A few years ago I designed a small TNG era planetary survey ship, the Menshara Class. It had landing capability, a fairly large shuttle bay with a large fantail for exterior loading and unloading of shuttles. It had an elongated saucer somewhat like Voyager but much flatter with a cut off rear saucer similar to yours. The nacelles were scaled down Enterprise D style. I saw it as a ship that would follow up after a larger, better armed starship would do an initial system survey. If the system survey determined it was safe a Menshara class survey vessel could be dispatched for a longer term orbital or surface survey. If the planet had a breathable atmosphere the ship would land for an extended stay if warranted. It seems we had several convergent ideas designing our two ships.
This was a very cool design. I love your use of the TMP era aesthetic, along with influence from the Picard Titan (which was evidently built off of the bones of Saavik’s first command?) on how they furthered ships back then. I would love to see you design a contemporary to the Daedalus Class. That era right after Enterprise, when the Federation was just figuring out how to merge their tech, when Warp 7 was on the table but dangerous to use without a squat, robust frame, they messed around with ball-saucers, and even though they could hold the data of an entire planet in a box the size of a Kit Kat: it was recorded on magnetic tape for some reason (I always assumed the Romulans’ trick prior to the Cloak was electronic warfare, so they hardened their ships accordingly).
I liked the Pacific 201 take on the Daedalus ua-cam.com/video/H95GdGE7Fnc/v-deo.html and the Pacific itself. Their story needed a little more work, but their designs were top-notch all around.
This stuff is fantastic, I love it. I've been obsessed with ships and aircraft design since I was a kid, even did 10 years in the Navy. I always love to study the ships you see in movies or games (from various star wars game and homeworld to obscure stuff like dreadnaught) and how they choose to lay out a vessel compared to what "modern" design looks like. I really appreciate the technical details and not just the overall aesthetic. I wish I had the artistic ability to express some of the designs I have though of, so I love watching what you do with these.
I love whenever someone makes a niche or weird ship design in the series. Also I love your logic for the ships. Always a treat whenever I see your videos. Also I feel like the number of cannons for a ship should be a scale, 10 cannons shouldn't translate to 10 phaser strips, 4 to 8 phaser strips would be more reasonable. since remember most cannons are fixed so the equivalent would be phaser strips/turrets that cover a similar protection range
@@711desmond the tricky thing about phaser banks, they changed a lot over the different series and movies, and not much canon explanation was given. In TOS, phasers just appeared to come out of the ring around the sensor dome, in the TOS movies, they were like giant phaser rifles mounted in ball turrets, in TNG, they fired from any point along a large strip-but only after the energy comes in from the outer edges of it, which I think would make the entire phaser "bank" much more vulnerable if damaged. For instance, if a pair of phaser ball mounts were taken out on Enterprise A, the others would still be functional, but if on Enterprise D, if that strip took damage anywhere, you probably lose all potential firing arcs from that bank. (??) Idk... just my thoughts on that. This, being a late TOS movie era ship and not a TNG era, I'm thinking it would still use the ball mounts and not the strips like the original comment mentioned. So 4-8 strips, or maybe 10 ball mounts, placed around to provide a firing arc covering almost any angle, to prevent blind spots.
@@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785 a phaser bank is 2 phaser emitters next to each other which were used in the tos and tmp era by starfleet but by tng starfleet had switched over to phaser strips which were basically rings around the ship that phaser beams would be projected from
@@711desmond well, yeah they switched from referring to them as banks to emitters by the time TNG came around, but I'm not sure if it takes 2 phasers to be considered a bank...heck, imagine a fantasy/fan fic quad setup using TMP models, but would still probably be considered a bank. Idk, the nomenclature is pretty vague....but I don't read the old Trek manuals much anymore. Still saying, it would take 10 phasers of the TMP type for a ship this size to provide reasonable coverage for defense, and also for scientific purposes as well(setting off volcanoes, drilling asteroids for ore, and stuff). Not sure if the other guy knows what a bank is, I always assumed it was any group that covers a specific arc(even if it's just a singular one like some of the ventral phasers on the connie refit-which they sadly never used on screen, but was on the model) Edit: in TOS they pretty much always only used the forward phaser bank. And as for all torpedoes, I'm not even going to elaborate, because the 1960s special effects just didn't show them coming out any tubes like what sort of appeared on the model ahead of the sensor dome. The refit made everything nice and clear.
NICE LOOKING SHIP!! I love the fact that you use modern aspects in the design as well as the form follows function concept. I did this with a kit bash ship I made about a year ago using a spare 1/1000 Oberth model that I had laying around. I decided that Star Trek has never really shown tugs/tenders. So I built up this model with that concept in mind. The ships design was altered at least 4 times in the construction process. But when I was done, I was super proud of it, I gave the ship the same name as my late fathers ship from his time in the Navy. The commission number was his birthdate. While I did want it done by his birthday( which would have been his 80th.) I did have it completed by fathers day. My mother loved it. Keep up the great work. The USS Darwin is a great addition to the Trek legacy!
I think that it would be introduced after the failure of the Genesis proyect, as it showed the need for a ship more specialized towards these kind of biological studies.
Keep up the good, creative, original work. This is a pretty solid design, I love what you did with flipping the shuttle bay under the secondary hull. But I would have liked a shorter, wider/fatter secondary hull to look like the short Beagle. Or even something flatter more akin to NX-01 but with a secondary hull behind the saucer for a ship that needs to land on a surface. The reduction of mass in the saucer makes perfect sense for balance of landing. Your detailing/Aztecing/finishing are absolutely top notch. I've always wanted to see multiple ventral probe/torpedo launchers to be able to spread probes over a large area of a planet/nebula/spacial anomaly. Overall, a well thought out and developed ship concept, I really liked you explaining your ideas behind various design elements.
Most ships are purpose-built. The problem with Star Trek there are few specifics to build around. Like how large is a torpedo launcher and it;s magazine of ammunition or a phaser array, or defensive shield generators and the list goes on. I'd like to see the core of a ship designed with those specifics and then build the ship around those features and or core components. There are inconsistencies like the warp core on the Enterprise -D versus the Defiant
Very nice design. Though the extra Impulse engines confuse me because by the time of this era, the idea of sucking in air so to say like an airplane would be.. Kinda pointless? I thought for a while that the whole engine-parts were actually bays to hold the landing struts to allow the ship to land on more uneven terrain like, it could vary the height of different struts. My personal input, If I'd designed this one, I'd probably make it so that the nacelles can slide inwards closer to the hull to lower it's profile and get more stability when on the ground or sea bearing operations. I'm personally not a fan of the hull design, it looks a bit Excelsior but squished. But that's my personal opinion of it. In general I think this is a rather great design and not the first one I see with a half-saucer. They certainly seem to have started to become the 'vogue' so to say since 3 years back or something. So you know, don't take any of my bad points here as a strike against your design, it's just how I'd do some stuff differently myself ^^ Aside from that, I can most certainly see this ship doing either first contact, ferrying ambassadors and even "damage control" of contaminated civilization missions. Like the cat's out of the bag so a pre-warp civilization is aware of the greater whole, so this ship arrives to explain various dangers of technologies or to guide them and their civilization to a unity on their planet. I feel this video was also the kick I needed to get back into Blender more. I've had the itch but the fear of doing poorly and just going bleh is always there.
This is a beautiful ship very well done. The design fits perfectly into the TMP era. Also during the era it is uncommon to have a Starfleet vessel to have landing capabilities the only other that I can think of is the Archer class. So this ship fits perfectly for a important role in star trek can not wait to see more designs keep up the awesome work. 🖖
Did you play Starfleet Command back in the day? The federation in that game has dreadnought ship class that I always thought was pretty cool, but never seen other media make use of the design. Imagine an upsized constitution nacelles pylons more lateral instead of upward angled, and a Miranda style torpedo pod about the saucer. So although bigger than the constitution the side profile was longer and more streamlined and had more weapon points
It feels so strangely familiar, like ou have seen some of it before. Funny though, with the saucer, looking from behind, it looks like the Federation Version of the Klingopn D7 Saucer design. To the Landing/Transporter/Shuttel topic: I wonder, why at least in the TNG era, instead of the the single person, not a transporter room is transportet down, like a small quick mobile forward base, or like a shuttle or runabout, the advantges would be plenty. OK for a TV series or movie, to expensive, but in our universe of the mind, the question remains. Nice work!
If I make a out of topic suggestion have you seen a fan story called "Star War vs Warhammer 40k" by a youtuber called AFanWithTooMuchTime? It is a very good story and the scenario he established, the resources, the numbers, assets, tactics, and other many factors he did well establishing his universe and conflict between the Imperium of Man's force of a entire sector fleet, military divisions and branches and governing institution remnants, and over 18 planets worth of refugees and the Late Clone Wars galaxy. The space and land battles very good between what all parties involve are capable of doing with what AFanWithTooMuchTime has given these multiple factions and combative fronts and how weapons, armor, technologies, physics, reaction speed, combat speed, range, agile mobility, and other factors interact or counteract each other. I wonder if a similar scenario were to happen in EVE Online's realm of New Eden would do against a Imperium sector fleet. They are a galactic cluster of over a hundred worlds with a population of 144 trillions of human beings with a incredibly impressive industry and infrastructure of shipyards and fleets with huge space megastructure stations that are for commercial uses yet also for maintenance and buying ships. I think in battle a Titan could square up against a Imperium Battleship and with their usually thicker unique dimensions endure any ram a Battleship might do to them. There all types of interesting things that could be done and happen with a scenario like that. The Immortal players of New Eden against the zealotal warriors and admirals of the Imperium of Man is a conflict that could be legendary and has potential as a series.
I think it would look better with either a smaller saucer section (about the diameter it protrudes around the rea part) or a more pointed 'bridge' section. Honestly it looks like the bridge section could well be a simple bulge like the Klingon Bird of Prey designs which would make it work well as a scout ship.
Excellent video as always. Particularly enjoyed your comment on the state of modern "Trek designs" which is generous that any thought actually went into them at all and that they didnt just paint a couple of bricks and sprinkle them with magic pixie dust to make them go.
Very nice. Lots of good features. Lovee the idea of the SIFE modules. Good thinking. My only suggestion is to swap the hangar bay and science labs around so that the hangar is on top of the engineering hull. This makes operating shuttles much easier when the ship is landed (your animation shows how limiting the current arrangement is - a tiny topographical feature nearby could make landing tricky). Also, if the ship lands in water and remains at the surface, the hangar bay is in the best place. Meanwhile, the science labs would, in both cases, be closer to their subjects of study.
The future of game design is total player customization! Having each player's game be completely unique to that person! A star trek game centered around that players creations! This video makes me yearn for that even more!
@@resurrectedstarships I can suggest the Elegoo Mars 2, it's a great starter printer. Nothing particularly good about it except the price, but there's nothing particularly bad about it either. They just work.
I really like look at this ship. I like that it can land. But the warp nacelles being extended like that on the ground looks kind of strange. I think the area above your side 'pontoons' looks like a great place for them to fold up when planetside. Maybe make the struts a little beefier and double hinged. 🤔
You made a really good point about Star Trek ships being at their best when they’re inspired from sailing ships or submarines. My flagship in Star Trek Online is named the USS Bluenose after the famous Canadian schooner that won all of the International Fisherman’s Trophy races in the 1920’s and 30’s
Very nice ship! A nice, focused science and research vessel. I can see these ships studying all sorts of phenomena across the galaxy, from alien biospheres to geology or even setting up small research outposts.
Considering how many plot complications came about simply from the bridge crew getting stranded on a planet while the ship was in orbit, the entire idea of landing, and perhaps having land rovers as well as shuttles makes a lot of sense. That way, you'll always have big mother to be close by.(I'm not even going to delve into all the transporter accidents that happened over the years, I'm with Dr. McCoy on that). Ofc, one will have to pick a suitable landing zone, and make sure to minimize interference if there's any sentient lifeforms or something that could be adversely affected by the presence of a large vessel landing. The structural integrity fields make a lot sense too, probably function as energy-based flying buttresses using tech similar to a tractor beam, but instead of tearing a ship apart, it holds it together. Cool design! Your Beagle/Darwin would look wicked sick with the saucer section separated(you never mentioned if it could, but I see possible landing strut outlines on the saucer, soo...). I used to sketch up fantasy starship designs on notebook paper when I was in middle school, but your 3d models are....most impressive.
When I'm looking at the ship landed on the planet I do see sails in the form of nacelles that, when a strong wind came, would blow the ship over. That was my first impression. Next is that if a ship were exploring a planet it might want to drop a few dozen labs off around the planet with plenty of surveillance from above to detect animals, weather, and coordinate efforts. I don't know if it's best to have the labs be like extra large shuttles with individual drives or for this ship to drop off a bunch of ground based labs to recover individually or move them as needed. Landing the enormous vessel seems like more ecological impact but if you're going to do it, have them fold. By the way, how much does this thing weigh? I don't see your landing gear but easy to imagine few places it could land without sinking or crushing what was beneath. Individual lab's first task is to blend in with the environment and act a blind. I will never understand starships made to land on planets since aerodynamics has little role in spaceflight. Also with propulsion systems seen in Trek, a landing ship doesn't require aerodynamics, either. You're not using lifting wings - basically just elevatoring up and down through 10-20 miles of meaningful atmosphere, maybe 5-6 miles where it'll have any effect on the ship. So just go slowly. At 20mph that'll just take you 15 minutes to land and a cardboard box could handle the stress. So scout your locations, build your blinds (camouflage labs filled with drones) and lower them. This would also probably be best since each lab would need to be sterile. I mean, imagine this sort of ship visits primitive Earth. Where's it going to land? Will it keep hopping around for 20 years cataloguing the biology? What if one day is a month long and a year with change of seasons is 30 years? You'll miss all the migrations. For a quick survey the main ship is either a cargo hauler and sensor array or the ship is the big lab and automated stations with drones and crawlers and sensors dropped all over the planet specialized for air, land or sea. Even with much of it automated, a quite sizeable crew would be necessary to analyze data in real time. I envision different versions for different environments but maybe an all around ship that fabricated specific tools and sorts of drones and probes per situation would be great. Every time a new planet is discovered a Beagle goes before anyone else to do the environmental impact report.
Hey could you up load to 1080p? Just hard to see what you're doing during modeling. But i find really interesting watching the your modeling with commentary.
It's funny that the saucer section has a look similar to the one found on the new Constitution III-class from Picard Season 3. But I really like your design. Good work, as always. EDIT: Well, I should've watched the video till the end :D
"The Long and Enduring Relationship between the Cherokee and British People" 2019 headline of an article from the University of Kent in the UK regarding the continuing American Indian presence in Britain. “Because they are a Warlike People and can bring three Thousand fighting Men upon Occasion into the Field.” The alliance was troubled and interrupted, but lasted most of the eighteenth century. The Cherokee allowed the British to build forts on their lands and fought alongside the British, wearing their British Army redcoats, during the French and Indian Wars (1754-1763) and later the American War of Independence (1775-83). Unfortunately for them they were on the loosing side and suffered greatly for it. I'm sure many armchair scholars will tell a different story, but this article was written with great respect and admiration following an official Cherokee delegation coming to the UK before the great confinement. The name of the ship class makes sense in the historical context.
WoW she is so beautiful, your ship looks like it can hang in a fire fight longer then some of other Starfleet ships. Nice Nice design please keep up the good work and give us more.
I really like this. There need to be more "lost years" (aka flat nacelle/immediate post-Khitomer) era designs, that aren't super wonky like most FASA designs. This one's going into my headcanon. Since I make greater use of triremes (my classification for 3-nacelle ships, irrespective of combat role) not in Starfleet but in a sister spacegoing agency, the Federation Survey Corp, I may add that "barque mast" nacelle to a subclass of this, 𝘈𝘴𝘤𝘦𝘯𝘴𝘪𝘰𝘯-class style. Survey is to Starfleet what NOAA was to the Navy during World War II...civilian and scrupulously neutral information gatherers/scouts that just happen to provide militarily useful information about environments, tracking ion storms, measuring solar wind and finding paths with highest density of available free hydrogen for Bussard collection. FSC is the Federation's version of UESPA and included ships from all species.
Nice design. I like it, with the only dubiously aspect for me being the ground landing part. Mainly because I'm kinda wondering where the center of gravity is for the ship compared to where the landing struts are. OTOH, Voyager was a fairly similar shape and got away with it, so can't argue too much (also, I could always pretend there's a tractor beam near the front of the ventral saucer area that is used to "push" the saucer away from the ground so it won't tip forward). I've kinda wondered if polarized hull plating evolved into SIF, and having these SIF Enhancement modules would be a good transition step between the two concepts. Like, "Polarized Hull Plating" becomes always on "Enhanced Hull Plating" (because shields are the primary defense system now) becomes "Hull Integrity Field" then finally "Structural Integrity Field". EHP would basically be "armor" like the previous version (lots of shield bleed through absorption capability too), while HIF would shift more towards a balance between catching shield bleed through and keeping the ship together, and SIF would be primarily holding the ship together. I'd expect SIF as a concept is starting to be explored with the Darwin's SIFE modules, and would start appearing instead of HIF with, say, Ambassador-class era designs. Overall, the design actually fits really well. We have the Intrepid for small ship long range science missions compared to the short range Nova. Back in Movie era, we have the short range Oberth. Darwin would be its long range counterpart.
@@resurrectedstarships I thought of how STO would bring it in as a Crossfield variant using the Cardenas bridge, TMP style saucer[ with or without hidden spinny rings] and Discovery Connie nacelles but a secondary hull based on the physical model concept seen in ST3, TNG and DS9.
Having played the old Starfleet Command(s), this is exactly their style of the TMP era. If I had a single suggestion, the pylons are VERY thin and break their smooth taper near the connection to the hull. I know you have a raised bit that would be reinforcing, but it's mostly the break in the smooth lines that seems odd. As for how thin they are, when you scale down a ship, the pylons tend to increase in relative bulk, which include the Oberth and Daedalus.
4:21 - yeah the angle of the nocele pilons reminds me of a bird of prey which doesn't feel like a federation ship. The forward angle of the nocele pilons gives an agressive look as well 8:45 - perhaps the next step is to design a ship that can fit in the cargo bay but be large enough to act as a mini house for initial scouting since sending the entire ship into the atmosphere has some risks (like what if the planet or nearby star releases an unkown phenomena that can damage or negatively affect the ship?)
Another reason to go planetside is that instead of running life support for fresh air and gravity, you can just park down there and open a space-window. Maybe even make farming an option if the soil can support it? Good for stretching the resources on lengthy expeditions, I say.
These are actually very good reasons you would _not_ want to land your starship. Bringing your only way home down to a planet and intentionally opening it to the atmosphere / biosphere could be a grave mistake. Even landing without the intention of opening anything still exposes you to the risk of contamination or invasion through unknown openings. You might think that there would be nothing like that on a spaceship but there are numerous doors, hatches, vents and perhaps other places that _should_ all seal perfectly but don't. I think it was in TOS Obsession S2.E13 that a cloud creature gains entry through an open engineering vent even while in space. The point being: things _can_ get in. Farming implies that you will be bringing food you grow inside from that alien environment. You might think you can depend on your scanners and sensors to detect anything dangerous, but they may not be able to recognize an unknown or unanticipated threat. How many times have we heard the order to adjust, modify or recalibrate the sensors because they were not detecting something nefarious? All that being said, I'm not against the capability of landing. I'd much rather be on a ship having that ability if the option was crashing or some other undesirable situation. I do not think it should be standard procedure.
The large parts of the back part (I’m not sure what it’s called) remind me of the 2150s Andorian warship, this doesn’t seam intentional but it does serve as an accidental bit of world building. As for the ship itself I’m not sure how I feel about it, the design doesn’t really fit with the design conventions of the federation, and it’s whole mission/purpose would likely just be given to a oberth class science vessel.
I know, that's a ship I'd absolutely love to command. I love the half-hemisphere primary saucer. The secondary hull with engines is a bit clunky, but this looks like a ship built for function. I would have liked to see more sensors on this, it's strongly science based, after all. And given it might be on planetside for long periods, it might make sense to have the core ejection on the top not the bottom, so in an emergency, the core is ejected up and put into orbit of the planet etc.
I am not sure about the whole mission profile lore but Coincidentally I am looking into the actual age of sail including the napoleonic wars in the war of 1812 as well as the American United States Exploring Expedition from 1838 to 1842 right now, so I actually love this design and can definitely agree with the timeline placement at the very least, the reason is that you’ve hit on a unique Parallel with the Age of Sail and the Voyages of Discovery Here, after the Napoleonic Wars, and The performance of the United States Navy‘s original six frigates during the war of 1812 the British and most other Naval Powers started Using more frigates and sloops than ships of the line, leading to the ships of these classes actually getting larger but still small enough to get into places that It’s a big ships could not. It seems like a perfect idea that in a similar situation post Khitomer Accords a new group of small fast long term exploration ships might show up, It would also explain why we see the larger K'vort-class Bird-of-Prey in TNG, which of course is essentially light cruiser size Bird-of-Prey. I guess that’s a long, winded way of saying I really like this design.
I love it! Especially the S.I.F.E modules, which ad allot to its shape. The only thing id change is that Id maybe strenghten the base of the pylons/ the connection point to the secondary hull. As it will be in atmosphere this seems like a significant weakpoint.
1:25 I would've started by comparing the original, historical Enterprise and the Beagle. Armaments would be compared. Presumably the Beagle was much less armed than the nautical version of the Enterprise. The addition of the smaller 3rd mast to the Beagle would've inspired me to add an auxiliary nacelle; perhaps trailing above and behind the saucer section on its own pylon. The auxiliary nacelle would be smaller, but "fatter"; meant to house the equivalent of 2 less powerful (and potentially more efficient) nacelles in 1 form factor. Possibly to be emergency propulsion should main propulsion fail. Perhaps a visible navigational deflector could bulge out from behind the bridge, underneath the auxiliary warp nacelle pylon. 🤔 I think I would've done away with the "neck" and secondary hull entirely and stretched the saucer somewhat. With the main nacelles potentially anchored to the saucer along the edges. On the rear portions of the saucer, I'd have placed long, modular mission pods. 4 of them; 2 above the saucer edge, 2 below: 1 could be a shuttlebay, 1 could be extra stores for long missions, 1 could be expanded labs (for research), 1 could be expanded quarters for extra crew. The impulse engines nestle centrally between the mission pods. Being largely one solid structure would allow the idea of planetary landing to be more visually feasible.
This is better than the titan a . Titan a seems like sleeker constitution refit the modelers just piled on a whole bunch of extraneous parts on, in other words it was overly designed. Respectfully disagree with landing capability. It would probably be more practical to design a portion of the secondary hull to detach and be a lander with full impulse capability and fully equipped for it's terrestrial role. Still like the design, has great potential.
Wow 😱 that sure does look like the new neo constitution class star ship, (TITAN). The older the relics are the newer the teck goes. Don't need to alert engineering any more to go to warp, 9.99, every thing is auto matted now no need for that. (👆ENGAGE!!!)
Great vid, with a cracking design that fills a nice & currently empty niche in the TMP era lineup (Oberth might /be/ a science vessel, but shes a planetary surveyor mostly). Forgetting the FASA era for a moment (repleate with weird and wacky Trek starship designs! Some I do love tbf, like the Loknar. Tho I much prefer the TMP Refit, but I digress), there is a distinct lack of a 'medium' weight science ship during the TMP era which I think this fills quite neatly! A 2nd line ship, following the trailblazing explorers and deep space vessels of the era, following up on earlier discoveries or better able to invesitage new locations on a long term basis. A starship able to land & maybe even act as a forward Federation/Starfleet outpost, all the while building up a permanent scientific outpost for long term study, without the strain of having ferry to & from orbit (esp in an era where replicators arent a thing yet & even when they are, Trek has always /softly/ said that there are some things they just can't replicate, or that'd be cumbersome to transport over long distances even if they could; I.E. Industrial scale replicators, Thank you DS9 & Mr. Eddington!). Also really liked the idea of it being able to submerge as well as land on a planetrary surface. Considering how much of Earth itself is just /water/ & with how often Trek vists aquatic worlds or meets Aquatic species (I.E. Xindi Aquatics) it's a nice touch; not forgetting the opportuninuites of having a cetacean ops department would open up in any prospective stories set aboard a Beagle-Class starship. Have you published any Renders of the finished design, maybe even a full Ortho with Ventral, dorasl Fore & Port views or do you have any plans to release the 3d model to the community? What're the Beagle's Vital Stats as well; you've listed her Length but, Beam, Decks, Height, Displacement, etc. I know thats a bit more of a "granular" kinda questions, but i'm genuinely curious. Forgive the questiosn but it all stems from the fact that A Beagle-Class is RIPE for translating into the Star Trek Adventures Tabletop Rolplaying game, esp for the quiet number of folks wanting to play in the TMP or 'Lost' era's! Now, I forgt this intially; so heres some more constructed feedback: Please note. These are niggles, nit picks, more than anything else. - In some of the animations, the Impulse Engines ought be lit, as she seems to be traveling at impulse speeds, but the exhausts aren't lit int he trational glowy red/dark red. Maybe theres a lighting cue missing/forgotten there? - I liked the slimmed down, "sailing ship like" hull. However, I do see the Romulan/Klingon comments, ESP if the pylons were forward initially. Even as she is now, I do still see those design influences. HOWEVER, those same influences could just as eaily have come from Andorian/Xindi Pre-Federation spacecraft & it might be worth Investiagting that & if you agree, then tweaking the ships lore in that direction. - so this one is a /major/ Nitpick, in the truest sense. Ejectable Warp Cores were not "cannonicaly" a thing until the Ambassador-Class went into service in 2322-2325; this one might be Apocryphal in the "modern" era, but i've always seen/read & worked under the assumption that until the Ambassador Class, the Warp Core of a Federation Starship, much like the Main generators on a modern seafaring ship, are just too large and too integrated with the ship to be ejected. /HOWEVER/, the hell do I know; It's a neat addition that I do actually like & could easily be explained away. It just bugs the part of brain that screams about such silly things, like I said, a proper Nitpick. - by the look of things & your breakdown, shes very lightly armed, which IS fitting for a decicated science vessel. However, I think a holdover from it's time with a more Klingon/Romulan BOP look is that it has no rear facing armaments from what I can see; something most Federationd designs of the Era typically sported. That said, A single ball turret mout ontop of the Science section at the rear dorsal, or a single Ventral mounted ball turret atop each of the outboard secondary impulse engines on either side of the engineering section; either would rectifiy this quite nicely imo, though BOTH would be a bit much. - That's all folks! Lastly, thanks for sharing this; Subbed!
Hey thanks for all your feedback in the design process for this thing! :)
A few years ago I designed a small TNG era planetary survey ship, the Menshara Class. It had landing capability, a fairly large shuttle bay with a large fantail for exterior loading and unloading of shuttles. It had an elongated saucer somewhat like Voyager but much flatter with a cut off rear saucer similar to yours. The nacelles were scaled down Enterprise D style. I saw it as a ship that would follow up after a larger, better armed starship would do an initial system survey. If the system survey determined it was safe a Menshara class survey vessel could be dispatched for a longer term orbital or surface survey. If the planet had a breathable atmosphere the ship would land for an extended stay if warranted. It seems we had several convergent ideas designing our two ships.
This was a very cool design. I love your use of the TMP era aesthetic, along with influence from the Picard Titan (which was evidently built off of the bones of Saavik’s first command?) on how they furthered ships back then.
I would love to see you design a contemporary to the Daedalus Class. That era right after Enterprise, when the Federation was just figuring out how to merge their tech, when Warp 7 was on the table but dangerous to use without a squat, robust frame, they messed around with ball-saucers, and even though they could hold the data of an entire planet in a box the size of a Kit Kat: it was recorded on magnetic tape for some reason (I always assumed the Romulans’ trick prior to the Cloak was electronic warfare, so they hardened their ships accordingly).
I liked the Pacific 201 take on the Daedalus ua-cam.com/video/H95GdGE7Fnc/v-deo.html and the Pacific itself. Their story needed a little more work, but their designs were top-notch all around.
The retcon for going from touchscreens to analog controls 100 years later was the Romulan hijacking device, which modern trek ignores completely.
I love this design and how it fits in with the ships of the tmp era but looks so distinct at the same time
Never change man. Your stuff is genuine and well made.
Thanks for the information about sail ships and thank you for the amazing video!
Great ship design. Your thinking behind it shows you care.
If I were a captain in Star Trek I would happily take a posting on this ship.
This stuff is fantastic, I love it. I've been obsessed with ships and aircraft design since I was a kid, even did 10 years in the Navy. I always love to study the ships you see in movies or games (from various star wars game and homeworld to obscure stuff like dreadnaught) and how they choose to lay out a vessel compared to what "modern" design looks like. I really appreciate the technical details and not just the overall aesthetic. I wish I had the artistic ability to express some of the designs I have though of, so I love watching what you do with these.
i procrastinated watching this one I knew it would be good waited for the right time.
I love whenever someone makes a niche or weird ship design in the series. Also I love your logic for the ships. Always a treat whenever I see your videos. Also I feel like the number of cannons for a ship should be a scale, 10 cannons shouldn't translate to 10 phaser strips, 4 to 8 phaser strips would be more reasonable. since remember most cannons are fixed so the equivalent would be phaser strips/turrets that cover a similar protection range
Do you know about phaser banks?
@@711desmond the tricky thing about phaser banks, they changed a lot over the different series and movies, and not much canon explanation was given. In TOS, phasers just appeared to come out of the ring around the sensor dome, in the TOS movies, they were like giant phaser rifles mounted in ball turrets, in TNG, they fired from any point along a large strip-but only after the energy comes in from the outer edges of it, which I think would make the entire phaser "bank" much more vulnerable if damaged. For instance, if a pair of phaser ball mounts were taken out on Enterprise A, the others would still be functional, but if on Enterprise D, if that strip took damage anywhere, you probably lose all potential firing arcs from that bank. (??)
Idk... just my thoughts on that. This, being a late TOS movie era ship and not a TNG era, I'm thinking it would still use the ball mounts and not the strips like the original comment mentioned. So 4-8 strips, or maybe 10 ball mounts, placed around to provide a firing arc covering almost any angle, to prevent blind spots.
@@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785 a phaser bank is 2 phaser emitters next to each other which were used in the tos and tmp era by starfleet but by tng starfleet had switched over to phaser strips which were basically rings around the ship that phaser beams would be projected from
@@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785 also just because the phaser banks weren’t defined like in tmp doesn’t mean they weren’t there
@@711desmond well, yeah they switched from referring to them as banks to emitters by the time TNG came around, but I'm not sure if it takes 2 phasers to be considered a bank...heck, imagine a fantasy/fan fic quad setup using TMP models, but would still probably be considered a bank. Idk, the nomenclature is pretty vague....but I don't read the old Trek manuals much anymore. Still saying, it would take 10 phasers of the TMP type for a ship this size to provide reasonable coverage for defense, and also for scientific purposes as well(setting off volcanoes, drilling asteroids for ore, and stuff).
Not sure if the other guy knows what a bank is, I always assumed it was any group that covers a specific arc(even if it's just a singular one like some of the ventral phasers on the connie refit-which they sadly never used on screen, but was on the model)
Edit: in TOS they pretty much always only used the forward phaser bank. And as for all torpedoes, I'm not even going to elaborate, because the 1960s special effects just didn't show them coming out any tubes like what sort of appeared on the model ahead of the sensor dome. The refit made everything nice and clear.
Looks like you designed a proto-intrepid-class. The landing, the location of the impulse engines, a garage... Bravo!
NICE LOOKING SHIP!! I love the fact that you use modern aspects in the design as well as the form follows function concept. I did this with a kit bash ship I made about a year ago using a spare 1/1000 Oberth model that I had laying around. I decided that Star Trek has never really shown tugs/tenders. So I built up this model with that concept in mind. The ships design was altered at least 4 times in the construction process. But when I was done, I was super proud of it, I gave the ship the same name as my late fathers ship from his time in the Navy. The commission number was his birthdate. While I did want it done by his birthday( which would have been his 80th.) I did have it completed by fathers day. My mother loved it. Keep up the great work. The USS Darwin is a great addition to the Trek legacy!
For the vehicle bay, I would think the bottom edge of it would be flat, not rounded, for obvious ease of ramp deployment.
The ship fits perfectly in the TOS movie timeline. Well done.
I think that it would be introduced after the failure of the Genesis proyect, as it showed the need for a ship more specialized towards these kind of biological studies.
Keep up the good, creative, original work. This is a pretty solid design, I love what you did with flipping the shuttle bay under the secondary hull. But I would have liked a shorter, wider/fatter secondary hull to look like the short Beagle. Or even something flatter more akin to NX-01 but with a secondary hull behind the saucer for a ship that needs to land on a surface. The reduction of mass in the saucer makes perfect sense for balance of landing. Your detailing/Aztecing/finishing are absolutely top notch. I've always wanted to see multiple ventral probe/torpedo launchers to be able to spread probes over a large area of a planet/nebula/spacial anomaly. Overall, a well thought out and developed ship concept, I really liked you explaining your ideas behind various design elements.
Most ships are purpose-built. The problem with Star Trek there are few specifics to build around. Like how large is a torpedo launcher and it;s magazine of ammunition or a phaser array, or defensive shield generators and the list goes on. I'd like to see the core of a ship designed with those specifics and then build the ship around those features and or core components.
There are inconsistencies like the warp core on the Enterprise -D versus the Defiant
Damn! That is one sexy starship.
Very nice design. Though the extra Impulse engines confuse me because by the time of this era, the idea of sucking in air so to say like an airplane would be.. Kinda pointless?
I thought for a while that the whole engine-parts were actually bays to hold the landing struts to allow the ship to land on more uneven terrain like, it could vary the height of different struts.
My personal input, If I'd designed this one, I'd probably make it so that the nacelles can slide inwards closer to the hull to lower it's profile and get more stability when on the ground or sea bearing operations. I'm personally not a fan of the hull design, it looks a bit Excelsior but squished. But that's my personal opinion of it. In general I think this is a rather great design and not the first one I see with a half-saucer. They certainly seem to have started to become the 'vogue' so to say since 3 years back or something. So you know, don't take any of my bad points here as a strike against your design, it's just how I'd do some stuff differently myself ^^
Aside from that, I can most certainly see this ship doing either first contact, ferrying ambassadors and even "damage control" of contaminated civilization missions. Like the cat's out of the bag so a pre-warp civilization is aware of the greater whole, so this ship arrives to explain various dangers of technologies or to guide them and their civilization to a unity on their planet.
I feel this video was also the kick I needed to get back into Blender more. I've had the itch but the fear of doing poorly and just going bleh is always there.
A labour of love, drop dead gorgeous!
This is a beautiful ship very well done. The design fits perfectly into the TMP era. Also during the era it is uncommon to have a Starfleet vessel to have landing capabilities the only other that I can think of is the Archer class. So this ship fits perfectly for a important role in star trek can not wait to see more designs keep up the awesome work. 🖖
Did you play Starfleet Command back in the day? The federation in that game has dreadnought ship class that I always thought was pretty cool, but never seen other media make use of the design. Imagine an upsized constitution nacelles pylons more lateral instead of upward angled, and a Miranda style torpedo pod about the saucer. So although bigger than the constitution the side profile was longer and more streamlined and had more weapon points
It feels so strangely familiar, like ou have seen some of it before.
Funny though, with the saucer, looking from behind, it looks like the Federation Version of the Klingopn D7 Saucer design.
To the Landing/Transporter/Shuttel topic: I wonder, why at least in the TNG era, instead of the the single person, not a transporter room is transportet down, like a small quick mobile forward base, or like a shuttle or runabout, the advantges would be plenty. OK for a TV series or movie, to expensive, but in our universe of the mind, the question remains.
Nice work!
It's neat to see a new design show up. I like the little bit of story telling you did while trying to figure out what she does.
This might be my favourite star trek video I've seen in years omggggg please make more ships!!!!
If I make a out of topic suggestion have you seen a fan story called "Star War vs Warhammer 40k" by a youtuber called AFanWithTooMuchTime? It is a very good story and the scenario he established, the resources, the numbers, assets, tactics, and other many factors he did well establishing his universe and conflict between the Imperium of Man's force of a entire sector fleet, military divisions and branches and governing institution remnants, and over 18 planets worth of refugees and the Late Clone Wars galaxy. The space and land battles very good between what all parties involve are capable of doing with what AFanWithTooMuchTime has given these multiple factions and combative fronts and how weapons, armor, technologies, physics, reaction speed, combat speed, range, agile mobility, and other factors interact or counteract each other.
I wonder if a similar scenario were to happen in EVE Online's realm of New Eden would do against a Imperium sector fleet. They are a galactic cluster of over a hundred worlds with a population of 144 trillions of human beings with a incredibly impressive industry and infrastructure of shipyards and fleets with huge space megastructure stations that are for commercial uses yet also for maintenance and buying ships.
I think in battle a Titan could square up against a Imperium Battleship and with their usually thicker unique dimensions endure any ram a Battleship might do to them. There all types of interesting things that could be done and happen with a scenario like that. The Immortal players of New Eden against the zealotal warriors and admirals of the Imperium of Man is a conflict that could be legendary and has potential as a series.
I think it would look better with either a smaller saucer section (about the diameter it protrudes around the rea part) or a more pointed 'bridge' section. Honestly it looks like the bridge section could well be a simple bulge like the Klingon Bird of Prey designs which would make it work well as a scout ship.
Excellent video as always. Particularly enjoyed your comment on the state of modern "Trek designs" which is generous that any thought actually went into them at all and that they didnt just paint a couple of bricks and sprinkle them with magic pixie dust to make them go.
Very nice. Lots of good features. Lovee the idea of the SIFE modules. Good thinking. My only suggestion is to swap the hangar bay and science labs around so that the hangar is on top of the engineering hull. This makes operating shuttles much easier when the ship is landed (your animation shows how limiting the current arrangement is - a tiny topographical feature nearby could make landing tricky). Also, if the ship lands in water and remains at the surface, the hangar bay is in the best place. Meanwhile, the science labs would, in both cases, be closer to their subjects of study.
The future of game design is total player customization! Having each player's game be completely unique to that person! A star trek game centered around that players creations! This video makes me yearn for that even more!
Have you thought about posting STLs?
You already did most of the hard work.
Yeah - I am getting a 3d printer soon so I can make the STL's proper for 3d printing.
@@resurrectedstarships I can suggest the Elegoo Mars 2, it's a great starter printer. Nothing particularly good about it except the price, but there's nothing particularly bad about it either. They just work.
The ship turned out even better then in the previews. Excellent work 👍
Nice ship and great concept.
The Beagle-class?
…USS Porthos?
Named in honor of Admiral Archer's beagle.
I want to say you are my favorite channel when it comes to trek tech. Love this design snd I loved it when you covered the 4 years war
The problem with landing the ship is finding an area with soil dense enough to support the weight of the ship. You’d have to land on solid bedrock.
I really like look at this ship. I like that it can land. But the warp nacelles being extended like that on the ground looks kind of strange. I think the area above your side 'pontoons' looks like a great place for them to fold up when planetside. Maybe make the struts a little beefier and double hinged. 🤔
I love this: the inspiration, the execution, the design. My god what I wouldn’t give for a physical model! No, really!
I've been enjoying your channel for a few years now, and I was thinking, could you design a carrier/cruiser based on the CV-6 Uss Enterprise?
You made a really good point about Star Trek ships being at their best when they’re inspired from sailing ships or submarines. My flagship in Star Trek Online is named the USS Bluenose after the famous Canadian schooner that won all of the International Fisherman’s Trophy races in the 1920’s and 30’s
Very nice ship! A nice, focused science and research vessel. I can see these ships studying all sorts of phenomena across the galaxy, from alien biospheres to geology or even setting up small research outposts.
Considering how many plot complications came about simply from the bridge crew getting stranded on a planet while the ship was in orbit, the entire idea of landing, and perhaps having land rovers as well as shuttles makes a lot of sense. That way, you'll always have big mother to be close by.(I'm not even going to delve into all the transporter accidents that happened over the years, I'm with Dr. McCoy on that). Ofc, one will have to pick a suitable landing zone, and make sure to minimize interference if there's any sentient lifeforms or something that could be adversely affected by the presence of a large vessel landing. The structural integrity fields make a lot sense too, probably function as energy-based flying buttresses using tech similar to a tractor beam, but instead of tearing a ship apart, it holds it together.
Cool design! Your Beagle/Darwin would look wicked sick with the saucer section separated(you never mentioned if it could, but I see possible landing strut outlines on the saucer, soo...). I used to sketch up fantasy starship designs on notebook paper when I was in middle school, but your 3d models are....most impressive.
Interesting design. Love the breakdown of all the features!
I love the idea of Federation ships being research and exploration vessels (with the powerful ability to defend themselves).
I LOVE the theory you put into this. totally subbed 3 minutes into the vid.
Wasn't the "Beagle" the name of the science vessel that "crashed" on the Roman earth in the original series of Star Trek "Bread and Circuses "?
When I'm looking at the ship landed on the planet I do see sails in the form of nacelles that, when a strong wind came, would blow the ship over. That was my first impression.
Next is that if a ship were exploring a planet it might want to drop a few dozen labs off around the planet with plenty of surveillance from above to detect animals, weather, and coordinate efforts. I don't know if it's best to have the labs be like extra large shuttles with individual drives or for this ship to drop off a bunch of ground based labs to recover individually or move them as needed.
Landing the enormous vessel seems like more ecological impact but if you're going to do it, have them fold. By the way, how much does this thing weigh? I don't see your landing gear but easy to imagine few places it could land without sinking or crushing what was beneath. Individual lab's first task is to blend in with the environment and act a blind. I will never understand starships made to land on planets since aerodynamics has little role in spaceflight.
Also with propulsion systems seen in Trek, a landing ship doesn't require aerodynamics, either. You're not using lifting wings - basically just elevatoring up and down through 10-20 miles of meaningful atmosphere, maybe 5-6 miles where it'll have any effect on the ship. So just go slowly. At 20mph that'll just take you 15 minutes to land and a cardboard box could handle the stress. So scout your locations, build your blinds (camouflage labs filled with drones) and lower them. This would also probably be best since each lab would need to be sterile.
I mean, imagine this sort of ship visits primitive Earth. Where's it going to land? Will it keep hopping around for 20 years cataloguing the biology? What if one day is a month long and a year with change of seasons is 30 years? You'll miss all the migrations. For a quick survey the main ship is either a cargo hauler and sensor array or the ship is the big lab and automated stations with drones and crawlers and sensors dropped all over the planet specialized for air, land or sea. Even with much of it automated, a quite sizeable crew would be necessary to analyze data in real time.
I envision different versions for different environments but maybe an all around ship that fabricated specific tools and sorts of drones and probes per situation would be great. Every time a new planet is discovered a Beagle goes before anyone else to do the environmental impact report.
Hey could you up load to 1080p? Just hard to see what you're doing during modeling. But i find really interesting watching the your modeling with commentary.
It's funny that the saucer section has a look similar to the one found on the new Constitution III-class from Picard Season 3. But I really like your design. Good work, as always. EDIT: Well, I should've watched the video till the end :D
Yah thanks - and this is quite incidental :D
@@resurrectedstarships convengent evolution at its finest, especially since that saucer type is a very common saucer shape type
Good looking ship. Well thought out.
Beautiful ship!
"The Long and Enduring Relationship between the Cherokee and British People" 2019 headline of an article from the University of Kent in the UK regarding the continuing American Indian presence in Britain.
“Because they are a Warlike People and can bring three Thousand fighting Men upon Occasion into the Field.” The alliance was troubled and interrupted, but lasted most of the eighteenth century. The Cherokee allowed the British to build forts on their lands and fought alongside the British, wearing their British Army redcoats, during the French and Indian Wars (1754-1763) and later the American War of Independence (1775-83).
Unfortunately for them they were on the loosing side and suffered greatly for it. I'm sure many armchair scholars will tell a different story, but this article was written with great respect and admiration following an official Cherokee delegation coming to the UK before the great confinement.
The name of the ship class makes sense in the historical context.
WoW she is so beautiful, your ship looks like it can hang in a fire fight longer then some of other Starfleet ships. Nice Nice design please keep up the good work and give us more.
I really like this. There need to be more "lost years" (aka flat nacelle/immediate post-Khitomer) era designs, that aren't super wonky like most FASA designs. This one's going into my headcanon. Since I make greater use of triremes (my classification for 3-nacelle ships, irrespective of combat role) not in Starfleet but in a sister spacegoing agency, the Federation Survey Corp, I may add that "barque mast" nacelle to a subclass of this, 𝘈𝘴𝘤𝘦𝘯𝘴𝘪𝘰𝘯-class style. Survey is to Starfleet what NOAA was to the Navy during World War II...civilian and scrupulously neutral information gatherers/scouts that just happen to provide militarily useful information about environments, tracking ion storms, measuring solar wind and finding paths with highest density of available free hydrogen for Bussard collection. FSC is the Federation's version of UESPA and included ships from all species.
Nice design. I like it, with the only dubiously aspect for me being the ground landing part. Mainly because I'm kinda wondering where the center of gravity is for the ship compared to where the landing struts are. OTOH, Voyager was a fairly similar shape and got away with it, so can't argue too much (also, I could always pretend there's a tractor beam near the front of the ventral saucer area that is used to "push" the saucer away from the ground so it won't tip forward).
I've kinda wondered if polarized hull plating evolved into SIF, and having these SIF Enhancement modules would be a good transition step between the two concepts. Like, "Polarized Hull Plating" becomes always on "Enhanced Hull Plating" (because shields are the primary defense system now) becomes "Hull Integrity Field" then finally "Structural Integrity Field". EHP would basically be "armor" like the previous version (lots of shield bleed through absorption capability too), while HIF would shift more towards a balance between catching shield bleed through and keeping the ship together, and SIF would be primarily holding the ship together. I'd expect SIF as a concept is starting to be explored with the Darwin's SIFE modules, and would start appearing instead of HIF with, say, Ambassador-class era designs.
Overall, the design actually fits really well. We have the Intrepid for small ship long range science missions compared to the short range Nova. Back in Movie era, we have the short range Oberth. Darwin would be its long range counterpart.
Hey can you take a page out of EC Henry's book and turn the Star Trek and the planet of the Titans Enterprise concept as a proper ship?
Yah ive thought about that.
@@resurrectedstarships I thought of how STO would bring it in as a Crossfield variant using the Cardenas bridge, TMP style saucer[ with or without hidden spinny rings] and Discovery Connie nacelles but a secondary hull based on the physical model concept seen in ST3, TNG and DS9.
I dig it, she kinds looks like what I imagine a tmp era refit of the discovery would look like had she not made the jump to the 31st century
Or a separate evolution of the type.
Super cool vid, I appreciated your explanations and the accompanying visuals!
Hey Bro! From one designer (Atolm) to another... I LOVE your design! Definitely one of the most unique secondary hulls that I've seen :D
Absolutely beautiful sir !!!!
Having played the old Starfleet Command(s), this is exactly their style of the TMP era. If I had a single suggestion, the pylons are VERY thin and break their smooth taper near the connection to the hull. I know you have a raised bit that would be reinforcing, but it's mostly the break in the smooth lines that seems odd. As for how thin they are, when you scale down a ship, the pylons tend to increase in relative bulk, which include the Oberth and Daedalus.
4:21 - yeah the angle of the nocele pilons reminds me of a bird of prey which doesn't feel like a federation ship. The forward angle of the nocele pilons gives an agressive look as well
8:45 - perhaps the next step is to design a ship that can fit in the cargo bay but be large enough to act as a mini house for initial scouting since sending the entire ship into the atmosphere has some risks (like what if the planet or nearby star releases an unkown phenomena that can damage or negatively affect the ship?)
Another reason to go planetside is that instead of running life support for fresh air and gravity, you can just park down there and open a space-window.
Maybe even make farming an option if the soil can support it?
Good for stretching the resources on lengthy expeditions, I say.
These are actually very good reasons you would _not_ want to land your starship. Bringing your only way home down to a planet and intentionally opening it to the atmosphere / biosphere could be a grave mistake. Even landing without the intention of opening anything still exposes you to the risk of contamination or invasion through unknown openings. You might think that there would be nothing like that on a spaceship but there are numerous doors, hatches, vents and perhaps other places that _should_ all seal perfectly but don't. I think it was in TOS Obsession S2.E13 that a cloud creature gains entry through an open engineering vent even while in space. The point being: things _can_ get in.
Farming implies that you will be bringing food you grow inside from that alien environment. You might think you can depend on your scanners and sensors to detect anything dangerous, but they may not be able to recognize an unknown or unanticipated threat. How many times have we heard the order to adjust, modify or recalibrate the sensors because they were not detecting something nefarious?
All that being said, I'm not against the capability of landing. I'd much rather be on a ship having that ability if the option was crashing or some other undesirable situation. I do not think it should be standard procedure.
Fascinating.
Perhaps this ship should be considered as an earlier development along the line on which falls the USS Voyager.
this is probably my favorite fan made tmp era ship now, especially because of your lore. id love a model some day
also at some point yt unsubbed me. rude
The large parts of the back part (I’m not sure what it’s called) remind me of the 2150s Andorian warship, this doesn’t seam intentional but it does serve as an accidental bit of world building. As for the ship itself I’m not sure how I feel about it, the design doesn’t really fit with the design conventions of the federation, and it’s whole mission/purpose would likely just be given to a oberth class science vessel.
Back facing nacelles almost always never work for fed ships but do work for romulans, gotta agree there
This is such a cool design!!!
Very nice ship I really do like it Seems like an effective and very interesting design
I know, that's a ship I'd absolutely love to command. I love the half-hemisphere primary saucer. The secondary hull with engines is a bit clunky, but this looks like a ship built for function.
I would have liked to see more sensors on this, it's strongly science based, after all. And given it might be on planetside for long periods, it might make sense to have the core ejection on the top not the bottom, so in an emergency, the core is ejected up and put into orbit of the planet etc.
Love the video you should do a part two on deck plans how many people served on the ship
I like the saddle on the engineering hull.
I am not sure about the whole mission profile lore but Coincidentally I am looking into the actual age of sail including the napoleonic wars in the war of 1812 as well as the American United States Exploring Expedition from 1838 to 1842 right now, so I actually love this design and can definitely agree with the timeline placement at the very least, the reason is that you’ve hit on a unique Parallel with the Age of Sail and the Voyages of Discovery Here, after the Napoleonic Wars, and The performance of the United States Navy‘s original six frigates during the war of 1812 the British and most other Naval Powers started Using more frigates and sloops than ships of the line, leading to the ships of these classes actually getting larger but still small enough to get into places that It’s a big ships could not. It seems like a perfect idea that in a similar situation post Khitomer Accords a new group of small fast long term exploration ships might show up, It would also explain why we see the larger K'vort-class Bird-of-Prey in TNG, which of course is essentially light cruiser size Bird-of-Prey. I guess that’s a long, winded way of saying I really like this design.
Banging ship design
I really need to get back into blender. This looks awsome!
We need a TMP era show so that we can see your ships come alive!
Great ship design. How come there is no rear phaser ball turret? or phaser bank of two (2) ball turrets? for aft defence???🤔
This is an interesting design!
Looks fantastic,I agree many of the new ST ships are a bit hit and miss.
I love it! Especially the S.I.F.E modules, which ad allot to its shape.
The only thing id change is that Id maybe strenghten the base of the pylons/ the connection point to the secondary hull. As it will be in atmosphere this seems like a significant weakpoint.
Bro the primitive technology guy drops a video like twice a year if that and MrBeast started going to once a month. You’re good 👍🏻
hey Bud, she is a beautiful ship
Awesome buddy as I'm a brit and thanks!
Nicely Done
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I would've started by comparing the original, historical Enterprise and the Beagle.
Armaments would be compared. Presumably the Beagle was much less armed than the nautical version of the Enterprise.
The addition of the smaller 3rd mast to the Beagle would've inspired me to add an auxiliary nacelle; perhaps trailing above and behind the saucer section on its own pylon. The auxiliary nacelle would be smaller, but "fatter"; meant to house the equivalent of 2 less powerful (and potentially more efficient) nacelles in 1 form factor. Possibly to be emergency propulsion should main propulsion fail.
Perhaps a visible navigational deflector could bulge out from behind the bridge, underneath the auxiliary warp nacelle pylon.
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I think I would've done away with the "neck" and secondary hull entirely and stretched the saucer somewhat. With the main nacelles potentially anchored to the saucer along the edges.
On the rear portions of the saucer, I'd have placed long, modular mission pods. 4 of them; 2 above the saucer edge, 2 below: 1 could be a shuttlebay, 1 could be extra stores for long missions, 1 could be expanded labs (for research), 1 could be expanded quarters for extra crew. The impulse engines nestle centrally between the mission pods.
Being largely one solid structure would allow the idea of planetary landing to be more visually feasible.
The “ the voyage of the space beagle “ by A E Van Vogt staring Elliott Grosvenor 1939
I like it.
This is better than the titan a . Titan a seems like sleeker constitution refit the modelers just piled on a whole bunch of extraneous parts on, in other words it was overly designed.
Respectfully disagree with landing capability. It would probably be more practical to design a portion of the secondary hull to detach and be a lander with full impulse capability and fully equipped for it's terrestrial role.
Still like the design, has great potential.
Bravo!
Amazing
The big question! Does the saucer separate? 😉
Would you do a model of the USS Thant, from Discovery?
I was hoping to see a landing animation, maybe next time.
Was there any significance in that Johnathan Archer owned a beagle?
would there be a USS Beagle in the Darwin class starship?
The true Starship Beagle was the Klingon Battlecruiser/Romulan D7 from tos... because they totally resembled Snoopy. 🤣
I personally dislike ships that chop up the back of the saucer section. Other then that i found this ship very interesting.
Wow 😱 that sure does look like the new neo constitution class star ship, (TITAN). The older the relics are the newer the teck goes. Don't need to alert engineering any more to go to warp, 9.99, every thing is auto matted now no need for that. (👆ENGAGE!!!)
Great vid, with a cracking design that fills a nice & currently empty niche in the TMP era lineup (Oberth might /be/ a science vessel, but shes a planetary surveyor mostly). Forgetting the FASA era for a moment (repleate with weird and wacky Trek starship designs! Some I do love tbf, like the Loknar. Tho I much prefer the TMP Refit, but I digress), there is a distinct lack of a 'medium' weight science ship during the TMP era which I think this fills quite neatly! A 2nd line ship, following the trailblazing explorers and deep space vessels of the era, following up on earlier discoveries or better able to invesitage new locations on a long term basis. A starship able to land & maybe even act as a forward Federation/Starfleet outpost, all the while building up a permanent scientific outpost for long term study, without the strain of having ferry to & from orbit (esp in an era where replicators arent a thing yet & even when they are, Trek has always /softly/ said that there are some things they just can't replicate, or that'd be cumbersome to transport over long distances even if they could; I.E. Industrial scale replicators, Thank you DS9 & Mr. Eddington!).
Also really liked the idea of it being able to submerge as well as land on a planetrary surface. Considering how much of Earth itself is just /water/ & with how often Trek vists aquatic worlds or meets Aquatic species (I.E. Xindi Aquatics) it's a nice touch; not forgetting the opportuninuites of having a cetacean ops department would open up in any prospective stories set aboard a Beagle-Class starship.
Have you published any Renders of the finished design, maybe even a full Ortho with Ventral, dorasl Fore & Port views or do you have any plans to release the 3d model to the community?
What're the Beagle's Vital Stats as well; you've listed her Length but, Beam, Decks, Height, Displacement, etc. I know thats a bit more of a "granular" kinda questions, but i'm genuinely curious.
Forgive the questiosn but it all stems from the fact that A Beagle-Class is RIPE for translating into the Star Trek Adventures Tabletop Rolplaying game, esp for the quiet number of folks wanting to play in the TMP or 'Lost' era's!
Now, I forgt this intially; so heres some more constructed feedback:
Please note. These are niggles, nit picks, more than anything else.
- In some of the animations, the Impulse Engines ought be lit, as she seems to be traveling at impulse speeds, but the exhausts aren't lit int he trational glowy red/dark red. Maybe theres a lighting cue missing/forgotten there?
- I liked the slimmed down, "sailing ship like" hull. However, I do see the Romulan/Klingon comments, ESP if the pylons were forward initially. Even as she is now, I do still see those design influences. HOWEVER, those same influences could just as eaily have come from Andorian/Xindi Pre-Federation spacecraft & it might be worth Investiagting that & if you agree, then tweaking the ships lore in that direction.
- so this one is a /major/ Nitpick, in the truest sense. Ejectable Warp Cores were not "cannonicaly" a thing until the Ambassador-Class went into service in 2322-2325; this one might be Apocryphal in the "modern" era, but i've always seen/read & worked under the assumption that until the Ambassador Class, the Warp Core of a Federation Starship, much like the Main generators on a modern seafaring ship, are just too large and too integrated with the ship to be ejected. /HOWEVER/, the hell do I know; It's a neat addition that I do actually like & could easily be explained away. It just bugs the part of brain that screams about such silly things, like I said, a proper Nitpick.
- by the look of things & your breakdown, shes very lightly armed, which IS fitting for a decicated science vessel. However, I think a holdover from it's time with a more Klingon/Romulan BOP look is that it has no rear facing armaments from what I can see; something most Federationd designs of the Era typically sported. That said, A single ball turret mout ontop of the Science section at the rear dorsal, or a single Ventral mounted ball turret atop each of the outboard secondary impulse engines on either side of the engineering section; either would rectifiy this quite nicely imo, though BOTH would be a bit much.
- That's all folks!
Lastly, thanks for sharing this; Subbed!
Looking at it now it looks like a cloverfield or the crossfield class The uss discovery look and looks a bit more bird like
Can recreate starship class able land on planet ?
what is the name of the song used at the very start of the video