Find THE BEST Flight School | The ULTIMATE GUIDE
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2024
- Learning to fly is an AMAZING experience, but picking a flight school can be TOUGH! There are a lot of things to consider like airports, airplanes, how your trained, cost, and MORE! In this video, we try to break things down into what you should be looking for and considering in what we call the Ultimate Guide To Picking A flight School. We may miss a few things here and there, but the video is already long enough!
Sorry for all the talking head too. I just don't have a lot of B Roll of flight schools or cool video for when we're talking about money. Feel free to minimize and listen!
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0:00 Don't Sign Up Yet
0:38 Part 61 Or Part 141
2:05 Ignore Costs
2:25 Flight School Location
2:38 Best Locations
3:58 Tricky Marketing
4:30 Do Some Research
5:02 Visiting Schools
6:02 What to look for
7:22 What questions to ask
12:09 Evaluating Schools
13:05 Flight School Cost
16:45 Choose Best School For YOU
17:13 Go On Discovery Flights
19:09 Choose the School!
19:30 GET A MEDICAL CERTIFICATE
19:57 Enrollment
20:18 RED FLAGS!
22:03 Training RED FLAGS!
23:22 HAVE FUN!
Today I talked to the "renowned" flight academy I had been fantasizing about and truly interested in for the last few months, and after thankfully having watched this video, I was absolutely shocked they actually refused no only to offer a discovery flight service but to visit their campus and facilities. You had to be "almost totally commited" to join one of their integrated trainings (from 65.000$ to 120.000$) in advance in order to get to visit their facilities and finally talk personally to one of their assistants. Not to talk about how evidently elusive and unpolite they were when being asked half of this questions.
Crazy as hell and a 100lvl red flag. I can't thank you enough for the massive value and true help you contributed with this video removing the blind fold every aviation dreamer has at the start. This is a video to thank and really feel priviliged to have access to nowadays with this current situation.
Man, keep the good work, this is what I call passion for something. Cheers!!
Thanks for the feedback and story. We're really glad it helped you make a better decision. It really is hard for perspective pilots out there.
Totally got this same vibe from everyone who tries to communicate with that school, even my friend who works for that company got the cold shoulder.
@@SPARTANlabs which school was this?
@@Random_Person1023 the united school
@@SPARTANlabs interesting, that's good to know. there's a lot of options right now and I'm trying to narrow them down so information like this is helpful
Very well done!! Learned a few new things for sure!!
Keep up the good work!!
G -Man
Thanks! Will do!
Thank you! A lot of insight plus valuable obvious points stated here!
Glad it was helpful!
Well made video!! I´ve visited a dozen of schools, instructors, airports and planes and totally agree on this. I would add to try different planes (low wings and high wings) to find out the one that fits you the best and ask for school syllabus and have a good taste of their overall atmosphere too. Keep ´m coming, Carl!
Thanks for the tips! I liked training in the cessna, but really want to fly low wings right now.
@@flywiththeguys I like low wings too a lot (imho easier to land too), but when it's so hot during summer I prefer high wings :-)
This video incredibly informative. Thank you for being so thorough.
No problem. Hope it helps!
Absolutely right!!!!! I had a good instructor when I started my PPL, but then he moved on with an airline. So he passed me to another instructor. This guys charges me wayyy too much! I do the preflight check ups by myself and fly for an hr, but instead of charging me for just 1.0 hr, he charges me for 1.3, 1.4 hours! which also increases on the aircraft rental price and the instructor’s price! I’m scared to speak up because I don’t want him to sabotage me.
Unless they're doing a good brief and debrief with you I would be upset. My instructor charged the .3 extra for that. Unless we didn't have one because I did my homework. If you're ready to go and its a hop into the plane thing, that's really frustrating. BUT, all instructors charge different. Some just for flight time. Others do what yours is doing, as explained, and other charge the moment they show up. The latter being more for people with their own planes. SO its in the students best interest to be ready and have the plane ready to minimize briefings and downtime. If your current instructor is doing that and charging you to preflight his plane with no real briefing..... yea..... I would find someone else.
Great video! To roll off your schedule viewing another thing I asked when looking was how soon can I start training? A busy school might not have a spot for you for a couple months! I picked Fly Goodyear for my PPL and am currently going through commercial there as they were a great fit for what I was looking for.
Good advice. I have heard of schools doing that, but most will admit anyone with cash no matter what. I enjoyed my experience at fly goodyear when we made our spin training video. Tell John I say hi. =)
Currently at a 61 school (around 12 hours for PPL), instructor rates are cheaper and the instructors are really solid (and experienced). Sadly, they relocated a bit further away and r/l situation requires a lesser commute. I appreciate your video. These questions and being armed with already having solid instructors will have me well equipped to search around.
What school?
Thank you for making this! I keep referring to it as I shop for the best flight school for me. (Of course, with the recent increases in the price of gas, my #1 choice went from being just under 1500CAD more to almost 2700CAD more than my #2 and #3 choices, which are nearly equally priced.)
Yea... Fuel prices are killing me right now too. 6USD per gallon. ICK!
I'm enrolled in a school now and the information is spot on. Pricing wise there are also independent CFI's who own their aircraft, also smaller flying clubs with CFI's on staff, these are harder to find, but can provide valuable savings. That said, airport congestion, weather cancellations and travel time to/from practice areas is high on the list of my annoyances, as well as schools that demand a huge chunk of $ up front (hint: run). You'll also find different price for schools that help you with financing vs if you paid cash.
Thanks for saying all that, but are you saying that you've found schools that offer financing jack their prices up a bit more?
I’m currently doing training not through a school a small club with several CFI’s on staff and they only charge for air time when the engine is running. For the preflight they just charge the instructor rate
@@flywiththeguys my understanding is that schools need to "bill" the finance company as the lessons progress so that complexity will add on to the cost of things compared to paying cash up front.. So yeah it'll probably cost more going the financing way at a big flight school
Excellent summary. Will be sharing with a friend who is considering Part 61.
I’m ok with that! Thanks for watching. 😁
Great information, thank you!
Hope it helps!
Great info. Thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Very informative, thank you very much.
No problem. Hope it helps!
Westwind, AZ alum here. I can attest it’s a dang solid school in overall attributes (maintenance, scheduling, efficiency, price, geographic location, etc…). It is airline oriented- meaning uniform required, and has that “company culture” feel. They’ve been bought out by United aviate though have kept key personnel. Definitely one of the top schools in the nation.
It's been fun seeing all the westwind aircraft over the years. Right now it seems like they're just sitting though....
@@flywiththeguys interesting 🤔 could be the fact that they'll be migrating to Goodyear soon
Think they are permanently closed
Very well presented. Thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the advice.
No problem. Hope it helps!
Excellent stuff bro
THANKS!
Very good valid points a lot to think about when pursuing this endeavor
Agreed. No one should run at a aviation blind, but it happens a lot sadly.
@@flywiththeguys definitely
Thanks....I wish there was a ultra light flight lessons. Tough to find here in eastern TN.
I've never looked. Have you tried a few of the pilot groups on Facebook?
I have not...but forgot about that. I will check it out. Thanks!
I'm not a pilot yet but I had always heard never pay upfront and then I saw why. Falcon Aviation (KCCO) that had been around forever closed. They had hundreds of students from China. They would train here and then go back home as pilots. It was so big they bought a hotel to use as student housing. Never assume that a flight school is too big to close. I talked to someone that worked there and they told them at 5:00 that afternoon when they got off work not to come back the next day, they had closed their doors for the last time. No warning, just gone. Tons of students from China were just left here with their money gone. They had to make their way back home.
It's super frustrating too for everyone involved. I've mostly heard of students deciding the want to change schools and asking for their remaining balance left, only to find there isn't as much left as they thought, the school wont give it back, or they're actually half way through their training and the money is gone. Schools are not always as financially responsible as you may think.
Looks like the Goodyear FBO and school in the B roll. I'm considering attending there.
Fly Goodyear? My buddy works there and says its actually a good place to train at.
Anther brill video thanks for the really useful content.
My pleasure! We love it when you guys love what we make.
This was extremely thorough. Wow. Thank you for the hard work!
Glad it helped!
This was very helpful
Good! Its a lot of great information I wish I knew when I got started.
This guy has a voice that is just PERFECT for this.. LOL. He sounds like a bonafide voice actor. Does he have a podcast?
LOL. Thanks!
Damn good video!
Thank you. Hopefully it helped out a bit.
Thanks for the very informative video. Hope you can answer a question in mind. Should the age of the airplanes be considered in choosing a flight school? Or would it be okay to choose an older airplane as long as the systems installed are up to date? Would also be great to know what specs should be looked into in choosing an airplane. Some schools I see have higher Garmin XXX than others (Not that I know what they are).
The age doesn’t matter that much. I trained in a 1976. Typically more expensive better equipped aircraft cost more per hour to train in. As long as it’s properly maintained and has the avionics needed to get the job done, it should be fine. The newer Garmin products are nice and alleviate a lot of workload, but they do come at a cost.
great video. I recently dodged a bullet with a flight school that had 2 locations, one in san diego and one in the midwest. the COO has you only allowed for 2 "free interviews" and does not answer his email inbox. Once I got ahold of him, he told me how he was gay (what does this have to do with flying? other than the statistically higher percentage of deceiving other people). It took a month to get him to prepare a contract, and once I saw the contract I felt disrespected, he was charging 5x the industry average for training. I even told him how much I had to work with, which was more than reasonable. I reached out again professionally and he did not reply. Sad to see flight schools like this exist. Purely profit driven and high pressure sales.
I'm glad you dodged that! I've heard of a few that operate that way. I tell people to avoid ATP at all costs.
You obviously researched this and know the topic very well. This is a great resource for those looking to become a pilot.
Thanks Steve. It's why this video took so long to make. Just didn't have the time to sit down for hours to write and research. Could have taken another week of work if I wanted, but I was ready to get it off my plate.
really best videos
Thansk!
Very organized, informative and serious video Carl, your choice of shirts however ........
I know right. Should have worn my own, but the new ones haven't arrived just yet.
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@@flywiththeguys Actually this comment wasn't meant for you Carl, it's for Chad cause that is a Chad kinda move.
@@paratyshow Ah. I'll relay the information. He's out back sleeping in the hammock. So lazy....
@@flywiththeguys typical Chad ……..
Boom!
Shakalaka!
I work on my ratings for new carrier with American flyers in their 101 carrier program
I had a buddy that did a bunch of American Flyers. HAVE FUN!
@Fly With The Guys I sure do taken getting used to the c172s from pa28-161 warrior 2
Hello .. can anyone tell me about South Africas Cape Town training school ?
hey boss, appreciate the video, Ive currently been looking into a flight school attached to a university. AEROGUARD has been one ive really been debating but ive seen a lot off bad reviews and being someone with no experience what advice would you have for someone like me who is getting out of the military and looking to start a career as an airline pilot? based in Arizona
Can you message me over on my website. We can discuss this further over there.
I am from Mexico and currenrly living in Cancun, i have been doing my research about flight schools in the US but it's overhelming the amount of schools there are. I'm also not sure if its better option to study abroad or to stay in Mexico, is there any diference on the certification I would get?
There are a LOT of schools, and not all of them are created equal. There is a difference in training for sure, small difference. But I'm not sure how the license would work outside Mexico. I'm not up to speed on international flying and certificates. Sorry we cant be of more help.
That would probably depend on what you goals are- do you want to be an airline pilot?
Do you want to continue living in Mexico? I would guess that it's probably alot cheaper for school and to fly in Mexico, and might not require as many certificates and hours to be an airline pilot
In America its required to have 1500 hours to fly for an airline, which can be extremely costly, and takes time
If living in America is your goal, then maybe doing flight school in America is a good idea, I believe you would need a work visa
You could always learn in Mexico, build your hours for cheap, and once you have 1500 hours you can apply for the FAA license
I hear Phillipeans is cheap to fly and people do training, then transfer license to America
nice
Thanks
Do you know about the flight training program at Chandler-Gilbert, at gateway, that is run by UND?
I don't. Haven't been down there. Only time I've landed there was at night for stop and go's.
@@flywiththeguys very good program. You get your private, instrument, multi, and commercial, in 18 months. 2 years of school and the summer program. Then you usually have the option to flight instruct to get your hours. Assuming you have your CFI…very happy with the program.
at what age should i start flight school
Do you have any opinions about American Flyers at the North Addison, TX location?
I try to stay out of answering questions like these. It's a lot of money for me to recommend something to someone that doesn't work out. Good luck in your journey though! Hope you find what works best for you.
I took a Discovery Flight recently and here is a question if you'd be kind to answer. The flight instructor was super nice, but the plane (172s Cessna with G1000) was beat up. The dash material was completely ripped off, right hand tire grooves had dry-rod. The tire on the right did not match the the tire on the left. The HDG on the dash was not working as it had a Red cross mark .The plane was was super dirty inside and out. And, they told me that they only had (1) 172S out of (5) in running order. Should I be concerned?
To me that would be a concern. They don't take pride in their aircraft enough to keep them clean and running. I can get past the dirty beat up plane, but 1/5 working is kinda a red flag for me.
@@flywiththeguys thank you!
How long was your first discovery flight that it cost $200? Even with rising fuel costs, all of the schools in my area (and there are several) are at or just below $100. Not knocking your choice or school, Im just curious what factors in there.
Full hour of flight! Which I really appreciated. I was able to go out and do more than just a touch and go and things weren’t rushed. A lot of places only do 30 minutes of flight.
@@flywiththeguys, okay that makes more sense. And frankly now it leaves me feeling disapointed because my local schools only offer about 30 minutes 😔
Because I'm from Bangladesh, and I'm looking for Flight Schools abroad, I'm having a hard time narrowing down the ideal school, then there's the visa issues and discovery flight is out of the window.
I understand that one. It can be hard. I wish I had better advice for that one.
I am doing my own research out there for flight schools. I just had a webinar online for PEA which offers help with F1 visas. Just so you know. It might be worth to check it out for you.
so if my school has 4 instructors, and my instructor has 12 trainees assigned to him that isn't a good sign? Serious question btw especially since they will be losing one instructor next month.
I would say that's a bit much. Doesn't leave much room for your instructor to spend with you when needed. Especially if they now have to pickup the lost instructors students. Thats a really high ratio IMO.
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Agreed!
Nice thumbnail bud
Thanks!
For me it's recreation.
Me too mostly. And then I bring you guys along with me. =)
Is Florida flyers / a good one ?
No idea. Check around on some facebook groups, you'll probably have better luck getting answers there. Also, check out their google reviews. they have a couple hundred. See what people are saying there!
Oh yeah!
I've always wanted to know which *_Fligh_* school to pick!
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😂😂😂 it was really early when I finished this. And I’m too far from home to fix it until later. 🤣🤣🤣
Good news. You can now attend a flight school. =)
@@flywiththeguys
Ah! I was sort of joking around, but I'm stoked that you actually did that (and responded to my message!)
Great video, as always... Super informative, and i think you know more than you let on 😁
Can't wait to see what the next flying video will bring!
@@BroAnarchy Thanks! And I knew you were joking. I laugh at my mistakes most of the time. My wife always gives me a hard time when they're spelling related.... =)
There are no good flight schools, only not as bad as other flight schools, flight schools 😄
That's one perspective! LOL
Having a variety of CFIs can be a good thing. Each CFI offers something the other does not. It’s not necessarily a bad thing to change CFIs.
I totally agree, but I had a buddy who's instructors kept jumping to the airlines and every time he got a new one at a school it was 3-5 hours of training. I flew with a bunch of different instructors and learned a LOT, but had one primary one I worked with throughout training.
I'm pretty sure now that I'll end up spending more than I need to just because I don't want to listen to just one instructor or one school for that matter. An extra 3-5 hours not so bad but I'd probably have to cut myself off somewhere as it could add up ;)
What ever happened to the "Hold my Beer Pilot School"
Sounds like a good school.
where do you go?
I got my certificate privately. I'm getting some ratings from another school called Fly Eagle Sport out of Glendale airport in Arizona.
I miss ty :(
Yes around. We'll get him in some videos next year. Maybe even have him start on his private pilot. Duno yet.
Part 141 has absolutely done nothing for me except be a black hole. They are rarely structured as they advertise. Maybe it’s different somewhere like atp of aeroguard but the majority of 141 schools are money scams. Go part 61 had I id be done by now
Really depends on the program and even location if their a chain. I prefer 61 personally too.
How do i know which flight schools are credible? I am scared to get scammed
Just do the leg work and ask to talk with some past students. You can ask them some of the same questions about the school and see if they had to do it all over again, would they choose that school or instructor. In reality, most schools arn't bad.
What are your thoughts about cadet programs? Is the selection process competitive and is it even worth applying? Do those who have more experience get priority versus the newer prospect students with no experience? I was considering applying to Frontier's cadet program@@flywiththeguys
Note. You're talking to people searching for a school but you're using industry lingo. What's an FBO? What's a discovery flight? Remember people clicking here don't know all the inside jargon.
You're not wrong on that. FBO or fixed base operator is like the gas and service station at the airport. A discovery flight is exactly like it sounds. Your first flight.
Can you bring your own plane to learn?
If your mission is to fly for pleasure, this is a fun way to go. There are many independent CFIs who will work with you, and there is a lot to learn by owning and maintaining your own aircraft. Not sure about the cost savings, but if you’re going to fly lots after you earn your certificate, this can be the more economical way to go.
It’s important to keep in mind that flight schools generally will not work with YOUR airplane, they’ll only train you in theirs.
Independent CFIs are often not chasing an airline job, but are instructing because they just love what they do. There’s a lot of benefits to using an independent.
Yes, but not all schools allow it. There are plenty of independent CFI's, though.
Most schools like to train in their aircraft because of liability, maintenance, and insurance. Unless you're leasing your plane back to the school, you'll probably be using their planes. BUT, like Steve said, you can always hire an independent flight instructor to train you in your plane.
Do you have like a PDF or a place with the list of questions?
I do not. I didn't even think to make one. I'll get it on my list of things to do.
Taking a loan is good idea. Pls reply.
Is that a question or statement? Unfortunately I don't get involved in peoples personal finances so that's up to you.
@@flywiththeguys Hey Does International Student get Work Permit to work in USA for Pilot.
@@madrauchia1913 No idea. I've never looked into it. Sorry I cant be more help. Thats 2 for 2!
@@flywiththeguys Ok Thanks For reply.
Should your flight school have a curriculum
Absolutely. If not, look elsewhere 😁
As in a plan all the students follow? YES! You can always ask to see a syllabus during the interview. Even most private instructors have something they follow.
Never make the flight school your bank! If they want money up front, go somewhere else!
First thing we say in this video! ua-cam.com/video/6KNgTUZkTeQ/v-deo.html
Why??? You can't afford it!...GA priced itself right out of existence! Who stupid enough to pay 300 bucks for a 172 plus 80 buck/hrfor CFI ??? Ppl cost 18k now....plus 800/ for DPE??? Kno how many hamburgers I could buy for that???....once upon a time,a ppl cost 900 bucks,and chkride from FAA was free! I went to the feds to take my chk rides!!
You even need a license to fly your model airplane now what kind of b/s is that???
Fligh school? Your title card is missing a T.
Yea, finished the thumbnail really early yesterday morning after a long night of editing.... I fixed it though. Should have the T now.
Well Florida is off base. I’m not a supporter and could not be bothered with such crap. So the next time I fly commercial I’ll ask the pilot if Trump man, if so best to deplane!
Does anyone here in the comments have anything good or bad to say about Blue Line Aviation School? It would be very appreciated since I’m considering them.
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One of the schools I visited down here in South Florida had a sign outside that read, "We train everybody, but if you're a Trump supporter, you'll get a nice discount", and to my surprise, the entire place was packed, and what's funny is that all of the planes had Trump/Pence stickers on them so if you said you were a Trump supporter just to get the discount, you'd have to fly on a plane that was basically a flying Trump ad. Gotta love Florida!...
Thats funny! Thanks for sharing it. =)
Love that
That's awesome lol... Do you by chance remember the name of the school?
Simping for simpletons. DoD must LOVE that school for the brain rot drones.
What is the name of this school ? I’m looking for a school and I’d love to give them a shot.