Advanced HeroQuest - A Long and Winding Road | Collecting Oldhammer Skaven to Restore a Classic Game
Вставка
- Опубліковано 16 тра 2021
- Always Boar Never Boring has a copy of Advanced Heroquest, and one day he plans to restore and paint it. As part of that project, he has decided (rather foolishly) to collect as many of the Oldhammer miniatures from the Advanced HeroQuest and Terror in the Dark rules books as he can. This is an expensive business, so he hasn't got far, but in this video he shows some of his most treasured Oldhammer miniatures.
The miniatures in this video are:
Flench Packlord (C47)
Carver (C47)
Gnawdoom (C47)
Skreth the Ironclad (C47)
Morrigan (ELF1)
#AdvancedHeroQuest #Oldhammer #skaven
Always Board Never Boring produces fresh content on Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays.
If you found this video useful, please consider making a small donation to the channel, using the following link or the clickable PayPal icon in the banner on the channel homepage:
www.paypal.com/paypalme/Alway...
If you're in the UK, you can also help to support my channel by shopping at Element Games with my affiliate link, and using code KEV392 at checkout to get yourself double Element Crystals on your order:
elementgames.co.uk/?d=10189
Don't forget to sub and like, and please check out all this other cool stuff too:
www.alwaysboardneverboring.com
/ alwaysboardneverboring
/ alwaysboardneverboring
www.boardgamegeek.com/user/Re...
Music by James Lloyd. Check out his stuff at:
jnlloyd.bandcamp.com/ - Ігри
I love the old Skaven minis!
as much as I love modern warhammer minis those old jes Goodwin sculpts will always be my favourite skaven
Yeah. They're so good.
I completely agree, those are some of the best Skaven ever made. I have them in my collection too, Gnawdoom is one of me favourite miniatures. I was lucky to find Skreth about a year ago, fantastic miniature.
I have been doing the exact same thing, collecting all the old GW miniatures that appear on the Advanced heroquest box and enemy tokens ect. I only recently finished collecting all the Talisman 2nd edition + expansions miniatures, that costly process took about 3 months, but totally worth it. There is just something amazing about that old GW miniatures, both 40k/Fantasy/Blood Bowl, it's probably just nostalgia? Though I find the older miniatures a pleasure to paint and none of them are ridiculously over sculpted and the smaller scale is just perfect for tabletop gaming.
I love Oldhammer miniatures; I'm also working on fleshing out the rosters for Advanced Space Crusade. They just have so much character, without being overburdened with details that would make them a chore to paint. One of my prize possessions is a complete set of the Heroes for DungeonQuest. There are some great miniatures in there.
Back in 1993 I was working at a GW store and got paid in minis. That is how I collected my Skaven army. Somebody was kind enough to gift me Gnawdoom back then and I will cherish him forever.
Gnawdoom is awesome. I was very happy to get him for my collection.
Love me some old hammer.
Too right.
Yes, yes, yes sir! I applaud your endeavour!
I cannot tell you the joy that this video brought me. I too was a proud owner of this amazing game and an avid collector of 1990 Skaven despite a very limited budget at the time.
Sadly I no longer own much of my old collection but am setting that right by buying a retro Skaven Warcry band, so apologies if we clash on any bids 👍🤘
Oh nice. That's going to have some cool Mordheim vibes to it.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Very much so!
Really like those Skaven, I would like to see a video when you paint them. I also like your long term Advanced Heroquest project. I've been collecting models for Warhammer Quest (1995) for about 20 years now, the idea being to be able to have a themed campaign against most of the different races. So far I have enough for Orcs & Goblins, Undead, Chaos, Chaos Dwarves, Dark Elves, Lizardmen & Skaven. It's something that will never be finished, as there are always some more to collect. Good luck with your project!
That's cool you've got so many races for theming your adventures. It's definitely going to be years of collecting ahead for me, but this isn't really one of those things you set out to "finish" as such. There will be painting for these guys, once I have got through HeroQuest and Space Crusade.
It's a few hundred models in total, and I hate to think what it has cost over the years, best not to think about it. Definitely want to see the painting video, but l really like the Heroquest and Space Crusade stuff as well.
The recasts of the old hero quest skaven clan rats are actually cheaper than newer plastic kits, so I bought a bunch to use as slaves.
This has inspired me to dig out my Oldhammer minis and try and do the same!
It’s really fun, but pains me every time I think about how many of these miniatures I sold for pennies years ago.
Wow, great finds, well done!
I've been doing the same thing for the last couple of months! Although I'm not planning on getting them all just the ones I like. Only recently got into gaming (played space crusade and HQ as a yout) and I can't get enough of HQ and AHQ. Congrats on the 6k subs! :-)
Thanks. Good luck with the collection.
I used to play a lot of heroquest but never advanced. Im buying myself a copy from ebay and plan to try and collect all the old minatures too. I used to buy skaven back in late 80s but no longer have any of my old collection sadly. Old skool skaven are the coolest for sure!!
Building a collection for AHQ is a lot of fun. Quite a challenge though. Good luck.
So cool!
I have plenty of skaven got an original edition of Warhammer quest & models I’ve picked up over the years!
I had a few from 1985 ish in a box with some nice artwork I think. This was pre- Isle of Blood well before
I've got a mostly unpunched AHQ copy … It's clearly not ever been played. Looks like someone opened it and tried setting out the basic dungeon tiles and put together the doors (and promptly snapped several of them) and went back to playing HQ. It's complete for what came in the box. I also have something else interesting. The AHQ Paint Set, unpainted, still on sprues, bottles unopened, missing its brush/ Looks like some of the paints have separated a little but are not dry (they were not stored under ideal conditions so I'm not surprised!) but Ninjon recently did a video that makes me confident that all but the Chaos Black are probably QUITE salvageable.
Probably I won't be using this starter set as my first experience painting though-I'm more likely to get a Reaper set for that. I've managed to paint a little custom stuff with some craft paint, but that's about it so far. Mini painting is a whole different game.
I'll look for a video of you restoring the doors-I would like to do that, but I don't know if I need to try and match up the hinges with the door they snapped off of, but I'll be interested to see what might be done. I think for those doors, the original plastic hinges are so flimsy and so poorly designed I'd rather a functionality restoration than an accuracy restoration, if I'm making sense?
I think quite a few people picked up Advanced HeroQuest because it was widely available (I got mine in Argos!) and because they thought it was going to be more like HeroQuest than it was! It's great you have a virtually unused copy.
And yeah, the doors were a great idea, poorly executed. They tended to snap if you looked at them a bit funny. I'm fortunate to have a complete set of unbroken doors, but that's really quite uncommon because a lot of people just jammed them together and immediately snapped off the nubs. I have one door with a broken hinge but I no longer have the nub. I might have a think about what I could do to restore that one. Magnets might be the answer.
I hope you're painting all these 😍
I will be eventually.
Cool vid.
I have Gnawdoom somewhere in my Skaven boxes. I also have a warlock with pistol and pointing arm who had a run in with a real rat and almost lost his arm.
The warlock with the pistol is a cool model too. Another one that isn't in the Advanced HeroQuest rules but worth having.
Favourite game ever!
I never really appreciated it as a kid, but yeah, I don't think there's any other game that does it quite like Advanced HeroQuest.
That's the real quest.
The quest for mini
It's an endless quest.
Jes Goodwin's Skaven are such great classic miniatures, I've about 20 of them, all assorted ones, but sadly not the most sought after like Throt or Gnawdoom, you lucky sod......
Look up the old Citadel Journals from the 80's, one of them featured the Skaven's debut and is a great find for those collecting Oldhammer Skaven.
Yeah, the spring 86 journal introduced the skaven with the Vengeance of the Lichmaster. All of the Jes skaven are so great.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring I'm lucky enough to have a copy of that journal from that era in my RPG collection, I did scan the buildings at one point to print out and build, I'll have to dig them out off my old hard drives.
Love these miniatures! Gnawdoom is awesome :)
Hey, I have serched the Advanced HQ rulebook cover picture in color for a long time, but never found. We can see this picture in color on AHQ box, I always wanted to find it full size...
They are awesome. Which artwork do you mean? The prototype rules cover was the barbarian from the cover art, but the final rules book featured a horde of skaven under their banner. I don't believe I've ever seen a colour version of that particular art. The person who runs the "Original Warhammer Artwork" channel on UA-cam might be able to help. You might want to hop over their and fire them the question.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring I mean the skavens with banner (rulebook cover). On box bottom we can see it in color (tinted using brown and red tintes). I will continue my search, thanks for the info! :)
@@Cthorthu Oh, of course. I forgot it appears in the bottom corner on the back of the box as well as partially on the side. Good luck with the search!
I feel like Silver Tower actually did a fantastic job of incorporating additional enemies as well, the only difference is that it was sold as an add on, an under-known or under appreciated aspect of the game. Also, I LOVE those Skaven!
Are you also interested in collecting and prepping the HeroQuest expansions, 'Advanced Quest' White Dwarf, etc?
Aside from that I wanted to ask, do you ever consider doing a top 10 list or several? IE: Favorite, Most Fun, Fav Solo, Fav Art. etc?
I know you have said you try and keep your channel a little less personal and a little more informative, but I think at this point you have a pretty strong following of folks who just like to listen to you talk about what you love about the games we love. I know myself, I feel we share many common favorite games and aspects. Many nights listening to somebody reminisce about my favorite games keeps me from binge shopping for new stuff.
Cheers.
Yeah, I had a lot of fun adding extra characters to Silver Tower from the exotic adversaries from the back of the book, the character pack, and the Shadows Over Hammerhal adversary pack.
I can certainly look at doing some list content. I've already started doing a few more things like that (like the recent video on different dice combat systems). I should probably do more lists anyway. The UA-cam algorithm loves a good list!
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Hehe, perhaps we all win then. Oh yeah, that dice mechanic vid was actually really informative!
Advanced Quest :Sobs: That the one version of the boxed game I don't have and they never turn up cheaply, if they ever do turn up, since they were only in production in small numbers during Hero Quest's dying off period, unlike the 1990 release which had over a million copies made!
@@darrenrichardson6146 You can find the manual at Ye Old Inn, I just printed mine out. Aside from that, all you need is some proxies for the 4 different human soldier types.
Nice minis. I think you paid fair prices.
I try to be very patient. The only one I snapped up straight away was Skreth because he is incredibly hard to find and I had to have him.
I have an old Citadel catalog with all the 1999 White Metal minis. In case you need some scans uploaded somewhere.
Thanks. That's really kind of you. I think I have access to all the resources I need at the moment, but I'll keep you in mind. Looking through old catalogues is great fun!
I picked up several of the metal minis that were in the book. More Skaven, a Champion of Khorne and others. Also love the fact this game came with solo rules. I've got all the catalogs with the old figures for Warhammer and 40K. Great game that I'm going to pass on to a nephew most likely. Not now though lol.
There weren’t many games you could play solo back then, so it was a cool addition. The rules were a bit rough around the edges, but they were pretty fun, and the campaign was good.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring The fact you could also add in Hero Quest stuff through the included rules really helped sell our school gaming group on Advanced Hero Quest, we played it for 3 years!
@@darrenrichardson6146 I bet that was fun. It was such a nice game to expand.
Skerth is a mini I've always wanted but could never track down. I'm tempted to just convert one
There's a very similar skaven (c47 Blyte Packmaster) in the same stance, but with a polearm instead of the gun. You could probably work wonders with that one.
The way things are going, collecting Oldhammer/ 40K might be a great way to go.
It’s more relaxing!
I think in years to come the old stuff might be future antiques all the modern stuff nobody will care for it
I sold a really good condition advanced heroquest copy I've had for years on eBay few years ago, I do regret that sale I let it go cheap too .
Oh well hope it found a good home.
When I went to university a very long time ago, I sold every board game and miniature I owned. I've spent the years since gradually reacquiring it for considerably higher prices!
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring The things we do for beer 🍻 money lol
is there an online resource somewhere where you can look up which minis were shown in those Advanced Hero Quest books?
EDIT: I found a page that seems to show the different metal minis used for the AHQ books - I have a few of the Oldhammer undead from that list lying around; I am moving houses right now, but should you be interested drop me a pm and I'll look up which ones exactly (f ex. the officer from the old Nightmare Legion regiment of renown is shown, which I have)
Lost Minis Wiki is an excellent resource. You have to rummage around a bit sometimes.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring see the edit on my original post ;)
Ah, sorry. I misunderstood what you meant! Once you are settled into your new place, if you want to drop me an email (my email is available on the About page of my UA-cam channel) with what you have and the prices you are hoping for, I will take a look. I may be interested in some. Thanks.
Am I right thinking Gnawdoom is a predecessor to Greyseer Thanquol? They look very similar.
They're not supposed to be the same character or anything, they're just both grey seers. All grey seers have horns, because they're chosen by the Horned Rat. Gnawdoom came out in 1986, and at that time pretty much every miniature got a special name, but they weren't like named characters we know today. Thanquol came out in 1993 and is a specific entity with a back story.
Old Skaven was the best! Loved looking at these, brings back so many good memories. Is advance HeroQuest worth buying? I missed advanced HQ after HQ and went straight to WHQ95.
I think Advanced HeroQuest does some very cool things, including stuff that many games still don't do. It has a really grimy, gritty feel as you scrabble to make ends meet. Casting spells uses ingredients, and without ingredients your wizard is useless. Your archers can run out of arrows. When you return to town you can write a will to pass on your treasure to a new character if you die, and you have to pay moneylenders to look after your wealth. It's probably the adventure game that drills into those humdrum elements of being a hero more than any other.
Giving the dungeon master chips that that they could use to deploy named characters or retreat them off the board so they came back later is a neat touch, and gives a sense of personality to the enemies. You are facing these nemeses that keep returning to cause problems, rather than constantly going up against generic bosses. It has a lovely Old World aesthetic, and you get to fight against all kinds of skaven. There's stacks of extra content available online, and you can get all the bits for the incredibly expensive Terror in the Dark expansion online too.
It is somewhat a product of its time. A little clunky at times. There's lots of rolling on charts. The solo rules tend to fall into the "do what you think the enemies would really do" category (which I am fine with). Unfortunately, even badly damaged copies are starting to get a little pricey, and if you try to collect the other enemies like I'm doing the cost gets pretty eye-watering.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoringwow thanks for the thorough drill down on your thoughts on the game, that’s really useful. Sounds like something I would love to play and the depth of the game appeals immensely to me. Would love to get my hands on a copy, so will start scanning eBay for a reasonable copy before it gets unreachable! Looking forward to more contents in the project. Thanks again.
@@lukebroadway2921 There are scanned copies of both the rulebooks and the board tiles around the internet, especially on sites dedicated to Hero Quest if you do a good search, as well as the supplements and White Dwarf's from that era.
Now technically those are all illegal copies but it's a grey area for some folk, as it's an OOP game, never likely to be reprinted dur to copyright issues with the name.
Those old Skaven minis are awesome. Do you think the horned one is holding a crystal ball or a poison globe?
I assumed it was a nicely polished piece of warpstone.
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring Naa its defo a poison globe! Ready to drop in a room and choke the heroes
Death Master Snikcht is the best
I really need a list of the minis required
If you do a google image search for "Advanced HeroQuest Skaven" you will get results for all the skaven unit cards. I think there is at least a partial list of the minimum models needed for the campaign over on Board Game Geek as well.
Great minis. Are you planning on painting them?
Oh, absolutely. But not until I move on to the Advanced HeroQuest restoration proper (or I can't resist the urge any longer).
I have been looking around ebay for old Warhammer minis in the last few days. I would link to a picture of a particular beastman I'm looking for but youtube seems to want to erase my comments when I post a link.
If you want to you can send me the link in the email on my About page. I can keep an eye out for.
Hey,
Can you type the names of the miniatures you showcased here please :)
Doh!!!! I swear I looked before I asked lol. Maybe I was on the wrong window lol.
If you need any other old skaven minis, pm me. There is a video on my channel with my oldhammer army. Great video!
Thanks for the offer. There are so many skaven I want to complete the Advanced HeroQuest roster, but I need to approach it cautiously. I'd be tempted to rush in, but I know it's better to gradually build the collection while working on other projects. I'll check out your video a but later.
Well now you've screwed up all the prices.
I bought almost all the Jes Skaven several years ago thankfully.
When you get around to priming these make sure you give them a good soak and scrub in acetone first, then wash up in soap and hot water, and finally a prime with a non-etching metal car primer. You probably noticed they are rather high in lead content.
The Jes skaven are excellent and slowly creeping up in price all the time. And yeah, these are probably more toxic than poison wind globes - like my mum always used to say, "Don't eat 'em." I've painted some of the 80s and 90s Oldhammer, and after washing with soap and water I've always just used regular miniature primer. What's the benefit of using the car primer?
@@AlwaysBoardNeverBoring That black on them is lead oxide and needs to be removed. Metal primer helps prevent it coming back.
Acrylic paints are often porous enough to let air and some moisture through to the metal underneath or may trap some moisture underneath that never fully dries. This can lead to the lead oxidizing underneath the painted surface and it flakes off with time. With older acidic paints it could even rot the metal away on the mini, though that's pretty rare with modern paints.
An auto primer for metal will prevent all of that because it's designed to fully seal, provided you fully cover the mini with it.
Up to you, but I've seen some pretty nasty stuff happen without proper care.
Acetone will help remove the oxidation that's already on the minis.
@@johnmiddleton4291 Your talking about Lead Rot, yeah, very nasty stuff, it's always worth being weary of handling old metal mini's when you first get them, just in case they have it, your skin will absorb the toxic lead.
@@darrenrichardson6146 Indeed.
I think one of the things that accelerates it in old minis is storage in or on pressboard, particle board, or chipped wood furniture. Something about the adhesives used in that stuff really reacts with old lead.
I read on an old vintage soldier board a few years back about a guy who stored all his old minifigs from the 70s in cheap particleboard drawers and they turned almost to powder entirely. Granted that's probably pretty rare.