Roland TD-4KP Snare Upgrade to Roland PDX-100
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- Опубліковано 21 січ 2019
- I thought it might be cool to show the before and after videos of upgrading the Snare pad on this kit. To me, it is absolutely worth the upgrade. Way more fun to play and the feel is outstanding compared to the original pad. I used the kit to trigger Addictive Drums 2 inside of Pro Tools for the audio.
Hi there, thanks for sharing. How did you set the new pad up? The module (at least mine), only come with PDX6 or PDX8 as options for a snare pad. Did you choose one of those or had to use a different configuration ? Thanks again.
Hey Sergio,
I set it to PDX8. My best guess to why there is no PDX100 setting is that the PDX100 did not exist yet when these modules came out but that is a total shot in the dark. Maybe there is a firmware update for them? But I have never connected it to a computer to check. Seems to work just fine on the PDX8 setting though. I also fiddled with the sensitivity settings a little bit and that made all the pads much more responsive and made them react more like real drums to me.
Thanks a lot! That really helped.
@@Bearvswolf what fiddling did you do please?
The Pad settings changes were the biggest help for me.
I chose for Snare:
Curve - Exp1
Scan Time - 2.0ms
Retrig Cancel - 4
Mask Time - 4ms
Xtalk Cancel - 20%
Rim Gain - 1.1
Threshold - 2
I Chose for Toms:
Exp 1, 1.6ms, 3, 8ms, Xtalk 65%, Threshold 12.
The curve setting makes the pads react differently based on how hard you hit them. So it changes the dynamics. The Threshold is how hard you have to hit the drums to make them trigger. On my kit I still have the original pads for the toms and those setting needed to be set much differently. I had a lot of problems with the toms triggering when I would hit cymbals etc. so I put the Xtalk cancel really high (65%). They also need to be hit harder to make them act like real drums so the threshold went to 12 for me. I am still tweaking but these were much better than the stock settings for me and I think the drums play much more musically and dynamically if you are used to the feel of real drums. Thanks for watching
@@Bearvswolf Do you think these advanced fiddles would be worthwhile if not triggering a drum program and just using onboard sounds?
Ahhh thank you so much for this. In the process of replacing some pads on this set. I think the TD4 module is amazing and I really just need to upgrade the pads and some of the chrome to be a happy drummer again. Wish there were more information on which pads work and stuff. Oh well thanks again
Genio! Que buen toque tienes! Voy a guardar este video para aprender, saludos desde Buenos Aires Argentina 🇦🇷
It sounds very nice! And you are awsome drummer man!
Thank you.
Really awesome work with paradiddles! I loved it for that reason!
Appreciate it. Thank you🤘
It seems you really spent time on the George Lawrence Stone's Stick Control book ;) very good and precise stick control, keep up good work 👍
Yep. That and many years in Marching bands. Thanks🤘
Nice chops!
great playing!
this sounds very good for an electronic snare
If I remember correctly this was triggering Addictive Drums. Not the sound in the td4kp
Awesome work! I’m having trouble achieving ghost notes with the octapad and was going to add this snare. Looks like your ghost notes with the standard pad were pretty nice though! Hope it’s not the octapad brain limitation stopping the ghost notes. Going to give it a try 😢
Daniel Driensky thanks. Having played an octapad before I dont find them to be incredibly responsive. My guess is you will like the new pad. I cant imagine the brain on this kit is any tech heavier than the octapad. And its probably older.
BearVsWolf thanks for the response! I’ll give the snare a go!
Your demo of the pdx100 snare sounds awesome. Can this pdx100 snare pad get cross stick and rim shot sounds as well with my td4kps kit? Thanks.
Thank you! yes it can do both
Hi BearVsWolf, thank you so much for the great video. It convinced me to finally get me a PDX 100 myself today for my 4 year old TD-4KP.
BtW, as I read in another comment, you chose the PD8 setting, the manual of the PDX 100 recommends the following settings for the TD-4/TD-9:
- Trig Type: PD105
- Sensitivity: 7
- Rim Gain: 1.8
- Rim Adjust: 2.5
I'm getting good results with AD Drums 2 so far, unfortunately not so good ones yet with Superior Drummer 2.
Also the behaviour of the TD4-KP Module Sounds is not satisfying yet, Cross Stick is not working. Maybe a Factory Reset will help.
What AD2 Kit are you using in the video? It sounds great, and nice playing!
Greetings from Berlin
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For AD 2 I own 3 kits. The Fairfax which is a gretsch kit. The Studio Pop which is a Sonor kit. And the Black Velvet which is a DW kit. I believe this is the Black velvet setting used in this video. Congrats and Good Luck
@@Bearvswolf Thanks a lot for the tip, I just bought the Black Velvet in the Black Friday Sale and it is indeed a very nice sounding kit which works well with the Roland Set, especially the Snare. I also got the Funk kit and the United Pop which are also nice.
Thanks to the PDX-100 I prefer Addictive Drums now over EZdrummer2, because the transitions from Snare to Rimshots are much more smooth and natural to play. (except for the EZX UK Pop Kit which works also very well with the PDX-100).
Cheers from Berlin
great video man! I'm planning on buying a td-4kp for myself but I was wondering if the drumset wobbles too much when playing, because in the video it looks like its wobbling a lot. is this a dealbreaker? are the sounds that came with the drumset any good? and can you do rimshots with this snare? thanks in regards
I don't find the wobbling to be a problem. Sounds with the kit are solid. I use addictive drums get mine. I just use the kit to trigger them. Yes rimshots work but only with dual triggering pads.
Please show me how to set up next to pdx 100
Thank you for the video !!!! Do you also tune the snare drum head ?
You can yes. That does tighten up the feel. But the pitch is changed in the brain.
I've finally got around to buying a pdx-100, problem is I can't really get the pad into the place where I can comfortably play it.
It's either too high up or too far away from the kit. Would you be able to show how you have your kit set up?
This snare sounds very nice! How do you have set them? I don't now how to reproduce the same sound.
Thank you. The Snare from this video was from Addictive Drums 2. I was connected to a computer via midi. I have forgotten which exact snare it was by now. But it is not from the td-4kp module.
Hey there. Thanks for this video. Just wondering if you could tell me what were the best pad settings you used for pdx100 on the roland module. I recently bought a pdx100 to my 4kp and experiencing some hotspot issues right in the middle. Thank you very much.
Check out comments earlier in this comment section. That info is here somewhere. If I get around to it I will post it in the video description.
Its in the replies under the pinned comment. Cheers
BearVsWolf thank you very much
Could you suggest how to get a bigger sound from the bass drum ? When I connect to PA , snare toms and cymbals are fine, but even if I have the volume turned up to max 100 for the bass drum , it still isn’t as loud as the other pads - are there any settings you could suggest ? - many thanks Loris
Well first i would state the obvious, turn the other elements down in the mixer. Check on the compression settings too. The kick could be getting compressed and being made quiet.
Could also be a crossover in your PA. Maybe it is not allowing the low end through. Circa 100 hz. To protect the speaker from blowing.
Hoi Cool video
Just wanted to know did you use a separate stand for the snare???
I had to buy a mounting bracket that went the other direction than the original. Most of the time you can find them being sold with the pad.
I thought this pad was for toms only.. isn’t pdx 8 and 6 for snare? I want to upgrade the snare myself.. is the 100 better than the 8? And what do I need to do to set it up? I would appreciate your help. Great drumming...
Mrluchendo I think any of them would work. I just wanted the biggest one and the one that would respond and use cross sticks. I think the 8/6 would be fine. Like i said i just wanted the size. It doesnt take much to setup. Just unplug the old pad and plug in the new one. I needed a new piece of hardware to mount it correctly so you may want to look into that bracket.
Hi - do you know if you can add another pad to the TD4KP ? I heard that it may be possible but would need to change the main cable that goes into the brain to accommodate another pad . Interested to get your thoughts, thank you
Cheers from Sydney
Ill start by saying I do not know. But if you can then I would say the same. The main cable would probably need to be replaced. I dont see why the brain would not be capable of producing another sound. The main cable breaks out to all the jacks for the pads. So it would make sense you need to change it to add another jack.
👍 thanks
Hi mate. I know this is a long time from posting. I'm a new drummer. Got the same kit and just wondered what kit number you play on or is it something adjusted with the snare, Tom's, ride, hi hat and cymbal.
Sounds excellent and as a new drummer just wanna set and forget but can't find a kit I'm totally happy with. Hope that make sense. Also any adjustments to sound, muffling that kinda thing. Cheers Tim.
If I had to pick a set from this module its probably number 1. But in this video I am actually triggering the sounds from addictive drums 2. If you have a computer to do so with the sounds will crush anything in the roland modules. Superior drummer, addictive drums etc are all way better sounds.
@BearVsWolf That great. To be honest I don't know how to do that but will look into it. I've had the drum kit awhile as purchased for my 9 year old son. Just bought a pdx100 and pdx8, used on ebay to try as snare. Will probably use the pdx100 as snare and start replacing the Tom's with pdx8's. Roland don't seem to do clamps though for the td4 Tom mount positions as the metal horizon rack isn't 1.5 inch. Looking into universal clamps.
Excellent drumming by the way and really inspirational.
I've played guitar for 10 years and wanna pick up keyboard and drums. Thanks again Tim.
Thank you👍
It is as simple as connecting a midi cable to a computer with usb. From there its just software. Yes I am not sure about the tom mounts either. I never looked into that. The snare was a huge upgrade though and made the kit much better in my opinion. Happy drumming!
You're an awesome drummer dude!!!
Can toms be upgraded, too?
Fabian Pacheco Thank you. I dont see why not. Its the same connection.
@@Bearvswolf ... Oh thanx!
Is it possible to tune the drums with the Pad? What about the rimshot and ghost notes?
Hi! I've had this Roland TD-4KP for many years but until now I do not know how to record the sounds to make drum covers. May I know how did you record the drum audio for this video?? :')
The easy way would be to use an instrument cable and plug it in to any kind of interface. Then you would need some sort of software for recording (Logic, Pro Tools etc.). In this video I am using the Midi output of the Roland to a USB connection on my computer to trigger sounds in Addictive Drums 2. So the sounds are not actually coming from the Roland. Hope this helps.
@@Bearvswolf Thanks for your prompt and kind reply! I’ll try it. May I know what kind of instrument cable and how would the set up probably looks like?
@@aggiezane5078 Just a standard guitar type cable. Called a TS cable. You can use the headphone out if needed. Or you can use the two stereo L/R outputs on the back of the unit for Stereo. Or just Left for Mono. Easy to find.
What did you do with the extra pad? Actually, I have the same set and I want to connect (expand the drumset)
the extra pad on it.
I still have it around somewhere. Interested?
@@Bearvswolf I also have mine. My question is about the capability of the set to be expanded. I think that it is impossible due to the specific characteristics of the module cable. What's your experience? Is it posible to do something to expand the kit?
Oh I see what you mean. Yes I imagine it would need a new cable. But I wonder if the brain is capable of even adding a drum. That I dont know. Best call Roland on that one.
thanks for the video. I have roland td1k can i use that snare on it? and can you get cross stick sound ?
I am not an expert on the compatibility. But the pads on the td1k are the same ones that I replaced for my kit so I dont see why not. And my kit does trigger rim shots yes.
Sorry I misread. Yes there is one setting in my kit that uses cross sticks. It does not work on all kits but if I remember correctly you can program it to other kits. I dont know if that holds true for the td1k.
@@Bearvswolf thank man 👍🏻
@@Bearvswolf you didnt misread btw. I first miswrote rim shots then changef to cross sticks :)
Greetings. I have a question. The sound is from the Roland module or is a plug in like ezdrummer ?
Carlos Herrera I am using the kit to trigger sounds in Addictive Drums 2. I have forgotten which drumset it was.
@@Bearvswolf I have that Roland td-4 kp and is perfect for practice and is a solution for people like me that i live in an appartment.
Whit that pad, can you use the snare ring????
Hey, quick question the is there a way to fix ur snare if it gets loose? Like I hit once and the pad immediately faces me instead of the ceiling. I would very much appreciate ur help (also I'm talking about the snare before the upgrade)
I believe it is like a folding mechanism on the older snare. I think you tighten that with a drum key. I remember having similar issues with mine if it was hit hard. Just have to tighten it way down.
@@Bearvswolf Thanks I really a your help
Can I have the cross stick sound with this pad?
Yes Cross stick does work.
How about the rim shot?
brusmaryosep yes Rim shot function works
WoW
How tight do you have the Roland snare, and what sticks are you using to get such great bounce?
Hard to say. This was years ago now. I’m not sure I played too much with the tuning lugs. I found it was already pretty tight the first time I used it. Probably more to do with the module than the pad.
Vic Firth 5a wood tip sticks🤘
Hi how much did you pay for this upgrade? Is it still as compact to cary around when folded?
I was able to find the pad and the mount for about $120 I believe it was. I have never tried to fold it up and carry it anywhere but I don't foresee it being an issue. At most you would have to take the Snare pad off and carry it separately. Thanks for Watching.
@@Bearvswolf Thanks I am buying a second hand TD4kp today for $378 (owner says bought 18 months ago new and barely used), so your video is interesting, for me to know it could maybe be upgraded, for now I will try just the default setup but nice to know I can maybe upgrade it. Is that PDX-100 more sensitive and it supports rim shots and stuff like that?
@@charbax Congrats, they are a lot of fun. Yes, the mesh heads are way more responsive. The rubber pads have a mushy feel that works fine for rock type playing but if you are trying to do rolls and other fancy things they fall short. Keep in mind they do make a PDX-8, PD-8, PD-6, PDX-12 that are even cheaper but I just wanted the bigger pad (PDX-100). And yes, they are dual trigger so they can provide rim shots and the PDX-100 can do cross stick functions. I believe anything with an X in the model number can do cross sticking.
Can u use a PDX12?
@@jjleef I don't see why not. But I don't know for sure. I'd just call Roland and ask. They are great on the phone.
Men me gustaría usar su configuración, me ayudas, 🙏gracias
Me gustaría saber solo el redoblante y los platillos
@@alexjaviergonzalezsuarez2679 the setting on the roland unit are listed in the comments here. The sounds are coming from “addictive drums 2”. I forget which drumset i used.
@@Bearvswolf gracias friend
For some reason when I choke the cymbals addictive drums 2 doesn't register it. Is there a way to fix this?
Hm. Good question. I’ll check and see if mine do. Not sure on that one.
@@Bearvswolf thanks. Also, what kit do you use for add2?
I have forgotten. I own the Fairfax. The Black Velvet. And the Studio pop kit. Almost positive it was the Black Velvet kit though.
@@Bearvswolf alright I'll check that out later. Did you find out whether your cymbal chokes register or not?
@@TheCookieJar69 So I tried this tonight and No, I cannot get my cymbals to choke using Addictive drums in Pro Tools. They work fine with the module. And unsurprisingly, they work fine in Logic Pro X. The chokes were automatically fired after I selected Roland TD-4 under Map window.
However, there is a Learn function in the MIDI editor. If you click on the ? icon in the top right corner of the plugin you get the options for the midi stuff. First of all go ahead and select your kit (TD-4). Next you can select "cymbal Chokes" and try hitting Learn and then grabbing the cymbal for each one. I got this far and it seams to register but I am having trouble getting the choke. I think I am close and if I do figure it out I will def post a video.
I don't hear the difference in the snare drum change. Does it feel better? I bet!
Guadalupe EG Yea theres no real sonic change. I think the notes trigger much cleaner though, not sure if that comes across or not. And yes the feel is night and day.
@@Bearvswolf I have that kit, but I hate the snare. I am thinking of upgrading it too.
Guadalupe EG right on. Yea i love the small foot print. But i replaced the snare right away. To me its well worth it.
Cada pad cuesta carísimo , si quieres subir la.calidad de tu td4kp ,,, es una bonita batería
What is the name Hihat ..? Snare ? Tom 1 ? Tom 2 ? Tom 3 Ride ..? Kick..?
Not sure how you mean