Harry Potter and the Catholic Faith - #1 - "Magic and Morality"

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  • @79bewareofpuppies97
    @79bewareofpuppies97 10 років тому +28

    As a Harry Potter fan and a Catholic, I want to thank you for your videos. :)

  • @KaiseRex42
    @KaiseRex42 10 років тому +4

    Wow! that has to be the most rational and faithful video to the Church I have seen on you tube !!! Excellent! I am more than impressed . wonderful to listen to intelligence and faith presented so well. I am a subscriber after that one!

  • @szymac90
    @szymac90 4 роки тому +4

    Very good video, I would say.
    When Hagrid says that Harry is a wizard and he's actually a good one, you may compare it as if someone would say to you: "You're child of God" in the meaning of being baptised.

  • @michaela6388
    @michaela6388 4 роки тому +2

    Wonderful video! I’m a fan of Harry Potter and a Catholic. Thank you!

  • @mikecrotteau1517
    @mikecrotteau1517 8 років тому +3

    I have recently been doing some on-the-side research on the topic of Harry Potter and Catholicism. This topic has been a common argument between myself and a few of my friends. I want to thank you for making this in depth series, and I plan to watch every episode over time.

  • @JoseSanchez-yw2ed
    @JoseSanchez-yw2ed 3 роки тому

    Wow. I came across this video and I must say it was a great listen. I am really blown away by the information given. Thank very much.

  • @Friarly
    @Friarly  11 років тому +11

    As I mentioned at the beginning of the video, the point of the series is simply to look at the HP world through the lens of faith. It is NOT to take the HP books as inspired by God and a sure guide in how we should. However, there is a lot of good stuff there.
    JRR Tolkien had a great essay on imagination, fairy stories, and faith. Just search for "Tolkien on Fairy Stories".

    • @hglundahl
      @hglundahl 6 років тому

      I indeed enjoyed it.
      But Tolkien's elves are really not considered human, they are not meant to mate with mortals. Beren and Luthien, Idril and Tuor, Aragorn and Arwen are all exceptions.
      Hence, you can say Galadriel had an inborn capacity to make a well reveal future past and elsewhere once it was still - because she really is not human in that sense.
      In the case of wizards and muggles, that are just two versions of human, wizards are (I think) mortal too, wizards and muggles mating is frowned upon but not unnatural or even totally (except by that convention) exceptional, hence, "inborn wizards" would imply, in real life, children born with some compact either with God (as with Samson) or with the devil (as I presume Hercules and Theseus).

    • @mdfaithfulcatholics7940
      @mdfaithfulcatholics7940 5 років тому

      I understand Playboy and Esquire actually have some decent commentaries, alongside the smut. Would that have justify anyone exposing themselves to temptations to mortal sins? Look at it another way. A healthy, delicious meal is set before you, but you know there is just the tiniest amount of arsenic inside that food. Would you take one bite of that healthy, delicious meal? Why flirt with that kind of danger. The "lot of good stuff" isn't worth it, especially when it can be found in truly wholesome works.

    • @nmonco
      @nmonco 4 роки тому +1

      @@mdfaithfulcatholics7940 The Bible would not pass muster under your standard. It includes numerous acts of murder, including explicit accounts of the murder of the Son of God, along with stories of incest-rape and gang-rape. It doesn't recommend those things but they are present. The question is what we will get out of reading such things, which is why a book that might be had for a 7 year old to read might be just fine for his father.
      And by "good stuff" in HP I mean they contain much of the Gospel itself. If it's there and hundreds of millions of people have read it then why not try and help them draw the right conclusions?

  • @davidflynn8347
    @davidflynn8347 5 років тому +8

    There is an inherent and glaring problem with this analysis. Kids warming up to people who are magical is the same as their reading about great mountain climbers or astronauts. Readers (kids) naturally desire to be like them. Lots of kids watching Star Trek say that is why they got into engineering and science. The fact that Harry's FANTASY world and natural magic doesn't change the fact that in reality, our kids attempting to be like Harry aren't born wizards. They must try the magic and spells we actually have in REALITY, which DO invoke demons. Missing this fundamental objection makes this whole video more of a justification than a prudent assessment of our children's reading list. For instance, I wouldn't let my kids read books on explosives you can make with ingredients at home...just because the kids in the story lived on a space station.

    • @invisiblebears
      @invisiblebears 4 роки тому +1

      Well, I'm sure I disagree with you about a lot but don't you just take a step back and understand that a mountain climber is real and a wizard is not and can never be.

  • @masterfeatherpen
    @masterfeatherpen 12 років тому +6

    "If Jesus showed up today, the Catholics would not welcome him."
    This is the silliest thing I have ever read-especially considering that they welcome Him every time they celebrate the Eucharist. Hierarchy is a natural and necessary part of the human world, so get over it. And when you choose to become a part of Holy Mother Church, you choose to accept that authority-the same act through which one concedes to the State, or to parents, or to a teacher.

  • @sushi_mermaid7116
    @sushi_mermaid7116 3 роки тому

    Wow! This video has given me a lot of peace on this topic

  • @FreelancerLA
    @FreelancerLA 12 років тому +3

    "Harry's world is not our world" And THERE is children's literature summed up in a nutshell. A story is a story, and having it take place in another world is no more heretical than playing pretend.

  • @LuvsDoctorWho
    @LuvsDoctorWho 11 років тому +2

    Not Catholic, just plain Christian, but I totally agree with this video.

  • @Friarly
    @Friarly  11 років тому +7

    Actually what you're saying sounds a lot like Manichaeism - the heresy that St. Augustine subscribed to before becoming Catholic. The basic idea was that everything that is spiritual is good while everything material is bad and the product of an evil God. But God looked on everything He made and saw that it was good. (Gen 1:31) Plus, angels don't have flesh but they rebelled. So the flesh itself isn't evil but sometimes our desires are not in line with reason.

  • @sstroh08
    @sstroh08 7 років тому +2

    Long story short-- Folks, it's just a fictional series of novels. It's just a very well written story. Like the star wars series of movies, Forrest Gump, Moby Dick, whatever forms of innocent entertainment you enjoy. It's not meant to be taken seriously. You can read Harry Potter in your free time for fun and then praise God right afterwards. Other than that God gave Rowling the talent to write such good books, the two aren't really related. There are some character building morality kind of things brought up in the book to. Being honorable and honest,working hard, etc etc. At the end of the series, Harry even does a very Christ-like thing. He tries to freely sacrifice himself in an attempt to rid his world of a great evil. Now I'm not trying to make a comparison of Harry and what Jesus did for us, but the first time I read it I was heavily reminded of John 15:13. Again, the "magic in these books and demonic magic mentioned in the Bible are two very different things. On top of that the books aren't real. Just entertainment. Enjoy them.

    • @nmonco
      @nmonco 6 років тому

      So is a little fictional racism okay because it takes place in a fictional world? Is it acceptable to give that to kids?

    • @ABB14-11
      @ABB14-11 3 роки тому

      Hallelujah!

  • @vSwampFox
    @vSwampFox 5 років тому +1

    What about Fr. Ripperger’s condemnation of Harry Potter?

    • @agentjs09
      @agentjs09 5 років тому +1

      He makes a lot of bizarre and unsubstantiated remarks. If you look into any of the claims he makes you can find that they are not true. If you look at the Trent Horn podcast, Trent does an episode on Fr. Ripperger's analysis of Harry Potter and breaks it down.

  • @octopusmunchkin
    @octopusmunchkin 11 років тому +4

    These videos are really great...I am not religious in any way but it's great to have a member of the Catholic church put forward such an open-minded and well reasoned argument. The church is given such a bad name by the likes of that ridiculous lady at the beginning.

    • @williampotter1004
      @williampotter1004 4 роки тому +1

      The Lady at the beginning was an evangelical, filmed in the documentary "Jesus Camp", not a catholic.

  • @AmberintheBack
    @AmberintheBack 12 років тому +3

    LOVE IT! I am a Catholic Convert and a fan of Harry Potter! Thank you for this.

  • @77crystalclear
    @77crystalclear 5 років тому +2

    I think God forbids us to dwell on subjects like magic, which is basically the constnat theme in Happy Potter's stories, rather to dwell on things of the Kingdom of God.

  • @Will-ip8og
    @Will-ip8og Рік тому

    Fr. Nick is the GOAT

  • @kimberHD45
    @kimberHD45 4 роки тому +2

    Blind shepherd you totally missed the point

  • @Marco85111
    @Marco85111 6 років тому +2

    Well a lot of what the saints did would be considered "magic" on the outside when in reality it was God just working through them
    I think we gotta define what magic even is before we condemn it

  • @lewa6184
    @lewa6184 6 років тому +5

    hes a fictional character... hes not a real person. just an fyi

  • @lorenzoc.b.9809
    @lorenzoc.b.9809 5 років тому

    The funny thing is that all the magical world in HP should be Catholic: persecution of witches was specially hard in protestant countries, and according to Rowling the worst time were the 15-16th centuries, the same of the persecution of Catholics in UK. The Catholic rationalism would help wizards to understand the nature of their power, while hiding both their faith and magic.

  • @mikeolaughlin4142
    @mikeolaughlin4142 8 років тому

    I am extremely impressed with your bravery.

  • @lauradahlus
    @lauradahlus 11 років тому +1

    Excellent video... Sounds like you did a LOT of research.. :)

  • @jmjopn468
    @jmjopn468 5 років тому +1

    Harry Potter was a gifted child who was destined to fight the evil Voldemort. From my point of view, this a a battle between good and evil. The author only used the world of magic, which is unnatural for a normal human being. This is a fictional novel/ movie. And we should guide our children to not to rely on magic for it’s a devil’s deception. God alone is Almighty and powerful and we ought to put all our trust and faith in Him.

  • @masterfeatherpen
    @masterfeatherpen 12 років тому +2

    But...she wasn't Catholic. That was sort of making fun of the silliness of that critique.
    Stephen Fry is a brilliant comic and writer. But as a cultural critic, I have found that he is grossly lacking in subtlety. That does not make him less funny or intelligent... but it does make him less correct.
    Please read the badcatholic blog at Patheos. I think you'd find that your points addressing "their wealth," etc. are soundly overturned. An example: the Church is the world's largest charity.

  • @Alleyup1994CSA
    @Alleyup1994CSA 9 років тому +2

    Well if you don't praise harry potter books as your religion then yeah even if your a catholic then it's pretty much ok if you watch it.

  • @tmmmedia731
    @tmmmedia731 3 роки тому

    Occult means “that which is hidden”
    Apocalypse means “revealing of truth”
    The time is now the truth is being revealed. Magic science God spirit is all connected. And we are all connected “the kingdom
    Of god is within you” “be still
    And know that I AM God”

  • @daveparrott9530
    @daveparrott9530 6 років тому +1

    Wow! This young fellow is good

  • @SuperGreatSphinx
    @SuperGreatSphinx 5 років тому +1

    Magic is a category in Western culture into which have been placed various beliefs and practices considered separate from both religion and science. Historically, the term often had pejorative connotations, with things labelled magical perceived as being primitive, foreign, and Other. The concept has been adopted by scholars in the study of religion and the social sciences, who have proposed various different-and often mutually exclusive-definitions of the term; much contemporary scholarship regards the concept to be so problematic that it is better to reject it altogether as a useful analytic construct.
    The term magic derives from the Old Persian magu, a word that applied to a form of religious functionary about which little is known. During the late sixth and early fifth centuries BCE, this term was adopted into Ancient Greek, where it was used with negative connotations, to apply to religious rites that were regarded as fraudulent, unconventional, and dangerous. This meaning of the term was then adopted by Latin in the first century BCE. Via Latin, the concept was incorporated into Christian theology during the first century CE, where magic was associated with demons and thus defined against (Christian) religion. This concept was pervasive throughout the Middle Ages, when Christian authors categorised a diverse range of practices-such as enchantment, witchcraft, incantations, divination, necromancy, and astrology-under the label magic. In early modern Europe, Italian humanists reinterpreted the term in a positive sense to create the idea of natural magic. Both negative and positive understandings of the term were retained in Western culture over the following centuries, with the former largely influencing early academic usages of the word.
    Since the nineteenth century, academics in various disciplines have employed the term magic but have defined it in different ways and used it in reference to different things. One approach, associated with the anthropologists Edward Tylor and James G. Frazer, uses the term to describe beliefs in hidden sympathies between objects that allow one to influence the other. Defined in this way, magic is portrayed as the opposite to science. An alternative approach, associated with the sociologists Marcel Mauss and Émile Durkheim, employs the term to describe private rites and ceremonies and contrasts it with religion, which it defines as a communal and organised activity. Many scholars of religion have rejected the utility of the term magic, arguing that it is arbitrary and ethnocentric; it has become increasingly unpopular within scholarship since the 1990s.
    Throughout Western history, there have been examples of individuals who engaged in practices that their societies called magic and who sometimes referred to themselves as magicians. Within modern occultism, there are many self-described magicians and people who practice ritual activities that they term magic. In this environment, the concept of magic has again changed, usually being defined as a technique for bringing about changes in the physical world through the force of one's will. This definition was pioneered largely by the influential British occultist Aleister Crowley.

  • @5355vbxjbj76rvn
    @5355vbxjbj76rvn 11 років тому

    The answer to that, is to ask whether that POV can account for the presence of "intelligent, sensitive, [&] creative people" in other Churches and religions. It may be that the CC includes intelligent & virtuous people - but that is true of other Churches and religions. The argument shows only that one can be Catholic w/o being a knave or a fool.
    The intelligent & wise can be blind to God's purposes, which can be seen only if revealed by God. 1 Corinthians 1.18-25 seems appropriate here.

  • @MafiosiPepperoni
    @MafiosiPepperoni 4 роки тому

    Could you eventually add english subtitles? Thank you for your Work I'm sorry I don't want to be rude with that question it's just that some people have problems to understand everything because they are no mother speaker.
    Sorry for my bad english!
    Many greetings from Europe! :)

  • @FranciscoRodriguez-ue2by
    @FranciscoRodriguez-ue2by 11 років тому +1

    You know, I couldn't tell at first whether the person speaking at the beginning was a man or woman

  • @WarlockGhorst
    @WarlockGhorst 11 років тому

    Why do you think there are no angels in the HP universe?

  • @hglundahl
    @hglundahl 6 років тому

    A somewhat other matter.
    People like AronRa are always prepared to compare miracles in the Bible or presumed in metaphysics to Harry Potter.

  • @lauradahlus
    @lauradahlus 11 років тому +3

    You should watch Harry Potter Number 3 film.. It is VERY spiritual! I think it's more spiritual than Lord of the rings. For obvious reasons they both have "magic".. But is this magic? Or faith?
    Also, when I was a child I read 'A wrinkle in time', 'The Lion, Witch and wardrobe' and Birth of the firebringer.. I LOVED THESE BOOKS! They ALL implemented "Magic" but I knew it was for pretend.
    What about telling children about the "easter bunny" or "Santa?" Santa was really a Bishop...

  • @UltimaSeven
    @UltimaSeven 9 років тому +2

    So pretty much its okay to read it just don't try to do what they do and lust for magic because its wrong in this world, but not in their world which is fake. so tell your kids before they read so they don't want to become like harry.

  • @comali2212
    @comali2212 11 років тому

    We all have the spiritual being that always long to it's source which is God, but we all also have the flesh that keep the spirit imprisonned in it's mortal senses. It's a constant relentless battle.

  • @bobbypooped
    @bobbypooped 5 років тому +1

    u need a new mic bruh

  • @endermwatts
    @endermwatts 11 років тому

    Brother Nick is dressed as such because he is a priest/monk in that he is a professed member of the Dominican Order of Preachers and like other religious orders that is the clothing of the Dominicans.

  • @TheKevin9000
    @TheKevin9000 10 років тому +7

    In an interview with the author of a book called "Harry Potter- good or evil?," Cardinal Ratzinger had the following to say:
    "It is good that you shed light and inform us on the Harry Potter matter, for these are subtle seductions that are barely noticeable and precisely because of that deeply affect (children) and corrupt the Christian faith in souls even before it (the Faith) could properly grow and mature."
    Imagine if you had used this quote at the begging instead of whatever protestant you choose.
    Further, citing the catechism is great, but it would be legalistic to only rely on it without considering the tradition and the teachings of the saints. And I know there are many saints that would have some pretty damning things to say about books like harry potter.

    • @GruntLogic
      @GruntLogic 10 років тому +8

      Your quotation is taken out of context. A writer had sent a letter to Cardinal Ratzinger about someone in the Vatican making a comment along the lines of it being okay for children to read Harry Potter. His Eminence thanked her for writing on the important subject of moral implications of fiction and advised her to write the man who made the comment.
      It was not an interview, it was not a public condemnation, and there was nothing in the letter to suggest he had read the books himself. His comments shouldn't be taken as anything more than a polite reply to an author who sent him her book.

    • @Friarly
      @Friarly  10 років тому

      kmo_9000 you bring up an important quote. The complete reply can be found in the very next video in this series: Harry Potter and the Catholic Faith -- Video 2 - "Pride and Prejudice"

    • @nmonco
      @nmonco 6 років тому

      Maybe you should watch the second video.

  • @AndreaCanton
    @AndreaCanton 11 років тому

    great video

  • @davidhenry352
    @davidhenry352 7 років тому +2

    Only idiots would think Harry Potter is as real as God...

    • @iainrae6159
      @iainrae6159 5 років тому

      Both are fictional characters.
      JK Rowling does not pretend Harry is real unlike the Godworshippers claims that a supernatural God exists.

  • @lauradahlus
    @lauradahlus 11 років тому

    Some people call prayer magic... Just say'n...

  • @lauradahlus
    @lauradahlus 11 років тому

    But I agree with this video that God ultimately gives "good power" and we can "will" things if God allows.. (or if you follow the demons-then them)

  • @fabioparra2711
    @fabioparra2711 5 років тому

    Jajajaja “been put to death” omg this woman it’s a classic

  • @Walshy16
    @Walshy16 10 років тому

    Does anybody know this priest's name and if he was excommunicated?
    I agree with his video's but I just want to make sure that he is the real deal?

    • @blablabubles
      @blablabubles 10 років тому +3

      why would he be excommunicated?

    • @Friarly
      @Friarly  10 років тому +4

      His name is Fr. Nicholas Monco and he is definitely not excommunicated. He is a priest in good standing.

    • @michaelevans3730
      @michaelevans3730 8 років тому +2

      Real deal? Regardless of whether or not he's a priest (no doubt he is), his philosophy and logic alone should get the message across quite clearly. Are you a sensible Catholic? Why on earth would he possibly be excommunicated??

    • @jordanlewandowskii
      @jordanlewandowskii 7 років тому +2

      The video does have an imprimatur, so....

    • @veronicafisher442
      @veronicafisher442 6 років тому +1

      His name is Father Nick. He used to be a priest at my church, and was well loved and well spoken priest.

  • @Anthony_in_Bloomington_Indiana
    @Anthony_in_Bloomington_Indiana 12 років тому +1

    I admire the intelligent way you phrased your idea, but I don't agree that Harry Potter has anything to do with religion. It's just the religious extremists who insist on painting their religion over a book of fiction that has nothing to do with religion.
    There is magic in the Harry Potter books. That has nothing to do with religion.

    • @nmonco
      @nmonco 6 років тому +1

      HP has nothing to do with religion? The hero willingly accepts death at the hands of a grossly evil, power hungry monster and then rises from the dead and then his death protects all his friends from death. Um, dude, this story has already been - it's called the Gospel. I ain't imposing nothin'

  • @dearfutureme2929
    @dearfutureme2929 6 років тому +1

    This is meant to be comedic; right??

  • @619sophia
    @619sophia 4 роки тому

    Now, imagine you are a father would you want your 9 year old daughter to be exposed to this? No is the answer of course. However, it was a very nice and academic presentation.

  • @BigGamingBossMan
    @BigGamingBossMan 12 років тому +2

    Even God would be telling them to chill

  • @Plinko99
    @Plinko99 8 років тому +2

    This is in error because he asks n seeks to answer the wrong question by applying what the catechism of the Catholic church(which is a summery for general reference and in no way sufficient for dealing with specific instances. For such situations one should consult the source materials in their entirety which are cited in the catechism. The appropriate question to ask is "should it be read?" The answer most exorcism priests will give is "never, under any circumstances instead read the lives of the saints, the bible, and G.K. Chesterton novels." If you disagree go to your diocesan web page, go to "contact", find your local exorcists email, and ask him. Or check out SenTrad.org this site belongs to a calm, no nonsense exorcist. This presentation was not befitting a man seeking to follow in the footsteps of the great St. Dominick.

    • @monkey6207
      @monkey6207 6 років тому

      The lives of the saints and GK Chesterton are different genres and completely irrelevant. Also, I'm not going to ask someone who's job it is to look for demons. The technical aspect of the way Harry Potter is written blows away every other fantasy series and it's a crime to throw that in the trash. Of course, you are old and going to say Lord of the Rings is better, but I'd suggest reading something else to expand your horizons; I've read both and they are incomparable. The storytelling in HP is phenomenal and should be learned from.

    • @nmonco
      @nmonco 6 років тому

      And the billion people who've already read the books and watched the movies are supposed to do what now? Should we just leave them without any way to properly understand these questions? Also, you didn't watch the second video, did you?

    • @monkey6207
      @monkey6207 6 років тому

      Did you meant to reply to me...?
      I don't understand how this response is related at all.

  • @oliviamyers9126
    @oliviamyers9126 5 років тому +1

    Main problem: the houses are literally names of major demons.

    • @nmonco
      @nmonco 5 років тому +1

      Um, Gryffindor is a reference to the animal mascot of the house: a griffin. Historically, griffins were used to illustrate the dual nature of Christ in one person. Watch video 5 and 6 in this series for more of an explanation: ua-cam.com/video/Bms5bPdc5JI/v-deo.html

    • @michaelflores9220
      @michaelflores9220 3 роки тому

      "Hufflepuff!" What a demonic sounding name! Hahahahahahahahah

  • @lilithmorgaine8608
    @lilithmorgaine8608 3 роки тому

    Jesus was the greatest magician.

  • @maryandersen4020
    @maryandersen4020 Рік тому

    Fails to account for anti-Christian messages subtly used in the Potter stories and the universal condemnation of use of the occult by the Church. He mentions it and blithely ignores it. And what are the results? People drawn into the occult. Very poor commentary.

  • @iainrae6159
    @iainrae6159 5 років тому

    Some of the Godsquad are not only evil but crazy. The priests fables are myth and they have cheek to claim they are the 'truth'.
    Hilarious.

  • @marcrj9938
    @marcrj9938 7 років тому

    Harry Potter put to death lol, what the heck

  • @triggerwarningtruthjustfor5433
    @triggerwarningtruthjustfor5433 7 років тому

    More subtle and covert capitulation to the Secular world so as to keep those happy in the 'flock' that want their cake and to eat it, that is, remain calling themselves 'Catholic' whilst enjoying all the 'delights' of the secular world......a pathetic rationalisation as a justification! We all know the connotations that this series teaches to children, we all know the very thin line here, and we all know the next step and its direction.

    • @nmonco
      @nmonco 6 років тому

      How does paranoia bring people to Jesus? And this series is arguably a lot more Christian than Lord of the Rings. Is that on the banned list too?

  • @angelafarias5988
    @angelafarias5988 11 років тому

    I would take your video seriously if you weren't dressed as a priest/monk. I don't like the background because it lessens the quality if your presentation. Though I agree with you on this matter, the video overall is really bad.