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New Labradar LX vs Garmin Xero chronographs, 33xc, Glock 19, suppressed 22LR
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2024
- I had the opportunity to do a quick impromptu video with the new Labradar LX and the Garmin Xero so I jumped on it since they wont be available for another month or two.
One of the complaints about the original Labradar is that it had to be aimed perfectly in order to capture shots. I show that the LabLX can be pointed 25 degrees at an angle and still capture shots. I also shoot some pistols which has never been done before on my channel and show how it captures subsonic and suppressed 22LR.
The adjustable bag shown in the video is my Airfoil, available in my store
ryancheneyelr....
I have a LabRadar and it works ok for CF guns but sucks for RF guns. Contacted LabRadar and almost begged them to let me send it in for an inspection and possible repair. They never agreed to do this for me. Instead they jagged around making suggestions on how to set it up and adjust this that and the other most of which I had already tried. They even wanted pictures of the shooting ranges I was at which I sent them. In the end LabRadar just stopped communicating with me. I bought a Garmin Xero and have had no problems at all and it has never missed picking up a shot, not one. You can keep your LabRadar and be happy. I’ll stick with what I know to be a fully functional small, lightweight product in the Garmin. I don’t give two hoots in Hades about how a LabRadar feels, I care about their customer support and they have none.
Fair enough. Thank you for the assessment I will pass it along.
They gave me excellent customer support. Labradar isn't a fly by and they are the innovators of the doppler radar for consumers which counts for quite a bit. I also agree that as our friendly northern neighbor, they are first on my mind. The idea that it is a substantial unit in weight and feel also appeals to me. Nothing against Garmin which is excellent. The sight alignment to the target on the Labradar is a very practical and useful function !
@@paulhomsy2751 They didn't do much innovating when they had the monopoly that's for sure. As for a 'substantial unit in weight and feel'. That is precisely why I went for the smaller, lighter Garmin. Had it for 6 months with no regrets. It has not missed a single shot.
I wes getting excited about the LR and hearing about its construction and weight because of a potentially better build quality, but after reading so many negative comments about their QC from a large percentage of users, I may end up getting a Garmin since they're used to making quality/durable electronics in small packages. Great review.
@@TheBvirgilio86 it’s been on the market for a couple weeks, what large percentage of users are you talking about? I haven’t heard anything negative yet.
@RyanCheneyELR My mistake. I was trying to refer to the customer service complaints and concerns, and for some reason I typed QC. Not sure how I let that typo slip by, but there it is. I did enjoy your review though. Thank you.
Throw those Lab radars in the trash. Talked to them at SHOT and asked the simple question, "how's this compare to Garmin?" the answer I got was "We're lab radar"... yeah shows how ego and poor customer support has plaqued this shooting community with companies that take advantage of its consumers
I would of said, they are very similar units as far as the technology goes. Feel this unit and play with it and go over to Garmin and feel and play with theirs.
Dam Kenny if you say go with the Garmin then I’m going with the Garmin. I thought yeah the lab is metal and made in Canada. I’ll definitely support that but I am very aware of the monopoly they had and the lack of customer support. I definitely think I’m going take what your saying to hart because you have never been fake in uncle Jim’s lives.
Garmin works great I have dropped mine a lot and it is still going and I like it light.
I have a Garmin GPS on my boat and beat the crap out of it and never had an issue. The only reason I bought new units is to upgrade. Still have my original and it still works after all the rough treatment.
Really pushing the lab radar. I'm getting the Garmin.
I'll take the Garmin every day of the week. Smaller, more portable, larger numbers on the screen, Garmin support is top notch. Once had an issue and questions about sonar equipment and they took care of me. They are always updating the software for improvements. I've read nothing but complaints about Labrador working and bad customer service. I'd never give them a dollar.
Thanks for the review, it is great to have comparative data. Based on the reviews, I bought the Garmin this week. Which is better, who knows but the Garmin is available now and I do not consider its light weight to be disadvantage. It sure beats the heck out of my old Ohler 35P.
Few thoughts for you - first loving your bag, just got it last week. Garmin will keep developing the software and adding functionality- it’s what they do. The smaller form factor and weight also makes it easier and more manageable to mount on the gun. So with 40mph winds it could sit or your arca rail or diving board on top of your scope (although you probably could do that with the labradar). Lastly while manufactured abroad, Garmin is out of Olathe, Kansas.
Thanks for the support! Let your buddies try the bag!
As I said both units are very similar in functionality. I think both units will serve the firearm community well, and competition is good for the consumer. You can rail mount the LR, I will be doing that in an upcoming video. Garmin is based in Olathe, and LabRadar is in Wichita Ks. All the best stuff is made in Kansas ya know. ;)
Will definitely let my buddies try! If you have access to two of these units (Garmin or Labradar - I too had no issues at all with mine) can you test on and off the gun at the same time. I don’t think anyone has done that and I wonder if the movement of the gun causes a variation in speed.
@@sf2189 Theres another shooter in Canada I believe that was doing some testing for LR (I read his writeup the other day on FB), and he stated they tested on and off the rifle and it didnt cause a variation in speed. The way they see it is the bullet is long gone before the rifle moves enough to cause any issues with the data.
@@RyanCheneyELR Thank you. Confirmed the same on Facebook with others that tried.
one difference my knowledge Garmin is not rated for rilfe mounting.
What I don't like about lab radar is that they didn't come down on their price until they got some competition now you can get that big bulky thing cheap.
My LabRadar was a POS, labRadar customer support was not any better. They did very little to Try and support all the customers that had multiple issues with their equipment. I sold mine the day the Garmin was available. Have not missed a shot with my Garmin yet I don’t plan to ever own labRadar equipment again!
While my old Labradar has worked for me, it has not once NOT pissed me off when using it. It’s an absolute fight everytime. I bring an ak just to shoot ammo to test it for function before I can use my precision rig.
My old Labradar had issues which could sort of be solved, but the new Garmin is so small and light that there is no comparison. Even Labradar's newer FX and all these fake comments backing a fake comparison does not change the obvious. Selling my Labradar was such a relief.
The Garmin hands down has blown the LabRadar away.. let’s not do comparisons based on physical looks and feel. Naaa, the Garnin is the way forward.
Lol na. You’re about to see used Garmins for sale all over the place.
@@RyanCheneyELR, if you want to maintain some semblance of objectivity, you should stay away from comments like this. Anyone except LR fanboys are going to conclude, between this and the overall tenor of your review, that you have or are receiving financial compensation from LR (buying it yourself does not mean that you are not receiving compensation for what you say, obviously). I know I have. And if you are, you have an obligation to disclose this. Or if you have other "arrangements", contractually defined or not, you have a moral obligation to disclose this as well.
You know and shoot with friends and associates who work for LR, eh? I'm Canadian, and love to see success stories from my home and native land, but that's never the deciding factor in my buying decisions when everything else is equal.
@@medley4570 I was paid nothing by LR for these videos, the unit I used for these videos was a demo unit and It had to be returned to Canada for analysis. I agree with you though for full disclosure. I have always been loyal to LR because I used to be a dealer for them when I had my gun shop and my store was in the same city LR is from, so I built a relationship with the owners.
Labradar lost alot of peoples trust with old issues. I will never own one agian.
Sorry to hear that
Live and forgive, I've been burned by products before. Sometimes, it happens, and then the company works out the issues and, in the end, has a good product.
Same
@@jesusisalive3227 "Live and forgive"? What sort of rubbish advice is that. When Labradar enjoyed a monopoly there was never any incentive to sort out its problems. Along comes a competitor and even their new smaller brick is too little too late.
@@Klemheist-vf1hx
Looks like it's some advice you need.
I inadvertently pushed my Garmin off my bench on to a rough textured concrete floor and it didn’t sustain even a slightest mark. The only “issue” I’ve had with my Garmin is I received a temperature warning once. That was while shooting during the summer, in the south, under direct sunlight etc. where even your soul melts, lol. Provided it some shade, and it was happy again. Cell phones and other similar electronics would do the same.
Have one its measured everything from 300 win mag to air rifle . !
Its worked on the range and even in an indoor tunnel range . Never misread or picked up a shot from another shooter. Easy to use compact and reliable . I went from magneto speed which worked , never had a lab radar to compare. Garmin is the way forward in my humble opinion .
Did you see my other video where the new LabRadar picked up wood pellets fired from a straw?
No sir but I will now definitely pretty amazing how much chronograph s have come in the last few years . You've got a subscriber
Maybe you should do more research. So is Garmin a Taiwanese company, and thats why you don't want to buy it? Last I checked their head office was Kansas, USA
Their HQ is in Kansas. Made in Taiwan though. I’m loyal to LR, that’s why I didn’t buy it.
The Garmin screen seemed to be easier to read from the side when you started shooting your .22 subs. I am a LabRadar owner and am looking for a more compact and easier-to-set-up replacement. Thanks for the video.
They looked strange on video. In person the visibility was fine on both units.
I got the old lab radar and i cannot count how many rounds got wasted during load development, because the LR would not register it, would i trust to buy the new LR, definitely not, going with Garmin.
Ps thanks for the review.
I am considering a radar chronograph and this comparison has been quite helpful! Thanks Ryan!
When the LabLX comes out, go put both models in your hands first!
Don’t buy Labradar unless you can fix issues yourself. This might work okay but the minute you have problems you’re on your own.
Thanks for putting in the time to compare the units. As much as I already like my Lab Radar, I want to offload it and get the new one
I plan to keep my original LR so I have a loaner if a friend needs to borrow one.
Great video. Unfortunately for lab radar, even if her unit is superior, I don’t have much long-term hope or trust inbound. Look at all the people who invested in the original units, and after years, we still have crappy buggy software. And the US distributor for them is just very old school and not really up with the times. He was very very offputting when I was chatting with him last year at the NRA convention. Garmin, on the other hand, is a far bigger company, and actually supports her products. I mean, realistically, without lying to yourself, who do you think is going to better support the product, Garmin or LabRadar?
Yep, he was an unhelpful jerk to me too. Sold my Labradar recently and bought a Garmin. The Garmin just punctuates all the problems that were never fixed in the Labradar.
Can remember the first lab radars and all the issues,,now the garmin is out with no issues that I have seen…….
One selling point to the Lab LX, you will be able to go back to an old series and add shots. Imagine a series that just has your cold bore shots in it.
You have 2 subscribers now that found you! My father in law lives about 20 miles away. I've driven by your range many times. Awesome content!!
Thanks for the support!
Good video, but lab radar has ruined people with the prior junk they made. I've had triggering and aiming issues. Had to buy an additional trigger just for that to work. I just tried mine again today to get the speed of a new bow setup. Less than 5 yards away and couldn't get it to read the arrow after several adjustments. It most likely won't be given away or sold. Destroyed and put in the garbage is the best place after wasting $600+.
Which unit would be better for archery? You think the old labradar units or one of these? Does the LX have the archery adapter for it
The LX has archery mode and no adapter is necessary. Just point and shoot.
Grarmin is the easiest and best for what you're doing. Everyone else is trying to catch up. I would use the labradar for targets. Great video.
The user interface/screen looks better on the garmin
It’s hard to tell on a video but with them both side by side, the visibility is about the same
The LX and Garmin are different products inside. LX is a 60Ghz radar, Garmin is 24Ghz. Does that make a difference? I don't know. Doesn't look like it.
Can you tell me how is the app and synchronization to your phone or whatever. Is it fixed? I have heard that that was a huge issue on the old lab radar. People absolutely hated the connect abilities of it. Any info would be great. Thx
I just got the new beta version of the app today. I plan to test it all soon.
Any update on the app and connection @RyanCheneyELR
@@briansupermag3918 I just got back from France and am totally swamped with Airfoil bag orders, I havent had any time to make a video of it yet. It works excellent though.
Ryan, thanks for taking the time comparing these two game changer products.
No problem!
Great tests. Exactly what I wanted to see. Good luck in France !
Why carry more weight around if it works the same? Also what is the app difference and interface. As important to the unit as anything else. Thanks for the video.
The app is awesome. I will be doing a video of it soon. I can fully control the unit except turning it on and off. Start new series, arm, disarm, see shots in real time so I can be working with a client and be on the spotting scope, and have my phone showing me speed shot by shot. Also I have been told the programmers are working on a feature where you will be able to go back and add shots to old series. Imagine series 1 your cold bore shot series. 🤔
Garmin all the way.
I sent this video to my wife, and she ended up putting one of the Labradar units on order ❤
Who supplies LabRadar with the internal electronic components? Are they in house or outsourced?
From what I understand, everything is manufactured at Infinition in Canada.
I like the garmin being smaller than the new labradar, my old labradar has been good but it is too big compared to the Garmin, the Garmin being smaller is a huge plus for me.
Been waiting for this to upload! Thank you
Youre welcome! Thanks for the support!
Do u have a video on how to calculate the BC?
I havent had a chance to make it yet, i have a list of videos I need to make, Ive just been too busy making the shooting bags.
I looks like they both have the same tech on the inside. Still give simplicity to garmin.
Very similar tech. Something I just read yesterday though is that the LR has a recoil trigger feature where if you have it rifle mounted it will only react to your rifles recoil, where the garmin may be triggered by other shooters. Interested to test that when I get a chance.
@@RyanCheneyELR May be "triggered" but rejects and watches for the proper shooters projectile, apparently. This is from multiple reviews indoor and outdoor by people who aren't shills.
Quite muddies the water to determine which one to get as I didn't jump on the bandwagon for the Garmin. I think I'll just stick with my original LabRADAR for now until I have a chance to try each unit out before committing more funds for a device that will replace something that already works for me.
Good call. I feel the same way about my LR, it works perfect, but traveling and shooting internationally, I definitely need a smaller piece of equipment.
Does the new Labradar have the ability to download the shot series to a pc in a usable file format like the old Labradar? Also which new unit processes the shot the fastest?
Yes it shows up as an external device when you connect it to a PC
You did not go over the conectivity issues that plague the original Labradar. I love my Labradar but the bluetooth connectivity ALWAYS drops out. How about checking the connectivity on the new Labradar LX? This will help a lot of us decide. Thank you.
I just got the new app in beta mode, today. I’ll have some more content with it and the app once I get back out to the range.
Definitely interested to hear about the battery life in stand-by vs armed. Please? I have the old LR and want to pull the trigger on a Garmin, but as soon as the Garmin was released, I haven't had another issue with my LR where I was missing shots constantly up to the week before. It knows it has competition now.
From my tests thus far I have found that my unit will last about 4 hours armed. Now I was told that mine has a smaller battery than the actual production units will have. The production units will last about 5 hours armed. I haven’t tested it unarmed yet.
Absolutely love my garmin hasn't missed a beat yet. My only complaint is battery life could be a little longer other than that though 0 complaints
I plan to do a battery test at some point
@RyanCheneyELR realistically I could just get a power bank to solve that issue but if there's a huge difference of like 3-4 hours in terms of battery life that could easily sway someone trying to make that decision for one or the other
@@greedyboy11 I always carry a couple power banks, you never know when you might need it
The Labradar sure did jump around a lot for a bigger heaver unit.
That 33xc puts out significant muzzle blast.
I've compared my old Labradar,my Speedtracker and my Garmin.
Not much difference in any.My Garmin has not missed one shot in Thousands of shots.
Spend your money on which one makes you feel best It's your money.I will say this.
Neither one is a bad choice.
My Gen2 SppedTeacker gas not missed one shot either and it's easier to set up on my rifle on the line in a match than my Garmin.I don't have to limit myself to just one.
Thanks fir the review and goid luck in France Ryan. I hope you win.
Thank you!
Correct me if Im wrong but what I heard is that you loose warranty if you mount the Garmin on a
Gun because of the recoil…(except pcp air guns) please let me know.
Thanks in advance 😊
I’m not familiar with Garmins warranty.
I have this question in to Garmin right now as I heard the same thing. The labradar can be mounted on a gun, they advertise it that way on the website.
@@niio111I was told by LR they have tested a unit extensively without failure mounted to a rifle but they haven’t decided how they will warranty it yet.
Would like to know how they both performed with shotgun multiple shot shell
Will it accurately detect a shotgun load of pellets?
That I don’t know, I haven’t tried yet
So if I garmin would put an extra ounce of lead into the xero it would be a better product? Something that is heavier breaks easier ! The Garmin is using e paper for a display, which saves battery life i improves readability. Garmin has a much bigger dev team and doesn’t need to live off one product. Made in Taiwan is more of a quality standard for me that’s made in the us or Canada to be honest. I tested the Garmin yesterday with 223 , 308 and 338 lapua on a 100m indoor range. Recorded all 40 shots flawlessly without having to aim anything and it didn’t pick up shots from another shooter.
I was at the range with a client yesterday and he had a Garmin and I had my LX, we were shooting in pretty heavy wind, 25+. saw up to 32 mph. The garmin blew over many times, he ended up setting it in front of his bipod so it would rock back against the bipod rather than blow over. The LX never blew over.
@@RyanCheneyELR The tripod is very lightweight. It might make sense to make a contraption with a pin to stick it in the ground when you're shooting outside, if you don't want to mount it on the rifle. I consider the weight and size a plus, since i'm carrying so much stuff already in my range bag already , the garmin neither des to the weight , nor uses much extra space. I use a small gopro case for protection so it's very compact .
I thouhgt my .300 WinMag was big, I just love hearing the round make it's way downrange.
Thanks for making this Video Ryan, nice brakes BTW ;-) Cheers Greg
Thanks for the killer products!!
Just to address your remarks about power, IIRC the Labrador rep told me at SHOT Show 2024 that the LX can be used while it’s charging. I don’t have one but I’m going to order one today.
Just bought the Garmin. Just saying, I probably am not going to the range to gather load data in 40 mph winds. So the light weight doesn't bother me. But I do get your point that the new Lab radar probably feels better quality wise.
Dude, labradar reacted to Garmin full stop! Garmin is an American company and has a little more technology when it comes to Doppler innovation.
I have the labradar and it’s finicky garbage. They rested on their laurels and have been smoked by Garmin!
The new Labradar has been in development for over a year...
Infinition - the company who make LabRadar - are doppler radar specialists. That is pretty much all they have done since 1996 - though mostly for industry. The LabRadar was a world first for shooters - very innovative. Is the LX better? Time will tell.
May I ask your .375 you shot the soup can with ,is that super custom ?
Yes its a full custom built rifle. Pierce 10x action, Manners LRT stock, Bartlein 8 twist barrel, Terminator T5 muzzle brake, Triggertech 2 stage trigger, built by Gene Nowaczyk out of Missouri.
Thanks for comparison.
Hi Ryan - Thanks for the video! Could you please tell me what (where to get) the carpet/mat that your bipod is on? Thank you!
It’s just a front door mat I got from Walmart glued to a piece of 1/2” stall mat from Atwood’s
@@RyanCheneyELR Thank you! Again... I enjoyed the video!
Here for the algorithm and to thank you for taking the time to do the comparison.
Thank you for the support!
@@RyanCheneyELR I am hopeful to pick up my Garmin this week but I have to say the new labradar is an interesting piece.
@@micahkeleher8668 im excited to see what all the other youtubers have to say. I think time will prove the LR is a better value.
I'm getting a smoking deal on the Garmin and already committed to it before I knew about the LR. I'm glad to see the industry listening and continuing to make improvements.
I think it comes down to the size of the display. If I was gonna get one I'd be the LX. I don't mind the smaller display. I wonder which one has better battery life during all day use.
Thanks for the video.
Glad to see the difference the difference in the build quality.
I've had bad experience with Garim products, and now knowing it's just another piece of fantastic plastic from them that will most likely bounce around..I am more and more not buying one of those Garmin's
The Garmin seems to give the speed result much quicker than the LX. Maybe that is something they can fix/tweak in software - but the LX is about half a second slower.
Just saw an interview with one of the Garmin s/w engineers and their product manager. PM said he asked the engineers to actually put in a visible delay and indicator so that shooters wouldn't miss the fact that that round they just fired actually registered. It was so intstataneous that in the PM's testing, he missed the next shot having already been calculated on numerous occasions.
The S/W guy said he didn't agree with the PM's ask but did it. So the swirly thing that the Garmin shows between shots is actually an artificial delay to improve the user experience.
What Brake are you using Ryan? My Terminator blows my chrono over in the same position you have your Garmin..
Terminator T4+ on my 33xc and T5 on my 416, didnt have any issues with either unit blowing over.
Huh, same as my Xc T4…?
@@garycostello2449 Worked fine. I had them pretty close to the barrel, I figured the blast was going around them.
You looking great after the weight lost ! I’m one of your early Airfoil user.
Thanks man! I feel great too, didnt realize how much my body ached being 254 lbs.
Great video! I love my LR. Does the LX have a trigger adjustment like the original? My Garmin has issues getting triggered at indoor ranges byshooters one bay over
Yes it does have trigger level settings
Fantastic! I’ll prolly be selling my Garmin and preordering the LX.
Trigger level? I thought all these new chronograph use ‘Doppler Radar’ and not the sound for activation. Would you be able to go into a little detail about this feature. I did have a Garmin Xero C1 which I did return, since I shoot indoors I was getting a few shots from lanes next to me. Which mess’s up the session when you’re trying to record only your shooting session. If the LabRadar can cut down on those false shots it would be nice. Thanks for the comparison, very nicely done.
@@Majeskty There is a level adjustment, they call it trigger level, but Im unsure how the bullet actually triggers the radar. Now that being said, I have heard there is an attachment that will allow the LR to be weapon mounted and there is a feature in the unit to recoil activate the unit, this will eliminate the interference from other shooters. I havent tested this yet, but will once I get my unit in hand.
@@MajesktyLabradar has an option to connect an external trigger which makes sure it will only measure when you fire a shot
The Garmin can be strapped to rifle that's probably why they made it lite. Good video
There is a mount for the LR as well, I will be testing it soon!
@Klemheist So that during a match or shooting if you are moving around it's able to pick up speeds. Saw one being used the other day.
@@Klemheist there is a feature of being recoil activated, so if you are shooting near other people it wont attempt to pick up their shots, which the garmin is known to do.
@@Klemheist I know the garmin is all doppler, I was referring to the LR having a recoil trigger. And the garmin will register projectiles entering the cone from further than a meter. I will be doing a lot more testing on both units after I get done with all of my stuff related to shooting in france next month.
You void warranty if you mount the Garmin on the rifle. This straight from Garmin support.
did somebody check the recoil affect on this product- will it still work after many shots?
mean when you mount it directly on the gun?
Happy with my Garmin
Thought I wanted a Garmin, maybe not. I love my Labradar, never had any troubles others have complained of.
The main issue I had was when shooting near another shooter, my radar would be triggered by their shot, then it would fail to capture the shot and I would have to come off my rifle to reset it.
@@RyanCheneyELR I played with my settings and was able to minimize that. Thought about getting a trigger but I only had problems like twice out of 1000.
Which screen is easier to read in bright sun or Low light even? My eyes are getting old!
They’re both about the same, the LX digits are dark on a light background, the Garmin is light colored digits on a dark background.
Garmin got my money, the support from area 419 and gray ops and the ability to shoot the chrono mounted directly to the rifle is an awesome capability.
It makes it super easy to capture long strings of fire when practicing positional shooting. Having more data is always better.
Probably not something that’s gonna happen any time soon with the labradar.
There is a mount available for the LR, I will be testing it on my big guns soon.
I wish you'd had a Speeedtracker M4+ as well!
Great content man really enjoyed this stuff thanks!!!
Thanks for the support!
Awesome video. Has me itching to get behind a rifle again. 🤙🏼
Any time you wanna go man just holler
airfoil is great by the way and from KS as well just the eastern side. But picked up the Garmin and nice unit and great app. Sure you are spot on both are good, Garmin is plastic and lighter but functions really well and the app is great. So cannot really go wrong with either and nice to see these and other improvements in the tools we use.
Thanks for the support Mike! Glad you like the bag!
What size were the targets you were shooting?
The mile target i could barely see was 3'x3', the 2152 yd plate is 4'x4'
The Garmin has a 30min time-out.
"You can feel quality" Really? Come on Ryan, it's hard to conceal a conflict of interest when the Garmin is so much better than a brick.
The LX can be operated from the new LabRadar app and I can be on a spotting scope with a client on a rifle and see the speed of every shot on my phone in real time. I can arm and disarm, start a new series and coming soon I will have the ability to go back and add shots to old series. Imagine making series 1 your cold bore shot series. Garmin does none of this.
@@RyanCheneyELR Seeing shots on your phone instead of looking at the device - I don't think I can yawn loud enough. Being able to go back and add to earlier strings is however a good thing, I'll give you that. being able to download direct from the device a usable CSV file (instead of a FIT file) is also a good thing about Labradar. But the Garmin Shotview app is pretty quick after you 'finish' the string and it shows up on your phone, to then be able to email the converted FIT-to-CSV file. But I will never go back to Labradar, they took advantage of their monopoly for years, had a dismissive rep, and their one innovation, the phone app was/probably still is, a basket case. POlus these fake comments and replies in this string don;t help. Good luck with your commission.
@@RyanCheneyELR Or, you can turn your head from your spotting scope and look at the screen. Being able to do that from within Bluetooth on a phone is a gimmick. The one useful thing you've said in your objection handling is being able to go back to earlier strings and adding to them.
@@Klemheist-vf1hx back in the day with the original LabRadar sitting on a quad pod over the top of a rifle, yeah it’s simple to look up from the spotting scope and see the speed. With the new LX or the Garmin for that matter, it’s sitting out front of the rifle, on the ground, in front of the bipod, under the barrel, I’m behind the shooter the shooter is 6’ tall behind a 5’ long rifle. Now I’m nearly 10’ away from a device with a screen that’s 1.376” wide and 1.085” tall. The numbers are .217” tall and all 4 digits are .596” wide. The device is under the rifle, in front of the bipod, I have to do a lot more than look to the side to see the display. The app isn’t a gimmick.
@@RyanCheneyELR I guess you'd better stick to your product then. For the rest of us, looking at a Garmin from any angle is fine.
I think the difference in the speeds from the large unit to the smaller ones might be because the large unit is actually triggered by the concussion from the shot where the small units are actually being triggered by the first time they see the projectile which is going to be further away and therefore slower. Just a guess based on how they appear to work. The larger lab radar also has an option to be doppler triggered and it does result in slower speed reading in my experience.
Interesting, could be a good theory. Because the difference in speed was so consistent, you may be on to something.
@@RyanCheneyELR I think the fact that the small guys both have no issue picking up the subsonic .22 points to this idea as well. Old lab radar would need an external mic for that(or to be set on doppler trigger).
Good video. I would like to see a comparison like you was at a range and you was how ever far apart (8ft,10ft), and shoot at same target however far way, would you get a reading of only your shot. Just curious because I share the range with other shooters. If you have time to do that in the future, that would be awesome.
Yes that is one thing I will explore on part 2
Buy Garmin......and never look back.
😂 there will be plenty on the market soon. Just watch.
I'd like to know if Labradar will offer an upgrade program for us that have the original unit? If not, then I'll get whichever brand has the better Black Friday sale.
I dont believe they are offering any exchange programs at this time. I will pass along the idea though.
What's with shooting a LH gun right handed? Curious as I do the same.
In 2019 I was in a bad car accident that smashed up my right arm and left my right hand half numb. The wonderful people at Bartlein, Manners and Defiance all went in and built me a left handed rig so I could compete and now it’s become so ergonomic I won’t build a righty ever again.
Nice video, good info. Too many little whiners in the comments though. their mothers must be proud.
How does it work measuring pistol velocities?
Never had an issues with the pistols I tested. Never missed a shot
Oh man I thought lab was made in America i guess that’s better then Taiwan. Overall your sentiments exactly how I feel. I see comments in other videos bashing lab. And that’s because lab left everyone hanging with the updates on the lab #1. And you have them saying oh lab copied Garmin. And I’m like ummmm no lab has been doing this since 1996. If anything Garmin copied lab but released it in a smaller form. I’m definitely going with lab I like the metal construction and Canadians are definitely my next pick over American. Gotta say I really like my Auto trickler with Area 419 jewelry.
The headquarters is in Wichita Ks, the owner of LR runs the show out of Wichita, but they are made by Infinition out of the Montreal area.
Thanks Ryan
No problem at all!
The sight aperture is not product issue but a consumer issue.
I am a master of aiming the original LR, rarely did mine miss a shot. The main issue I had with my original is it would try to pick up someone else's shot and it would fail to register, then I would have to come off the rifle to reset it.
Good work !
Thank you!
well, thats why I prefer the SpeedTracker Mach4
Is this new labradar available for sale now?
It is supposed to be available in March, the preorder is happening now. www.buymylabradar.com
Cool. But will it pick up a BB gun?
From what I was told, yes.
My Garmin picks up Bob's and pellets.
@@neiljohnson8647 yeah. My first velocities I measured with my Garmin were a 5 gr BB. It was awesome
Very Good web article
thank you!
20 yards range?? I can get out 100 but ok not important to you got it
The unit will track the bullet for 20 yards and give you that downrange velocity. The old LE would go to about 75 yards, but as I said, that metric isn’t really necessary for anything in my opinion
Labradar fanboy. Labradar failed with the ease of use on their original device. Why do you want the heavier bulkier device. Are you planning on using it to hammer nails? If you attach the Garmin to your rifle (which you can do because it's light) the wind can't knock it over. I mount on a trigger stick tripod easily set it up almost anywhere and have no problems with wind.
I had a client out for training a couple weeks ago and the wind was pretty bad, but his garmin tipped over multiple times from the wind. The LX had no issues with balance. Both devices captured every shot and they were always within 5 fps of each other. Im unsure what all the Garmin can do via the app, but I had the LX out in front of my client as I was on the spotting scope, and I had full control of the LX and was watching shots in real time. I can start new series, arm, disarm, etc. That works seamlessly. Also Garmin has revealed they wont warranty any unit that has been attached to a rifle. I dont know how they would be able to tell if it were attached to a rifle or not, but thats just the word thats out from them. Have a good one.
The labradar looks like crap. You can barely see the numbers. Garmin is lighter and has better build quality. Aluminum construction means nothing if the internals are not built well, look at those cheap butttons on the lab radar. The Garmin is just plain better.
The video doesnt do either screen justice. You have to see them both in person.
I agree , love my Garmin don’t like the looks of lab radar
Don't have to watch ..
My new Garmin kills it .
Bow, rimfire, air rifle, subsonic, up to 4000fps,
It hasn't missed 1 shot..
NOT ONE
Thanks for the comment to feed the algo though!
Not useless for sub sonic
Worked fine for subs. The Glock was shooting right at the speed of sound and the 22 was around 800 fps
you lost me when you said Glock!
😂
lol heavy is bad, the Garmin is so light you can mount to a rifle
The LR has a rail attachment, I plan on testing it when my unit comes in
Eye protection Bro. Get sum.
Na, just another lens to distort your optic
comment for the algorythm
Thanks brother, hope all is well!