At x0.25 speed it's more obvious that the ball did, in fact, bounce twice. My guess is that Farag himself did not realise it, as he is known for sportsmanship (unlike some other players on the tour).
They should show the players and let them decide. If they both agree, move on, if they disagree, get the same ref that called it down to make the decision. Whoever made that call "good" is an absolute idiot
Oh there's definitely no doubt that if Farag knew it was down, he would have conceded. No fairer player in the history of the game. The fault is entirely the video ref's (again) who made the same mistake with Marwan-Dessouky a few months back.
I don't think maturity is a factor. Imagine your opponent was awarded a point they didn't deserve. And then they won another with ac already unfair disadvantage... and then another. And another. It eats into absolutely everyone and anyone
@@TheN00bPolice I see what you're saying, but at the same time it never would've happened to Nicol since replays weren't a thing in his time of prime. He never saw actual footage of his opponent's fault being passed as good/valid
What Momen did was a straight copy of what Asal does all the time. Funny that Asal doesn't enjoy a leg blocking his path to the ball. He does it all the time to his opponents.
Farag could see on the screen that it was a double and still agreed to the wrong decision! That would have ticked me off as well if I was in Elias’ shoes
@@KotaraFail watch the replay with slower speed buddy, it is clear it is a double bounce. If you still couldnt catch the double bounce, go to a squash club and ask around what is a double bounce. You can even show this video to them. If i could, i would meet you up and show you right on your face what is a double bounce.
When you're at full stretch in a rally sometimes you genuinely can't tell if the ball was good or not. I've certainly had that. It's been reviewed and a decision given. Granted its definitely a close one but ultimately people shouldn't be hating farag for how it happened. Elias was annoyed but at that level you've got to just get on with it!
Agreed. Obviously, it was close. The replay seemed like it was good to me. Regardless, you can't mentally check out with one call you don't agree with. Elias allowed the match to be determined on that call....
To be homest, there are only two players I would bet $1000 of my own money wouldn't cheat even if it cost them the match. Farag and Coll. I don't agree with the decision, but again Deigo's lack of mental resilience has cost him dearly again. I say that as a big fan of his.
@@iandoherty9089 Agreed... So, I play racquetball at a very high level and watch most all of the pro squash matches. If squash was more popular here in Houston I would take it up... On one of the recent rqtbll broadcasts, one of the older pro's, who also teaches, talked about how he visualizes getting 1-2 horrible ref calls just before a match. That way, if it actually happens during the match, he is mentally prepared for it....
Is it really all that difficult or expensive to simply record in a faster video speed, as in more frames per second? I don't know, I'm asking. Then it would be so much easier to decide if a ball is double, or down, or out.
It's easy and cheap/affordable to film 5 seconds of high-speed footage, but to cover all the shots in a match you would need multiple cameras filming nonstop for 45 minutes. This they just need the commentators in charge of the slowspeed replays. I don't know what idiot called that ball as good.
It was very clear to me even at this speed. The commentators as well. Its the video ref, Ashraf Hussein - second time he's screwed up on a call like this during a big match, the first being Marwan-Dessouky a few months back.
Once again the video ref, Ashraf Hussein, calls an clear double bounce GOOD, just like he did with Marwan-Dessouky a few months ago. It did not need to be any slower, it was clear at that speed. How many times is he going to be allowed to screw up like this and ruin matches with his incompetency?
I haven't watched the whole match and am sure there is enough blame to go around on both sides, but the trailing left leg from Asal at 11:31 and subsequent shot are borderline criminal.
Asal letting his leg trail way out every shot after the rally where he fell over momen in what looked a genuine accidental collision. Hate to see it, somebody will get injured soon.
@@karthikmurali3407 Good eye. He actual sticks his right leg out for absolutely no reason after his next shot also. I guess there is a reason, but it isn't a good one.
Farag, would call it if he thought it was down, but I think that he felt the ball was good or he wouldn't have used his review, also he's very good at admitting double bounces
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I looked carefully at this slo-mo video review a dozen of times and I must say that though very close, it looks good to me. On top of that, Farag is too honest a player and would have never insisted if he had thought is was down.
That is my feeling as well. If Ali thought it was not good, he would have called it. I watched it at 0.25x several times even during the slo-mo of the replays. Looked good to me.
Seems to be a massive double standard with Ali’s pickup. Fans claiming it’s “not his job” to call it but will also jump onto Asal or Elshorbagy for not calling their balls. Also not the first time farag has done this. Not that he’s unsportsmanlike, it’s just he’s not the golden spotless figure that everyone thinks he is.
Firstly that ball was good. It hits the top part of his racquet as he goes under it. Secondly Diego did not lose the point because the ref stopped the rally. So, why was he so upset?
This is not the first time that video ref make wrong decisions yet PSA is still letting the same problem goes on for years. I suggest to take out the video ref system as this is not helping the sport at all. Im pretty sure many of these wrong decisions affected players during the game. Its just making players more furious.
Straight up, the ball looked good. The minute change in frames on the video makes it almost near impossible to see the point just before Farag catches it, I'm not surprised people are 50/50 on whether it was good or bad.
The key to me is the trajectory of the ball and the amount of backspin rip off the front wall, given that you can see Ali grounds his racket and the face closes over the ball before hitting it. You don't even need to watch up to where he hits the ball given this evidence; there's no way the ball was up.
It might just be a cultural thing - saying they are pathetic isn't helpful. They're still people who are supporting squash which is great! :) Perhaps organisers need to come up with innovative ways of getting crowd engagement for all matchs? You could have an announcement before the match? 'Cheer' signs in Arabic displayed when someone hits a good shot? I'm sure brighter minds than mine could think of something.
@@DoctorWilsonPHD Yeah, but you have a PhD and work with one of the world's greatest diagnosticians, so you're winning at life regardless :). Have a nice day.
Why have the highlights failed to show all of Momens antics? Constantly looking for contact and constantly whining to the ref, pretty disappointing really
He’s always that bad too, just made me realize that he and asal and closer than people think. Only reason people care about asal is cause he’s bigger and stronger.
From what I see, I actually think so too, yet I am willing to concede doubt. Yet many other people here are seemingly 100% convinced it was down. Including the commentators, whom I'd like to point out don't have any super-human perceiving abilities exceeding our own. But I just don't think the video speed is good enough to be 100% conclusive.
@@cscoetzee I'm really not sure why so many people are seeing it as good. I could clearly see the second bounce and a small bounce up off the floor, before the deflection from the racket coming underneath it. Another clue is that you can also see the ball grip and rip downwards off the front wall with all the backspin. Another clue is that his racket clearly hits the ground and closes in the frames before the shot, yet the trajectory of the ball is not flat but pops up relatively high on the front wall.
@@M0odez I again watched the video at the slowest possible speed and now I must admit that I agree with you. I think I can see a small bounce just before the racket slides under the ball. I am happy to believe that Farag was under the impression that it was up and I can somewhat understand that the video ref thought it good. I still don't understand why they don't just record at a faster speed. Is it that difficult or expensive to do?
@@cscoetzee It's pretty close and I must admit I'm relying on my instinct and ball tracking as a squash player to "fill in" some of the gaps between frames. The other evidence is very strong though, and I think taking that into account a lot of people would simply see it differently watching it again. It probably is more expensive than we think to get a "faster" slow mo speed. We can see that for the slow mo they simply take the original footage at live fps and play it slower, meaning they only need one set of cameras for the angles and those cameras are in use the whole time. I'd assume that they've invested as much as they can really afford into these sets of cameras, as they do get good use out of them. However, getting a set of cameras running at say 5x the fps would not only be much more expensive, but the extra fps would only be used a couple of times a match on average at best. Plus, they'd have to have extra IT setup to transmit, process and store the huge amount of data coming in.
@@M0odez Even 2x the current fps would help a helluva lot. I don't think there is a problem these days with data storage, or transmitting that much extra overhead. So we are talking videos that are 2 or 3 times longer, or even 5? That doesn't sound prohibitive to me at all. If storage is really a problem, they can store it temporarily and delete it afterwards. What I don't know is whether different cameras are needed. That could probably be an expensive damper on things.
What a joke the refs are. We've seen it so many times in so many other tournaments. Basically the whole world sees one thing, the refs see something else.. Shame on them.
Really poor mental strength from Elias. If he wants to be a consistent number 1 one day he'll have to work on this, but personally I don't think he has it in himself.
You were only watching a highlighted video and already try to judge a person's mentality. If you could afford, go pay and watch the full match video before even judging what has shown in a short clip.
11:33 pretty much sums Asal's character. He isn't going to change ever. Ali Farag for all his exemplary on court manners cheats occasionally. We know about the Elshorbagy brothers style of play too.I don't know but it has something to do with the manner in which young Egyptian players come up from the junior levels.Extremely competitive with a dark underbelly.
Everyone makes mistakes - even more so when your heartrate is high and in the middle of a close game. Trust in referees might come in to play as well. After all, if the referee is capable of making such an error, perhaps you as a player are too.
@@radicalrodriguez5912 9/10 times you know if its a double by the way you've hit it..but yeah gotta give farag benefit of doubt here since hes normally the best 'behaved' on court.
“Well there’s no Egyptians to support and to clap the strokes”
Savage! 😂
Hahaha yea that was ruthless!
but The Egyptians players are strong, with or without strokes
At x0.25 speed it's more obvious that the ball did, in fact, bounce twice.
My guess is that Farag himself did not realise it, as he is known for sportsmanship (unlike some other players on the tour).
Yep
They should show the players and let them decide. If they both agree, move on, if they disagree, get the same ref that called it down to make the decision.
Whoever made that call "good" is an absolute idiot
Eh? Farag clearly got the racket head under the ball. Good call.
Oh there's definitely no doubt that if Farag knew it was down, he would have conceded. No fairer player in the history of the game. The fault is entirely the video ref's (again) who made the same mistake with Marwan-Dessouky a few months back.
@@foddyfoddy you are not watching the same game. That ball was way down
Farag would never cheat intentionally. He’s one of a few whose genuine
sure, keep dreaming
says you? or you just started watching squash?
Whilst I agree the ball was double, really poor maturity from Elias to let one call de-rail him for the entire match
I don't think maturity is a factor. Imagine your opponent was awarded a point they didn't deserve. And then they won another with ac already unfair disadvantage... and then another. And another.
It eats into absolutely everyone and anyone
@@cookesam6 that’s part of being a champion. No way that would have happened to the mentally strongest players like Peter Nicol
@@TheN00bPolice I see what you're saying, but at the same time it never would've happened to Nicol since replays weren't a thing in his time of prime. He never saw actual footage of his opponent's fault being passed as good/valid
What Momen did was a straight copy of what Asal does all the time. Funny that Asal doesn't enjoy a leg blocking his path to the ball. He does it all the time to his opponents.
The PSA really isn't doing much about the issue, so I don't blame Momen for giving Asal a taste of his own medicine.
Farag could see on the screen that it was a double and still agreed to the wrong decision! That would have ticked me off as well if I was in Elias’ shoes
See the repply buddy, it is clear is not double bound.
@@KotaraFail watch the replay with slower speed buddy, it is clear it is a double bounce. If you still couldnt catch the double bounce, go to a squash club and ask around what is a double bounce. You can even show this video to them. If i could, i would meet you up and show you right on your face what is a double bounce.
When you're at full stretch in a rally sometimes you genuinely can't tell if the ball was good or not. I've certainly had that. It's been reviewed and a decision given. Granted its definitely a close one but ultimately people shouldn't be hating farag for how it happened. Elias was annoyed but at that level you've got to just get on with it!
Agreed. Obviously, it was close. The replay seemed like it was good to me. Regardless, you can't mentally check out with one call you don't agree with. Elias allowed the match to be determined on that call....
To be homest, there are only two players I would bet $1000 of my own money wouldn't cheat even if it cost them the match. Farag and Coll. I don't agree with the decision, but again Deigo's lack of mental resilience has cost him dearly again. I say that as a big fan of his.
it did look a double bounce but unlikely Faraq felt it
@@FinancialFreebo it looked good to me. his racket scraped the floor but he got it
@@iandoherty9089 Agreed... So, I play racquetball at a very high level and watch most all of the pro squash matches. If squash was more popular here in Houston I would take it up... On one of the recent rqtbll broadcasts, one of the older pro's, who also teaches, talked about how he visualizes getting 1-2 horrible ref calls just before a match. That way, if it actually happens during the match, he is mentally prepared for it....
Is it really all that difficult or expensive to simply record in a faster video speed, as in more frames per second? I don't know, I'm asking. Then it would be so much easier to decide if a ball is double, or down, or out.
It's easy and cheap/affordable to film 5 seconds of high-speed footage, but to cover all the shots in a match you would need multiple cameras filming nonstop for 45 minutes.
This they just need the commentators in charge of the slowspeed replays. I don't know what idiot called that ball as good.
It was very clear to me even at this speed. The commentators as well. Its the video ref, Ashraf Hussein - second time he's screwed up on a call like this during a big match, the first being Marwan-Dessouky a few months back.
@@abdiver12 he needs the be kicked from his position, that is absolutely terrible judgement... children would judge that better
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Did the video ref misclick or what? Farag's ball was absolutely not good.
I have watched it many times, even in slow mo and I think its good
@@Benjamin-tm3lp You need new glasses mate
@@raunakmawani9886 It was in fact good. I chatted with the refs after the game and they checked it
@@JW-bs7xp Quite clearly down. Not sure where the confusion could be coming from.
@@simonpatterson793 from your arrogance and bad vision possibly?
Once again the video ref, Ashraf Hussein, calls an clear double bounce GOOD, just like he did with Marwan-Dessouky a few months ago. It did not need to be any slower, it was clear at that speed. How many times is he going to be allowed to screw up like this and ruin matches with his incompetency?
that trailing leg is ruining squash
I haven't watched the whole match and am sure there is enough blame to go around on both sides, but the trailing left leg from Asal at 11:31 and subsequent shot are borderline criminal.
Asal letting his leg trail way out every shot after the rally where he fell over momen in what looked a genuine accidental collision. Hate to see it, somebody will get injured soon.
@@karthikmurali3407 Good eye. He actual sticks his right leg out for absolutely no reason after his next shot also. I guess there is a reason, but it isn't a good one.
Graceful player that Farag is, he should have called the double
Farag, would call it if he thought it was down, but I think that he felt the ball was good or he wouldn't have used his review, also he's very good at admitting double bounces
In those situations sometimes you aren't sure yourself.
@@watching99134 but after replay he should have by his standards
@@jojuraza1462 I don't think the players (or crowd) can actually watch the review
@@gmaq1315 just plain wrong
I imagine Elias saying "Good game cheater" during the handshake.
I am pretty sure Tarek can still qualify - e.g. if Asal beats Coll and Tarek beats Makin.
For those who can't see if the ball is good or down, try to replay in 0.25x speed in UA-cam, then you might get an answer
What's with this new floor? Anyone knows?
New German technology better than the old woody
Player's feedback r +ve
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ASAL IS SUCH A CHEAT !!! IT IS CLEAR THAT HE ACTUALLY HIT MOMENS FOOT, SO HE HAD AN EXCUSE !!! ASAL THE GREAT, THE ALLMIGHTY , WILL HE LEARN !!????
elias se dejo perder por ese punto??? quien me explica que paso?
So the glass floor will be the Wimbledon grass of squash… out of reach for almost everyone
Bruh lol
I looked carefully at this slo-mo video review a dozen of times and I must say that though very close, it looks good to me.
On top of that, Farag is too honest a player and would have never insisted if he had thought is was down.
Holy you should consider go to your eyes doctor.
200% clear double.
Definitely a double lol
That is my feeling as well. If Ali thought it was not good, he would have called it. I watched it at 0.25x several times even during the slo-mo of the replays. Looked good to me.
Nobody likes Asal!!
He is exactly the opposite of Ramy Ashour in his young days!!!
Everyone loves Ramy!!!
I saw videos of Ashour in his earlier days being pretty obnoxious. It didn't last long, but most of the top players had periods of poor behaviour.
Seems to be a massive double standard with Ali’s pickup. Fans claiming it’s “not his job” to call it but will also jump onto Asal or Elshorbagy for not calling their balls. Also not the first time farag has done this. Not that he’s unsportsmanlike, it’s just he’s not the golden spotless figure that everyone thinks he is.
u dum
A guess the difference is that Farag looked unsure and called for it to be checked, rather than trying to front it out
who said Asal changed? he showed that as soon as he's loosing he starts to play dirty again...
When was he losing?
Calling balls good or not good with the benefit of video, should be an entirely objective process 🤷🏼♂️
What’s wrong with asals ears? Is he going deaf? He puts his hands round them 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
If the ball was good which it wasn’t Ali didn’t play the next shot anyway so he should have played on.
Firstly that ball was good. It hits the top part of his racquet as he goes under it. Secondly Diego did not lose the point because the ref stopped the rally. So, why was he so upset?
Asal is the most dirty player
This is not the first time that video ref make wrong decisions yet PSA is still letting the same problem goes on for years. I suggest to take out the video ref system as this is not helping the sport at all. Im pretty sure many of these wrong decisions affected players during the game. Its just making players more furious.
Elias did not know how to recover, but it is difficult to do so when the error is so obvious. Calls like those make squash never become olympic.
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Straight up, the ball looked good. The minute change in frames on the video makes it almost near impossible to see the point just before Farag catches it, I'm not surprised people are 50/50 on whether it was good or bad.
I could not believe the commenters doubting the refs that the ball was good.
The key to me is the trajectory of the ball and the amount of backspin rip off the front wall, given that you can see Ali grounds his racket and the face closes over the ball before hitting it. You don't even need to watch up to where he hits the ball given this evidence; there's no way the ball was up.
@@M0odez lets settle on the ball being 'inbetween up and down' or ' inbetween down and up' if you prefer. ;) cheers
Keep saying it. The Egyptian crowds are pathetic. No home player = no support? How do you expect to grow a sport which should be at the Olympics.
It might just be a cultural thing - saying they are pathetic isn't helpful. They're still people who are supporting squash which is great! :)
Perhaps organisers need to come up with innovative ways of getting crowd engagement for all matchs? You could have an announcement before the match? 'Cheer' signs in Arabic displayed when someone hits a good shot? I'm sure brighter minds than mine could think of something.
@@simonpatterson793 Absolutely hit the nail on the head! Far more eloquently than myself :)
@@DoctorWilsonPHD Yeah, but you have a PhD and work with one of the world's greatest diagnosticians, so you're winning at life regardless :). Have a nice day.
yup so far Egyptian crowds are always a disappointment
@@simonpatterson793 too kind sir.
Why have the highlights failed to show all of Momens antics? Constantly looking for contact and constantly whining to the ref, pretty disappointing really
Momen was unbearable in the match.
He’s always that bad too, just made me realize that he and asal and closer than people think. Only reason people care about asal is cause he’s bigger and stronger.
Dang they didn't wanna show asals interview at the end? Shame
They’re not showing anyone’s interview… not just Asal
@@tommymsn6930 sure, but i was talking about Asal's
Am I the only one who thought Farag's pick up was good!?
From what I see, I actually think so too, yet I am willing to concede doubt. Yet many other people here are seemingly 100% convinced it was down. Including the commentators, whom I'd like to point out don't have any super-human perceiving abilities exceeding our own. But I just don't think the video speed is good enough to be 100% conclusive.
@@cscoetzee I'm really not sure why so many people are seeing it as good. I could clearly see the second bounce and a small bounce up off the floor, before the deflection from the racket coming underneath it. Another clue is that you can also see the ball grip and rip downwards off the front wall with all the backspin. Another clue is that his racket clearly hits the ground and closes in the frames before the shot, yet the trajectory of the ball is not flat but pops up relatively high on the front wall.
@@M0odez I again watched the video at the slowest possible speed and now I must admit that I agree with you. I think I can see a small bounce just before the racket slides under the ball. I am happy to believe that Farag was under the impression that it was up and I can somewhat understand that the video ref thought it good. I still don't understand why they don't just record at a faster speed. Is it that difficult or expensive to do?
@@cscoetzee It's pretty close and I must admit I'm relying on my instinct and ball tracking as a squash player to "fill in" some of the gaps between frames. The other evidence is very strong though, and I think taking that into account a lot of people would simply see it differently watching it again.
It probably is more expensive than we think to get a "faster" slow mo speed. We can see that for the slow mo they simply take the original footage at live fps and play it slower, meaning they only need one set of cameras for the angles and those cameras are in use the whole time. I'd assume that they've invested as much as they can really afford into these sets of cameras, as they do get good use out of them. However, getting a set of cameras running at say 5x the fps would not only be much more expensive, but the extra fps would only be used a couple of times a match on average at best. Plus, they'd have to have extra IT setup to transmit, process and store the huge amount of data coming in.
@@M0odez Even 2x the current fps would help a helluva lot. I don't think there is a problem these days with data storage, or transmitting that much extra overhead. So we are talking videos that are 2 or 3 times longer, or even 5? That doesn't sound prohibitive to me at all. If storage is really a problem, they can store it temporarily and delete it afterwards. What I don't know is whether different cameras are needed. That could probably be an expensive damper on things.
That collared shirt ain't doing it for me Ali
ASALJUST WANTS TO BE HATED....
What a joke the refs are. We've seen it so many times in so many other tournaments. Basically the whole world sees one thing, the refs see something else.. Shame on them.
Really poor mental strength from Elias. If he wants to be a consistent number 1 one day he'll have to work on this, but personally I don't think he has it in himself.
I hope I am wrong though I love this player
You were only watching a highlighted video and already try to judge a person's mentality. If you could afford, go pay and watch the full match video before even judging what has shown in a short clip.
Assal did not deserve to win.
lol he is a v good player, annoying but good
11:33 pretty much sums Asal's character. He isn't going to change ever. Ali Farag for all his exemplary on court manners cheats occasionally. We know about the Elshorbagy brothers style of play too.I don't know but it has something to do with the manner in which young Egyptian players come up from the junior levels.Extremely competitive with a dark underbelly.
Should Ali have called his ball down? No. his job is to win and nothing else. Players are not responsible to do the refs' job.
BullShit buddy
If he saw the ball down, he should have called it. I doubt though he saw it.
@@peterhammer4644 he saw it on the replay screen and did nothing
That ball did not bounce twice.
Thought Farag was clean honest player until now 😭😭😭
Everyone makes mistakes - even more so when your heartrate is high and in the middle of a close game. Trust in referees might come in to play as well. After all, if the referee is capable of making such an error, perhaps you as a player are too.
He thought he got it. The video referees agreed. Where’s the dishonesty, exactly?
What about that May be aly himself thought it was good and the “video referee” came back as good so why on earth would he call it otherwise
@@radicalrodriguez5912 9/10 times you know if its a double by the way you've hit it..but yeah gotta give farag benefit of doubt here since hes normally the best 'behaved' on court.
@@1729krish It is definitely super close. Can imagine that you wouldn't know from 'feel' on that one.
Asal tactics by Momen on Asal
Ali cheater. Disappointing :(
Seems like when you're getting older and older you need more tricks to stay on the top.
Egyptian video ref in the Ali/Diego match….will do anything to win
Didn’t realise John Massarella was Egyptian😂😂
@@albertrutter3023 Video ref.