Short answer: depends on the organization. Sometimes you have HCs fired for no good reason and other times, you have HCs that ought to be fired but aren't.
If you are a NFC East head coach in the hot seat and you're playing Washington in the final week, please just call a normal gameplan. (Mike McCarthy, are you paying attention?)
Coach is a weird thing. Guys like Hugh Jackson can still coach after 0-16 and still gets to coach half a season while Marty Schottenheimer takes them to the playoffs at 14-2 and gets canned.
You could tell Fields was not meant for Nagy’s offense. Why make an offense for a pocket passer for the likes of Dalton when you have a quarterback similar to Lamar Jackson
I'd rather not draft any quarterbacks like Jackson ever simply because their durability sucks and are usually one trick ponies when it comes to running.
Great analysis, and thanks for not giving a lazy reason as to Flores' firing. By no means is the rest of the organization free from their own problems, but the situation with Flores was much more complicated than a lot of people are making it out to be.
I was fully expecting him to say “Flores did nothing wrong”. He was an ass, and was power hungry. I mean you don’t tell your starter that, we shouldn’t have drafted you. Especially, when you’re 1-7 with Tua playing a reduced role to start the season. Then you get to the fact that he has the same record as Adam Gase.
@@mattyaboi1653 Not to mention his record against a major opponent. I get growing pains and all that, but he finished his career in Miami winless against Buffalo. As a Bills fan myself, I was happy to have two penciled in wins a season, but if I were in the Dolphins front office I'd have considered letting him go for that, atop his increasingly toxic leadership. You just can't go winless against a division rival and NOT be on the hot seat.
Hey man big fan of your vids, but just a small note. There is a rumor going around that Flores wanted Herbert over Tua. As far as I understand (being a life long Phins fan) this is not true. If they could have traded up and gotten Joey B they would have, but barring that long shot Tua was the man. GM Chris Grier was at the very least not going to pick a QB without consulting Flores, but more likely just straight up went with whoever Flores wanted. There is a lot of hindsight on Justin Herbert but at the time of the draft Tua was considered by EVERYONE to be the clear pick. Herbert didn't have the prettiest tape (from my understanding, I'm far from an expert) and was seen as more of a project. Nobody saw his crazy rookie season coming. Due to his and Joey B's success Tua has been under a microscope and unfortunately will likely be considered a bust because he has 5 turnstiles for an O Line. I like Tua but at this point I really wonder if we haven't broken him : /
You forgot to mention the power struggle in San Francisco. During the early 2010s, John Harbaugh kept the 49ers in contention for a Super Bowl. Yet an ongoing conflict between Harbaugh, owner Jed York, and former GM Trent Balkke led to John being ousted. Before that, John took the 49ers to three NFC Conference Championship games and a Super Bowl appearance.
Obvious reasons: lack of success, lack of communication skills, failure to adjust to evolving playbooks, being a general douche with no respect Not always obvious: office politics and power struggles in team organization, either when a team needs a scapegoat (ahem, Eagles) or if a star player demands someone gets let go Baffling reasons: ego, power tripping (may or may not overlap with office politics), chasing trends without any knowledge or plan
I.e. Mike Zimmer. He was guilty of a lot of these sins, plus had built a somewhat toxic environment (which shoulda been brought up as a factor especially in light of Urban Meyer, imo). Unlike other coaches who lost a power struggle though, Zimmer managed to drag Rick Spielman down with him.
Chuck Noll didn’t record a winning season with the Steelers until his 4th year on the job. He didn’t win a Super Bowl until his sixth year. He held the job for 23 years. Bill Belichick had a 5-13 record with the Pats before winning his first Super Bowl. Bill Walsh won 8 games in his first two years on the job. Tony Dungy was fired in Tampa, then lost his first playoff game with the Colts 41-0, and didn’t get a Super Bowl as a coach until his 11th year (6th as the Colts head coach). Moral of the story: Sometimes patience and faith in the coach pay off in the long run.
@@m.robert123 Yeah but Noll had some pretty damn good excuses. Such as one of his first round picks literally dying after a promising start to his career.
This is true, and it can be more of an ownership/upper management problem rather than the coach, as the Schottenheimer example showed. People good at their jobs can't properly flourish if they're in a toxic environment. Bellichick's first HC gig was with the Browns, where he was fired. Would he have had success had he been able to stay? Maybe, but the Browns are a badly run team.
"The firing of Brian Flores (...) has forced the league into a reckoning over the failure of the Rooney rule" No, it apparently made the NFL media scene to pick up the topic and chew on it for a couple of weeks - with the league knowing full well that it would die down eventually without any kind of real change, when the next Big Topic comes up... and Flores would be out of the league. Nothing changes in the NFL unless it is good for the owners.
Unless someone actively presses on the league, which is what I hope happens in the case of the Washington Commanders. The league wants this under the rug real bad and act like nothing bad happened. The truth of those emails and everything needs to see the light of day.
@@darealconman And I don't know why. Brian Flores is a good coach who would help the Raiders defense establish a strong foundation. While Josh McDaniels was bad with the Broncos, and bounced on the Colts immediately after getting the job.
Hell no. I don't want Flores. Dude isn't good with the locker room and is suing the damn NFL cause he's salty. People judging McDaniels based on his first and only HC job from over a decade ago are slow. Right now, the Raiders are building one of the best staffs in the league and Flores doesn't belong. Especially because we wouldn't have gotten these other great pieces if McDaniels wasn't here.
It’s when front offices get desperate look at how many coaches the browns have had since they’ve come back it’s because since day 1 they’ve been desperate to prove they can succeed and as a result they never give coaches time to build their team or bounce back from a bad season
Reason number infinity as to why I never, ever trust the Browns, even if they happen to look good on occasion. I don't ever want to hear about how it's "their time" again.
IMO, his racism angle ruins his lawsuit. Unless he has some bombshell recording of the owners saying some racist stuff against him, he's going to lose the case badly. A judge will just tell him that team owners can hire or fire anyone they like, no matter how shitty management is. On a better managed franchise, Flores could've been a great coach. But now he never will be.
Yeah I think Flores was wrongly fired, but I don't know about him being a victim of racism. Once Joe Schoen got the Giants GM position, I just knew Brian Daboll would be hired as head coach, since they have connections from their time in Buffalo.
Ok hear me out, there is one guy that is a bit of an outlier here, and really probably should have kept his job, and he was absolutely shafted by the team because he had a terrible offensive coordinator, bad ownership, and a team unwilling to spend on big name talent, even though they had multiple pro bowl players on both sides of the ball, a hall of famer, a couple future hall of famers, and rookies who were promising as all hell at the time. Jim Caldwell. The man was screwed out of a job, and everyone who doesn't have the last name Ford wishes he woulda got an extra year or two to see what he could do.
Rule #1 for any senior exec is to get along with your boss. From what I understand , Flores didn’t make that effort. I’ve dealt with Ross in several non-football contexts over the years and found him to be a decent guy, demanding when he had the upper hand, and solicitous when he needed something. It’s not easy for a football coach, an expert in a demanding sport, to be respectful to an owner who is not an expert, though he may think so. Still that’s what the job entails. You don’t like it? Get another $MM salaried job.
If Flores is telling the truth the owner demanded he break league tampering rules and also break actual laws by deliberately losing. Like at some point "respecting the boss" just makes you a bootlicker and a fall guy
I strongly disagree-if they hired you, especially for such an important position, you have every right to demand some autonomy and input concerning decision-making
We live in a world where executives run companies into the ground yet they get golden parachutes. And then another cushy exec job awaits them. Ross has a history of horrible teams under his ownership. Flores had proven that he could take one of the worst rosters in the NFL (the 2019 squad) and get some wins out of them. I hope Flores utterly embarrasses the NFL owners with this lawsuit.
Completely wrong analysis on Matt Nagy. It wasnt the playcalling. It was his inability to change his scheme for his players. He always schemed for the players he WANTED, not the players he HAD.
Kinda the same thing, but different words what FivePoints said. But Matt Nagy also failed developing Justin Fields for his rookie similar. Not as worse as Trevor Laurence but still.
Looking at Lovie's NFL record from the bears he did solid. I really do wish we could've got Flores but I really think you're right and the lawsuit was the deciding factor :(
Everyone acts like Hurts was setting records that last game when his numbers where so fucken awful the only question was what took Petersen so long to pull Hurts out of that game.
More reasons why Nagy was fired came out after he was gone... Mistreating his players, being too deep in his own ass, never adjusting to schemes against his plays, leaving qbs out to dry against overpowering defensive rushes... To name a few
I think him choosing not to tank is pretty commendable. What really got him fired though was him trashing Tua - and missing the playoffs three straight years. Gave the owners and their shitty GM all the reason to fire him.
This video is great. Unfortunately its missing Matt Rhule bc the Panthers Organization decide to fire everyone but the Head Coach, which is pretty pathetic.
Tbf, that time period was somewhat anomalous in how many long term HCs there were-Cower, Fisher, Shula, Mike Shanahan, Belichick…all these guys spent years and years with the same team as HC There’s also guys like Jimmy Johnson and Dungy, etc who split their careers between only two teams
Why is Steve Wilks on the back to back losing season at 6:25 in the video? He only got one season with the Arizona Cardinals. I could see if he had a second season. The Bidwell family decided to drop the ax and go with Kliff Kingsbury and Kyle Murray after getting rid of both the coaching staff and quarterback from the previous season.
You know, I see racism brought up alot. You all might be right. Marvin Lewis, African American Head Coach, of the Cincinnati Bengals for 16 years without as much as one single playoff win. In the closing moments of a 2015 playoff game vs. The rival Steelers three undisciplined players cost the team the game. Hill, Burfict, and Pacman Jones were the names of the players. Hill fumbled when the game was in the bag, Burfict was a 4th down penalty taking a cheap shot that was totally unnecessary and the team was penalized and Pacman added another penalty for good measure. If that wasn't awful enough their head coach, Marvin Lewis, brought all three players back the following year. Of course, Lewis himself returned and NEVER led the Bengals to another playoff game. All four of the before mentioned should have been cut/fired prior to the start of the 2016 season. No excuses no questions answered. Too easy. However, the teams failure or apprehension or fear or whatever set the franchise into a cultural tailspin that signaled to the rest of the league and those sought after free agents that there is zero accountability in Cincinnati. Who wanted to come to Cincinnati then and get busted up over 16 games and then have bad tempered undisciplined idiots to blow it for you because they can't control themselves? Plus they keep their jobs also? So, based on performance, among other things, why wasn't Marvin Lewis rightly terminated? I mean much sooner. No NFL team has even considered hiring him since he mutually agreed to finally leave Cincinnati. He is now a Nobody Special Advisor for Arizona State University for Herm Edwards. Some keep crying about opportunities and others fail to mention the opportunity one coach, Lewis, received which was way beyond what was reasonable and fair. 16 years, the media was comparing Marvin Lewis to Bill Belichick. Belichick has wins, he has playoff wins, he has multiple Super Bowl appearances and wins. Lewis has none of these as a head coach yet his tenure approached that of Belichick? What is wrong with this picture? I know whenever something that could possibly be considered racist concerning hiring practices occurs it is jumped all over by leaps and bounds. The bandwagon fills up quickly too. I think there is more to this as a whole then just what Brian Flores wants to do to influence how others feel about it based on what he himself thinks. This racist thing all began by making teams interview a certain number of candidates based on race. There is no getting around that even though it keeps getting interpreted in other ways. Like it is a rule but it has to be followed in the spirit as if you really and truly want to interview these candidates without regard to race but so is you know X amounts you interview need to be what is considered a minority race. Everyone knows what that means despite the casual nonchalant natural way owners and GMs are supposed to conduct their interviews and hiring of candidates they themselves have every right in the world to choose. Just make sure it is diversified. You are not investing money. Some say minority owners are needed. You going to force owners to sell their franchises because the color split is off? I know owners in other sports have been forced to sell due to being labeled as racists. Being recorded without their knowledge in some cases also. You want to earn something or have it handed to you? I think the ultimate goal is to just get it or get to the desired balance, whatever that is determined to be, no matter how it occurs. If it is earned based on hard work I am 100 percent for it. If it is gifted based on some racial or even gender quota I am not for it. That is not equal opportunity. That is not what Dr. Martin Luther King was for either.
One thing that wasn’t mentioned that was surprising is losing the locker room. Once a coach (or manager in baseball) does it there’s usually no going back.
Man I’d love to have Flores anywhere on my team’s coaching staff. Doesn’t matter if it’s HC or special teams, that man clearly knows football. I think he’d be a great fit for the Texans. Hope he actually gets a fair chance with his next team.
Putting Jamarcus Russel on Lana Kiffen is completely unfair. He never wanted to draft him he wanted Megatron. Al Davis just never lost his hard on from seeing Jamarcus through the ball 60 yards on his knees.
Ya know what Five, I was at a point where the name "Christian Ponder" no longer popped into my head to do random bits of damage, but now you've gone and reopened the wound. WHY VIKINGS WHY
It’s been reported that Flores wanted anyone but Herbert. He has a losing record as HC when Tua is NOT the starter. He was fired after back to back winning seasons so he fits in the power struggle category.
Rooney rule.... it only says you have to interview 2 outside minority candidates. Says nothing about considering or seriously looking at them. It just says must interview. You're a token again... congratulations, you played yourselves.
It would probably be better if the Rooney Rule never existed. That way if a black coach is being interviewed it's because they are seriously being considered. Now? Teams will only interview black coaches to fulfill a checkmark, when they may have *Their Guy* already lined up beforehand. Is it any wonder many of these interviews are a sham? In trying to combat racism, the NFL made it *more* racist.
it's not racism. we live in a society full of entitled people. imagine being in the 1% of 1%. Brian Flores is worth millions of dollars. Dollars. Even if he didn't get offered a head coaching job because of much racism he'll be able to land a head coaching job at a division. one football college and still make millions of dollars a year. That doesn't sound like a land of racism. It sounds like a land of opportunity. I'm sorry things didn't work out for him, but no matter where you land, you're better off than 99.999999% of the rest of the world. Thanks for the common sense, i thought no more sane people were left in this country
If it was racism then Mike Tomlin wouldn't be head coach, Jason Sehorn wouldn't be the last white cornerback from 2002 to 2021 when Troy Apke switches from safety to corner, and 70% of the players would be gone and there wouldn't be a 15 year gap between 1985 and 2010 where no white running backs reached 1,000 rushing yards
The coach doesn’t drop passes, they don’t throw interceptions. They get victimized by these organizations as a excuse for loss. Coaches should be more long term
@@fromthehaven94 Except Taylor has made it to the Super Bowl in his third year despite two (really bad) losing seasons prior. Meanwhile Flores - despite having a better record - missed the playoffs for the third straight year in a row.
You touched on it, but didn't list it as a reason per se. One clear reason a coach gets fired in the NFL is that he doesn't honor the head office mandate to take a dive when he's asked. You mentioned this of Flores, but the more clear example of that is David Culley, who appears to have been fired for winning four games with a team that was engineered to fail.
What gets a coach fired? Me before watching the vid: If they are not controllable, "yes sir" robots. Me after watching: Ok, the answer is much more nuanced. I stand corrected. XD
Before I watch the rest of the video, why do I get the feeling that one of the reasons will be that the coach isn't willing to accept an owner's culture? (Looking at all the coaches who were fired only to be replaced by a puppet)
Chicago loves hiring coaches who have a unorthodox and extra creative playbook that has worked for a spell at previous places. The problem with Martz and Nagy is they are convinced these plays can work anywhere, even if the teams are complete opposite of where they were successful, and worse is they are unwilling to adapt and change things up. For both of them they would need stellar offensive lines and for both of them we lacked just that. Mike has Cutler do a 7 step drop back 3 times in a row and each time he's hit before he can turn around and plant his foot... What does Mike call for the next 5 plays? More 7 step drop backs. He was doing exactly what the definition of insanity down to the letter... Sadly I don't think things will improve until grandma McCaskey moves on
If Adam gase can be employed by an NFL team for 24 months then surely you and I can become a head coach
We would prolly be better
Probably be better than him and Urban Meyer at least 😅
@@davidcopeland5450 Urban set the bar pretty low, as long as u don't kick people and cheat on ur wife in public ur good
Matt Nagy too
Even with *Gase* as precedent, i highly doubt it.
I do not count as _white_ at the USA.
I wouldnt be considered for anything beyond coordinator.
Short answer: depends on the organization.
Sometimes you have HCs fired for no good reason and other times, you have HCs that ought to be fired but aren't.
Bingo
Yeah. Jason Garrett held onto his job for way too long.
@@jackdaone6469 nah, Jones loves his puppets at head coach. Garrett was perfect at that role
@@enthusiastofcute
You say that, but it was Garrett who made the decision to bench Romo and start Dak before he was ready to takeover.
@@jackdaone6469 You do know that Garrett made that “decision” because Romo suffered a brutal injury and Dak looked very good in his rookie season
If you are a NFC East head coach in the hot seat and you're playing Washington in the final week, please just call a normal gameplan.
(Mike McCarthy, are you paying attention?)
To be fair, Mike did sweep the NFC East.
He just dropped his pants down to the AFC/NFC West Teams lmao
@@darianclark3980 so the good teams? Eagles fan btw
Andy Reid, Chip Kelly, Tom Coughlin, Jason Garrett, Doug Pederson all agree
If you abuse your players that can get you fired, but what kind of coach would do that? 😬
lol
Frank Kush
Bill Bellichek lol
Idk… I’m kicking myself just thinking about it.
Urban Meyer
Coach is a weird thing. Guys like Hugh Jackson can still coach after 0-16 and still gets to coach half a season while Marty Schottenheimer takes them to the playoffs at 14-2 and gets canned.
You could tell Fields was not meant for Nagy’s offense. Why make an offense for a pocket passer for the likes of Dalton when you have a quarterback similar to Lamar Jackson
I'd rather not draft any quarterbacks like Jackson ever simply because their durability sucks and are usually one trick ponies when it comes to running.
You have a visor because you're not ashamed of your baldness?
Man matt Nagy would ruin ANY QB pure incompetence it's offensive
Fields =/= Lamar
@@SageSea1 Yeah Fields better than lamar
Apparently going 7-9 constantly will get you fired! Ask Jeff Fischer
And constantly going 9-7 with a sense you aren't going anywhere ask Jim Caldwell
Even in a 17 game season he would go 7-9-1
Or ask Dick Jauron.
Great analysis, and thanks for not giving a lazy reason as to Flores' firing. By no means is the rest of the organization free from their own problems, but the situation with Flores was much more complicated than a lot of people are making it out to be.
I was fully expecting him to say “Flores did nothing wrong”. He was an ass, and was power hungry. I mean you don’t tell your starter that, we shouldn’t have drafted you. Especially, when you’re 1-7 with Tua playing a reduced role to start the season. Then you get to the fact that he has the same record as Adam Gase.
@@mattyaboi1653 Not to mention his record against a major opponent. I get growing pains and all that, but he finished his career in Miami winless against Buffalo. As a Bills fan myself, I was happy to have two penciled in wins a season, but if I were in the Dolphins front office I'd have considered letting him go for that, atop his increasingly toxic leadership. You just can't go winless against a division rival and NOT be on the hot seat.
Hey man big fan of your vids, but just a small note.
There is a rumor going around that Flores wanted Herbert over Tua. As far as I understand (being a life long Phins fan) this is not true. If they could have traded up and gotten Joey B they would have, but barring that long shot Tua was the man. GM Chris Grier was at the very least not going to pick a QB without consulting Flores, but more likely just straight up went with whoever Flores wanted.
There is a lot of hindsight on Justin Herbert but at the time of the draft Tua was considered by EVERYONE to be the clear pick. Herbert didn't have the prettiest tape (from my understanding, I'm far from an expert) and was seen as more of a project. Nobody saw his crazy rookie season coming.
Due to his and Joey B's success Tua has been under a microscope and unfortunately will likely be considered a bust because he has 5 turnstiles for an O Line. I like Tua but at this point I really wonder if we haven't broken him : /
“Turnstiles for an O Line” = 🤣🤣🤣
Yeah my understanding was that flores wanted tua over herbert
Flores wanted Herbert, thats why he was going to bench Tua
“Turnstiles for an offensive line my guy Herbert had no o line in his rookie year but still broke records
If they had Herbert, they'd have a healthy QB for two straight seasons likely, and Flores would still have a job because they'd make the playoffs.
You forgot to mention the power struggle in San Francisco. During the early 2010s, John Harbaugh kept the 49ers in contention for a Super Bowl. Yet an ongoing conflict between Harbaugh, owner Jed York, and former GM Trent Balkke led to John being ousted. Before that, John took the 49ers to three NFC Conference Championship games and a Super Bowl appearance.
"Jim" Harbaugh... John Harbaugh is head coach of the Ravens
@@MarloSoBalJr OOPS!!!!!!! Thanks for correcting my mistake.
Obvious reasons: lack of success, lack of communication skills, failure to adjust to evolving playbooks, being a general douche with no respect
Not always obvious: office politics and power struggles in team organization, either when a team needs a scapegoat (ahem, Eagles) or if a star player demands someone gets let go
Baffling reasons: ego, power tripping (may or may not overlap with office politics), chasing trends without any knowledge or plan
I.e. Mike Zimmer.
He was guilty of a lot of these sins, plus had built a somewhat toxic environment (which shoulda been brought up as a factor especially in light of Urban Meyer, imo).
Unlike other coaches who lost a power struggle though, Zimmer managed to drag Rick Spielman down with him.
Chuck Noll didn’t record a winning season with the Steelers until his 4th year on the job. He didn’t win a Super Bowl until his sixth year. He held the job for 23 years.
Bill Belichick had a 5-13 record with the Pats before winning his first Super Bowl.
Bill Walsh won 8 games in his first two years on the job.
Tony Dungy was fired in Tampa, then lost his first playoff game with the Colts 41-0, and didn’t get a Super Bowl as a coach until his 11th year (6th as the Colts head coach).
Moral of the story: Sometimes patience and faith in the coach pay off in the long run.
Unfortunately game is far more demanding now. In today's league, there's no way Chuck noll opens with 4 straight losing seasons and keeps his job
@@m.robert123 Yeah but Noll had some pretty damn good excuses. Such as one of his first round picks literally dying after a promising start to his career.
This is true, and it can be more of an ownership/upper management problem rather than the coach, as the Schottenheimer example showed. People good at their jobs can't properly flourish if they're in a toxic environment. Bellichick's first HC gig was with the Browns, where he was fired. Would he have had success had he been able to stay? Maybe, but the Browns are a badly run team.
@@kitkat6782 Which player was this?
"The firing of Brian Flores (...) has forced the league into a reckoning over the failure of the Rooney rule"
No, it apparently made the NFL media scene to pick up the topic and chew on it for a couple of weeks - with the league knowing full well that it would die down eventually without any kind of real change, when the next Big Topic comes up... and Flores would be out of the league. Nothing changes in the NFL unless it is good for the owners.
Unless someone actively presses on the league, which is what I hope happens in the case of the Washington Commanders. The league wants this under the rug real bad and act like nothing bad happened. The truth of those emails and everything needs to see the light of day.
i dont think anything needs to be done.
there is no number of black coaches that need to be in the nfl.
there is no problem
Brian Flores should be the Raiders coach. He'd make their defense stout af
The Raiders hired Josh McDaniels (🤣🤣🤣) over Brian Flores
@@darealconman And I don't know why. Brian Flores is a good coach who would help the Raiders defense establish a strong foundation. While Josh McDaniels was bad with the Broncos, and bounced on the Colts immediately after getting the job.
@@darealconman LICKIN on da farts
Hell no. I don't want Flores. Dude isn't good with the locker room and is suing the damn NFL cause he's salty. People judging McDaniels based on his first and only HC job from over a decade ago are slow. Right now, the Raiders are building one of the best staffs in the league and Flores doesn't belong. Especially because we wouldn't have gotten these other great pieces if McDaniels wasn't here.
@@TryPuttingItInRice Question: What reason should I have to believe that McDaniels is going to be a good HC this time around?
FivePoint i just wanted to tell you that your videos have taught me so much. You are awesome 🙌
Thanks!!! Did I teach you how to cuss?
@@FivePointsVids Nahh the military did that; but you taught me how to add salt to the wounds and that’s what counts.
Running a QB sneak twice near your own goal line 😄😄😄
Flores is just misguided. He'd be good with the hawks or 49ers, they play more his style of football
Still trying to figure out how a coach who got wins out of generally not great Dolphins squad is "misguided".
@@johnchedsey1306
his coaching wasnt the problem its like you didnt watch the video
According to some people, being black gets you fired 🤣
Reeeeeeeeeeeeee NFL RacIsT
It’s when front offices get desperate look at how many coaches the browns have had since they’ve come back it’s because since day 1 they’ve been desperate to prove they can succeed and as a result they never give coaches time to build their team or bounce back from a bad season
I think part of it is due to fan pressure as well. For fans, the onus is always winning, and when that doesn't happen, they want heads to roll.
Reason number infinity as to why I never, ever trust the Browns, even if they happen to look good on occasion. I don't ever want to hear about how it's "their time" again.
I thought Flores was a good coach, but I lost all respect for him when he cried Racism, makes me think he's thw actual racist.
Nope just your average Black. I didn’t use to think that way, but living close to North Omaha showed me the truth.
@@trevinschaerr3732 riggggghhhhhtttt
IMO, his racism angle ruins his lawsuit. Unless he has some bombshell recording of the owners saying some racist stuff against him, he's going to lose the case badly.
A judge will just tell him that team owners can hire or fire anyone they like, no matter how shitty management is.
On a better managed franchise, Flores could've been a great coach. But now he never will be.
Yeah I think Flores was wrongly fired, but I don't know about him being a victim of racism. Once Joe Schoen got the Giants GM position, I just knew Brian Daboll would be hired as head coach, since they have connections from their time in Buffalo.
@@trevinschaerr3732 average black🤔 pipe down buddy
9-8, no playoff appearances in a couple seasons, bad relationship with his owner and QB gets you fired.
If you're a Washington head coach, being hired will result in your firing.
Miami Dolphins management doesn't know wtf its doing
Ok hear me out, there is one guy that is a bit of an outlier here, and really probably should have kept his job, and he was absolutely shafted by the team because he had a terrible offensive coordinator, bad ownership, and a team unwilling to spend on big name talent, even though they had multiple pro bowl players on both sides of the ball, a hall of famer, a couple future hall of famers, and rookies who were promising as all hell at the time. Jim Caldwell. The man was screwed out of a job, and everyone who doesn't have the last name Ford wishes he woulda got an extra year or two to see what he could do.
Relationships are the main reason no matter how many wins you get
Rule #1 for any senior exec is to get along with your boss. From what I understand , Flores didn’t make that effort. I’ve dealt with Ross in several non-football contexts over the years and found him to be a decent guy, demanding when he had the upper hand, and solicitous when he needed something. It’s not easy for a football coach, an expert in a demanding sport, to be respectful to an owner who is not an expert, though he may think so. Still that’s what the job entails. You don’t like it? Get another $MM salaried job.
If Flores is telling the truth the owner demanded he break league tampering rules and also break actual laws by deliberately losing. Like at some point "respecting the boss" just makes you a bootlicker and a fall guy
I strongly disagree-if they hired you, especially for such an important position, you have every right to demand some autonomy and input concerning decision-making
We live in a world where executives run companies into the ground yet they get golden parachutes. And then another cushy exec job awaits them. Ross has a history of horrible teams under his ownership. Flores had proven that he could take one of the worst rosters in the NFL (the 2019 squad) and get some wins out of them. I hope Flores utterly embarrasses the NFL owners with this lawsuit.
How does Five Points only have 325K subs with all his fire videos?
To go along with his annual meltdown after every Giants first round draft pick
😂😂😂
Completely wrong analysis on Matt Nagy. It wasnt the playcalling. It was his inability to change his scheme for his players. He always schemed for the players he WANTED, not the players he HAD.
Kinda the same thing, but different words what FivePoints said.
But Matt Nagy also failed developing Justin Fields for his rookie similar. Not as worse as Trevor Laurence but still.
I mean that's pretty much exactly what he said about Nagy towards Fields.
@@darianclark3980 I’m reporting you for harassment, please leave me alone
@@bananapee86 Huh? Is this a joke? Wtf
@@darianclark3980 you keep farting on da licks.
New reason: filing a lawsuit against the people who would be hiring you.
"What gets a head coach get fired?"
Steeler fans: "Head coaches get fired?"
You forgot to mention Sean Payton going 7-9 three straight seasons from 2014 to 2016.
I suppose he means in their first 2 seasons
That was more on the defense being shit iirc
2017 draft was insane
@@lydiavalentino yes it was. One of, if not the best, draft the Saints ever had.
@@lydiavalentino rooting for Vonn Bell and Trey Hendrickson this Sunday.
Love your unique style and analysis man. Very informative and entertaining 👍🏻
Thanks!!!
@@FivePointsVids I farted here
Culley was fired because Flores became available. Than Flores sued. Now we got Lovie. He should be ok.
Looking at Lovie's NFL record from the bears he did solid. I really do wish we could've got Flores but I really think you're right and the lawsuit was the deciding factor :(
@@silentstorm5439 I own a business and there is no way I am hiring someone who is sueing me. It's the ultimate conflict of interest.
Looooooool, u really picked the Pelicans over the Raptors during the betting thing at 1:48
Almost 2 months after the dolphins fired Flores as a dolphins fan I’d have to say it was the best decision the dolphins had made in 30 years
From a Jaguars fan, Meyer did himself in
Everyone acts like Hurts was setting records that last game when his numbers where so fucken awful the only question was what took Petersen so long to pull Hurts out of that game.
I was always told a coach got fired most of the time if he did not sleep with the owners wife when instructed to buy the owner
Is this referring to something specific?
@@TheTaquitoProject yes the truth
@@nickythebull82 no I just hadn’t learned about that yet and forgot to delete my comment,
"I was too good at my job... Which, like, is SO Miami."
-Flores in fiveish years
More reasons why Nagy was fired came out after he was gone... Mistreating his players, being too deep in his own ass, never adjusting to schemes against his plays, leaving qbs out to dry against overpowering defensive rushes... To name a few
Rule #1: never outshine the master
Grinding on girls and kicking kickers via urban Meyer
Record and Ego. That's the answer right? You're fired for either your record or someone's ego.
I want to see this for the big 4 (now 3)!
Great video! Way to put out regular content that entertains and informs!
Poor Duggy. Best of luck in Broward Co from the Philly faithful
I am so early my zoom class isn't even over
It's because he wouldn't tank. It's not about race it's about game throwing
I think him choosing not to tank is pretty commendable.
What really got him fired though was him trashing Tua - and missing the playoffs three straight years. Gave the owners and their shitty GM all the reason to fire him.
@@scaryhobbit211 agreed
Flores might get himself blackballed from future head coaching jobs because of his lawsuit.
well deserved
This video is great. Unfortunately its missing Matt Rhule bc the Panthers Organization decide to fire everyone but the Head Coach, which is pretty pathetic.
Matt Rhule was a terrible fucking coach.
If the coach did offer you $100 k to lose a game you should resign on the spot.
I was just a boy back in the early 2000s and 1990s. Were head coaching jobs always so seemingly volatile?
No
No
Tbf, that time period was somewhat anomalous in how many long term HCs there were-Cower, Fisher, Shula, Mike Shanahan, Belichick…all these guys spent years and years with the same team as HC
There’s also guys like Jimmy Johnson and Dungy, etc who split their careers between only two teams
Why is Steve Wilks on the back to back losing season at 6:25 in the video? He only got one season with the Arizona Cardinals. I could see if he had a second season. The Bidwell family decided to drop the ax and go with Kliff Kingsbury and Kyle Murray after getting rid of both the coaching staff and quarterback from the previous season.
Its just a random collage of fired coaches
@@FivePointsVids I also noticed Jim Caldwell. He was fired after back to back *winning* seasons with the Lions of all teams.
Jim Harbaugh was 100% power trip
You know, I see racism brought up alot. You all might be right. Marvin Lewis, African American Head Coach, of the Cincinnati Bengals for 16 years without as much as one single playoff win. In the closing moments of a 2015 playoff game vs. The rival Steelers three undisciplined players cost the team the game. Hill, Burfict, and Pacman Jones were the names of the players. Hill fumbled when the game was in the bag, Burfict was a 4th down penalty taking a cheap shot that was totally unnecessary and the team was penalized and Pacman added another penalty for good measure. If that wasn't awful enough their head coach, Marvin Lewis, brought all three players back the following year. Of course, Lewis himself returned and NEVER led the Bengals to another playoff game. All four of the before mentioned should have been cut/fired prior to the start of the 2016 season. No excuses no questions answered. Too easy. However, the teams failure or apprehension or fear or whatever set the franchise into a cultural tailspin that signaled to the rest of the league and those sought after free agents that there is zero accountability in Cincinnati. Who wanted to come to Cincinnati then and get busted up over 16 games and then have bad tempered undisciplined idiots to blow it for you because they can't control themselves? Plus they keep their jobs also? So, based on performance, among other things, why wasn't Marvin Lewis rightly terminated? I mean much sooner. No NFL team has even considered hiring him since he mutually agreed to finally leave Cincinnati. He is now a Nobody Special Advisor for Arizona State University for Herm Edwards. Some keep crying about opportunities and others fail to mention the opportunity one coach, Lewis, received which was way beyond what was reasonable and fair. 16 years, the media was comparing Marvin Lewis to Bill Belichick. Belichick has wins, he has playoff wins, he has multiple Super Bowl appearances and wins. Lewis has none of these as a head coach yet his tenure approached that of Belichick? What is wrong with this picture? I know whenever something that could possibly be considered racist concerning hiring practices occurs it is jumped all over by leaps and bounds. The bandwagon fills up quickly too. I think there is more to this as a whole then just what Brian Flores wants to do to influence how others feel about it based on what he himself thinks. This racist thing all began by making teams interview a certain number of candidates based on race. There is no getting around that even though it keeps getting interpreted in other ways. Like it is a rule but it has to be followed in the spirit as if you really and truly want to interview these candidates without regard to race but so is you know X amounts you interview need to be what is considered a minority race. Everyone knows what that means despite the casual nonchalant natural way owners and GMs are supposed to conduct their interviews and hiring of candidates they themselves have every right in the world to choose. Just make sure it is diversified. You are not investing money. Some say minority owners are needed. You going to force owners to sell their franchises because the color split is off? I know owners in other sports have been forced to sell due to being labeled as racists. Being recorded without their knowledge in some cases also. You want to earn something or have it handed to you? I think the ultimate goal is to just get it or get to the desired balance, whatever that is determined to be, no matter how it occurs. If it is earned based on hard work I am 100 percent for it. If it is gifted based on some racial or even gender quota I am not for it. That is not equal opportunity. That is not what Dr. Martin Luther King was for either.
nice novel, bro.
once again great video FPV ya Wins and Loses arent always the Determining Factor in Coach getting Canned
i'm on the side of flores and other coaches who been released, (Lovie smith), for being fired despite winning seasons.
Still don’t know how Marvin Lewis stuck for so long on the bengals
One thing that wasn’t mentioned that was surprising is losing the locker room. Once a coach (or manager in baseball) does it there’s usually no going back.
Man I’d love to have Flores anywhere on my team’s coaching staff. Doesn’t matter if it’s HC or special teams, that man clearly knows football. I think he’d be a great fit for the Texans. Hope he actually gets a fair chance with his next team.
Agree 100%
i hope he doesn't pulling the race card ruins him.
"Yup I'm Jinxing The Bengals Baby"
😂That Statement Aged So Well
back to back winning seasons mean nothing if you don’t make the playoffs in either of them
Five points would be the best head coach of all time
Putting Jamarcus Russel on Lana Kiffen is completely unfair. He never wanted to draft him he wanted Megatron. Al Davis just never lost his hard on from seeing Jamarcus through the ball 60 yards on his knees.
Is Jeff Fischer can hold on for fifteen years in Tennessee…
Could you imagine Jerry Jones and Jimmy Johnson going at it, just all sweaty and out of breath laying their bare skin on top of each other.
Ya know what Five, I was at a point where the name "Christian Ponder" no longer popped into my head to do random bits of damage, but now you've gone and reopened the wound. WHY VIKINGS WHY
joe judge punching the air rn
The Giants will regret not hiring me
Hey is there any way you could land the Patriots' OC position and later become Belichick's successor? It would really help my Bills.
It’s been reported that Flores wanted anyone but Herbert. He has a losing record as HC when Tua is NOT the starter. He was fired after back to back winning seasons so he fits in the power struggle category.
Well we have Kliff Kingsbury who magically kept his seat this season. Right now he is on the hot seat.
I love this channel. So entertaining
Kinda weird but anyone else notice Brian Flores wearing the dolphins old logo on his hat but the new logo on his jacket 😂
Let’s not forget Judge’s press conference after that Bears game!
Rooney rule.... it only says you have to interview 2 outside minority candidates. Says nothing about considering or seriously looking at them. It just says must interview.
You're a token again... congratulations, you played yourselves.
Yeah, they were just playing by your affirmative action rule. But you still complain. Lol
It would probably be better if the Rooney Rule never existed.
That way if a black coach is being interviewed it's because they are seriously being considered.
Now? Teams will only interview black coaches to fulfill a checkmark, when they may have *Their Guy* already lined up beforehand.
Is it any wonder many of these interviews are a sham? In trying to combat racism, the NFL made it *more* racist.
@@scaryhobbit211 gasp, I am incredibly shocked that the nfls idea of combating racism is more racism.
Get rid of the rooney rule and let black people start they own football league
it's not racism. we live in a society full of entitled people. imagine being in the 1% of 1%. Brian Flores is worth millions of dollars. Dollars. Even if he didn't get offered a head coaching job because of much racism he'll be able to land a head coaching job at a division. one football college and still make millions of dollars a year. That doesn't sound like a land of racism. It sounds like a land of opportunity. I'm sorry things didn't work out for him, but no matter where you land, you're better off than 99.999999% of the rest of the world. Thanks for the common sense, i thought no more sane people were left in this country
If we are being real Flores worked against Tua that is a sign of a bad coach
If it was racism then Mike Tomlin wouldn't be head coach, Jason Sehorn wouldn't be the last white cornerback from 2002 to 2021 when Troy Apke switches from safety to corner, and 70% of the players would be gone and there wouldn't be a 15 year gap between 1985 and 2010 where no white running backs reached 1,000 rushing yards
The coach doesn’t drop passes, they don’t throw interceptions. They get victimized by these organizations as a excuse for loss. Coaches should be more long term
Raheem Morris also got fired from the Bucs missing on a QB picking Josh Freeman.
Funnily enough, funnily is a real word. Sounds funny, funnily enough.
You five points. Did you do th voice inda new 5hour energy commercial?
Here's an idea for a video. Why teams won't hire Eric Bienemy as a head coach.
Maimi's front office absolutely seething that they tanked for an average QB lmao
Fields could become Chicago’s best QB since Luckman
Bears haven’t had a good QB since Johnson was President.
_Andrew_ Johnson. 😉
@@joeylawn36111 Andrew Jackson or LBJ?...
@@MarloSoBalJr it was a joke - Andrew Johnson, 17th President, succeeded Abraham Lincoln
Uh, when they suck?
In Miami and Detroit, it’s apparently finish over .500
That's ok. Miami will have something resembling an NFL offense next year.
Don’t forget the ny offensive coordinator was Jason Garrett
Dolphins a L for firing Flo. Dude wanted Herbert and was right and they fired him for winning💀
He wanted Love and firing Flores and hiring McDaniel was an excellent choice
Flores getting fired was legitimately stupid if you ask me
He has a better W-L record than Zac Taylor of the Bengals. Both Taylor and Flores were officially hired after the Patriots/Rams Super Bowl.
@@fromthehaven94 Except Taylor has made it to the Super Bowl in his third year despite two (really bad) losing seasons prior.
Meanwhile Flores - despite having a better record - missed the playoffs for the third straight year in a row.
stupid but not racist
@@EvilDickism both funnily enough
you jinxed the bengals
jim Caldwell getting fired still don't make since to me to this day
You touched on it, but didn't list it as a reason per se. One clear reason a coach gets fired in the NFL is that he doesn't honor the head office mandate to take a dive when he's asked. You mentioned this of Flores, but the more clear example of that is David Culley, who appears to have been fired for winning four games with a team that was engineered to fail.
Brian Flores didn't deserve to get fired. He lead miami to back to back winning seasons for the first time since 2002-2003.
I was dancing when Brian Flores fired and when tom Brady retired
i understand the tom brady hate but why the floes hate?
@@EvilDickism dolphins that’s no hate to himself just I hate the dolphins cause I’m a jets fan
What gets a coach fired?
Me before watching the vid:
If they are not controllable, "yes sir" robots.
Me after watching:
Ok, the answer is much more nuanced. I stand corrected. XD
Before I watch the rest of the video, why do I get the feeling that one of the reasons will be that the coach isn't willing to accept an owner's culture? (Looking at all the coaches who were fired only to be replaced by a puppet)
Close
That's a reasonable interpretation of the Jerry Jones/Jimmy Johnson situation
Doug hung around like a week after that loss. They fumbled the crap out of that situation.
Chicago loves hiring coaches who have a unorthodox and extra creative playbook that has worked for a spell at previous places. The problem with Martz and Nagy is they are convinced these plays can work anywhere, even if the teams are complete opposite of where they were successful, and worse is they are unwilling to adapt and change things up. For both of them they would need stellar offensive lines and for both of them we lacked just that. Mike has Cutler do a 7 step drop back 3 times in a row and each time he's hit before he can turn around and plant his foot... What does Mike call for the next 5 plays? More 7 step drop backs. He was doing exactly what the definition of insanity down to the letter... Sadly I don't think things will improve until grandma McCaskey moves on
Incompetent ownership
I don't think Kiffen wanted JaMarcus Russell lol