This is such an awesome video to show the differences between non-locked differential and then locked differential on the same trail. Makes me consider a locker way more now, the locker made light work of that incline.
Im going to order one of these in the spring for my 03 Subaru forester. Theres a huge market for this here in beautiful flagstaff az, look forward to taking BLU all the way from AZ---> MT this next year with a locker. I don't have a youtube but I do plenty of off-roading and networking with the community and cant wait to help you sell heaps of these, if its as good as what I see the car with your brand sticker would sell itself. Thank you for finally doing what needed to be done and giving the newish Subaru community an option.
Hello fella, I've got a 3rd gen diesel forester and always wondered how good the torque lockers were and now I know for sure. I remember you fitting one in another video of yours. Neat piece of kit I'd say. Keep making your brilliant videos man. Total admiration from the UK 🇬🇧
Subaru’s legendary AWD systems’ reputation was built off of cars that had an LSD. Now that they don’t have them, they’re just like any other AWD system out there. Fine for the street, mediocre off road. I’m glad someone is addressing this problem. Looks like this locker will be a very low maintenance item compared to the clutch type LSDs. Also better performance than torsen type LSDs.
Most awd systems from other manufacturer are only partial awd. Meaning that they run 2wd until wheel slip occurs. Then the awd kicks in. Other manufacturers also have a power bias meaning that most of the power gets sent to the front wheels. Subaru on the other hand is always in awd and the power is more evenly distributed 50/50.
Normal driving around shouldn't really mess with traction control. Maybe when you break loose it might run into some issue as the rear tires will over turn, yet the programming should be to get a stopped tire moving in which case that won't happen with a torq locker installed, so my thought here is you should be good with respect to traction control. Yet onto stability control if you are not accelerating stability control should be fine again... Yet if you are accerating you may loose stability correction. Yet again if you are accelerating that usually means you are in control of your turn, usually. What would happen is the brake would go on, but instead of just breaking one intendend tire it would brake the entire axel. Not entirely desireable Yet again if you are off the throttle everything should be normal. In the winter I am in the throttle with stability assist aiding on my turns, so this probably wouldn't be so desireable there. I think if offroad is your desire over safety winter driving one of these is a must if you are set on a Subaru, otherwise probably not.
@@mattytreks I took a set off of a 10' jeep jk, fabed up mounts, sweet set of used smittybuilt 400$ for the pair and about 200 in time and materials! 2003 forester xs.
I feel like this has been asked but, I love the bumper on the outback!!! Seeing that I hit a deer this morning, Where can I buy one or is it custom made? Thanks
Funny I ran into your channel by chance Recognized your outback pretty sure you live right down the street from me you have the same rooftop tent as me but my outback is stock not all modded out like yours!
All the 2019 Foresters with CVT have an open One Bolt rear differential. Our TORQ Locker for the One Bolt will be released very soon. Keep an eye on our social media for the release.
Pretty fucking hard to install unless you have a new subi or the 5 bolt. My subit is about 10 years old and the r160 was fused they could not even remove the 1bolt. They had to order new parts and cut it out. So before you buy make sure you get your subi checked out to see if you have hundreds of dollars more on install than you previously thought.
HI D Subie! Check out the YT Channel "Power of your Brains" they have some videos on xmode on, off, and with an without a TORQ Locker. Basically the X mode don't matter after you install a locker. Tire wear depends on type of tire (car vs all terrain) and tire compound. A car tire will wear faster than an all terrain or mud terrain because car tires have less tread.
Torq-Masters Industries thank you-I checked them out too! I appreciate the time and effort you put into your product and this video. What is the different between the one bolt, five bolt and I think magnetic? Dif.
@@freedom_foz_6337 - we can't post photos in replies, but to describe it: look where the axle inserts into the differential. If there is a plate with 5 bolts on the side of the diff that the axle goes into, that's a 5 bolt. If there's a ring around the axle with with looks like 30 teeth, then this is a one bolt. we have a locker model for both styles of differentials, with open differential cases. Limited Slip differentials were available from Subaru in both the one and five bolt. Our locker will not it the LSD cases.
Hello Torq. I know that you are called T-lockers to LOCK wheels for offroad. Your stuff is build for low speeds, high loads, steep inclines, but how does it like high speeds, high rpm, and track day cornering? I'm not a type of guy to be into LSD's solid lockup sounds better. Also doing something for FWD? For example honda civics, camrys, corollas to help in snow. In a hairpin corner, it would unlock, mid turn, then I floor the pedal, inside wheel, which should spin slower, starts one wheel peeling, until inside wheel matches outsides speed and they continue spinnjng together? Did i understood working principle correctly?
@Gedas - there are no horsepower or speed limitations to the TORQ Locker. The Locker will unlock and ratchet on the road when making turns with little throttle applied. The more throttle in the turn the more the locker locks up. If you floor it in the middle of a turn while the locker was ratcheting, you may feel some feedback as the rear tire speeds change to the same speed. For most people, learning and adjusting to the locker is very easy.
There shouldn't be any noticable changes to MPG or tire wear in aggressive tires. Street tires you may see some additional wear over time, but that's yet to be seen. In the Jeep and Truck world where our other customers come from, MPG and tire wear are not a big concern.
Where did you get the front bumper for the Outback I have a 2013 Subaru Outback and I would love to have a bumper like that I just put Anderson Design 2” lift kit on my car
excuse my ignorance folks： does it always lock at a certain torque/rev range？and when driving around a normal road bend do you avoid that torque/rpm range so the diff works normally？
Happy to help. The locker will ratchet at neutral to moderate throttle when making turns on the road. If you stand on the throttle the locker will not ratchet in a corner and both rear tires will spin at the same speed. Depending on your tire type, you can break the tires loose if you try to. Our products are popular with Volvo drift cars in Europe, they get sideways for fun! Drive with a rear locker like you did when it was stock, you will notice some differences here and there, but for most people it is very easy to get accustomed to.
Cory Young I’m the Crosstrek owner and it’s noticeable, but with almost no power to begin with I only have broken the tires loose on gravel and wet painted pavement
Hey torq folks, is this something that can be installed in both front and rear or just the rear? Ive been looking for something like this for years and randomly came across the video today, cant wait to buy one later this year!
@Supermikey610 thanks for the comment! We have not tested a TORQ Locker in the front R160 differential of Subaru's yet.... but for on-road driving it would likely be not recommended to install a front locker. A rear locker is awesome. Some of the folks out there are installing a center diff lock controller to lock torque bias to 50/50 front/rear for offroad use and then switching to 100 front for on road use. Turning their Subaru into a front wheel drive vehicle on the road saved fuel and made the rear locker very, very quiet.
You can’t run it in the front diff because the front diff is not R160. You can run it in the rear R160 diffs but you run the risks of breaking their pencil thin shafts.
How does this handle with going side ways? I’ve been looking for something to act as a rear lsd for my 2018 crosstrek to have fun with playing in snow and mud.
When you are hard on the throttle the locker will act like a spool and power both rear wheels 50/50 torque. This is better than an LSD as it's predictable and reliable.
So what you're saying is that you can run these locked all surfaces unlike a 4x4 SUV say a FJ full time rear wheel with shiftable high low 4wheel. Running locked would be, well bad on non slippery surfaces. What does this do different and do you have a setup for the new Crosstrek 18,19 and soon 20
Hi @Nomad Mav Yes, it's totally OK to drive a Subaru with a rear TORQ Locker on all surfaces, on or off road. We manufacture locking differentials for many SUV's like Jeeps, Toyota's and pick up trucks, all fine for front or rear lockers. The TORQ Locker will ratchet and allow for wheel speed differentiation when turning on or off road. The stock Subaru setup, once you lift a wheel, all the torque goes to the wheel in the air, which is bad. You want torque applied to the wheel on the ground, and the only way to do this reliably is with a locking differential. Yes, we have Subaru Crosstrek models, please check our website for fitment.
@@TorqMastersIndustries that's great news. Im ordering my 2020 manual transmission Crosstrek in November. I'm assuming this will work the same in both CVT and Manual trans. Thank you for the reply.
The TORQ Locker is an automatic locker and works automatically to allow for wheel speed differentiation when you turn - it does this through ratcheting.
@@TorqMastersIndustries So if I understand correctly it takes care of slight differentiation of normal driving through ratcheting, but when there could be significant differentiation such as only one wheel spinning as can happen in an open differential, it locks both wheels together ??
How will turing traction control off affect the lockers? Or does it make it even better for offroad with both? Does the locker clicking noise always stays on or just when the lockers are activating?.
HI JT Check out the TY Chanel Power of your Brains. They shot some nice comparison videos with various Subaru models and their traction control, X mode, etc. You don't need to disable traction control to run the TORQ Locker. The locker makes such an improvement that you won't even think about traction control anymore. The locker only ratchets and clicks when you make turns, driving in a straight line it won't click. Hope this helps - please let me know if I can help with any questions.
How long is this design supposed to last until its effectiveness starts to diminish? Any abuse a user can introduce that will cause premature failure? Also, plz make one for the front diff as well :) Cheers~
The TORQ Locker has no tire size, horsepower or mileage limitations in their 4 year warranty. We've been manufacturing this style of locking differential since 2003 and some of those are still on the road. We use 9310 alloy and heat treat the gears for optimal wear life. I've seen 50,000 miles on a locker and it still looks brand new. As far as premature failure, you are way more likely to break an axle shaft then ever hurt the TORQ Locker. The TORQ Locker could fit the front differential as well, but we do not suggest that for on-road driving due to excessive CV wear.
The clicking from the locker will always be there. The locker will ratchet when you are coasting or at moderate throttle when making a turn, this allows for wheel speed differentiation.
the 2010 3.6R actually comes with a rear LSD as standard, I know because I have one. it will activate when you switch traction control off in those difficult situations
@@estebanjr11 a TORQ Locker does not affect Xmode or traction control. Daily driving you will hear some clicking from the locker when you coast through turns. Other than that there's not much of change. There are some Subaru specific daily driving videos on youtube. Check out the channel "Power of your Brains" for some Subaru specific videos.
@@TorqMastersIndustries all 1 bolt axles are different from all 5 bolt axles? I would have to replace my oem lsd on my 04 Forester with an open diff, so figured getting the quieter one might be worth it?
@@ejayone8184 the locker mechanics are the same between the 1 bolt and 5 bolt, it's the Subaru that's different and which may be causing louder operation in one vs the other. To convert to a one bolt you would likely have to replace wheel hubs, possibly wheels in the rear due to bolt pattern, etc. the track width may be off. alignments may be very difficult, etc. not something I would suggest for the backyard mechanic.
Hi! I'm from Brazil. I couldn't understand the phisical differences between "1-bolt" and "5-bolt" and why "1-bolt" is less louder than "5-bolt". I will be glad for some explanation. Thank you.
The One bolt has not been released yet, it is currently in production. The Locker clicking noise can vary from vehicle to vehicle depending on many external components like tire type, cv axle wear, diff bushings, if you have carpet or not in the interior, etc. We can't say which one will be louder or quieter.
Ok so looks impressive , a diff locker always good idea off road but there are some questions I see being asked snd not answered. Q1: Its impact on daily driving? Q2: compatibility with CVT in later models? Guys?
1 - Daily driving you will hear the locker click when you coast around turns. Driving in a straight line you will notice no difference. 2 - No issues installing a locker with a CVT Subaru
Look up putting a range rover drive shaft and Viscous Coupler on your CRV. You can weld up the rear diff with this setup and I think it would outperform a subaru off road.
Interesting I actually just left Subaru after 20yrs mainly due to the CVT and not overly impressed with the Ascent. Bought a Expedition two weeks ago. I still like Subaru the Outback is still the best AWD wagon out there. My 2010 cvt was flawless but did get stuck a few times only when backing up and every time it was in a flat Ski resort parking lot🤦♂️. Going forward it was unstoppable. Lol Rear diff locker is interesting. It’s strictly friction triggered or is it some how switched on?
The TORQ Locker is an automatic mechanical locker, there's no on or off switch, it just always works. When you make a turn the locker will ratchet to allow for wheel speed differentiation.
The Five Bolt and One Bolt are mechanically the same thing. There are not advantages or disadvantages between the two. There are 2 different differentials made by Subaru that we make lockers for, the One Bolt and Five Bolt R160 open differential.
@@mattmaleyd.c.4047 they are both pretty quiet. This video makes it seem louder than it is in person. I can barely hear the locker in our second gen forester.
@@ChrisZBr0wn I'm looking at a locker for my wife's subaru crosstrek 1 bolt 13 cvt . I like in washington state do you think I would have any issue daily driving this locker and stuff we do a bunch of mountain roads
Daniel Bryant I’ve been driving this mostly daily (when it’s really nice I’ll ride my motorcycle) for close to 20k miles now. The 1 bolt is a little but louder (so I’ve heard) than the 5, but you’ll be fine. That’s the only sacrifice I’ve had to make with it. You can hear it. No big deal. Mines worse than most because I don’t have anything in my trunk, no sound deadening, nothing. Just sheetmetal. Personally I think it’s totally worth it! Good luck!
Yes - depending on year and trim you will need to confirm which rear differential you have. Here's a link to our website where you can confirm your fitment, please scroll down the page to fin your year/model/trim www.torqmasters.com/torq_locker_tl_r1601b_subaru_one_bolt_r160
akelelias It does. But you also saw how poorly that works. I think Subaru’s system can’t fully stop the spinning wheel to transfer torque so you end up getting stuck and wearing out your brake pads.
Hi MiCk! Most of the Subaru's have an R160 front differential, which is what we make a TORQ Locker for. It's not recommended to install a front TORQ Locker in a Subaru that drives on the road often, the locker will put lots of wear and tear on the steering and axles. So far we don't know of any customers that have installed a front TORQ Locker in a Subaru.
@@MickYETi our best advice, start with the rear TORQ Locker first and then decide if you need a front Locker. Most likely you won't need a front Locker.
Note to everyone watching with headphones at 100% full volume, turn down for what the video or your volume output. Loud AF... #downvoteforpooraudioQC but #upvotefordemo
I love Subaru through and through and have owned many but Subaru has wussiefied new Global platform Subaru's in the previous body style! Subaru stop putting cvts in your cars you 6 and 8 speeds like everybody else and send power to the wheels.
This IS a true locker. There are also many types of wheeling or offroading. Not everybody is into rockcrawling. For mud, sand, snow, forest trails, and small rocks, one may not need a hard-core 4WD or 4low. AWD, TCS, and a locker may be more than sufficient. Overlanding is getting more popular, and these softerroaders are great for that with some mods...like lockers, armor, and a winch. Not many hard-core rigs are going to match the 40+MPG I can get with my Crosstrek when commuting. The Wrangler 4xe may be a contender now, I guess.
It doesnt, its good enough for most folks but if you are really pushing the subie into some weird and dangerous areas this will give you the peace of mind of coming back out. Ive been nearly stuck a few timers on the WABDR and this would of come in handy so many times! Definitely buying this for myself and installing it this winter. Plus for the folks with a 6 speed manual who dont have x-mode...this is a absolute must or at least i'll find out when I blow my money this winter on one!
supermikey610 definitely catered to folks with a manual, x-mode performs flawlessly when in an open diff situation, I've been in several situations where my Toyota Tacoma would have struggled and x-mode in the subie just crushed the trail. I'm satisfied with the X-Mode performance and coming from years of off road experience I say save your money if you already have it.
@@mikerobinson8734 X mode will never out perform a true locking differential like the TORQ Locker. Many, or let's say, most Subaru owners will never need a Locker, but those that know they need one will greatly benefit from the TORQ Locker. There are a few videos out there now of TORQ Locker vs. X mode, check out the channel PowerOfYourBrains. The TORQ Locker out performs the X mode.
Torq-Masters Industries Never said X-Mode would out perform at all. I just speak from personal experience when I say that if you have it don't waste your money, you couldn't possibly benefit with the torq locker over X-mode if you already have it in your subaru. I've been in the hairiest of conditions with my old and new subie. With 2 wheels on the ground one in front and one in rear totally cambered and teetering and X -mode performed flawlessly! I had a 2017 Tacoma with a rear locker that would have struggled where Xmode behaved like full lockers. I see the benefit in the manuals but definitely not worth the money for the same results in performance.
@@mikerobinson8734 There are many levels of difficulty when it comes to offroading. We are elevating the Subaru platform by offering a true locking differential for an affordable price. There are many/most Subaru owners that will never need X mode, or a Locker. Our customers are pushing the limits of their Subaru's - far beyond what X mode can offer, and we are happy to help!
Sorry fella's but as a Jeep guy I just don't see the point. Watching your Subaru's teeter totter over terrain is hilarious. A body on frame solid axle vehicle (ie. Wrangler) would simply flex and droop a tire and follow whatever terrain you want to take it through. For the money you spend trying to make a Subaru do things it's just not designed for, you could just build a Jeep (which is perfectly designed for the stuff your doing).
Everyone knows there's better vehicles for offroading than a Subaru... But it's fun. It's all about taking a family grocery getter, taking it wheeling, and seeing just how far you can make it and with what modifications. Is it ever gonna outperform a Jeep? No, not at all. Is it tons of fun to build, abuse, and fix? Yes.
@@TylerScranton Ya, I get that. I just question putting thousands of dollars into one trying to make it an "off road" car because at that point you could have gotten into something better suited for more hard core stuff. As a Jeep guy I get the fun in building one part and if that's kinda your thing with a Subaru then hell ya, I get that. And just fyi, I like Subaru's. I almost bought one until I found out about the oil consumption issue with the 2.5 liters. If I do end up getting one I'll leave it stock and use it for my around town daily driver car and still take it camping and stuff when I'm going to areas where my Jeep is just not necessary. My Jeep is a beast to drive on the highway and I love the idea of the comfort the Subaru offers while still being very capable on light off road trails.
I see your point, I have a daily driver Subaru that has some fun stuff done to it then I have a yj on full widths and 37’s for when the going gets nasty. Subaru is definitely a more comfortable street car that has a good amount of off road capability.
It's fun and different. It's a different kind of challenge. I enjoy surprising the Jeep and Toyota folks with my 1980 Subaru Brat (67 hp!!!). Only mods are 4" lift and Gen 2 Subaru front disk brakes. It's heaps of fun.
This is such an awesome video to show the differences between non-locked differential and then locked differential on the same trail. Makes me consider a locker way more now, the locker made light work of that incline.
Im going to order one of these in the spring for my 03 Subaru forester. Theres a huge market for this here in beautiful flagstaff az, look forward to taking BLU all the way from AZ---> MT this next year with a locker. I don't have a youtube but I do plenty of off-roading and networking with the community and cant wait to help you sell heaps of these, if its as good as what I see the car with your brand sticker would sell itself. Thank you for finally doing what needed to be done and giving the newish Subaru community an option.
Hello fella, I've got a 3rd gen diesel forester and always wondered how good the torque lockers were and now I know for sure. I remember you fitting one in another video of yours. Neat piece of kit I'd say. Keep making your brilliant videos man. Total admiration from the UK 🇬🇧
Thanks for the kind words!
Subaru’s legendary AWD systems’ reputation was built off of cars that had an LSD. Now that they don’t have them, they’re just like any other AWD system out there. Fine for the street, mediocre off road.
I’m glad someone is addressing this problem. Looks like this locker will be a very low maintenance item compared to the clutch type LSDs. Also better performance than torsen type LSDs.
Negative, probably 90% of subarus ever sold came without LSD in the rear. non-STI AWD transmission cars did and do have an LSD in the center.
Most awd systems from other manufacturer are only partial awd. Meaning that they run 2wd until wheel slip occurs. Then the awd kicks in. Other manufacturers also have a power bias meaning that most of the power gets sent to the front wheels. Subaru on the other hand is always in awd and the power is more evenly distributed 50/50.
@LargeSizeJellyFish they're actually not 50/50. Since 2010 they've been 60/40.
Solid work making this happen.
Awesome outback!!
Normal driving around shouldn't really mess with traction control. Maybe when you break loose it might run into some issue as the rear tires will over turn, yet the programming should be to get a stopped tire moving in which case that won't happen with a torq locker installed, so my thought here is you should be good with respect to traction control. Yet onto stability control if you are not accelerating stability control should be fine again... Yet if you are accerating you may loose stability correction. Yet again if you are accelerating that usually means you are in control of your turn, usually. What would happen is the brake would go on, but instead of just breaking one intendend tire it would brake the entire axel. Not entirely desireable Yet again if you are off the throttle everything should be normal. In the winter I am in the throttle with stability assist aiding on my turns, so this probably wouldn't be so desireable there. I think if offroad is your desire over safety winter driving one of these is a must if you are set on a Subaru, otherwise probably not.
Where are those bumpers from? They are awesome!
+1! '16 Outback 3.6R owner here and *need* to know where those bumpers can be purchased!
@@mattytreks I took a set off of a 10' jeep jk, fabed up mounts, sweet set of used smittybuilt 400$ for the pair and about 200 in time and materials! 2003 forester xs.
I'd like to know this, too. My 2010 Outback needs that front bumper, and a rear bumper/tyre carrier as the crosstrek.
Do like the grille on the outback! Anyone have an idea of where to snag one?
I feel like this has been asked but, I love the bumper on the outback!!! Seeing that I hit a deer this morning, Where can I buy one or is it custom made?
Thanks
Will the front bumper fit a 2011 Outback? I love the look of it!
Where can I buy that front grill on the Outback? I am guessing it is custom because I cannot find anything.
Funny I ran into your channel by chance Recognized your outback pretty sure you live right down the street from me you have the same rooftop tent as me but my outback is stock not all modded out like yours!
Nice job TORQ
Definitely interested in this for my 2019 Forester Sport w/ the CVT if it will work with it.
All the 2019 Foresters with CVT have an open One Bolt rear differential. Our TORQ Locker for the One Bolt will be released very soon. Keep an eye on our social media for the release.
Was this ever released?
Pretty fucking hard to install unless you have a new subi or the 5 bolt. My subit is about 10 years old and the r160 was fused they could not even remove the 1bolt. They had to order new parts and cut it out. So before you buy make sure you get your subi checked out to see if you have hundreds of dollars more on install than you previously thought.
Don't blame the ease of install for a product on the condition of your vehicle
Hmmm --- I have an 11 and a 13 Outback --- plus a 4runner. Guess which one I take off road.
Subaru!
why not all?
Before was x mode on or off?? Does the rear locker always on shred your tires faster? Thank you for taking the time to make this.
HI D Subie! Check out the YT Channel "Power of your Brains" they have some videos on xmode on, off, and with an without a TORQ Locker. Basically the X mode don't matter after you install a locker. Tire wear depends on type of tire (car vs all terrain) and tire compound. A car tire will wear faster than an all terrain or mud terrain because car tires have less tread.
Torq-Masters Industries thank you-I checked them out too! I appreciate the time and effort you put into your product and this video. What is the different between the one bolt, five bolt and I think magnetic? Dif.
@@freedom_foz_6337 - we can't post photos in replies, but to describe it: look where the axle inserts into the differential. If there is a plate with 5 bolts on the side of the diff that the axle goes into, that's a 5 bolt. If there's a ring around the axle with with looks like 30 teeth, then this is a one bolt. we have a locker model for both styles of differentials, with open differential cases. Limited Slip differentials were available from Subaru in both the one and five bolt. Our locker will not it the LSD cases.
Torq-Masters Industries thank you for explaining-it’s on my future mod wish list. I like to do light off road and snow.
Hello Torq. I know that you are called T-lockers to LOCK wheels for offroad. Your stuff is build for low speeds, high loads, steep inclines, but how does it like high speeds, high rpm, and track day cornering? I'm not a type of guy to be into LSD's solid lockup sounds better.
Also doing something for FWD? For example honda civics, camrys, corollas to help in snow.
In a hairpin corner, it would unlock, mid turn, then I floor the pedal, inside wheel, which should spin slower, starts one wheel peeling, until inside wheel matches outsides speed and they continue spinnjng together? Did i understood working principle correctly?
@Gedas - there are no horsepower or speed limitations to the TORQ Locker. The Locker will unlock and ratchet on the road when making turns with little throttle applied. The more throttle in the turn the more the locker locks up. If you floor it in the middle of a turn while the locker was ratcheting, you may feel some feedback as the rear tire speeds change to the same speed. For most people, learning and adjusting to the locker is very easy.
So freaking awesome
Thanks for the video. Have you had in change in your MPG and have you noticed excessive tire wear?
There shouldn't be any noticable changes to MPG or tire wear in aggressive tires. Street tires you may see some additional wear over time, but that's yet to be seen. In the Jeep and Truck world where our other customers come from, MPG and tire wear are not a big concern.
Where did you get the front bumper for the Outback I have a 2013 Subaru Outback and I would love to have a bumper like that I just put Anderson Design 2” lift kit on my car
excuse my ignorance folks： does it always lock at a certain torque/rev range？and when driving around a normal road bend do you avoid that torque/rpm range so the diff works normally？
Happy to help. The locker will ratchet at neutral to moderate throttle when making turns on the road. If you stand on the throttle the locker will not ratchet in a corner and both rear tires will spin at the same speed. Depending on your tire type, you can break the tires loose if you try to. Our products are popular with Volvo drift cars in Europe, they get sideways for fun! Drive with a rear locker like you did when it was stock, you will notice some differences here and there, but for most people it is very easy to get accustomed to.
Cory Young I’m the Crosstrek owner and it’s noticeable, but with almost no power to begin with I only have broken the tires loose on gravel and wet painted pavement
Hey torq folks, is this something that can be installed in both front and rear or just the rear? Ive been looking for something like this for years and randomly came across the video today, cant wait to buy one later this year!
@Supermikey610 thanks for the comment!
We have not tested a TORQ Locker in the front R160 differential of Subaru's yet.... but for on-road driving it would likely be not recommended to install a front locker. A rear locker is awesome. Some of the folks out there are installing a center diff lock controller to lock torque bias to 50/50 front/rear for offroad use and then switching to 100 front for on road use. Turning their Subaru into a front wheel drive vehicle on the road saved fuel and made the rear locker very, very quiet.
You can’t run it in the front diff because the front diff is not R160. You can run it in the rear R160 diffs but you run the risks of breaking their pencil thin shafts.
How do these affect daily driving? Any changes?
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I mainly want to know where they got the bumper for the outback
does it just lock to rear diff? i know my 2013 outback sucks at doing dounts in the snow
How does this handle with going side ways? I’ve been looking for something to act as a rear lsd for my 2018 crosstrek to have fun with playing in snow and mud.
When you are hard on the throttle the locker will act like a spool and power both rear wheels 50/50 torque. This is better than an LSD as it's predictable and reliable.
Does the torque locker affect the Active Torque Vectoring that the 2015+ Subarus now have?
Which sundial tool would I need to install a locker in a 2016 Crosstrek?
What about gears ? Time for low range !
So what you're saying is that you can run these locked all surfaces unlike a 4x4 SUV say a FJ full time rear wheel with shiftable high low 4wheel. Running locked would be, well bad on non slippery surfaces.
What does this do different and do you have a setup for the new Crosstrek 18,19 and soon 20
Hi @Nomad Mav
Yes, it's totally OK to drive a Subaru with a rear TORQ Locker on all surfaces, on or off road. We manufacture locking differentials for many SUV's like Jeeps, Toyota's and pick up trucks, all fine for front or rear lockers. The TORQ Locker will ratchet and allow for wheel speed differentiation when turning on or off road.
The stock Subaru setup, once you lift a wheel, all the torque goes to the wheel in the air, which is bad. You want torque applied to the wheel on the ground, and the only way to do this reliably is with a locking differential.
Yes, we have Subaru Crosstrek models, please check our website for fitment.
@@TorqMastersIndustries that's great news. Im ordering my 2020 manual transmission Crosstrek in November. I'm assuming this will work the same in both CVT and Manual trans. Thank you for the reply.
anyone know if 2010-2014 3.6r 5EAT uses R160?
Nice goings 4wd forward , so it will be 2wd FWD going backwards right ? because it's one way mechanics part!!!
no it's not
@@xhangbhat7263 Thanks for replying my friend , can you kindly explain how it's work
I am very interested on this thing
@@Nasseralshaya en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four-wheel_drive
Shotgun creek? I almost miss Oregon. Almost.
I'm confused. Can you turn these lockers on or off ?? Or are they automatic and always (potentially) on ??
The TORQ Locker is an automatic locker and works automatically to allow for wheel speed differentiation when you turn - it does this through ratcheting.
@@TorqMastersIndustries So if I understand correctly it takes care of slight differentiation of normal driving through ratcheting, but when there could be significant differentiation such as only one wheel spinning as can happen in an open differential, it locks both wheels together ??
How will turing traction control off affect the lockers? Or does it make it even better for offroad with both? Does the locker clicking noise always stays on or just when the lockers are activating?.
HI JT
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They shot some nice comparison videos with various Subaru models and their traction control, X mode, etc. You don't need to disable traction control to run the TORQ Locker. The locker makes such an improvement that you won't even think about traction control anymore. The locker only ratchets and clicks when you make turns, driving in a straight line it won't click. Hope this helps - please let me know if I can help with any questions.
@@TorqMastersIndustries thanks. Planning on getting the lockers pretty soon.
How long is this design supposed to last until its effectiveness starts to diminish? Any abuse a user can introduce that will cause premature failure? Also, plz make one for the front diff as well :) Cheers~
The TORQ Locker has no tire size, horsepower or mileage limitations in their 4 year warranty. We've been manufacturing this style of locking differential since 2003 and some of those are still on the road. We use 9310 alloy and heat treat the gears for optimal wear life. I've seen 50,000 miles on a locker and it still looks brand new. As far as premature failure, you are way more likely to break an axle shaft then ever hurt the TORQ Locker.
The TORQ Locker could fit the front differential as well, but we do not suggest that for on-road driving due to excessive CV wear.
What about a 2015 crosstrek with cvt
What about the same backroad at 50-75mph? cause that's usually what I'm driving at
There are no speed limits with a TORQ Locker!
Will the clicking noise from the locker ever goes away or is it permanent.
The clicking from the locker will always be there. The locker will ratchet when you are coasting or at moderate throttle when making a turn, this allows for wheel speed differentiation.
I’m intrigued.
Traction is Awesome!
How much is with installation is awesome!
429 and easy to installwww.torqmasters.com/torq_locker_subaru_r160_five_bolt
Maybe add a link to your website in the descriptions under the video.
I have 2010 subaru outback 3.6R. so 5 bolt torq locker is going to fit my car? or should i look for one bolt torq locker.
Hello~!
All of the 3.6R models came with an open R160 One Bolt differential. Our One Bolt TORQ Locker will be available very soon.
the 2010 3.6R actually comes with a rear LSD as standard, I know because I have one. it will activate when you switch traction control off in those difficult situations
Will this work for a 2022 forester wilderness? And who no switch to activate and de activate?
We have a new model coming out that will fit the Wilderness. The TORQ Locker is a mechanical locker and works automatically. No switches.
@@TorqMastersIndustries very interested in putting one in my 2022 forester. Does it affect daily driving and does this system affect the xmode?
@@estebanjr11 a TORQ Locker does not affect Xmode or traction control. Daily driving you will hear some clicking from the locker when you coast through turns. Other than that there's not much of change. There are some Subaru specific daily driving videos on youtube. Check out the channel "Power of your Brains" for some Subaru specific videos.
Is there any difference in fuel mileage ?
We have not noticed any change in fuel mileage.
Can you convert from 5 bolt to 1 bolt? Or would that not be wise even if you want the slightly quieter 1 bolt?
The axle shafts are different, so it would be a substantial amount of work to convert to a 1 Bolt. Probably not worth the effort.
@@TorqMastersIndustries all 1 bolt axles are different from all 5 bolt axles? I would have to replace my oem lsd on my 04 Forester with an open diff, so figured getting the quieter one might be worth it?
@@ejayone8184 the locker mechanics are the same between the 1 bolt and 5 bolt, it's the Subaru that's different and which may be causing louder operation in one vs the other. To convert to a one bolt you would likely have to replace wheel hubs, possibly wheels in the rear due to bolt pattern, etc. the track width may be off. alignments may be very difficult, etc. not something I would suggest for the backyard mechanic.
Would this install on a 2018 Legacy Sport (6 gen)?
Most likely yes, but would need to know which motor, trim and transmission you have first.
@@tractiontogoanywhere660
Sport, 2.5, CVT
Hi! I'm from Brazil. I couldn't understand the phisical differences between "1-bolt" and "5-bolt" and why "1-bolt" is less louder than "5-bolt". I will be glad for some explanation.
Thank you.
I just see in the www.torqmasters.com/torq_locker_subaru_r160_five_bolt.
Thank you.
The One bolt has not been released yet, it is currently in production. The Locker clicking noise can vary from vehicle to vehicle depending on many external components like tire type, cv axle wear, diff bushings, if you have carpet or not in the interior, etc. We can't say which one will be louder or quieter.
Ok so looks impressive , a diff locker always good idea off road but there are some questions I see being asked snd not answered.
Q1: Its impact on daily driving?
Q2: compatibility with CVT in later models?
Guys?
1 - Daily driving you will hear the locker click when you coast around turns. Driving in a straight line you will notice no difference.
2 - No issues installing a locker with a CVT Subaru
Wish there was something out there like this for my First gen CRV.
Look up putting a range rover drive shaft and Viscous Coupler on your CRV. You can weld up the rear diff with this setup and I think it would outperform a subaru off road.
Interesting
I actually just left Subaru after 20yrs mainly due to the CVT and not overly impressed with the Ascent. Bought a Expedition two weeks ago.
I still like Subaru the Outback is still the best AWD wagon out there. My 2010 cvt was flawless but did get stuck a few times only when backing up and every time it was in a flat Ski resort parking lot🤦♂️. Going forward it was unstoppable. Lol
Rear diff locker is interesting. It’s strictly friction triggered or is it some how switched on?
The TORQ Locker is an automatic mechanical locker, there's no on or off switch, it just always works. When you make a turn the locker will ratchet to allow for wheel speed differentiation.
How so that 5bolt is louder
What is the advantage of the five bolt locker over the one bolt?
The Five Bolt and One Bolt are mechanically the same thing. There are not advantages or disadvantages between the two. There are 2 different differentials made by Subaru that we make lockers for, the One Bolt and Five Bolt R160 open differential.
@@TorqMastersIndustries thanks
@@TorqMastersIndustries Are all 5 bolts more noisy then One bolts?
@@mattmaleyd.c.4047 they are both pretty quiet. This video makes it seem louder than it is in person. I can barely hear the locker in our second gen forester.
Thanks for sharing.
Can you confirm the crosstrek is manual gearbox ?
Where did you get the XV rear bumper with tire rack from?
Feldjaeger220 that’s mine and I built it custom myself!
@@ChrisZBr0wn Looks great, would've bought 1 for my 2014 XV.
@@Fehu1964 Look up f44offroad on instagram. They sell one like it
@@ChrisZBr0wn I'm looking at a locker for my wife's subaru crosstrek 1 bolt 13 cvt . I like in washington state do you think I would have any issue daily driving this locker and stuff we do a bunch of mountain roads
Daniel Bryant I’ve been driving this mostly daily (when it’s really nice I’ll ride my motorcycle) for close to 20k miles now. The 1 bolt is a little but louder (so I’ve heard) than the 5, but you’ll be fine. That’s the only sacrifice I’ve had to make with it. You can hear it. No big deal. Mines worse than most because I don’t have anything in my trunk, no sound deadening, nothing. Just sheetmetal. Personally I think it’s totally worth it! Good luck!
Does anyone know what bumper the outback has is it custom?
What kind of lift on the Outback?
ADF possibly given the decal on the car
Can you use this on any year Outback?
Yes - depending on year and trim you will need to confirm which rear differential you have. Here's a link to our website where you can confirm your fitment, please scroll down the page to fin your year/model/trim
www.torqmasters.com/torq_locker_tl_r1601b_subaru_one_bolt_r160
Roof tents are ridiculous. There I said it.
So i thought Subaru's have a system that will transfer torque to the wheel that has grip by applying brake to the spinning wheel. Am i wrong?
akelelias It does. But you also saw how poorly that works. I think Subaru’s system can’t fully stop the spinning wheel to transfer torque so you end up getting stuck and wearing out your brake pads.
@@MountainPF I understand now. At first i thought traction control (TCS) wasn't working at all.
Fabuloso el sistema, pero no soporto los ruidos, no podria andar con una matraca debajo del auto, no, me quedo con el lsd y xmode 100%
anyone know if they make a locker for the front?
Hi MiCk!
Most of the Subaru's have an R160 front differential, which is what we make a TORQ Locker for. It's not recommended to install a front TORQ Locker in a Subaru that drives on the road often, the locker will put lots of wear and tear on the steering and axles. So far we don't know of any customers that have installed a front TORQ Locker in a Subaru.
@@TorqMastersIndustries i live in a remote area with all dirt and mud roads and mostly icy and snowy majority of the year.
@@MickYETi do you have a rear TORQ Locker yet? How is that handling the winter?
@@TorqMastersIndustries unfortunately, no. i was hoping to get one for both the rear and the front if i decide to purchase.
@@MickYETi our best advice, start with the rear TORQ Locker first and then decide if you need a front Locker. Most likely you won't need a front Locker.
Note to everyone watching with headphones at 100% full volume, turn down for what the video or your volume output. Loud AF... #downvoteforpooraudioQC but #upvotefordemo
I love Subaru through and through and have owned many but Subaru has wussiefied new Global platform Subaru's in the previous body style! Subaru stop putting cvts in your cars you 6 and 8 speeds like everybody else and send power to the wheels.
Or you can get any vehicle meant for offroading that has a true locker and transfer case
Where's the fun in that? :D
@@TylerScranton good point..time to go take my forester sport up the Rubicon trail!
This IS a true locker.
There are also many types of wheeling or offroading. Not everybody is into rockcrawling. For mud, sand, snow, forest trails, and small rocks, one may not need a hard-core 4WD or 4low. AWD, TCS, and a locker may be more than sufficient. Overlanding is getting more popular, and these softerroaders are great for that with some mods...like lockers, armor, and a winch. Not many hard-core rigs are going to match the 40+MPG I can get with my Crosstrek when commuting. The Wrangler 4xe may be a contender now, I guess.
2003-2009 4runner came with a V8 and AWD and a center locking differential and even 4low, no way 🤣🤣
another good video ruined with music
X-Mode essentially does the same thing. Save your $
It doesnt, its good enough for most folks but if you are really pushing the subie into some weird and dangerous areas this will give you the peace of mind of coming back out. Ive been nearly stuck a few timers on the WABDR and this would of come in handy so many times! Definitely buying this for myself and installing it this winter.
Plus for the folks with a 6 speed manual who dont have x-mode...this is a absolute must or at least i'll find out when I blow my money this winter on one!
supermikey610 definitely catered to folks with a manual, x-mode performs flawlessly when in an open diff situation, I've been in several situations where my Toyota Tacoma would have struggled and x-mode in the subie just crushed the trail. I'm satisfied with the X-Mode performance and coming from years of off road experience I say save your money if you already have it.
@@mikerobinson8734 X mode will never out perform a true locking differential like the TORQ Locker. Many, or let's say, most Subaru owners will never need a Locker, but those that know they need one will greatly benefit from the TORQ Locker. There are a few videos out there now of TORQ Locker vs. X mode, check out the channel PowerOfYourBrains. The TORQ Locker out performs the X mode.
Torq-Masters Industries Never said X-Mode would out perform at all. I just speak from personal experience when I say that if you have it don't waste your money, you couldn't possibly benefit with the torq locker over X-mode if you already have it in your subaru. I've been in the hairiest of conditions with my old and new subie. With 2 wheels on the ground one in front and one in rear totally cambered and teetering and X -mode performed flawlessly! I had a 2017 Tacoma with a rear locker that would have struggled where Xmode behaved like full lockers. I see the benefit in the manuals but definitely not worth the money for the same results in performance.
@@mikerobinson8734 There are many levels of difficulty when it comes to offroading. We are elevating the Subaru platform by offering a true locking differential for an affordable price. There are many/most Subaru owners that will never need X mode, or a Locker. Our customers are pushing the limits of their Subaru's - far beyond what X mode can offer, and we are happy to help!
Sorry fella's but as a Jeep guy I just don't see the point. Watching your Subaru's teeter totter over terrain is hilarious. A body on frame solid axle vehicle (ie. Wrangler) would simply flex and droop a tire and follow whatever terrain you want to take it through. For the money you spend trying to make a Subaru do things it's just not designed for, you could just build a Jeep (which is perfectly designed for the stuff your doing).
Thank you. I am a toyota guy and have land cruiser. This shit is pointless.
Everyone knows there's better vehicles for offroading than a Subaru... But it's fun. It's all about taking a family grocery getter, taking it wheeling, and seeing just how far you can make it and with what modifications. Is it ever gonna outperform a Jeep? No, not at all. Is it tons of fun to build, abuse, and fix? Yes.
@@TylerScranton Ya, I get that. I just question putting thousands of dollars into one trying to make it an "off road" car because at that point you could have gotten into something better suited for more hard core stuff. As a Jeep guy I get the fun in building one part and if that's kinda your thing with a Subaru then hell ya, I get that. And just fyi, I like Subaru's. I almost bought one until I found out about the oil consumption issue with the 2.5 liters. If I do end up getting one I'll leave it stock and use it for my around town daily driver car and still take it camping and stuff when I'm going to areas where my Jeep is just not necessary. My Jeep is a beast to drive on the highway and I love the idea of the comfort the Subaru offers while still being very capable on light off road trails.
I see your point, I have a daily driver Subaru that has some fun stuff done to it then I have a yj on full widths and 37’s for when the going gets nasty. Subaru is definitely a more comfortable street car that has a good amount of off road capability.
It's fun and different. It's a different kind of challenge. I enjoy surprising the Jeep and Toyota folks with my 1980 Subaru Brat (67 hp!!!). Only mods are 4" lift and Gen 2 Subaru front disk brakes. It's heaps of fun.