Māori will oppose efforts to redefine Treaty principles, says leader | Q+A 2024
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2024
- Kiingitanga spokesperson Rahui Papa speaks to Q+A from Waitangi, where thousands have gathered to show their concerns with the potential Treaty Principles bill along with other government policies concerning Māori
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Why is the smacking of maori children in the schools blamed on whitey? It was the teachers that were teaching the children in maori. When the maori found that the children were not being taught in English, they went mad and demanded that the children wre taught in English. Time some people learnt the real history. The treaty only treats maori as a collective for signing purposes, they then as British subjects are treated as individual citizens with all the individual rights and duties. This is where the academics have screwed up, treating people as a group instead of individuals. It does not work ever.
Television, one at the forefront of opposing the coalition government, and every way they can possibly do so with amazing amount of disinformation, soundbites et cetera et cetera
This is the first article by TVNZ that has been close to calling it what it is, "Redefining the Treaty Principles", instead of multiple misleading variations of "Changing the Treaty". But to be fair, the principles were never defined in the first place, not by anyone with mandate to do it in any case
Keeping the ambiguous treaty is the lifeline to a lot of politicians and other people that make a living about it. They don't have an interest in fixing anything but to extend the problem for as long as possible.
Great comment
Exactly,just a perpetual, tax payer funded gravy train.
So, if as Rahuii Papa says.. to allow Māori their rights as defined in his vision of ToW, “ Māori then can have a quasi government “… who pays for that? Who pays for all of these governing people specifically for Māori?Who pays the taxes to enable work and services to be given to and for Māori? …
with his separatist ideals of the ToW, it should be paid by Māori? … iwi?…..
Does Rāhui expect (separatist) pakeha to pay for these services also.?
Perhaps his thoughts are in keeping with the continual costs incurred by all kiwis (including pakeha) to pay for ongoing treaty settlements whose financial settlements are then handed out to iwi only.
When and where will it stop? … can we have some common sense/pragmatic approach to allow all Kiwi to move on to a better future as one people?
Yes well the NZ government is ilegally here
@@aperaruapeeta4309 hiya..ok so if that is how you feel.. the govt. is illegally here now.. how would you change that? And who would pay for those changes?
@@user-ox3eh7fx1j thats what consultation is about and who will pay for that the ones who are here ilegally according to there own law
@@aperaruapeeta4309 keep it up .
You are adding fuel to the flames of discontent
IF its a partnership then iwi pays half. That's fair!!?
let Democratic process prevail,all the ones worried are the ones with there snouts in the trough like this chap
The Treaty needs to go to the museum and that's were it belongs.
Something written 200 years ago in a language that is open to different interpretations doesn't belong in New Zealand 2024.
Until that time this country will never go forward.
Is the treaty a contract? If so it is signed by equal parties. Treaties allow for reciprocal rights & obligations.
The thing is the pākehā side have never honored it
Hid it out of sight tats what happen and heaps of distraction for years held moari to ramson
The treaty is not a contract [between equal parties on the basis of an established legal system/ sovereignty. It is a compact/ treaty between an empire and some indigenous tribes [whereby sovereignty was attained over a territory in order to establish law... and then enable legal contracts].
It actually was never recognised as a legal document in britain at the time only mealy mouth Palmer legalised it in 1987
If Treaty of Waitangi was scrapped we wouldnt have all this divisive arguing. The arguing will still be going on 100 years from now.
if the treaty was scrapped it'd be war and te ao maori is ready maori mana motuhake is Inevitable
@@user-lj4dz9dx4i You would be waring against yourselves that I can guarantee.
Ngapuhi ❤
Ngati Porou
My wife is maori 54 years old she don't smoke she don't drink she eats healthy she never had her hand out and she's doing fine did I mention both of us worked paid taxes raised three children didn't need a treaty but we are both sick to death of hearing about it sooner the treaty gets sherreded the better off maori will be
Me too.
Work hard,raise good kids who in turn contribute to society.
Be proud yo be maori and the benefits I have I am grateful for
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Rahui is protecting the gravy train. Scrap the Waitangi Tribunal, scrap the special seats, scrap the special treatment.
Explain this so called gravytrain with proof
Who decided that the treaty of Waitangi needed to be tweaked from the original 6/2/1840 signed by honourable Rangatira(chiefs) of the day they understood every word of the Treaty of Waitangi and signed it accordingly.
Since the Waitangi Tribunal act of 1975 (when the treaty was tampered with) this allowed the claims against the Crown for past land problems payed for by the New Zealand tax payers, that is Indians,Chinese, Samoan,Tongas, English, Europeans, etc.
In the words of Sir Apirana Ngata ,
If you think things are wrong and bad then blame our ancestors, who gave away their rights in the days when they were powerful. ( mana)
So with the now tweaked Treaty the door is open for a lot more of a wants list against the Crown.
And so it goes on.
Money Money Money.
@@johankaarekarlsen1383 you still didn't state a source for this said gravytrain. You also forget when you say new zealand tax payers state every ethnicity bar maori as if we don't pay our taxes. With Rangatira who signed yes they understood perfectly there is no way in hell that they would cede sovereignty to some unknown they never met on the other side of the world when they would not even cede their sovereignty to someone they know from another iwi.
@@0231Nati I didn't mention New Zealand (kiwis)tax payers I mentioned all those others that have chosen to live here.
I am not a racist person, so please don't go down that road I am of moari lineage.
@@0231Nati Maori benefits
I hear the word, it’s well established. Sorry it’s not well established. The majority of New Zealand is want change and I’m not prepared to let the established group take over our society.
What I don’t get is the hype about this? What’s wrong with going through the process. Who’s to say that the principles act proposes are actually what goes through to the final product. Be part of the conversation, part of any solution. Some media outlets and people seem to be demonising open debate
As they always say, follow the money.
The inconvenient truths of history facing the ahistorical radicals - some powerful chiefs refused to sign the treaty as they understood what it meant [contra the new-fangled interpretation]. Most Maori [kopapa] fought on the side of the British to enforce British/ NZ sovereignty against the central North Island tribes that had not signed the treaty, and rejected British authority/ law and order.
Always amazes me when contemporary "historians" like James Belch gloss over the fact that without Maori assistance the British would never have won the New Zealand wars
@@jemma_19988 Yes, an inconvenient truth.
Ngai Tahu, Tainui and Ngati Whatua are becoming very sophisticated in business and political issues. It's a real shame that Nga Puhi has been left behind. As there Iwi leaders are not moving forward in the Settlement and allowing their children to become prosperous and educated like other Iwi have done.
Thats because they want a fair deal
Nga Puhi are the guardians of Te Tiriti and He Whakaputanga. All the other Iwi are where they are today because of Nga Puhi, I wouldn't forget that. Nga Puhi are not stupid they move when they want to move and they have their reasons if they haven't moved yet.
@@solomonmatthews8775 That a very good explanation but it also might be something simple like there are just too many Hapu. No one can agree on who will become chairman. Or who will be on the committee.
Go to the vote all iwi's?the way
Ngai tahu is the funniest tribe They were not from South island went down there about fifty years before Cook turned up .Invaded and subjugated the tribes already there and now charge tourists to look at cave paintings that they nothing to do with. They have had four treaty settlements over a one hundred year period The main man behind the tribe was a guy called tipene o regan His dad was Irish and his mum was ngai tahu He was originally named Steve O regan but when he went to uni decided to change to tipene Which is Maori for Steve This is like new zealand being referred to as Nu tireni in the treaty signings but nowadays called Aotearoa which owes much to the writings of that great colonial dreamer called Governor Grey
There werent any fkn principles!!
We are all human
Exactly - Māori shouldn’t need to be incarcerated 1.5 times more than non - Māori. As Rāhui said, they are at the bottom of every social statistic (as a result of 200 years of colonisation. I agree - we are all human. We should let these people live with some humanity.
Are we
The tribunal speaks for Maori to protect our rights as tangata whenua….!!!!
Where's the Pakeha Tribunal for your black hearted racism against us!? That's why we're voting you out you suck
Dismantle the treaty now
Im maori im sick of hearing treaty this treaty that, maoridom should focus on why maori have high rates of imprisonment,health,education problems,crime and most of all poverty sort our own shit out first before getting on our bloody high horse
@zaksol7022 you'll be more than sick if this referendum isn't stopped sorry for been blant❤be patient😉thanks they will find other avenues to manipulate the treaty at any cost
Agreed
@@turi03175 minipulate, what our rights lol what a load of tripe nothings going to change most of those maori up at waitangi cant even speak the reo dont own any land ,its the elite maori and their millon $ + homes and flash cars and the shit stirring radicals who are rocking the boat spreading misinformation
200k a year and the two co leaders are on the bottom of the heap
Love each other❤
It has to be remembered that the treaty has no legal standing under new zealand domestic law ,,,,,yet the treaty was used to confiscate maori land under that doccument ,meaning that the treaty had to be binding and legal and bnding under new zealand law to make those confiscations acceptable under international law,,, otherwise all those signatures on that treaty both maori and pakeha don't mean jack ,and the agreement of consent by which maori cede sovereignty to the queen becomes toilet paper,,,, however i do believe king wiiiam and queen victoria had the best interests at heart but unfortunately new zealand maori fell victim to colonial greed maori deserve a rightful place at any treaty amendment process and as matua said we need an equitable partnership not co governance,,,,, although this is about redressing grievances and past wrongs it is not about 2 sets of rules for 1 people or 1 set of rules for 2 people and having 2 governmental branches will not work, equitable governance just means maori will be consulted on matters of policy and have a chair at the negotiation table ,,,,, god bless matua thank you for your insightfulness.
he stands there in his tie and suit gets decent wage and keeps saying we are at the bottom of the heap....
This man completely dismantles the myths around this issue. He does it peacefully and is obviously very well informed and educated 👍🏽
It all about promises supposedly made!! Second class citizenship !! It just words your using Matey!!
A document drafted by a legal layperson in 4hrs when there were only 2000 non-Māori becomes contract for forever
It was not even recognised in england at the time as legal
There is no such thing as "treaty principles", there is just the Treaty, and the wording is simple and clear. Under said Treaty, Maori chiefs ceded sovereignty to the Crown, and became citizens with the same rights as everyone else. Today claiming that the ToW was a "partnership" between two sovereign nations is farcical. Maori had no national identity, and still don't today.
What a load of bollocks. He avoided answering the actual questions.
We can look at constitutional reforms later...really?
I don't think so!
Hogs wollop
When I was in school I got the strap for talking too much in english !!
land where our Law apply not the parliament of NZ, however, if the Queen had purchased land of Nga Rangatira, them she could sale it the NZ Settles parliament, then they would sale to the Settles and that's our point she has not purchase no land refer Nireaha Tamaki Vs Bake NZPCC1900-1901 Lord Davey presiding, R Vs Symonds (1847) NZPCC 387 at 390. God save the Queen.
Lord Normanby Standing Orders 1839 (Pre-emption Article 2 TOW) "......Māori must not be permitted to enter into any contracts in which they might be the ignorant and unintentional authors of injuries to themselves.... The Law of England shall make up part of the Laws of NZ, that is to say that Common Law of NZ, refer Imperial Laws Application Act 1988 sections 5 & 6
So what exactly do they want - these “activist” Māori?
Private land reclaimed( as is in the greens policy)
This is silly. We are all people. Colour should never come into it
‼️‼️Maori had no problem with the creation of principles created in 1989 by labour and jeffery palmer as it beneffited them, even though it does not translate what the treaty ACTUALLY says. Seymours interpretation makes total sense with what the treaty ACTUALLY says, stating that ALL kiwis must be treated equally Seymour is 100% right any person that actually reads the treaty will see that 1000% ‼️‼️
yeah, nah...only two partners Maori and the crown...I dont see John Wicks name on it...ggeezz you'd think ppl would know constructs of a contract...dhhh, so you dont mid me putting my name too on your will.You don't come from here you were just born here...can you whakapapa to Maori hapu?..yeah nah
@@mishbeazley6335 you probably haven't even read the treaty before if u think that. Clearly says in the treaty equality for ALL New Zealanders I knew that even before Seymour proposed it.
@@mishbeazley6335 Then send your grievances to King Charles
Why should we Kiwis have to keep paying
You haven't read the treaty, mate. It would pay you to do a bit of study on it after you have read it all. Seymour should too.
@@barbsmart7373 I'm not interested in a document that has had parts added and has been misrepresented by a few elitists who thinks this country owes them something.
Kia ora Matua Rahui he rawe te whakarongo ki ōu kōrero pai to whakakina atu kia Haaki e pā ana ki ēnei ahuatanga.
In 1835 Maori were declared a sovereign nation under He Whakaputanga which was recognized by another sovereign nation the United Kingdom. Maori as the sovereigns of Aotearoa entered into a partnership with the British Crown via the signing of Te Tiriti o Waitangi in 1840 bringing about a new beginning for both Maori, the Crown and Non-Maori (British Subjects) currently living in Aotearoa at that time.
This is the distinction between Maori and Non-Maori living in NZ. Non-Maori citizens living in New Zealand are not Treaty Partners, they are beneficiaries of the Te Tiriti because their Sovereign formed a relationship with Maori. This is facts but it does not mean that Maori are not inclusive, this does not mean that Maori want apartheid between Maori, the Crown and Non-Maori residents and citizens living in Aotearoa/New Zealand both past and present.
So to look at Maori in the same light as you would a Non-Maori citizen is incorrect. The correct way of looking at things and the structure of New Zealand is and should be the following...
There are two authorities and two powers in Aotearoa / New Zealand...
1. Maori
Under Maori you have all Maori descendants who are beneficiaries of He Whakaputanga and Te Tiriti o Waitangi and Non-Maori descendants who reside here in Aotearoa under Maori Sovereignty who have come into Aotearoa through Maori.
This does not apply to Non-Maori residents who have come into Aotearoa by way of the Crown.
The reason why this is not visibly seen is because Maori are yet to establish a Whare o Nga Rangatiratanga o Aotearoa (Maori Parliament) and suffered colonization and assimilation by the Crown representatives for the last 184 years and continuing.
2. The Crown
Under the crown you have British subjects and Non-British subjects which includes all Non-Maori and Non-British citizens that resides in New Zealand who have come into New Zealand by way of the Crown.
The governing stewards of the Crown have spent the last 184 years strengthening their hold of the country by way of deceit, fearmongering and establishing a narrative that Maori are ugly, despicable, criminals, violent, thieves, supporters of apartheid, lack the capability of governing and managing affairs and that Maori just wants to take from everyone for their own self benefit.
I reside here because you were overwhelmed by a vastly superior invading force. Not because you allow me to 😂, but thanks, nice to know I have your permission👍
@@overover..i didnt say you are here because of Maori. We didnt allow you to be here. You are here as you have said because of the Crown and their governing stewards.
Sounds fine if Māori cover 50% of the tax money required to run their half of the government, while the rest of non-Māori cover the other 50% tax money required to run the King’s side of government 👍 Finally a tax cut National has been promoting for. No wonder they aren’t crazy over the Treaty bill 😅
@@secretsanctuaire8217 when the British pays rent for the last 184 years on stolen land and recources shouldn't be to hard
@@overover.. do some research bud British surrendered via treaty , and still to this day faced its greatest defeat to Maori in ruapekapeka lol
‼️SEYMOUR IS PUSHING FOR EQUALITY FOR ALL AS THE TREATY CLEARLY STATES HE IS RIGHT EQUALITY FOR ALL KIWIS💪‼️
@JohnWickgk2bc it's not so much that it's the rest of it that complies with that they not mentioning about it too much the truth will prevail expose corruption at its finest😅
100%. So glad act is in govt.
Maori sovereignty is set in our constitution
Yeah, nah. Doesn't seem like something an overwhelming invading force would feel the need to agree to
@@overover.. yet they all signed the treaty 😂 don't cry when you find out the treaty was written and presented to Maori by the British 😂😂 yous lost the war bro sorry😂 had to win it with a pen lol
@planbzy7391 The treaty where it states "The crown cedes complete authority to Maori"... oh yeah, I forgot!!
You seem to think of Maori in 1840 as an organised force. The treaty will make more sense to you if you understand that they were scattered tribes with no allegiance to other maori short of wanting them dead
@riverofstars8567 the fact that you're writing, I repeat, writing a comment on a CELLPHONE, would suggest otherwise
@@overover..except, was only 2000 pakeha in NZ when the treaty was signed.
The Treaty of Waitangi 1840 (TOW) is an amendment to Declaration of Independence 1835 (DOI), In 1840 Nga Rangatira prior to the signing of the TOW exercising their powers under Article 2 of the DOI, in Article 2 of the TOW they gave Queen the pre-emptive right or first right to purchase Māori land or first right of refusal. Māori have not done that to date, nor the Queen purchased any Māori land so, it's still Māori Customary Land
Omg the skewing of words by Maori is outrageous that's why we are voting you out
Truth in all its form
The treat sux
Honour the treaty
This guy needs to know that some "fluid and undefined" Principles have already been introduced into the fabric of the Treaty. So Its not that this is new!! So someone has already fiddled with it. Guess who? Labour and Geoffrey Palmer in 1989! Did this guy complain then. I don't think so. It was to Maori's advantage So why would he!
No one asked ordinary New Zealanders at the time through a referendum Now! We, the voting public, need to define them and in a way that embraces "all" New Zealanders.
Maori are going to have to compromise so we can move forward. moving Pakeha and Maori into the mid the 21 st century and beyond. it's not 1840 anymore!!
No consultation has been undertaken with Māori also you cannot rewrite Te tiriti nor can we start to give non indigenous NZders things that there ancestors did not sign.
Exactly they r only opposed to it as the true interpretation doesn't favour them and instead favours all kiwis
The treaty of 6/2/1840 was a process of negotiations and compromise between the Crown and the Moari Rangatira. And for some moari out there who say their Chiefs got it wrong is a sign of disrespect for their ancestors.
The chieftains of 1840 knew that the English were their best bet for their long term goals, they didn't like the French or Russians etc after all they had a treaty in front of them and on the day and with collective wisdom of the Chiefs they signed the treaty, end of story.
There wasn’t any Indians, Chinese, Africans, pinkys then hey!!
The Maori activist and radical leaders place great emphasis upon te tiriti but the English "draft" was the first document. The intent and conditions for the Crown for a treaty with Maori. Maori contend that there is miscommunication when it was translated. Well I don't think so. There is too much evidence that Maori "got it"@@johankaarekarlsen1383
Ok, it goes like this, the principles are based on the ambiguity of the wording of the English Treaty and the Te tiriti, both documents have different wordings, creating this ambiguity of the meanings of the treaty..so the principles are established to create a common ground.....Problem is ...we only have one official Treaty.. the Te tiriti, the English Treaty was not read presented or even signed by anyone at Waitangi on the 5th...it didn't even exist.it's a false document and should be taken out of the equation . secondly, it has a written date , 'done on the 6th Feb 1840 where as in fact it wasn't, that alone makes it an illegal document.....but they won't tell you this.. why it's the catalyst for ongoing large Treaty claims , because it contains the words Forest and fisheries...where the Te tiriti does not have this clause.....so we actually have no principles... they are still lying to you...
The Maori translation is a mirror of the final English writ, read it its in the Museum in the back stalls get it out use it don't use examples or back translation
@@StGammon77the Te tiriti is a mirror of the final draft of the 4th, this draft written in Busbies own handwriting was the draft the te tiriti was taken from , these are the only two treaty documents on the table and read on the 5th to those assembled at Waitangi.....the so called English official treaty did not exist on the 5th or 6th, as it was written by Freeman
Just because your Māori does not give you more rights than me. This is not 1840 and we are the same. If you don’t like that your a Māori supremacist.
Wow! How ironic considering that’s how most Māori probably felt from the early 1900’s through to the mid 90’s. Funny how people feel when the shoes on the other foot. However, my view is that I want all of us to get along like when I grew up on my street and every second house was Māori or non Māori and we’re still best mates to this day. I guess me and my childhood friends were the lucky ones. Māori went through 100+ years of trauma, it’ll take another 100 until this shit is sorted 👍
@@CJWahanui Trust me you dont want to piss off 90% of the population because you wont like what you get.
I feel like I got caught up in this whole Māori v Crown shenanigans over a treaty that none of us were there for. As far as I’m concerned. I am a kiwi or New Zealander who have contributed to the country under the citizenship provided to me by birth from this country’s government.
I also want to get along with everyone, it’s awkward to observe all these infighting, as though we aren’t united as kiwis or New Zealanders. If the Māori people have an issue with the Crown, why are they not taking it up with them? Why are we having to pay for all the settlements when it was signed by the Crown? But anyhow, for peacekeeping sake, a lot of tax payers money went to Māori settlements as it is. And we are seeing a lack of budget for critical infrastructure that we all actually need…
Can we just stop and work together? No one is above the other… so quit asking us to right the wrongs when honestly I just haven’t done anything against the Māori people.
You guys actually do receive preferential treatment in our society and I do not understand why you guys feel victimised over your ancestors’ experience, when none of us were actually there? My ancestors were war victims themselves, yet I do not feel entitled to be treated any differently with everyone else.
Poverty is an issue faced by all ethnicities, I do not see why only Māori poverty should be regarded above others. Poverty is poverty. Having low social economic background is also an issue for all ethnicities. So please stop with the whole Māori and non-Māori shenanigans. It’s dividing us as a country.
Yes it does haha cry all you want
@@CJWahanuisome did but my tipuna just got on with it,raised their families in the area of our ancestors. the ones that didn't still blame pakeha for every bad thing that's happened to them
me me me me me me me me me me me me
nickc9404lol your the reason why i would not change the treaty
Us us us us us us us us us us us us not you you you you you
So refreshing to hear Rahhui PaPa's scholarly and measured comentry vs the Government's meaningless, flippant and dangerous rhetoric on the constitutional founding of this nation.
Yes. I agree 100%.
Seymour is carving space for recent rich migrants of non-Māori, non-Pākeha descent. This black and white issue is a distraction. There's nothing presented that suggests the people of Aotearoa haven't benefited from the interpretation of Te Tiriti in its current form. Rich people and migrants will want more of a say around the environment and mining. The coalition will be in a unified agreement on this issue. Now we see how the budget forecast can be met.
Go David Seymour.
@ShirleyZhang-bt4dj oh dear. My theory confirmed. Non-Maori, non-Pakeha don't have a say in this contract. Moreover, Chinese Foreign Policy stipulates negotiation with the sovereignty of the land and will not interfere. You clearly have no say in either. Successful Asians like colonisers stayed home. If you think Seymour is going to give more to ALL people of NZ, you're delusional. He can't give any more than what we've got. It's already shared. There's only the environment he wants. Overseas owners for overseas profit. Thanks for contributing to the algorithm 😁
‼️EQUALITY FOR ALL LETS GO SEYMOUR‼️
Oh dear always whining
Maoridom has its own political party, media, educational facilities and a economic value of $70 billion, yet Maori has high level of poverty, crime, incarceration, homeless and poor health out comes. Maori has a good choice of political parties to choose range from Maoridom own Te Pāti Māori , Labour and Greens which both have Maori caucuses to vote for regardless if they are on the Maori or the general voting roll's, so why need to have a quasi Maori 'parliament'?
Because that is what Te Tiriti promised. Self governance.
There could be two separate parliaments one for the Crown, one for Māori, and a joint Parliament that overseas the country as a whole made up of those two Parliaments.
It is possible and it is just to have government function in this matter.
@@illogicalslayer9856 - It doesn't. In the third article of the Treaty, it says - 'For this agreed arrangement therefore concerning the Government of the Queen, the Queen of England will protect all the ordinary people of New Zealand and will give them the same rights and duties of citizenship as the people of England". Those Chiefs who signed the Maori Version of the Treaty in 1840 agreed to the 'Government of the Queen' (which is NZ Parliament) which represent all "ordinary people of New Zealand". Nowhere in the preamble and in the 3 Articles of the Maori Version of the Treaty does it say that the Chiefs can established the own 'government' independent of European settlers.
The context of all "ordinary people of New Zealand" means all Maori and European settles that where in New Zealand at the time of the Treaty being signed.
@@chrismckellar9350 If Māori have government over their own land Tino Rangatiratanga they have right to their own government. This could work like the Welsh and Scottish devolved government already does. But I think it should work as two separate sovereign nations with a joint Parliament like the EU but better.
The governments own court the Waitangi Tribunal has already ruled that your interpretation of the text is wrong. The government has accepted this for decades.
You need to read up on the current state of affairs.
@@illogicalslayer9856 - There is not need for Maoridom to have a government to govern their lands. Why have additional bureaucracy. Wales and Scotland is not NZ. Our current political system works fine and as I have mentioned, Maoridom has its own political party plus the Maori caucuses of the Labour and Green Parties. Voters of Maori decent can vote from the Maori or the General roll. Pasifika, Chinese, Philippines, etc don't have their on voting rolls they have to use the general roll.
By the way, the 3rd Article was taken for the Waitangi Tribunal website, so it seems that you need to read up on the current state of affairs.
@@chrismckellar9350 Wales is an internal colony of Britain, set up by England. It is a very analogous situation to the internal colony of Māori who are a nation within Aotearoa New Zealand.
You really need to listen to others and not just ignore everything they say.
The third article says that they have the same rights as British subjects. In 1840 indigenous peoples didn't have that guarantee. The tribunal ruled that by not ceding sovereignty this article meant that it applied to areas that Māori sold to the Crown, not all Aotearoa NZ.
You need to stop interpreting history and the law as "fuck all Maori" as you are doing.
Listening to Seymour and his translation of the Principles Bill actually make sense . I think Going backwards to 1840 as Maori' are trying to do is actually The wrong move for New Zealand going forward. In the beginning it was Maori' whom went to Pakeha for help and ask the Crown to Govern. What I wish to know is How much more do Maori want, we in the Treaty are said to be all equal ,so now where is the Problem .If Media spoke as we are all New Zealanders instead of Maori and the rest. We may get somewhere. ie There were X Government Official and Maori' at Waitangi today. Why split us.
If you still haven't implemented the 1840 agreement how can we go forward?
Have to right that first then we can talk because the problems underneath the surface will remain if we do not fix it.
Your comment betrays your poverty of education in Tiriti history. It is your ignorance and that of your generation of ignorant non-Māori expressing misinformation, disinformation and lies. You’ve demonstrated how easily the uneducated and ignorant like you buy into the propaganda that the likes of Hobsons Pledge, Julian Batchelor, The Hypocrisy of the racist Taxpayers Union and the even worse racism of NZCPR attempting to revise Tiriti history to better advantage neo liberal plutocrats paid by global corporations to remove Tiriti responsibilities for political gain, profit and power.
You represent the worst generation of miseducated Kiwi this last 184 years since 1840 has produced. You are the majority population fast coming to realise your majority rule power grounded in inequality is under threat from the oldest citizen movement championing true and authentic liberation for all Aotearoa New Zealanders whose future was set in the foundations of this Nation by Te Tiriti o Waitangi.
Suck it up buttercup … freedom of the colonised feels like loss of privilege to the oppressor.
Maaori asked the Crown to govern _its own settlers_ not Iwi Maaori
Treat was written by British not Maori
@@planbzy7391 You dont sign anything if you dont understand what you are signing.
The Bros can never stop living in the past, always want the hand outs and special treatment because they havent figured out how to make it in the world yet 😅😅🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️. Honestly makes the bros look so weak and incapable 😂😂😅
The hand outs that your ancestors got from stolen land is what allows you to have this myopic "I did it on my own" take. So shut it.
@@illogicalslayer9856 dayyyuummm girlll 😅😅🤦♂️🤦♂️
What hand outs? What special treatment? Your racist tropes are impotent.
Cheapest argument I seen for a while, Surely you can do better then that.
Bahahah you dont kniw the past look at your comment lets steal your land and you speak our language and your decendants are villianist for being your whānau.