I am loving this game more than you are, but this was still a well informed and articulated point and I enjoyed the video! Also, to shill my own stuff here, my latest video on my own channel seems to be something in your wheelhouse, if you and/or your fans wanted to share it somewhere: ua-cam.com/video/2bIl3vEE9ws/v-deo.html
@@ShamusYoung awesome to hear and thanks for the pin! It means a lot to hear you say that, your mass effect series literally got me through two years of mind numbing retail as I read it in between customers. Keep up the great work and thanks again!
@@joeykeilholz925 Yeah. I am so lost on how the Legendary system works now. I just know I have an amazing assualt rifle that shoots bullets out in a helix pattern that is my primary weapon. Pretty much my only weapon since I use Iron Bear a ton.
I feel like the problem with BL3's Writing can be summed up with the idea that almost any line spoken by Traumatized Scientist with crippling Social Anxiety Dr. Patricia Tannis is completely interchangeable with almost any line spoken by Spastic Clingy always-seeking-approval Obnoxious Claptrap. These characters (among many others) should be almost diametrically opposed in the way they approach any given scenario but the writing is such that effectively every character is the same. They are all "crazy random weirdos" who spout "wacky off-the-wall dialogue"
I disagree mainly for pointless features like sliding and butt slamming (I don't care what 3 calls it, because it's a shitty version of the butt slam from pre sequel) and mayhem 4 inconsistency depending on your build and the stats for that map you can either have a map filled with near impossible enemies or have a map easier than mayhem 2&3
Pointless features doesn't detract from the fact that every other aspect of mechanical gameplay has been improved from gunplay to visuals (ledge grabbing was also very welcomed). As far as mayhem 4 being affected by builds, could you clarify? Is it the game populating the levels with weak enemies, or is it just game busting builds? I wouldn't know since I've only made it to mayhem 2 before I got bored with Moze and BL3 and re-booted New vegas
@@pooperscooperltm6312 ok so you know anointed from non mayhem bl3 imagine them with 10x the health 10x the damage and if your using the wrong element your damage will be in single digits now imagine that was EVERY ENEMY IN THE GAME even the "grunt" enemies that's mayhem 4 Despite that if your build is proper you can be a near god until a badass shows up Let's say you were playing mayhem 4 and the perks are +25% crit damage but -30% elemental damage along with the permant 1000% enemy health shield and armor, Moze Amara Flynt are dead the moment they open fire cause they dont have builds that properly maximize crit damage Fl4k on the other hand can do so regardless of how poorly his end game build is Many time I've had game where 3 teammates went down and i was the only one standing cause I was the only one that could stand and actually fight
@@almalone3282 Gotcha 👌. That does sound really shit tier. If they ever release a difficulty overhaul or an interesting dlc character, I might jump back. Till then, bl2 is still my favorite
Legendaries are common. The actual legendaries that would greatly benefit my build are so rare I've never found them. Also, finding legedaries before reaching level cap felt so pointless because there was no reason to keep them for long.
Ah!! I thought it was just me who was getting tons of Legendaries in BL3. It has gotten to the point multiple times where I would get randomized Legendaries like crazy. Whereas in BL2 getting a Legendary was one of those experiences where you would fight to the death to nab before they would seemingly always fall through the ground or fly off the map's edge somehow, or otherwise mysteriously vanish. In Borderlands 3 many of the Legendaries I would get would not mesh well or at all with my Zane build. Though it would be nice to test out different Legendaries to see their various effects. In Borderlands 1, Pre-Sequel, and 2, I had to rely on SupMatto and some other UA-camrs to learn about such Legendaries due to them spawning so rarely. Because Legendaries are so commonplace compared to the previous games in BL3 they no longer have remotely the same "I GOTTA HAVE THAT LEGENDARY NOW!!!" mentality or feel. It is just "Oh. Wow. Another Legendary. Cool.". At least to me anyways.
@@adamgray1753 Wow xD I don't even think I got more than 3 legendraries in any of the earlier games. Legendaries were so rare I never thought about them very much. It's only because I got so many legendaries in BL3 that I decided to look up which legendaries would suit my build. Now it's no fun to get legendaries because it's never anything that actually helps me. xD
Yep. I think the sound and visuals of that game fit together perfectly to give it an amazingly thick and eerie atmosphere. And theres just something about that low poly pixelated look that makes it even more creepy because things are vague and your brain ends up filling in the details. I actually played Quake 1 for the first time recently and it was surprising just how well it holds up compared to the later ones. I honestly believe if it came out today as a new "retro style" indie game it would still end up at the top of the charts. ( though with some deserved criticism over the crappy "boss fights" )
At the time Quake's brown-ness was okay with me. Before we had high-color rendering, it was important to build a color palette that focused on a narrow band of hues so you could spend your limited color space on varying brightness. Quake handled that really well. It was really the flood of brown shooters that landed about 10 years later that made me sick of MAXIMUM BROWN. (Even the original Borderlands suffered from this.) More importantly, Quake still had FAST gameplay, which is what really mattered to me. It wasn't until the Doom3 / Rage era that their games felt ponderous and bullet-spongy. So yeah, I'm cool with the early Quake titles.
@@ShamusYoung While I really enjoyed recently replaying Doom 3, one has to admit that, if you want to have a good time, you can't go in with expectations of it being an id software fast-paced FPS. It's a great game (even if a lot of people like to dump on it after the fact), but it's a methodical horror shooter - it fills a different niche for a different audienc. I was also lucky enough to play Doom 3 right after finishing the original Aliens versus Predator from 1999. Now THAT has you circle strafing faster than Usain Bolt, even as the marine, mowing down alien mobs in a second or faster, or kiting them in melee as the predator. Add to that the labirinthine level design befitting Quake or Doom... id fans should definitely try it if they haven't already.
@@roadent217 I agree. Doom 3 was a good game IMO. Also, I didn't go into it expecting a fast-paced shooter (since I hadn't really played the previous Doom games all that much) so I wasn't disappointed at all. It's a great horror-shooter, but if you went into it expecting "Doom 2 but with better graphics" I understand why many fans were disappointed.
The loot system reminds me of that twilight zone episode where the main character does nothing but win every bet and every card game he ever plays, everywhere you look theres a new legendary but it doesnt make the weapons special anymore, in bl2 you would freak out if you got a legendary now its just meh
Gk Kk they should have balanced it a bit more like bl1 where the legendaries are incredible and drop somewhat frequently, in bl3 its just legendaries everywhere and most of them are worthless, i do agree though bl2 drops were almost nonexistent and they had alot less legendaries in general
@@MegaBojangles99 I can actually agree there, alot of the shit I get now is just similar stats for the same guns. Which is wierd considering there are over 200 guns in the game
@Big Daddy They "collaborated" with id. In other words, Raven did the vast majority of the work and id "supervised", so Raven didn't do anything too stupid with their franchise.
A lot of people are saying the writing in BL3 is insanely cringeworthy, but I don't remember 2 exactly being the Planescape: Torment of first-person looter-shooters by any stretch of the imagination, so it's hard to say if there's actually an appreciable difference in writing quality and not just that the audience has grown out of it
It's entirely possible that the audience has grown out of it, but back then Handsome Jack was pretty well written as a villain. He felt right for that genre.
Actually, the writing and story is actually very, very poor, at least from what I heard. Many people like borderlands 2 for it’s writing, yes it is outdated and has problems, but it’s story was still cohesive and still made sense. However, the problem with borderlands 3 is that it ends up making a mockery of the previous chars, and it gets annoying to sit there and actually take it seriously, as you’d think it is some kind of joke, but it’s not. At least in 2, you can tell when it was a joke or not.
Wow! This is exactly what I always wanted to know from a BL3 review. Thank you. And although you criticise the lootsystem to have gotten worse, as you describe it, it sounds exactly like what I had hoped for it to be, because IMO the BL2 loot and levelcapacity of any gun were abysmal. In BL2 all gear was bad and not even praying to rng-sus would help make it any better. That sucked so much ass for me and my pal who loved the original, since 2 had altered the original formula the exact oposite direction as you say 3 did over 2. I've written an essay about why it is, that some prefer BL 1 over 2, but in short: We get our dopamine from different places. You get it from the challenge and effort you take on for a reward, and I get it from actually getting stuff and being able to mow down stuff casually. And I would guess that's the answer to why they made that change, because they listened to the fans of the original aswell and wanted their money too. Guess I'll have to check out 3 after all. Thumbs up for the video, but thumbs down for not sharing my opinion ;)
A feature i remembered from the first game was over the top and powerful weapons being in the hands of the bandits who would then drop them if you killed them.
I got the game about a week or two ago. You're right. But the colors are more rare in my experience. The only problem is... sometimes I can find a green that is one or two levels above or even below an orange and it STILL outperforms the orange.
Officially BL3 has no microtransactions, but GB hasn't said anything about those sites selling weapons/shields/artifacts. As a comedian said once: "that is suspcious"
I agree with the loot system being slightly off, I think there are too many enemies in the game that drop legendaries at decent rates. My biggest issue with BL3 though is undoubtably how absolutely god awful the UI design is. The menus don't provide enough information, scrolling through them is tedious and THEY'RE SO LAGGY, especially in multiplayer. My friends and I haven't finished our co-op playthrough because it takes so long to do inventory management that we've put it off until it gets patched. Idk if this is a PS4 issue only but I'm honestly appalled at how poorly optimized the menu is. The loot changes exacerbate this problem because you're going to spend more time comparing stats and switching guns in the BL3 loot system.
So this seems very similar to a lot of complaints I've heard from my friends on other games that I actually quite like. I don't think I'll be picking up Boarderlands 3 for a number of reasons, but it sound familiar. It sounds like they tried to make this loot system, at least in part, for the people for whom "spending time in menus comparing guns" and "futzing around trying out a bunch of trash weapons" IS playing the game. It will be interesting to see how other looty shooties respond to this change.
I really hope the devs listen to reviews such as these... They be valuable. For those of you who are climbers, it makes me think of modern gyms that sandbag the routes to make new climbers feel important. Then, in the real world, they go climb outside and realize the actual framework that real climbers are operating within.
I think with borderlands 3 they focused on manufacturers and their different styles. Thus the rarity is not that huge of a deal. But the make of the gun is the huge deal and what shows the good and not so good (depends on how you play your character). Like most moze players are using high mag weapons or those with splash damage. So they'll be looking for torgue and vladolf. While most Zane players will look for accuracy and getting that sweet crit spot, therefore Dahl and atlas weapons are useful for that case. Maliwan and hypyrion are like white weapons. They belong in the bin
If you enjoy sifting through 500 items on every session, with bad indications on whether they're good or not, then go ahead. I got bored of it real quick. Probably ended up selling most of my good gear because I couldn't be arsed to check through all the green end blue gear I looted.
Theres some good tips tho, for example a Atlas' Q system, a Vladof poshka, and other. You grind for the name morr than the rarety, bit it's ok for me at least. Finding a Q system with 300% dmg ASE has been one of my favorites moments of gringing... ever.
I have to agree with you on the loot. When I played for a little bit (had to stop, because my computer was having too many issues with the game), I had a shotgun that was white/common. I was doing 115 base damage with 136 fire damage (6% chance, but still decent damage). I was finding rare and epics that were 136 base damage (no elemental), but were 2+ bullets. In the early levels I found these "better" weapons draining my bullets faster with slightly(?) faster kills. I started looking at commons more, JUST because of the non-bullet drain. It was sad to see really, I was figuring like WoW equipment stats, greens being OBVIOUSLY better than commons, etc. Maybe they'll fix... maybe?
Andrew Fisher the Pre-Sequel? Yeah....GB pawned it off on GB Australia, which no longer exists. Its not a bad game, and the extra mechanics (Oz kits, low gravity) would have been cool if just a few areas had it, instead of almost the entire game. I didn’t find the story, the characters, or the poorly fleshed out villains to be that great, but just IMO. Did you play the Pre-Sequel first?
Anyone who says Presequel is bad is just wrong. But it was a step down from BL2, when it should have been a step up. Personally, I felt the loot was underwhelming. All of the laser weapons were disappointing, and the grinder didn’t help enough. Mostly, the writing was a let down. Prequels are always a bad idea because whatever backstory the writers come up with for the awesome, legendary, iconic villain is never as amazing as your head canon. And the gender politics were kind of bad. It rocketed past BL’s usual feminist vibe into female fetishism. Gender equality doesn’t mean all the guys are evil or stupid, and all the women are perfectly justified in whatever evil, trite, or insane things they do. Good game. Just not as good as the others.
@@PoorMuttski Imo the best one is BL2, then Pre-Sequel, then BL1. I haven't played BL3 because apparently they haven't fixed the issues with split screen, which is vital for me. I know many people love BL1 but when you go back and play through it after playing 2 and Pre-Sequel, it does feel old.
Kenneth Wallace I... where do people get the idea that the pre sequel has gender politics? I’ll never understand this take. Janey is gay, and there’s a side quest where Torque mentions misogyny, which exists. And respecting peoples boundaries and being politically correct is literally Torque’s character. That’s his entire gimmick - is that he’s this loud, super buff dude who loves explosions and carnage but is also super respectful of others’ feelings. Besides literally those two examples I couldn’t think of anything else that could be described as gender politics.
See what I remember from playing BL2 was that game was just this massive struggle to find a good enough weapon, and the game leaned in REALLY heavily on the "worsen reload time, make the gun require 2 ammo to fire 1 shot" way to balance guns. And then the vending machines didn't scale so if you leveled up twice suddenly you're less powerful than before to a degree where enemies are bullet sponges and the vending machines aren't leveling with you so you have to muddle through with what you have in order to find a usable gun. I beat the final boss of the game in BL2 and after I did I had to dump my legendaries, dump my entire arsenal and try and cobble together a garbage tier loadout from trash quality items because the vending machine in true vault hunter mode already had weapons that did massive amounts more damage than my current gear even though they were white quality. On top of that in BL2 every weapon was boring as HELL, you couldn't get anything interesting out of the system because it was locked down, it wasn't like a white would EVER be worth looking at. A hulk from torgue would generally ALWAYS have 13 shots and if it could have more it's generally only going to have like 2 more, it's going to have a reload speed that makes you cry and it's going to cost 3 ammo to shoot. In BL2 every weapon below purple quality was a slight stat change but their ROF, Reload Speed, and even their mag size was generally the same. It completely killed the gameplay of BL2 for me because nothing interesting could happen with guns below a certain rarity.
I noticed this as well. BL2 increased the number of variables equipment could have but in my opinion it just tended to mean that it was far more difficult to find upgrades to what you had and the player was regularly having to change to equipment they weren't necessarily familiar with unless they were willing to go several level between upgrades. BL2 was far more of a "play this game with friends" compared to the original.
I'm sure thousands of others are as relieved as I that Seamus's misgivings proved groundless. O Seamus, prophet of doom, how we grieved to hear your grim portent! And how we rejoice now!
There's such an easy fix for this: have a 'switch to random weapon in your inventory' button, then a button that marks whichever gun you're using as trash and another to mark is as a favourite. Trash weapons aren't switched to randomly again and are auto-sold at a trader when in town, and favourites are only switched to randomly again only after you've marked the rest of your guns as either trash or favourite. Less time fiddling in menus, much easier time seperating the wheat from the chaff.
Yeah, the favorite/trash marks currently there require going into inventory. In general I'd like an auto loot filter you can tailor to your character build (like pure damage max priority, elemental damage minimum, etc) where better guns are auto pickup and the rest you can fetch from the loot dispenser back in base. The current item value score means nothing and is a poor indication of the item's worth compared to your current weapon and build.
Yeah there definitely needs to be an adjustment. Almost ANY white is unusable/worthless after level 10 or 15. Every weapon needs to be kicked down a rarity, and then anything in the top two tiers of Moxsy's "legendary chart" need to be kept as genuine legendary items. Everything else could be left alone as a unique purple.
Have you noticed that moxsy's been showcasing a bunch of unique blues lately? Might be some emergent gameplay going on now that they seem to be done nerfing builds into obscurity for a bit.
I remember a similar issue of weapon power happening in Destiny. Got a machine gun with about an 18 round clip and hit like a handcannon; and kept going back to it because even the weapons that were 5 levels higher weren't as effective. Even checked the stats, it should've sucked, but it was more effective than most loot I got later. Eventually it gave way to expansion weapons, but the memory of it remains.
This dude trippin. He's probably using elemental weapons on resisted enemies and thats why he think legendaries are weak. Cuz I almost never use a purple. They way too weak for anything. Except anointed ones. Blue sometimes. But legendaries absolutely melt.
The loot system is right on the nose. What you also didn't mention is that loot in Borderlands 3 are about 4-5 times more common than in the previous games. So not only do you have to test out every single weapon because you can't rely on stats, there are not 5 times more of them to go through. It just felt like slug, and I probably ended up selling most of my good loot because I honestly just couldn't be arsed to sift through them all.
i think the weapon rarity and the “every gun is completely randomly generated” features are at war in borderlands 3. legendary guns have quite a few fixed parts that aren’t always as interesting as the random, more common parts on non-legendary guns. for example, blue and purple guns with alien barrels always have some wild effect that you just can’t get on a legendary gun. overall i think the loot is “weird” because of a feature that’s always been in the series working.... a little too well for some people who are more trained by the diablo-style color rarity system
unlike the other games, BL1's item rarities actually informed the quality of parts on the weapon. Even legendaries had a separate tier when they were paired with a good barrel or magazine. The reason for the fixed parts on legendaries is to reduce the grind in farming the "best" version of that legendary. This is especially helpful when certain parts or accessories can make-or-break the item.
The gear scaling thing was already inherited from BL2 which flattened the power scaling of rarer parts a lot and also added the godawful level scaling system. I've always thought BL2 as being balanced like a near launch P2W MMO, except you cannot P2W but at least the ridiculously overpowered builds and exploits don't tend to end up patched.
I haven't played Borderlands 3 yet but I'll have to disagree with you on the loot system. One of my main issues with Borderlands 2 and The Pre-Sequel was the low legendary drop rate. When playing the original Borderlands I was always excited to open a chest or check out a vending machine because it always felt like you had a chance at finding a legendary. In Borderlands 2 I never had the same excitement because you always seem to get the same pile of useless whites and greens.
HEAR HEAR!!! I completely agree about the loot. It is SO strange that this has happened. Don’t get me wrong, there were a few gimmicky orange/purple rarity weapons in BL2, but it seems like there are a LOT more in BL3. A pistol that shoots bouncing fireballs? There are way too many quest rewards, even side quest rewards that are legendary weapons. Once you get into Mayhem, you can set it on 3 or 4, and just go open chests.....and one can easily farm twenty legendary weapons in under an hour. Or just go into the slaughterdomes on Mayhem 3 or 4, and enemies drop legendaries left and right. They have now patched dedicated drops for certain weapons/items with specific bosses/mini-bosses which is fine. Still, it just feels off. I completely agree, that BL3 just makes me miss BL2. Other than sliding and climbing......I fail to see anything that is better about BL3. Maybe the music? I have had so many problems with the game crashing, the same soft locks at the same spots on the game, over and over again. This game is horrendously optimized on ALL systems. I went back and played BL2 on console, and 60fps feels so amazing. BL3 struggles to stay at 30fps if you’re doing anything other than standing still. The story......my god, where to even begin? BL2 was clever, whimsical, and never felt like it was trying to be funny, but still was at times. BL3 feels like they forced the comedic angle at times, and it usually falls flat. There are some times I LOL’d, but more times than not, I cringed. The message from the devs is clear. There is only one male playable character and he is by far the weakest. Every single male NPC is either a weakling or an idiot. Vaughn is a delusional idiot. Troy is referred to as a leech, being dominated by his sister. Hammerlock and Jakobs are gay.....why? They couldn’t have been best friends, or grew up together? Hammerlock is afraid of his sister. Rhys is an insecure weakling who for some reason is CEO of a weapons corporation. Katagawa Jr is also gay, and a psychopath who murders his whole family. The most obnoxious character in the game, Ava.....who gets fan favorite (my personal all time fave vault hunter, Maya) killed.....is suddenly a hero for doing absolutely nothing? I’m completely fine with the more inclusive angle. However, I don’t think its beneficial or healthy for the pendulum to swing back entirely the other direction. The story ends with Lilith, Tannis, and Ava pondering what to do. Whichever vault hunter you were....despite just saving the universe....are completely left out of the ending. That ending credits song was one of the most cringey moments in gaming history for me. And I LOVE Lilith.....she was my fave from BL1. There are just so many mis-steps here. I hope the DLC rescues the situation, but I doubt it. On top of that, Gearbox is in denial. The head writer on podcast, when confronted about universal hate for Ava....made the claim that only players who do Ava’s “side questS” will like the character. There is only ONE side quest, and its terrible, rehashing an area we just completed, while listening to her groan. Then he said Ava will be featured heavily in DLC. I hope she turns bad and is final boss so we can shoot her in the face.
Yeah. I feel all of this... I started as a Zane and got him to 50 right away... Then I quit playing him because his skills didn't work. He just sits there now while I play as Iron Bear, the other male vault hunter.
I've heard no one talk about the final boss battle. I beat tyreen in one try, on normal mode, without being even bear max level. I still had tons of side quests to do, and I beat her with ease. This was the greatest disappointment in the game. Plus, most of the legendaries are trash. I use 2 legendaries in my current loadout, a class mod, and a relic. All of the other legendaries I've found suck total ass.
I enjoyed it for 2 weeks great story lots of orange drops it was an explosion of dopamine . Then they patched it and I barely found any thx I just beat a boss on mayhem 2 and got one purple it’s not worth playing the story again for one purple They needed a better end game
I agree about loot system, orange weapons are nothing really special anymore. I have like 15 keys from shift codes and I don't even bother to open chest cause my safe is full of "raredrop". And it's only second run in TVH mode after finishing main story. I had Borderlands 3 on release so I remember that game had some issues with optimalizations. But after 2 or 3 patches I completely forgot about. Nowadays when most major developers fucks with gamers and rip them on every step I really wasn't that much concern when the game turn out to be an old school gaming jewel. It's just shooting game, that's it! I feel like I'm playing game from early 2000's and in a good way. No microtransations, no buyable skins, lootboxes or any of that nonsense
Wow you put into words what I was feeling so well. I actually enjoyed this game despite the weird story, but I just wanted to throw away every gun I found because I got sick of testing them all out. Also wish there was an auto junk button so I could shift through my loot faster. I would be really interested to see if a mod comes out on PC to fix this, I would definitely try the game again if so
i get what you mean but i still think theres quite s considersble amount of blue rarity uniques in BL2 that were better than either most or all the legendaries
Personally, loot system is fine with me, Borderlands 2 loot drop rates were abysmal and, most aggravatingly, pointlessly bad. And from the Legendaries I did get in my own BL3 playthrough, (I'll admit, I think I got way more than the game should be giving out.) I would not say they all felt the same or meh. Although on another point, I agree that Jakobs revolvers were way, way too powerful for the most part. In almost every situation and rarity.
P.S, the story is absolute dogshit and I will likely never play the game again due to it. Sad, since the mechanics of the game are stellar. The story just ruins it that badly for me.
As someone who's spent less than 10 hours with the game I'm enjoying the loot system, my problem with previous borderlands games was that my friend would farm for hours and then have gear that way outclassed mine making me a spectator to pretty much every fight. However in this game I use the compare feature so often that it feels like it should be included rather than the old games where it was just kind of neat. The system does get annoying though when I have 2 guns with similar stats but one has say...better accuracy while the other has a bigger magazine so I test both but I can see the flaws in it. I'll probably update this comment after some more time spent with the game.
I haven't tried BL3 (or Presequel) as I felt I was having too much difficulty with the loot system in 2 that I stopped playing halfway through New Game+ with my main and then halfway through the regular game with a second character. The problems you mention in 3 with the loot system I noticed in 2. I'd go levels between finding upgrades of what I had. Heck I remember being happy when I hit level 35 as it meant I could buy level 35 loot from the DLC vending machines, which was all better than the level 29-32 equipment I'd found (a blue level 29 pistol with 3000% damage on it was still my best weapon even when I stopped around level 45). I had other issues with BL2, mostly that it felt far grindier than the first BL and I really was tired of fighting Hyperion long before beating the game.
I stopped playing when they started to treat it as a live service game with the updates. They nerfed everything! Not to mention a lot of skills not even working. It was a meh game. This is coming from a huge fan of the first two.
jimmy climer your lucky you got to experience how strong he was. I started with Zane. A lot of his skills don’t even work. Got to lvl like 30 with him then switched to Fl4k.
Yeah I had to stop after playing the story..... I fucking hate the story in this game. I'm not gonna play a game where I need to do the story multiple times, if the story is poopoo 💩
Those live service updates you hate have mostly fixed balance issues and broken skills, along with a bunch of other stuff. The second game got balanced to nerf op builds too.
100% agree about the loot system. I waited for the Steam release, so I'm just getting around to playing B3, and the "loot glut" has kinda ruined the game for me. It feels like work figuring out which of 12 million weapons dropped is the good one.
They gotta do the opposite of what they did in 2015 to bl2 and pre sequel with loot chances being increased at that time for legendary specific loot drop chances. They have to nerf it which is harder to do. Fuck the number system. There's no excuse for them to not understand their own loot.
Weapons in this game seemed off, like the shooting itself was not really enjoyable for some reason. Also, most of the weapons were unusable ( they felt like they did not have a kick to them at all...) and i most often used only one or two types with larger numbers... Also, i prefer to play as a Siren and the main reason is the elemental weapons can be really powerful once you get the skills up. This one did not give me that feeling...
Worst things: 1) terrible performance hiccups even with good hardware, new drivers, many many setting changes and hints on the internet for all those who had the problem. I don't if they fixed it by now, I have long time since I played this game. 2) something is not appealing to me with the story or the main bad guys. Don't know what. There are some nice moments later with the story of the Jacobs corpororation, meeting the first vault hunter, maybe some alien lore. Other wise the gameplay is similarly good, I do like the slide and climbing, someone did something really good with the sound design (I don't know why the gun sounds are so great and diverse, I will sometimes play with an average weapon just because of how it sounds), didn't notice the problem you did with loot imbalance. More nostalgic for BL2 and even BL1, after few sequels every game feels the same, like they milk what's left of it (and thankfully BL3 wasn't that bad, but it's something we've seen so far and couldn't in my opinion beat the epicness of BL2)
I realise this is an old video, but i thought i would point out that i think gearbox's goal was to hit a middle ground between the loot systems of borderlands 1 and 2
Too bad Gearbox completely missed the mark. All what Gearbox needed to do was fix BL2's broken loot system and just add some polish to BL2's UI then it would of been perfect, or close to perfection.
believe it or not, borderlands started development as one of those brown bland games from that era. It got pretty far along in development before it was changed to a cell shaded colorful bonanza.
it's funny you mentioned the loot power score system copying Destiny.... as most Destiny players will tell you the score rating system and stats on the weapons can't always be trusted, there is more going on under the hood the player isn't allowed to see.... so the method of trying out every weapon and perk is the only way to know for sure... I mean that from a Destiny Player viewpoint
The combat made me hard but the story made me soft lol I still think Borderlands 1 had the best loot system and the minimalist story helped it imo, but man did they refine that combat to a T in BL3
I don't know, I beat Borderlands 3's main campaign ... and it felt allot shorter then Borderland 2's campaign, or The Pre-Sequel's for that matter. Which disappointed me. The thing I hate in Borderlands 2, going back to it, is that EVERY weapon has a insane SWAY ... as soon as you look through the scope the character has a SWAY like a cows tail. It is totally unfun to shoot stuff like that, Borderlands 2 doesn't have that ... but it has other problems.
when too much loot is a problem lol, they drop a shitload because unlike other games, they have so much of it that they dont need to portion it out, just go ham, cant really say thats broken, just means you get more awesome gear more often
Nobody has mentioned this, but gather enough eridium and if you dont care about legendaries, have fun making guns spawn everywhere with the gun that shoots guns
Green and white are both trash that are really just there so you have a starting weapon and to sell in the early game for money. Your scale is a bit off and I'd knock about half that green bar off. Blue, Purple, and Orange is spot on though. I have yet to find a green weapon that can compete with any of the top three tiers unless it was several levels higher. The issue with the "score" is that it factors in so much that isn't useful. Higher scores usually mean more modifiers, in addition to pretty much factoring in every stat into one score. The issue is that it includes a lot of useless noise. Some guns only have buffs that are only useful for specific characters with specific builds, or include useless stats that don't really impact the performance of a weapon with a particular character's buffs. A high score has nothing to do with DPS, though that does seem to be factored in, it's the total amount of everything that it does. Even if much if it is completely useless and has no relevant impact on your character and/or build.
You're certainly not wrong, but I disagree that it's a problem. Maybe it's just the burnout from the Destiny 2 grind but I've really appreciated the increase in Legendary loot and playing guns I enjoy rather than constantly chasing something better. To each their own.
8:30 and this is why im tired of bungie fanboys excusing bungies idea to give legendaries a shelf life on the power cap because "other mmos retire loot". A weapon cant be determined in a looter shooter by a power gear score as they function differently than stat sticks.
It's worse than that. It makes me hungry for the older borderlands game, but also makes me bored of their gameplay. I miss the cool loot, and interesting story. This game is all gameplay and end game content. I honestly don't recommend playing the story if you can go straight to the dungeon delves with friends.
I still haven't completed the game but I have difficulties finding the same problems you find with the game, except for the scoring system not being reliable. 1) Drops were increased, yes, BUT drop rates in B2 and BTpS could be very stingy in solo play UNLESS you activated the "offline" option in the main menu (network settings) and did only the quests that were on your level to improve the drop rates of high quality items. That way you could have good gear that was on your level. If anything the biggest problem with the weapon levels in B2, was how massive the gap in stats between 2 of the same type of weapons was, even if they had only 1 level of difference between the two. 2) Complaining about having to tests weapons to see if they work with your play-style (being that it is a good piece of for build) it's like you were complaining of needing to play the game in order to beat. Testing gear to see if it fits the build you are making is kind of the main thing you do in a game that relies on randomly generated loot. 3) I must disagree with your take in the story. Anthony Burch filled the dialogues with an excessive amount of jokes placed at inappropriate moments that made them feel forced half the time. The whole dystopian future setting sort of justified how ridiculous can many things be, but the many inconsistencies in tone had you tracking a guy for Marcus just because he gave him 9 $ extra bucks, right after the death of a main character ( which was also a very stupid cutscenes similar to the one you criticized in your spiderman video). The world building was still there, but it was buried under a mountain of the previously mentioned jokes and dialogues. In BF3 case, the world building seem to have been more properly integrated into the main plot and the side quests, and the fact that your enemies have tons of young people (possibly Pandora's millennials) led by a pair of sociopathic millennials more or less influenced by guys like Handsome Jack and the previous generation of vault hunters, which leads me to my next point (albeit more aimed at the general public rather than you) 5) Vault hunters are immoral killing machines that are used by corporations and powerful people to influence people, groups, areas or even planets. They can look heroic at times, but most times, they are murdering absurd amounts of people just because they are getting paid for it, or simply to steal better pieces of gear. Almost all of their engagements are morally muddy at best (given that those soldiers and workers you are killing were simply doing their job.
To be fair, Borderlands 2 was so stingy with decent loot it wasn't even funny. Crawmerax set the standart in "lootsplosions" for my brother and me, so when Terramorphus didn't even drop enough to buy back the ammo used to kill him, we were more than just a little disappointed.
personally, the 'traditional' Diablo style loot + levels actually frustrates me far more than it entertains me. there's cool stuff and i can try mixing this and that to do wacky things except.... none of that will matter for the first like 50,60,100,200 hours of play. so to me it means i have potentially 100+ hrs of CHORES to do by filling some lame uninteresting XP bar before i can finally get to the fun part of the game. so i then finally reach the 'level cap', and now i can start trying wacky gear because it'll actually matter whether i try something wacky now, largely because it won't suddenly become irrelevant 5hrs from now. that doesn't mean that i can't enjoy narrative at the start though, and then in these games the narrative is what carries the game for me for the first __ hours. so in short, for these types of games, to me frankly the loot aspect is one of the most boring things imaginable right up until i hit that 'level cap' and then that part can become fun and i'm excited to try weird things. i guess i'm kinda just saying that i hate XP bars and i definitely do. in 99% of games, XP bars feel like a way overused, tired old holdover from the 90's that most games use as a time filler to make it take longer for you to play the game. so few games make XP bars feel interesting and natural, the rest use them as chores.
No. you werent wrong at all. and its far worse than you ever thought it would be. Couldnt disagree harder with every single point before you get to the loot section
Your comments on weapon rarity being useless as an indicator of quality are really surprising to me. I played hundreds of hours of the other games, and that was always my understanding of the system- this sucks, but it doesn't seem new.
even in BL2 rarity has only little to do with how good a gun is. Sure, higher rarity guns gain a small damage and magazine size boost, but nothing out of the ordinary. The part system in BL2 pushes even white guns with good barrels, stocks, or grips above blue or purple guns with bad parts. BL2's item rarity in fact is a randomly generated part and has nothing to do with the rest of the gun (Although some parts will only appear on green or higher rarity guns). Contrasted with BL1, the part combination as a whole gives a gun its rarity. Purple guns flat-out have better parts than blue ones. There are even two tiers of legendaries: ones with bad parts (light orange) and ones with good parts (dark orange).
Honestly Anthony Burch gone is a plus for me, I hated his/her/it's/their writing, ReSPeCtT WAMen, and everybody being bisexual, gay and shit I couldn't roll my eyes more into my skull 🙄
Not quite true, you do need to field test every *type* of gun, but once you do any weapon with the same base name handles the same way in regards to things like projectile speed and other unlisted statistics. And we've had to test unique weapon effects to see if they fit with our build since Borderlands 1
this is whole genre-level wrong not applicable in so many games solid 1 magic tier is often much stronger than last tier drop of wrong stats often highest tier is the amount of stats, not their power and swordsman doesn't need +10 magic + 10 pets + 10 cooking + 20 hopusecleaning on their sword. it's legendary but it's useless
Unfortunately this made my 2019 most dissapointing game. It had so much potential but imo suffered from an even more aggrivating industry trend these days: playing it safe. Everything is easier to do D:
I don't know why this game even exists. It adds nothings substantial and is just a rehash of the former games. I got bored extremely quickly and in hindsight it would have sufficed to play one of the older games again to scratch the itch.
New Vault Hunters with multiple action skills and bigger skill trees, leaving a lot of room to play around with builds. Zane can have 2 skills at once, Amara can play a variety of roles based purely on action skill, Moze has 6 different action skill weapons to choose from, Flakk has 3 different pets. The core gunplay is much smoother than prior games, default movement speed is increased and driving actually feels somewhat good instead of like a poorly handling chore. Being able to fast travel at any time without needing to use a station makes getting around much less tedious than prior games. Overall movement is dramatically improved. Cooperation setting allowing instanced loot is a great idea, as is making it optional. BL3 has problems but so does any game. Most people consider the removal of slag to be a huge improvement over 2, without the floaty nature of the pre sequel being a further point in 3's favor. 2 had years worth of extra content to make it the game people love. 3 hasn't had the time for that to be added yet. They could just keep adding content to 2 but making a new game allows a fresh start for the new content to be its own without riding the coattails of 2 or conflicting with it in terms of adding new mechanics.
This may be the case but I just have no interest in playing another character or a single character to a high level because the core experience is exactly the same as in the previous games. It just feels tedious at some point. Would have been nice to add a new game mechanic or two. The world feels more like a hose too, for my taste it should be more open and interesting. I don't play coop though. While playing with friends everything is more fun. But none of my friends plays this game and I don't want to play with strangers.
@@xarachne8473 maybe, maybe not, who knows. They should just add something that makes it an experience different enough from the previous games, so that it feels more unique in the series. It also could be something that replaces something else. Or a unique way to make the player character stronger/more interesting. The first game had weapon types that got better the more often they got used. The second game got rid of that and introduced achievements instead that additionally let you improve your character. That at least was something different.
I am loving this game more than you are, but this was still a well informed and articulated point and I enjoyed the video! Also, to shill my own stuff here, my latest video on my own channel seems to be something in your wheelhouse, if you and/or your fans wanted to share it somewhere:
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Great video. I actually have a related topic coming up in a couple of episodes, so your video hit at just the right time for me.
@@ShamusYoung awesome to hear and thanks for the pin! It means a lot to hear you say that, your mass effect series literally got me through two years of mind numbing retail as I read it in between customers. Keep up the great work and thanks again!
Hate the story....the jokes dont land as it used to. And I think that's what got some people into the looter shooter genre.
Really good video! Glad I found it
@@Bluestarr Thank you!
Borderlands 3 issues.
Writing
Characters
Writing
Characters
Writing
And the loot a lil bit...
@@joeykeilholz925 Yeah. I am so lost on how the Legendary system works now. I just know I have an amazing assualt rifle that shoots bullets out in a helix pattern that is my primary weapon. Pretty much my only weapon since I use Iron Bear a ton.
I feel like the problem with BL3's Writing can be summed up with the idea that almost any line spoken by Traumatized Scientist with crippling Social Anxiety Dr. Patricia Tannis is completely interchangeable with almost any line spoken by Spastic Clingy always-seeking-approval Obnoxious Claptrap.
These characters (among many others) should be almost diametrically opposed in the way they approach any given scenario but the writing is such that effectively every character is the same.
They are all "crazy random weirdos" who spout "wacky off-the-wall dialogue"
It's the best borderlands game on a mechanical level, but I had to keep voice vol at 0%
I disagree mainly for pointless features like sliding and butt slamming (I don't care what 3 calls it, because it's a shitty version of the butt slam from pre sequel) and mayhem 4 inconsistency depending on your build and the stats for that map you can either have a map filled with near impossible enemies or have a map easier than mayhem 2&3
Pointless features doesn't detract from the fact that every other aspect of mechanical gameplay has been improved from gunplay to visuals (ledge grabbing was also very welcomed). As far as mayhem 4 being affected by builds, could you clarify? Is it the game populating the levels with weak enemies, or is it just game busting builds? I wouldn't know since I've only made it to mayhem 2 before I got bored with Moze and BL3 and re-booted New vegas
@@pooperscooperltm6312 ok so you know anointed from non mayhem bl3 imagine them with 10x the health 10x the damage and if your using the wrong element your damage will be in single digits now imagine that was EVERY ENEMY IN THE GAME even the "grunt" enemies that's mayhem 4
Despite that if your build is proper you can be a near god until a badass shows up
Let's say you were playing mayhem 4 and the perks are +25% crit damage but -30% elemental damage along with the permant 1000% enemy health shield and armor, Moze Amara Flynt are dead the moment they open fire cause they dont have builds that properly maximize crit damage Fl4k on the other hand can do so regardless of how poorly his end game build is
Many time I've had game where 3 teammates went down and i was the only one standing cause I was the only one that could stand and actually fight
@@almalone3282 Gotcha 👌. That does sound really shit tier. If they ever release a difficulty overhaul or an interesting dlc character, I might jump back. Till then, bl2 is still my favorite
If only randy apologized and we got the claptrap we've had since 2009
Legendaries are common.
The actual legendaries that would greatly benefit my build are so rare I've never found them.
Also, finding legedaries before reaching level cap felt so pointless because there was no reason to keep them for long.
Finds a lvl 49 Dastardly Maggie:
"Fuck"
Point of high world drops is let you try max of legendaries before endgame, to know what farm for
Ah!! I thought it was just me who was getting tons of Legendaries in BL3. It has gotten to the point multiple times where I would get randomized Legendaries like crazy. Whereas in BL2 getting a Legendary was one of those experiences where you would fight to the death to nab before they would seemingly always fall through the ground or fly off the map's edge somehow, or otherwise mysteriously vanish. In Borderlands 3 many of the Legendaries I would get would not mesh well or at all with my Zane build. Though it would be nice to test out different Legendaries to see their various effects. In Borderlands 1, Pre-Sequel, and 2, I had to rely on SupMatto and some other UA-camrs to learn about such Legendaries due to them spawning so rarely. Because Legendaries are so commonplace compared to the previous games in BL3 they no longer have remotely the same "I GOTTA HAVE THAT LEGENDARY NOW!!!" mentality or feel. It is just "Oh. Wow. Another Legendary. Cool.". At least to me anyways.
@@adamgray1753 Wow xD
I don't even think I got more than 3 legendraries in any of the earlier games. Legendaries were so rare I never thought about them very much. It's only because I got so many legendaries in BL3 that I decided to look up which legendaries would suit my build. Now it's no fun to get legendaries because it's never anything that actually helps me. xD
kinda the same problem in bl2
I loved the original Quake's gothic brown aesthetic.
Fight me.
Yep. I think the sound and visuals of that game fit together perfectly to give it an amazingly thick and eerie atmosphere.
And theres just something about that low poly pixelated look that makes it even more creepy because things are vague and your brain ends up filling in the details.
I actually played Quake 1 for the first time recently and it was surprising just how well it holds up compared to the later ones.
I honestly believe if it came out today as a new "retro style" indie game it would still end up at the top of the charts. ( though with some deserved criticism over the crappy "boss fights" )
At the time Quake's brown-ness was okay with me. Before we had high-color rendering, it was important to build a color palette that focused on a narrow band of hues so you could spend your limited color space on varying brightness. Quake handled that really well. It was really the flood of brown shooters that landed about 10 years later that made me sick of MAXIMUM BROWN. (Even the original Borderlands suffered from this.)
More importantly, Quake still had FAST gameplay, which is what really mattered to me. It wasn't until the Doom3 / Rage era that their games felt ponderous and bullet-spongy.
So yeah, I'm cool with the early Quake titles.
@@ShamusYoung
While I really enjoyed recently replaying Doom 3, one has to admit that, if you want to have a good time, you can't go in with expectations of it being an id software fast-paced FPS. It's a great game (even if a lot of people like to dump on it after the fact), but it's a methodical horror shooter - it fills a different niche for a different audienc.
I was also lucky enough to play Doom 3 right after finishing the original Aliens versus Predator from 1999. Now THAT has you circle strafing faster than Usain Bolt, even as the marine, mowing down alien mobs in a second or faster, or kiting them in melee as the predator. Add to that the labirinthine level design befitting Quake or Doom... id fans should definitely try it if they haven't already.
@@roadent217 I agree. Doom 3 was a good game IMO. Also, I didn't go into it expecting a fast-paced shooter (since I hadn't really played the previous Doom games all that much) so I wasn't disappointed at all. It's a great horror-shooter, but if you went into it expecting "Doom 2 but with better graphics" I understand why many fans were disappointed.
Agreed. I like a variety of settings in different games. Every style has its place when implemented well.
I swear I played this game and can't remember cracking one smile. I remember my body twisting from the cringeworthy commentary and jokes tho....
Truth! BL2 gave me genuine moments of laughter. This one makes you feel like an adult dealing with bratty kids. OH SHIT! Was that true whole point?!?
That line about BL3 being a slot machine that rings the winner bell even when you don't get anything was spot on..
The loot system reminds me of that twilight zone episode where the main character does nothing but win every bet and every card game he ever plays, everywhere you look theres a new legendary but it doesnt make the weapons special anymore, in bl2 you would freak out if you got a legendary now its just meh
Tbh i prefer this over the nothing drop rates of defualt bl2( it improved over time). The main issue with bl3 now is the dedicated drops
Gk Kk they should have balanced it a bit more like bl1 where the legendaries are incredible and drop somewhat frequently, in bl3 its just legendaries everywhere and most of them are worthless, i do agree though bl2 drops were almost nonexistent and they had alot less legendaries in general
@@MegaBojangles99 I can actually agree there, alot of the shit I get now is just similar stats for the same guns. Which is wierd considering there are over 200 guns in the game
I'm so glad to see you doing regular videos on youtube. Keep it up Shamus.
Characters weren't as vibrant in the PreSequel? Aurelia, Nisha, Janey Springs and Timothy were fantastic! And they toooottaly messed up Aurelia in 3
1:48 Quake IV was made by Raven, you know.
@Big Daddy They "collaborated" with id. In other words, Raven did the vast majority of the work and id "supervised", so Raven didn't do anything too stupid with their franchise.
A lot of people are saying the writing in BL3 is insanely cringeworthy, but I don't remember 2 exactly being the Planescape: Torment of first-person looter-shooters by any stretch of the imagination, so it's hard to say if there's actually an appreciable difference in writing quality and not just that the audience has grown out of it
It's entirely possible that the audience has grown out of it, but back then Handsome Jack was pretty well written as a villain. He felt right for that genre.
Actually, the writing and story is actually very, very poor, at least from what I heard. Many people like borderlands 2 for it’s writing, yes it is outdated and has problems, but it’s story was still cohesive and still made sense. However, the problem with borderlands 3 is that it ends up making a mockery of the previous chars, and it gets annoying to sit there and actually take it seriously, as you’d think it is some kind of joke, but it’s not. At least in 2, you can tell when it was a joke or not.
It could be the greatest game with 1k+ hr main story game, still on Epic.
Wow! This is exactly what I always wanted to know from a BL3 review. Thank you.
And although you criticise the lootsystem to have gotten worse, as you describe it, it sounds exactly like what I had hoped for it to be, because IMO the BL2 loot and levelcapacity of any gun were abysmal. In BL2 all gear was bad and not even praying to rng-sus would help make it any better. That sucked so much ass for me and my pal who loved the original, since 2 had altered the original formula the exact oposite direction as you say 3 did over 2.
I've written an essay about why it is, that some prefer BL 1 over 2, but in short: We get our dopamine from different places. You get it from the challenge and effort you take on for a reward, and I get it from actually getting stuff and being able to mow down stuff casually. And I would guess that's the answer to why they made that change, because they listened to the fans of the original aswell and wanted their money too. Guess I'll have to check out 3 after all.
Thumbs up for the video, but thumbs down for not sharing my opinion ;)
A feature i remembered from the first game was over the top and powerful weapons being in the hands of the bandits who would then drop them if you killed them.
Using a torque shotgun without using the sticky mode.
I didn't hear the first 30 seconds.
I got the game about a week or two ago. You're right. But the colors are more rare in my experience. The only problem is... sometimes I can find a green that is one or two levels above or even below an orange and it STILL outperforms the orange.
Officially BL3 has no microtransactions, but GB hasn't said anything about those sites selling weapons/shields/artifacts. As a comedian said once: "that is suspcious"
I agree with the loot system being slightly off, I think there are too many enemies in the game that drop legendaries at decent rates.
My biggest issue with BL3 though is undoubtably how absolutely god awful the UI design is.
The menus don't provide enough information, scrolling through them is tedious and THEY'RE SO LAGGY, especially in multiplayer. My friends and I haven't finished our co-op playthrough because it takes so long to do inventory management that we've put it off until it gets patched. Idk if this is a PS4 issue only but I'm honestly appalled at how poorly optimized the menu is. The loot changes exacerbate this problem because you're going to spend more time comparing stats and switching guns in the BL3 loot system.
So this seems very similar to a lot of complaints I've heard from my friends on other games that I actually quite like. I don't think I'll be picking up Boarderlands 3 for a number of reasons, but it sound familiar. It sounds like they tried to make this loot system, at least in part, for the people for whom "spending time in menus comparing guns" and "futzing around trying out a bunch of trash weapons" IS playing the game. It will be interesting to see how other looty shooties respond to this change.
I really hope the devs listen to reviews such as these... They be valuable.
For those of you who are climbers, it makes me think of modern gyms that sandbag the routes to make new climbers feel important. Then, in the real world, they go climb outside and realize the actual framework that real climbers are operating within.
I think with borderlands 3 they focused on manufacturers and their different styles. Thus the rarity is not that huge of a deal. But the make of the gun is the huge deal and what shows the good and not so good (depends on how you play your character). Like most moze players are using high mag weapons or those with splash damage. So they'll be looking for torgue and vladolf. While most Zane players will look for accuracy and getting that sweet crit spot, therefore Dahl and atlas weapons are useful for that case. Maliwan and hypyrion are like white weapons. They belong in the bin
You sold me on this game. The loot system sounds amazing. Reminds me of BL1 and that's what I've been hoping for.
If you enjoy sifting through 500 items on every session, with bad indications on whether they're good or not, then go ahead. I got bored of it real quick. Probably ended up selling most of my good gear because I couldn't be arsed to check through all the green end blue gear I looted.
Theres some good tips tho, for example a Atlas' Q system, a Vladof poshka, and other. You grind for the name morr than the rarety, bit it's ok for me at least.
Finding a Q system with 300% dmg ASE has been one of my favorites moments of gringing... ever.
yeah i just remembered using the same purple shotgun for the whole game lol
I'd really want to read Jason Schreier's take on what Gearbox did for 7 long years.
I have to agree with you on the loot. When I played for a little bit (had to stop, because my computer was having too many issues with the game), I had a shotgun that was white/common. I was doing 115 base damage with 136 fire damage (6% chance, but still decent damage). I was finding rare and epics that were 136 base damage (no elemental), but were 2+ bullets. In the early levels I found these "better" weapons draining my bullets faster with slightly(?) faster kills. I started looking at commons more, JUST because of the non-bullet drain. It was sad to see really, I was figuring like WoW equipment stats, greens being OBVIOUSLY better than commons, etc. Maybe they'll fix... maybe?
I dont get it. What with the hate on the pre sequel. I really think it has the best writing out of the whole franchise.
Andrew Fisher the Pre-Sequel? Yeah....GB pawned it off on GB Australia, which no longer exists. Its not a bad game, and the extra mechanics (Oz kits, low gravity) would have been cool if just a few areas had it, instead of almost the entire game. I didn’t find the story, the characters, or the poorly fleshed out villains to be that great, but just IMO.
Did you play the Pre-Sequel first?
I really enjoyed the Pre-Sequel after getting used to the Oxygen thing. Fun writing, fun quests.
Anyone who says Presequel is bad is just wrong. But it was a step down from BL2, when it should have been a step up. Personally, I felt the loot was underwhelming. All of the laser weapons were disappointing, and the grinder didn’t help enough. Mostly, the writing was a let down. Prequels are always a bad idea because whatever backstory the writers come up with for the awesome, legendary, iconic villain is never as amazing as your head canon. And the gender politics were kind of bad. It rocketed past BL’s usual feminist vibe into female fetishism. Gender equality doesn’t mean all the guys are evil or stupid, and all the women are perfectly justified in whatever evil, trite, or insane things they do.
Good game. Just not as good as the others.
@@PoorMuttski Imo the best one is BL2, then Pre-Sequel, then BL1. I haven't played BL3 because apparently they haven't fixed the issues with split screen, which is vital for me.
I know many people love BL1 but when you go back and play through it after playing 2 and Pre-Sequel, it does feel old.
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I... where do people get the idea that the pre sequel has gender politics? I’ll never understand this take. Janey is gay, and there’s a side quest where Torque mentions misogyny, which exists. And respecting peoples boundaries and being politically correct is literally Torque’s character. That’s his entire gimmick - is that he’s this loud, super buff dude who loves explosions and carnage but is also super respectful of others’ feelings.
Besides literally those two examples I couldn’t think of anything else that could be described as gender politics.
See what I remember from playing BL2 was that game was just this massive struggle to find a good enough weapon, and the game leaned in REALLY heavily on the "worsen reload time, make the gun require 2 ammo to fire 1 shot" way to balance guns. And then the vending machines didn't scale so if you leveled up twice suddenly you're less powerful than before to a degree where enemies are bullet sponges and the vending machines aren't leveling with you so you have to muddle through with what you have in order to find a usable gun. I beat the final boss of the game in BL2 and after I did I had to dump my legendaries, dump my entire arsenal and try and cobble together a garbage tier loadout from trash quality items because the vending machine in true vault hunter mode already had weapons that did massive amounts more damage than my current gear even though they were white quality.
On top of that in BL2 every weapon was boring as HELL, you couldn't get anything interesting out of the system because it was locked down, it wasn't like a white would EVER be worth looking at. A hulk from torgue would generally ALWAYS have 13 shots and if it could have more it's generally only going to have like 2 more, it's going to have a reload speed that makes you cry and it's going to cost 3 ammo to shoot. In BL2 every weapon below purple quality was a slight stat change but their ROF, Reload Speed, and even their mag size was generally the same. It completely killed the gameplay of BL2 for me because nothing interesting could happen with guns below a certain rarity.
I noticed this as well. BL2 increased the number of variables equipment could have but in my opinion it just tended to mean that it was far more difficult to find upgrades to what you had and the player was regularly having to change to equipment they weren't necessarily familiar with unless they were willing to go several level between upgrades. BL2 was far more of a "play this game with friends" compared to the original.
I'm sure thousands of others are as relieved as I that Seamus's misgivings proved groundless. O Seamus, prophet of doom, how we grieved to hear your grim portent! And how we rejoice now!
There's such an easy fix for this: have a 'switch to random weapon in your inventory' button, then a button that marks whichever gun you're using as trash and another to mark is as a favourite. Trash weapons aren't switched to randomly again and are auto-sold at a trader when in town, and favourites are only switched to randomly again only after you've marked the rest of your guns as either trash or favourite. Less time fiddling in menus, much easier time seperating the wheat from the chaff.
Yeah, the favorite/trash marks currently there require going into inventory. In general I'd like an auto loot filter you can tailor to your character build (like pure damage max priority, elemental damage minimum, etc) where better guns are auto pickup and the rest you can fetch from the loot dispenser back in base. The current item value score means nothing and is a poor indication of the item's worth compared to your current weapon and build.
Lol, "Anthony Burch is gone." And here's me singing "It could be worse, at least you're not Anthony Burch!"
Yeah there definitely needs to be an adjustment. Almost ANY white is unusable/worthless after level 10 or 15. Every weapon needs to be kicked down a rarity, and then anything in the top two tiers of Moxsy's "legendary chart" need to be kept as genuine legendary items. Everything else could be left alone as a unique purple.
Have you noticed that moxsy's been showcasing a bunch of unique blues lately? Might be some emergent gameplay going on now that they seem to be done nerfing builds into obscurity for a bit.
I remember a similar issue of weapon power happening in Destiny. Got a machine gun with about an 18 round clip and hit like a handcannon; and kept going back to it because even the weapons that were 5 levels higher weren't as effective. Even checked the stats, it should've sucked, but it was more effective than most loot I got later. Eventually it gave way to expansion weapons, but the memory of it remains.
Just wait for DLC 1 when they add perlescents and some other rarity that have like a 1 in 1000 drop chance
This dude trippin. He's probably using elemental weapons on resisted enemies and thats why he think legendaries are weak. Cuz I almost never use a purple. They way too weak for anything. Except anointed ones. Blue sometimes. But legendaries absolutely melt.
no DLC's no new heroes, Randy of Gearbox said it couple times
imagine thinking this game wouldnt have DLCs
The loot system is right on the nose. What you also didn't mention is that loot in Borderlands 3 are about 4-5 times more common than in the previous games. So not only do you have to test out every single weapon because you can't rely on stats, there are not 5 times more of them to go through. It just felt like slug, and I probably ended up selling most of my good loot because I honestly just couldn't be arsed to sift through them all.
i think the weapon rarity and the “every gun is completely randomly generated” features are at war in borderlands 3. legendary guns have quite a few fixed parts that aren’t always as interesting as the random, more common parts on non-legendary guns. for example, blue and purple guns with alien barrels always have some wild effect that you just can’t get on a legendary gun.
overall i think the loot is “weird” because of a feature that’s always been in the series working.... a little too well for some people who are more trained by the diablo-style color rarity system
unlike the other games, BL1's item rarities actually informed the quality of parts on the weapon. Even legendaries had a separate tier when they were paired with a good barrel or magazine.
The reason for the fixed parts on legendaries is to reduce the grind in farming the "best" version of that legendary. This is especially helpful when certain parts or accessories can make-or-break the item.
The gear scaling thing was already inherited from BL2 which flattened the power scaling of rarer parts a lot and also added the godawful level scaling system.
I've always thought BL2 as being balanced like a near launch P2W MMO, except you cannot P2W but at least the ridiculously overpowered builds and exploits don't tend to end up patched.
That mid-way outro got me good. I was about to look for another video.
I haven't played Borderlands 3 yet but I'll have to disagree with you on the loot system. One of my main issues with Borderlands 2 and The Pre-Sequel was the low legendary drop rate. When playing the original Borderlands I was always excited to open a chest or check out a vending machine because it always felt like you had a chance at finding a legendary. In Borderlands 2 I never had the same excitement because you always seem to get the same pile of useless whites and greens.
I'll have to disagree with you on the loot system.
Borderlands 2 had a fantastic loot system where legendaries were really special
HEAR HEAR!!! I completely agree about the loot. It is SO strange that this has happened. Don’t get me wrong, there were a few gimmicky orange/purple rarity weapons in BL2, but it seems like there are a LOT more in BL3. A pistol that shoots bouncing fireballs? There are way too many quest rewards, even side quest rewards that are legendary weapons. Once you get into Mayhem, you can set it on 3 or 4, and just go open chests.....and one can easily farm twenty legendary weapons in under an hour. Or just go into the slaughterdomes on Mayhem 3 or 4, and enemies drop legendaries left and right. They have now patched dedicated drops for certain weapons/items with specific bosses/mini-bosses which is fine. Still, it just feels off.
I completely agree, that BL3 just makes me miss BL2. Other than sliding and climbing......I fail to see anything that is better about BL3. Maybe the music?
I have had so many problems with the game crashing, the same soft locks at the same spots on the game, over and over again. This game is horrendously optimized on ALL systems. I went back and played BL2 on console, and 60fps feels so amazing. BL3 struggles to stay at 30fps if you’re doing anything other than standing still.
The story......my god, where to even begin? BL2 was clever, whimsical, and never felt like it was trying to be funny, but still was at times. BL3 feels like they forced the comedic angle at times, and it usually falls flat. There are some times I LOL’d, but more times than not, I cringed.
The message from the devs is clear. There is only one male playable character and he is by far the weakest. Every single male NPC is either a weakling or an idiot. Vaughn is a delusional idiot. Troy is referred to as a leech, being dominated by his sister. Hammerlock and Jakobs are gay.....why? They couldn’t have been best friends, or grew up together? Hammerlock is afraid of his sister. Rhys is an insecure weakling who for some reason is CEO of a weapons corporation. Katagawa Jr is also gay, and a psychopath who murders his whole family.
The most obnoxious character in the game, Ava.....who gets fan favorite (my personal all time fave vault hunter, Maya) killed.....is suddenly a hero for doing absolutely nothing?
I’m completely fine with the more inclusive angle. However, I don’t think its beneficial or healthy for the pendulum to swing back entirely the other direction.
The story ends with Lilith, Tannis, and Ava pondering what to do. Whichever vault hunter you were....despite just saving the universe....are completely left out of the ending. That ending credits song was one of the most cringey moments in gaming history for me. And I LOVE Lilith.....she was my fave from BL1.
There are just so many mis-steps here. I hope the DLC rescues the situation, but I doubt it. On top of that, Gearbox is in denial. The head writer on podcast, when confronted about universal hate for Ava....made the claim that only players who do Ava’s “side questS” will like the character. There is only ONE side quest, and its terrible, rehashing an area we just completed, while listening to her groan. Then he said Ava will be featured heavily in DLC. I hope she turns bad and is final boss so we can shoot her in the face.
Yeah. I feel all of this... I started as a Zane and got him to 50 right away... Then I quit playing him because his skills didn't work. He just sits there now while I play as Iron Bear, the other male vault hunter.
I've heard no one talk about the final boss battle. I beat tyreen in one try, on normal mode, without being even bear max level. I still had tons of side quests to do, and I beat her with ease. This was the greatest disappointment in the game. Plus, most of the legendaries are trash. I use 2 legendaries in my current loadout, a class mod, and a relic. All of the other legendaries I've found suck total ass.
I enjoyed it for 2 weeks great story lots of orange drops it was an explosion of dopamine . Then they patched it and I barely found any thx I just beat a boss on mayhem 2 and got one purple it’s not worth playing the story again for one purple
They needed a better end game
borderlands 3 has fun gameplay but really dumb story, I stopped listening to the dialogue after a while.
I agree about loot system, orange weapons are nothing really special anymore. I have like 15 keys from shift codes and I don't even bother to open chest cause my safe is full of "raredrop". And it's only second run in TVH mode after finishing main story.
I had Borderlands 3 on release so I remember that game had some issues with optimalizations. But after 2 or 3 patches I completely forgot about. Nowadays when most major developers fucks with gamers and rip them on every step I really wasn't that much concern when the game turn out to be an old school gaming jewel. It's just shooting game, that's it! I feel like I'm playing game from early 2000's and in a good way. No microtransations, no buyable skins, lootboxes or any of that nonsense
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Wow you put into words what I was feeling so well. I actually enjoyed this game despite the weird story, but I just wanted to throw away every gun I found because I got sick of testing them all out. Also wish there was an auto junk button so I could shift through my loot faster.
I would be really interested to see if a mod comes out on PC to fix this, I would definitely try the game again if so
I have legitamately found a blue assault riffle that did more damage (per bullet) than a Legendary Jackobs sniper, what the actual dick
i get what you mean but i still think theres quite s considersble amount of blue rarity uniques in BL2 that were better than either most or all the legendaries
Personally, loot system is fine with me, Borderlands 2 loot drop rates were abysmal and, most aggravatingly, pointlessly bad. And from the Legendaries I did get in my own BL3 playthrough, (I'll admit, I think I got way more than the game should be giving out.) I would not say they all felt the same or meh. Although on another point, I agree that Jakobs revolvers were way, way too powerful for the most part. In almost every situation and rarity.
P.S, the story is absolute dogshit and I will likely never play the game again due to it. Sad, since the mechanics of the game are stellar. The story just ruins it that badly for me.
As someone who's spent less than 10 hours with the game I'm enjoying the loot system, my problem with previous borderlands games was that my friend would farm for hours and then have gear that way outclassed mine making me a spectator to pretty much every fight. However in this game I use the compare feature so often that it feels like it should be included rather than the old games where it was just kind of neat. The system does get annoying though when I have 2 guns with similar stats but one has say...better accuracy while the other has a bigger magazine so I test both but I can see the flaws in it. I'll probably update this comment after some more time spent with the game.
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I haven't tried BL3 (or Presequel) as I felt I was having too much difficulty with the loot system in 2 that I stopped playing halfway through New Game+ with my main and then halfway through the regular game with a second character. The problems you mention in 3 with the loot system I noticed in 2. I'd go levels between finding upgrades of what I had. Heck I remember being happy when I hit level 35 as it meant I could buy level 35 loot from the DLC vending machines, which was all better than the level 29-32 equipment I'd found (a blue level 29 pistol with 3000% damage on it was still my best weapon even when I stopped around level 45). I had other issues with BL2, mostly that it felt far grindier than the first BL and I really was tired of fighting Hyperion long before beating the game.
That second half really put it into words I couldnt
I stopped playing when they started to treat it as a live service game with the updates.
They nerfed everything! Not to mention a lot of skills not even working. It was a meh game. This is coming from a huge fan of the first two.
yeah I dropped out when they tried to force a different playstyle on my Moze nerfing the stuff I enjoyed
I started with flak and he got nerfs at every damn patch it seemed lol.
jimmy climer your lucky you got to experience how strong he was.
I started with Zane. A lot of his skills don’t even work. Got to lvl like 30 with him then switched to Fl4k.
Yeah I had to stop after playing the story..... I fucking hate the story in this game. I'm not gonna play a game where I need to do the story multiple times, if the story is poopoo 💩
Those live service updates you hate have mostly fixed balance issues and broken skills, along with a bunch of other stuff. The second game got balanced to nerf op builds too.
Most of the best guns in borderlands 2 were blue unique weapons. So color never was a great indicator of power, even in the old games
100% agree about the loot system. I waited for the Steam release, so I'm just getting around to playing B3, and the "loot glut" has kinda ruined the game for me. It feels like work figuring out which of 12 million weapons dropped is the good one.
They gotta do the opposite of what they did in 2015 to bl2 and pre sequel with loot chances being increased at that time for legendary specific loot drop chances. They have to nerf it which is harder to do.
Fuck the number system. There's no excuse for them to not understand their own loot.
Considering Civ VI just got a Battle Royale mode I wouldn't hold my breathe on Borderlands 3 not jumping on the bandwagon.
Civ v best civ
Weapons in this game seemed off, like the shooting itself was not really enjoyable for some reason. Also, most of the weapons were unusable ( they felt like they did not have a kick to them at all...) and i most often used only one or two types with larger numbers... Also, i prefer to play as a Siren and the main reason is the elemental weapons can be really powerful once you get the skills up. This one did not give me that feeling...
As a longtime BL fan with a squad who played every game together, this game stinks and disappointed us so much to the point of near depression
i have no desire to go back to bl3.....i do desire to continue playing bl2
Worst things:
1) terrible performance hiccups even with good hardware, new drivers, many many setting changes and hints on the internet for all those who had the problem. I don't if they fixed it by now, I have long time since I played this game.
2) something is not appealing to me with the story or the main bad guys. Don't know what. There are some nice moments later with the story of the Jacobs corpororation, meeting the first vault hunter, maybe some alien lore.
Other wise the gameplay is similarly good, I do like the slide and climbing, someone did something really good with the sound design (I don't know why the gun sounds are so great and diverse, I will sometimes play with an average weapon just because of how it sounds), didn't notice the problem you did with loot imbalance. More nostalgic for BL2 and even BL1, after few sequels every game feels the same, like they milk what's left of it (and thankfully BL3 wasn't that bad, but it's something we've seen so far and couldn't in my opinion beat the epicness of BL2)
I think the story was kinda unfocused, but the rest of the game was excellent
I realise this is an old video, but i thought i would point out that i think gearbox's goal was to hit a middle ground between the loot systems of borderlands 1 and 2
Too bad Gearbox completely missed the mark. All what Gearbox needed to do was fix BL2's broken loot system and just add some polish to BL2's UI then it would of been perfect, or close to perfection.
Yeah, agreed. I dont think itd have been quite that simple but i definitely think the current system leaves a lot to be desired
believe it or not, borderlands started development as one of those brown bland games from that era. It got pretty far along in development before it was changed to a cell shaded colorful bonanza.
it's funny you mentioned the loot power score system copying Destiny.... as most Destiny players will tell you the score rating system and stats on the weapons can't always be trusted, there is more going on under the hood the player isn't allowed to see.... so the method of trying out every weapon and perk is the only way to know for sure... I mean that from a Destiny Player viewpoint
The combat made me hard but the story made me soft lol
I still think Borderlands 1 had the best loot system and the minimalist story helped it imo, but man did they refine that combat to a T in BL3
I don't know, I beat Borderlands 3's main campaign ... and it felt allot shorter then Borderland 2's campaign, or The Pre-Sequel's for that matter. Which disappointed me.
The thing I hate in Borderlands 2, going back to it, is that EVERY weapon has a insane SWAY ... as soon as you look through the scope the character has a SWAY like a cows tail. It is totally unfun to shoot stuff like that, Borderlands 2 doesn't have that ... but it has other problems.
From a gameplay perspective, this game is excellent, but for a few kinks. (Which EVERY game has) The story and characters...*shudder*
when too much loot is a problem lol, they drop a shitload because unlike other games, they have so much of it that they dont need to portion it out, just go ham, cant really say thats broken, just means you get more awesome gear more often
that was a powerful closing sentence :D
Nobody has mentioned this, but gather enough eridium and if you dont care about legendaries, have fun making guns spawn everywhere with the gun that shoots guns
Green and white are both trash that are really just there so you have a starting weapon and to sell in the early game for money. Your scale is a bit off and I'd knock about half that green bar off. Blue, Purple, and Orange is spot on though. I have yet to find a green weapon that can compete with any of the top three tiers unless it was several levels higher.
The issue with the "score" is that it factors in so much that isn't useful. Higher scores usually mean more modifiers, in addition to pretty much factoring in every stat into one score.
The issue is that it includes a lot of useless noise. Some guns only have buffs that are only useful for specific characters with specific builds, or include useless stats that don't really impact the performance of a weapon with a particular character's buffs.
A high score has nothing to do with DPS, though that does seem to be factored in, it's the total amount of everything that it does. Even if much if it is completely useless and has no relevant impact on your character and/or build.
You're certainly not wrong, but I disagree that it's a problem. Maybe it's just the burnout from the Destiny 2 grind but I've really appreciated the increase in Legendary loot and playing guns I enjoy rather than constantly chasing something better. To each their own.
8:07 amazing flick shot, holy crap!
Algorithm engagement. Wedding date not yet set.
that... is unexpected.
8:30 and this is why im tired of bungie fanboys excusing bungies idea to give legendaries a shelf life on the power cap because "other mmos retire loot".
A weapon cant be determined in a looter shooter by a power gear score as they function differently than stat sticks.
ID never eroded in my opinion. They were never that great except in their ability to develop new game engine tech.
it did the opposite for me, it made it impossible to go back to Borderlands 2. the shooting is Destiny 2 level tight, i just can't go back
It's alright bro don't beat yourself up
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Why would Anthony Burch being gone be considered a bad thing?
It's worse than that. It makes me hungry for the older borderlands game, but also makes me bored of their gameplay. I miss the cool loot, and interesting story. This game is all gameplay and end game content. I honestly don't recommend playing the story if you can go straight to the dungeon delves with friends.
Borderlands 2 best one in my op
I still haven't completed the game but I have difficulties finding the same problems you find with the game, except for the scoring system not being reliable.
1) Drops were increased, yes, BUT drop rates in B2 and BTpS could be very stingy in solo play UNLESS you activated the "offline" option in the main menu (network settings) and did only the quests that were on your level to improve the drop rates of high quality items. That way you could have good gear that was on your level. If anything the biggest problem with the weapon levels in B2, was how massive the gap in stats between 2 of the same type of weapons was, even if they had only 1 level of difference between the two.
2) Complaining about having to tests weapons to see if they work with your play-style (being that it is a good piece of for build) it's like you were complaining of needing to play the game in order to beat. Testing gear to see if it fits the build you are making is kind of the main thing you do in a game that relies on randomly generated loot.
3) I must disagree with your take in the story. Anthony Burch filled the dialogues with an excessive amount of jokes placed at inappropriate moments that made them feel forced half the time. The whole dystopian future setting sort of justified how ridiculous can many things be, but the many inconsistencies in tone had you tracking a guy for Marcus just because he gave him 9 $ extra bucks, right after the death of a main character ( which was also a very stupid cutscenes similar to the one you criticized in your spiderman video). The world building was still there, but it was buried under a mountain of the previously mentioned jokes and dialogues. In BF3 case, the world building seem to have been more properly integrated into the main plot and the side quests, and the fact that your enemies have tons of young people (possibly Pandora's millennials) led by a pair of sociopathic millennials more or less influenced by guys like Handsome Jack and the previous generation of vault hunters, which leads me to my next point (albeit more aimed at the general public rather than you)
5) Vault hunters are immoral killing machines that are used by corporations and powerful people to influence people, groups, areas or even planets. They can look heroic at times, but most times, they are murdering absurd amounts of people just because they are getting paid for it, or simply to steal better pieces of gear. Almost all of their engagements are morally muddy at best (given that those soldiers and workers you are killing were simply doing their job.
To be fair, Borderlands 2 was so stingy with decent loot it wasn't even funny. Crawmerax set the standart in "lootsplosions" for my brother and me, so when Terramorphus didn't even drop enough to buy back the ammo used to kill him, we were more than just a little disappointed.
personally, the 'traditional' Diablo style loot + levels actually frustrates me far more than it entertains me. there's cool stuff and i can try mixing this and that to do wacky things except.... none of that will matter for the first like 50,60,100,200 hours of play.
so to me it means i have potentially 100+ hrs of CHORES to do by filling some lame uninteresting XP bar before i can finally get to the fun part of the game.
so i then finally reach the 'level cap', and now i can start trying wacky gear because it'll actually matter whether i try something wacky now, largely because it won't suddenly become irrelevant 5hrs from now.
that doesn't mean that i can't enjoy narrative at the start though, and then in these games the narrative is what carries the game for me for the first __ hours.
so in short, for these types of games, to me frankly the loot aspect is one of the most boring things imaginable right up until i hit that 'level cap' and then that part can become fun and i'm excited to try weird things.
i guess i'm kinda just saying that i hate XP bars and i definitely do. in 99% of games, XP bars feel like a way overused, tired old holdover from the 90's that most games use as a time filler to make it take longer for you to play the game. so few games make XP bars feel interesting and natural, the rest use them as chores.
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No. you werent wrong at all.
and its far worse than you ever thought it would be.
Couldnt disagree harder with every single point before you get to the loot section
Not really. Not having Microtransactions or bloat automatically makes the game better than expected
@@FraserSouris except the game dpes have microtransactions and a shit load of bloat 🌚🌚🌚
Your comments on weapon rarity being useless as an indicator of quality are really surprising to me. I played hundreds of hours of the other games, and that was always my understanding of the system- this sucks, but it doesn't seem new.
even in BL2 rarity has only little to do with how good a gun is. Sure, higher rarity guns gain a small damage and magazine size boost, but nothing out of the ordinary.
The part system in BL2 pushes even white guns with good barrels, stocks, or grips above blue or purple guns with bad parts. BL2's item rarity in fact is a randomly generated part and has nothing to do with the rest of the gun (Although some parts will only appear on green or higher rarity guns).
Contrasted with BL1, the part combination as a whole gives a gun its rarity. Purple guns flat-out have better parts than blue ones. There are even two tiers of legendaries: ones with bad parts (light orange) and ones with good parts (dark orange).
Honestly Anthony Burch gone is a plus for me, I hated his/her/it's/their writing, ReSPeCtT WAMen, and everybody being bisexual, gay and shit I couldn't roll my eyes more into my skull 🙄
in BL3 it was my third playthrou before i got my first orange. if theres better chance to get it in bl3 i will probably be happier
Not quite true, you do need to field test every *type* of gun, but once you do any weapon with the same base name handles the same way in regards to things like projectile speed and other unlisted statistics. And we've had to test unique weapon effects to see if they fit with our build since Borderlands 1
you're definitely more astute to see all the aesthetic value in these games, because all I see is just another mindless shooter
this is whole genre-level wrong
not applicable in so many games
solid 1 magic tier is often much stronger than last tier drop of wrong stats
often highest tier is the amount of stats, not their power and swordsman doesn't need +10 magic + 10 pets + 10 cooking + 20 hopusecleaning on their sword. it's legendary but it's useless
Unfortunately this made my 2019 most dissapointing game. It had so much potential but imo suffered from an even more aggrivating industry trend these days: playing it safe. Everything is easier to do D:
In the comments people are acting like the game is awful but it’s actually pretty good compared to most other recent games.
I don't know why this game even exists.
It adds nothings substantial and is just a rehash of the former games.
I got bored extremely quickly and in hindsight it would have sufficed to play one of the older games again to scratch the itch.
New Vault Hunters with multiple action skills and bigger skill trees, leaving a lot of room to play around with builds. Zane can have 2 skills at once, Amara can play a variety of roles based purely on action skill, Moze has 6 different action skill weapons to choose from, Flakk has 3 different pets.
The core gunplay is much smoother than prior games, default movement speed is increased and driving actually feels somewhat good instead of like a poorly handling chore.
Being able to fast travel at any time without needing to use a station makes getting around much less tedious than prior games. Overall movement is dramatically improved.
Cooperation setting allowing instanced loot is a great idea, as is making it optional.
BL3 has problems but so does any game. Most people consider the removal of slag to be a huge improvement over 2, without the floaty nature of the pre sequel being a further point in 3's favor.
2 had years worth of extra content to make it the game people love. 3 hasn't had the time for that to be added yet.
They could just keep adding content to 2 but making a new game allows a fresh start for the new content to be its own without riding the coattails of 2 or conflicting with it in terms of adding new mechanics.
This may be the case but I just have no interest in playing another character or a single character to a high level because the core experience is exactly the same as in the previous games. It just feels tedious at some point.
Would have been nice to add a new game mechanic or two. The world feels more like a hose too, for my taste it should be more open and interesting.
I don't play coop though. While playing with friends everything is more fun. But none of my friends plays this game and I don't want to play with strangers.
@@poppers7317 "add a new game mechanic or two" kind of like sliding and mantling right?
@@xarachne8473 maybe, maybe not, who knows. They should just add something that makes it an experience different enough from the previous games, so that it feels more unique in the series.
It also could be something that replaces something else. Or a unique way to make the player character stronger/more interesting.
The first game had weapon types that got better the more often they got used. The second game got rid of that and introduced achievements instead that additionally let you improve your character. That at least was something different.
@@poppers7317 most borderlands fans just wanted more borderlands