Lockpicking Lawyer: Wow what an unusual anti bump countermeasure! Very rare on NA locks! Machinist who screwed up the drilling on pin #3: Oh yeah.... definitely
It's odd to think that something that would probably save a tiny amount of money during manufacture (drilling shallower) AND improve security isn't more widely implemented.
@@JohnWatkinsUK Easier to set the machine to drill them all at the same length than to bother making them different. Not much easier, but still. (Not an excuse, just what probably happens)
@@Kragh50 I imagine five drill heads along a line, and one of them had a broken bit. LPL will have to gut another copy of this lock to show that this was Not A Fluke.
I like the way they hid the backup and put all the wires right in front of the hinge so that you can easily access them as soon as you pop the front cover loose to see the backup
@@Slowtreme We don't know which it is. It's probably just the keypad bus, given how much bigger the internal unit is, but who knows? Also, makes it easy to probe with an arduino or similarly programmable microcontroller (or a laptop, if it's in a place a criminal doesn't mind standing around with an obvious computer hooked up to a door) to automatically run through lots of combos even if it is just the bus. Any external access to wires in a lock - unless it's basic power and ground, and cutting power doesn't cause the lock to change between opened and closed - is bad.
@@Slowtreme It's not necessarily easy. If LPL explored it, he'd probably say something like "As you can see, that wasn't very difficult, but it did take some specialized tools and skills." Still, it's a vulnerability that's not too hard to avoid, and since it's an electronic vulnerability, I'd expect a smart lock manufacturer to avoid it, since it's usually the mechanical aspects that they mess up.
I like how the question of whether or not it can be picked is never even asked anymore on this channel 😵💫, "it's a lock so let me just pick it first", 5 sec later "ok now let me show you inside" 😁
That moment when you realize that an anti-bump feature requires zero extra component but only 1 hole to be slightly less deep than the others. To put it otherwise: a cheap and simple manufacturing tweak could be applied to any lock (at least any mid-range & up), yet it's nowhere to be seen seen in the US and rarely seen in Europe. Good job lock manufacturers!
That was my thought.... if it's THAT easy to defeat bump keys then why doesn't every lock have that feature? The obvious answer is that manufacturers don't keep up on the latest technology and features.
@@keithlevkoff8579 If everyone did it the same, then bump keys would just be made with the one spot a little higher. Or they might need 5 or 6 different bump keys... the randomness and secrecy is probably most of the security
I'm a locksmith and I see this fairly often. Kwiksets that look like schlage, schlages that look like arrow, and the fact that Mailbox branded keys require one layer of paper under an NA14 key blanks to raise it up so it can be duplicated properly.
A bank once gave me a night depository key that was a six-pin blank with five cuts. Their instruction was, "insert it and then pull back one click." I just duplicated it on a five-pin blank.
@@WhereWhatHuh I see weird things like that all the time. I sometimes make two keys for cases like that. One as a direct copy and one as my attempt to fix it. I tell them if the fix works, make future copies from that one instead.
@@TT3Dxyz I never told the bank about it. I figured it was between them and their preferred locksmith. I also saw a building once that had all 6-pin cylinders with 5-pin keys. I figure that certain rooms had a sixth pin, and that let them have a six-pin master on a five pin system.
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@@WhereWhatHuh Maybe it was a security feature that only the bank and the clients know, but not the adversary.
well sadly it is almost impossible to buy a good secure lock with all anti pick and drill features because it is always one of the features missing, that makes the lock pickable within seconds to 1 min. the only way to get a good lock is where only the security pins are missing and then changing them out to security ones that like to reset each other if you single pick the lock.
@@Totttty55 i can understand making a product as cheap as possible just to make the sale, but this is surely a near zero cost literally, and makes the product technically better at its job, thus more valuable. idk about the drilling theory, given LPL has shown us how to open just about everything, unless all locksmiths you're aware of are basically operating as more of a handyman "repairing" a door that won't open rather than an actual locksmith.
@@outseeker It is cheaper without this feature, because it's simpler. Now the difference will be relatively small, but we know very well that they do not care
It makes it considerably harder to consistently produce. The more security pins/features you add, the tighter your tolerances need to be which means your production costs go way up. If you have too much slop, your security pins will either get caught or not extend past the shear line properly. That just means it will be difficult to open the lock at all… even when you use the actual key. You’ll need to jiggle the key around like crazy to get the cylinder to turn. So it’s not that they’re stupid or even lazy, everything comes down to trade-off. Does it make financial sense to have one of the modern high-tech Chinese factories produce your internals even you are forced to offset the added costs by raising the price point so high your product doesn’t sell well and you go out of business? Do you get the cheap factory to add security pins even though they will hinder both lockpickers AND your customer every time they try and open it?
Honestly, an Anti-bump feature is probably pretty useful. I knew kids in high school who had filed keys down to bump locks, and it wasn't difficult for them to learn this skill. Likewise, a bump attack on a door is a very low skill attack that anyone can attempt, so safeguarding against it makes sense. In contrast, most people breaking into a door probably aren't spending the time to defeat security pins, they will probably shim the door, or bypass the lock in some way before pulling lock picks out.
@@johnwang9914 hey, whatever works. Fewer disturbances during a regular week morning. Especially if you act like you have business there. It's all a matter of opportunity. Time and noise are typically not in favour of this opportunity, and while locks and cameras are a good deterrent, they're not a solution. There is yet to be a lock that can substitute a watchful neighbor. So it doesn't hurt to be on close terms with people living in your community.
I have one of these locks. It is a pretty decent smart lock in terms of features and price (cheaper than the big-boy names for locks with less features), battery life is good on mine, and all the features you would want. I've had a few smart locks and this one is my favorite. I don't think any of them are super secure, but one thing a smart lock can do is lock your door - manual doors can't do that. The easiest lock to get into is one that isn't locked.
The other thing a smart lock can do is that you can determine if indeed it has been locked remotely and you can be notified when it is unlocked. Over all, a smart lock adds more ways to unlock hence lowers the overall security but the ability to better monitor the entry yourself adds to the security.
Also nice is that it shows this lock cylinder can be reworked/replaced with something much better. Primus high security core, anyone? Hell, looking at those pins with the standard Kwikset side chambers in the core, you could turn this into an unpickable (*) lock very quickly with trap pins. * Yes, I know. Someone will likely figure out a way to bypass these kinds of traps, or may have already, but they're still damn effective at stopping even advanced pickers from getting in.
@@lawlore What, you mean this channel does anything else than quick no-effort videos serving as vector for peddling check chinese junk picks? I wish that was sarcasm, but LP stopped doing any sort of work when he noticed 95% of his "audience" was brainless morons copy pasting the same click on 1 meme to farm likes without even watching...
Why do you think it was a flaw? This is clearly something they did on purpose as just drilling a hole with less depth is going to result in a lock that can't be assembled.
What’s terrible is that I watch him open these locks so damn fast that every video brings me closer and closer to thinking I should just leave the door unlocked and pray the person entering appreciates the 12 seconds I saved them
I have loved these videos for years now. I especially like that the videos are short and to the point. Other UA-camrs would take a half hour showing the same thing just to get view time up.
He's right about the keys being from different companies. Until my store decided to get rid of its key-cutting machine I used to cut a lot of housekeys for Walmart and after a while I could tell you what number blank you were going to need just by looking. The three most common housekey blanks according to our numbering system area a 66, 68, and 97. A 66 is that example he showed of what it should look like, the 68 is the keys that came with lock at least where the bow is concerned, and a 97 is a 66 with a slightly longer blade (you can in fact cut a 97 for a 66 if you have to). If I had seen those keys come in. I would have been sure it'd be a number 68 and would have been absolutely confused and would have thought my machine was broken when the scanner returned a 66. That is so weird.
It wouldn't be your usual style of video, but it'd be super cool if you could do a video on how much different design choices of locks cost the manufacturer. How much does a spool or an anti drill pin or an anti-bump bin cost over standard pins, etc.?
A change in 1 lock doesn't cost hardly anything....but a change in 100k locks makes a huge difference to their profit. Locks are only to keep out honest people and children lol... if someone wants what you have they will get your stuff no matter what type of lock you use.
@@edlocks5112 i mean for you to do a re pin yourself it would cost. It costs a few cents extra for each pin. The lock manufactures just know that the everyday consumer doesn't even know and are oblivious to the fact that a lock doesn't use security pins.
@@ells5656 I understand that point also... but security pins are there to prevent picking and bumping....doesn't prevent against hammer and crowbar attacks which is how most theives get to your possessions. Like I said locks are made to make you feel secure.
I have an anti-lock pick feature on my front door. It’s all natural too. Basically my lock has frozen (winter ice) so many times it’s started to corrode the metal bits on the inside which makes it bind. It’s pretty incredible, in fact, so much so that i can barely unlock it with one of the original keys 😅
It's great that you explain the terminology of the parts of keys and locks as you go. It make identifying keys by their "bow" much easier. I didn't know that the bow shape was indicative of the type of keyway. Very instructive.
I ordered this lock off Amazon in June. It came with a custom key with the Ultraloq logo on the bow. It's an odd shape, as the bow looks like its cut in half and follows the top of the blade of the key. The key is an SC1 style. I believe popularity has risen faster than they can produce, or source parts. Maybe they have been putting in what ever they have access to at the time. LPL may have gotten a "just ship it" quality version. I bought it because of the hidden backup. I don't trust the batteries, but I trust the neighbors less. Out of sight, out of mind.
Certainly in the UK criminals are not commonly picking locks (even raking) but bumping is ubiquitous, honestly it makes sense to me to defend against bump attacks before anything else
Thanks for this! I have these locks, and the first thing I did was to repin them to make them bump proof and pick resistant. Learned a lot from your videos on how to do this!
Well as long as you have manual backup it has all the same problems and just adds to them. The one advantage is monitoring who's using it, and the ability to give temporary privileges.
When you have a choice of multiple methods for opening, the weakest one defines the security. Smartlocks are meant to be convenient hence the multitude of options. And if you screw up just one, the lock is garbage.
I remember while learning to cut keys with an old school key cutting machine and mixing up the SC1's with the SC5's... At face value they're really similar.
That kind of anti bumping features are actually standard in most European locks (as in, _every_ lock for sale features them, because the ones _without_ them didn't sell). Chalk it to the high publicity that bumping-using burglary received around a decade ago.
I've had my ultraloq frontdoor lock (not deadbolt) for at least 6 years, the actual key is even weirder shape than this but it goes under the door knob lever. They have great customer service, if anything breaks they'll send a replacement part for free.
As an owner of this lock all I can say is the weird key is the part that gives me the most grief. No hardware store ever gets the key right despite me telling them its a kwik style key. The last time I tried to get a duplicate key made I had to argue with the person for 5 minutes about how the key was actually a kwikset key. I was making copies of several keys so I only noticed they sneakily swapped the kwikset key for a schlage when I was locked out of my house. Fortunately I carry some lock-picks in my car.
I'd say never expect to see more than a single spool in any lock, unless it's a lock made by a company that's renown for actually putting security pins in locks
@@rmsg7504 I took apart a Schlage deadbolt cylinder that I removed from my old house and was really surprised to discover that in this cheap Home Depot lock all but one of the pins was a spool pin.
@@svgalene465 Brinks, Defiant, Schlage, Kwikset Maximum Security all come standard with high security top pins. So do some of the Bump resistant Master Brand locks.
I actually just ran across one of these keys this week, had me checking our entire section of schlage keys for a match before I looked at it from the tip and noticed it was a kw1. Neat to know what it was for.
I really hate this saying - it is used to imply that there's no point investing in good quality locks and that absolutely isn't good advice. Good locks, as part of a good security system overall (good doors, thought about windows etc) aren't impervious... but they can and do act to convince thieves that they'll have an easier time going elsewhere. Think about it - if two motorbikes are locked up next to each other, one with a 15 mm hardened steel chain and a really good shielded shackle padlock with a Mul-T-loc core or something, and the other has a hardware store chain and a cheapo Masterlock - if you're a thief you want to be done and gone as quickly as possible with the minimum of noise and fuss... so which bike are you going to steal? The good lock has done it's job - not to be totally impregnable, but to be more risk and effort than the next guy's.
@@chemistrykrang8065 sounds good but according to content of channels like this one locks for security are obsolete, Maybe with the knowledge of someone that is skilled in opening locks as this man is they could design a real lock for security....
Great video. I really liked my biometric Ultraloq but like many others experienced the fingerprint sensor has longevity issues. Mine started to get less sensitive to input about 1/2 year later and completely stopped working before a year was up. Prompt contact was made for warranty and an initial response was given to replace the sensor. After delays on Ultraloq's end they followed up with an apology that I was out of warranty and suggested I just buy a new one. As much as I like the functionality of this lock, the fingerprint sensor just isn't reliable and neither is the post sales service.
@@SpyderZT totally agree about the roll of the dice. I am sure there are many lucky owners like you who don't have any issues. The real test of a company is what happens when there is a problem. For me that's where the biggest fail lies with Ultraloq. Promising me a replacement sensor, then saying replacement sensors are not available, and ending the conversation with I am beyond warranty (even though I reported it within the warranty) because they dragged the issue out due to their slow responses is terrible customer service. Unfortunately I have read others who experienced similar service stories.
Yeah, Good CS goes a LONG Way towards making up for quality issues, I agree. I'll buy a cheaper "Potentially Delicate" device with awesome customer service over a "Probaby Fine" device with BS CS. ;P Sad to hear they're on the bad side. ;?
Had mine for 9 months on our main door. The figerprint sensor is about the only way we ever use it and still works perfectly. If I have an issue, it is usually due to a wet finger or pressing too hard.
That back up pin tumbler lock is garbage - even a novice could rake it in a few seconds. There's no excuse for having zero security pins in a lock these days, especially one this expensive. If you bought this you'd want to swap the core out for something a lot better.
I really wanted to get covert companion for my birthday but my parents think I’ll be using it for illegal stuff smh. The updated website looks awesome by the way! Super sleek and modern, definitely setting the bar for other creators!
I have experience with one of these locks and overall find it pretty good once you drop in a couple of security pins. The biggest drawback is that the lock has what the manufacturer terms a "feature" that significantly reduces the overall physical security of the device. Since the manufacture refuses to fix it I'm not going to disclose it publicly, but it's enough to prevent the use of their decive for any purpose where you want an above average level.of security.
Not only can he take a lock apart fast but he has a very steady hand and all the right tools , he amazes me with the speed he has with his slow movements
The manufacturer does supply a SC1 core upon request (as I was thoroughly surprised when I received mine - they advertise SC1 on their product pages). I'm curious if their SC1 core has a similar feature?
It looks like you can either just replace the core or at minimum repin it with spools, serrated pins and what not to something much harder to pick. However, given it's Bluetooth, wifi and smart home integration, there's probably an easy way of tricking the lock to open itself.
You're not using this on a bank vault. On your house if someone can't get in quick and easy they will just smash their way in. No thief is wasting time fighting with a WiFi or Bluetooth connection.
It's almost certainly not a defect, if this were an inadvertent thing you'd get a lot of locks where they couldn't be pinned up to plan because of it and it'd cause mayhem. I suspect this core comes in cheap (no security pins) and fancy (security pins, maybe a hard steel first pin for drill resistance) versions... and this manufacturer knew most people wouldn't know the difference so they could save the extra 50p.
I got excited when you said you were having steep discounts on Lishi tools this week but it looks like your prices have actually gone up about 30% from last week! What the heck??
@@rmsg7504 That's not the point. He said the prices have been discounted for this sale, but when I checked I found that his prices have actually increased significantly since last week. I'm hoping it's a mistake but he has not responded.
@@jeeporegon9817 You can shop online too, lots of knock-offs exist. I have about 50 of these for auto, motorcycles and commercial and I paid full price but if you just want one or two and your doing it for fun just get the knock-offs. Original Lishi and Genuine Lishi are legitimate businesses but there are knock-offs all over the place. Some of the knock offs have keyways the legit companies don't too. I like giving LPL business when I can but if someone else has it cheaper I'll go there.
Is there another similar lock system around the same price mark that is better that you would recommend? Do you have a chart of best locks to worst for standard (key only), keypad (digital) and combination for both key and digital like this one you're reviewing?? Love the videos, keep them coming! :)
There are screws visible when accessing the mechanical lock as well as cables in the hinge - is this lock also susceptible to some of the electronic locks vulnerabilities you've featured as well?
The wires just passes the keypad input through the door to the interior unit and the screws only allows access to the keypad. You still have to enter the numbers through that wire to the interior unit so the screws and wires does not give you anymore access than before.
The core is fairly standard, other than the key pin depth on 3, so repining is easy. If you like the key, you only need to change the driver pins to significantly increase pick resistance.
@@bmitch3020 Toss in a lighter-flint spring or two, add some serrated pins, a spool, and file two driver pins to act as traps in the Kwikset core holes-and you would have a core that would definitely no longer be the weak part of this thing.
@@rmsg7504 Anti-drill features are not hard to implement. Also, both those entry methods are noisy. The target here, and indeed the OP of this thread, was only focused on the pick-resistance of the lock. "Well, the house is susceptible to having a tank driven through the wall" is another option you hadn't considered, and also significantly faster at gaining entry to the house.
@@ConstantlyDamaged When has noisy ever stopped a burglar LOL? They just kick the door in usually. But some use tools and power tools. Having a legit burglar alarm and cameras is necessary if you really want to slow down, stop or catch them. Honestly even that won't stop them but at least you'll be notified and have video. If its a AirBNB or rental, there might not be anyone around to LISTEN for a break in.
I have to say, while I have watched many many of your videos where you pull apart locks which are expensive and supposed to be offering more security in exchange for that expense, I truly wish that when you reviewed these locks you would tell us how to make them better. Replace pins, or add an additional security feature. In my mind, a lock this technologically advanced should have some sort of built in alarm the moment you pop open the mechanical lock and it should immediately record a timestamp and alert some security company or hell just send the owner an email the moment the keypad was bypassed. Like, yes you can pop this open and pick it or a locksmith could bypass it but I want an immediate record of the event sent to me.
It doesn’t matter how the lock is opened- fingerprint, code, key, internal knob, or the app on my phone- I get a text. There’s a big 4’x4’ window right next to the door anyway, so I don’t get too carried away with security. I just like the fingerprint reader; very fast and accurate
LPL did mention you can connect this to your phone and to home automation programs such as Home Assistant, so I would assume there would be features to detect when the door was opened, regardless of what was used.
Glad to see that LPL still has his original sorting tray from before he was famous. In other videos since some there was a fancy schmanzhy custom LPL embossed one.
I have three of these on my house, and it came with a custom branded key that didn't have a Schlage or Kwikset bow. It had a plain rectangle - it almost looks like an old (pre-chip) car key. I rekeyed 2/3 of the locks so I could use the same backup key for all 3 and I found it difficult to get standard replacement pins to fit, but I made it work. Luckily so far I haven't ever had to use the physical key.
Are all your three locks re-keyed to a common master? Does these unusual features mentioned make re-keying more difficult or irrelevant? - to a lock smith
@@longshuang99 I rekeyed 2/3 to work with the key that came with one of them. The features of the lock don't interfere with the rekeying at all. It's a regular cylinder inside.
I’m always amazed on how bad locks there are, especially in the US. All houses here have Abloy locks, which at least seem to give even LPL a slight challenge
This is nice to see in a lock like this that they had a decent backup key cylinder all smart locks really should have that still. This is why I went with my original wyze door lock that is just back to a deadbolt and attaches universally to any front key cylinder for a deadbolt. so I got the best key cylinder I could find and the electronics are not exposed in front just looks like a normal door deadbolt from the front which makes it my favorite smart lock.
If you can some how manage to pry the housing of the door it wouldn't matter if you can get to the wires as at that point you have access to the bar and can just turn it
As dlevi67 said, the wires are there just to send key codes to the main mechanism / processor, which lives on the other side. At most what you can do is send a strong current and burn the circuits, rendering the door unopenable by electronic means. But even that's not guaranteed: If they use opto-isolation inside, such overcurrent will only destroy the opto-isolator LEDs, but the main circuitry will still be safe.
There's clearly a lot of prep work that goes into a video like this, since he already knows what's inside to show us. It would be fascinating to see the real time experimenting (bumping, raking, etc.) as he explores a new lock to find it's vulnerabilities and features for the first time.
But this one doesn't. It keeps him busy picking for 27 seconds 1:54 - 2:22 (admittedly with a Lishi tool, which makes things easier and de-skills things, but he could have single-pin picked it with a normal pick in the same amount of time). The rest of the time is discussing the features and taking the lock apart to show the anti-bump drilling.
95% sure that 2-3 of the pins in my rv door lock have that, I had to replace it twice and it doesn’t key impression well either, so I had to pick it, I’ll give it a look over if you want, I have the original in the truck, I didn’t realize this was the function of it, there’s no other features and the whole handle and lock can be removed with a drill or sharp punch to push a tab in
If you have the wifi feature setup with it, you can get notifications when it locks/unlocks and if it was code/bluetooth/fingerprint so you could know who it was. I would assume if it told you it was just "unlocked" you would have to assume it was from the inside or with the key.
he's got bump keys and hammers, a bunch of picks (short, medium, long hooks, offset hybrid, small diamond) and rakes (probably worm, camel, city, and waves), a lishi for most American keyways (door and automotive), pinning trays, followers, at least 2 disc-detainer picks, pinning tweezers, and a lot of firearms
I never understood why they put in these "normal" locks, in so high tech locks, couldn't they just keep using the old lock, since it's no way more secure than the weakest link anyways?
@@Icspiders247 Okay, but then there's no need for the high-tech part I guess? Where I live our key has a chip in it and it needs to register the chip when you put it in the keyhole, to let you in the building.. but one doesn't work without the other and that makes more sense to me
@@wuggie88 With a keypad you don't have to take a key out of your pocket. Just enter the code and go on in. The regular lock is unlocked by the keypad part. The key acts as a backup if the smart lock stops working for some reason.
@@Icspiders247 Also allows you to have only 1 key (or 1 key and a backup) but let multiple people inside your home when you're not there, such as family, friends etc. My friend used to have a keysafe on the outside of his property and his friends knew the combination so we could go in and out of his house as we pleased. Luckily we had a very trustworthy friend group and nothing was ever stolen from his house.
What I've learned by this video: There >is< a protection against Bumpkeys which otherwise will open even relatively expensive locks. I hope manufacturers will use this more often!
I love this lock! I have one and it's amazing. Better than August. Just hit play, hopeing it's pretty good. My key is entirely different, the top of it looks like no other key I have. I'm pretty happy he didn't have a quick magnet hack or something. Anyone looking for a smart lock, I've been through many brands (I do IT for a living), this one has the most features and fastest response time.
Aye, I got one of their thumbprint lever locks from their kickstarter way back. Aside from taking a few tries to get in, I love it. The only problem I ever had with it was when I was charging the batteries and I closed the door. Normally I ductape the latch open, but I was heading out to work and the recent addition of a furry friend to the family and wanting to keep him out of my room... Lets just say the fire department was called, and when the couldn't wedge the frame apart I broke one of the windows from its frame. Mind you, this was in the dead of winter so opening that window required a blowdryer and a footstep. Now I'm actually more concerned about the windows and how easy they are to break into.
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This man can take a whole lock apart faster than I can open my front door
Imagine if he didn't take the time to explain what he is doing.
And your girlfriend's backdoor too
And picks the lock almost as fast as using a key...
Maybe get a different lock
Why do you presume he's human?
Inviting LPL over for dinner: "We'll leave the door locked for you."
...and you can hear him coming. Nothing at one... :-)
@@petergrunendahl2074 false set on two
“and we got this open… oh wait… WRONG HOUSE WRONG HOUSE”
*unlocks door* "Let me do that again so you can see that it was not a fluke"
"Door's locked, come in!"
Lockpicking Lawyer: Wow what an unusual anti bump countermeasure! Very rare on NA locks!
Machinist who screwed up the drilling on pin #3: Oh yeah.... definitely
Exactly what I was thinking
I’m dying!😂
It's odd to think that something that would probably save a tiny amount of money during manufacture (drilling shallower) AND improve security isn't more widely implemented.
@@JohnWatkinsUK Easier to set the machine to drill them all at the same length than to bother making them different. Not much easier, but still. (Not an excuse, just what probably happens)
@@Kragh50 I imagine five drill heads along a line, and one of them had a broken bit. LPL will have to gut another copy of this lock to show that this was Not A Fluke.
I like the way they hid the backup, as a laymen I’d never have thought to look there
I like the way they hid the backup and put all the wires right in front of the hinge so that you can easily access them as soon as you pop the front cover loose to see the backup
@@tildessmoo as long it's just the keypad bus and not a latch trigger it doesn't matter, except for vandalism.
@@Slowtreme We don't know which it is. It's probably just the keypad bus, given how much bigger the internal unit is, but who knows? Also, makes it easy to probe with an arduino or similarly programmable microcontroller (or a laptop, if it's in a place a criminal doesn't mind standing around with an obvious computer hooked up to a door) to automatically run through lots of combos even if it is just the bus. Any external access to wires in a lock - unless it's basic power and ground, and cutting power doesn't cause the lock to change between opened and closed - is bad.
@@tildessmoo based on so many other smart lock reviews on LPL if it was an easy attack vector on this unit I think he would have called it out.
@@Slowtreme It's not necessarily easy. If LPL explored it, he'd probably say something like "As you can see, that wasn't very difficult, but it did take some specialized tools and skills." Still, it's a vulnerability that's not too hard to avoid, and since it's an electronic vulnerability, I'd expect a smart lock manufacturer to avoid it, since it's usually the mechanical aspects that they mess up.
I like how the question of whether or not it can be picked is never even asked anymore on this channel 😵💫, "it's a lock so let me just pick it first", 5 sec later "ok now let me show you inside" 😁
That moment when you realize that an anti-bump feature requires zero extra component but only 1 hole to be slightly less deep than the others.
To put it otherwise: a cheap and simple manufacturing tweak could be applied to any lock (at least any mid-range & up), yet it's nowhere to be seen seen in the US and rarely seen in Europe. Good job lock manufacturers!
That was my thought.... if it's THAT easy to defeat bump keys then why doesn't every lock have that feature?
The obvious answer is that manufacturers don't keep up on the latest technology and features.
@@keithlevkoff8579 If everyone did it the same, then bump keys would just be made with the one spot a little higher. Or they might need 5 or 6 different bump keys... the randomness and secrecy is probably most of the security
@@user-ut9ln4vd5m LPL did said it doesn't get any better I'm going to assume it's not that easy to defeat.
From a mass production standpoint that tiny tweak likely represents a whole separate machine
I'm a locksmith and I see this fairly often. Kwiksets that look like schlage, schlages that look like arrow, and the fact that Mailbox branded keys require one layer of paper under an NA14 key blanks to raise it up so it can be duplicated properly.
A bank once gave me a night depository key that was a six-pin blank with five cuts. Their instruction was, "insert it and then pull back one click." I just duplicated it on a five-pin blank.
@@WhereWhatHuh I see weird things like that all the time. I sometimes make two keys for cases like that. One as a direct copy and one as my attempt to fix it. I tell them if the fix works, make future copies from that one instead.
@@TT3Dxyz I never told the bank about it. I figured it was between them and their preferred locksmith.
I also saw a building once that had all 6-pin cylinders with 5-pin keys. I figure that certain rooms had a sixth pin, and that let them have a six-pin master on a five pin system.
@@WhereWhatHuh Maybe it was a security feature that only the bank and the clients know, but not the adversary.
@ Yes, i consider that a feature, not a fault.
it's funny that such a tiny thing makes for far better security, yet not everyone just does it by default
well sadly it is almost impossible to buy a good secure lock with all anti pick and drill features because it is always one of the features missing, that makes the lock pickable within seconds to 1 min. the only way to get a good lock is where only the security pins are missing and then changing them out to security ones that like to reset each other if you single pick the lock.
@@dovos8572 yeah but even the crappiest lock is improved by spending an extra $0 to not let people just bump it open XD why not just always do it?
@@Totttty55 i can understand making a product as cheap as possible just to make the sale, but this is surely a near zero cost literally, and makes the product technically better at its job, thus more valuable.
idk about the drilling theory, given LPL has shown us how to open just about everything, unless all locksmiths you're aware of are basically operating as more of a handyman "repairing" a door that won't open rather than an actual locksmith.
@@outseeker It is cheaper without this feature, because it's simpler. Now the difference will be relatively small, but we know very well that they do not care
It makes it considerably harder to consistently produce. The more security pins/features you add, the tighter your tolerances need to be which means your production costs go way up. If you have too much slop, your security pins will either get caught or not extend past the shear line properly. That just means it will be difficult to open the lock at all… even when you use the actual key. You’ll need to jiggle the key around like crazy to get the cylinder to turn. So it’s not that they’re stupid or even lazy, everything comes down to trade-off. Does it make financial sense to have one of the modern high-tech Chinese factories produce your internals even you are forced to offset the added costs by raising the price point so high your product doesn’t sell well and you go out of business? Do you get the cheap factory to add security pins even though they will hinder both lockpickers AND your customer every time they try and open it?
Honestly, an Anti-bump feature is probably pretty useful. I knew kids in high school who had filed keys down to bump locks, and it wasn't difficult for them to learn this skill. Likewise, a bump attack on a door is a very low skill attack that anyone can attempt, so safeguarding against it makes sense. In contrast, most people breaking into a door probably aren't spending the time to defeat security pins, they will probably shim the door, or bypass the lock in some way before pulling lock picks out.
Door? What door. All I saw was an open 2nd floor window above a garage with a garbage container next to it...
@@bramweinreder2346 Or the patio door in the rear of the house away from public view.
@@johnwang9914 With the whole door consisting of a huge window...
@@johnwang9914 hey, whatever works. Fewer disturbances during a regular week morning. Especially if you act like you have business there.
It's all a matter of opportunity. Time and noise are typically not in favour of this opportunity, and while locks and cameras are a good deterrent, they're not a solution. There is yet to be a lock that can substitute a watchful neighbor. So it doesn't hurt to be on close terms with people living in your community.
Until one day someone is taking lishies to school
I have one of these locks. It is a pretty decent smart lock in terms of features and price (cheaper than the big-boy names for locks with less features), battery life is good on mine, and all the features you would want. I've had a few smart locks and this one is my favorite. I don't think any of them are super secure, but one thing a smart lock can do is lock your door - manual doors can't do that. The easiest lock to get into is one that isn't locked.
I can lock my door with my thumb and finger. No batteries to become landfill and leak toxic metals into the earth.
The other thing a smart lock can do is that you can determine if indeed it has been locked remotely and you can be notified when it is unlocked. Over all, a smart lock adds more ways to unlock hence lowers the overall security but the ability to better monitor the entry yourself adds to the security.
@John Wang Because if they want to get in, they are going to get in. I would rather know when they did as opposed to not knowing
It is good to see that disassembly videos are still being made from time to time.
Also nice is that it shows this lock cylinder can be reworked/replaced with something much better. Primus high security core, anyone? Hell, looking at those pins with the standard Kwikset side chambers in the core, you could turn this into an unpickable (*) lock very quickly with trap pins.
* Yes, I know. Someone will likely figure out a way to bypass these kinds of traps, or may have already, but they're still damn effective at stopping even advanced pickers from getting in.
Yeah we though LPL forgot how to gut a lock.
It does feel like it's been a long time since we had one- these were the types of vids that got me hooked to this channel.
@@lawlore What, you mean this channel does anything else than quick no-effort videos serving as vector for peddling check chinese junk picks? I wish that was sarcasm, but LP stopped doing any sort of work when he noticed 95% of his "audience" was brainless morons copy pasting the same click on 1 meme to farm likes without even watching...
Bosnianbill did more gutting videos. So that's why we are missing them.
A Kwik-Set blade on a Schlage bow is a good visual throw off if someone sees it
I would like to give that key to anyone calling himself a master and ask him whatsbunusyal abou the key and wait for his answer
I just got this lock yesterday and my key is totally different. The bow is much smaller at 5/8” and the overall length is 2 3/4”
I saw this and cut a schlage key without thinking. I had to cut it again correctly. Now i need to confirm keyway on every single key i cut
A pick and gut video. Been a while and I'm happy to see it. More please!
Anytime a lpl video is more than a minute long you can guarantee something interesting is going to happen.
or he's going to open multiple locks.
Guess this was the exception
The makers of the locks are super happy right now. The flaw in the drilling of hole 3 was really a feature.
The difference between a bug and a feature is documentation.
Why do you think it was a flaw? This is clearly something they did on purpose as just drilling a hole with less depth is going to result in a lock that can't be assembled.
@@SmallSpoonBrigade OMG 66 people got it. Its a joke. The context was very clear.
@@WhereWhatHuh OMG 66 people got it. Its a joke. The context was very clear.
@@kameljoe21 If you have to explain that something was a joke, it wasn't clear or funny.
Yay, we got to see the core and pins! Love disassembly videos.
What’s terrible is that I watch him open these locks so damn fast that every video brings me closer and closer to thinking I should just leave the door unlocked and pray the person entering appreciates the 12 seconds I saved them
Most people cannot pick locks this fast, and your door is not ideal conditions
I have loved these videos for years now. I especially like that the videos are short and to the point. Other UA-camrs would take a half hour showing the same thing just to get view time up.
He's right about the keys being from different companies. Until my store decided to get rid of its key-cutting machine I used to cut a lot of housekeys for Walmart and after a while I could tell you what number blank you were going to need just by looking. The three most common housekey blanks according to our numbering system area a 66, 68, and 97. A 66 is that example he showed of what it should look like, the 68 is the keys that came with lock at least where the bow is concerned, and a 97 is a 66 with a slightly longer blade (you can in fact cut a 97 for a 66 if you have to).
If I had seen those keys come in. I would have been sure it'd be a number 68 and would have been absolutely confused and would have thought my machine was broken when the scanner returned a 66. That is so weird.
It wouldn't be your usual style of video, but it'd be super cool if you could do a video on how much different design choices of locks cost the manufacturer. How much does a spool or an anti drill pin or an anti-bump bin cost over standard pins, etc.?
I'd say every feature costs a couple of hundred thousand dollars upfront to buy and set up the machine that then producec it for realistically free.
@@Eoraph Spools and such are off the shelf parts though, you don't need extra tooling if you're the lock manufacturer
A change in 1 lock doesn't cost hardly anything....but a change in 100k locks makes a huge difference to their profit. Locks are only to keep out honest people and children lol... if someone wants what you have they will get your stuff no matter what type of lock you use.
@@edlocks5112 i mean for you to do a re pin yourself it would cost. It costs a few cents extra for each pin. The lock manufactures just know that the everyday consumer doesn't even know and are oblivious to the fact that a lock doesn't use security pins.
@@ells5656 I understand that point also... but security pins are there to prevent picking and bumping....doesn't prevent against hammer and crowbar attacks which is how most theives get to your possessions. Like I said locks are made to make you feel secure.
I have an anti-lock pick feature on my front door. It’s all natural too. Basically my lock has frozen (winter ice) so many times it’s started to corrode the metal bits on the inside which makes it bind. It’s pretty incredible, in fact, so much so that i can barely unlock it with one of the original keys 😅
It's great that you explain the terminology of the parts of keys and locks as you go. It make identifying keys by their "bow" much easier. I didn't know that the bow shape was indicative of the type of keyway. Very instructive.
You know what I cut keys where I work and you are right. I've never seen that before.
I ordered this lock off Amazon in June. It came with a custom key with the Ultraloq logo on the bow. It's an odd shape, as the bow looks like its cut in half and follows the top of the blade of the key. The key is an SC1 style. I believe popularity has risen faster than they can produce, or source parts. Maybe they have been putting in what ever they have access to at the time. LPL may have gotten a "just ship it" quality version. I bought it because of the hidden backup. I don't trust the batteries, but I trust the neighbors less. Out of sight, out of mind.
Certainly in the UK criminals are not commonly picking locks (even raking) but bumping is ubiquitous, honestly it makes sense to me to defend against bump attacks before anything else
Finally a disassembly, we haven't had one of those for a long while!
LPL is like a well-trained soldier disassembling a rifle with any lock he touches
Thanks for this! I have these locks, and the first thing I did was to repin them to make them bump proof and pick resistant. Learned a lot from your videos on how to do this!
I find it odd that so many people think of smart locks as much safer than ordinary locks. I like to think the opposite is the case.
Goes for lots of other "smart" devices and appliances too
Well as long as you have manual backup it has all the same problems and just adds to them. The one advantage is monitoring who's using it, and the ability to give temporary privileges.
When you are ignorant of the details and their importance then "more complicated" looks a lot like "more secure".
I think most people buy smart locks for convenience and not security.
When you have a choice of multiple methods for opening, the weakest one defines the security. Smartlocks are meant to be convenient hence the multitude of options. And if you screw up just one, the lock is garbage.
I remember while learning to cut keys with an old school key cutting machine and mixing up the SC1's with the SC5's...
At face value they're really similar.
That kind of anti bumping features are actually standard in most European locks (as in, _every_ lock for sale features them, because the ones _without_ them didn't sell). Chalk it to the high publicity that bumping-using burglary received around a decade ago.
You only picked the lock once, so I had to watch the video twice, to see that it was not a fluke!
High quality plastics. Just what you want to hear when talking about locks.
I've had my ultraloq frontdoor lock (not deadbolt) for at least 6 years, the actual key is even weirder shape than this but it goes under the door knob lever.
They have great customer service, if anything breaks they'll send a replacement part for free.
As an owner of this lock all I can say is the weird key is the part that gives me the most grief. No hardware store ever gets the key right despite me telling them its a kwik style key. The last time I tried to get a duplicate key made I had to argue with the person for 5 minutes about how the key was actually a kwikset key. I was making copies of several keys so I only noticed they sneakily swapped the kwikset key for a schlage when I was locked out of my house. Fortunately I carry some lock-picks in my car.
It is really, really clear that "smart" has become a euphemism for "convenient", not "secure".
Add a serrated and spool or two and you have a much better lock. Great anti bump feature.
This is so great to teach people. Thanks for showing everyone how to pick locks.
For an higher end lock you would expect to see it full of security pins.
I'd say never expect to see more than a single spool in any lock, unless it's a lock made by a company that's renown for actually putting security pins in locks
@@thelockpickingspoon9074 Defiants and Schlage deadbolts have security top pins standard.
@@rmsg7504 I took apart a Schlage deadbolt cylinder that I removed from my old house and was really surprised to discover that in this cheap Home Depot lock all but one of the pins was a spool pin.
@@svgalene465 Brinks, Defiant, Schlage, Kwikset Maximum Security all come standard with high security top pins. So do some of the Bump resistant Master Brand locks.
There must be at least one standard pin to keep the core nice and snug. Or it'll just be loose and nobody would buy it
I actually just ran across one of these keys this week, had me checking our entire section of schlage keys for a match before I looked at it from the tip and noticed it was a kw1. Neat to know what it was for.
I heard a wise men say locks keep honest people honest.
I really hate this saying - it is used to imply that there's no point investing in good quality locks and that absolutely isn't good advice.
Good locks, as part of a good security system overall (good doors, thought about windows etc) aren't impervious... but they can and do act to convince thieves that they'll have an easier time going elsewhere. Think about it - if two motorbikes are locked up next to each other, one with a 15 mm hardened steel chain and a really good shielded shackle padlock with a Mul-T-loc core or something, and the other has a hardware store chain and a cheapo Masterlock - if you're a thief you want to be done and gone as quickly as possible with the minimum of noise and fuss... so which bike are you going to steal? The good lock has done it's job - not to be totally impregnable, but to be more risk and effort than the next guy's.
@@chemistrykrang8065 sounds good but according to content of channels like this one locks for security are obsolete, Maybe with the knowledge of someone that is skilled in opening locks as this man is they could design a real lock for security....
Wait, he only cracked the lock once, so it was definitively a fluke !
Great video. I really liked my biometric Ultraloq but like many others experienced the fingerprint sensor has longevity issues. Mine started to get less sensitive to input about 1/2 year later and completely stopped working before a year was up. Prompt contact was made for warranty and an initial response was given to replace the sensor. After delays on Ultraloq's end they followed up with an apology that I was out of warranty and suggested I just buy a new one. As much as I like the functionality of this lock, the fingerprint sensor just isn't reliable and neither is the post sales service.
I guess it's a roll of the dice. I've had mine for almost two years and it's still working great. O.o
@@SpyderZT totally agree about the roll of the dice. I am sure there are many lucky owners like you who don't have any issues. The real test of a company is what happens when there is a problem. For me that's where the biggest fail lies with Ultraloq. Promising me a replacement sensor, then saying replacement sensors are not available, and ending the conversation with I am beyond warranty (even though I reported it within the warranty) because they dragged the issue out due to their slow responses is terrible customer service. Unfortunately I have read others who experienced similar service stories.
Yeah, Good CS goes a LONG Way towards making up for quality issues, I agree. I'll buy a cheaper "Potentially Delicate" device with awesome customer service over a "Probaby Fine" device with BS CS. ;P Sad to hear they're on the bad side. ;?
Had mine for 9 months on our main door. The figerprint sensor is about the only way we ever use it and still works perfectly. If I have an issue, it is usually due to a wet finger or pressing too hard.
@@Nitrousbird hopefully yours continues to work.
thanks for sharing this bump feature with us. I like to be an informed buyer when lock shopping. happy holidays LPL & Mrs. LPL
Wow, a video where LPL doesn't oust and blatantly call the manufacturer out, I'm impressed by UltraLoq!
That back up pin tumbler lock is garbage - even a novice could rake it in a few seconds. There's no excuse for having zero security pins in a lock these days, especially one this expensive.
If you bought this you'd want to swap the core out for something a lot better.
Happy Thanksgiving LPL and All....
I really wanted to get covert companion for my birthday but my parents think I’ll be using it for illegal stuff smh. The updated website looks awesome by the way! Super sleek and modern, definitely setting the bar for other creators!
I've got this exact lock, and I love it.
I love the disassembly videos!
I assume the reason there weren't Many safety Features on the Backup core is because at a glance, you'd think there was None at all
This was a fun video! Liked it a lot. Please make more of these curiosities :)
I have experience with one of these locks and overall find it pretty good once you drop in a couple of security pins.
The biggest drawback is that the lock has what the manufacturer terms a "feature" that significantly reduces the overall physical security of the device.
Since the manufacture refuses to fix it I'm not going to disclose it publicly, but it's enough to prevent the use of their decive for any purpose where you want an above average level.of security.
“And we got this open.” Another LPL common saying.
His mantra????
My black Friday covert kit came very quickly.
Thank you for the awesome price.
The only lawyer whom I actually trust their word
You have a lot to learn. NEVER trust any lawyer.
@@rmsg7504 no doubt.
Not only can he take a lock apart fast but he has a very steady hand and all the right tools , he amazes me with the speed he has with his slow movements
The manufacturer does supply a SC1 core upon request (as I was thoroughly surprised when I received mine - they advertise SC1 on their product pages). I'm curious if their SC1 core has a similar feature?
What's funny is mine came with the SC core and they had to send me the KW.
Is the SC core better than a kw core?
I wanted SC to key against other doors. I have to say this core is not as smooth as the others in normal key based operation.
@@skiing3151 ah, Okay thanks!
Finally reviewed the locks ive had on both my front and rear doors for quite some time now
It looks like you can either just replace the core or at minimum repin it with spools, serrated pins and what not to something much harder to pick. However, given it's Bluetooth, wifi and smart home integration, there's probably an easy way of tricking the lock to open itself.
No bet on that!
You're not using this on a bank vault. On your house if someone can't get in quick and easy they will just smash their way in. No thief is wasting time fighting with a WiFi or Bluetooth connection.
Man your a wizard of your craft. I love learning about locks from you. Lol thanks dude
Bump protection but no security pins, bizarre!
Or a manufacturing defect where it wasn't drilled correctly. 😆
It's almost certainly not a defect, if this were an inadvertent thing you'd get a lot of locks where they couldn't be pinned up to plan because of it and it'd cause mayhem.
I suspect this core comes in cheap (no security pins) and fancy (security pins, maybe a hard steel first pin for drill resistance) versions... and this manufacturer knew most people wouldn't know the difference so they could save the extra 50p.
Throw back to when you used to take apart things
I got excited when you said you were having steep discounts on Lishi tools this week but it looks like your prices have actually gone up about 30% from last week! What the heck??
LPL has a for-profit business. Price shop you'll find better prices but why not help him out a little.
@@rmsg7504 That's not the point. He said the prices have been discounted for this sale, but when I checked I found that his prices have actually increased significantly since last week. I'm hoping it's a mistake but he has not responded.
@@jeeporegon9817 You can shop online too, lots of knock-offs exist. I have about 50 of these for auto, motorcycles and commercial and I paid full price but if you just want one or two and your doing it for fun just get the knock-offs. Original Lishi and Genuine Lishi are legitimate businesses but there are knock-offs all over the place. Some of the knock offs have keyways the legit companies don't too. I like giving LPL business when I can but if someone else has it cheaper I'll go there.
I truly enjoy this man's videos. He can praise a lock while picking it in seconds.
In the context this "anti-bump-feature" might just be bad machining tolerances.
I just paid $300 for a lock and this man just showed the world how to open it
LOL 😭 LPL makes money on your tears
Is there another similar lock system around the same price mark that is better that you would recommend? Do you have a chart of best locks to worst for standard (key only), keypad (digital) and combination for both key and digital like this one you're reviewing?? Love the videos, keep them coming! :)
Nice to see the lock disassembly again. missed it
There are screws visible when accessing the mechanical lock as well as cables in the hinge - is this lock also susceptible to some of the electronic locks vulnerabilities you've featured as well?
The wires just passes the keypad input through the door to the interior unit and the screws only allows access to the keypad. You still have to enter the numbers through that wire to the interior unit so the screws and wires does not give you anymore access than before.
“Let me pick this lock and I’ll show you,” he says, referring to how great the bumpkey resistance works.
I wonder if you could replace the core or at least the pins with something more pick resistant
The core is fairly standard, other than the key pin depth on 3, so repining is easy. If you like the key, you only need to change the driver pins to significantly increase pick resistance.
@@bmitch3020 Toss in a lighter-flint spring or two, add some serrated pins, a spool, and file two driver pins to act as traps in the Kwikset core holes-and you would have a core that would definitely no longer be the weak part of this thing.
A drill and a 1/8" bit will defeat any top pins and spring combinations. So will a rock through a window.
@@rmsg7504 Anti-drill features are not hard to implement. Also, both those entry methods are noisy.
The target here, and indeed the OP of this thread, was only focused on the pick-resistance of the lock.
"Well, the house is susceptible to having a tank driven through the wall" is another option you hadn't considered, and also significantly faster at gaining entry to the house.
@@ConstantlyDamaged When has noisy ever stopped a burglar LOL? They just kick the door in usually. But some use tools and power tools. Having a legit burglar alarm and cameras is necessary if you really want to slow down, stop or catch them. Honestly even that won't stop them but at least you'll be notified and have video. If its a AirBNB or rental, there might not be anyone around to LISTEN for a break in.
Damn you are being very generous with your compliments on this lock
I was looking at this brand of lock. You made EZ work of it, but you're probably the best on the planet! You never cease to amaze me LPL!
He wouldn't claim to be 'the best' at all this is a hobby. You could be this good with a little practice.
That's the lock I have on my front door! Been loving it.
I have to say, while I have watched many many of your videos where you pull apart locks which are expensive and supposed to be offering more security in exchange for that expense, I truly wish that when you reviewed these locks you would tell us how to make them better. Replace pins, or add an additional security feature. In my mind, a lock this technologically advanced should have some sort of built in alarm the moment you pop open the mechanical lock and it should immediately record a timestamp and alert some security company or hell just send the owner an email the moment the keypad was bypassed. Like, yes you can pop this open and pick it or a locksmith could bypass it but I want an immediate record of the event sent to me.
I have one. I get a text every time the lock is locked or unlocked.
@@barryomahony4983 what about if the lock is bypassed? And which model is it?
It doesn’t matter how the lock is opened- fingerprint, code, key, internal knob, or the app on my phone- I get a text. There’s a big 4’x4’ window right next to the door anyway, so I don’t get too carried away with security. I just like the fingerprint reader; very fast and accurate
@@barryomahony4983 what model lock is it you have? The one in the video?
LPL did mention you can connect this to your phone and to home automation programs such as Home Assistant, so I would assume there would be features to detect when the door was opened, regardless of what was used.
Glad to see that LPL still has his original sorting tray from before he was famous. In other videos since some there was a fancy schmanzhy custom LPL embossed one.
I have three of these on my house, and it came with a custom branded key that didn't have a Schlage or Kwikset bow. It had a plain rectangle - it almost looks like an old (pre-chip) car key.
I rekeyed 2/3 of the locks so I could use the same backup key for all 3 and I found it difficult to get standard replacement pins to fit, but I made it work. Luckily so far I haven't ever had to use the physical key.
Are all your three locks re-keyed to a common master? Does these unusual features mentioned make re-keying more difficult or irrelevant? - to a lock smith
@@longshuang99 I rekeyed 2/3 to work with the key that came with one of them. The features of the lock don't interfere with the rekeying at all. It's a regular cylinder inside.
I love the recent focus on smart locks, keep up the good work!
I’m always amazed on how bad locks there are, especially in the US. All houses here have Abloy locks, which at least seem to give even LPL a slight challenge
Very interesting, thanks for the tear down and demonstration. 💜
I've always wondered. What is the cost difference between a standard and security pin?
Probably 1 cent vs 3 cents per pin and you need 5 pins for a lock like this.
This is nice to see in a lock like this that they had a decent backup key cylinder all smart locks really should have that still. This is why I went with my original wyze door lock that is just back to a deadbolt and attaches universally to any front key cylinder for a deadbolt. so I got the best key cylinder I could find and the electronics are not exposed in front just looks like a normal door deadbolt from the front which makes it my favorite smart lock.
I don't know if this can be exploited on the lock or not but the cable is exposed when you open it at @0:50
LPL: Notices unusual feature but doesn't comment much on the rest of the lock itself.
But can you open the lock by prying the pushbutton housing off the door and stripping the wires back to connect certain wires together?
If you can some how manage to pry the housing of the door it wouldn't matter if you can get to the wires as at that point you have access to the bar and can just turn it
A decent smartlock sends only key-scan signals, nothing that will cause the door to open unless the right sequence of codes is entered.
As dlevi67 said, the wires are there just to send key codes to the main mechanism / processor, which lives on the other side.
At most what you can do is send a strong current and burn the circuits, rendering the door unopenable by electronic means. But even that's not guaranteed: If they use opto-isolation inside, such overcurrent will only destroy the opto-isolator LEDs, but the main circuitry will still be safe.
There's clearly a lot of prep work that goes into a video like this, since he already knows what's inside to show us. It would be fascinating to see the real time experimenting (bumping, raking, etc.) as he explores a new lock to find it's vulnerabilities and features for the first time.
Exactly, with enough prep time anyone can look like a genius. I don't see LPL picking locks in the wild, there's a reason for that....
Whatever lock keeps LPL on-air for nearly 6 minutes for us viewers, is a good lock.
But this one doesn't. It keeps him busy picking for 27 seconds 1:54 - 2:22 (admittedly with a Lishi tool, which makes things easier and de-skills things, but he could have single-pin picked it with a normal pick in the same amount of time). The rest of the time is discussing the features and taking the lock apart to show the anti-bump drilling.
I'm willing to bet this could be raked by a relative novice in a few seconds. There's no excuse for a lock with no security pins.
@@dlevi67 5:55 is right there on the screen. Read definition of "whatever."
@@davidcovington901 Whatever.
Two mildly complimentary videos in one month? Must be an early Xmas gift to lockmakers everywhere.
is there a channel that reviews covert instruments? i bet masterlock and amazon would sponsor it for a few 1-star reviews! 😃
Lock noob, who despite the name seems a good lockpicker, reviewed the covert companion some time ago.
95% sure that 2-3 of the pins in my rv door lock have that, I had to replace it twice and it doesn’t key impression well either, so I had to pick it, I’ll give it a look over if you want, I have the original in the truck, I didn’t realize this was the function of it, there’s no other features and the whole handle and lock can be removed with a drill or sharp punch to push a tab in
I would be interested to know if accessing the mechanical lock triggers an alarm (code).
If you have the wifi feature setup with it, you can get notifications when it locks/unlocks and if it was code/bluetooth/fingerprint so you could know who it was. I would assume if it told you it was just "unlocked" you would have to assume it was from the inside or with the key.
what impress me most is the fact he has more trouble opening packages and unscrewing screws that lockpicking.
In this case "unusual features" mean
Cost saving measure (bow shape)
Retail price raising measure (random obscure bump protection feature).
I think I speak for all of us when I say, the title led me to believe the 'unusual feature' was surely going to be a laughable bypass.
Those pin stacks all looked small, is this core vulnerable to comb picking?
You have so many tools. A video on the range and what's for what, and overview you like, would be nice.
I had the same thought after about ten videos, the man is definitely well equipped and prepared.
he's got bump keys and hammers, a bunch of picks (short, medium, long hooks, offset hybrid, small diamond) and rakes (probably worm, camel, city, and waves), a lishi for most American keyways (door and automotive), pinning trays, followers, at least 2 disc-detainer picks, pinning tweezers, and a lot of firearms
I never understood why they put in these "normal" locks, in so high tech locks, couldn't they just keep using the old lock, since it's no way more secure than the weakest link anyways?
So you don't get locked out of your house if the so-called high tech part of your lock breaks down.
People fall for marketing gimmicks.. Same lock..add gimmick.. charge more.. Wait that sounds like Master Lock.
@@Icspiders247 Okay, but then there's no need for the high-tech part I guess? Where I live our key has a chip in it and it needs to register the chip when you put it in the keyhole, to let you in the building.. but one doesn't work without the other and that makes more sense to me
@@wuggie88 With a keypad you don't have to take a key out of your pocket. Just enter the code and go on in. The regular lock is unlocked by the keypad part. The key acts as a backup if the smart lock stops working for some reason.
@@Icspiders247 Also allows you to have only 1 key (or 1 key and a backup) but let multiple people inside your home when you're not there, such as family, friends etc.
My friend used to have a keysafe on the outside of his property and his friends knew the combination so we could go in and out of his house as we pleased. Luckily we had a very trustworthy friend group and nothing was ever stolen from his house.
What I've learned by this video: There >is< a protection against Bumpkeys which otherwise will open even relatively expensive locks. I hope manufacturers will use this more often!
I love this lock! I have one and it's amazing. Better than August. Just hit play, hopeing it's pretty good.
My key is entirely different, the top of it looks like no other key I have. I'm pretty happy he didn't have a quick magnet hack or something.
Anyone looking for a smart lock, I've been through many brands (I do IT for a living), this one has the most features and fastest response time.
Aye, I got one of their thumbprint lever locks from their kickstarter way back. Aside from taking a few tries to get in, I love it.
The only problem I ever had with it was when I was charging the batteries and I closed the door. Normally I ductape the latch open, but I was heading out to work and the recent addition of a furry friend to the family and wanting to keep him out of my room... Lets just say the fire department was called, and when the couldn't wedge the frame apart I broke one of the windows from its frame.
Mind you, this was in the dead of winter so opening that window required a blowdryer and a footstep. Now I'm actually more concerned about the windows and how easy they are to break into.
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