warranty coverage of the Ninja Luxe Cafe and the Breville Barista Express Impress. Additionally, could you please tell me about the customer service and repair process for both brands?
I think they both have 1 year in the USA, and I believe it's going to be 2 years in Europe, but somebody might want to correct me on that.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner thank you
I feelthis 500 USD is an introductory price to put it on the radar and compete aggressively. I hope it stays this low, seems to be a great addition to the field.
I appreciated the outro because I tried to push it down through the screen several times! 😂
Ive been thoroughly impressed with the Luxe Cafe.
Pretty happy that I can make better lattes than almost all the local coffee shops in my city. Which is great, but also a bit sad.
My sentiments exactly. If you pay attention with a home machine, you can easily outdo cafes with nicer equipment and indifferent baristas.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner We have two cafes in my city that always do a good job with their espresso drinks. The others are either decent or utterly disappointing depending on the day. Surprisingly, two of the most inconsistent are roasters (I know with one of the roasters it's not their beans because one of the most consistent cafes gets their beans from them).
Hi Tom, do you know a tamper that will fit 51mm IMS precision basket? And a dosing ring? I have a neouzo 51mm tamper, won't fit. Thanks.
I use either the Delonghi one, or another generic one. The latter fits really snugly, but that doesn't bother me.
Bonjour , peut-on mettre une cartouche filtrante dans le bac d'eau dans la Ninja Luxe ? Cordialement
Is there any way I can make a coffee crema with the Ninja? I mean I for sure can with the Barista Express by just grinding coarser and opting for more water flow. I wonder if the ninja will always turn off after 45g or so.
@@julius4403 The ninja will turn off after a maximum of a three to one ratio. So, I would say a coffee crema is going to be hard to make.
@@TomsCoffeeCorner eventually it could work if I grinded a double shot and let it infuse a quad shot. Not sure if the machine would „allow“ me to though.
I like Ninja products as I have owned a couple. I'm wondering, though, why I would purchase this machine rather than the Gaggia I have my eye on.
It's just much easier than the GCP. The GCP is not ergonomic, but can make some great espresso when done right.
@TomsCoffeeCorner , I was able to purchase a Delonghi ECP3630 just over a month ago. I chose this model because I have been watching your videos, and I felt that this was the best option I could purchase for now, given my budget. Your videos and my Delonghi have rejuvenated my espresso passion. I enjoy dialing in the grind and my techniques to create the best espresso I can. I'm hoping I can save up to buy the GCP as I love the build quality of the Gaggia, and I can continue to work on perfecting my espresso technique.
I don’t know you guy but the tilted drain tray drive me nuts. Somebody please fix it😮
Nice Delonghi cups Tom 😂
@@newielad Lol, take that, Ninja.
Warranty, build quality, materials used , availability of spare parts, ease and cost of servicing ? Sage/brevelle are reknowned for the things i listed above , with many having devices 10+ years. I suspect the ninja doesnt, but will work excellently for a few years , do you really want to replace something of this price every 2-3 years?. Time will tell if cheaper initial price will pay off or if you take into consderation TCO it is worse.
I hated my Buriata Express because I wasn’t constantly getting good shots.Sold it. Bought a super auto. IF I had the Ninja I’m fairly certain I would still have the ninja.