EV owners are FLOCKING back to GAS cars... here's why
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2024
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A huge amount of EV owners will go back to #internalcombustionengine powered cars for their next purchase. Here's the reason. #byd #modely #model3 #ioniq5 #id4 #electric #toyota #honda #lexus #vw #ford #gm
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And they said, Akio Toyoda was stupid to say electric cars are not the future, and hybrids are.
He finally had the last laugh
He’s a hero, foresighted pioneer, and a true car guy.
Got clowned on why I spent the money on a plug in hybrid rather than a Tesla. Cue a few months later, Tesla cuts price on new cars which tanks the entire EV market with no end in sight, still. Meanwhile I can still sell my car for MSRP over a year later 🤷♂️
@ohchord9573
Yeah a lot of people said that.
I have both. EV is great as a daily.
Yay, go Toyota Prius 💀🤣🤦🏽♂️ hell no, I will literally rather go electric or combustion but whoever told you it’s hybrid is WEEEEIIRDDDD… I love my speed thank you very much
Tesla fan bois: “Toyota is going bankrupt by 2025” 😂😂😂😂
Might be the opposite
Tesla is more likely to stop existing before the Camry is redesigned again in 5-6 years.
Tesla's opportunity was passed when it decided that the cybertruck was more important than a model 2.
So does Tesla.
Tesla fan bois lack brain cell, they need to take their pills regularly
Can’t charge at work, can’t charge at home. Sitting in a random wal mart parking lot for hours charging each month doesn’t appeal to me. Time is money!
Yep, an EV is not for you, it is for alot of other people tho that have a house and driveway, time is money, I enjoy waking up to a full car each morning rather than driving to a gas station, filling up, paying and leaving. Instead I just drive where I want. When I want. EVs are awesome. You have a gas station in your back yard.
@@DS9FANINDADEFIANT Yep, for me and the millions of other people who park on streets, live in apartments or park in parking garages with no power. It’s not practical at all, and on road trips to the middle of the Arizona desert to visit family it’s not practical either. Isn’t a charging station for 25 miles where they live.
@@drumflip1253 I believe in free choice. An EV benifits me, it may not benifit others, but I do believe people that could genuinely benifit from an EV are being mislead on fears about stuff that isn't real or greatly exaggerated. Freedom is the most important thing.
@@DS9FANINDADEFIANT Very well said , I have had my EV for almost 2 yrs no way would I go back to a gas engine car for every day use .
@@DS9FANINDADEFIANTI fully agree on free choice but what are the "fears about stuff that isn't real or greatly exaggerated"?
Wait until the government start charging tax by miles driven on our cars (it doesn’t matter if it is gas, electric or in between
You don’t understand this will be EV only. In WA they charge a $250 EV only fee to make up for lost gas tax revenue.
They’re already trying to pass this here in Commiefornia
The government should charge a tax based on the miles driven multiplied by the vehicles weight. Roads cost trillions of dollars to build and maintain
@@avery4528Gee, how did we managed before without insane tax plans, I wonder.
@@0bzen22Damn, that hits hard. The government at one time used to reinvest the tax they collected for building infrastructure instead of throwing it away to minority support subsidies, politician bonuses, and EV subsidies.
"Just one chocolate pretzel...."
The reason some people don't want EVs is because they're happy with what they've got. Imagine eating a chocolate pretzel and having someone come and constantly insist you rather eat a salty pretzel. You can't make someone want something, especially if they're happy with what they have.
Spot on.Alas, this Govt administration is going to screw everyone over in the end.
Yep. Sadly people are blind to change, I agree. But like the horse and the automobile. Soon people will realise.
@@DS9FANINDADEFIANT Everything has gone up, automobiles, insurance, electric bills, and so on. EVs are one reason for all of these more expensive bills.
@petera5560 EVs are not a reason for more bills idk how you can think that.
Toyota Camry hybrid. 675 mile range. Refuels in 4 minutes.
And a Tesla M3 Standard does 140 mpg.
@@oldgit15 And you get that awesome Tesla build quality. 😂
And you drive 675 miles a day? Ride share driver?
@@mowcowbell Yeah, who wants range? Any idea how dumb your comment is?
@@mowcowbell Yeah, who would want long range? 😂
Hybrid cars make the most sense right now. No range anxiety, greater range than any EV, more reliable, etc.
Exit your ICE bubble. Much LESS reliable. Two drive systems, all the expensive maint. and repairs of ICE. The first scheduled maint. of my Chevy Bolt was 150K miles for a coolant change.
i love my ICE mustang V8! only lil girls drive hybirds
@@davidmccarthy6061 My ice is 24 years old this year and no major repairs (it's a turbo four). It still drives great. It's been paid off for 19 years and I've saved a lot of money. My insurance is only 50 per month. I live in the central valley in california.
@@badboy-gn8fu I see a muscle car. I know the driver has a butt plug in and was touched by his uncle as a kid.
@@badboy-gn8fu somebody's compensating
I thought I was going insane at the height of the EV craze. As a lifelong car person and PC enthusiast, it was crystal clear that EV tech will progress quickly, and older EVs will be treated like an old PC. No one really wants it. And battery replacement can range in the tens of thousands. All the "gas" money they all saved does not even come close to the bath all EV owners have taken on resale value
It's like you think gas cars don't depreciate any worse than anything else.
Come back here when gas shoots up $5-10 a gallon in the US and we'll talk about depreciation.
@@sprockkets Dont hold your breath. In the meantime, EV owners can enjoy the $20-30k+ loss on depreciation. That's a whole new ICE car.
@@jimmyg7733 And when gas was sky high in 2022, used teslas were going for more than new, and the price of them new went up by thousands because of high demand.
Also factored in depreciation was the $7500 tax credit all EVs received for the past 8 plus years.
I could care less about depreciation - my 2003 toyota corolla went from $16,000 to $10000 in two years. Thanks to incentives from my power company, a 200 mile drive costs me $3.75, vs $21 in a 4 cylinder Kia. And that gas is $3.25.
@@sprockkets Gas cars don't lose range and don't require a $20k engine replacement after 10 years. No one wants an old phone that doesn't hold a charge and has outdated tech, no one is going to want an old EV either.
Yep - between depreciation that is the fastest of any car type and increased insurance costs - it’s the dumbest purchase you can make.
The Chinese say electric vehicles are like moving surveillance cameras.
If you have high enough social credit you can drive your car, but you if you don't, sorry you'll have to walk
What is done to EVs specifically that can't be done to ICE cars?
@@oldgit15 ICE cars' small battery means electrical (surveillance) systems operate only when the vehicle is motion. EV's can be on 24/7.
Nothing should change until it’s as practical as an ice car, period.
It already is
Exactly. Charging a car is not rocket science.
@@whitecometifyhow so? I’m considering buying an EV
@@MBergymanAt home charging is fine. Try charging in a city, most chargers are located in parking garages.
Biased lmao. You were spoon fed gasoline, never meant there was NOT anything better
Lack of an infrastructure in the Midwest and Northeast is the primary barrier for me.
There is plenty of charging infrastructure in the Northeast. Traveling around New England is trivial with Tesla’s Supercharger network. Had no trouble traveling to and from northern New England to see the April eclipse.
You charge at home. When traveling teslas chargers are at intervals which can get you anywhere you need to go. NONSENSE. People have traveled all over the USA for the last half a decade many when the network was much thinner than it is now. I think you have no idea or have been living under a rock.
This is enough. Though I still find it annoying how many new gas stations there are with zero lvl 3 chargers
Everyone has different situations, but I have a Chevy Bolt I've owned for almost a year haven't had to public charge yet, 259 Mi of range
Gas, gas, gas, I'm gonna step on the gas, tonight ill fly, and be your lover
Initial d 5th stage
COOL VIBRATIONS
Gas? Diesel bro!
Sorry, but my ev suv which seats 7 does 0-60 in under 3 seconds and passes a hellcat and all but supercars on the highway. Also costs me 1/4 of what your gas sedan (nevermind a gas suv) does to fuel and its brakes will last over 200k miles. I think one could say you are a fool. Might be a legitimate statement. Sorry, but smarter people make better lovers and that you are not. Not to mention that by ev and all teslas are safer than any gas car (go look it up, not even close) and also have better handling, stability and are less likely to get in an accident than any gas car so we will survive in greater numbers than you. Survival of the fittest.
SPEEDY SPEED BOY
My buddy is one of those 40% folks. He had a 2012 Model S and traded it in for a Hybrid Highlander.
Reasons he ditched his Tesla:
1. Suspension repair was almost $8k
2. Battery degradation and repair cost to replace his battery.
3. Traveling charge anxiety.
He likes to travel and charging his Tesla required planning for charging stations and TIME. He hated the time it takes to charge and how it lengthens his trip time to his destination.
He is far more happy with his Hybrid Highlander.
I'm a tesla hater, but the 2012 Model S is Tesla's first car they built themselves, what did that person expect LOL
@@sprockkets With a little over 10 years of ownership, it would cost him a lot more to repair than a regular gas car.
The main reason is he likes to travel and he values his time. Sitting and waiting 30 mins to an hour depending where he can charge it is something he couldn't get over.
Explain in detail the 3 points you are trying to make, no general statement. What EV did he have?
@@vancity2349 What does me explaining in detail on the 3 points do for you? That's something my buddy can answer because I didn't ask him specifics on the 3 details I listed.
@@vancity2349 Read the original comment again. The car's model was stated. The reasons for trading said car were also stated.
I get 40mpg on my honda Accord hybrid. What more can you ask for, 530+ mile range . EV dont even come close to that range, and you are paying double the price that's going to depreciate faster than an ICE car. Sounds like EV cars are a liability rather than an asset.
Cars are not assets.
@@hoofzy Cars are assets if people are willing to pay more than mrsp.
As a dude who has a Honda accord, I will never be sticking with it.. a Tesla has literally every down better. Century mode, cheaper, zero maintenance, absolutely keyless, one pedal driving (regen), gorgeous updates, better car software, better speakers(I absolutely love good speakers), better acceleration (Especially than a hybrid good god), & MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH better ride quality…. I’ve done Uber out here in Vegas & NOT funnnn with Honda quality…..
lucid gets about 510 miles of range and the gravity there suv is gonna get even more so
@@DreDresChaptersTesla is trash, that’s why they slashed their prices to a bargain bin level. At least they’re worth their build quality now 😂.
Its kind funny, everybody want more supercharging/fast DC charching but thats what destroys batteries. Up North because its cold batteries dont hold charge well, but down South heat destroys batteries. It appears that California is the perfect place to own EV.
It is easier in california, but a lot of people are doing well in cold states, fast charging not as hard on batteries as originally thought, most people do a majority of their charging at home
Here in Comifornia electric rates are high and are going up again.
Gas is even higher
Charging infrastructure….Point blank…Period…
Plus charging time & range.
I understand merchants sold gasoline early on in America. In the Philippines away from the cities gasoline is sold by the liter Coca-Cola bottle. No pumps in the rural communities. I have witnessed outlets like Buc-ees having charging stations at their locations. It will come through determination, hard work and a willingness to provide where needed.
@@matrix-fh9tn I don't even like waiting 5 minutes in the grocery line, much less sitting an hour at risk of being robbed at a charge station.
@@tdhumphreys6516 How did you go from Phillipines coke gasoline to buccees installing charging stations?? What kind of other earth analogy is that.
I hate waiting to fill my trucks with gas! Conveniently my ev vans are full every morning ready to work 10 seconds to plugin at night! I don't like paying my employees to stop and pump gas in the morning when they can be on the jobsite working making me money. It is that simple. Avg 20 min x2 people @ 60 per hour, you do the math it adds up fast. Notice I didn't mention the cost of fuel.
I was Lexus IS owner went to Tesla and I don’t plan on going back any time soon. If you don’t have the means to charge it, then you can’t drive an EV. Means to charge means charging at home or work, not relying on the supercharger network.
Yes, this is a huge issue. Feds used $7B of our tax money for the program and have built exactly 7-8 in two years. Pathetic and shows not serious about it, but want the perception they are very serious.
@@twebb726 I think most has yet to be sent so there is hope
@Swaangin, I guess the vast majority of us Americans aren't buying them then. This is consistent with sales # across the US. Or it's that they are too tech laden and expensive to own, insure, and fix.
Wait till you have to replace the battery.
@@rxonmymind8362 Yes, but with nio you can do it in 3 minutes. There is no real reason for this on most EVs. With some million mile batteries, I would think leasing would be a better option.
I don't want a car that need to be paired to a recent mobile phone with a internet plan and a credit card to go from a to b.
Amen to that !
I don't think that exists, that's not how my EV's are
@@rp9674 If you need to public charge? or unlock the doors? My most recent phone is android 6.0.1, the one I use to call is 2.3.4 !!!!! Green enough for you?
There is just no replacement to pulling up to a gas pump and having your vehicle full of fuel in 10 min or less. With an EV, plan a lunch and some shopping while you're charging up your vehicle. I see EV charging stations becoming a high crime area soon.
Already are. Late at night. Clipping the cables for the copper
No replacement for having a full tank every morning that costs 20% the price at the pump. Never have to ever wait in that Costco line on the weekends.
Duh. A bathroom break and lunch stop takes more time than it does to charge. I have to spend 10 minutes watching the pump, whereas I do not have to wait with car while it charges. Therefore you spend more time gassing than I do charging because I am doing something else. Crime? Where did that come from. Well, get out of that crappy neighborhood you live in.
LOL. You are really in never never land.
@@ariip Nobody want's to hit the head and go shopping every time they need to fuel up their vehicle. I only said 10 min as that counts for the time to drive into the gas station, get out of the car, pay, pump and leave. Yes those charging point are going to start being a breading ground for theft, especially if they see a person sitting in a vehicle alone. People are struggling right now everywhere in the US, doesn't matter where anyone lives, crime finds the wealthy areas and EV owners are considered wealthy people to a criminal.
Toyota hybrids are the way
Na Toyota is trash now. Honda V6 for life
@@wallbangerzsportsToyota isnt trash.
@@wallbangerzsportshonda hybrid damm good as well as Toyota
Hybrids are shit
Tf is a hybrid. Just pick
I always felt like hybrids were the sweetspot. TOYOTA WAS RIGHT... AS ALWAYS.
Are they right about their new truck engines blowing up? They fail at times too.
Toyota was right hydrogen entered the chat 💀
@@ewxlt Mainly turbo charged engines blow up in hybrids, naturally aspirated engines perform well in Toyota hybrids.
Plug-in hybrid, closer
All of the EV enthusiasts accused the Japanese for being late to the "revolution". As if Toyota or Honda dont have years of experience and research lol.
It'd be nice if they showed it and produced some decent EVS
It’s amazing how auto CEOs got completely caught up in the EV hype curve, pivoted entire companies to EV production. 3 years later they are reading this impressive report and realize they 💩 the bed
I've been caught up in the Eevee reality for 5 and 1/2 years, it's very nice
They should go to Hybrids like the Camry or Accord.
At least plug-in hybrids
@@rp9674 Wasn't he just talking about Plug in and how Inconvenient they are?
I have owned a PHEV for over a year and absolutely love it. I live in a location with temperature ranges from -30c to +40c, snow and strong storms and I have never had issues or stress with my PHEV. I see no reason to go to full EV as of yet. I also put on over 35k's a year, so I drive quite a bit in the city, on light offroad and highway.
Wonderful. But guess what, there is something even better. You just need to open your eyes and learn some new things. Unless you prefer to stick in your old ways. PHEVs are just gas cars with a little bit of ev stuck in. A frankenstein if you will. A compromise for multiple things. Rather than having the best of the best with one thing. Kind of obvious if it did not occur to you. We own 2 Tesla evs. over 140k miles. No gas for 5 years and no maintenance. You still have a gas car, plus an ev crammed in to the same body. Less space as a result. More problems, more complicated. You have 2 cars worth of parts and complication. Is that better? I think a 5 year old would understand why that is not a good thing. BTW, we can drive all over the country, in winter, in summer, does not matter. The fact is our car is going to handle better, be better in the snow due to the physics, balance etc. Our evs are also the safest cars ever tested; not even close.
Ppl thinking they are early adapters now realize they have been too early.
Now I realize I don't need as much range or charging as I thought I did and I really appreciate my 2023 Chevy Volt
i always see teslas charging outside shopping centers with their drivers on their phone lol
wonder how much of their time they lose per year charging
I'm an EV owner, I wonder what people's charging habits are I think some people buy EVs with no home charging and only charge at fast charging, seems a little weird to me, whatever works.
It doesn't help that New Jersey is punishing EV owners by charging a registration fee of $290 per year. An ICE car cost ~$75 per year.
That is absurd. A car is a car.
The cost of road maintenance should be shared by all car owners. ICE car owners contribute that in the form of gas tax.
Makes sense: EV owners don't contribute to infrastructure maintenance via the gas tax. They arguably contribute more to road wear and tear since they are heavier than the equivalent ICE car.
@@Seriously140 It's not absurd. Infrastructure and maintenance are funded by gas taxes. EVs aren't paying gas taxes but are using the roads so they need to pay up the difference.
While the annual fee seems high, there are some details you omitted:
1. The annual EV fee is currently $250. It will increase $10/year until it hits $290 in 2028.
2. NJ residents do not have to pay sales tax on full BEVs. That state assesses the standard 6.625% sales tax on vehicle purchases. On an average-priced new vehicle ($48000) that's a tax savings of $3180. If you use the $290 figure, that's 11 years of registration fees.
EVs is a bad idea. It always was a bad idea. Some people have to go through the school of hard knocks to learn that.
5 1/2 years of great EVs ownership, I guess I'll learn someday.
I found gassers for decades, how long have you driven EVS
@@rp9674 I have confidence that you will, but first get an education. Learn some physics and the golden rule of building any vehicle. Build them light and strong.
My problem with EV's is the lie about the range, and it isn't enough. I want 400 consistently.
Do you drive 400 consistently
@@mcsike7264thank god someone said that 😂.
Also, I can give you 300 guarenteed every time you wake up? Without having to go to a gas station to fill up?
@@DS9FANINDADEFIANT these ppl think there super human or something they ever get hungry tired or need to go to the bathroom XD surprise they even stop for gas since they are in such a hurry all the time 🤣
@@DS9FANINDADEFIANT You absolutely cannot, not at -10 or -20 during the winter in some parts of the country. Now, if Els could, AND I could charge them from 10% to 100% in 4-5 mins AND I don't need to pay 10k-20k for a new battery every 12-15 years, THEN I'll be the first one to buy one!
Going back to gas cars and back to electing a president in November that doesn't wear diapers.
I gave away my Honda gas lawn mower last year, went electric. My lawn is hilly that was more than a match for the electric's self propel and the battery died after a few uses. Went back to ICE. This soured the EV car waters for me.
Eevee's have a little bit bigger battery than a lawn mower, have you seen the 0 to 60 times ?
@@rp9674 A couple of years ago I had a house built. I had the garage wired for electrical cars knowing one day soon I will be making the switch. Just not today.
My mother picked up a new '25 Camry, that is the way to go. The only reason I would EVER not go Hybrid and do pure EV would be if charging was free at work.
Not even. 'If I could charge at home', that's my threshold. And I can, but I don't need to. Charging at work... Yeah, not when there are 20 others competing for the spot.
And I wouldn't buy one, I'd lease one. Or even better, buy a dirt-cheap second-hand EV, charge at home, and do my 10-20 miles commuting.
@@0bzen22 I've thought about getting a used Tesla, since they are in the high teens to low twenties now, I guess we'll see... It would be pretty perfect since my round trip commute is only 20 miles.
Free charging at work? Nothing is free... someone will be paying...
@@ilollipop100 Well yeah, tax payers like me I guess...
EVS are even better, I've owned gassers for decades, don't miss it
An EV is a great commuter car. Nothing more. But with affordability, charging infrastructure, residual value still lacking, combined with increased insurance premiums, rising electricity costs and proposed "per mile" taxes EVs have basically hit a huge roadblock in adoption.
Rising electric costs? Ours dropped by .03 per kWH. Down from .14 to .11.
You can charge at home for super cheap off peak hours...
@@mowcowbell Ours have been rising since 2019.
Also good for all your vehicle requirements
@@wyw201 Ours dropped due to the decrease in cost of natural gas. 33% of the grid power here comes from wind farms.
It's apparently not just a problem with the number of charging locations, but the number of poorly-maintained chargers out-of-operation, or chargers supplying a slower-than-anticipated charging rate. And I know, from past experiences during national oil shortages, how I feel about waiting in line for a gasoline pump (which is much faster than charging a battery pack).
Yes, the networks outside the Tesla networks are really hurting the EV perception on charging. If I had to use those I would be grumbling all the same.
@@hoofzy good thing tesla opening there network
I hear that, but I don't know firsthand because I haven't charged publicly in almost a year of owning my 23 Chevy Bolt... charge at home
1 billion per charger..
The American goverment way 😂
False comment, easily disprovable
And this is why u stick with a SIMPLE gas engine, everything is much easier all the way around.
Nothing easier than - I come home from work I plug in, I unplug it in the morning before I leave
We have 6 thousand Tesla sitting on the docks that are not moving here in Australia
Thank you for addressing the often neglected drivers who just don’t have access to a home charger, relying on $$ public charging. There can be no mass adoption until this issue is resolved.
i mean you go from being a slave to gas stations to being a slave to ev charging stations
And that's if we can possibly find enough copper, nickel, etc. to build both the vehicles and the infrastructure. Peter Zeihan thinks it'll take a ten-fold increase in production of copper alone. Doubtful that it's even possible.
Everyone has to research their area for viability of driving an EV at this point in the adoption. I am glad you know your challenges where you are. I had access to supercharging that is still cheaper than gas and the capability to install a home charger so EV is a no brainer to me.
I meet many tesla owners who can not charge at home and what do they do, go to a supercharger once or twice a week and wait for half an hour while making phone calls, watching video in their tesla or playing games in the cars system. They have fun. Worth it for the better vehicle, saving money, being safer and not driving a horse and buggy anymore. Who cares. Be the fool. That is your loss.
California, Colorado, Florida, Hawaii, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, and Virginia have passed right-to-charge laws aiming to streamline the installation of residential community EV charging stations. Also, Illinois recently passed a right-to-charge law specific to new houses or multiunit buildings.
my ice mechanic is 50% LESS THAN THE DEALERS FOR REPAIRS N MAINTENANCE. Not many EV mechanics w their own shops yet.
Not many things to brake in a ev m8
There are a few independent shops, if that's the point. It's a good problem to have that there's not enough EVS needing repairs
Would go to a conventional mechanic for suspension or shared component type concerns
The car I just sold was 16 years old. It still ran perfect. It was pretty cheap to run and super reliable (Japanese). An EV battery lasts ten years. My old car if not crashed could easily go on another 10 years. So just so we're all on the same page. Its WAY better for the environment to dig up all the materials and rare earth minerals for cars that last ten years over a car that lasts 25. Ok
Don’t forget about all the screens and tech that they rely on too! Who knows how expensive it would be to repair/replace that.
I was having a hell of a time getting my 1995 nissan truck to pass smog test in commiefornia. Went to a good mechanic and $300 repair and air sensor means the truck will last years to come. $300 vs $30k to buy another vehicle.
The environmental mining concerns has been debunked, they're not made out of air but it's also not dirtier than gas
I rented one for a week, and glad i didnt make a 4-5 year commitment to getting one financed. The Texas heat drastically decreases the range, which leads to more expenses, and I started having issues where the car would charge for about two mins before it stops over and over.
Researching it a bit, much of those billions for chargers has not been spent yet.
Now, if we could just go back to more manual transmissions. 😉
VW is also refocusing on ICE.
I remember when the US and EU placed high tariffs and import limitations to Japanese cars in the 70s and 80s and still have some of those limitations today. They did that to a completely militarily neutral country who just made a better car than they did. In that perspective I think China, who is a literary military threat, should get more limitations with their EVs in US and EU. It only makes sense.
I have both cars, but for sure never going back to internal combustion, with EV I save a ton of money, it's a matter of facts.
I plan to stay with gas powered vehicles.
I have 3 gas, no e.
Just that easy, you don't have to call names or quote false statistics
In San Diego, it’s about $0.64/Kwh if you include the transmission fee from home. Yes, it’s the most expensive electricity in the country. I haven’t seen the supercharger rates here, but it’s more for sure. So Model 3 is about $48 to fill from empty at your house and SDG&E is raising the rates even more this year. About $15.36 per 100 miles on flat ground. My mom’s old 2006 CRV gets about 20mpg combined so that’s about $24.95 per 100 miles on $4.95/gal gas. So you pay slightly higher energy fees with no range anxiety if you stick with ICE. Maintenance is the one key advantage until you figure out that you are going through tires like crazy in an EV. They also want to institute a per-mile charge here to make up for the loss in gas tax revenue and already charge you a higher annual registration fee for an EV over ICE to recoup lost gas tax revenue. EV is a scam inside California to control how and when you can drive. The rich early adopters got cheap mileage and government kickbacks while the poor are going to struggle trying to find a way to charge these things and deal with the government finding a way into you car’s driving data. It’s getting crazy in CA so I’m not sticking around for this and many other reasons. EVs are not ready for mass consumption or mandates. They are a great second car for the upper middle class, so let’s just give up on the mandates already and let the market decide.
people forget solar panel exist
@@busetgadapet solar won’t charge your car at night if you live in an apartment without a garage and a 240v outlet in it. Most apartment management will not install a charging station. I have solar at home, but it’s not paid off yet. Without some major battery backup like a couple Tesla Walls for an exorbitant price, you would still have to charge your car in off-peak solar hours and still have to pay the cost of the Kwh and transmission fee per kWh. If you are grandfathered into getting paid for what you sell back to the power company, you still have to pay the transmission fees. Solar is only the answer if you can afford the entire self-contained system for around $75-$100k. It’s a rich person’s playground. Can you do it cheaper than a Power Wall, yes, but it’s a large task for the common homeowner and batteries are not the easiest thing to maintain if they see daily use and how the weather is affecting ambient temperature. It’s more than a common man can do without help these days from a professional that knows how to manage power banks.
Not me, I love my tesla model x, my fiance loves their model 3, we have absolutely no intention on going back to a gas vehicle. We have tesla wall charger at-home in our driveway. We charge at home 99% of the time so we could care less if there's a charging station on every corner. We still have gas cars but we literally never drive them.
3:02 Our government just flat out sucks.
I have a video from ~3 years ago, "I traded my Tesla for a RAV4 Prime". To this day I still don't regret doing that. EVs still have too many limitations. Hybrids and PHEV 100% make more sense in the next 5-10 years. BEV is niche tech still. And I bought my first Tesla 9 years ago. They are fun, I miss the acceleration but not at all on road trips.
who tf wants to buy a used EV?! if you get one you have to worry about the battery and if you need to replace it, which you do, will cost you over $25k or more!
No one. EVs are a waste right now.
Plenty of ppl buy used evs and they are just fine ppl blow the whole battery thing up way too much
@@mcsike7264 im not surprised..there will always be people who buy shit
You can analyzed the battery SOH (State of Health) in details and if fine, it will be ok to buy a used EV, much cheaper than new.
@@vstromanqc but it will not be fine. If you think a ten yr old EV doesn't need a battery replacement you're delusional. It's cheap for a reason, because the battery is almost dead and you'll be paying $25k or more to replace it. There are ICE vehicles with engines built in the 80s that are still on the road today..
99% home ownership guess is crazy. what a disconnected take
I have to go back to an ICE car after my ev experience. Why? The manufacturers are just not supporting the values they place on them. The amount of depreciation after just a couple years is totally unacceptable and it's destroying any brand loyalty. However the manufacturers don't seem to care. They should be guaranteeing residual values to keep customers happy.
Used EVs will only be valued based on the demand and what people will pay for them. Nobody wants a used EV.
Already had my ev troubles and don't plan on going back to having a ev as the only car in the garage again. As my second or 3rd car in the garage then yes
Toyota is promising its 2027 generation of hybrids will use radically more efficient gasoline engines using combustion engineering learned from its hydrogen research
Yet still not as efficient as EVs
California, Colorado, Florida, Hawaii, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, and Virginia have passed right-to-charge laws aiming to streamline the installation of residential community EV charging stations. Also, Illinois recently passed a right-to-charge law specific to new houses or multiunit buildings.
If you look into the data, it's 30K people responding in 15 countries. It really isn't a story.
EV's seem great until the warranty goes out, then hang on for dear life as failures/repairs make gas cars look like the deal of the century.
BC ice fail more often 😂
I'm off warranty, it's fine, the sky is not falling
These are people who live in cold climates, and can’t charge at home👍
That’s most people in the U.S.
What does cold climates have to do with it. You are completely clueless. FACTS. WHAT COUNTRY HAS THE HIGHEST PENETRATION OF EV SALES IN THE WORLD. OVER 90 PERCENT SOLD ARE EV NOW. NORWAY!! WHERE IS MUCH OF NORWAY?? ABOVE THE ARTIC CIRCLE? DUH!!! In fact the major road service company in norway has to respond to far more stranded gas cars than evs. LOL. Double DUH!
TRIPLE DUH!. I meet many tesla owners who can not charge at home and what do they do, go to a supercharger once or twice a week and wait for half an hour while making phone calls, watching video in their tesla or playing games in the cars system. They have fun. Worth it for the better vehicle, saving money, being safer and not driving a horse and buggy anymore. Who cares. Be the fool. That is your loss.
@@ariip are you joking? EVs are worse in every conceivable way. You know who agrees? The overwhelming majority of the public, which is why there is no car type that depreciates faster than an EV. Fools by them, but they can’t find the greater fool to buy their used garbage.
@@ariipI get it…I own a Model 3, but many people don’t !!
Lol I've been saying this for a while now! Great video brother.
I have zero charging concerns in the 6 years of EV ownership. Then again we are fortunate to have a few cars, not just an EV
5 1/2 years, 3 EVs, got rid of my gas car I was keeping for backup, never used it
Hahaaaaaaaaaa I figured this out after my first Ford Focus EV new at the time. I was one of the first cool few with an EV. 7 months later... GONE. Back to ICE.
You bought a compliance car with execrably dated tech and are comparing your experience with dedicated EVs of today? Hopefully you're gone soon before you'll be forced to buy only EVs or just buy older ICE engines, don't worry heard the gas corps will keep the price per gallon under $10.
@----------------------------- shut up you stupid bot everything you said is misinformation go get yourself reprogrammed
How did you make that emoji 😮
Why?
The worst part is every 10-20 years you have to buy a 80+KwH PROPRIETARY replacement battery. Anywhere between $10K-$30K just for the battery. My 23 year old Toyota just runs.
Not a whole lot of people keeping their vehicles 23 years.
@@star9732wanna bet? I have a 27 year old F-350 Powerstroke, and in another 25 years, I will still have my 1997 F-350.
@@JAMESWUERTELE average is 8 years. You are an outlier.
@@star9732 a lot of people buy 20+ year old cars, it’s not necessarily about keeping them, more about their useful lifetime. Given the price of the batteries I’d imagine the useful lifetime of an electric car will be significantly shorter than an ICE vehicle. Electric cars will be piling up in junkyards and landfills. I certainly wouldn’t buy one.
@@DUEL.FATALIS i agree, unless battery prices come way down EVs are basically worthless in 10-12 years.
Bought my 1st EV. It is not a short-term purchase and I plan to get as much out of it as possible. My commute fits. I am reading all the right things to do to preserve the longevity of the vehicle, just like my 2013 Toyota Avalon with 105K miles. I would say my automobile arsenal is diverse and I may even buy a hybrid next. Also the tech is nice.
Sounds easy when you have a brain
My wife and I both purchased Kia EV6's about ten months ago. We never thought we would own an EV until we test drove one. We charge from home daily but when we go on a longer road trip some planning is involved and we definitely suffer from range anxiety . We lease both of them like to get new cars every three years. I don't recommend a two household EV's . The next time I will get a hybrid and she will stick with EV. I love mine but the charging infrastructure isn't where it needs to be yet for us to have two at this point. Long trips are a bit scary if you can't find a charging station and it has to work when you get there.
Depends, we have a short-range EV and a long-range EV, I got rid of my gas car, never used it
I have two gas powered current Lexus cars and don’t want an EV! They are crap and too problematic, I live in Canada and despite the government’s propaganda about EV’s they just aren’t practical. Besides down the road the government will want to implement Smart Cities and will be able to restrict you through these EV’s.
Spoken exactly like someone that has never owned an EV 😂
IPhone gassers for decades owned 3 EVS for 5 and 1/2 years, very little problem with EVS, also very little maintenance
After buying a used ID4 and using electrify america
1) only buy an ev that has tesla charge network available already
2) ill replace my 2nd car (currently gas)with another utilitarian gas car pickup or suv that can tow 4k+ pounds, 4wd etc... i rarely drive as i work from home so the 2nd car is just for those type of tasks. My wife uses the ev everyday.
Before owning the id4 i would have said all ev both cars. But after living with the id4, I still need one gas car as well for longer trips. But i bet my thoughts would be different if i had the model y and not the id4 because of the charging network.
Dont get me wrong i still can do the longer trip but playing the roulette game of will it connect or not with electrify america when i just want to charge for 20 mins and get home sucks.
5:54 One factor that most analyses of EV depreciation fails to account for the fact that the prices for EVs in 2022 was absurdly high. However since then prices have declined to a more reasonable level which for those who purchased at the peak have experienced the dramatic decline. I would argue that EV depreciation will decrease to more moderate levels going forward. A factor that could inhibit this could be the continued innovation with new battery technologies that could make older EVs less desirable or even obsolete.
I wouldn’t ever go back to gas 😂
The best thing about EV's is that they identify idiots.
Buy an EV you're stupid. Buy a used EV and stupid doesn't even cover it.
You couldn't have said it any better.. EV'S IDENTIFY IDIOTS..🤡
Saving stupid amounts of money
Well well well, looks who's come crawling back 😂
Pretty much nobody
I went back to the gas turbo Highlander after having a hybrid. Not worth the loss of driving enjoyment.
You should try driving in EV, it's very nice
I'm all for there being options out there. I just don't have any interest in changing the type of car I've been driving for decades, and my only problem will be if I get forced into them because CAFE rules get so strict a sedan can't have any gas engine at all. Already we went from 8 cylinders down to 6, then down to 4, and now some are even getting down to 3. I think there is room for both powertrains on the market in the long term. There's no reason it has to be all or nothing.
Honestly the answer to the carbon emissions and oil dependence problem was always to sack up and ride scooters and bikes. There should be like a school program where kids 16+ in HS can ride 50cc vespas as an elective and after a school year get a license for scooters up to 450cc. The other side of the planet has kids riding motorscooters in the Asian hemisphere. Spain is like this too. Why do Americans uniquely need such large domiciles on wheels all the time?
Because it's designed that way. Schools are far away from homes and parents don't feel safe enough to send their kids out alone.
Because the United States is an order of magnitude larger than European or Asian countries with a fraction of the population density. Drive for 30 minutes in Europe and you're halfway across the country, drive for 30 minutes in the US and you're in the next town. We don't all live on top of each other in cities. Scooters and bikes can't be ridden in bad weather and have almost no carrying capacity.
@@bwofficial1776 China is a bigger country than the USA and Bikes and scooters don't just melt in the rain. You can absolutely ride in the wet and dress for it.
Walk, live in a medieval village, raise your own food
After 51,000 miles gas free, I will never go back to gas for my daily. However my fun car is an nb1 Miata, 5speed, LSD, hard dog roll bar. Point is both have their place
The opposite of being an environmentalist....
The right tool for the job, yes sir!
All the automotive experts are saying ev resale values are plummeting. Im trying to buy a used ev and everything decent is still expensive.
Who plugs in their phone and watches it charge ?? Same goes for EVs
One thing EV lovers dont understand is EVs are not convenient for the avg person. Not everyone owns a home with a garage and much less people one to spend on modifying their home to add fast charging.
On top of that most people I know who own EVs also have another gas powered car or hybrid.
This is the result of government trying to force the hand of the market.
Myself I am waiting for EV prices to come down, like Chinese level down cause these are pretty much smartphones on wheels.
I agree. I like my EV for what it's worth, but the EV 'fanboys' 'fanatics' 'cult' makes me ashamed, with their obvious vanity plates, being in California. I'd key their car too. They're utterly annoying with how they think, and act surprised there's a coalition of people (and growing) that are sick of their smugness.
I have a garage ... and I could afford a charger installation. But I can't afford to replace my house and all contents when the EV catches fire and burns it all down. 🔥
@@seanthompson8071 You have a much higher chance of your gas car going up in flames than an EV
Can you gas up your ice engine at home?
@@sprockkets i highly doubt that. Source?
EV/Battery vehicles are trash 🗑️..🤮
Unless you ask someone that's owned one
@@rp9674 I never ask for a fool's opinion...😝
I have a Tesla, but if I didn't have charging capabilities at home I'd trade it in for a gas car, but I get 10 hours of free electricity every night (9pm-7am), and I have non EV vehicles for road trips.
Houston to Orlando, I got about 1000 miles range in my 2023 Sienna Ltd (in car tank 640 mi + 360 mi (two 5 gal cans in the trunk) EVs can't do that. Hahaha....Btw, thank you Kirt for the exceptional contents and dedication to the automotive news and updates. Thank You.
Sorry I miss typed "Kirk"
All EV owners know how gassers work, we've owned them, we stay with EVs for a good reason, saves a lot of money, very nice ride
I own a car and, even though I like EV's, I would not buy one. I rather change my gears while driving. Thank you for this upload.
More for me
So where are all those guys who told me that I was full of 💩 for saying that full BEVs were not even close for mass adoption and usage?
I wouldn't say full, depends on your definition of mass
... and your location, Burbank California is EV central, it's like a look into the future
The lack of a charging infrastructure prevents even my home owning father from considering even a plugin hybrid
NOT A PROBLEM IF YOU BUY A TESLA. DON'T SAY EVS. SAY NON TESLA. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE. GAS CARS AND HYBRIDS ARE A JOKE. WE OWN 2 TESLAS. BUY A 2019 MODEL 3 USED FOR 25K AND IT CAN DRIVE YOU WHILE YOU WATCH. ALL OTHER CARS ARE HORSE AND BUGGIES. WE CAN TRAVEL ALL OVER THE US WITH OUR TESLA WITH NO PROBLEM. ARE ARE ILL INFORMED OR CLUELESS.
Too bad, it's nice
I genuinely considered an EV… I currently have a 2007 Lexus LS460L. I can easily go 500 miles on one tank of fuel. It takes minutes to fill up. I recently went to Oklahoma from California and back. It took 23 hours with only stops for fuel and food each way. Could you imagine how much time that would have added if I had an EV? I’ve gone from California to Washington, California to South Dakota etc. I only get so much vacation time every year, I don’t want to add days to a trip because I have to charge my car. I even recently went on a trip to the sequoia national forest in California. The hotel I stayed at in the park was literally ran on a diesel generator. There was no EV charging there. I just don’t think EV’s fit every lifestyle. Additionally, my car has nearly 200,000 miles. Maybe a delicately cared for battery could last that long but I doubt it. So I’d most likely have spent money to replace the battery by this point in time. Also, my commute used to be 180 miles a day, sometimes I visit and check in with my grandparents, making my total miles driven in one day over 300 miles. That means I’d have to charge my car on top of commuting and visiting family, I’m tired, I wanna go home and relax. Also my household has 4 cars, 2 park on the street, where would they charge? As for a used EV, how do I know the exact health and state of the battery? It could be good today and be bad tomorrow.
An EV doesn't sound like it's for you. Really what people need is consumer choice. The biggest benifit of an EV is cheap electricity at home, and always waking up with ~250 miles. If that isn't suitable, then EV infrastructure isn't there yet. It will be. One day. But not now. Till then, I will say now that on average the batteries outlast the cars (or have been the case for about 10 years now) which I think is cool, but makes sense if you think that all manufacturers warranty a battery for 8 years or 100,000 miles which is more than you'll ever get for a combustion car. As someone that used to own a gas car and switched to electric about 10 years ago, I would never go back, technology is always improving. And one day a consistent 500 mile EV will be possible. It costs too much right now though. But as I say, one day.
I plug in my EV in my driveway at night, it's charged in the morning. If you spend 10 hours a day in your car and don't take many breaks, maybe Eevee's aren't for you
I've got my Watermelon Jolly Ranchers and my Coke Zero !!! Let's go !!! At 2:50, we all must wake up. All federal spending, our tax dollars and printed money, are subsidies given to maximize profits for corporations and the military industrial complex. Biden's $7.5 billion National Electric Vehicle Infrastructure program yielded only 8 new EV charging stations. Where did the rest of the money go? To CEOs, suits, shareholders, and lobbyists. Just last week the Biden administration gave Microsoft, a company worth $3 trillion, $3.3 billion to build infrastructure in the U.S., under the ruse that the subsidy would provide thousands of American jobs. Why doesn't Microsoft use their own trillions they made through illegal monopolies to fund their own infrastructure and provide jobs? What happened to capitalism? Fox News, CNN, and MSNBC were happy to gaslight the American people. The oligarchy is mocking the masses and there's nothing we can do.
You forgot to blame Ukraine for Getting attacked by Russia.
Without those large companies you claim, there would be no jobs at all. They are providing jobs. You aren't owed anything, if you want a job go find one instead of expecting things to be handed to you.
EV charging networks can never be economic. Just apply a little bit of common sense. Firstly they are space inefficient due to the long refueling time, which limits where you can put them at sufficient scale to have an attendant guarding them from vandalism and generating the extra revenue from the convenience store. A refueling convenience store can not be profitable in the same small space as it can with gas refueling due to the much lower throughput of customers. Also fast charging power loads requires trunk grid connections which simply do not exist everywhere, else as more vehicles charge simultaneously the available power drops and all vehicles charge slower. Tesla is subsidized by selling carbon credits, which is just government redistribution. IOW an uneconomic, failure-directed paradigm.
People forget that the best gas station for EVs, is actually at home.
As for EV charging out and about, the biggest issue with charging is that you've got to have a network that's avaliable, cheap, and fast. Even with a developing charging network, I've only had a problem once with charging in the time I've been driving an EV. And as for electric infrastructure, if you really believe we can't build new shit then idk what you think we do. 40 years ago electrical infrastructure couldn't support the amount of people we have today, what did we do? We built bigger systems.
@@DS9FANINDADEFIANT you did not understand the economic invariants. It has nothing to do with capability. If you can not even understand the argument, then you can not make a coherent rebuttal. Money does not grow on trees amigo. If something is not economic, then all the capability in the world can not sustain it.
That’s why you lease if you’re unsure. I traded in my 22 awd pilot for a 24 Nissan Ariya engage+ eforce. Best thing I’ve ever done. No gas, I have solar and home charger. I wake up with a full battery, most of the time I don’t even need to charge for a few days. The pilot was plagued with problems strut need to be replaced at 5k miles. replaced the rack & pinion because they thought that was the problem, which wasn’t the problem…. The problem was some frame bolts under the vehicle weren’t tightened which was causing clunking/popping noise. On top of that the engine/transmission had some weird sound when the vehicle is first started that day…… I was so over oil changes, differential fluid changes. Engine air filter changes, then at 100,000 it would cost 2,800 for Honda 100,000 miles service. The pilot had 28,000 miles, every day I was worried what would break next.
It’s not for everyone. I like to have different cars every 2-3 years so leasing is perfect for me. Plus it kills negative equity that you may owe on current vehicle. I truly feel like combustion engines are a thing of the past after getting out of an ev into fossil fuel. That’s just MY opinion.
No Logic. If EVs were bad, then why is EU so afraid of Chinese EVs.
EVs are popular in my city/country due to the high price of fuel $10/gal and they are trendy.
Which city?
where?
Charging concerns? Charging concerns will be the least of your problems when your EV catches on fire a few months after its been in a small accident. Or high about those intense burning flames from the EV batteries? God forbid if you get into a significant accident and you find yourself injured and stuck in one of those things. Say no to EVs! There's nothing wrong with hybrids.
lmao you think hybrid battery is fire proof?
@@busetgadapet hybrid batteries are far smaller than ev batteries
Gas cars are much more likely to catch fire. Ivonne EVs 5 1/2 years, it's nice
ANY product that people do not want, are doomed to fail🇺🇸
People don't want things that don't exist we can't buy things that aren't available, we could be driving cars with steel dashboards no seat belts and no airbags or crumple zones
I have a nice garage ready to host an EV minivan (or Sienna prime) when one is available. I'd love the convenience of having vehicle to load (bidirectional charging) in the infrequent circumstances when our power goes out. I would also be happy to replace my commuter car with an EV, but the 2004 Toyota Camry is still going strong.
F.J.B. and his EV’S
Let's Go Brandon!!
😊😊
Excellent!
I'm voting for Biden lol. Fck the cult 😂😂😂
2:59 "Just under 1 Billion dollars per station, thats another tick for Bidenomics for you. Well done everyone 👏
Not true
I drove my ICE to California in 2020 from east coast and became surrounded by EVs. I thought about buying an EV but my closest family is farther than the ranges of anything affordable. Plus my suv is manual so nothing new can replace it.
Loving this dropping of EV values. Looking forward to upgrading from my Bolt to an actually NICE EV in a year or so. Thinking the RZ450 of EV6 GT will be a great step up. I have other gas cars if I need them. Family car is a 2018 top spec Atlas, it does great!