@@Frostbitten. Thank you!😁🎻🎶🎵 The violin is the first instrument I learned to play. I tried the guitar at 16, since people talked about it being a easy instrument to play, but I only learned a few chords and realized it was not my thing. Felt it was too difficult. When I started the violin on the other hand, I got so inspired and motivated to practice almost everyday😁🎻🎶🎵 Though, people did tell me I was too old, but that made me even more motivated to prove them wrong. I have tried to play the guitar after learning the violin, and its still not for me XP
My husband and I are 70 and 69 respectively and newly retired. We decided to keep our minds active we are going to learn to play new instruments. He the cello and me the violin. I just finished my 3rd lesson. We hope to make beautiful music together in the coming years. I loved this video. Thanks for the encouragement that you can always learn to play.
That’s an awesome idea. My dad did that. Except he had a background in erhu (a string instrument) from his teens. So in his retirement years, he moved onto yangqin, and then flute. He got so good at it the past 10 years, he even performed for 6 years straight. He’s over 70 now.
@@kinarast yeah it’s normal but it’s so relatable how you don’t find that out until you do it😂 like all adult beginners k Think they’re prodigies after a year and then sadly have a plateau in improvement😭
I'm a self taught pianist and the thing I've noticed is that self taught players tend to learn by playing pieces they like which often means you're "running before you can walk". On the one hand it's good because you're learning through exploration and don't get bored playing really basic pieces, but on the other hand you might not pick up the fundamentals of the instrument and the theory, and can develop bad habits.
This is exactly how I'm feeling. Its been a month since getting a keyboard trying to learn all the songs I like, but I feel like I'm shooting myself in the foot by not going to a teacher If I want to learn properly
What I like to do for hobbies like this is to learn and grind the fundamentals 50% of the time, and spend the other 50% just goofing off and doing what I like, and remembering why I started learning the skill in the first place.
Exactly that. Cause I’ll learn a very hard piece any day. And memorize it and not really know much of anything else. I first learned cello and learned about half of cello suite No 1 within a few months
I didn't see a guitar irl until I was 15 and the first thing I played was the intro to Fast Car by Tracy Chapman and Scar Tissue by RHCP because they were my favourite songs
bummer. I thought Helena was the gal in TwoSet's video. I was sad when I found Helena has zero videos. I still wonder who the gal is. That was amazing progress! I wish I could do that! :-p
"Adults learn faster, but they hit a plateau really quickly"-So true. I think for many adults it's a self-imposed plateau. They pick up violin quicker than children because they know what the violin should sound like. But then they get frustrated and hit a plateau because they know what the violin should sound like! Half the battle is in your mind!
I've always been like that. I'm really good right out of the gate and with a little practice, even in a week people think I've been doing it for over a year or two. Then I hit a plateau and decide if I want to put in more effort or not. By that time, I usually find that it's not for me or achieved what I set out to do. By comparison of the video, I was already doing vibrato and writing my own songs in just a month what takes beginners a year, but after that, I got stuck and decided it wasn't for me anymore.
why are pianos so expensive to tune? is it possible to just use the ‘wrench’ yourself and have a digital tuner there? it doesn’t seem like it should be too expensive, but then again a lot of things are like that
@@wetsocks8378 really it's the physical risk involved. Stringed instruments are often dangerous to tighten, even in things like violins and guitars. If the string snaps and you're in the way, it can cause some damage and draw blood, especially if it hits your face. Now, imagine those strings, but longer, thicker, and with much more tension. It's like a loaded spring in a garage door, or a grandfather clock. If it releases at just the wrong time, and at the wrong angle, it could very well take an eye out, or worse. Really, it's just safer to leave it up to someone who has the proper training to tune your piano, just like you'd call a repair man for your garage door motor.
@@wetsocks8378 There's also a lot of work involved: not all pianos have the same type of action, and if you look there aren't only 88 strings, there are more like ~200 iirc in most modern pianos, and changing the tension on one can change the tensions on the neighboring so it's fairly labor intensive and can take a couple of hours to do for experienced technicians. it's worse if the piano hasn't been tuned in a long time since the strings often need to settle over a period of a couple of months after the tuning and may need to be fine tuned again after.
psa: it is never too late to start an instrument! I started playing viola when I was 13, which seems early in comparison to the adults in the video, but still meant that I was around 5 years behind my peers. My parents discouraged it because they thought it would be too much to catch up to. However, I think this actually helped me in the long run, because I was more passionate, and so didn't become apathetic or quit like a lot of other kids. I'm proud to say, after two years, I'm now at relatively the same level as the kids my age who have been playing 7+ years. I'm even doing my first concerto competition this year! In conclusion, music is an amazing hobby that should have no age or experience limit to start
we literally have the same story, I started viola around 2 years ago as well when I was also 13 and now I play extremely well for how long I've been playing and I'm even above some who started wayy before me
I'm built that way also... Tbh I learned guitar over 3 months and I got to an intermediate level but I keep myself stuck there because I don't learn anything new I'm afraid I won't be any better than what I am already... Fear is the biggest obstacle of life... As soon as you learn to break it you'll be the best of you!
@@yanlim18 nah. having someone telling you what to do the whole time is boooooring. I think it's better to learn by yourself because you can learn a lot faster without someone telling you what to do everyday
@@somethingjustgonewrongyeah9079 Yeah I get that, I’m about to start playing the 61-keyboard I’ve had for a year and I can’t wait to get to the harder stuff once I study the basics for a few weeks. In all my old music classes, I was taught that the best way to learn is through learning and playing a song. Never have I been taught the basics of how to hold an instrument and read sheet music for longer than one lesson and the rest is already like 10 sheet of song for a performance in a few months. I learned best that way and I find it better if there are certain songs you want to play specifically because after a while of doing that, you memorise where each note is on the instrument. A teacher doesn’t do much but instruct you and you can easily look at UA-cam videos for help. Within a year I learned violin and flute flawlessly with not much help from teachers and all just self-taught. Learning a piece of music is the best way to train your brain compared to mindlessly repeating notes. It helps but it’s better to do it via song so you memorise a lot more within a short amount of time, at least it was for me. Isn’t he end, it depends on how your brain is wired and what works best for you.
When I started with guitar, I started with ukulele. But my ukulele broke and the luthier took months to fix it (and also sent it back to me with an unsatisfactory fix twice). So the guitar shop that was helping was so embarrassed that the luthier he vouched for bungled it so bad, he sold be a "sample" Tanglewood which was identical to their top of the line model but without electronics for insanely cheap. Still one of the nicest guitars I have ever played. Almost Taylor level. So I learned Romanza. And then I got another deal on a guitar, this time a cheap one, which I customized with a hand rubbed finish, old bone nut and saddle and nice strings. All solid mahogany, with small visual defect on the back. For a hundred bucks usd. I then started learning the Koyunbaba suite. Took me a while, and it was quite a journey, but damn, did I learn a lot through that. The trick is, when you can pick your own damn music, you're much more motivated to actually practice. I started with cello when I was a kid and every piece was horrible to play. Oh well. Then I got older and started with The Swan instead and moved over to Thais Meditation. Fuck that Yamaha method bullshit. Play with passion. Learn with passion.
I wonder if some adult beginners progress faster without a teacher but with videos because they don't know what is considered difficult and just learn what interests them. This could lead to gaps that need to be filled in later but may be more natural (at least for some people).
@UrBoyJuan i’m complete agree, my first piece was fur elise and i legitimately played the full piece in about 5 months from complete begginer. it wasn’t perfect but looking back at videos it was definitely an average performance. I didn’t care about learning techniques or what was too difficult but just did whatever i felt like. This is why im kinda against formal standardized teaching because it underestimates what we can grasp when we’re completely new. I’m a jazz pianist now, and i can’t imagine where i’d be if i had started playing very cookie cutter pieces with the usual beginner practices.
one of the world class piano players learned what is considered by many the hardest piece in a week. Her response was that "no one told her it was hard". Of course some aspects of learning a hard piece are factual but there is definitely an edge to psyching yourself out on hard pieces I think. Even a piece above someones level is still learnable, just more practice overall.
i think people who are willing to put in the effort to teach themselves violin for more than a week are dedicated enough to learn faster than a lot of people who are forced into it.
@UrBoyJuan and your more implied to learn a song that you can throughly enjoy which will help you to keep trying and not give up compared to leaning a bunch of easy and slowly harder stuff over the years
Eleven years ago (age 50) started playing Tenor Sax. Three years ago started playing the French Horn. With no prior music at all. As an adult it's a passion thing. "I want to do this". So I make time for it. Oh, I am now a member of a local community band. Loving it! Love your channel TwoSetViolin!
I feel like she progressed faster than they expected because she's an adult, so her coordination is better. As someone who started playing at 6 years old, I was also surprised when some of my friends picked up the violin later than me, and advanced much quicker. Though, people who start young definitely get an enormous head start with learning an instrument, your initial progress can often be quicker if your an adult. Also, i don't know the person in the video, but it is possible that she has learned another instrument before the violin. That is an enormous factor in how quickly you can progress. I experienced the same thing when I started learning guitar after 12 years of violin.
As an adult beginner i have my doubts as there's a ton of stuff you just need to experiment with a ton. I get a lot of bouncy bow for no apparent reason for example no matter what I try with weight, speed, stiffer or looser hand etc it's not something you read in a book as an adult and aha, so i know it now... violin seems to have a ton of such things in fact it feels like things you can learn in theory is the smaller part and where you need practice and routine is the bigger part.
I just started learning a little over a month ago at 35 years old because of this channel. I already play bass guitar (sacriligeous) and piano.... so far I’m progressing quite well but intonation with this instrument is giving me a bit of a hard time.
Here's the thing: You want to learn violin at a young age, but you can't be learning it at an old age (15+). When you start at a super young age it's also very very hard, because you're not as smart. So if you start at maybe like 7-10 that's good.
i started the violin after 9 years of playing piano and i am literally doing vibrato, string crossings, canon in d and spicatto after 2 months of studying
As a kid you practice because your parents want you to, or you're interested but don't see it as something that's hugely important. If you stick with it as an adult, you do it because you want to. You're doing it for you.
I have to agree, I got to the point as a teenager, that the piano no longer held my interest, it became a chore rather than fun. I have forgotten almost everything that I learned back then.
I'm turning 15 in a few months and I haven't mastered ANY musical instrument therefore I feel old and wish that my parents enrolled me to some lessons during my younger days but now I'm trying to teach myself guitar (lmao we're middle class and can't afford expensive ones) then this just gave me hope...maybe if I earn money someday I'd play the violin too.
This. This is the motivation aspect that plays into why so many people think people are prodigies or just have a certain aptitude for something it's because they like it. Or they have a drive and passion to do it if you try to force someone to do something they don't want to do you're not going to see good results. Not in the sense that they may not be able to play well, sometimes you get people who are an exceptionally good player and then you'll get students to barely put the effort in because they don't care about it because they're being forced but if you have the sense that are exceptionally good that's still don't care about it they just give up because they don't want to do it
@@hugnboba same but I am 17. Both of my bestfriends can play instruments whenever they talk about music , deep inside I feel untalented and sad. I know it's not their fault but I can't help but feel like that..😢😢
@@CoastGraffiti Prodigy is often used, but not limited to kids pal. Its someone of or with very great ability of something. It´s usually refered to children who grow up with immense talent, but is very much not limited too. But feel free google it mate and actually look up a dictonary
Grand G never said it was limited to kids. A prodigy is someone who is naturally or unusually good at something. You can’t practice to be a prodigy, you are usually born as one. Edit: to clarify, you don’t have to be born as a prodigy, you can become one later in life, but you can’t practice to be a prodigy like this person is saying.
@@CoastGraffiti No shit sherlock, thats what my whole comment is about, aka we arent all born with talent, practice makes you talented, you can still be a prodigy. Did you honestly watch the video mate? These people seem pretty naturally talented to me hence why their progress is so quick.
I’m constantly blown away by how respectful and encouraging TwoSet are. Like yes, they will be the first to roast celebrities and TV show clips, but if someone’s showing a genuine interest -they are so welcoming. I’ve never learned an instrument and it’s comforting to know that even as an adult, it’s not embarrassing to start now.
well those TV shows never respected classical music in the first place, so it is understandable that Twoset did not respect those shows. It is a different matter with people genuinely learning and working hard, and of course, practice.
we classical music folks are usually not snobby people :) we simply love music and appreciate anyone who shows genuine interest in it! Go ahead and start an instrument!
I am 53yrs old and literally just started. I sound awful, my dog howls, runs and goes out the backyard and does not come in until I stop but, is okay. I am getting better though, today my dog only howled for 5 minutes out of the 30 mins I practiced. Big improvement. Is never too late to learn something you are passionate about.
So I turned 40 in November, and bought my first violin a week ago. I don't expect progress like this, but 23+ years of guitar playing has hammered home the importance of practice. Here we go! 🎻
@@therudimentroom I've been practicing religiously, have gotten a better violin, and am currently working on a few pieces including "Test Flight" from How to Train Your Dragon, the theme from Last of the Mohicans, and Spring from Vivaldi's Four Seasons. Thanks for asking! 😊
@@rainyee-pc5lf I feel so seen! 😊 Scales. Always scales! I play with my tuner app running to make sure my pitch is good, am meticulous about my bowing, and am making great progress. Brett and Eddie are right. Ling Ling Wannabes are the best people. Thanks for asking!
Okay no jokes. This episodes means a LOT to me. it was INDEED really hard, especially for adult beginner players. I was one of them, and now are currently grinding my skills and did some practices almost everyday. sometimes, deep inside there are lots of self-struggles and debates like "Is it worth it to practice this hard at this age? will I be able to do it?" and finally doubting yourself, thinking "Is it worth it? is it too late?" That kind of doubts, and worries sometimes creep inside your heart. Thank you for bringing this videos up, this boosts means a lot to me, I do hope this will motivates others who learned to play an instrument in their adulthood. you are not alone, lets practice more, there is hope :)
it almost brings me to tears seeing the progress and pride that accompanies it. these students are finding a new way to articulate their emotions and the joy on their faces is so clear. absolutely inspiring!
Ngl, I've already dressed up in my best suit to play my first full 'song' on cello at home, lmao. Somethin' about playing a string instrument makes you feel more confident and sexy, haha.
I’m a self-taught piano player, been playing for half a year and personally, it’s great to get into harder pieces, but I always just practice easier ones (maybe some chords or scales once in a blue moon) Great compromise
Dudes - I had a student in 1997 - she was beautiful, 19, super smart - studying maths and actuarial science. She came for her first cello lesson. I taught her how to hold the bow - she mastered it in 5 minutes. I thought - wtf? I showed her first position on the left hand - first finger was not good enough - so we did C Maj scale. She played it well - both hands together. We were now maybe 30 minutes into a done hour lesson. Not kidding. So I took out some simple beginner pieces - showed her which places on the stave coincided with which note on the cello. She understood immediately and we sightread through a couple of pieces together. Lesson 2 - cycle of fifths and relative minor scales and how ALL the positions on the fingerboard worked. By lesson four she was playing the Vivaldi cello sonatas - all of them!!! Nice tone, good intonation. Just a genius. Then she was offered a job comparing a new TV show in Hong Kong. She actually tried to get them to fly me out once a month for a lesson. They didn’t agree, but she was a genius.
How should I compare this with Piano? Imagine the person finding the middle C for the first day, them going for Fur Elise about 6 months later, Bach Invento 4 after 1 year (with clear distinction on melody and harmony, as well as finding and expressing the subject with the correct dynamics and articulation), then suddenly he is playing Chopin Nocturne Op 9 No 2 after 1 year and 10 months and after 2 years he is playing the Schubert Impromptu Op 49 No 2. Then in year 3 he is going for the Chopin Ballades. It's mind blowing. (and puts me to shame haha) Edit: OMG Ling Ling bless my soul I have never gotten so many likes. Speaking of the "Chopin is easier than Bach", yes, to an extent. Chopin's pieces are more like, hard in technique. But its "hidden features" are easy to spot, sometimes even noted by the composer himself. Hidden melody? Melody on LH? These are easy. For Mozart and Bach though, most are technically easy. But if you only play all the notes like some Chinese drama (roasttttttt), it sounds......Bland. Bach has a ton of hidden stuff. The subject can be placed in LH, inverted, happen at two places at once, even in reverse! There are very few dynamics so you have to adjust the correct one yourself. Articulation is a big issue too. Staccato on all quavers and legato on all semiquavers, when to use non-legato? What about counterparts? Where are they? How should you express them? All these are about the technically easy ones only. Try the partita 5 prelude by Bach. It's a fun piece but technically challenging while having tons of hidden stuff within. This piece was my section A of my grade 8 ABRSM and I am proud to say that I got a full score on it.
LOLLL That's LEGIT what I did. Started piano at 14. That was pretty much my progress then. Stopped progressing at 17 due to a bunch of life stresses. By the time I stopped I only just learnt the first hard run passage in Ballade No 1.
I started piano with 16 being able to play "Alle meine Entchen" a German children's song that is basically a C-scale, now, one and a half years later I'm learning La Campanella by Liszt (obviously not completely, I'm currently at the third page of like 13). I guess you really cannot compare children's learning speed to the speed of adults/adolescents.
Thank you for encouraging adults to learn how to play an instrument. Your humble respect has to mean a lot to these learners. These videos show it can be done and that practice is the key!
I mean, not trying to flex but, I did vibrato in 2 weeks tho. For me, intonation is harder to nail rather than vibrato. But yeah, I got experiences coz I'm a guitarist
@@ILikeBirds well my percussion teacher always said "slow makes fast and fast makes slow," If you really learn the basics slowly you can get them in to your muscle memory, you can become an outstanding musician through deep and meaningful practice but mostly it depends on the person and how much good practice they put into it.
Ugh, don't listen to them! I started at 34 or something. I got myself a teacher and I'm on suzuki book 6 right now (suzuki - just one of a few teaching/learning methods and progresses from books 1 through 10) which basically means that adult learning is not too late if I'm now working on intermediate level material. You should at least give it a try to see if you like it, and forget about the haters and just do you. Seriously, might be one of the best decisions ever 😀
As an adult beginner you have a major advantage over children: you CHOSE the instrument and made the DECISION to learn it. So you put in the effort. With kids it’s usually their parents that choose and they have no motivation longer than 5 lessons.
And you also PAY for the instrument xD so you have hopefully really thought of learning it so you don't waste your money on something you just have standing in a corner
With adult beginners, there's also the fact that if they're choosing to start later in life, they're likely to be more committed to the decision they've made
Twosetviolin: literally played for world leaders, kings, conducted an orchestra, has lots of awards, worked with global companies, successfully raised funds and organized their own 2-man world tour to promote classical music to masses, has almost 3 mil followers... Also twosetviolin: SIT DOWN. BE HUMBLE I love you so much
Thanks to Brett and Eddy, I finally got a violin outfit and just had my first lesson today as a 23 y/o. I've put it off for so long because I thought I was too "old", but it's never too late to start and it feels like my soul is being nourished. It's thanks to these kinds of progress videos, and to 2Set for inspiring non classical people like me to play from scratch/pick up the violin again.
If you're TOO OLD, then I wonder what that makes me?!?! I'm 45!!!!! lol! And I just got a violin a year ago (but was only able to practice with it ONCE in that year), so that year doesn't count! Now I practice every day- and realized that READING MUSIC is what I need to learn- it's no different than piano I took as a kid, just need to learn to read it for each individual instrument....then you can play ANYTHING! 👍🏼
not really, you don't need 40 hours, i practice less than 20 minutes a day and made a huge difference in 2 years, i could do vibrato in the first two months
I heard this violin story years ago... After the concert was over, a lady comes up to the violin performer and says, "That was amazing, I would give my life to play like that!". The performer said, "I did."
@@SevenEllen Exactly. Brett was selected to play at the G20 summit because he was probably one of the best (if not the best) young violinist in Australia at that time when G20 happened there. What the politicians do afterward is independent of Brett's achievement.
I know this is an old video so you guys probably won't see this comment, but I love how you supported adult beginners. I am an adult beginner, 6 months in, and in the very beginning it's so hard because you sound awful, you're full of doubts and questioning everything about your posture etc., & everyone has this idea that only kids can learn how to play so you feel a lot of pressure to prove yourself. I was lucky to stumble onto TwoSet from my very first week and your videos have not only taught me a lot of music, it's always makes me want to go practice again. Anyway I just wanted to say thanks for all the love for adult beginners.
I can't speak for violin, but I feel that with piano progress videos like these, they can be misleading, because the case with a lot of self-taught people is that they pick a piece that is way too high a level for them, and then spend a year learning it, so in the progress video it makes them look like a god, but they don't actually have the skills needed to play other pieces at that level (obviously not speaking for all self-taught musicians here, just something I have observed over the years)
Same with me and piano. We must remember that adults have backgrounds, different mindset, better cognitive function, concentration and motivation to learn than children. I have some musical education, I’ve learned to read notes before I’ve learned to read letters and I’ve been singing, tinkering with instruments, including piano, my whole life. But I still consider myself a beginner. So it’s much easier for me and others with similar backgrounds even we think nothing of it. I pick what I want to learn and spend time drilling it. So I may seem a better player than I am. I think adults have patience and fun drilling hard pieces, scales, exercises but little patience for easy stuff. I go through grade 1-3 books/etudes for sight reading and it makes me bored in 2 mins but I can drill small details of 8 notes for 20 min in a piece I’ve been playing for 6 months. Go figure. I think it’s ok to do it both (lots of easy pieces or one or two hard ones) ways as long as you are having fun. As adult beginners we don’t usually have plans to become professional musicians, we just play what and how we want to play :). Still, these videos show how much it’s possible to achieve if you go all in, even if with one piece.
That’s like me and guitar. I started just learning songs I like without learning the basics...or at least the basics needed for those songs. It looks impressive that I can play those songs, but I’m pretty much a beginner for everything else.
True, I'm self learner (guitar). I can play really hard and fast pieces, but sometimes I'm making terrible mistakes when I have to play something easy :-/
After 3 weeks of violin, I yesterday discovered the vibrato on my own. It's so simple and easy, but if you force it it will be so hard. Let it come to you naturally and it will be the best.
@@ViolinMasterfrom0toaHero That's okay! It takes time. I've played for about 15 years now, and I can attest to vibrato being one of the hardest techniques to develop.
I am a 30-year-old beginner, I started learning violin since July, but now I cannot attend my classes because of covid quarantine in my region, I work (8.30 ~ 18.30) and I am studying a diploma (3hrs) among other activities (photography and poledancing) at the same time, so I don't have much time. However EVERY DAY I practice at least 1 hour and last month I have started to learn as a self-taught (by quarantine) and I also took a music theory course because I had never played an instrument in my life, now I feel really happy. Age doesn't matter at all. Your happiness is all that matters. 💕
@@shaunlulz Teachers from old sovietic school say like this even to 12 yeared pupils. I think it's not correct. If you wanna study something - age doesn't matter. Phrases "it's late for you to study" or "why you came here in your age?" are discriminative and toxic.
thank you for sharing Catalina! I love your story, and have been struggling with similar issues. but hearing this warms up my heart and inspires me not to give up!
I am self taught also: and it’s incredibly funny to hear how you guys learned it in a professional manner because it’s so different. I did the same as the people in the videos. I just picked songs I wanted to play and jumped right into it and I learned while I played.
I am 50 years old, and I took up violin for the Pandemic. I'm four months into my instruction at this point. I screeched my way through the first weeks before making acceptable sounds. I appreciate your videos as supplemental to my instruction. Thank you.
I started learning violin when i was 11 and then I left it. Then i picked it up again at 17, and then left again due to my teacher being a little harsh (and me focusing on guitars). Now, after a music degree in guitar performance and 4 years of being a professional musicians, i'm turning 28 next Tuesday and I have restarted violin, again. This time no tutor like i had earlier (bc cant afford), but really hoping to pull it longer this time. Thank you for this video.
That's so kind of you to ask. ❤️ I've actually gotten better! I am taking all the resources on the internet to get my technique and posture correct. Slowly corrected the way I sit (I play indian carnatic violin) and learnt to shift from first position to second position! There are still intonation issues but I'm now able to express melodic ideas! I'm so damn happy I recently posted a song on my insta, finally after years, first violin video. I was very insecure before but now I think I'm able to make music happen. :') it's still going good! I sit with the violin at least half an hour a day!
@@ayanjoemusic that is so inspiring to hear. It sounds like you are truly motivated. I, too, am on a music journey in an effort to play the piano exceptionally. Had my first independent session yesterday and only practiced finger drills. I long for the day I can sit and play something truly therapeutic for myself and others. Hoping to take some classes, too, but that all financially depends. Anyway, I’m so glad for you. After watching a few “how to play violin” videos, I’ve grown a respect for those who’ve taken on the challenge. I’m sure you’re aware of Anne Sofie Mutter- she’s inspired me as well. On the off-change you haven’t heard of her, please look her up. She’s one of the best violinist in the world. I wish you the best on your musical endeavor
Real Beginner adult here since January 2019. I’m learning with my daughter and I’m on Suzuki book 2 Minuet Boccherini. No vibrato yet. Still got my 1, 3, and 4 tapes. Excited to start Book 3!
The majority of beginner players who quit, do so in the 4 book. When you get there, just keep pushing, it’ll pay off! Violin is a really wonderful instrument, and I hope you enjoy playing as much I do!
@Camillo Tejan True, but that means she can tune her violin herself AND play that good, and she's self taught too! I just let my instructor tune on every lesson and still miss the positioning lmao
Me after seven years: finally you teach me 3rd position, teacher! Yeah, I know, seven years is really long, but 1. I didn't really practiced and 2. honestly I don't know. I had learned the complete first position fingering, quite some bowing techniques, and my intonation, dynamics, rhythm etc. was fine as well. After she finally taught me I began practicing several times a week (I didn't practice at all before, because I was depressed by learning nothing new. I couldn't see any progress wich made practicing discouraging), then Corona came wich made me practice almost everyday and then I discovered TwoSet wich let to me practicing an hour every day.
@Camillo Tejan If you are a beginner, you tend to use all metal strings because they keep the tuning and are easier to get sound from. For metal strings you use a fine tuner. When you play on gut strings (nowadays usually syntetic gut) a fine tuner is useless, you will have to turn it forever before anything happens. So lack of fine tuners means you use higher quality strings which sound better but are harder to play and you need to tune more often. Those strings have metal wound around them, so they still look like metal. Naked natural gut is used for hardcore baroque period style playing..
@@yasminehmam.1198 Usually, what I do is make a list of two things I want to focus on (shedding spots, vibrato, intonation, bow technique) and then do my best to work those specifically. I know when I practice I'll say that I'm only going to work on bow tech but then I find so many other things to improve, but I try to rotate what I focus on each session so I get to everything. Hope that helps, it helps me stay focused.
Yea, but you have to practice to know how to practice correctly. No one just knows how to practice correctly right off the bat--that takes practice too. xD
The problem when you are self-taught (I am a self-taught guitarist) is that you don't learn everithing you should, and maybe the things you learn are not in the most convinient order. However maybe that's the reason why these two violinist had the chance to learn how to do vibrato in a short time.
Exactly. You learn what you want to play the most and not what you should, so you end up missing vital information that is important to progress. This often goes for kids and adults...I noticed my son (who is a kid) loves math and loves to do it on his own, but he wants to skip the lessons that take him the longest (like long addition/subtraction) and have the most tedious steps.
@@dianeyoung8130 I think that doing/learning whatever it is that you enjoy about a given subject really helps to make the tedious stuff less painful too. You always have to be on the look out for bad habits when you do that though, the first way you learn is hard to break.
👍🏻 to that. I took a single high school piano class and i wanted to learn to play one song so my teacher tried to figure out how to teach it to me as a novice. Its now the only song i can play because I don’t own a piano and i was a high school senior XD so i can do some weird hand positions but i still have to count my notes from middle c XD
It truly is impressive what regular practice can do. I witnessed it myself when my friend started playing classical guitar. He would practice like 4-6 hours a day and he could play some impressive stuff within a few months.
As a self-taught cello player, it's very satisfying to see other self-taught adult beginners progress to more advanced techniques through hard work and practice..
Bob Da Thang that’s what i do LMFAOOO my parents even bought me a new viola cuz i kept complaining that my old one was why it sounded bad.... i still sound bad LOLOLOL
I can relate to this, the first time I picked a violin was at 34 years old. Now, two years later, I am getting pretty decent. I've been having regular classes with a teacher and I also managed to transfer a lot of left hand dexterity and technique from my 15 years experience of playing classical guitar. But my bow hand is still trash and I am working really hard to improve it. Learning the violin was one of the best experiences in my life, violin is such a hard and rewarding instrument at the same time.
I’m 30 and I just started learning a year ago and I absolutely understand what you mean about the bow hand. I can pizzicato a song no problem but once the bow is involved it’s kinda like a train wreck
I picked up my great great grandfather’s violin at age 33 and with a really fine teacher and no talent whatsoever, her first day sounded much like my one year improvement. But 39 years later I’ve graduated to her one year proficiency.
Same as you, I started to learn violin self-taught at 31, after a few months I was able to play some pieces partially decent, also because of playing classical guitar since age 18. After a few years I stopped playing violin and guitar because of lack of time, kids, etc. Then my son got interested in learning, so I took him to classes, then I learned some basic technique from his teacher. It is always much easier to learn an instrument if you already know how to play another. Now, much older, I started learning electric guitar self-taught too. And I restarted playing piano, and started composing. But I quit the violin, maybe one of these days....
Ah, watching them watching her play and progress is so unbelievably encouraging, and exciting in a weird way! Please do more videos like this! I want to learn an instrument and have someone be this excited at my progress!
I've found that adult beginners (at least in dance, likely similar for music as well) pick things up faster because they have coordination built up that can translate to other things more easily. Like, with little kids, they start with the same basics, but might not be able to control their body in the necessary ways, meaning it takes them longer to move up levels. They are building coordination as they learn, which might mean they can go a little further in their chosen art because their coordination is built around their art. Adult learners build their art around their coordination, so they can fly by the basics (it's often the simple stuff like {again, dance} step touches, where your arms go, etc. Takes little kids a while, adults can do it in their sleep), but it might take a while for adults to reach their desired level.
Adults learn faster, but it's harder for them to master the instrument. Kids learn slower, but when they're adults that instrument is just ingrained into their blood.
Also keep in mind that music is a language and your ability to distinguish between notes and accents greatly diminishes after childhood. So while you can still master an instrument, it'll be almost impossible to master certain things like perfect pitch because of an adult brain being less malleable when learning sounds than a developing child's brain. So learning perfect pitch or certain accents of different language is something that is best learned early. Studies even show that children that grew up with very accent heavy languages such as Mandarin or Vietnamese are better at distinguishing between notes than others with less tonal languages.
Sure. It's especially true if there is a basic understanding of rhythm there already from something else like dancing. The really crazy thing to see is how fast experienced musicians can pick up completely new instruments. I'm talking like piano to trombone or something with a wide gulf between on physical technique.
Guitar for 10 and I’ve got friends who have learned by themselves for 2 years and can pull off a solo while I try to somehow figure out the scale and chord progressions
My teacher made me do the stuffed animal trick. Like get a small hand size stuffed animal and hold it up in your left hand to make sure your wrist stays straight and doesn't bend. And then slowly practice going back in forth with your finger. This took me a few weeks but it really helped to get the correct movement down.
@@fabiog801 lol no😂😂. I live in the Philippines and I haven't went anywhere outside my country so it would be impossible to be his student, tho I would like to learn violin one day.😂😂
Well, when i was a kid i felt in love with violin but my parents could not afford the cost. I'm over 30 years old now and since a few months i'm saving money so i could buy a violon and start lessons in 2021. I'm not planning to be a pro or a LingLing (with all respect i have for them). Also i listen classical music almost every day and by practicing the violin i hope i'll have some new perspective of what i'm hearing. Thanks for this video, thanks to people sharing their progress, this is very inspiring ! Cheers from France ! Love your channel !
Good luck on your journey! Have you considered renting a violin? Many luthiers will substract the overall amount you paid while renting when making a purchase.
Well, maybe they first learnt different instrument, then they didn't "waste" time to learn how to read music, etc. I play piano since I was 6yo, and now, as an adult, I started learning violin and flute and it's totally different experience. You know how intervals works, how this piece should sound and learning goes faster (especially if your "music friends" sometimes borrowed you their instruments and showed you how to play them). The only difficult thing is, of course, the proper technique.
@@wiktoriajanecka675 Money and time. I'm a poor and exhausted uni student :D I picked violin and I am happy with that decision although I still like to listen to flute.
I am an adult beginner (50+ years of guitar though) and you guys inspire me. I had been playing mostly mountain fiddle tunes and old times stuff but you turned me on to Paganiniana, a small (and easier) part of which I picked up on and it fascinates me. I’m improvising stuff starting from that. I hope Ling Ling will not be displeased with such a sacrilege, but like Olaf says, I’m having fun! Wee!!!
Funny story about how not to learn the violin: I picked up the violin again when I was 15 (had tried having my sister teach me a few times when I was younger), and decided to learn Spring by Vivaldi since, well... spring is primavera, which is related to the word "first"... it was very logical in my head, anyway. My sister was learning the cello (we were both self-teaching), so we attempted a duet. What resulted was not Spring. It sounded like all the seasons thrown into a blender and then played by a viola. Thankfully I got a clue and took it down a notch to folk songs, and now I am happily learning under an actual teacher a year and a half later. The moral: if you want to learn to play an instrument, don't be afraid to begin at the beginning. You'll need a solid foundation if you want to learn to play harder pieces well. NOW GO PRACTICE.
Brett and Eddy watching celebrities: SACRILEGIOUS!!! LAMENTABLE!!! LING LING IS DISGUSTED WITH YOU!!! Brett and Eddy watching normal (not-famous) people: Aw, not bad for three weeks. Good job!
I know I'm 2 years late but tbh you guys make me feel like it's never too late. I gave up playing violin as a tween almost specifically cause my mom got me a cheap ass violin that wouldn't tune for the life of me, financial issues and a lot more drama. I forgot how to correctly read sheet music and everything but, watching these videos made me feel inspired and the way I did the first ever time I picked up a violin. You can be an adult prodigy and I love the thought of it, feeling a violin that I can choose for myself within my hands and play so many wonderful sounds and symphonies. It makes me want to see what I can achieve.
I somehow imagine they would be shouting things like "Ling Ling practices 40 hours a day, lah! Why don't you pracitce, lah?!" at you all the time... :O
They have a video called "Teaching strangers how to play violin in 5 minutes" where they do exactly that, though of course on a bit of a tight schedule. Also Eddy has his own youtube channel (named Eddy Chen) where he has lots of really good serious videos on various topics in violin playing, and that I really wish he'd start uploading to again.
You can tell when she got super inspired by Lindsey Stirling. Changed the violin, hair, started learning her songs too. I mean...kinda looked her as well.
@@beanie8218 research different apps. For like $10 a month they will give you lessons. And here on youtube you can learn so many new things. I have a church buddy who is learning this way. And im brushing up on my violin playing after stopping for a few years.
This really motivates me. I started violin when I was 10 years old, it was a project at school. I'm now 16 years old. People often tell me that I started too late and stuff but I think the most important thing is that I love playing the violin and I'm doing this for myself and not because my parents want me to. I'm learning vivaldis winter right now and I'm so happy that I got so far and that I never gave up.
I love everything about your story!! I started violin when I was 6, and everyone told me during my whole career that I couldn't be a professional cuz I started too late. But intention truly means as much as age. I loved it, and especially orchestra/band jam sessions. I still play violin/fiddle with my husband (guitar) and my son loves it when we jam together. I might not be a professional, but it still brings so much light and joy into my family routine. It has worth, intrinsically
Honestly, seeing these newbies get to decent players in just 2 years gives me hope. Now, I just have to practice 40 hours a day and I too might succeed as they have.
Brett: *Plays flawlessly*
Also Brett: It’s hard to play without warming up
h u g e f l e x
He could’ve practiced before.
That was his warm up
grilled_babies_r _yum *big sigh*
i love a brett flexboi
@@laggyfilms4768 *big oof*
I love how the camera quality also improves as the violinist progresses
2 years is a huge gap for affordable cameras of good quality.
those are the phone cameras for sure :D
Meanwhile 2sets camera focus in Ling Ling 40 hours is still as blurry as ever
While twoset still out of focus after 6 years :') (joke, i love u twoset❤)
Camera quality? On two set? Pfft
Oooh! 😲🤩🤩 So fun to be in your video!😁 🎻🎶🎵
Hi Noobie!
Did you have experience with any other instrument before violin? Excellent video and was amazing to see your progress!
Yay!!!
Nice progress video
@@Frostbitten. Thank you!😁🎻🎶🎵 The violin is the first instrument I learned to play. I tried the guitar at 16, since people talked about it being a easy instrument to play, but I only learned a few chords and realized it was not my thing. Felt it was too difficult. When I started the violin on the other hand, I got so inspired and motivated to practice almost everyday😁🎻🎶🎵 Though, people did tell me I was too old, but that made me even more motivated to prove them wrong. I have tried to play the guitar after learning the violin, and its still not for me XP
My husband and I are 70 and 69 respectively and newly retired. We decided to keep our minds active we are going to learn to play new instruments. He the cello and me the violin. I just finished my 3rd lesson. We hope to make beautiful music together in the coming years. I loved this video. Thanks for the encouragement that you can always learn to play.
You can do it, Siri!! What a perfect way to 'age gracefully' and keep your brain healthy!!!
Dayum. I envy you...
That’s an awesome idea. My dad did that. Except he had a background in erhu (a string instrument) from his teens. So in his retirement years, he moved onto yangqin, and then flute. He got so good at it the past 10 years, he even performed for 6 years straight. He’s over 70 now.
Happy Retirement!!! Enjoy!!!
Happy retirement! Go for it! Looking forward to hearing you guys later...
Frets: exist
Twoset: THAT'S CHEATING, SACRILEGIOUS!
*lamentable*
I think they were just lines, not actual frets. Just showing where the finger should be placed.
@@Danocaster214 it's a thing called 'fiddle fretter'. It's a pice of plastic with frets that you can put on the fingerboard
Fascinating. That is truly sacrilegious.
When he said "Adults learn faster, but they hit a plateau really quickly", I felt that.
_cries on plateau_
LMAOO Meeee xd
Same dude
I think it's normal though
@@kinarast yeah it’s normal but it’s so relatable how you don’t find that out until you do it😂 like all adult beginners k
Think they’re prodigies after a year and then sadly have a plateau in improvement😭
Why is that exactly ? Is there any theory to support that ?
This video should be titled: Twoset being surprised for 12 minutes straight
I just wanna say that I'm the 667th liker of your comment which means I destroy your 666
its me hahaha that’s something I would do lol
its me hahaha u evil XD
I'm a self taught pianist and the thing I've noticed is that self taught players tend to learn by playing pieces they like which often means you're "running before you can walk". On the one hand it's good because you're learning through exploration and don't get bored playing really basic pieces, but on the other hand you might not pick up the fundamentals of the instrument and the theory, and can develop bad habits.
This is exactly how I'm feeling. Its been a month since getting a keyboard trying to learn all the songs I like, but I feel like I'm shooting myself in the foot by not going to a teacher If I want to learn properly
Totally agree!
What I like to do for hobbies like this is to learn and grind the fundamentals 50% of the time, and spend the other 50% just goofing off and doing what I like, and remembering why I started learning the skill in the first place.
Exactly that. Cause I’ll learn a very hard piece any day. And memorize it and not really know much of anything else. I first learned cello and learned about half of cello suite No 1 within a few months
Facts
Being mostly self-taught, she probably doesn't realize what she "can't" do, so she just goes ahead and does it
I didn't see a guitar irl until I was 15 and the first thing I played was the intro to Fast Car by Tracy Chapman and Scar Tissue by RHCP because they were my favourite songs
I honestly don't believe she did that in 2 years
@@Mesanin3 Scar Tissue? Damn bro
Same! Thats how i learned kalimba ocarina and ukulele :))
So much THIS!
"I've upgraded from the dark side back to normal." Every human that has ever had a middle school emo phase
when you’re kinda still in it
I went emo then to the darker side. Metal.
Jago Oswell Metal is not a phase, it is a commitment.
Don't fret the little the little stuff...
bummer. I thought Helena was the gal in TwoSet's video. I was sad when I found Helena has zero videos. I still wonder who the gal is. That was amazing progress! I wish I could do that! :-p
"I didn't touch Mozart for like, ten years"
Twinkle Twinkle Little Star:
Mozart didnt't write it, he wrote 12 variations on it
Lmfaoo
@@mralcina8726 yeah
Eddy said Mozart 5
You see that one Asian pianist who did hardcore twinkle twinkle little star? Don't mock the potential when one masters even a basic song.
"Adults learn faster, but they hit a plateau really quickly"-So true. I think for many adults it's a self-imposed plateau. They pick up violin quicker than children because they know what the violin should sound like. But then they get frustrated and hit a plateau because they know what the violin should sound like! Half the battle is in your mind!
I've always been like that. I'm really good right out of the gate and with a little practice, even in a week people think I've been doing it for over a year or two. Then I hit a plateau and decide if I want to put in more effort or not. By that time, I usually find that it's not for me or achieved what I set out to do. By comparison of the video, I was already doing vibrato and writing my own songs in just a month what takes beginners a year, but after that, I got stuck and decided it wasn't for me anymore.
Really nice comment!
“I can’t imagine how to play with a violin out of tune for three months”
Me: *cries in playing a piano out of tune for 5 years*
My piano Teacher NEVER tuened her piano The sound that it make when You press a key sounds more that The actual note
Edit:thx for the likes
why are pianos so expensive to tune? is it possible to just use the ‘wrench’ yourself and have a digital tuner there? it doesn’t seem like it should be too expensive, but then again a lot of things are like that
@@wetsocks8378 really it's the physical risk involved.
Stringed instruments are often dangerous to tighten, even in things like violins and guitars. If the string snaps and you're in the way, it can cause some damage and draw blood, especially if it hits your face.
Now, imagine those strings, but longer, thicker, and with much more tension.
It's like a loaded spring in a garage door, or a grandfather clock. If it releases at just the wrong time, and at the wrong angle, it could very well take an eye out, or worse.
Really, it's just safer to leave it up to someone who has the proper training to tune your piano, just like you'd call a repair man for your garage door motor.
@@wetsocks8378 There's also a lot of work involved: not all pianos have the same type of action, and if you look there aren't only 88 strings, there are more like ~200 iirc in most modern pianos, and changing the tension on one can change the tensions on the neighboring so it's fairly labor intensive and can take a couple of hours to do for experienced technicians. it's worse if the piano hasn't been tuned in a long time since the strings often need to settle over a period of a couple of months after the tuning and may need to be fine tuned again after.
at least it's not playing digital piano for idek how many years lol
90%: brett and eddy being flexed on by beginners
10%: brett and eddy flexing on us
Ling ling wannabes: *getting immensely flexed on*
Yeah that ending, flexing hard. Love it
ua-cam.com/video/8akkfjZbiw4/v-deo.html
Twoset: you don’t shift till you are in Grade 3
Child prodigies: you wanna see some REAL SPEED?
Ha
i show you some real speed
Bumblebee intensifies
If you can shift slowly, you can shift quickly
If you can improve quickly you can improve slowly
psa: it is never too late to start an instrument!
I started playing viola when I was 13, which seems early in comparison to the adults in the video, but still meant that I was around 5 years behind my peers. My parents discouraged it because they thought it would be too much to catch up to. However, I think this actually helped me in the long run, because I was more passionate, and so didn't become apathetic or quit like a lot of other kids. I'm proud to say, after two years, I'm now at relatively the same level as the kids my age who have been playing 7+ years. I'm even doing my first concerto competition this year!
In conclusion, music is an amazing hobby that should have no age or experience limit to start
Yeah I would have thought differently in the past but now I know it’s not true. Just do it
we literally have the same story, I started viola around 2 years ago as well when I was also 13 and now I play extremely well for how long I've been playing and I'm even above some who started wayy before me
It's always too late, but the second best time is right now.
Bro i started viola like 4 months ago and i just had my first concert. Massive w to anyone who plays viola
I started around the same time as you. I stopped playing in high school. I miss playing.
"If you can learn it slowly, you can learn it quickly" every people who made those videos
Hahahaha 😆 😂
These people are just descendants of Ling Ling
Every people
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I'm built that way also... Tbh I learned guitar over 3 months and I got to an intermediate level but I keep myself stuck there because I don't learn anything new I'm afraid I won't be any better than what I am already... Fear is the biggest obstacle of life... As soon as you learn to break it you'll be the best of you!
The beauty of being self taught is you can start damn wherever you want
But there's a high possibility of mess up your foundation. So go to find a teacher is better if you can.
Also the flaw of being self taught
@@yanlim18 nah. having someone telling you what to do the whole time is boooooring. I think it's better to learn by yourself because you can learn a lot faster without someone telling you what to do everyday
@@somethingjustgonewrongyeah9079
Yeah I get that, I’m about to start playing the 61-keyboard I’ve had for a year and I can’t wait to get to the harder stuff once I study the basics for a few weeks.
In all my old music classes, I was taught that the best way to learn is through learning and playing a song. Never have I been taught the basics of how to hold an instrument and read sheet music for longer than one lesson and the rest is already like 10 sheet of song for a performance in a few months.
I learned best that way and I find it better if there are certain songs you want to play specifically because after a while of doing that, you memorise where each note is on the instrument.
A teacher doesn’t do much but instruct you and you can easily look at UA-cam videos for help. Within a year I learned violin and flute flawlessly with not much help from teachers and all just self-taught.
Learning a piece of music is the best way to train your brain compared to mindlessly repeating notes. It helps but it’s better to do it via song so you memorise a lot more within a short amount of time, at least it was for me. Isn’t he end, it depends on how your brain is wired and what works best for you.
When I started with guitar, I started with ukulele. But my ukulele broke and the luthier took months to fix it (and also sent it back to me with an unsatisfactory fix twice). So the guitar shop that was helping was so embarrassed that the luthier he vouched for bungled it so bad, he sold be a "sample" Tanglewood which was identical to their top of the line model but without electronics for insanely cheap. Still one of the nicest guitars I have ever played. Almost Taylor level.
So I learned Romanza. And then I got another deal on a guitar, this time a cheap one, which I customized with a hand rubbed finish, old bone nut and saddle and nice strings. All solid mahogany, with small visual defect on the back. For a hundred bucks usd.
I then started learning the Koyunbaba suite. Took me a while, and it was quite a journey, but damn, did I learn a lot through that.
The trick is, when you can pick your own damn music, you're much more motivated to actually practice.
I started with cello when I was a kid and every piece was horrible to play. Oh well.
Then I got older and started with The Swan instead and moved over to Thais Meditation.
Fuck that Yamaha method bullshit. Play with passion. Learn with passion.
Eddy: the next part is the hard part
Brett: *already playing*
My heart: *swoons*
Whats the name of that song tho? I cant for the life of me remember the name.
M W that song is Csárdás
@@thaomoc1526 Ah yes I was looking for this comment
It’s a piece guys 🤦🏻♂️
😳😳😳
I wonder if some adult beginners progress faster without a teacher but with videos because they don't know what is considered difficult and just learn what interests them. This could lead to gaps that need to be filled in later but may be more natural (at least for some people).
@UrBoyJuan i’m complete agree, my first piece was fur elise and i legitimately played the full piece in about 5 months from complete begginer. it wasn’t perfect but looking back at videos it was definitely an average performance. I didn’t care about learning techniques or what was too difficult but just did whatever i felt like. This is why im kinda against formal standardized teaching because it underestimates what we can grasp when we’re completely new. I’m a jazz pianist now, and i can’t imagine where i’d be if i had started playing very cookie cutter pieces with the usual beginner practices.
one of the world class piano players learned what is considered by many the hardest piece in a week. Her response was that "no one told her it was hard". Of course some aspects of learning a hard piece are factual but there is definitely an edge to psyching yourself out on hard pieces I think.
Even a piece above someones level is still learnable, just more practice overall.
i think people who are willing to put in the effort to teach themselves violin for more than a week are dedicated enough to learn faster than a lot of people who are forced into it.
I started piano at 20 and Fantasie Impromptu was my first piece lol.
@UrBoyJuan and your more implied to learn a song that you can throughly enjoy which will help you to keep trying and not give up compared to leaning a bunch of easy and slowly harder stuff over the years
Me, who's been saying for years that I'm too old to start playing again:
"Well sh*t"
Played violin when i was 14, stopped because i couldnt progress, im 21 maybe its not too late to pick it up again haha
No matter your age, the only thing keeping you from being good at playing an instrument is your mindset
@@glenndiddy and your wallet hahaha /j
Eleven years ago (age 50) started playing Tenor Sax. Three years ago started playing the French Horn. With no prior music at all. As an adult it's a passion thing. "I want to do this". So I make time for it. Oh, I am now a member of a local community band. Loving it! Love your channel TwoSetViolin!
I'm right with you! I was not tackling difficult repetoire... then quarantine happened and I'm sweating through mendelssohn and chopin
I feel like she progressed faster than they expected because she's an adult, so her coordination is better. As someone who started playing at 6 years old, I was also surprised when some of my friends picked up the violin later than me, and advanced much quicker. Though, people who start young definitely get an enormous head start with learning an instrument, your initial progress can often be quicker if your an adult.
Also, i don't know the person in the video, but it is possible that she has learned another instrument before the violin. That is an enormous factor in how quickly you can progress. I experienced the same thing when I started learning guitar after 12 years of violin.
As an adult beginner i have my doubts as there's a ton of stuff you just need to experiment with a ton. I get a lot of bouncy bow for no apparent reason for example no matter what I try with weight, speed, stiffer or looser hand etc it's not something you read in a book as an adult and aha, so i know it now... violin seems to have a ton of such things in fact it feels like things you can learn in theory is the smaller part and where you need practice and routine is the bigger part.
I just started learning a little over a month ago at 35 years old because of this channel. I already play bass guitar (sacriligeous) and piano.... so far I’m progressing quite well but intonation with this instrument is giving me a bit of a hard time.
Here's the thing:
You want to learn violin at a young age, but you can't be learning it at an old age (15+). When you start at a super young age it's also very very hard, because you're not as smart. So if you start at maybe like 7-10 that's good.
i started the violin after 9 years of playing piano and i am literally doing vibrato, string crossings, canon in d and spicatto after 2 months of studying
I'm 13 and I started violin in January. I'm playing ode to joy and twinkle twinkle little star. I'm still a beginner. Is it good for me?
As a kid you practice because your parents want you to, or you're interested but don't see it as something that's hugely important.
If you stick with it as an adult, you do it because you want to. You're doing it for you.
I have to agree, I got to the point as a teenager, that the piano no longer held my interest, it became a chore rather than fun. I have forgotten almost everything that I learned back then.
Exactly
I'm turning 15 in a few months and I haven't mastered ANY musical instrument therefore I feel old and wish that my parents enrolled me to some lessons during my younger days but now I'm trying to teach myself guitar (lmao we're middle class and can't afford expensive ones) then this just gave me hope...maybe if I earn money someday I'd play the violin too.
This. This is the motivation aspect that plays into why so many people think people are prodigies or just have a certain aptitude for something it's because they like it. Or they have a drive and passion to do it if you try to force someone to do something they don't want to do you're not going to see good results. Not in the sense that they may not be able to play well, sometimes you get people who are an exceptionally good player and then you'll get students to barely put the effort in because they don't care about it because they're being forced but if you have the sense that are exceptionally good that's still don't care about it they just give up because they don't want to do it
@@hugnboba same but I am 17. Both of my bestfriends can play instruments whenever they talk about music , deep inside I feel untalented and sad. I know it's not their fault but I can't help but feel like that..😢😢
Hi, just wanted to say you guys are great. I started learning last January and I'm 56 years old. I'm completely in love with my violin.
How's it going?
@@valeriagomez1982 he dropped it
Did u drop it
Lesson learned: Starting young doesnt make you a prodigy, practice does.
You may want to Google what a prodigy is
@@CoastGraffiti Prodigy is often used, but not limited to kids pal. Its someone of or with very great ability of something. It´s usually refered to children who grow up with immense talent, but is very much not limited too. But feel free google it mate and actually look up a dictonary
Grand G never said it was limited to kids. A prodigy is someone who is naturally or unusually good at something. You can’t practice to be a prodigy, you are usually born as one.
Edit: to clarify, you don’t have to be born as a prodigy, you can become one later in life, but you can’t practice to be a prodigy like this person is saying.
@@CoastGraffiti No shit sherlock, thats what my whole comment is about, aka we arent all born with talent, practice makes you talented, you can still be a prodigy. Did you honestly watch the video mate? These people seem pretty naturally talented to me hence why their progress is so quick.
Grand G you can’t become a prodigy, you have to be one
I’m constantly blown away by how respectful and encouraging TwoSet are. Like yes, they will be the first to roast celebrities and TV show clips, but if someone’s showing a genuine interest -they are so welcoming. I’ve never learned an instrument and it’s comforting to know that even as an adult, it’s not embarrassing to start now.
well those TV shows never respected classical music in the first place, so it is understandable that Twoset did not respect those shows. It is a different matter with people genuinely learning and working hard, and of course, practice.
we classical music folks are usually not snobby people :) we simply love music and appreciate anyone who shows genuine interest in it! Go ahead and start an instrument!
I am 53yrs old and literally just started. I sound awful, my dog howls, runs and goes out the backyard and does not come in until I stop but, is okay. I am getting better though, today my dog only howled for 5 minutes out of the 30 mins I practiced. Big improvement. Is never too late to learn something you are passionate about.
@@ealston0826 Haha I'm glad your dog is becoming less scared! That's some good progress!!
@@creampuff966 Thank you. More than scared, I think his ears just hurt from the horrible sound :-) :-) :-)
when she got a new violin, she played the "brothers" from full metal alchemist, I'm fangirling-
I was about to ask which piece it was in the comment because it sounded so familiar. Thank you
I thought I recognised it
From one weeb to another thank you for existing😌
Hahaha I was about to comment the same thing
Sameeee, I finished it 4 days ago and I loved it!!!
So I turned 40 in November, and bought my first violin a week ago. I don't expect progress like this, but 23+ years of guitar playing has hammered home the importance of practice. Here we go! 🎻
Update?
@@therudimentroom I've been practicing religiously, have gotten a better violin, and am currently working on a few pieces including "Test Flight" from How to Train Your Dragon, the theme from Last of the Mohicans, and Spring from Vivaldi's Four Seasons. Thanks for asking! 😊
@@nerdthusiasm4788 update 2?
@@rainyee-pc5lf I feel so seen! 😊 Scales. Always scales! I play with my tuner app running to make sure my pitch is good, am meticulous about my bowing, and am making great progress. Brett and Eddie are right. Ling Ling Wannabes are the best people. Thanks for asking!
@@nerdthusiasm4788 scales and tuning are godly, yes
update 3.. maybe?
I'm at 8 months of daily practice without a teacher, and my husband remarked yesterday that I no longer have strangling cats as a hobby 🤦🏻♀️
Nice words of encouragement 😊
Loooool that made me crack
Good luck 🥰
That's quick!
Ah, I remember my days as a cat strangler. Good times.
Ah, nice. I play cello, and when I try vibrato... DYING CATS BEWARE FAMILY
Okay no jokes. This episodes means a LOT to me. it was INDEED really hard, especially for adult beginner players. I was one of them, and now are currently grinding my skills and did some practices almost everyday.
sometimes, deep inside there are lots of self-struggles and debates like "Is it worth it to practice this hard at this age? will I be able to do it?" and finally doubting yourself, thinking "Is it worth it? is it too late?" That kind of doubts, and worries sometimes creep inside your heart.
Thank you for bringing this videos up, this boosts means a lot to me, I do hope this will motivates others who learned to play an instrument in their adulthood. you are not alone, lets practice more, there is hope :)
👍🏻
I'm 30 and I started 7 months ago. This video gave me quite the boost I need.
It is never too late as long as you're alive. Remember this :)
@@labimartins9809 thank you Labi! What a heartwarming replies :)
Reading this inspires me. I haven’t been consistent with my practicing and it shows, it’s quite lamentable actually. Thanks! 👏🏽
If you can progress slowly, you can progress quickly
Truth!
if you can practice slowly, you can practice quickly
@@EJ-nv9ug but at least 40h a day!
@@samsapiel4104 If you can practice 40h slowly, you can practice 40h quickly.
Of chords
it almost brings me to tears seeing the progress and pride that accompanies it. these students are finding a new way to articulate their emotions and the joy on their faces is so clear. absolutely inspiring!
Adult beginner: plays Canon in D after 3 months of 40 hrs of practice per day
TwoSet: He's ready for wedding
so i was ATTACKED on UA-cam
I feel like the second guy also had a glow up with nicer and nicer clothes.
haha so fun to see this comment😂
Maybe that’s what happens when you start learning the violin. You glow up. I need a violin.
Ngl, I've already dressed up in my best suit to play my first full 'song' on cello at home, lmao. Somethin' about playing a string instrument makes you feel more confident and sexy, haha.
The violin glowed him up 😆 🎻
Noticed the same thing. Definitely felt like a reflection of his feelings towards his music.
Eddy: The next part is the hard part D:
Brett: * casually continues playing the hard part * sorry what did you say? i can't hear you over my epicness
It seems like Brett is an expert in certain type of pieces, and then Eddy is also an expert in the other type of pieces.
And also how eddy's fast reaction in accompanying Brett in the last second is AMAZING!
The power of being together for decades
what is the piece called? pls
@@brendon.zxlfn0q2_10 CZardas
I’m a self-taught piano player, been playing for half a year and personally, it’s great to get into harder pieces, but I always just practice easier ones (maybe some chords or scales once in a blue moon) Great compromise
I'm a self taught pianist too! I'm actually quite young but I think I'm quite good
@@katsuxkei same actually (Although I use garageband more often now)
Dudes - I had a student in 1997 - she was beautiful, 19, super smart - studying maths and actuarial science. She came for her first cello lesson. I taught her how to hold the bow - she mastered it in 5 minutes. I thought - wtf? I showed her first position on the left hand - first finger was not good enough - so we did C Maj scale. She played it well - both hands together. We were now maybe 30 minutes into a done hour lesson. Not kidding. So I took out some simple beginner pieces - showed her which places on the stave coincided with which note on the cello. She understood immediately and we sightread through a couple of pieces together. Lesson 2 - cycle of fifths and relative minor scales and how ALL the positions on the fingerboard worked. By lesson four she was playing the Vivaldi cello sonatas - all of them!!! Nice tone, good intonation. Just a genius. Then she was offered a job comparing a new TV show in Hong Kong. She actually tried to get them to fly me out once a month for a lesson. They didn’t agree, but she was a genius.
She wanted to fly you to Hong Kong for every lesson? That would have been really expensive.
Maybe she was a Prodigy and she didn't know
Holy crap dude! And I thought I learned violin fast! M A N
studying actuarial science.....definitely smart........but this sounds way out there crazy......amazing
Genius is genius. I remember teaching my classmate about chess and after my explanation we had a match and----within 5 minutes she wins.
How should I compare this with Piano?
Imagine the person finding the middle C for the first day, them going for Fur Elise about 6 months later, Bach Invento 4 after 1 year (with clear distinction on melody and harmony, as well as finding and expressing the subject with the correct dynamics and articulation), then suddenly he is playing Chopin Nocturne Op 9 No 2 after 1 year and 10 months and after 2 years he is playing the Schubert Impromptu Op 49 No 2. Then in year 3 he is going for the Chopin Ballades.
It's mind blowing. (and puts me to shame haha)
Edit: OMG Ling Ling bless my soul I have never gotten so many likes.
Speaking of the "Chopin is easier than Bach", yes, to an extent. Chopin's pieces are more like, hard in technique. But its "hidden features" are easy to spot, sometimes even noted by the composer himself. Hidden melody? Melody on LH? These are easy.
For Mozart and Bach though, most are technically easy. But if you only play all the notes like some Chinese drama (roasttttttt), it sounds......Bland.
Bach has a ton of hidden stuff. The subject can be placed in LH, inverted, happen at two places at once, even in reverse! There are very few dynamics so you have to adjust the correct one yourself.
Articulation is a big issue too. Staccato on all quavers and legato on all semiquavers, when to use non-legato?
What about counterparts? Where are they? How should you express them?
All these are about the technically easy ones only. Try the partita 5 prelude by Bach. It's a fun piece but technically challenging while having tons of hidden stuff within. This piece was my section A of my grade 8 ABRSM and I am proud to say that I got a full score on it.
I think that's exaggerating a bit much, but still true
LOLLL
That's LEGIT what I did. Started piano at 14. That was pretty much my progress then. Stopped progressing at 17 due to a bunch of life stresses. By the time I stopped I only just learnt the first hard run passage in Ballade No 1.
@@Un1234l I'm at the beginning of that 😂 2 months with Fur Elise... We'll see in 1 year
I started piano with 16 being able to play "Alle meine Entchen" a German children's song that is basically a C-scale, now, one and a half years later I'm learning La Campanella by Liszt (obviously not completely, I'm currently at the third page of like 13). I guess you really cannot compare children's learning speed to the speed of adults/adolescents.
@@chenirene9433 she means the whole piece.
Day 1: Beginner level
Day 2: *_The actual reincarnation of Paganini._*
Day 3: ?
Day 4: profit
Day 3: watch out ling ling I'm taking u down
Elevated quickly; skipped the escalator.
@@aquate9637 too damn funny
Thank you for encouraging adults to learn how to play an instrument. Your humble respect has to mean a lot to these learners. These videos show it can be done and that practice is the key!
Adult beginner year 2: “spiccato, vibrato”
Me, been playing since age 6 until 18: literally can’t even do a proper sustained note
SAME
Did you practice 40 hours a day, though?
HONESTLY
I mean, not trying to flex but, I did vibrato in 2 weeks tho. For me, intonation is harder to nail rather than vibrato. But yeah, I got experiences coz I'm a guitarist
I’m sure you can. Teaching/watching videos of people who need to work in the same thing is a great way to find it in yourself.
If you can learn violin slowly, you can learn violin quickly
Ling ling
Underrated
:)
Patricia A. Badea sorry it’s just a joke chill
@@ILikeBirds well my percussion teacher always said "slow makes fast and fast makes slow," If you really learn the basics slowly you can get them in to your muscle memory, you can become an outstanding musician through deep and meaningful practice but mostly it depends on the person and how much good practice they put into it.
I'm 32 and a lot of people have told me that it's "too late" to learn to play violin correctly. Your video juste gave me hope! :)
it's never too late :) I've taught mid-40-50 people begginers
Ugh, don't listen to them! I started at 34 or something. I got myself a teacher and I'm on suzuki book 6 right now (suzuki - just one of a few teaching/learning methods and progresses from books 1 through 10) which basically means that adult learning is not too late if I'm now working on intermediate level material. You should at least give it a try to see if you like it, and forget about the haters and just do you. Seriously, might be one of the best decisions ever 😀
I'm 62 and started last year.
Bob Klarquist good luck on your journey!
Never let people tell you what possible or not ! Dedication is the key
Coming back to this gives me hope as I finally start my violin journey at 27 years old.
Imagine Eddy's beginner students seeing this: 5:38
DEPRESSION 100
As an adult beginner you have a major advantage over children: you CHOSE the instrument and made the DECISION to learn it. So you put in the effort. With kids it’s usually their parents that choose and they have no motivation longer than 5 lessons.
And you also PAY for the instrument xD so you have hopefully really thought of learning it so you don't waste your money on something you just have standing in a corner
SO TRUE, kids also don't understand things as fast as adults
As a kid i did choose to play an instrument i did choose the violin, not my parents. But as an adult you are able to practice more focussed.
With adult beginners, there's also the fact that if they're choosing to start later in life, they're likely to be more committed to the decision they've made
Victoria P actually it’s proven that kids learn much quicker than adults. But like I still agree
Twosetviolin: literally played for world leaders, kings, conducted an orchestra, has lots of awards, worked with global companies, successfully raised funds and organized their own 2-man world tour to promote classical music to masses, has almost 3 mil followers...
Also twosetviolin: SIT DOWN. BE HUMBLE
I love you so much
Thanks to Brett and Eddy, I finally got a violin outfit and just had my first lesson today as a 23 y/o. I've put it off for so long because I thought I was too "old", but it's never too late to start and it feels like my soul is being nourished. It's thanks to these kinds of progress videos, and to 2Set for inspiring non classical people like me to play from scratch/pick up the violin again.
If you're TOO OLD, then I wonder what that makes me?!?! I'm 45!!!!! lol! And I just got a violin a year ago (but was only able to practice with it ONCE in that year), so that year doesn't count! Now I practice every day- and realized that READING MUSIC is what I need to learn- it's no different than piano I took as a kid, just need to learn to read it for each individual instrument....then you can play ANYTHING! 👍🏼
Nobody makes progress unless they practise like Ling Ling
Facts
Lest get it to 420 likes
lets get it to 500 likes
Let's get it to 690 likes
not really, you don't need 40 hours, i practice less than 20 minutes a day and made a huge difference in 2 years, i could do vibrato in the first two months
I heard this violin story years ago... After the concert was over, a lady comes up to the violin performer and says, "That was amazing, I would give my life to play like that!". The performer said, "I did."
lingling is able practicee 40 hours in a 24 hour period cause he sold his soul to the devil, fact.
jimmyturpin Jascha Heifetz was the preformer.
@@PiranhaSatan You don't know how hard I laughed at this comment lmaooo
Kinda true, all we musicians do is practice, we don't have much of a life outside of music
and that performer name was Ling Ling.
Brett : i don't have an illustrious career
also Brett : played in the G20 summit for presidents and world leaders
Seeing some of the politicians we have today, it might not be too illustrious. lol.
KurtCobain dude F
@@OiishiNoAnko That was a great jibe at the politicians, not Brett and Eddy. :D
@@SevenEllen Exactly. Brett was selected to play at the G20 summit because he was probably one of the best (if not the best) young violinist in Australia at that time when G20 happened there. What the politicians do afterward is independent of Brett's achievement.
@@ajchandra7735exactly thank you
I know this is an old video so you guys probably won't see this comment, but I love how you supported adult beginners. I am an adult beginner, 6 months in, and in the very beginning it's so hard because you sound awful, you're full of doubts and questioning everything about your posture etc., & everyone has this idea that only kids can learn how to play so you feel a lot of pressure to prove yourself. I was lucky to stumble onto TwoSet from my very first week and your videos have not only taught me a lot of music, it's always makes me want to go practice again. Anyway I just wanted to say thanks for all the love for adult beginners.
TwoSet: low self-esteem due to young prodigies
also TwoSet: low self-esteem due to adult beginners
jk HAHAHA
Secind guy has an advantage he is an asian so can learn all insturments in 1 week
me: low self-esteem because of all three of them
jk
haha
;-;
LING LING INSURANCE
Imo they're underrating themselves (prob for the jokes) but they're very good musicians
I can't speak for violin, but I feel that with piano progress videos like these, they can be misleading, because the case with a lot of self-taught people is that they pick a piece that is way too high a level for them, and then spend a year learning it, so in the progress video it makes them look like a god, but they don't actually have the skills needed to play other pieces at that level (obviously not speaking for all self-taught musicians here, just something I have observed over the years)
Yes I have that...major gaps in my piano knowledge and skills...one day I’ll go back to the beginning
agreed
Same with me and piano. We must remember that adults have backgrounds, different mindset, better cognitive function, concentration and motivation to learn than children. I have some musical education, I’ve learned to read notes before I’ve learned to read letters and I’ve been singing, tinkering with instruments, including piano, my whole life. But I still consider myself a beginner. So it’s much easier for me and others with similar backgrounds even we think nothing of it. I pick what I want to learn and spend time drilling it. So I may seem a better player than I am. I think adults have patience and fun drilling hard pieces, scales, exercises but little patience for easy stuff. I go through grade 1-3 books/etudes for sight reading and it makes me bored in 2 mins but I can drill small details of 8 notes for 20 min in a piece I’ve been playing for 6 months. Go figure. I think it’s ok to do it both (lots of easy pieces or one or two hard ones) ways as long as you are having fun. As adult beginners we don’t usually have plans to become professional musicians, we just play what and how we want to play :). Still, these videos show how much it’s possible to achieve if you go all in, even if with one piece.
That’s like me and guitar. I started just learning songs I like without learning the basics...or at least the basics needed for those songs. It looks impressive that I can play those songs, but I’m pretty much a beginner for everything else.
True, I'm self learner (guitar). I can play really hard and fast pieces, but sometimes I'm making terrible mistakes when I have to play something easy :-/
Best part is the guys flexing Monti's Czardas at the end.
After 3 weeks of violin, I yesterday discovered the vibrato on my own. It's so simple and easy, but if you force it it will be so hard. Let it come to you naturally and it will be the best.
You can 100% tell that she decided to learn violin because of Lindsey Stirling
Yes, for sure. Lindsey also inspired me :) I have been playing for 1 year and 8 months so far and vibrato is coming slowly :(
Yea I really was inspired by her to play violin because she sounded really beautiful, and she's still one of the main reasons I like the violin
@@ViolinMasterfrom0toaHero That's okay! It takes time. I've played for about 15 years now, and I can attest to vibrato being one of the hardest techniques to develop.
Violin Master don’t worry! For me, it took me over two years to develop my vibrato and I’m still improving it to this day!
tbh at the first glance i thought she was Lindsey Stirling
I am a 30-year-old beginner, I started learning violin since July, but now I cannot attend my classes because of covid quarantine in my region, I work (8.30 ~ 18.30) and I am studying a diploma (3hrs) among other activities (photography and poledancing) at the same time, so I don't have much time. However EVERY DAY I practice at least 1 hour and last month I have started to learn as a self-taught (by quarantine) and I also took a music theory course because I had never played an instrument in my life, now I feel really happy. Age doesn't matter at all. Your happiness is all that matters. 💕
Congratulations! Have a Good Luck in violin playing!
We can discuss self taught violining progress together... In a years time😁
@@shaunlulz Teachers from old sovietic school say like this even to 12 yeared pupils. I think it's not correct. If you wanna study something - age doesn't matter. Phrases "it's late for you to study" or "why you came here in your age?" are discriminative and toxic.
RESPECT
thank you for sharing Catalina! I love your story, and have been struggling with similar issues. but hearing this warms up my heart and inspires me not to give up!
12:42
Brett: Oh my god. It's hard to play without warming up.
Also Brett: *literally nailed it a second earlier*
Sure mate, whatever floats your boat.
Maybe he warmed up before turning on the cam
I am self taught also: and it’s incredibly funny to hear how you guys learned it in a professional manner because it’s so different. I did the same as the people in the videos. I just picked songs I wanted to play and jumped right into it and I learned while I played.
I am 50 years old, and I took up violin for the Pandemic. I'm four months into my instruction at this point. I screeched my way through the first weeks before making acceptable sounds. I appreciate your videos as supplemental to my instruction. Thank you.
Keep it up :D
Fun!!
Keep it up!! You can do it :D
Yes, if you enjoy it. Keep practicing. I quit after 10 years (age 55).
I am 54 getting ready to start classical violin lessons...we are never too to learn..I'm so excited for this journey
They're like
two proud dads
every beginning musician needs.
I just got a violin. And I am just starting at 28 years old. I always wanted to learn and it’s videos like this that inspired me to go for it.
I’m 28 and planning on picking it up myself this year. Good luck!
Same 29 and I finally bought a violin!
I'm 21 , same story, but this vids of these people is kinda getting me depressed
@@alexisevans1639 me too, I’m 17 and I’m leaving school and want to start but I can’t even read a music sheet I’m scared it would take me far too long
I’m looking to get one too ! Good luck !
I started learning violin when i was 11 and then I left it. Then i picked it up again at 17, and then left again due to my teacher being a little harsh (and me focusing on guitars). Now, after a music degree in guitar performance and 4 years of being a professional musicians, i'm turning 28 next Tuesday and I have restarted violin, again. This time no tutor like i had earlier (bc cant afford), but really hoping to pull it longer this time. Thank you for this video.
How’s it been going 5 months later??
That's so kind of you to ask. ❤️ I've actually gotten better! I am taking all the resources on the internet to get my technique and posture correct. Slowly corrected the way I sit (I play indian carnatic violin) and learnt to shift from first position to second position! There are still intonation issues but I'm now able to express melodic ideas! I'm so damn happy
I recently posted a song on my insta, finally after years, first violin video. I was very insecure before but now I think I'm able to make music happen. :') it's still going good! I sit with the violin at least half an hour a day!
@@ayanjoemusic that is so inspiring to hear. It sounds like you are truly motivated. I, too, am on a music journey in an effort to play the piano exceptionally. Had my first independent session yesterday and only practiced finger drills. I long for the day I can sit and play something truly therapeutic for myself and others. Hoping to take some classes, too, but that all financially depends. Anyway, I’m so glad for you. After watching a few “how to play violin” videos, I’ve grown a respect for those who’ve taken on the challenge. I’m sure you’re aware of Anne Sofie Mutter- she’s inspired me as well. On the off-change you haven’t heard of her, please look her up. She’s one of the best violinist in the world.
I wish you the best on your musical endeavor
Real Beginner adult here since January 2019. I’m learning with my daughter and I’m on Suzuki book 2 Minuet Boccherini. No vibrato yet. Still got my 1, 3, and 4 tapes. Excited to start Book 3!
Congratulations! Have a good luck in violin playing!
Awesome! Keep up the good work!
The majority of beginner players who quit, do so in the 4 book. When you get there, just keep pushing, it’ll pay off! Violin is a really wonderful instrument, and I hope you enjoy playing as much I do!
what sort of instruction are you guys getting?
Her after a year: 1 fine tuner
Me after a year: *So this is how 3rd position looks like! InTeReStInG*
Samee
Me after one year: still pizz and no Arco 😭
@Camillo Tejan True, but that means she can tune her violin herself AND play that good, and she's self taught too! I just let my instructor tune on every lesson and still miss the positioning lmao
Me after seven years: finally you teach me 3rd position, teacher!
Yeah, I know, seven years is really long, but
1. I didn't really practiced and
2. honestly I don't know. I had learned the complete first position fingering, quite some bowing techniques, and my intonation, dynamics, rhythm etc. was fine as well. After she finally taught me I began practicing several times a week (I didn't practice at all before, because I was depressed by learning nothing new. I couldn't see any progress wich made practicing discouraging), then Corona came wich made me practice almost everyday and then I discovered TwoSet wich let to me practicing an hour every day.
@Camillo Tejan If you are a beginner, you tend to use all metal strings because they keep the tuning and are easier to get sound from. For metal strings you use a fine tuner. When you play on gut strings (nowadays usually syntetic gut) a fine tuner is useless, you will have to turn it forever before anything happens. So lack of fine tuners means you use higher quality strings which sound better but are harder to play and you need to tune more often.
Those strings have metal wound around them, so they still look like metal. Naked natural gut is used for hardcore baroque period style playing..
"so what did you do for 2.5 years?"
"Eat. sleep. Play violin. Repeat."
and then become rich doing it. :)
thats is actually true though... like true for real
True lingling didn't even shit
I've been playing for almost 9 years and - HOW DID THEY LEARN SO FAST
*Confince drops cutely*
them: practice makes a huge difference
me: no, practicing CORRECTLY makes a huge difference
Even more precise: practicing with a plan and a method makes a huge difference. There are multiple correct ways
How do I know if i'm practicing correctly with a good method please
@@yasminehmam.1198 whenever you practice you can record it and then listen to it
@@yasminehmam.1198 Usually, what I do is make a list of two things I want to focus on (shedding spots, vibrato, intonation, bow technique) and then do my best to work those specifically. I know when I practice I'll say that I'm only going to work on bow tech but then I find so many other things to improve, but I try to rotate what I focus on each session so I get to everything. Hope that helps, it helps me stay focused.
Yea, but you have to practice to know how to practice correctly. No one just knows how to practice correctly right off the bat--that takes practice too. xD
The problem when you are self-taught (I am a self-taught guitarist) is that you don't learn everithing you should, and maybe the things you learn are not in the most convinient order. However maybe that's the reason why these two violinist had the chance to learn how to do vibrato in a short time.
👍
Exactly. You learn what you want to play the most and not what you should, so you end up missing vital information that is important to progress. This often goes for kids and adults...I noticed my son (who is a kid) loves math and loves to do it on his own, but he wants to skip the lessons that take him the longest (like long addition/subtraction) and have the most tedious steps.
@@sj4iy Thats why its good to take classes and then do whatever you want when you get home after a bit of practice. You get the best of both worlds.
@@dianeyoung8130 I think that doing/learning whatever it is that you enjoy about a given subject really helps to make the tedious stuff less painful too. You always have to be on the look out for bad habits when you do that though, the first way you learn is hard to break.
👍🏻 to that. I took a single high school piano class and i wanted to learn to play one song so my teacher tried to figure out how to teach it to me as a novice. Its now the only song i can play because I don’t own a piano and i was a high school senior XD so i can do some weird hand positions but i still have to count my notes from middle c XD
"He's ready for weddings.", lmao.
It truly is impressive what regular practice can do. I witnessed it myself when my friend started playing classical guitar. He would practice like 4-6 hours a day and he could play some impressive stuff within a few months.
Its 12:30 am here
*twosetviolin uploaded*
Me: SLEEP IS FOR THE WEAK
Ikr- I waited for them to upload. NO SLEEP FOR NOW
R U ASIANNN ???
IKRRR
btw I'm Malaysian
Sameee. Hello from the Philippines!
As a self-taught cello player, it's very satisfying to see other self-taught adult beginners progress to more advanced techniques through hard work and practice..
I have this on my mind too, I adore the cello. Any tips for getting started plsss?
@@ancapatrascu1545 Buy a cello
@@rykehuss3435 and start practicing
I highly doubt it as self teaching is impossible unless you're a prodigy which is rare and never goes this well.
Stop it I’m running out of excuses for why I play terribly 😂
the amount of reliability in this comment... i can't
Just blame the instrument... 👀
hahhaa I can relate
Bob Da Thang that’s what i do LMFAOOO my parents even bought me a new viola cuz i kept complaining that my old one was why it sounded bad.... i still sound bad LOLOLOL
Excuses are bad for progression. Good life lesson I would say.
Only the patience & dedication in the early days can lead you to the rewards. I started 4 years ago when I was 8 and see where I am now!
Great to see where u started & how awesome u are now. Great job!
Two set: Vibrato is hard. Every Guitarist: Starts chuckling menacingly.
I was like "really? it seems easier than being perfectly in pitch"
I found this funny cause i looked at my guitar when they said that
*Pulls out slide*
*laughs in pianist*
Try vibrato with just your pinky while holding down a chord on the other five strings XD Lol what is this metal?
I can relate to this, the first time I picked a violin was at 34 years old. Now, two years later, I am getting pretty decent. I've been having regular classes with a teacher and I also managed to transfer a lot of left hand dexterity and technique from my 15 years experience of playing classical guitar. But my bow hand is still trash and I am working really hard to improve it. Learning the violin was one of the best experiences in my life, violin is such a hard and rewarding instrument at the same time.
I’m 30 and I just started learning a year ago and I absolutely understand what you mean about the bow hand. I can pizzicato a song no problem but once the bow is involved it’s kinda like a train wreck
I picked up my great great grandfather’s violin at age 33 and with a really fine teacher and no talent whatsoever, her first day sounded much like my one year improvement. But 39 years later I’ve graduated to her one year proficiency.
Respect to older folk who learn new instrument
Same as you, I started to learn violin self-taught at 31, after a few months I was able to play some pieces partially decent, also because of playing classical guitar since age 18. After a few years I stopped playing violin and guitar because of lack of time, kids, etc. Then my son got interested in learning, so I took him to classes, then I learned some basic technique from his teacher. It is always much easier to learn an instrument if you already know how to play another. Now, much older, I started learning electric guitar self-taught too. And I restarted playing piano, and started composing. But I quit the violin, maybe one of these days....
good for you mate
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Don't mind me, it's just a random "I'm in love with Brett" reminder.
I logged in just to like your comment 😂
@@ihatemylifebutseeyounextti7233 Wow, I'm honoured! ❤
Yeah he really did that 😭👏
I'm in love with his talent.
I want the same.
Ah, watching them watching her play and progress is so unbelievably encouraging, and exciting in a weird way! Please do more videos like this! I want to learn an instrument and have someone be this excited at my progress!
I've found that adult beginners (at least in dance, likely similar for music as well) pick things up faster because they have coordination built up that can translate to other things more easily.
Like, with little kids, they start with the same basics, but might not be able to control their body in the necessary ways, meaning it takes them longer to move up levels. They are building coordination as they learn, which might mean they can go a little further in their chosen art because their coordination is built around their art.
Adult learners build their art around their coordination, so they can fly by the basics (it's often the simple stuff like {again, dance} step touches, where your arms go, etc. Takes little kids a while, adults can do it in their sleep), but it might take a while for adults to reach their desired level.
Adults learn faster, but it's harder for them to master the instrument.
Kids learn slower, but when they're adults that instrument is just ingrained into their blood.
ur too nerdy
Also keep in mind that music is a language and your ability to distinguish between notes and accents greatly diminishes after childhood.
So while you can still master an instrument, it'll be almost impossible to master certain things like perfect pitch because of an adult brain being less malleable when learning sounds than a developing child's brain. So learning perfect pitch or certain accents of different language is something that is best learned early. Studies even show that children that grew up with very accent heavy languages such as Mandarin or Vietnamese are better at distinguishing between notes than others with less tonal languages.
@@eternalheartless With that in mind, do you think bilinguals might have a tiny bit of an edge when it comes to learning perfect pitch?
Sure. It's especially true if there is a basic understanding of rhythm there already from something else like dancing. The really crazy thing to see is how fast experienced musicians can pick up completely new instruments. I'm talking like piano to trombone or something with a wide gulf between on physical technique.
Me: has been playing viola for 2 years
The first vid: haha self-esteem go burr
Guitar for 10 and I’ve got friends who have learned by themselves for 2 years and can pull off a solo while I try to somehow figure out the scale and chord progressions
Remember - viola is harder to play than violin.
Who is viola
Meanwhile me, who has been playing for three years: 👁👄👁 ʰᵒʷ ᵛᶦᵇʳᵃᵗᵒ
THAT IS LITERALLY ME LIKE EXACTLY
My teacher made me do the stuffed animal trick. Like get a small hand size stuffed animal and hold it up in your left hand to make sure your wrist stays straight and doesn't bend. And then slowly practice going back in forth with your finger. This took me a few weeks but it really helped to get the correct movement down.
@@carsonbarnesharp I've been playing for almost 19 years and I still feel worse than them...
Have you considered learning bass?
@@NPC-rq6vn Oh burn
I CRACKED WHEN EDDY SAID "SHE WENT TO THE DARK SIDE" AT 3:56 lol and them staring at each other before that
Imagine being one of Eddy's student and you know you're that person he is attacking.
here we have the edd's student
@@fabiog801 oh?!
@@rae_halvi6392 nono, i was talkng about just_a_lost_fangirl. maybe she is eddy's student.
@@fabiog801 ohhh lmao
@@fabiog801 lol no😂😂. I live in the Philippines and I haven't went anywhere outside my country so it would be impossible to be his student, tho I would like to learn violin one day.😂😂
Well, when i was a kid i felt in love with violin but my parents could not afford the cost. I'm over 30 years old now and since a few months i'm saving money so i could buy a violon and start lessons in 2021. I'm not planning to be a pro or a LingLing (with all respect i have for them). Also i listen classical music almost every day and by practicing the violin i hope i'll have some new perspective of what i'm hearing. Thanks for this video, thanks to people sharing their progress, this is very inspiring ! Cheers from France ! Love your channel !
Good luck! Glad you get to fulfill your childhood dreams.
Good luck on your journey! Have you considered renting a violin? Many luthiers will substract the overall amount you paid while renting when making a purchase.
@@hihey229 thanks for the tip!
Glad for you! Enjoy^^
So happy for you. Good luck!
Well, maybe they first learnt different instrument, then they didn't "waste" time to learn how to read music, etc.
I play piano since I was 6yo, and now, as an adult, I started learning violin and flute and it's totally different experience. You know how intervals works, how this piece should sound and learning goes faster (especially if your "music friends" sometimes borrowed you their instruments and showed you how to play them). The only difficult thing is, of course, the proper technique.
The woman said she had never learned an instrument before.
@@M_SC oh okey, that's sooo impressive!
I started on the piano too and was wondering 2 years ago if I should pick up violin or flute :D
@@perryschnabel In my opinion flute is easier, but why not to try both? :D
@@wiktoriajanecka675 Money and time. I'm a poor and exhausted uni student :D
I picked violin and I am happy with that decision although I still like to listen to flute.
I am an adult beginner (50+ years of guitar though) and you guys inspire me.
I had been playing mostly mountain fiddle tunes and old times stuff but you turned me on to Paganiniana, a small (and easier) part of which I picked up on and it fascinates me. I’m improvising stuff starting from that.
I hope Ling Ling will not be displeased with such a sacrilege, but like Olaf says, I’m having fun!
Wee!!!
Twoset: We're professional violinists
Also Twoset: We're living our humble life with bubble tea.
Funny story about how not to learn the violin: I picked up the violin again when I was 15 (had tried having my sister teach me a few times when I was younger), and decided to learn Spring by Vivaldi since, well... spring is primavera, which is related to the word "first"... it was very logical in my head, anyway. My sister was learning the cello (we were both self-teaching), so we attempted a duet. What resulted was not Spring. It sounded like all the seasons thrown into a blender and then played by a viola. Thankfully I got a clue and took it down a notch to folk songs, and now I am happily learning under an actual teacher a year and a half later.
The moral: if you want to learn to play an instrument, don't be afraid to begin at the beginning. You'll need a solid foundation if you want to learn to play harder pieces well. NOW GO PRACTICE.
LOL "and then played by a viola" 😁
Wise words, simple pieces are beautiful too!
i don’t know why but this was worded very well, you should be a writer!
@@amari6229 Awww, thanks! I really enjoy writing, especially when the content makes me laugh. :)
Brett and Eddy watching celebrities: SACRILEGIOUS!!! LAMENTABLE!!! LING LING IS DISGUSTED WITH YOU!!!
Brett and Eddy watching normal (not-famous) people: Aw, not bad for three weeks. Good job!
It’s because of the narrative that the other people set up
I know I'm 2 years late but tbh you guys make me feel like it's never too late. I gave up playing violin as a tween almost specifically cause my mom got me a cheap ass violin that wouldn't tune for the life of me, financial issues and a lot more drama. I forgot how to correctly read sheet music and everything but, watching these videos made me feel inspired and the way I did the first ever time I picked up a violin. You can be an adult prodigy and I love the thought of it, feeling a violin that I can choose for myself within my hands and play so many wonderful sounds and symphonies. It makes me want to see what I can achieve.
alternative title: Brett and Eddy have their self-esteem destroyed in 13 minutes
Brett flexing at the end: Looks like he's having the time of his life just playing.
Am i the only who is curious to find out how Brett and Eddy would teach violin?
No, it would be interesting.
I somehow imagine they would be shouting things like "Ling Ling practices 40 hours a day, lah! Why don't you pracitce, lah?!" at you all the time... :O
They have a video called "Teaching strangers how to play violin in 5 minutes" where they do exactly that, though of course on a bit of a tight schedule. Also Eddy has his own youtube channel (named Eddy Chen) where he has lots of really good serious videos on various topics in violin playing, and that I really wish he'd start uploading to again.
Actually, Eddy has a separate channel where he teaches violin seriously.
they actually uploaded a video the other day teaching violin blindfolded
ua-cam.com/video/KiLYZ8sGQgk/v-deo.html
You can tell when she got super inspired by Lindsey Stirling. Changed the violin, hair, started learning her songs too. I mean...kinda looked her as well.
Me, watching, who’s never touched a violin: 👁👄👁
Get one! Its so much fun!!!
@@danniemariana3749 I really want to, but I dont have anyone to teach me
@@beanie8218 research different apps. For like $10 a month they will give you lessons. And here on youtube you can learn so many new things. I have a church buddy who is learning this way. And im brushing up on my violin playing after stopping for a few years.
@@danniemariana3749 Okay thank youuuu
@@danniemariana3749 Should I buy a violin from amazon?
me: *picked up a violin for literally the first time in my life yesterday*
me after 2 hours: welp i can't do vibrato guess i'm not meant for violin
update: i can play twinkle twinkle little star
@@imnotokayipromise5940 yay! How long did it take you to learn twinkle twinkle little star? And when did you start the violin?
DUDE!! same here. at the age of 43, i jsut rented a violin to learn on. cant even hold the bow. i'll never be Ling Ling
@@imnotokayipromise5940 that’s good now practice 😡😡 jkjk
Imagine where you would be if you start now😐💅
This really motivates me. I started violin when I was 10 years old, it was a project at school. I'm now 16 years old. People often tell me that I started too late and stuff but I think the most important thing is that I love playing the violin and I'm doing this for myself and not because my parents want me to. I'm learning vivaldis winter right now and I'm so happy that I got so far and that I never gave up.
Keep going you've got this! I really want learn vivaldi winter aswell it's an awesome piece good luck with it!
I am also 16 and learning violin, hope we do good :]
I love everything about your story!! I started violin when I was 6, and everyone told me during my whole career that I couldn't be a professional cuz I started too late. But intention truly means as much as age. I loved it, and especially orchestra/band jam sessions. I still play violin/fiddle with my husband (guitar) and my son loves it when we jam together. I might not be a professional, but it still brings so much light and joy into my family routine. It has worth, intrinsically
Me starting at 11:
Groans in old
@@ValiantVicuna ‘too late’ at 6?? damn
Honestly, seeing these newbies get to decent players in just 2 years gives me hope. Now, I just have to practice 40 hours a day and I too might succeed as they have.