29 May 1985 BBC1 - Joe Fagan interview post-Heysel
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- Barry Davies interviews outgoing Liverpool manager Joe Fagan following Liverpool's 1-0 defeat by Juventus at the Heysel Stadium in Brussels, played under the shadow of the terrible events that preceded the match.
Joe is one of the great forgotten managers in English football. He achieved a treble the year before. I’m an arsenal fan, big Joe was a gent.
I am an Evertonian, but to me, Joe Fagan was one of the finest men to grace the football world. A true gentleman. I have family members who knew Joe, and apparently he was just the same off the camera - a really humble man, very witty but gentle and self effacing.
To be honest I’m in total agreement with what you’re saying I’m a Liverpool supporter and was there with me dad and granddad and i was totally shocked with what happened i felt so bad for Joe and it was a terrible way he had his final game
I really don’t want anyone who supports Liverpool in this way
God bless you Joe you deserve better
@@marcturner3647 well said. Goverment had some accuracy by calling them hooligans but mistake ALL LIVERPOOL FANS shouldnt all be labelled HOOLIGANS GOVERNMENT GOT IT WRONG THEIR. . SOME WAS . YOU SAID RIGHT.
I'm a Man United fan and I'd agree - he was an absolute gentleman.
First time seeing that interview. Joe Fagan a gentleman to his fingertips. Not enough people like him in the world of sport today
Me and my family are bitter blues but my mum adored Joe Fagan. She'd walk by his house on the way to school and he'd always say hello and ask her about Everton.
Not long after Heysel he went to her school and held a talk with the lads there and no girls were allowed. My mum argued with the teachers that most of the lads never even went to watch Everton or Liverpool and she had been going to Goodison for years, and her and Fagan himself convinced the school to let her go to the assembly.
A truly great manager and a great person who was a great representative of his club and even more so the City as a whole.
Poor Joe...never got over the tragic events at heysel....A sad and tragic way to retire from football...RIP
He didn't know-how to respond to the questions. Very sad
My all time favourite Liverpool Manager and that was way before Heysel. So so sad to see the great man looking that depressed. RIP Mr Fagan , you'll never be forgotten, YNWA.
There spoke a broken man.
Never fully got over the events at Heysel, apparently.
@Gavin star i feel sorry for him how it ended for him.
Joe Fagen was a great man and considering what a shameful night that was for English Football that was an incredible interview.
This is the first time that I have seen this interview, Mr Fagan gave a very dignified interview.
Cant imagine any manager today would make such a long and open interview after any game let alone one that contained a disaster. They were scary times for football. I remember going to old trafford with my dad as a youngster and it was electric but bordering on dangerous. There was always the threat of trouble. Football as a whole was a ticking timebomb for me and the fact that the timebomb went off during a showpiece game between two of the best teams in the world at the time magnified it all the more.
Jonathon Gates not condoning anything Liverpool fans did that night but uefa have to take a large chunk of responsibility for choosing a crumbling decrepit stadium for the biggest game of the season. I'm a United fan and old Trafford in the 80's was brilliant, a lot better than the quiet church like atmosphere it has now
Megalodon Unlocked I never saw any trouble at all at old Trafford in the 80’s or any other time for that matter. Just a brilliant atmosphere in the 80’s and early 90’s
@Megalodon Unlocked Childish remarks, and silly over-defensiveness, just because someone mentions a personal memory that happens to involve Manchester United's stadium.
No one was 'murdered' at Heysel, and it's a common pattern with United fans to use that word without apparently understanding what it means. The fans who died were suffocated in a crowd crush. They were at the opposite end of the terrace from where the Liverpool fans were standing when they died.
But hey, you want to score cheap points, I can answer your question by suggesting you Google 'Paul Nixon Crystal Palace'. Now THAT was murder, and, yes, committed by Manchester United fans.
Megalodon - really? From 83 in a FA cup game at OT it was a hooligan fest even before the train pulled into Manchester. There wouldn't be a window left intact. Then you ran the gauntlet getting to and from the ground. Whilst in the stadium you were constantly dodging missiles. I witnessed that every season until 92. I remember family members mentioning a league cup tie in 76 when hundreds of Evertonians got a hiding. Most clubs had a hooligan element in the 70s and 80s Utds the biggest of them all. You lot were banned from Europe well before Liverpool - remember St Ettienne?
@Megalodon Unlocked That is the definition of a crowd crush. Fucking illiterate idiot.
That was a very honest interview, seems like he was an honorable modest man. Tragic lessons were learned that night.....and football still needs to keep learning from it.
Joe was a wonderful man & still very much loved from LFC, he never deserved this ending to his long career - YNWA
A class act.
Great manager, felt so sorry for this man RIP Joe (from a Forest Fan)
Very dignified from Fagan
What a way for Joe to finish he should have been offered another year to help him get over this he didn't deserve to leave on this tragedy
he wanted to leave
He'd already announced his retirement a couple of days before the disaster. What he saw at Heysel would have taken away any thought of ever changing his mind.
I'm only 9 years old on 1.985, but i'll remember perfectly watching the final on TV. Was an horror. What a disaster, poor JOE FAGAN, great coach.
"Disaster" ?.... MURDER !!!
I was 12 when I watched the game live on TV and was horrified by what I was seeing. UA-cam Heysel Disaster - Requiem For A Cup. It's a brilliant documentary.
@@AA-69 There were convictions for manslaughter. Calm yourself down.
@@MrIrishscouse LFC murderers! Even in Paris you were causing problems same as always
I liked Joe. I felt LFC didnt want to play and Juve did. One thing for sure Platini was a cheat.
Liar..
Un altro italiano antijuventino che rosica
PERDENTI solo rubando vincono Moratti e berluscon
Infatti 11 anni senza scudetti per le milanesi dopo calciopoli bis
Spot on lad, we were cheated by a ridiculous penalty decision and I will never forget how he celebrated that penalty when 40 people lay dead no more than 50 yards away, fuck you Platini your a disgrace and also a very corrupt man !
@@alanmansell9845 you stole to Benfica on 8/ finals
3-1 hand ball foul.0-1 in Lisbona
Liverpool stole in Rome tor Rome
Foul on thegoal keeoer..
You stole in 2005
Liverpool juventus 2-1
Gol del Piero disallowed.....
Liverpool 1984 85
Zero TITOLI
Intercontinental Cup
1981
Liverpool flamengo 0-3
1984
Liverpool Independente 0-1
Supercoppa europea
Juve Liverpool 2-0 Boniek Boniek
29 / 05/1985
Juventus Liverpool 1-0
Penalty Is good
Deny an obvious Scoring opportunity
Non dire cazzate sui morti
Scemo
@@alanmansell9845 yeah I was going to say he was something else also but I'll just say politely he was a horrible person.
Hooliganism... Is a STAIN on this great game.
- The World Over.
If only all in football were as gracious and had such a passion for football like Joe. Legend. It was sad that the interview was unable to reflect on such a great career as player, coach and manager.
My great uncle ❤️
Joe fagan was a great man and he didn't deserve this, so so sad 😢 love you Joe 💙
Those fans were a complete disgrace compared to this gentleman Joe Fagan.
I remember the night very well, unfortunately. Terrible times indeed. Very sad.
Genuine man...Liverpool legend.x
In simplistic terms if liverppols end of the ground wasnt shared and only housed liverpool fans like juventus did at their end .this tragedy would never had happened
Always the victims it's never your fault.
@@stephenefc2515always the bitters. Mind your own business
From an Evertonian.. I always thought Joe fagan was a great man and was my favourite liverpool manager.. He had a lot of respect for Howard kendall and vice versa.. RIP Joe ❤❤❤❤
An honest interview. Poor Mr Fagan. A nightmare evening for everybody and for football. RIP
I am not joking he is my great uncle he is my great grandads brother
Bodgan 11 - That doesn't make him your great uncle, you pillock. Don't you understand the family generations?
@@SMSJSC grand uncle, great uncle. Same thing
Fondly remembered at Manchester City.
@@shredder9536yes, grand uncle, great uncle. But you’ve still missed a generation
Poor man never got over this
Fagan, Moran and Evans were a massive part of Liverpool's success through 60's, 70's and 80's.
He had a breakdown from it but did say he'd only do 2 seasens.
JOE YOU ARE FONDLY THOUGHTVOF AND LOVED IN OUR HEARTS. AWAY FROM THIS THE bit I dont like this applies to GOVERNMENT and Some yes some Liverpool fans . Some Liverpool fans did behave or was hooligans in Heysel as The programme years after it there was Liverpool fans admitted Liverpool's fault. GOVERNMENT shouldnt referred to LIVERPOOL FANS AS HOOLIGANS. SMALL MINORITY WAS THAT NIGHT.UEFA SHOULDNT HAVE PUNISHED TEAM AND OTHER FOOTBALL TEAMS FROM EUROPEAN FOOTBALL
Such a shame for a real football man to say he would walk away from the the game when he retired with his head down. Thats from a utd fan
The beginning of the end of the dark age of English football.
Not really. Look at the Euro 20 (21) final at Wembley.
Heysal was a death trap!
Certainly was after LFC fans went on a rampage!! If everyone had just sat and watched the game, it would have been perfectly safe. Hey ho.... I watched the events unfold on TV, plus the post match arrests and trials,
@@zx7-rr486 the stadium was falling apart. Even the Juventus fans said that after that night
@@zx7-rr486 welll have a question?.... who's idea was it, to have both the liverpool and juventus fans right next to each other in the same end of the stadium?...With also only a chicken wire fence and a thin line of police keeping the fans apart.
Why was that ground chosen?? It was falling apart!! Why weren’t Liverpool given all of that end?? Questions UEFA have never answered. I wonder why??
@@mrkipling2201 your excuses are a joke
Good Bloke, feel bad for him that his fantastic career in football ended so tragically
I've never seen this. Omg! I was watching this on TV as a kid.
Joe presume s it was his teams supporters....🧐🤣
At that stage no-one had a clear idea of what happened so what are you on about?
I don't think English football has ever recovered. I'm still ashamed.
l think we have now...lt has taken decades to rid the game of violence on the terraces
We also of course had the Bradford City fire only a few weeks before, then in 1989 the Hillsborough disaster. At least stadium safety for the crowd are miles better than they were in 1980s.
@kevinprior3549 no it is still happening now that. Including racist.
Liverpool fans will always live with the shame
Even Liverpool supporters who weren't actually AT Heysel that night?
@@MrIrishscouse and i'm actually one of them...l was seven and vividly remember watched it unfold that night..a shameful moment for our great club and english football...And 30 years since the premier league's birth. english football is still recovering
@@nikreece6295 Should Liverpool supporters like you and me live with the shame of a minority's crimes? I don't live with it because I wasn't even born when it happened. It's like saying every Protestant in Northern Ireland is a Loyalist paramilitary or every Catholic in Northern Ireland is a Provo. Everyone knows that isn't true. I'm not accepting culpability for a crime someone else committed because I have nothing to be ashamed of, no matter what supporters of other clubs believe. And you shouldn't either.
It was 38 years ago
In Italy some juventus hater talk about t'ha heysel only because juventus Is the best squad in the xx century in Europa Wikipediia
Liverpool fans should not be judge for somoneelse crime.
You are right
@@fabiosciarrelli9999 since you mentioned that senor fabio...l'm a liverpool fan...And in recent years i've seen on TV and social media, fans from lnter, torino, genoa and especially florentina fans all mocking juve fans by wearing liverpool fc colours to get at the juventus fans when they face each other...All because of other clubs's haterd towards juventus......they are total scum bags in my opinion...l have no time for fans of any club that does that
6:56 "we're presuming it was the Liverpool supporters..." Indeed it was Joe!
Naw,Chelski fans with lpool shirts on mate…ffs.
Liverpool are guilty of “history-washing” this event cos it reflects bad on them. Like the 1985 FA CUP semi final too when they put fans in wheels chairs . But Hillsborough… Jesus. Fact! Thousands of Liverpool fans showed up and went through that gate adding to the police mismanagement and poor stadium design. But we aren’t allowed to say that. That’s why they don’t win in court cos the maths doesn’t lie
@@paulritchie5868 Scousers are always on the other side of the road and never see anything and they wonder why people hate them.
Proven to be police fuck up ,nothing to do with fans
So?
"we'd still have to carry on doing or job" 🤔 now where have we heard that before ?!?! Thank christ they didn't win, That would have been more embarrassing !!!
That's why the referee didn't give the penalty to Liverpool, for a clear and blatant foul on Ronnie Whelan. Apparently he said to the Liverpool players " there's no way we're going to 1-1 ". It's also why he gave the penalty to Juventus for a foul on Boniek which was clearly way outside the penalty area.
If match wasn't played it would have been worst ,,doctors nurses firemen have to keep on working,your aspersions to nazism is foul ,shame on you ,they are footballers doing what they're told
5:01 Ultimately they brought in modern football to England by creating the Premier League in 92 which forced the clubs to modernize their stadium by converting it to an all-seater model (cf Taylor report), also the tickets prices increased dramatically which forced many of the violent supporters out of the stadiums.
Liverpool fans always hard done by. But there always in the middle of it. But its never there fault. 2022 same old story . Only one common denominator......... . The only thread through it all is Liverpool fans. And not to mention Hillsborough... Not there fault either. But they were there. 1000.s of fans trying to get into a ground when they knew the didn't have a ticket. But still not there fault.... 🤔
The only common denominator is bad policing. Heysel and Hillsborough are also further linked as they were poor choice of venue...Heysel was a dump and Hillsborough was only marginally better than Heysel.
@@Adam-pu6jg it always seems to be the police's fault where Liverpool fans are concerned, the Athens final and then Paris with fake tickets, always the victims aren't you
@@andrewdavy9921 you believe that shit about fake tickets! "Fake tickets" is a classic example of a bungling authority "speaking russian" when they want to deflect blame away from themselves.
Oh btw, I'm not a Liverpool fan.
@@Adam-pu6jg In the 80's it was common practice for fans to turn up to big games late with no tickets, as the police might let them in rather than risk trouble.
Pity your parents didn’t abort you
what would be a witness of this video
I can make an Objective view ... I felt the same as a 20 year old then, I know the same now!.
I never supported football violence, yet it went on ... we have to understand that, as it was a major factor.
Given that main factor, WHY did U.E.F.A. choose and outdated substandard So Called "Football Stadium" that was on a par with a Forth Division Football Ground in England???
The ground was falling apart, no good standard segregation partition sectioning and many people did not get their tickets checked, they just went in ... This Was The Outstanding FACTOR!.
Another factor (from the Liverpool fans perspective) was the post events of the previous years final played in Rome/Italy against Roma who lost to Liverpool on penalties ... On leaving the stadium, Liverpool fans including Many Women and children were pelted with stones/bricks/wood spat on and physically attacked.
Coming back to the Brussels final in 85 pre match, in the day many "Non Liverpool" English National Front (N.F.) scum bags were there with anti Italian slogans goading Liverpool fans into violence against the Italians ... Liverpool fans just wanted to drink, sing and play football with Italian fans ...
In the Effort of "a ground" at the final, the Italian fans changed and became very aggressive throwing all the things I mentioned in Italy, plus fireworks and showing knives ... the N.F. scum bags goaded Liverpool fans again and "It Worked This Time" ... they charged on the Italians, they ran and The Crush Happened !!! Tragic.
I blame three parties; U.E.F.A. for using such an Unexceptionable venue
Liverpool F.C. and Juventus for excepting that Unexceptionable venue.
@@gerardwilliams4550 Please re-read my last paragraph !!!
The fans who charged across the barrier are responsible
Nothing to do with NF agitators or Chelsea headhunters being involved that was a lie that came.from Liverpools then chairman John Smith to shift blame away from Liverpool fans , 14 Liverpool supporters all from Merseyside were convicted of manslaughter , some were known hooligans ,non had right wing affiliations
@@merseydave1Liverpool raised objections to the choice of venue way before the final.
@@mrkipling2201 Yet they NEVER stated their disagreements in public, and played the final after all those deaths ... shameful
Looked devastated there did Joe. He was Liverpool through and through and didn't really deserve his tenure to end on such a horrible note. Heysel was probably the lowest point ever for English football, and Liverpool supporters still don't accept the damage they did to the game in this country in getting everyone banned. That said, UEFA should never have picked such a sub-standard stadium for such a big game.
I totally respect what you have said, and you said Liverpool supporters dont accept the damage they did , as a Liverpool supporter and season ticket holder i was there that tragic night .
Yes the game should not have been held in a ground that was not up for a match between us and Juventus , U E A F A were to blame for staging a game of this magnitude , and yes Liverpool fans too, but if you were there , the bottles , stones and everything else that came over the chicken wire fence that separated us from them was unbeliveable , i was only 16 at the time and was there with my dad , we never watched the match we just went back to the hotel.
Yes a bad few stormed the fence , but why were U E A F A not to blame , Why were our flags with there poles taken out before we went in and Juventus fans not , who were the Juventus fans on the pitch goading the police with scarves rapped round there faces .
Im a football fan first and formost and this kind of shit should never happen ,but we were not the only ones to blame for this .
I can't disagree with much that you've said. The segregation was a joke and so was the ticket arrangements with that so-called 'neutral section' which ended up full of Juve fans.That ground was due to be knocked down and rebuilt anyway so god knows why UEFA choose it. But if both sets of fans go and watch the match and behave themselves then this doesn't happen. It was easy for UEFA to just put all the blame on English fans given our then reputation, but a few others factors caused this disaster. UEFA should have took more responsibilty and it was just Liverpool who should have been banned.
Yes , sadly i agree with you , i was caught up in the Hillsborough disaster , which changed my life, im not comparing it to Heysel but i no what a crush is like and i can imagine what it was like for the fans who died and thank god escaped .
I love my football but my dad has always said to me that every game we play , win or lose we should respect the other team and thats what ive always done.
Ive been to so many games home , away ,Europe and all over the world but the one thing i respect is that have a laugh if you win or lose and just take it .
One more thing , thanks for understanding my point of view .
CHEERS to THE PROD 1991.
liverpool pleaded with uefa many many times to sort out the segregation leading up to this match. So of course lets heap the blame on liverpool when shit all was done and the obvious happened!
TheProd1991 so what about the Juve fans who threw missiles. Funny how people like to ignore this fact
It's never mentioned the role the Juventus fans played that day.
Hooliganism was rife back then in English football, a stain which held football back but it's never been addressed in Italy.
Everytime a foreign team plays Italian opposition what happens?
Stabbings, beatings, shooting, muggings and murders.
Juventus, Roma, Napoli to name a few are amongst the worst offenders. You should listen to the stories of the fans who had been to matches in Europe leading up to the 85' final what the Italians had done to them in previous matches.
Shut up fool, Liverpool were responsible for the collapse of the wall.. fact
Listen, I’m English but in this case the Juventus fans did nothing wrong. There’s no possible blame you can attach to the Italians.
There may have been anger after the attacks from Roma supporters the previous year, but nothing justifies what Liverpool fans did on that day.
@@That_Random_Bloke We chased the bastards back after they lobbed all sorts and the rest at us, came after us. The cowards ran after we decided enough was enough.
Nobody deserved to die that day and nobody ever deserves to lose their life watching any sport but to keep carrying on like the Italians are angels is laughbale.
@@That_Random_Bloke Attacked us whilst we made our way into the ground too.
@@DerRoterKaiser you need arrested.
The ref robbed Liverpool for what it was worth , boniek was outside the box when fouled and he was looking for the penalty
I don't think anybody gave a toss about the result.
Whelan hacked down and no pen given
Colin Jennings the fact that they banned all English clubs shows UEFA is fucking corrupt. They could’ve just banned us for a couple years- if it never happened we could’ve gone so much further
@@NotSoRandom_ Well the obvious punishment would have been to ban JUST LFC, no one else. The injustice of banning future English Champs for 5 years, who had absolutely nothing to do with Heysel. And to think that LFC bang on about "justice"!
Nobody gave a shit.. By then the players knew what had happened
Gentleman, humble ? Even Saint Joe refused to blame or acknowledge it was Liverpool fans. Was it Juve v Juve or a mass suicide? The next day Liverpudlian's were telling Evertonians how they had knocked them out of the European Cup without kicking a ball. No empathy , no class.
Like Everton know what class is. Chasing Anthony Gordon in the street. Pot kettle black
@sib1930 You're comparing idiotic youths to Club officials. Immediately after Heysel the accusations began, even the chairman blamed Southern Chelsea supporters for causing the trouble. That was 20 minutes after the final whistle. Liverpudlians also claimed UEFA of instructing the referee, under no circumstances was he to allow Liverpool to become European Champions. These Liverpudlians,who now seem to believe they hold the moral high ground of English Football, we're telling jokes about Heysel. Immediately after the game it was Italians not liking walls ( Walls Ice-cream) not a funny joke but it's not a funny subject is it? Then after the ban it was " we knocked Everton out of the European Cup without kicking a ball ". Now imagine the uproar if Hillsborough jokes were told. After Hillsborough we had the City quite rightly coming together. The blue and red mascots at the Goodison Derby walking onto the pith to the song ' he ain't Heavy, he's My Brother was something Every Evertonian should be proud of. Then at Anfield years later Kenwright and Martinez put Liverpools officials to shame speaking from the heart. Move onto Suarez and his despicable racial abuse of Evra. The club only brought shame onto themselves. Officials and players behaved deplorably. Yes I know a thing or two about class.
I was 16 at the time looking forward to a great and hopefully seeing liverpool win the european cup but what unfolded was tragic I dont think the Italians were wholly innocent I'm not disputing it was liverpool fans who charged juventus fans but if the wall hadn't collapsed their wouldn't have been deaths or very few. Yet so many rival fans call us murderer's I'm not belittling what happened but the fans were charged with manslaughter as it was an accident.
The collapse of the wall actually helped the fans crushed up against it because it released the pressure of those fans and enabled them to escape. The people who died was a result of the crushing against that wall. If it had collapsed straight away then we probably wouldn’t have seen any deaths. Definitely not as many.