Why Dragon Age Fans are Upset
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2024
- With 144k dislikes to only 30k likes, it's clear that the new Dragon Age: The Veilguard trailer has upset the Dragon Age Community. Here are my thoughts on why I think this is and my thoughts on the trailer and future of Dragon Age in general.
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I think the biggest reason people got upset was time. People have been giving Bioware the benefit of the doubt for around fifteen years now. "Bioware magic" and all that. So the trailer just so happened to be the straw that broke the camel's back and it blew up harder than it did on both Anthem and Andromeda. That's my interpretation at least.
Frfr ppl have crazy expectations sometimes😢
Because the trailer sucked. We were let down because the trailer sucked. I’m not saying the game will suck, but the trailer sucked.
@@danwoods8195 expecting the game to have the same vibe and themes as the rest of the series isn't asking for the moon on a stick.
We're not upset because we had to wait this long for Dragon Age and that the trailer sucked (which it did, but not for the reasons you think). We're upset because we were expecting Dragon Age, not Fortnite/Overwatch lookalike trailer with comical relief and Pixar characters (even the monsters looked cartoony). The only thing I see of Dragon Age is the one shot where the dragon roars with the statues in the background (looked cool :) ). Even when the logo was revealed for BioWare it just looked upbeat... same with the music and character intros and the humour. NOTHING about it is like Dragon Age. Look at all of the other trailers from Dragon Age franchise (and I mean all of them and you will get what I mean).
@@srevdar Not quite what I meant but I understand your point. It's not the wait but everything that happened during the wait. Andromeda, Anthem, constant rumors of live service DA4, constant rumors of marvel tier writing in DA4, etc. Then you get a trailer that shows that it's still that live service, Marvel-esque style of game and it was the perfect recipe for a PR disaster.
Im waiting until tomorrow to see the gameplay reveal, and trying to not be too judgemental. That "Fortnite does Dragon Age" trailer though, was a big misstep - I mean that's what you chose as your first look? Sheesh.
I'm also waiting for the gameplay, in the trailer there was a warning game engine footage not all images appear in game so I'm kinda hanging on the tiniest thread of hope that it will look more like dragon age
I agree! Trailers are meant to dramatize and pull interest from many different types of people. I am so excited to see the gameplay tho!
I saw some people have posted a sneak peak of the game play and it looks fine but that trailer really could have been done better.
@@turquesa_8056 yup I found it on the twitter. It’s like a 25 second clip showing off the game! Trailers are like book covers tho. If you look at ESO their trailers are purely cinematic and gameplay doesn’t resemble it at all. But I agree the trailer was “different.”
Same. Personally, I'm holding my tongue until I play the damn thing myself, because who am I kidding ofc I'm buying it lmao. I'm simple, if I can look hot and have great hair it'd be hard to upset me.
Regardless of the game itself, I 100% agree this trailer was NOT a good choice for a first look. I think there's plenty to get excited for as a Tevinter Nights and side stories reader. I mean, I gasped when I saw Lucanis.
I just think it'll be better than we expect, I wanna believe it. Sigh. At least expectations are low, that'll help it be better if it's good at all LMAO.
If I didn't know it was a Dragon Age trailer going into it, I would've assumed that it was a patch or event for Overwatch 2 or Fortnite.
If you take the time to look at the actual game play you won't be disappointed. They live UP to the Dragon Age name!
@@AeschylusShepherd no, no it doesnt.
it looks like they didn't show the face of the leader because that would be the playable character?
Most probably - but wouldn't it be fun if he were Solas? :)
The “Leader” is named Rook and we can’t see his/her face because he/she is going to be a customizable character.
@@samflood5631 You can see his face on the picture at 11:42. The guy in the front, thats the main character. I just hope we will be able to make our own one tho. And hopefully be able to choose another class and race as well. If I can't play a dwarf warrior, I'm not playing this.
Whilst entirely coincidental, there is a ten year gap between the events of Trespasser and the start of Veilguard.
Well said!! I think this trailer was a very stylized way to show off the characters in the game and not a reflection on the game itself. I hope peeps will wait for the gameplay video that was promised before passing judgement.
This game is still on Frostbite, but it is their last one. All others will be made using Unreal.
I hope this trailer hasn’t pushed too many people away from the game. At this point BioWare can’t afford any losses and putting out a trailer that ended up being this divisive doesn’t look good. I hope further info and reveals will make up for it. I want the team to succeed so we can continue to get good games and end up with a great Mass Effect product once they can move to work on it more
Correct, let’s not dwell on the negative and instead focus on the positive.
No it not just the trailer, it things like union busting, firing quality control enmass just at a critical point in games design when quality control matters most. It is promoting a beloved character but fire the lead writer of that beloved character. And the fact that bad trailers have never lead to a good game. That is what will drive people away from it.
I think I’m just worried about the art style, can’t really explain why it just turns me off. I just replayed inq and the graphics still hold up and are just perfect. I feel like dragon age should be sorta dark gritty and real, not cartoon and goofy. Gameplay will really show what it’s about. Time will tell
Well, if I had a problem with Inquisition graphics it was, most of the time they weren't grim enough...
I completely agree, Kate. I spoke about it to a friend today and said that I will be reserving judgment until I can see the actual game play. Still very excited!!
Kate - You need to watch the game play tomorrow on Tuesday! It will LIVE UP to the NAME Dragon Age!
They also showed a 20sec in game trailer on twitter 30min ago
Just seen it, it looks gorgeous. I'm very much looking forward to seeing the full gameplay reveal tomorrow
@@N7KateI was devastated when I saw the trailer. However, that 30 second clip restored some hope for me. It looked really good.
Thank you, very useful indeed. That was... quite better.
@@Aquarat86 The animations look much worse than Inqusition tho. They were so smooth and realistic in DA:I. They look wonky and choppy in that short gameplay clip.
It looks the same Varrics has lost his blond locks for black hair shot with gray. It still looks cartoonish, but it was only 20 seconds and 2 characters Rook and Varrics.
I'm new to DA so can't confirm it myself but read comments on DA's channel that the trailer is from Varric's POV so it is narrated the way he writes his book? If that's the case that is actually genius bc it's a wink towards old fans but his lighter tone helps addressing new potential ones. If the game is this nuanced, it'll be great. Until the trailer I was only rooting for DA bc of ME, but now I can't wait to play it!
Just watch the trailers from the original DA. They’re darker and grittier. This trailer look like Overwatch.
Just saw the 20 sec teaser gameplay on the Dragon age Twitter and I'm not worried one bit.
If the game doesn't look like this trailer or have those vibes then why would they promote the game like that? Bioware has enough problems with flop after flop. They don't need to promote their next game falsly when people are already sceptical at best.
Dragon Age Inquisition wasn't exactly what I'd call a "dark fantasy" yet it won GOTY. I know people want that Dragon Age Origins tone back, and that's understandable. Also, people moaning about the humor, but it's Varric narrating, and he's always been a humorous character. That doesn't mean the game as a whole is gonna be "funny". Their main showcase is tomorrow, so I'm saving judgement
@@Geohillierneo As someone that works in marketing - it's very common that marketing deviates from the tone of actual products based on very different type of research and skillsets than the actual product/game making team. So personally I think it's very plausible, even if it sounds silly. I think it was a poor marketing choice, but that might not extend to the game itself.
Kate, this game was not made by the original creators of DA
David Gaider isn't there Mike Laidlaw isn't there. Brent Knowles who directed DAO isn't there. Heck they got rid of their long time employees several months probably because they had been there a long time and were making too much money.
If you take the time to look at the actual game play you won't be disappointed. They live UP to the Dragon Age name!
@@AeschylusShepherdit really doesn't. I had a big long thing typed out, but at the end of the day, it's not you I'm upset with, so I'm not going to rant at you. Just know that no, for a lot of people, the gameplay release did not deliver what fans were wanting. I wish I could say otherwise, I've been a DA fan since Origins. I've loved this series so deeply. I feel like a dear friend has died.
@@elissacousland44I’ve been a fan since origins and the gameplay trailer has me so hyped, we’re so back.
I don’t care what the haters say, I’m still going to buy this game for my PS5 during the Fall of 2024. A lot of people hated both Dragon Age 2 and Dragon Age Inquisition, but that didn’t stop me from playing both games a lot of time.
The Veilguard trailer looks like some EA marketing executive saw the trailer for that Chris Pine D&D movie and was like "Do that, but with Dragon Age characters."
That being said, one trailer doesn't mean the game is bad or anything and people on the internet should probably calm down.
So spot on lol
The face Kate makes when talking about the frostbite engiene is great lol
Your review was sincere and very fair. Like you, I am holding off on my assessment or judgement of the game until I see the actual in-game graphics. People are quick to judge with first impessions which is understandable and the devs maybe could have taken that into account, but often trailers are not a true indication of what the game will look like. Regardless of that, I am confident that the story, and the character development will be as awesome as we expect for Dragon Age
Ugh. What a great video covering all perspectives of peoples view points. I personally am very excited and don’t jump to conclusions until I see the gameplay. I will say the graphics look better than inquisitions by quite a bit. I do wish they showcased the companions a bit better, but I guess that’ll be the fun part of discovering who I want to have on my team!
Even the soundtrack for this trailer doesn't sounds "right". Probably we'll see variations of this trailer made by older fans to show what they expected.
origins had 30 seconds to mars and marlyn manson 2 had metal rock music too this sounds like generic pop music
Dragon Age trailers always had mainstream music playing, this isn’t new nor representative of the actual game.
Every Dragon Age game has been fundamentally different.
Thankfully the gameplay teaser has done a good deal to calm people down. It was just a poor choice to put the 'fizzy' trailer up first.
The thing I don’t like about people complaining about the art style is that it seems like games that aren’t trying to be ultra realistic will fail, at least that’s the propaganda they’d have you believe. I think it mostly has to do with diversity (which is irrational) and people pushing agendas that put the game in a bad light. I love that BioWare doesn’t discriminate and tries hard to be inclusive, I think it’s why they’re successful and that makes conservatives upset.
The thing is, while of course ''anti woke'' groups will use this game as another temper tantrum excuse, they wont affect sales. Because they are not the majority of the already established fanbase of dragon age. Dragon age had gay/diverse options from the get go. Anyone who has a 0 tolerance policy for gay or any kind of diversity in female characters or skin tones would not play or support this game franchise at this point regardless what DA4 would look like. My point, while this diverse cast will draw negative attention from a certain crowd, chances are this crowd isn't currently playing dragon age anyway and will influence a total of 0 sales wise.
The people who ARE playing dragon age however are also pretty upset with a lot they have been shown. Dragon age has a large diverse fanbase, and that fanbase is not upset with the casts diversity, but with a long list of other things. Art style change, tonal shifts, fewer and not controlable party members, only 3 ability slots. There are some complaints about character design (but more in the sense of that they look to safe/generic/not memorable) and that all of them just seem to samey in the sense that all of them are portrayed as cool in some way. Very guardians of the galaxy. Which is not a feeling everyone relates too. It feels to action hero and a bit immersion breaking, which makes it harder for people to connect to these characters or care about them.
Long story short. Yes there are conservatives who are upset. But these are not the people bioWare needs to be carefull. Their established community is also not impressed right now. And that is bad news for them. of course it's wait and see until the game is actualy for sale to see if the established fans who are upset with the new trailers are a majority or a minority. Right now though In my personal circle I know 2 other people who love DA. One is a super fan of origins who's passion got me to try the games and turned me into a fan as well. That friend has no hate, but also no hype for the game after seeing the trailers, when before it was his most looked foreward to game of the last 10 years. My other friend also is dissapointed. Not to the same degree, but enough to make it go from top 3 most anticipated games of 2024 to not being on the list at all anymore.
It's not fair to imply that diversity alone is why people are complaining about artstyle. Because again, the fanbase of dragon age has been pretty diverse from the get go. I think most people genuinely just dont like the art style for a dragon age game. Another game fine, but not dragon age. I'm in that boat at least.
DATV is on Frostbite (supposed to be the last one though.)
As for Varric well he was born 9:1 Dragon and Tresspaser was 9:44 Dragon. Add to the stess Varric would have with the shit he has been through for the past one or two decade yeah dude is going grey
Another reason I think the Trailer fails is in how spread out all this new information is. Rather then having it all out in one go it is several days across this whole week. (Also really should have told us about this community council and what role it played in the development, having it is a good idea but man not telling us through offical channels caused it get overshadowed by the trailer.)
I don't think the initial gameplay helped with the party being at level 1 showing little in the way of abilities. The demons were a bit strange in appearance. I wasn't a fan with the faint red AOE markers as potential easy to miss. (for me at least lol)
Yeah I really think they should have shown some gameplay from later on in the game. That way they could have showcased more abilities and also combos and use of the wheel with your companions. I hope they will have good colour blindness support in place for you, I assume they will do
We know from one of the side stories I think, that this takes place 10 years after inquisition. I actually really love Varric's new look, though I do wish he was still a bit of a red head haha. I agree he does look different, hair color changes a lot. I wish it was Veilgaurd over The as well.
Idk how to feel. the Trailer tonal shift is horrendous, but I'm holding my tongue. They're gonna be trickling out stuff until release it seems. So I'm a bit cautiously excited. The art they released helped me feel a lot better about it. Having read Tevinter Nights, the comics, the side stories, helped as well in keeping my faith on the tone. Also hearing Ghil has been on this 'council' also helps. No idea how it'll be, we'll see!
Great video my friend and let you know that I still haven't played Dragon age games yet but I do own the 1st 2 games on xbox and the other one on pc.
I love the way you don't completely harp on anybody saying negative things, I don't like the art style, I love the game the only reason I criticize is because I do love the game. That said I'll live with it and at the same time the fortnite or 'immature' look the game has could bring in a younger generation of fans so there's a plus to that.
It's got Ocean's Eleven vibes, I like it. Still, we'll get gameplay tomorrow and see the real tone of the game.
Great video!! ❤
The trailer said in-game footage. And it looked too cartoony for an rpg. But still hopefull as Bioware fate depends on it.
To see something dragon age you said dam I must have missed that
My mind is very open, my wallet is not. I'll buy the game if I think it's worth it, I'm not going to buy it just because I've been a Bioware fan since 1998 original Baldur's gate.
The trailer is awful in my opinion and it shows they're either completely out of touch with the DA vibe and the fans OR they made this trailer when the game was still a live service project and EA didn't want to waste more money on another trailer.
In any case the backlash is well deserved and people have the right to express their dislike for the trailer. We'll see if today's gameplay showcase can grant BioWare some much needed redemption.
The initial trailer worried me but the gameplay preview they showed on twitter today, gave me faith in the game again.
Every gamer with sufficient experience can see with ease that this is an instant flop.
I'm not gloating over the demise of BioWare, Dragon Age Origins was my first RPG and my favourite to this day. I'm rather mournful of the situation we are right now.
I immediately felt disappointment along with being sick to my stomach. This is going to bomb.
Right there with you. Never seen a poor trailer lead to great game. I seen great trailers lead to a bad game but never the other way. Why because trailers are easy compared to whole game.
Hey I love what you did with your hair!
Frostbite was a pain to mod - I've seen that with ME Andromeda. So if they move to Unreal and it'll be easier to mod on PC, it's only a positive shift in that regard. Varric got a bit too dark hair, although he's still recognizable, but I'm wondering just like you how much time has passed between DAI and Veilguard considering how they've aged him.
I'm not gonna lie and say I am not concerned after seeing this trailer. The art style really threw me off with the tone of the trailer. However, I am trying really hard to stay optimistic and wait for the gameplay. If the gameplay is good and the story stays relatively serious with the overall story of the Dreadwolf, I believe I can overlook a lot of things like the change in art style. I think if they released some promotional material for the more darker aspects of Veilguard's story, they maybe able to come back from this bad marketing choice.
Watching this thing they call a "trailer" just makes me furious. I still have the original CD's of Dragon Age Origins, so I have played this series for a long, long time. Our beloved Varric doesn't even look like himself. The trailer looked more like a cheer squad. It felt like a slap in the face for those of us who have played the series.
The art style reminds me of fable especially the necromancer.
Ive watched the grey warden trailer again yesterday, then i watched inquisition and vailguard..... how is this even the same franchise? They went from badass to tameass.
Tonal shift, character design... I have to say I was genuinely shocked by the trailer and my first thought was this was a Fortnite cooperation, and then "that's it, Bioware is dead".
The gameplay trailer, to my own surprise, got me out of that feeling of total doom, it looks a hundred times better. But I'm not over it, for me personally Bioware's writing and character design declined a lot during the series to the point I'm not interested in the characters anymore. Everyone's introduced as a master of their trade, the absolute superhero and Mary Sue, with a flashy introduction cutscene where they show off their best move, say an ultracool thing, everyone looks impressed - and once in the party you have to revive them constantly. ;) Then follows the usual formula.
I miss the hero journey, the lowkey characters, a little subtlety and less powerfantasy. Maybe that's why Harding was such a fan favourite, but when did she turn from shy and socially awkward to this new level of cool? Well, maybe it'll get explained.
TL;DR - I don't trust Bioware's writing anymore, and that's sad to say about the studio that once set the gold standard - but others have simply taken over and are miles ahead with character writing and even meaningful romances now while Bioware seems to be stuck and just tries to make them look cooler.
I'm still gonna give this game a fair shake and probably play it on or soon after release, but the excitement isn't really there anymore. Well, one huge plus is that at least it isn't the open busywork of Inquisition, I still have a burnout from it. :)
Definitely looks way too cartoony/overwatchy. I couldn't put my finger on what I didn't like to begin with but managed to reduce it down to mainly music choice (go and re-watch it with a bit of the DAI main theme playing in the background feels like a completely different trailer), some of the new character design feels more like it'd be at home in divinity original sin and some of the UI and sparkly particle effects just feel off to me.
From a marketing point of view if you have to go post concept art and release the community council to deal with the the trailer response then you've failed, there's no nice way to put it.
I'll be waiting to see the gameplay footage on the 11th but this hasn't excited, hyped me up or even made me curious about the game only left me quite apathetic, and that's coming from someone who has pre-ordered the collectors/signature/inquisitor editions for all the other games and been waiting 10 years for more DA.
I kind of like the music to start with, David Bowie's “Heroes”, but at the end when the choir start to sing it feel so out of touch with what happen on screen. Almost as if they have the greatest time ever trying saving the world from hell.
The ton of this trailer does not matter at all. This not a different engine. it's still frostbite. The story and the Gameplay will win or lose the day
I know its not the same developers. But didnt the creator of tekken 8 say the same thing about waiting for gameplay before judging and then after the reviews came out he added a microtransaction store to the game? In this day and age nothing excites me about these big name games because 9.9/10 times theyre always gonna include a bunch of crap thats gonna drag the game down
It’s not the art style that will kill this game it will be the story and dialogue.
We haven’t seen any of it.. so we can’t judge just yet!
I can live with a weird art style if the rest of the game is good.
If you take the time to look at the actual game play you won't be disappointed. They live UP to the Dragon Age name!
I expect stunningness and bravery
idk to many DA players that wanted Disney style heroes.
I'm still confident it will come out in 2025.
Dragon Age looks like Fable and Fable looks more like Dragon Age. How the turntables
If you take the time to look at the actual game play you won't be disappointed. They live UP to the Dragon Age name!
@@AeschylusShepherd How much are biowEAr paying you to schill?
At this point EA/BioWare is guilty until proven innocent. If they've made DragonAge: Overwatch? That's fine, but I'm not going to buy it. I'm not "excited" about anything BioWare is doing today, because I've spent years being burned by them. A gameplay trailer isn't going to do it. Once it's out and people whose opinions I trust have played it? Then, maybe I'll get excited, and maybe they'll earn my money. Right now? My worst fears have been reinforced.
If you take the time to look at the actual game play you won't be disappointed. They live UP to the Dragon Age name!
I am not one who thinks graphics make or break a game, I'll wait til the gameplay trailer, but honestly I'm hyped for it
The game looks like every other game to me, i guess im not stuck on the past games needing to be identical to them to be liked.
I hope this is more of a bait and switch type of trailer. Meaning trying to get some Fortnight fans with this trailer, but the game play/visual effects will be what we are used to. If not, I’ll just have to pass on it and continue to be jacked up for Gears of War E Day
It feels very Overwatchy and MOBA. I get that they're trying to evolve the game - "take it to the next level". But that trailer reminds me of League of Legends more than Dragon Age. Spot on that the tone is way off from this dark fantasy world. Love the upgraded graphics in the trailer. If the games graphics are at a comparable level, that will be awesome. But the trailer's tone & graphic titles feel off-brand.
The where we going to find character is probably the player character. Their face is covered so they could be any of the races male or female.
The tone wasn't serious.
DA has always been very serious.
That art reminds me of Astartes which is a warhammer fan made movie. Not accusing the trailer of copying it but the end of the fan made movie does have some similarities with this trailer and the fan movie btw was made several years ago. Astartes is a very beloved fan made movie.
As you mentioned some people have been allowed to play a little of the game so as to give Bioware feed back and they seem to think the game is going to be fine.
I think a lot of us are skeptical. There's the anti-woke people who don't like the director. I am ambivalent about that.I don't think it matters but some people do. There;s EA getting Bioware to lay off staff some of whom have been there for years. There's the problems with severance and benefits the laid off people were suppose to get and weren't getting and they sued/filed complaints against Bioware. And EA is still EA with that empty suit Andrew Wilson still being CEO. So all those add doubts.
I promised myself I would not buy another Bioware game. I did not buy the Mass Effect remaster that came out several years ago although I am a big Mass Effect fan.
Lady Insanity has been a BioWare fan for years .Her and her friends. I don't have a problem with these community people. If they like the game fine.I hope it is good. If it fails EA may cut the leash so as to speak. EA is well known to kill studios.
I doubt I will change my mind and buy the game. It would have to be on the same level as BG3 for me to change my mind and buy it and I doubt it can achieve that.
Good luck.
EA no aprendeeeee maaaas cada vez que cambien un juego a un tono mas comico fracasa rotundamente y cuando mantienen el mismo esquema es un exito, me da la impresion de que los ejecutivos de EA no son muy inteligentes a la hora de dar directivas para un juego
Had the character models been "realistic" (like the other games) and not Fortnite looking ones, same animation, same music, it would have been much better accepted. The environments look okay, but the characters seem off in comparison.
Unlike everyone else, I didn't care about the "tone" of the trailer. For all we know, it has no reflection whatsoever on the game. It was a CG teaser trailer, just showing us the companions and nothing more. Why get all up in arms about that?? How do any of these people know that the game won't still be dark? Let's save our judgement til the showcase tomorrow, ya know, when we ACTUALLY see the game 😂
Guess we will get a better idea tomorrow. .With all of the changes and shifts in direction and the amount of time they have been dicking around with this game..well hoping for the best but honestly not expecting it.
If the trailer is actually different in tone than the game then the marketing team should be fired.
Gearing the trailer to casuals is one thing and good business model, however if the game is completely different than what the trailer advertises they'll be very disappointed, ask for refunds, give crap reviews and get a negative opinion of the franchise and company. And at the same time they are upsetting and probably alienating the fanbase who might not even give the game a chance.
Basically they're screwing the game before it even releases.
I'm withholding my final judgement on the game until I see that game play footage tomorrow but I can say if the game does look and feel the same as this trailer cartoonish and less serious then the Dragon Age franchise will be dead to me and I have every intention of not purchasing the game. which I find sad because I love the DA franchise and if DAVG fails then I can kiss Mass Effect goodbye cause EA will likely kill BW.
wait this is dark-fantasy?
So a bunch of youtubers got together and consulted bioware... That doesn't exactly fill me with hope And at this point I really don't think we're getting another mass effect game
You have beautiful Blue sky eyes 😊
The trailer just had the wrong tone and the art direction was a bit off. Worst bit is the Qunari character. Looks too human. The short teaser of the gameplay looked good though. We need to see the gameplay reveal tomorrow and see how it actually looks.
Edit: ITS THE MUSIC!!! It is too uplifting and hopefull... Change the music to something gritier and it probably could have had better reactions.
People are upset because they wanted this and EA/Bioware screwed it up big time. And in a lifetime of gaming I have never, ever seen a game with a bad trailer and then have the game turn out great. I have seen great trailers lead to bad games but never the reverse.
I'm not upset....maybe underwhelmed but we will see more tomorrow. Still gonna wait for reviews. Ppl are super critical already...maybe discounts soon idk🎉🎉🎉🎉 cool eitherway
Tomorrow will dictate whether I pass on this game. Been playing it since 2009 and one of my favorite game franchises really disappointed yesterday.
For me, I didn't mind the graphics. I just felt that the game wasn't being sold. The NPC's were.
All I could see was marketing hoping to get the same reaction for DA:V's NPC's that BG3 got for theirs.
While also doing the 'getting the band together' aspect of the 'Honor Among Thieves' D&D Movie trope.
We learned very little about the game itself. What's the big deal this time. What are the stakes? What is the scope?
Nope, just NPC's doing 'hero shooter' posing and quipping, and social media chatter about who to romance...
I'll reserve judgement for more info, but I don't like when marketing plays to trends instead of appealing with content.
They know deep down the fans would be disappointed. This explains the lack of video game footage throughout the years ☝️
dark fantasy doesnt mean to be horror
The problem I have from the trailer & character design is, that I get Borderland vibes and not Dragon Age (I liked the serious/ dark atmosphere and not what we saw) I hope the gameplay or story trailers will prove me wrong.... or else I need to wait for mods to play.
Where is Dragon Age? This is literally leauge of legends. Or any moba out there.
It literally feels ZERO like Dragon Age and a lot like what the devs want and not what the Franchise is all about. It looks like a bunch of cosplayers are your companions now instead of real people. Now I'm concerned Bioware will get shut down before they can get ME out. Honestly that may be for the best if they make ME like this.
Even with a minor glance at the concept arts. Check out the font used on those concept arts depicting the word "Dragon Age", and then compare that to the cartoon font used in the trailer. World of differences. Who approve this trailer should be demoted.
It's the end of the world but let's have a party. They PG13'd it and if it translates into the gameplay and the story? We're up the proverbial creek. Especially if you like Mass Effect more. DA fails? It will likely take BioWare with it and Mass Effect is never going to happen. Just going to get the rug pulled right out from under it. Dragon Age is still running frostbite which makes the shift even more crazy. Lets not use existing assets and improve upon them. Nope, do it from scratch, change it all! I have an open mind, but this was too jarring to be left unchecked. IMHO if the community council had any pull they would have all told them this trailer would have been a BAD idea. I fully suspect it was EA's doing here.
My wife said she isn't bothered by the art direction just as long as the story is good. And I agree with that. I don't like the art but it isn't bad at all. But if the art takes a 180 what's stopping them from taking the story straight with it? Hoping we get to see some real dark Dragon Age stuff tomorrow at the gameplay trailer. With the community reaction they better add some real stuff to counteract the poison. Because the fortnite messaging just wasn't it.
If this is what they've done with DA, then maybe it'd be for the best if they didn't return to Mass Effect.
The facts are the experienced Devs that created the original 3 are now senior Devs or they have retired after the ten year wait. Since Origins dropped in 2010 to the new DA4 has been 14 years. To be blunt Im not sure that this generation of Devs is capable of the human interaction part of the story. I don't like Varrics look he now looks old and his blond hair is black and streaked with grey. Harding looks like a teenager or barely into her 20s. The Disney look does zero for its appeal.
Most of the original developers left. Brent Knowles who was director of DAO said in an interview that it seemed everything changed when EA bought the company. Almost all department heads resigned. Since then a lot of their replacements have also left. It's not the company it once was.
And companions are SO not appealing to have any romantic relationship with. Execpt maybe one.
A few thoughts. When I saw the trailer I thought it was an add for a game for your phone. Never thought it was the follow up to Inquisition. Secondly the thing for me about Inquisition was not only the story, which I became emotionally attached to, it was the music. The soundtrack was so good i actually bought it. I hope this new Dragon Age doesn’t disappoint.
Another thing is esp the people who romanced solas their first run and solas fans have been hyping up for solas just for them to not only change the name but say 'its not about him' basically, he's going to die, they are going to make him next to nothing or a minor villain or a flea out of the rest of the problems. I knew he wouldn't be the main villain, but the fact the entire thing was dreadwolf, all that lore build up, hearing dread wolf as a slur since da origins, and then this all waiting a decade hyping solas getting this major spot just for being 'yeah its not about him' was he even in the trailer at all? it feels like someone stole the da name, made a fanfic without playing the prior games, and didn't give a heck about the fans. In reality, they could've just made what they wanted here to be a totally different not dragon age games. it feels like they only slammed dragon age on it for the selling/marketing bs.
More of a Borderlands vibe to me.
I keep seeing videos about Bioware going _"Hard Woke,"_ and tbh, with the Cori person championing the _"DA has always been exceptionally queer..."_ line that hurt the game a lot. It certainly didn't tank it, but could it cost them a million sales and a million EA Access subs? Yeah, it could, because after the trailer, the gameplay, and the proudly woke comments, that takes a huge portion of the audience away. The game may be great, and no more _"woke"_ than any of their other projects, but when it is celebrated as a selling point it is a fail. You do not gain more DA customers by taking sides. If there was a Bioware Dev that listed themselves as a Straight Cis Ride'omancer I assume that would irk a handful of people who lean more to the left than a typical gamer...but outside of game journalists it would probably cause far less of an uproar.
I'm hyper-woke sensitive atm, and besides not seeing any attractive women with _"Yikes she is sexy"_ bodies while all the dudes have 6-pack abs (again) I personally did not get the _"Woke"_ vibe from the trailer or the gameplay vid. I did get the _"OK, people made a stink about Inquisition going to far into button mashing RPG styles as opposed to veering back towards the more strategic real-time-with-pause that was Origins. After the commercial and critical success of numerous games in the genre, along with the ridiculous praise towards straight turn-based strategical CRPG's, DragonAge is leaning into...what? Hard action? Ugh, the story better be great because this is not what millions of us wanted."_
We know it is way to late to pivot again, and after almost 11 years, the criticisms of Andromeda about _"Uglifying"_ women, making the men essentially stupid, with the more recent trope of women always having to be slightly more powerful along with a straight white guy being the big bads, there are just so many ways this can be spun into an _"OK, here we go again. Damnit. Stop trying to appeal to a modern audience that does not exist _*_IF_*_ that comes at the expense of the audience that is already loyal."_ I was happy to hear that you can romance any character you like, as in Inquisition for instance, the only character I was really into was, of all people, Sera. Being a guy that was obviously not possible, but hey, such is life.
Back to the gameplay itself...it looks...fine. It's not what I wanted, but it's not God of War-like which would have had me, for the first time in my entire life dating back to Baldur's Gate 1, not buy a Bioware game. Sorry, but I am just not a fan of the new GoW. The combat is far to easy, the puzzles were for people with high 90's IQ's and just above average hand/eye coordination with a mouse and keyboard/controller. Lol, and yes, it did push the "woke" angle far more than it should have, but not to the point where I couldn't ignore it. I simply didn't enjoy the game. Luckily it was short enough for me to plow through. This looks more like AC: Odyssey, which oddly enough, I said in a post a week or so back that if it was going the more action route was something I thought could work in DA as long as we still had companions and Mass Effect levels of control over what they did.
I want another Mass Effect game, so queer lesbian gendermancer or not, I'm buying the stupid game. I don't care if games have a ton of LGBTQIAP+ nonsense in them, again, as long as it does not take away from what the other 95% of players want. Most people aren't from San Fran, Edmonton, Montreal, Boston or New York, so the _"7% Identify as..."_ doesn't hold up when you start interviewing people from outside of these massive college or megatropolis artsy cities. Irl, it is probably closer to 1%, so aiming squarely at the minority and saying _"But we've always been inclusive"_ is idiotic. Things are not inclusive when you have to exclude a huge portion of your fan base. Adding additional things to appeal to a minority is awesome, as long as it does not require *excluding* the majority. Heck, even in Inquisition they made Morrigan's boobs smaller because they did not want her being over-sexualized...except in Origins, that's what she was! If you were not into her, she basically "R" words you for your seed after a failed seduction. Then new people come in who don't understand her and argue with the fricken creator (Dave Gaider) about how he is wrong and coming at it from a white male privilege point of view? Dave Gaider? A gay dude. Is told a character he created is simply wrong because straight guys find her attractive in a sexual way? So the solution? Easy peezy, she had a child and went down from a 34 large C to a 34 small B.
ME Andromeda. They hire Jayde Rossi as Fem Ryder...then they distort her face and make her waist bigger while thickening her neck. Why? Because it is not realistic for a woman to look like her. Irl, it isn't realistic for a trans woman to look like her. That is a horrible standard to set, and I'm pretty darn straight but someone like Blaire White would beg to disagree. Just make the game as a fantasy. Chicks should be silly hot, and boobs are good. Guys, who in the west are 1 in 10K likely to have visible abs after 18-years-old should have them as well. But, don't make all of the men look like an Olympic Gymnast or elite powerlifter while making the women look like someone whom a man could easily cosplay as. Lol, it is a fantasy game. Make everyone silly attractive and call it a day. That would alleviate 90% of the bad press these games get. Again, I'll fall back to Baldur's Gate 3. Super woke if yuo choose to play it that way; but if you want to go the straight sexy route, that's fine too. I didn't notice a bump where the Adam's Apple should be on Shadowheart.
At this point people are so touchy that even a hint of _"If you are queer you will love this game!"_ in the marketing is going to lose the majority of the fan base that follows this game online. We have people appearing on mainstream media saying this game is dead (same with Fable) because of the gender neutral women they keep pushing. Enough is enough. When you design a game for 1% of the actual population, don't be surprised when you get a 75% sales drop off. If you also change the gameplay style people want, again, don't be surprised if people decide to not invest their money in your project. It's not a homophobic thing, it is people finally understanding that when a company implies a game is not made for you, they mean it. Oh, and btw, Corri, or Corinne, wtv...She lists herself as a queer no operation transgender female...isn't that just a guy who cross dresses but likes women? I've been trying to figure it out but am at a loss. Worse, why the heck should that even cross my mind when thinking about a game I have been waiting for over a decade?
I just wanted a followup to Inquisition in more of an Origins style and instead I am wondering about one of the devs pronouns selections...wth?
The more you try to act like you’re a centrist the worse you sound. This is just wild. All I can say is touch grass.
People are pissed because it looks terrible and its Hyper woke with D.I.E.,how long before EA starts calling people buzzwords and telling them NOT to buy their game?
Bigot.
The trailer makes it look like it has the same problem Andromeda had. They at most showed the previous games on a 9 inch screen, through some fog, with no audio, to a brain damaged Joss Weedon fan who only has access to Kevin Smith works, and then told them to make something based on that, but aimed at children.
Frostbite has its issues. I expect the slightly stylised art style is to avoid the 'plastic' uncanny valley 'Andromeda look'
Bioware realse 24 second gameplay on X, and im sorry Bioware that looks sick! im hyped so much
Reminds me of Vox Machina
Dont like the art or style, however, lets wait and see the gameplay.
the reason people are so upset is cos trailers are so easy to make and if they can't make those right.... God only knows what they messed up with gameplay itself.
If theres one thing that doesnt hold up with Bioware's older games, its the character faces and models imo. Im happy we're at least getting modern facial animations etc. Especially if this is made in UE5, I would have been very disappointed if we still had those old school Bioware character models 🤷♂️ According to a graphic novel this takes place about 10 years after Inquisition as well btw.
It’s mostly the Origins boomers that are upset. Like move on, it’s not the 2009 anymore.
I'm sure the game will be ok but the trailer is a huge wtf.
at first, I was not feeling it that trailer did not have that dragon age feel it felt more like saints' row or Fortnite, but I told myself do not judge the whole game off the trailer and wait for gameplay reveal which I got blocked for saying on twitter. Then I am hearing from people who had a chance to play some of it they are saying the game is really good. Then I am hearing all this info and saw the tease of some of the gameplay we are going to see tomorrow, so I feel like my worries are misplace. Never judge a game based on the reveal trailer
It's the obvious DEI suff still being pushed when people are sick and tired of it. That and the tonal shift as well as the cartoonish visuals.
„made for modern audience“
… we are sick of such shit
….If the hundred failed and disliked movies and games from the last few years weren’t enough hint of that
code for pandering to a minority group of people who wont buy are game
@@aceovrzero361Progressive values are what propelled BioWare into popularity. This is not just a bad take, it’s untrue.
What concerns me personally is that the trailer focused far too much on fighting rather than atmosphere, which leads me to believe that it will be an action game with a few RPG elements. I just can't imagine a Dragon Age with this childish look, where demons drive humanoid creatures in the veil mentally insane, where disgusting and brutal brood monsters instill fear in you and tear everything apart in their path, where magicians in the circle go mad and cause a terrible massacre... and not characters who happily hop through the veil as if it were an amusement park, or characters who constantly crack unfunny jokes as if they've come straight from a Marvel film, and not Goofy monsters that look like they're from an animated children's movie... I'd also be interested to know if there's a character editor or if it's a pre-made group... Bioware hasn't done itself any favors with this trailer! I'll wait for the gameplay reveal, but to be honest I don't have high hopes.
Showing a cute little asian sweetie pie jumping out of the Veil with a big ol' smile on her face, followed by a straight up Disney butler looking guy surrounded by cartoony skellies...It was a jarring 1:2 punch. The Veil isn't a cookie jar that you can sneak into for a bit of fun. It's a realm of madness. Like the meme says "one does not simply 'jump' into the Veil."
Is it me or every character except the two dwarves and the old guy have african faces? Even the elf, plus he is black. That's....weird. I'm all in for inclusion but this seems a little bit too much.
I have played many BioWare games. From Mass Effect 1 to Andromeda. From Dragon Age Origins to Inquisition. I really enjoyed the combat in Andromeda but I bought that game on release. The animations and dialogue was terrible. The MP seemed like a step down from 3. Mass Effect was one of my favorite series until Andromeda, and that game really left me feeling like some if the magic was lost.
Then I played Anthem. Game was fun for a bit, but as a looter shooter it had glaring flaws that could not be excused. Anthem was the game that told me the BioWare I loved was no more. I enjoyed Inquisition and I have tepid hope for Veilguard. But that trailer was not what I wanted to see. It seems like a new generation of BioWare marketing people put this out with zero understanding on what the Dragon Age series is about. The Darkspawn in the trailer looked goofy too so I am worried about the final game.