i tend to run the bass through a gate, then into guitar rig where i split the signal. one of them has a heavy scoop on the EQ and is then compressed and DI'd. the other is just the mid frequencies i cut from the other going through a distortion unit on full, a fairly "metal" head, and a 4x12 cab. mix them in guitar rig until i like it, then logic's built in EQ to even out any unwanted frequencies and roll off below 100Hz (i generally like the kick to be lower than the bass guitar and i find it adds more clarity with the heavy distortion), and finally compress it with a very slow attack, a quick release, a fairly high ratio, and the threshold set wherever it needs to be to make the sound more consistent the distorted midrange really allows the bass to almost fuse with the guitars and make a huge wall where the clean low end and high end give it the deep bottom and click-y top i love in a metal tone. it's like korn meets muse
Studio one's Splitter function is amazing for bass. Similar to patchwork or metaplugin where you can run parallel chains from a single channel. I've tried the Sub/Upper Bass/Attack separation method, but my favorite to get solid bottom end from a sloppy performance is to keep one track really pretty dry, low pass it at about 300hz, and hi-pass at about 100hz. Apply some LA-2A or something nice and gentle, and then a bunch of saturation to even out/distort the filtered signal, then use a sub-octave generator like bx_sub/aphex big bottom/Rbass, etc to get a really LOW bass sound without dealing with the problems that frequently pop up in the sub lows with cheap instruments or bad playing. I find it much easier to control the energy in the upper bass (90-200ish) and generate a low octave from that, rather than trying to use a multiband compressor to control the low end.. maybe its the way the crossovers work in a multiband, but it always think it sounds better to take my Frankenstein ultra low-end track and blend it in with a distorted (mostly) full range track. Then compress the hell out of the whole thing.
Probably my favorite current producer/engineer on the planet. If I could have anyone mix my EP or album, it would without a doubt be Nolly. Super cool to get some insight into how he mixes for the rest of us.
Really funny just recently I decided to try the Fabfilter Saturn on my bass guitar plugin chain randomly trying to get a more overdriven tone, it just seemed like it worked really well, cool to see that it's being used by someone like Nolly, although I wasn't aware of the plugins ability to be multi band, so that's helped me out alot with dialing in the right sound. Thank you :)
That's generally a good thing, so there is more room for the kick. You only want to get a little sub bass back as he showed right at the end of the video.
ive been looking for a plugin like that fab filter one for a while. always have been a fan of doing specific processing on bass to certain areas of the frequency range without having to split off into a bunch of tracks.
I couldn't believe when I heard Nolly say he likes the Redwirez SVT mic'ed up with the MD421. Without prior knowledge or EVER seeing this video before, I am also using the Redwirez "SVT810-421-CapEdge-5in.wav" in nearly all of my compositions.
So sick ! I've acually bought this nail the mix session and I still think the Bass Amp track is far superior. I wish he could re create it on camera for all of us 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Love Nolly but don't understand why he'd cut the sub low just to add it back in artificially via Waves R-Bass. I'm sure he has a reason, but that move just confused me. Someone help me understand?
I need help! I feel like I’m either having to cut too many lows of the bass or too much. As soon as I get to b and below it seems like a lot less low end is necessary.
Sweet tips! Am I right in saying that this is just for creating the bass tone,would further processing then have to be done to mix it? Or is this pretty much "mix ready"?
I would think after making the basic tone you then add the bass track into the mix balancing volume and further eq’ing. Making sure this doesn’t clash with the kick or guitars Adding a side chain with the kick is my favorite secret sauce
Awesome video! Will this whole masterclass be available to subscribers for the foreseeable future? Cannie afford it at the moment but hopefully by the end of the year.
the thing with live is that the PA and room are always too crap to be able to really hear any nuance. So a distorted bass is just a distorted bass, no matter which boutique distortion you use. Anything will work as long as it sounds a bit passable and it will do the trick. Live, no-one cares except you as a musician… No-one else will hear it.
Some people I know load the sounds into Kemper Profilers and use those instead of regular amp-heads. But santibanks is right. The subtleties are usually gone in a live room.
Anyone have a similar patch for axe fx 3? I'm trying to make one,..don't have the saturn plugin, but I feel like the ax fx 3 has the guts to get this sound...just have to have 2 tracks......there's no 8 x 10 svt cab ir built in to the axe fx3....I might have to throw down for that...but would rather not if I don't have to!!...
Not sure if it's my headphones or my hearing is just very very bad, cause' I can't tell a difference between those bass settings in the beginning of video.
Don't forget you're listening to audio that was encoded for a video file, and then re-encoded by UA-cam. There's a lot of data loss and the sound you're hearing is far from what Nolly's hearing as he's mixing this.
Does anybody know any plugins that are either free or logic stock that can have the same functionality as the fabfilter saturn? I really prefer to not split the bass tone for distortion onto another track.
@@DavidWoodMusic i can bet you my left nut that if you gave Nolly the $150 bass and he gave you the dingwall he'd still get a 10x better tone. Gear does matter, but not nearly as much as skill
@@DavidWoodMusic alr then, once you get a dingwall please shoot me a recording and we'll see if you can nail Nolly's tone just by paying money, I'm waiting :)
It's the best for every kind of person who wants to record. Dosen't matter wether you're a beginner or professional musician. It's just 200 bucks and for that, it's amazing. But only available on Mac OS as far as I know. If you haven't got 200 bucks, try Reaper. It's trial version is basically never ending and you can do alot of cool stuff with it. But the stock plug ins aren't that good, so you'd need to find some good plug ins. (The plug ins that Nolly uses in this video are pretty high end and tend to get very expensive)
If you have a mac, start with garageband and work your way up. Recording is super overwhelming at first, you want something simple so you can learn as you go while still putting most of your energy into creating music. Logic is more or less the same layout as Garageband, just with much more features. I think that's the best way to approach anything audio related, use what you have/a minimal set up and only upgrade/buy new gear when you need it to take that next step. People get way too focused on XYZ piece of gear and what's "best." If you don't know you're doing, it won't matter if you have Logic, Pro tools, etc. Master what you have, then move on. Logic is awesome though, it's a steal for 200.
Logic is the best, if you own an Apple Computer. It’s one of the cheapest daws, and it has all the features. I use Cubase, because imo it has the best MIDI drum editor (even Nolly thinks so)... and I don’t have a Mac. So look around and see which DAW suits you best! Logic and Cubase are both awesome.
rbass is not generating a sub-low content, its generating upper harmonics so the bass kinda appears more prominent in the mids. so nolly you never had anything below 50hz and the rbass never fixed that
Hi guys! I really enjoy your channel. Thank you for your content! That being said, though I respect what your doing to the bass track, the original track does not sound good. The original track has no bottom end at all. Mostly mids and highs. It doesn’t sound like a bass. The source has to sound like what it is. One shouldn’t rely on a DAW to fix everything. I’m sorry, it sounds too clangy. I’ve been playing bass for 40 years and have been recording my bass for 30+ years. You must have a good source. I play with my fingers but I record with a pick as it gives me better attack with the bass pickup all the way up and the bridge pickup dialed in to get just the right amount of high end definition. These days, I get great results just by dialing in my sound with a Sansamp bass driver DI with an MXR compressor in front of it. Very little overdrive. If I use distortion, I just pull out a bass big muff pi. Once I have the sound I like, then I record. Much less work and headaches to worry about later. But it has to start at the source. People are relying on far too many tools nowadays but not always get good results. I in no way mean any disrespect. It’s just my observation as a bass player. I in no way am imposing my technique on anyone. It’s just the way I’ve always done it and it works for me. Thank you!😊🙏
The bottom end is definitely there, he doesn't add very much, but because it's played with a pick it's not nearly as low and blooming like you would with your fingers. The attack and clanginess and mids/highs is integral and the bass sound of modern metal music. Your sound isn't wrong or worse, I play plenty of fingerstyle and big blooming full DI sound that you're describing. But for aggressive, throaty, distorted bass that cuts through the mix and combines with the guitar, this source (specifically the Dingwall basses) are the best for this sound. If you used that sound and DI for this music, you would just get a sine-wavey sounding bass underneath the guitars. The intention IS to be like a distorted guitar, just the octave below, with all the midrange attack and distortion. He's not relying on the DAW and plugins to "fix" the DI tone into the mix, he's deliberately crafting something entirely new from that source.
just use any metal guitar amp with v30 sm57 IR and you're all set (like most of us did with guitar tones), the guy at circle of tone did that for quite a while, which Glenn responded by doing so
More time spent screwing with the fake tones,than makein g great music ...breakdown some of the great songs track by track and they don't sound great,but all together there fine .shows all the engineering is not so necessary..plus it ruins the live concert experience.trying to play live ,what was recorded in studio......not gonna happen
are you lost? aren't you supposed to go to Circle of Tone? then stop using any of these modern techs and record with your old school tape deck and mix with those big ass SSL console that can consume like 1kW+, if you can afford it ofc
Guys a question. What was Nollys first band? . It was an English band, I remember I have seen a video of them playing in a rehearsal place and it sounded awesome. It was different from Periphery, more on the hard core side of things. I can't remember their name so unfortunately I can't find the band. It was possible something with a word red or at least an r in their name if that helps 😂😂🙏
What's your best trick for mixing bass guitar??
Eating ass daily
i tend to run the bass through a gate, then into guitar rig where i split the signal. one of them has a heavy scoop on the EQ and is then compressed and DI'd. the other is just the mid frequencies i cut from the other going through a distortion unit on full, a fairly "metal" head, and a 4x12 cab. mix them in guitar rig until i like it, then logic's built in EQ to even out any unwanted frequencies and roll off below 100Hz (i generally like the kick to be lower than the bass guitar and i find it adds more clarity with the heavy distortion), and finally compress it with a very slow attack, a quick release, a fairly high ratio, and the threshold set wherever it needs to be to make the sound more consistent
the distorted midrange really allows the bass to almost fuse with the guitars and make a huge wall where the clean low end and high end give it the deep bottom and click-y top i love in a metal tone. it's like korn meets muse
Copying Nolly.
Studio one's Splitter function is amazing for bass. Similar to patchwork or metaplugin where you can run parallel chains from a single channel. I've tried the Sub/Upper Bass/Attack separation method, but my favorite to get solid bottom end from a sloppy performance is to keep one track really pretty dry, low pass it at about 300hz, and hi-pass at about 100hz. Apply some LA-2A or something nice and gentle, and then a bunch of saturation to even out/distort the filtered signal, then use a sub-octave generator like bx_sub/aphex big bottom/Rbass, etc to get a really LOW bass sound without dealing with the problems that frequently pop up in the sub lows with cheap instruments or bad playing. I find it much easier to control the energy in the upper bass (90-200ish) and generate a low octave from that, rather than trying to use a multiband compressor to control the low end.. maybe its the way the crossovers work in a multiband, but it always think it sounds better to take my Frankenstein ultra low-end track and blend it in with a distorted (mostly) full range track. Then compress the hell out of the whole thing.
I aggressively boost 4kHz going in.
Yes, I'm ready for everyone to bite my head off.
So that's pretty cool.
Tour with Periphery again. Please. I missed you.
agree
Nolly is bass king
sponce
That's a matter of opinion :p
One of many bass kings
I'd say he's bass prince to Jon Stockman
Probably my favorite current producer/engineer on the planet. If I could have anyone mix my EP or album, it would without a doubt be Nolly. Super cool to get some insight into how he mixes for the rest of us.
Really funny just recently I decided to try the Fabfilter Saturn on my bass guitar plugin chain randomly trying to get a more overdriven tone, it just seemed like it worked really well, cool to see that it's being used by someone like Nolly, although I wasn't aware of the plugins ability to be multi band, so that's helped me out alot with dialing in the right sound. Thank you :)
6:03 "even when it sounds nasty and disgusting it sounds amazing"
*8-bit noise*
"not that though"
hahahaha I laughed so hard xD
At 9:12 Nolly made the first 3 notes of the Doctor Who theme with just EQ moves.
lmao.
There needs to be a distortion pedal that will only distort the selected freq. THAT would sell like hotcakes.
Russ Wilson it’s called the Darkglass Microtubes X and X7
Source Audio Aftershock does that too with some tweaking through USB.
Microtubes X
And now you also got the Parallex plug-in.
Even the B7K has an option to cut the distortion on the low end
3:17 yeah nolly we know you're a god
I love hearing Nolly talk
6 years late, but this is actually logic pro, not cubase haha :) Great video guys and I just love Nolly
That cab IR causes that drop off in the low end. I ran through this on my end and discovered the same. Everything came back when I bypassed the IR
That's generally a good thing, so there is more room for the kick. You only want to get a little sub bass back as he showed right at the end of the video.
I love Nolly's sweater. It's adorable.
Nolly's shirt looks dope tho... so does the bass sound..damn
nicklas1206 I thought the shirt looked pretty gay.
I’m back again for like the thousandth time
Same here
that was awesomee dude, thanks for sharing!
Aha Nolly doesn't like Misha's place for recording ;)
he kept complaining about the acoustics haha
Fab Filter Total Plug in bundle is 1k. Fuuuuck :( So expensive. But so amazing .
9:20 Eq the ring freq like a boss ...
"Bass Amp NTM WINGING IT" lol'd. Nolly, you're the man
ive been looking for a plugin like that fab filter one for a while. always have been a fan of doing specific processing on bass to certain areas of the frequency range without having to split off into a bunch of tracks.
I couldn't believe when I heard Nolly say he likes the Redwirez SVT mic'ed up with the MD421.
Without prior knowledge or EVER seeing this video before, I am also using the Redwirez "SVT810-421-CapEdge-5in.wav" in nearly all of my compositions.
Lmao so glad that im not the only one who like to slap those magical saturn on my bass xD
So sick ! I've acually bought this nail the mix session and I still think the Bass Amp track is far superior.
I wish he could re create it on camera for all of us 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Amazing tone...
Thanks for sharing this!
That was great! Thanks!
Thanks Nolls
WOW! THAT WAS HELPFUL!
Thanks a ton Nolly!
nolly is the ceo of bass
0:15 Hey VSauce! Michael here!
Love Nolly but don't understand why he'd cut the sub low just to add it back in artificially via Waves R-Bass.
I'm sure he has a reason, but that move just confused me. Someone help me understand?
Love me some Nolly 🤓
super helpful. thank you!
After the cab sim, are those three pedals all eqs?
I need help! I feel like I’m either having to cut too many lows of the bass or too much. As soon as I get to b and below it seems like a lot less low end is necessary.
Sweet tips! Am I right in saying that this is just for creating the bass tone,would further processing then have to be done to mix it? Or is this pretty much "mix ready"?
I would think after making the basic tone you then add the bass track into the mix balancing volume and further eq’ing.
Making sure this doesn’t clash with the kick or guitars
Adding a side chain with the kick is my favorite secret sauce
Hey boys, the description says Cubase but it's Logic X
I need a dingwall .. bad
This is all pretty cool.
hey vsauce michael here
XD
so original.....
I laughed out loud on this for real!
One does not simply: using a touch pad while mixing/dialing
Awesome video! Will this whole masterclass be available to subscribers for the foreseeable future? Cannie afford it at the moment but hopefully by the end of the year.
If you subscribe there's a link where you can purchase this one individually.
I've been subscribed for a little while now, but can't seem to find anything to purchase this one separately?
Look under "Previous Stems"
Which DI was this recorded with?
Narrow in on that space in the mix. Darkglass
how do bands recreate sounds done with plugins in the studio live?
the thing with live is that the PA and room are always too crap to be able to really hear any nuance. So a distorted bass is just a distorted bass, no matter which boutique distortion you use. Anything will work as long as it sounds a bit passable and it will do the trick. Live, no-one cares except you as a musician… No-one else will hear it.
Some people I know load the sounds into Kemper Profilers and use those instead of regular amp-heads. But santibanks is right. The subtleties are usually gone in a live room.
I like Nolly's Pajama top
A trve master at work
Don.t Forget the Fabfilter Pro Q2
will I be able to view Nolly's full mixing session anytime if I join Nail the Mix? Really interested in joining.
Yes, if you subscribe there's a link where you can purchase the full session
Yes. We only sell our past episodes to subscribers at this point.
$24.99 and that includes all the multi-tracks, the full live stream, and the 90 minute QNA chat.
Massive!!!
Guys class! BUT please listen to the mix
Put a bird on it!
how is this di so punchy? any advice would be much appreciated
a decent Bass, DI box and player. I've seen Nolly using Radial J48s quite a while
Anyone know what headphone he is using?
Anyone have a similar patch for axe fx 3? I'm trying to make one,..don't have the saturn plugin, but I feel like the ax fx 3 has the guts to get this sound...just have to have 2 tracks......there's no 8 x 10 svt cab ir built in to the axe fx3....I might have to throw down for that...but would rather not if I don't have to!!...
Not sure if it's my headphones or my hearing is just very very bad, cause' I can't tell a difference between those bass settings in the beginning of video.
Don't forget you're listening to audio that was encoded for a video file, and then re-encoded by UA-cam. There's a lot of data loss and the sound you're hearing is far from what Nolly's hearing as he's mixing this.
Is Nolly's Sweater PRS reference?
Does anybody know any plugins that are either free or logic stock that can have the same functionality as the fabfilter saturn? I really prefer to not split the bass tone for distortion onto another track.
All you need to get Nolly tone is a $1500 bass and another $1500 in plugins! Not surprising when it sounds that fat and clear. killer tone
That's why I laugh when people say gear doesn't matter.
A Dingwall with always sound better than a crappy $150 WalMart bass.
@@DavidWoodMusic i can bet you my left nut that if you gave Nolly the $150 bass and he gave you the dingwall he'd still get a 10x better tone. Gear does matter, but not nearly as much as skill
@@prckotrtic6253 nope
@@DavidWoodMusic alr then, once you get a dingwall please shoot me a recording and we'll see if you can nail Nolly's tone just by paying money, I'm waiting :)
how do you make those tracks per group in logic?
Hey vsauce Michael here!
Does he play with a pick or his fingers
With a pick. Orange Dunlop tortex 0.60mm picks, specifically. Heard him say that in some rig rundown.
Does anybody know what headphones is Nolly using here?
Andrés Ramirez maybe a sennheiser hd650
What Headphone is he using? Sennheiser HD ***?? Thanks! :D
HD 650?
Yep, wearing the same right now, amazing cans.
Which song does that bass track go to? It's driving me crazy that I can't place it.
Michael Blatter it might be Motormouth
It's Prayer Position.
say, i dont know much about that daw, but did he print the bass tone in stereo ? why ?
Logic defaults to print in stereo.
@@countingcontrol512 I see, thanks
where can i get those IRs?
redwirez.com
the bold dude with headphones looks like Vsauce
What daw is he using?
Brad Welton Logic Pro X
Anyone know what bass he used for these?
I'm pretty sure it's his signature bass by dingwall
Shubhankar Kulkarni cool, thanks.
It sounds pretty punchy and thick.
Is Logic a good DAW for beginners?
It's the best for every kind of person who wants to record. Dosen't matter wether you're a beginner or professional musician. It's just 200 bucks and for that, it's amazing. But only available on Mac OS as far as I know. If you haven't got 200 bucks, try Reaper. It's trial version is basically never ending and you can do alot of cool stuff with it. But the stock plug ins aren't that good, so you'd need to find some good plug ins. (The plug ins that Nolly uses in this video are pretty high end and tend to get very expensive)
There is no "best" DAW
If you have a mac, start with garageband and work your way up. Recording is super overwhelming at first, you want something simple so you can learn as you go while still putting most of your energy into creating music. Logic is more or less the same layout as Garageband, just with much more features.
I think that's the best way to approach anything audio related, use what you have/a minimal set up and only upgrade/buy new gear when you need it to take that next step. People get way too focused on XYZ piece of gear and what's "best." If you don't know you're doing, it won't matter if you have Logic, Pro tools, etc. Master what you have, then move on.
Logic is awesome though, it's a steal for 200.
Logic is the best, if you own an Apple Computer. It’s one of the cheapest daws, and it has all the features.
I use Cubase, because imo it has the best MIDI drum editor (even Nolly thinks so)... and I don’t have a Mac. So look around and see which DAW suits you best! Logic and Cubase are both awesome.
Golly
nolly is god
rbass is not generating a sub-low content, its generating upper harmonics so the bass kinda appears more prominent in the mids. so nolly you never had anything below 50hz and the rbass never fixed that
rbass creates harmonics at the frequency that you chose, and you can clearly hear the difference in the sub 60hz area when it is turned on and off.
another expert
Hi guys! I really enjoy your channel. Thank you for your content! That being said, though I respect what your doing to the bass track, the original track does not sound good. The original track has no bottom end at all. Mostly mids and highs. It doesn’t sound like a bass. The source has to sound like what it is. One shouldn’t rely on a DAW to fix everything. I’m sorry, it sounds too clangy. I’ve been playing bass for 40 years and have been recording my bass for 30+ years. You must have a good source. I play with my fingers but I record with a pick as it gives me better attack with the bass pickup all the way up and the bridge pickup dialed in to get just the right amount of high end definition. These days, I get great results just by dialing in my sound with a Sansamp bass driver DI with an MXR compressor in front of it. Very little overdrive. If I use distortion, I just pull out a bass big muff pi. Once I have the sound I like, then I record. Much less work and headaches to worry about later. But it has to start at the source. People are relying on far too many tools nowadays but not always get good results. I in no way mean any disrespect. It’s just my observation as a bass player.
I in no way am imposing my technique on anyone. It’s just the way I’ve always done it and it works for me. Thank you!😊🙏
The bottom end is definitely there, he doesn't add very much, but because it's played with a pick it's not nearly as low and blooming like you would with your fingers. The attack and clanginess and mids/highs is integral and the bass sound of modern metal music. Your sound isn't wrong or worse, I play plenty of fingerstyle and big blooming full DI sound that you're describing. But for aggressive, throaty, distorted bass that cuts through the mix and combines with the guitar, this source (specifically the Dingwall basses) are the best for this sound. If you used that sound and DI for this music, you would just get a sine-wavey sounding bass underneath the guitars. The intention IS to be like a distorted guitar, just the octave below, with all the midrange attack and distortion. He's not relying on the DAW and plugins to "fix" the DI tone into the mix, he's deliberately crafting something entirely new from that source.
get Vsauce on the show bro
It sounds like it was recorded with a Fender Jazz Bass or something like that. It sounds nothing like his Dingwall
Please move your coffee......
"lets just throw another $5,000 EQ on this"
me: ok that's enough. *turns off video*
Christ , you need to be a sound engineer to record a bass track now.
I personally HATE ALL THE FAKE SOUNDS USED TODAY ,,,,,IT DOESN'T ADD ,IT KILLS THE ORIGINAL SOUND
cry about it
Once again, way too much processing. The less plug ins, the better the mix.
just use any metal guitar amp with v30 sm57 IR and you're all set (like most of us did with guitar tones), the guy at circle of tone did that for quite a while, which Glenn responded by doing so
cringe
cry
More time spent screwing with the fake tones,than makein g great music ...breakdown some of the great songs track by track and they don't sound great,but all together there fine .shows all the engineering is not so necessary..plus it ruins the live concert experience.trying to play live ,what was recorded in studio......not gonna happen
If you cant do it live, don't do it at all does not apply here.
Today's music is way over enginered with computers,you loose something ,by adding all the fake tones ...
are you lost? aren't you supposed to go to Circle of Tone?
then stop using any of these modern techs and record with your old school tape deck and mix with those big ass SSL console that can consume like 1kW+, if you can afford it ofc
Take a shot every time he say "cool"
People will die
Raymond Cortez cool
That sounded fricking massive 'so thats pretty cool' XD
Nolly predicted trash doves.
WOW he had a trash dove pullover before trash dove was cool
This is insane what the hell dude is literally doing adjustments on things i cant even hear yet it just sounds amazing
that Dingwall grind is really something. No wonder why djent kids and even renowned bass players are getting those.
Meanwhile my measly laptop probably couldn't even run two of these plugins at once.
This was awesome! His techniques are great, and this turned me on to the FabFilter Saturn! Stoked on it. Thanks!
Guys a question. What was Nollys first band? . It was an English band, I remember I have seen a video of them playing in a rehearsal place and it sounded awesome. It was different from Periphery, more on the hard core side of things. I can't remember their name so unfortunately I can't find the band. It was possible something with a word red or at least an r in their name if that helps 😂😂🙏
You were on the right track! It was Red Seas Fire.
Dude needs to stop saying 'moves' just because he heard someone say it once and thought it was cool....
15:55
Bro "smooth Amp" on Fabfilter Saturn is one of the best bass tones i've ever heard lmfao